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| 00:56.03 | Dybra^_^ | Hello |
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| 01:47.40 | crazyNeo | hello |
| 01:47.52 | sumanah | hi crazyNeo |
| 01:47.57 | crazyNeo | can some one clarify a point in |
| 01:47.58 | crazyNeo | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#4._Who_is_not_eligible_to_participate_as |
| 01:48.13 | crazyNeo | Google employees, interns, contractors, or family members thereof; or residents and/o ... |
| 01:48.14 | sumanah | go ahead and ask crazyNeo |
| 01:48.21 | crazyNeo | are note allowed to participate |
| 01:48.33 | crazyNeo | by interns do you mean google interns or all interns |
| 01:48.53 | summatusmentis | Google interns |
| 01:49.02 | crazyNeo | thanks |
| 01:49.09 | crazyNeo | thanks very much |
| 01:49.15 | crazyNeo | bye sumanah |
| 01:49.17 | summatusmentis | the commas mean Google employees, Google interns, Google contractors, or their families |
| 01:49.25 | summatusmentis | crazyNeo: but! |
| 01:49.43 | summatusmentis | they also expect, generally, for you to be working on GSoC full time |
| 01:49.55 | crazyNeo | ok |
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| 01:50.03 | crazyNeo | thanks |
| 01:50.09 | crazyNeo | bye |
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| 02:56.29 | edsiper | spam in melange :/ |
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| 02:58.25 | edsiper | oh, no spam, just a really really bad student application :/ |
| 02:58.29 | sumanah | :( |
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| 04:16.54 | mithro | did we end up being able to tag student applications? |
| 04:19.31 | ojwb | mithro: the org admin can add arbitrary columns, so you could add one for tags |
| 04:19.57 | ojwb | though melange won't really do anything special with it |
| 04:20.12 | mithro | ojwb, thanks! that is exactly what I wanted |
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| 06:29.43 | lynnug | Hi ,i'm applying to gsoc wrote up my idea , emailed to the mentor , got no reply ,emailed the organization , no reply , does that mean they not interested in my idea? |
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| 06:32.46 | |Kev| | lynnug: Impossible to tell. |
| 06:33.05 | |Kev| | There's any number of reasons they might not reply. |
| 06:34.01 | hiker | How much time did you give them? And did you try irc (if they have a channel?) |
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| 06:36.41 | lynnug | iKev| : sigh , already got round to installing necessary software and doing the actual project,not even sure if im doing the right thing |
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| 06:37.16 | lynnug | hiker : well it been 3 days ,theres no irc chat |
| 06:37.55 | hiker | That indeed appears a bit long - they might just be swamped, certainly worth trying an email again |
| 06:38.09 | hiker | Otherwise put the application in, you can still edit it |
| 06:38.35 | hiker | And mention that you don't get any response, perhaps they will notice this (in case that somethng went wrong with the email) |
| 06:40.00 | brlcad | students fyi, we've added even more projects to our ideas page at BRL-CAD: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas |
| 06:41.02 | brlcad | in particular, haven't gotten a whole lot of interest for STEP geometry support if anyone is interested |
| 06:42.00 | lynnug | hiker : thanks , will put my application in ,sadly it will take too long for me to write up a proposal for another project |
| 06:42.01 | brlcad | we intend to allocate at least one slot to each of our three major areas of development, assuming qualified applicants with good proposals and enough total org slots |
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| 06:42.55 | dberkholz | man, we are dying on apps this year. |
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| 06:45.11 | mithro | hey brlcad! |
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| 06:47.03 | hiker | lynnug: Yes, I can see that. Also try to email them (perhaps from a different email address, in case that it got caught by a spam filter). I know we are getting many applications and questions, and it could just happen that an email is lost or forgotten, moved by accident in the 'done' folder, .. |
| 06:48.00 | lynnug | hiker :that too could have happen, i was using my university email account, |
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| 06:48.47 | hiker | If they have an email list, there should be an archive of emails, check if your email got through. You also might need to subscribe before you can post |
| 06:49.47 | meem | brlcad: That actually looks very interesting. I am certainly going to look into that more tomorrow. Thanks for mentioning that. |
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| 07:02.33 | brlcad | meem: you're welcome, look forward to seeing what you come up with |
| 07:03.37 | brlcad | we have links to even more pages of ideas, e.g., http://brlcad.org/~sean/ideas.html but some of them beg for discussion (some are far too complex for GSoC, some already completed) |
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| 07:43.52 | wooo | Hello guys I have made my proposal in Word format by making proper formatting, but when I am pasting my proposal to submit proposal page, all my formatting are just lost. Is there any way to retain them or I have to start formatting again according to given format? |
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| 07:46.33 | perepujal | wooo: not sure, maybe export first to html? |
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| 07:49.10 | tomprince | wooo: Yiu ndon't need much, if any formatting. |
| 07:50.04 | tomprince | Lots(most?) of foss types are used to reading plain text. |
| 07:50.46 | wooo | tomprince: My all formatting are just lost, also there are limted font type available in given page.:/ |
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| 07:52.27 | pratnala | content is more important than formatting ;) |
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| 08:38.31 | hari_om | how to include pictures in my gsoc proposal |
| 08:39.04 | hari_om | when ever i include pictures by insert picture option , no picture appears Just a blank pic. |
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| 08:40.13 | dhaun | can't check (not a student) but I've heard that it doesn't seem to work for some people |
| 08:40.18 | dhaun | Have you considered hosting the images elsewhere and just linking to them from your proposal? |
| 08:40.42 | hari_om | yes is did |
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| 08:40.50 | hari_om | i hosted the images on my gdrive |
| 08:41.15 | hari_om | made them visibel for everyone and then included the link |
| 08:41.18 | dhaun | problem solved then :) |
| 08:41.19 | hari_om | but it isn't working |
| 08:41.54 | hari_om | just a blank pic template shows up |
| 08:41.55 | hari_om | pic is not inserted |
| 08:41.58 | hari_om | :( |
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| 08:42.22 | dhaun | I meant just putting a link there, not trying to embed them |
| 08:42.34 | dhaun | you would still have to click on the link, obviously |
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| 08:44.32 | hari_om | I want to include pics as it is inserted in .doc or .pdf |
| 08:44.44 | hari_om | Is it not possible |
| 08:44.46 | hari_om | ?? |
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| 08:45.34 | pratnala | hari_om: It is possible to insert images |
| 08:45.57 | pratnala | in the text box, click on the tree next to the html icon in the second row |
| 08:46.18 | olly | I think you need to host the images elsewhere though |
| 08:46.55 | olly | hari_om: oh, someone else was saying it didn't work for them with google drive |
| 08:47.01 | pratnala | ah yes correct. u can host it on imgur.com |
| 08:47.02 | olly | I suspect it must check referer |
| 08:47.44 | hari_om | will dropbox will do |
| 08:47.46 | hari_om | ?? |
| 08:48.01 | olly | try it and see? |
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| 09:11.14 | budili | Hello, it is possible to upload local picture to Google Melange (for the proposal)? |
| 09:12.49 | d33tah | does the proposal need to have a specified verifiable task stated, or can I just apply for " |
| 09:12.56 | d33tah | "massive bugfixing" or smth? |
| 09:13.13 | d33tah | are there some other rules on what I can't apply for, apart from docs? |
| 09:14.13 | dhaun | d33tah: are you trying to come up with an idea of your own? why not pick one from the org's ideas list? |
| 09:15.22 | d33tah | hm, dhaun, the projects I am interested in don't really have much of ideas lists, rather some "we need general improvement" texts. |
| 09:16.11 | dhaun | that's odd - a good ideas list is a top priority for being accepted into GSoC in the first place |
| 09:16.21 | pratnala | budili: No you have to host it elsewhere and put its link in Melange |
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| 09:19.29 | daimrod | d33tah: I think that you should talk with the organisation/your mentor and define clear goals, otherwise they won't know how to evaluate your work (for the midterm and final evaluations) e.g. you decide on which part you would like to focus. |
| 09:20.29 | d33tah | dhaun: well, the organisation seems to have a good ideas list, but the organisation is an umbrella and the particular project's demands aren't clearly listed |
| 09:20.39 | d33tah | well, i tried to conctact their mailing list, no reply yet. |
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| 09:23.14 | dhaun | ah, okay - then I'd try and come up with a list of clear goals; as daimrod said - there need to be ways to verify where you stand during the course of the summer |
| 09:23.31 | d33tah | okay. |
| 09:24.10 | sreepriya | hello |
| 09:24.34 | sreepriya | can I edit my proposal once I click the submit button ? |
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| 09:25.04 | dhaun | sreepriya: yes, until the deadline |
| 09:25.46 | sreepriya | ok |
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| 09:27.59 | budili | pratnala: ah okay, thx |
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| 09:33.58 | d33tah | hm. can I start a completely new project as a gsoc's proposal under the organisation's umbrella? |
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| 09:38.48 | olly | d33tah: probably not in practice |
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| 09:43.52 | d33tah | okay, I see. I know I can send more than one application (max 20 as written in faq), can I send more than one application to a particular organisation? |
| 09:45.05 | pratnala1 | max is 5 this year |
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| 09:45.17 | d33tah | where is that from? |
| 09:45.28 | pratnala1 | saw in the mailing list |
| 09:45.34 | d33tah | of google? |
| 09:45.36 | pratnala | yes |
| 09:46.00 | d33tah | alright, I guess I should believe you then. probably better for me, I guess i'd try to write all 20 and end up with all them being sucky anyway. |
| 09:46.30 | pratnala | yeah less is better |
| 09:46.35 | pratnala | quality >>> quantity |
| 09:46.58 | d33tah | heard it a thousand times. |
| 09:47.04 | pratnala | hehe |
| 09:48.27 | dhaun | the limit is 5 this year, btw http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#6._Can_a_student_submit_more_than_one |
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| 09:50.53 | d33tah | 01:23:08 d33tah$ 6. Can a student submit more than one application? |
| 09:50.53 | d33tah | 01:23:10 d33tah$ Yes, each student may submit up to twenty applications. However, only one application will be accepted. We've heard from our mentoring organizations that quality is better than quantity. |
| 09:51.01 | d33tah | they must have updated it recently. |
| 09:51.06 | d33tah | thanks for the warning, dhaun ;) |
| 09:51.16 | perepujal | As a general rule I'd suggest to concentrate on 2 proposals |
| 09:52.24 | olly | d33tah: are you sure you weren't looking at the FAQ from an earlier year? I'm fairly sure it has said 5 for all of 2013 |
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| 09:52.45 | dhaun | it used to be 20 in previous years, but that always struck me as ridiculous and probably resulted in a lot of low quality last-minute proposals |
| 09:53.09 | olly | indeed |
| 09:53.11 | jojva | last minute proposal is plain stupid |
| 09:53.33 | olly | you get the odd one which has clearly been worked on for weeks, but most of dreadful |
| 09:53.40 | olly | *are dreadful |
| 09:53.55 | olly | and even the good ones would do better to submit earlier and get some feedback |
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| 09:54.21 | olly | d33tah: you can send multiple to the same org, but it's probably wise to talk to the org first |
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| 12:13.23 | ab_ | For fellow GSOC 13 applicants: If you would like others to know about your applications, just post the links here.. |
| 12:13.41 | ab_ | This way we all can know about the others a little.. |
| 12:13.47 | d33tah | btw, one thing kinda interests me |
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| 12:14.28 | d33tah | oh, nvm, i just got it. |
| 12:14.30 | derdon | ab_: usually you want especially the devs and mentors of the organizations to know about the application. |
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| 12:15.49 | ab_ | yes.. thats why I said "if you want others to know".. a little sharing doesnt hurt, right? :) |
| 12:16.12 | derdon | it doesn't hurt, right |
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| 12:17.15 | ab_ | derdon: so are you mentor or student? |
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| 12:18.48 | derdon | ab_: I am a student applying for the project "Database of local data" of the organization SunPy under the umbrella of the Python Software Foundation |
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| 13:53.09 | purezen | Hey..! I have two well-formulated applications for GSoC from different organizations.. Although I would prefer one getting accepted over the other.. How do I inform the GSoC of this 'preference'..? |
| 13:53.23 | purezen | Hey..! I have two well-formulated applications for GSoC from different organizations.. Although I would prefer one getting accepted over the other.. How do I inform the GSoC of this 'preference'..? |
| 13:53.35 | gevaerts | Two applications, so two questions? :) |
| 13:53.59 | purezen | gevaerts: Oops.. :-O |
| 13:54.02 | derdon | purezen: you don't. either the organizsations ask you or they don't. |
| 13:54.02 | gevaerts | purezen: I'd suggest mentioning this somewhere either in the proposal or the comments for your preferred application |
| 13:54.14 | gevaerts | derdon: well, you *can* tell them |
| 13:54.38 | derdon | of course, it's possible. but there's no gurantee that it will be respected |
| 13:54.46 | gevaerts | Oh, indeed |
| 13:54.49 | derdon | because there is no official rule about it |
| 13:54.49 | gevaerts | But that's different |
| 13:55.58 | purezen | derdon, gevaerts: Though, people actually might have submitted multiple applications in the past.. |
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| 13:56.10 | purezen | What was the outcome then..? |
| 13:56.57 | gevaerts | purezen: the procedure is that if someone is actually wanted by two organisations, the organisations talk to each other. If they fail to reach an agreement, the google people decide |
| 13:57.01 | gevaerts | That's *all* |
| 13:57.31 | gevaerts | That basically means the organisations have to work out how to decide this |
| 13:57.47 | swook | I think this 'worry' can be addressed when the happy situation arises :) |
| 13:57.59 | swook | It feels a bit premature to worry about this |
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| 13:58.31 | gevaerts | Which means they can ask you (which is awkward, because they aren't supposed to tell you if you're accepted at that stage), or they can decide that one of them has other good proposals while the other one doesn't |
| 13:58.32 | swook | afterall, you don't apply to GSoC or Google, it's to the organisations directly |
| 13:59.24 | purezen | gavaerts: Oh.. well.. I see.. |
| 13:59.25 | gevaerts | So if you want to make sure that they know your preference even if they feel they shouldn't ask you (to avoid revealing information), I'd recommend telling them (or one of them) in a comment |
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| 14:01.06 | purezen | swook: Yeah.. that's right.. though I predict that such a situation might arise.. |
| 14:01.21 | gevaerts | Such situations do arise |
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| 14:01.40 | gevaerts | I'd say every year there are about four or five unresolved cases in the deduplication meeting |
| 14:02.02 | gevaerts | I have no idea how many arise and are resolved between organisations |
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| 14:04.15 | swook | purezen: I admire your confidence |
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| 14:04.18 | purezen | gavaerts: What do you mean by 'unresolved' in that case..? |
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| 14:04.52 | JordiGH | What do you guys do when a student just C&P's something from your ideas page as their submission. |
| 14:05.00 | JordiGH | Help me avoid sending a snarky retort. :-) |
| 14:05.15 | purezen | swook: Yeah..:-D :-D Basically, I just want to be careful about applying.. cause I begun preparing for gsoc way back.. |
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| 14:06.07 | purezen | Though, this is the first time that I'm applying for soc.. |
| 14:06.25 | dhaun | JordiGH: I'd reply with "can you please rephrase this in your own words, so that we see if you have the same understanding of the project that we have" or something like that |
| 14:06.30 | gevaerts | purezen: I mean "the organisations didn't reach an agreement" |
| 14:07.20 | JordiGH | dhaun: I kinda don't even want to bother with a reply. This is an awful way to start, so I can't imagine this student could actually produce anything of value. Do you think I should bother anyways, in case this is a misunderstood genius? |
| 14:07.28 | gevaerts | JordiGH: "We'd like to see a detailed schedule and some details of difficulties you expect", possibly adpated to the bits you find important |
| 14:08.00 | gevaerts | Replying isn't much effort, and yes, it could be someone who just didn't understand the application procedure |
| 14:08.06 | daimrod | JordiGH: it depends, for example my understanding of the GNU template is to copy&paste the text for the Summary section. |
| 14:08.11 | gevaerts | Unlikely, I agree, but replying only takes a minute or so |
| 14:08.27 | dhaun | JordiGH: if the entire proposal is a copy&paste, then I wouldn't bother; if it's only the description of the project and the rest is better, I'd try to push them for rephrasing things |
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| 14:09.11 | purezen | gevaerts: You mean.. they didn't get accepted for soc..? |
| 14:09.51 | swook | purezen: two orgs both want students but a resolution is not made. Unresolved. |
| 14:09.52 | JordiGH | Fine, I'll reply. |
| 14:10.15 | gevaerts | purezen: no. They were marked as "I want this one" by two organisations, and those organisations didn't decide which one should drop the application. If that happens, a decision is made by the google people in the deduplication meeting |
| 14:11.06 | swook | purezen: just out of curiosity, what gives you so much confidence? I have one application and would like to feel more confident about it but know there are other perhaps more talented students out there who have applied for the same idea. |
| 14:11.14 | swook | I don't mean to question your efforts |
| 14:11.33 | swook | just rather curious about how one can be confident about getting a GSoC |
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| 14:12.36 | purezen | swook: No.. it's absolutely fine.. :-) Firstly, I started preparing for soc way back.. like 2 months before the program was announced.. |
| 14:13.27 | Yaspoon | I totally forgot about the program after I first looked at it in feburary. It would have been nice to prepare properly :/ |
| 14:13.29 | purezen | swook: And even right now, I am not that confident.. only this might be my last chance to apply for the program and I want to very careful about directing my efforts.. |
| 14:13.41 | swook | ah |
| 14:13.51 | swook | so it's a matter of focussing on one app more or not? |
| 14:14.21 | swook | in my case I didn't bother looking into a second app because I like my first one and don't think I'd have sufficient time to get a second one ready |
| 14:14.28 | swook | consider the time taken for the current one |
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| 14:15.00 | purezen | swook: Yeah.. seems like that to me.. As I said this is the first time that I am applying.. |
| 14:15.13 | Yaspoon | Is anyone applying for GSoC who won't be on summer holidays? I'll still be at university while this is going on. |
| 14:15.14 | swook | same here |
| 14:15.20 | Yaspoon | Same here. |
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| 14:15.28 | purezen | swook: And it's rather better for you if you can focus on one.. |
| 14:15.58 | purezen | gevaerts: Ok.. and at that point, don't I get to provide some feedback..? |
| 14:16.02 | swook | but it's also more of a gamble |
| 14:16.38 | gevaerts | purezen: you can decide to be here during the meeting, just in case |
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| 14:16.48 | gevaerts | But then I don't know if that helps |
| 14:16.55 | pratnala | holidays started for me yesterday |
| 14:17.04 | purezen | gevaerts: Well.. when's it..? |
| 14:17.22 | gevaerts | purezen: have you looked at the timeline and the faq? Lots of this is in there... |
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| 14:18.35 | purezen | gevaerts: Yep.. though I thought that some 'direct' help would be better..:-) |
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| 14:22.53 | brlcad | mithro: which org? |
| 14:23.38 | purezen | gevaerts: Ok.. so when's the meeting..? |
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| 14:24.13 | gevaerts | !timeline | purezen |
| 14:24.14 | gsocbot | purezen: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 |
| 14:25.10 | gevaerts | Asking too many things that you can easily find yourself isn't going to help your chances |
| 14:25.17 | brlcad | for students those that missed my announcement last "night" and the last time I'll repeat this to the rest, we've added even more projects to our ideas page at BRL-CAD: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas (we're under capacity proposal-wise, so capable students still have a good chance) |
| 14:26.36 | purezen | gevaerts: Ok.. I though you meant some IRC meeting.. |
| 14:26.47 | JordiGH | brlcad: Why do you have to say that the US government doesn't sponsor you? |
| 14:27.16 | gevaerts | purezen: what part of "IRC meeting to resolve any outstanding duplicate accepted students - 19:00 UTC #gsoc (organizations must send a delegate to represent them in this meeting regardless of if they are in a duplicate situation before the meeting.)" is not clear? |
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| 14:28.33 | purezen | gevaerts: Ok.. sorry for that.. I never thought it would be open for me as well.. |
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| 14:29.01 | gevaerts | You can be here |
| 14:29.20 | gevaerts | I don't know if the channel will be muted though, so possibly you won't get to say things |
| 14:29.37 | anth_x | brlcad: we're significantly under capacity, too. a significant drop off from two years ago (the last time we participated), which was itself an even bigger drop off from the year before that. |
| 14:29.48 | gevaerts | But again, that's *only* for those very few that weren't resolved before |
| 14:29.56 | anth_x | i wonder how widespread that is. |
| 14:30.16 | purezen | gevaerts: Ok.. so anything that I should do right now..? Mention the preference in my application..? |
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| 14:30.37 | gevaerts | purezen: I don't know about you, but I find constantly repeating myself to be tedious |
| 14:30.55 | dhaun | anth_x: you're not on the gsoc mentors list then? lots of posts on this there |
| 14:31.15 | anth_x | dhaun: i am, but i'm behind. |
| 14:31.15 | gevaerts | There are lots of posts about fewer applications every year |
| 14:31.29 | anth_x | sorry, i'll catch up now. :-) |
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| 14:31.49 | gevaerts | I'm fairly sure part of that is people forgetting again and again how good students are at submitting late :) |
| 14:31.52 | purezen | gevaerts: Oh well.. thanks there...:-) |
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| 14:33.50 | swook | !numapps |
| 14:33.51 | gsocbot | swook: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals, of which 1212 were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 14:34.02 | rihnapstor | Hi,when filling student details in street address field ,if parenthesis throws errors then what other alternative can I use? for example place name X can be X(west) and X(east) |
| 14:34.10 | swook | that sounds like an increase! |
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| 14:35.01 | rihnapstor | these chars are not supported http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=903 |
| 14:35.34 | gevaerts | rihnapstor: step 1, complain about the address system not handling many addresses well (everyone does that every year), step 2, blame the logisitics company that has such constraints, step 3, assume that "X west" will likely work :) |
| 14:36.57 | rihnapstor | and comma also is not supported ,then how many whitespace indentation should I use ? |
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| 14:38.15 | rihnapstor | gevaerts: |
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| 14:41.13 | gevaerts | rihnapstor: you basically have two choices: travel to the US and shout at people in logistics companies until they realise the world is bigger than just their country, or live with it find workarounds |
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| 14:41.30 | gevaerts | Most people in gsoc have chosen the latter |
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| 14:42.44 | rihnapstor | haha |
| 14:42.46 | rihnapstor | lol |
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| 14:43.46 | gevaerts | Addresses will be printed though, not hand-written, so something like "12 3" should be clearly distinct from "123" |
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| 14:45.23 | rihnapstor | I did just that ,but what about house name which is represented in ' ' ? |
| 14:45.45 | gevaerts | doesn't know |
| 14:45.52 | rihnapstor | ok |
| 14:46.00 | rihnapstor | thanks for help :) Gentlecat |
| 14:46.05 | rihnapstor | gevaerts: |
| 14:46.12 | Gentlecat | ?! |
| 14:46.16 | gevaerts | You could print out the list of restrictions and ask at your local post office :) |
| 14:46.39 | gevaerts | Gentlecat: you have the privilege of being tab-complete-confusable with me :) |
| 14:47.06 | rihnapstor | yeah thanks gevaerts |
| 14:47.19 | rihnapstor | sorry Gentlecat :) mistake |
| 14:47.35 | Gentlecat | gevaerts: ha ha. No problem. :) |
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| 14:49.52 | paultag | !next |
| 14:49.54 | gsocbot | paultag: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
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| 14:51.28 | _Nico | is it a bad idea to submit a proposal without talking to someone from the organization first? |
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| 14:52.49 | dfighter | yes _Nico |
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| 14:54.04 | gevaerts | _Nico: it might not hurt, but then speaking to them first will almost always be better and never be worse |
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| 14:55.41 | _Nico | of course, but there's no mentor listed for the project I'm interested in |
| 14:56.10 | gevaerts | Is there a mailing list or an irc channel? |
| 14:56.16 | _Nico | if I had heard about the program earlier I would have had more time to figure out who to talk to |
| 14:56.28 | gevaerts | Right |
| 14:56.50 | _Nico | but now there's 2 days left, so I'm thinking it may be better to submit a proposal and try to figure out who to talk to in paralell? |
| 14:56.54 | gevaerts | Yes |
| 14:57.02 | gevaerts | That's the best thing to do now I'd say |
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| 14:57.16 | _Nico | great, thanks :) |
| 14:57.26 | gevaerts | Good luck! |
| 14:57.36 | _Nico | thank you! |
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| 14:57.56 | tshen | Submit the proposal as soon as possible. You can modify it later. |
| 14:58.05 | gevaerts | Well, until the deadline, anyway |
| 14:58.44 | tshen | As far as I know, if you set your proposal public, mentors will see it, even before the application deadline. |
| 14:59.17 | dhaun | tshen: mentors will automatically see all the proposals to their org, public or not |
| 14:59.39 | dhaun | tshen: the public option is just what it says - if you want to make it available to others |
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| 15:00.31 | brlcad | JordiGH: I need some context to answer that.... |
| 15:00.39 | JordiGH | brlcad: The link you gave says that. |
| 15:01.18 | brlcad | JordiGH: our open source community exists outside of the US Gov't, they merely participate like anyone else (and happen to fund their interests as they see fit) |
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| 15:02.35 | brlcad | JordiGH: you mean the disclaimer on the bottom of the page? they are most certainly not involved in any way in the setup, content, or operations of brlcad.org |
| 15:02.48 | JordiGH | brlcad: Who is they? |
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| 15:07.12 | brlcad | JordiGH: they being the U.S. gov't |
| 15:07.24 | JordiGH | brlcad: Why would anyone think that the US government sponsors brlcad? |
| 15:07.35 | brlcad | because they used to |
| 15:07.40 | JordiGH | Ah, I see. |
| 15:07.41 | brlcad | for 15+ years |
| 15:07.58 | brlcad | 1979-2004 |
| 15:08.53 | brlcad | they still support development in a massive way, but aren't involved in open source governance/operations |
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| 16:01.46 | marius1309 | once I submit my proposal to melange can I modify it later ? |
| 16:01.54 | marius1309 | if it's suggested so by the mentor |
| 16:02.15 | JordiGH | Up until the deadline. |
| 16:02.18 | derdon | marius1309: yes, you can often as you want until the deadline |
| 16:02.49 | JordiGH | But even if you talk to your org during the evaluation period and say that you want to go in a different direction, that's probably ok for all but the most rigid orgs. |
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| 16:21.09 | monkegjinni | Is there any chance to edit proposals after submitting? ( or some kind of draft logic etc. ) |
| 16:21.21 | gevaerts | monkegjinni: yes, until the deadline |
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| 16:22.04 | monkegjinni | gevaerts, so I can seamlessly submit, ask for feedback from mentors, than edit as necessary? |
| 16:22.08 | gevaerts | yes |
| 16:22.21 | monkegjinni | thanks |
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| 16:24.26 | rihnapstor | Hi,is it necessary to include Foreign Certification Form along with proposal or may be submitted later any time ? |
| 16:24.54 | dhaun | rihnapstor: all the formal documents only matter once you're accepted |
| 16:26.31 | rihnapstor | ok dhaun |
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| 16:27.42 | rihnapstor | dhaun: and even the proof of university enrolled in ? |
| 16:27.57 | dhaun | yes |
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| 16:28.35 | rihnapstor | ok |
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| 16:36.51 | Akshar | I want to apply for gsoc under scikit image can anyone help me with this? |
| 16:38.24 | pratnala | is scikit image an org? then go to their ideas page and follow their instructions |
| 16:38.59 | Akshar | Thanks. And yes, they are under PSF. |
| 16:39.04 | Akshar | I think |
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| 16:40.55 | intijk | Hi, I finished my student proposal, but I can't find the link to submit it. Could someone tell me how to do this? |
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| 16:42.28 | intijk | The left side option on gsoc page are: Home | My Profile | My Dashboard | About | Event & Timeline | Connect With Us | Search | FAQ | Logout |
| 16:42.33 | dhaun | intijk: go to the page for your org in Melange - it should have a handy link |
| 16:45.05 | intijk | Hmm, interesting , you mean, each org has its own way for submitting proposal? |
| 16:45.35 | dhaun | no, there should be a link to the Melange form from the org's page in Melange |
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| 16:48.17 | dhaun | intijk: e.g. for the PSF, http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2013/python there should be a link just below the photo |
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| 16:50.52 | intijk | Mine says.... | mentors: apply! | Start a Connection | to become mentor for Python Software Foundation. |
| 16:51.30 | pratnala | u would have accidentally registered as a mentor before |
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| 16:51.48 | intijk | ....eh , really? |
| 16:51.56 | pratnala | ask it on #melange |
| 16:51.57 | intijk | How should I correct this? |
| 16:52.19 | intijk | OK |
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| 16:54.11 | dhaun | intijk: there's also a melange-soc-dev Google group, in case you can't get ahold of anyone in #melange |
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| 16:55.45 | intijk | Thank you! |
| 16:56.38 | pratnala | :) |
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| 16:57.42 | intijk | I hope they can fix this for me, if not, I may have to change an email address.... |
| 16:58.10 | pratnala | have u asked there? |
| 16:58.36 | dhaun | they can - they wrote the software after all :) they're just pretty busy these days, so have some patience |
| 16:59.10 | pratnala | crosses his fingers for you |
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| 16:59.45 | intijk | Ah ha, a lot of same requests there already.... |
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| 17:24.40 | vedant_ | hello sumanah. I had to make drastic changes to my proposal https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/vedant/1 |
| 17:24.48 | sumanah | Hi vedant_ |
| 17:25.50 | sumanah | vedant_: Can you summarize the changes you made? |
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| 17:27.11 | Guest83127 | how can project submitted by a single person |
| 17:27.45 | vedant_ | I had addressed all the issues you had pointed out but then I had to delete many portions of my proposal since they were technically incorrect and it was too much to achieve in the short coding phase |
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| 17:28.24 | vedant_ | What ever rewriting I had done, I kept in mind your sugessions |
| 17:28.51 | sumanah | Hi Guest83127 - could you please elaborate on your question? |
| 17:28.52 | vedant_ | I request you to review it again :) |
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| 17:29.15 | sumanah | vedant_: You don't have the words "design" or "accessibility" in your proposal at all. |
| 17:30.21 | vedant_ | I had to remove the GUI parts |
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| 17:31.26 | vedant_ | sumanah now my proposal contains no changes to the GUI. Earlier I had mentioned internationalization in the GUI parts of the implementation |
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| 17:31.54 | sumanah | vedant_: I see. OK. What else did you have to remove? if you summarize that then I am more likely to understand what I should be looking for. |
| 17:32.03 | sumanah | Please keep in mind that I have looked at ~40 proposals since I looked at yours. |
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| 17:33.44 | vedant_ | I had two points related to the GUI in "implementation details" I removed them and their corresponding entries in the "timeline" and "motivation for proposal" |
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| 17:38.39 | sumanah | ok vedant_ looking now |
| 17:39.51 | sumanah | vedant_: personally I think you should say in the proposal that this would be a good foundation for a future GUI |
| 17:40.23 | sumanah | vedant_: "Also, Getting tags from MusicBrainz is hard coded into the Amarok source code" can you find the capitalization error here? |
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| 17:41.28 | neverpanic | btw, is it "hardcoded" or "hard coded"? |
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| 17:42.22 | sumanah | neverpanic: I personally prefer the former |
| 17:42.26 | sumanah | or "hard-coded" |
| 17:42.43 | sumanah | vedant_: "AcousID" or "AcustID"? are these supposed to be the same thing? if so, spell it consistently |
| 17:44.30 | sumanah | vedant_: "For the LastfmTagProvider the track/artist name has to sent to the Last.fm webservice API." I think you mean "has to be sent to" |
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| 17:45.15 | sumanah | vedant_: "I can easily spent about 50 hours a week" spend, not spent |
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| 17:47.30 | sumanah | vedant_: There are other improvements you could make, of course |
| 17:47.37 | sumanah | you could be clearer in your prose |
| 17:48.08 | sumanah | vedant_: you could talk more clearly about what risks might show up (for instance, if the MusicBrainz or Last.fm services break or are unreliable in some other way) |
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| 17:48.19 | sumanah | vedant_: I'm not sure whether you're still here. |
| 17:48.27 | vedant_ | thank you sumanah I'm fixing the issues you are stating |
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| 17:48.54 | vedant_ | don't worry. I am. sumanah I take your suggessions seriously :) |
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| 17:49.49 | sumanah | "After GSoC I plan to become an active developer for Amarok and also for other projects of KDE." Be more specific - are there things you think you want to maintain or fix or make once GSoC is over? If you know, state them |
| 17:49.50 | vedant_ | By the software developer I was suggessted that the existing GUI is apt, and there might be no need to change it at all |
| 17:50.33 | sumanah | vedant_: then saying that would be good |
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| 17:50.55 | sumanah | vedant_: "improve documentation" you say, but specifying what documentation would be even better. |
| 17:51.22 | sumanah | class diagrams/annotations? user-facing manual stuff? walkthrough for future developers? |
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| 17:53.15 | sumanah | vedant_: you still have some areas where you capitalize things that you don't need to (such as "Mid term submission") |
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| 17:54.44 | sumanah | but anyway vedant_ there are more things that you could improve to make your application better -- diagrams, better prose, talking about how long you've taken to do similar projects in the past, risk management, how long you've been an Amarok user, etc. |
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| 18:07.27 | vedant_ | thanks sumanah I will make more changes and get back to you |
| 18:08.10 | sumanah | vedant_: I don't have any more time to help you out, vedant_ |
| 18:08.18 | sumanah | vedant_: I'd like to spend some time helping other people instead |
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| 18:24.36 | carols | hi ravenlock |
| 18:24.43 | ravenlock | might you have a second or two for PM ? |
| 18:25.25 | carols | sure. |
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| 18:43.34 | j4nu5 | !next |
| 18:43.36 | gsocbot | j4nu5: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
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| 18:49.49 | azi` | is there any statistic of successful projects? |
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| 18:50.15 | azi` | by successful I mean projects that were completed in the GSOC |
| 18:50.27 | azi` | or rather projects that were finised by the students |
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| 18:51.10 | gevaerts | azi`: I believe the list on http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2012 only has successfully completed projects, which you can compare with... |
| 18:51.15 | gevaerts | !numapps | azi` |
| 18:51.15 | gsocbot | azi`: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals, of which 1212 were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 18:52.10 | azi` | thanks.. also interesting.. can it (theoretically) happen that a mentor fakes "success" over the project |
| 18:52.16 | azi` | in order to acquire a higher payment? |
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| 18:52.50 | dhaun | azi`: mentors don't get paid :) |
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| 18:53.35 | gevaerts | azi`: in theory you could have mentors colluding with students, yes. In practice, I don't think it can be done |
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| 18:53.56 | DrJoel | any posts from the Google Code In award visit? |
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| 18:54.45 | azi` | dhaun: don't they? |
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| 18:54.55 | azi` | I was sure students get 5k and mentors 5k as well? |
| 18:55.01 | dhaun | nope, the org gets $500 per student |
| 18:55.07 | dhaun | some pass it on to the mentors, some don't |
| 18:55.15 | dhaun | plus, they get the $500 in any case |
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| 18:55.33 | dhaun | i.e. even if the student disappears before the coding period |
| 18:55.40 | azi` | oohh |
| 18:55.50 | azi` | is it fine if I for example give something to the mentor then? |
| 18:55.59 | gevaerts | Why would you do that? |
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| 18:56.20 | derdon | haha, to have a "safe" slot? don't think it'll work |
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| 18:56.46 | sumanah | azi`: do you mean, like a token of appreciation? |
| 18:57.06 | sumanah | azi`: Be careful. In different cultures these kinds of things are viewed in different ways |
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| 18:57.38 | azi` | yes that what I've asked |
| 18:57.43 | azi` | that's why* |
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| 18:57.58 | paultag | there were cases of some flaky behavior before regarding fake mentors applying to orgs and mentoring fake students and taking the money |
| 18:58.02 | derdon | sumanah: I understood it more like "here are $500. is my application accepted now?" |
| 18:58.10 | paultag | as a result, you'll find most orgs opposed to getting stuff from students |
| 18:58.18 | paultag | or outside mentoras |
| 18:58.19 | paultag | mentors* |
| 18:58.24 | azi` | paultag: how did that happen? |
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| 18:58.32 | gevaerts | Well, as a mentor, I'd go as far as accepting a beer |
| 18:58.33 | paultag | azi`: I don't think it's right to get into details |
| 18:58.36 | gevaerts | That's about it though |
| 18:58.41 | azi` | i was meaning more in the sense "the project was successful I got my 5k and I am thanking my mentor by giving him X$" |
| 18:58.44 | paultag | gevaerts: that's about right; and only at the *end* after all is said and done |
| 18:58.54 | sumanah | azi`: the best way to thank your mentor is to help the project thrive |
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| 18:58.59 | paultag | sumanah: I agree |
| 18:59.12 | paultag | azi`: no need to split the cash, that would be looked at in a funny way from the orga |
| 18:59.15 | paultag | in most cases |
| 18:59.19 | sumanah | azi`: think about it with this analogy: if someone hired you, would you then make a monetary gift to the person who hired you? |
| 18:59.32 | azi` | yes u guys are right |
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| 18:59.48 | sumanah | azi`: I can understand you not seeing these things, especially if you have never hired anyone |
| 18:59.59 | azi` | indeed |
| 19:00.08 | gevaerts | paultag: maybe. I might feel insulted if someone somewhere thinks one beer would be enough to bribe me into passing someone though :) |
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| 19:00.14 | paultag | gevaerts: truth :) |
| 19:00.35 | paultag | I'd get a bit skeeved if one of my org's mentors took money, it'd look like they may have taken money in exchange for passing |
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| 19:00.38 | paultag | even if that wasn't the case |
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| 19:01.07 | schumaml | I ask our mentors if they want the $500 the orgs gets per project, but that's it |
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| 19:01.31 | schumaml | some of them needs it sometimes, but are afraid to ask |
| 19:01.48 | gevaerts | Yes, I can see some possible social pressure there |
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| 19:02.05 | paultag | yeah; aye. In Debian, it's almost always gone to the DebConf newbies fund, but this year, we're using it for an OPW slot |
| 19:02.29 | paultag | but for Fluxbox, the mentors got the cash |
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| 19:02.45 | paultag | or perhaps it went to the server cost pool thing. Whatever :) |
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| 19:04.00 | sumanah | azi`: as you do more and more work with professionals you will see the various ways people thank each other for help |
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| 19:04.41 | sumanah | azi`: we help each other with projects, we recommend each other for opportunities (book-writing, speeches, jobs, private groups, awards) |
| 19:04.57 | sumanah | azi`: we post blog posts of appreciation and admiration |
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| 19:05.27 | gevaerts | remembers someone sending beer as a gift to a (large) company in the US. One of the bottles opened, so they got a foaming package at the reception. Apparently this was seen as a possible threat :) |
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| 19:09.08 | markholland | git novice here if there is anyone willing to answer a question |
| 19:09.25 | luiscubal | Not particularly experienced myself, but I'll try to answer |
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| 19:10.21 | markholland | the org I'm interested in has all their code on github, in order to start doing some work and make my own commits apart from their system. Do I do a clone or a fork? |
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| 19:10.44 | luiscubal | Well, you'll probably want to start by forking their github repository (though this is not strictly necessary) |
| 19:10.54 | luiscubal | Then clone your own repository to your computer |
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| 19:11.08 | luiscubal | At least that's how I usually do it |
| 19:11.39 | derdon | markholland: the best thing to do is ask the org |
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| 19:12.28 | derdon | markholland: every org might do it differently. maybe their documentation has something like a developer's guide (or a "how to contribute" section) which explains how to work on the project |
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| 19:13.03 | markholland | derdon: Ok, I will ask the org but check again for any documentation first |
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| 19:13.20 | markholland | derdon: thanks for the help |
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| 19:14.48 | derdon | markholland: you're welcome |
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| 19:15.58 | vedant_ | sumanah: I understand. You have helped me a lot. Thanks a ton. I will be sure to thank you if my project get's selected :) |
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| 19:16.06 | sumanah | Thanks vedant_! |
| 19:16.12 | sumanah | and you mean "gets", not "get's" |
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| 19:16.29 | vedant_ | haha. yes I mean gets |
| 19:16.52 | vedant_ | I think you have a knack for spotting such minute errors |
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| 19:53.03 | nemo | Agree w/ mailing list comment about application number & quality |
| 19:53.17 | nemo | which is odd, completely different this year in GCI which was of high quality compared to last year |
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| 20:33.35 | DarthCodus | Is it possible to request someone and have the comments on my proposal deleted? |
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| 20:38.10 | carols | DarthCodus: nope |
| 20:39.33 | DarthCodus | carols: But it's a total mess. i accidentally posted half my proposal in the comments, and there's an accidental one by a mentor |
| 20:39.45 | DarthCodus | can i just withdraw it and create a new one? |
| 20:40.03 | carols | DarthCodus: you can withdraw that proposal, yes. |
| 20:40.07 | carols | but you can't delete comments. |
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| 20:40.21 | DarthCodus | carols: Can anybody mind that? |
| 20:40.31 | carols | DarthCodus: i don't know. did you ask your org? |
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| 20:40.56 | DarthCodus | carols: The only response I got was: I wouldn't do it |
| 20:41.06 | carols | DarthCodus: then that's your answer. |
| 20:41.35 | DarthCodus | carols: Ohk. Thanks :) |
| 20:41.36 | gevaerts | DarthCodus: hiding mistakes is not the open source way ;) |
| 20:41.43 | carols | indeed :-) |
| 20:42.07 | DarthCodus | true :p |
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| 20:44.13 | DarthCodus | carols: It's kinda funny, but that comment editor was much easier to work with than the actual proposal editor |
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| 20:45.11 | carols | DarthCodus: submit a patch :-) |
| 20:45.50 | DarthCodus | carols: Wow, I didn't know the framework was open source |
| 20:45.58 | carols | DarthCodus: but of course :-) |
| 20:46.06 | DarthCodus | yeah :) |
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| 21:04.52 | vasc0x | #q |
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| 21:25.08 | unimauro | hi |
| 21:25.33 | carols | hi unimauro |
| 21:26.16 | unimauro | Hi Carols. Nice to meet you. :) |
| 21:26.22 | carols | nice to meet you too :-) |
| 21:27.06 | unimauro | I hope this year also be in GSoC am applying like crazy. |
| 21:27.22 | carols | cool, good luck :-) |
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| 21:27.51 | meflin | quality of the application does mater |
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| 21:29.50 | jojva | hi, do you think about updating the applying form someday ? It's absolutely horrible |
| 21:30.26 | unimauro | meflin, yes is a big problem |
| 21:32.46 | unimauro | jojva the problem is no have a feedback from the organization, well . Go to the apps. |
| 21:33.10 | jojva | unimauro, ?? |
| 21:33.16 | jojva | can you rephrase please ? |
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| 21:35.09 | brett__ | just submitted my proposal. under the section "Why are you applying" I put that money is the main reason but i still love contributing to open source. will the organization see that i was honest and maybe accept me? |
| 21:35.25 | carols | brett__: did you ask them? |
| 21:35.40 | brett__ | carols: no |
| 21:36.01 | carols | brett__: only they know the answer to your question, and only they can choose whether they share that answer with you. |
| 21:36.03 | unimauro | jojva, For example send an email to the prospective mentor and have no response or you just say something cryptic. However, one should always make the best application. |
| 21:36.18 | brett__ | carols: ok |
| 21:36.24 | carols | :-) |
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| 21:44.35 | Skillfulz | Is this the official google summer of code irc? (I can't get the link on the main page to work so I guessed) |
| 21:44.52 | meflin | this is |
| 21:45.07 | meflin | this is not the channel for any specific project involved tho |
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| 21:51.51 | Skillfulz | I'm not sure how I want to present my proposal to the blender foundation to work on the blender game engine. I've been working on my own open source game engine, I've also summited a patch for the blender fbx export script before, and I've also made some commits to another open source project before. Mainly I want to optimize the blender game engine with algorithms like PVS, and I also have ordered the oculus rift dev kit so VR would b |
| 21:52.32 | Skillfulz | I'm new to GSOC and have never made a proposal before. |
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| 21:54.07 | Skillfulz | How high is the bar to get accepted? |
| 21:54.10 | blast007 | Skillfulz: talk to the organization then. :) I think some orgs have a proposal template. |
| 21:54.19 | Skillfulz | oh |
| 21:54.30 | Skillfulz | That's what I need |
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| 21:56.21 | gevaerts | Skillfulz: from what you've said, I'd say you're probably more than qualified enough :) |
| 21:56.30 | gevaerts | Have you read the student guide? |
| 21:56.40 | Skillfulz | in the FAQ? |
| 21:56.47 | gevaerts | !studentguide | Skillfulz |
| 21:56.48 | gsocbot | Skillfulz: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 21:56.50 | gevaerts | That one |
| 21:57.06 | gevaerts | It has lots of helpful stuff in it |
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| 21:57.32 | gevaerts | Including a few example proposals, although I personally think those are a bit on the short side |
| 21:57.33 | Skillfulz | Yeah, I read it but it was a few months ago. I'll give it another read. |
| 21:57.38 | hjpotter92 | !help |
| 21:57.39 | gsocbot | hjpotter92: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 21:58.04 | roonyH | !next |
| 21:58.05 | gsocbot | roonyH: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
| 21:58.09 | hjpotter92 | Where is the list of commands then? |
| 21:58.19 | hjpotter92 | !list |
| 21:58.21 | gsocbot | hjpotter92: Admin, Channel, Config, Factoids, Gsoc, Misc, Owner, Services, and User |
| 21:58.32 | hjpotter92 | !commands |
| 21:58.42 | hjpotter92 | !command |
| 21:58.47 | hjpotter92 | !help command |
| 21:58.49 | gsocbot | hjpotter92: Error: There is no command "command". |
| 21:58.50 | gevaerts | !botabuse | hjpotter92 |
| 21:58.52 | gsocbot | hjpotter92: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> |
| 21:58.54 | hjpotter92 | !help list |
| 21:58.55 | gsocbot | hjpotter92: (list [--private] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins. |
| 21:59.04 | hjpotter92 | ok |
| 21:59.06 | hjpotter92 | :) |
| 22:00.03 | Skillfulz | About the deadline. I've been really busy with final projects for school. Does submitting later reduce my chances of getting selected? |
| 22:00.18 | ojwb | that's up to the org |
| 22:00.30 | ojwb | they're allowed to use whatever criteria they want to select |
| 22:00.32 | gevaerts | Later? |
| 22:00.52 | ojwb | assumes Skillfulz means a day before the deadline vs a week before |
| 22:00.55 | Skillfulz | Do they get the proposals in real time or after the deadline? |
| 22:01.04 | gevaerts | Real time |
| 22:01.10 | gevaerts | I'd recommend talking to them now |
| 22:01.12 | ojwb | the earlier submissions will get more feedback in general, and so have more chance to be improved by the student |
| 22:01.28 | Skillfulz | yeah, I better work fast then |
| 22:01.50 | gevaerts | If you have some previous history with them that might counteract being on the late side to a certain extent |
| 22:02.57 | ojwb | probably the main problem is that the applications flood in towards the end, and the average quality really drops off, so any good ones risk being overlooked |
| 22:03.24 | gevaerts | Well... |
| 22:03.40 | gevaerts | It all depends on how many they get |
| 22:03.47 | ojwb | it does |
| 22:04.28 | gevaerts | I promise that back when I was still doing this stuff, I read all average and better proposals we got very carefully :) |
| 22:05.18 | Skillfulz | It is the blender foundation. I think it would be one of top on the list of organizations. |
| 22:05.24 | gevaerts | Of course, I might have missed some average ones, mistaking them for bad ones, but then the goal was to throw the average ones out, so that's not too much of a real problem |
| 22:05.44 | gevaerts | Also, we didn't get hundreds... |
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| 22:06.31 | Skillfulz | What would be the most eye catching title from what I said about my proposal? |
| 22:06.57 | ojwb | i'd go for accurate rather than eye catching |
| 22:07.02 | ojwb | and not too long |
| 22:07.46 | Skillfulz | Should I speak in first or third person in the title? |
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| 22:08.56 | gevaerts | can't think of many titles that are full enough sentences for that to make a difference |
| 22:08.58 | ojwb | Skillfulz: um, neither I'd suggest |
| 22:09.09 | Skillfulz | like "I want to optimize the Blender Game Engine and add Oculus Rift support." |
| 22:09.21 | ojwb | that's too long |
| 22:09.21 | gevaerts | That's a sentence, not a title :) |
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| 22:09.37 | ojwb | you can lose "I want to" for a start |
| 22:09.45 | ojwb | but it's still rather long |
| 22:09.56 | gevaerts | "Blender Game Engine: optimisation and Oculus Rift support"? |
| 22:09.57 | Skillfulz | "Optimize the Blender Game Engine and add Oculus Rift support." |
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| 22:10.57 | Skillfulz | Yes? |
| 22:11.31 | laurion | Hi |
| 22:11.41 | Skillfulz | I'm going with gecaerts' title then. |
| 22:12.03 | gevaerts | will expect to appear in the Blender credits list then :) |
| 22:12.15 | Skillfulz | lol |
| 22:12.27 | perepujal | Optimize the Game Engine and... Has Blender more than one game engine? |
| 22:12.37 | laurion | i have a question. can we edit our applications after May 3rd? |
| 22:12.56 | Skillfulz | No I want to also add oculus rift support |
| 22:13.02 | gevaerts | laurion: not normally no, but I believe the organisations can grant exceptions |
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| 22:13.55 | laurion | thanks gevaerts |
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| 22:26.07 | barb288 | hey guys, I'm new at GSoc, someone could give me a hand? Is it cool to mail a mentor by his institutional e-mail, considering that the spam filter of the institution cant allow you to send emails to the suggested email? |
| 22:27.22 | gevaerts | barb288: is this email address published on the organisations's melange homepage or on the ideas page? |
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| 22:28.50 | barb288 | no, but the mentor also suggest to take a look at his 'social' profiles, such as github and his academic profile, and there is his email |
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| 22:29.08 | barb288 | btw the org is PSU, as so the mentor is a professor |
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| 22:30.39 | gevaerts | Well, I don't think sending an email can hurt |
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| 22:33.29 | barb288 | hm... thank you! I'll try that.. if my proposal is fine, I don't think any small misbehaviour will be decisive |
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| 22:46.35 | Skillfulz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:47.03 | ojwb | the gsoc form short description appears as a public summary |
| 22:47.04 | ojwb | in melange |
| 22:47.35 | ojwb | you can likely put the same thing, though the melange one should make sense by itself |
| 22:47.40 | ojwb | (many sadly don't) |
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| 22:48.11 | Skillfulz | melange? |
| 22:48.15 | Skillfulz | What? |
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| 22:50.03 | ojwb | google-melange.com |
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| 22:51.01 | Skillfulz | is there a reason they call it melange? |
| 22:51.11 | gevaerts | Yes, apparently |
| 22:51.19 | meflin | the spice |
| 22:51.26 | bbc | mélange ? :) |
| 22:51.27 | gevaerts | It's some sort of reference that I don't get |
| 22:51.30 | ojwb | summer of code = soc = spice of creation (from dune) |
| 22:51.44 | ojwb | apparently |
| 22:51.49 | scorche|sh | the spice must flow! |
| 22:52.06 | carols | hey scorche|sh :-) |
| 22:52.12 | carols | did you get anything in the mail yet? |
| 22:52.14 | scorche|sh | hi! |
| 22:52.25 | carols | awesome. |
| 22:52.52 | derdon | !next |
| 22:52.54 | gsocbot | derdon: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
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| 23:03.37 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 23:03.52 | meflin | tea tea tea |
| 23:03.56 | meflin | zombies over |
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| 23:06.56 | carols | hey meflin :-) |
| 23:07.33 | meflin | hi :) |
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| 23:11.53 | hiker | I need some clarification re student allocation: is my understanding correct that all mentors (and admins) rank, and that the overall rank of a proposal is the average of those rankings? |
| 23:12.19 | laurion | hey carols :) |
| 23:12.25 | carols | hey laurion |
| 23:12.31 | laurion | remember me? |
| 23:12.39 | laurion | i'm Lawrence from Code-in |
| 23:12.43 | laurion | last year |
| 23:12.44 | carols | laurion: cool :-) |
| 23:13.04 | carols | hiker: yes, but that has nothing to do with student allocations. |
| 23:13.12 | laurion | excited to participate in gsoc this year |
| 23:13.12 | hiker | I was coming to that ;) |
| 23:13.35 | hiker | Then admins can accept certain proposal. Google then allocates slots, and the top N proposals are selected? |
| 23:13.42 | carols | laurion: that's great! did you already submit your proposal? |
| 23:13.46 | carols | hiker: nope. |
| 23:13.47 | laurion | it's kind of late though |
| 23:13.58 | paultag | !next |
| 23:14.00 | gsocbot | paultag: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
| 23:14.05 | paultag | laurion: while that's true; you have a few days |
| 23:14.06 | laurion | no, carols, i didn't expect it to be so soon |
| 23:14.09 | hiker | And I thought I had read the melange manual correctly ;) |
| 23:14.12 | carols | hiker: we do not take into account any rankings. only those students you've explicitly accepted. |
| 23:14.29 | carols | laurion: ah, that's funny. :-) everyone's been telling me this year it's too late! |
| 23:14.32 | hiker | OK, so we need to accept between 4 and 6th of May. |
| 23:14.35 | laurion | it's just so many cool projects |
| 23:14.40 | hiker | You then take the top N ranked ones? |
| 23:14.49 | paultag | hiker: rankings aren't everything |
| 23:14.55 | paultag | hiker: you pick manually |
| 23:14.57 | hiker | ... of the accepted proposals? |
| 23:15.16 | carols | hiker: accepted. we take no account for rankings. |
| 23:15.24 | laurion | carols: I had summer in my mind, even though I knew that the applications started sooner |
| 23:15.31 | carols | laurion: ah, i see :-) |
| 23:16.38 | hiker | So can we pick the students after we know how many slots we get? We have the problem that some tasks are connected - and for the (currently) preferred tasks to be accepted, we also need a slot for a related task. If we get only 1 or 2 slots, we have a problem :( |
| 23:16.54 | meflin | you pick your students first |
| 23:17.12 | carols | what merlin said |
| 23:17.15 | carols | meflin |
| 23:17.16 | laurion | good stuff around here |
| 23:17.17 | carols | sigh |
| 23:17.49 | hiker | By setting them to be accepted, then you give us a certain number of slots, then we will have the choice to pick from the accepted list of proposals N (=number of slots)? |
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| 23:17.59 | hiker | Sorry, 1st time org, want to get that right |
| 23:18.19 | carols | hiker: we do not take into account who you've listed as accepted or not to allocate slots. |
| 23:18.36 | carols | hiker: you're welcome to wait to accept students until as late as may 20 if you so choose. |
| 23:18.56 | tomprince | hiker: You don't want the work of one student depending on the work of another, though. |
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| 23:19.46 | hiker | Ah ok, so we would have the whole duplication-resolving time to figure out what to do if we don't get the number of slots we would need |
| 23:20.19 | tomprince | hiker: What happens if the student working on the related task drops out, or isn't able to complete the work? |
| 23:20.27 | hiker | tomprince: not really depend ... the guy came up with a very good idea on his own, which can make use of another proposal, but doesn't need to |
| 23:20.52 | carols | hiker: the duplication resolving period is about 3 days…i wouldn't recommend waiting until we've posted duplicates to accept proposals. in fact, that would be antithetical to the process. |
| 23:21.15 | hiker | he suggested a implementation of networking potentially using a 'rewind' feature (you receive the information that another player has done something) |
| 23:21.30 | hiker | His proposal works without it, but to be really smooth if would be good to have ... |
| 23:21.52 | hiker | if the other student wouldn't finish it, one of us devs will code that after gsoc, the other student's work would not be affected by it |
| 23:22.20 | hiker | carols: right, wrong word - slot allocation trade period then. |
| 23:22.27 | carols | hiker: indeed. |
| 23:22.27 | hiker | We can accept as soon as we know the number of slots |
| 23:22.30 | carols | sure. |
| 23:22.32 | carols | works for me. |
| 23:22.39 | hiker | Great. |
| 23:22.40 | tomprince | So, it shouldn't matter how many slots you get ... |
| 23:22.57 | tomprince | In any case, if you are a first year org, you are most likely to get 1 or 2 slots. |
| 23:23.10 | hiker | tomprince: I know :( |
| 23:23.31 | carols | hiker: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCMentoring/notes-for-first-year-organizations/ |
| 23:23.42 | hiker | I considered falling on my knees and beg for three, but decided that it won't help anyway ;) |
| 23:23.53 | hiker | Yep, I read that |
| 23:24.05 | carols | great :-) |
| 23:24.16 | hiker | That's the page that says 'less than 4' |
| 23:24.22 | hiker | Other pages say 1 or 2 ;) |
| 23:24.31 | meflin | well begging and bribes wont help |
| 23:24.34 | hiker | With 6 mentors I am hoping that the page you quoted might be right ;) |
| 23:24.54 | carols | hiker: it all depends on what other orgs ask for this year. |
| 23:25.02 | hiker | Dang - not even if I dig out a rare special tea for carols |
| 23:25.04 | hiker | ;) |
| 23:25.14 | meflin | I'm already obsessing over slot ask counts |
| 23:26.35 | meflin | for new org I would suggest taking only the stupendous students and getting all the mentors involved |
| 23:27.22 | meflin | hiker: BTDT on the tea ;) no special |
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| 23:28.55 | hiker | meflin: Did it help? ;) |
| 23:29.04 | meflin | he tea? no? |
| 23:29.29 | hiker | scratches tea from his list of bribes ... and looks at a now empty list |
| 23:29.51 | meflin | the hard work on making sure I had the best of the best and students and they did the job? I think perhaps |
| 23:30.30 | meflin | hiker: wrong view .. its not about bribes carols has a very hard job |
| 23:31.14 | carols | yes she does. |
| 23:31.18 | carols | what meflin said |
| 23:31.20 | hiker | I fully understand, and felt really sorry to have to asks those questions |
| 23:31.35 | meflin | good questions |
| 23:31.40 | hiker | But it really wasn't clear after reading the melange manual |
| 23:31.47 | meflin | when I started I wish I had known to ask them |
| 23:32.29 | hiker | We actually have a previous mentor from a different org as mentor for us as org (not for students) ;) He just wasn't around to be asked ;) |
| 23:32.53 | meflin | if my org was cut this year I would still send carols tea |
| 23:33.19 | carols | thanks meflin :-) |
| 23:37.13 | hiker | One other suggestion: while idlining here I have seen very often new students ask if they are good enough since they have no open source experience or so. |
| 23:37.20 | hiker | But I've never seen anyone suggesting to prepare by participating in open source before GSoC - since (imho) this would give them an edge (in terms of skills) next year. |
| 23:37.26 | meflin | there is a faq for that |
| 23:37.38 | hiker | Yes, I know |
| 23:37.48 | hiker | I was suggesting to add this to the faq/bot |
| 23:38.27 | meflin | one of my worst ever student apps was someone back to school with 20 years of exp |
| 23:39.02 | hiker | I basically have to reject around 39 students, and will certainly recommend all of them to do some open source work before next years GSoC - I just think that might be a good suggestion for others as well. |
| 23:39.17 | hiker | meflin:let me guess, he knew already everything best? |
| 23:39.56 | meflin | uh well yea he spent the whole 1-hour irc interview telling the whole team that where wipernapers who didn't no anything |
| 23:39.59 | meflin | I'm his age |
| 23:40.15 | hiker | *grin* |
| 23:40.19 | meflin | and as far as skills I was last and least :\ |
| 23:41.13 | hiker | Whow, that's bad indeed. Worst thing I have seen so far is someone suggesting a 2-week proposal *sigh* There should be blacklist of students somewhere ;) |
| 23:41.38 | meflin | well that was a high water mark ;) |
| 23:42.00 | bbc | hiker: you mean a student proposing t odo the job in 2 weeks? or that had only planned the first 2 weeks? |
| 23:42.18 | meflin | PIK programer with no c/c++ java python perl ... |
| 23:42.20 | hiker | No, he suggested a project which he (and I) would consider to be done in 2 weeks |
| 23:42.24 | bbc | haha |
| 23:42.34 | meflin | project was C |
| 23:42.52 | hiker | At least it was a genuine idea, not entirely spam ;) |
| 23:42.56 | thiago | all projects can be done in 2 weeks. Just ask the Duke Nukem people. |
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| 23:43.44 | meflin | well true bad proposal but it was real |
| 23:43.46 | nurupo | :) |
| 23:43.51 | hiker | His estimation would (for once) match mine - it can easily be done in 2 weeks ;) |
| 23:43.59 | meflin | haven't seen any spam proposabls this year so far |
| 23:44.17 | hiker | I was looking for the 'make $500 as a mentor' with me ;) |
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| 23:44.46 | hiker | Neither have I - I have obviously no experience, but after giving students feedback once or twice I am surprised about the quality (mostly) |
| 23:44.59 | olly | !pre-gsoc | hiker |
| 23:45.00 | gsocbot | hiker: "pre-gsoc" is The best early thing you can do is look at the list of organizations in previous years, pick ones that look interesting to you, and try to get involved as a regular non-gsoc contributor. Try to find something that you're excited about. |
| 23:45.14 | olly | bot knows already... |
| 23:46.01 | olly | hiker: but anyone can add/edit factoids (unless perhaps they've been a nuisance of themselves and been blocked from doing so) |
| 23:46.02 | hiker | This bot is great ;) Good point, I'll remember that command next time I see someone here asking at a time that most experience people are offline |
| 23:46.08 | hiker | olly: Thanks! |
| 23:46.14 | meflin | well I have exp I think the 5 limit vs 20 has helped that alot |
| 23:46.47 | olly | is curious if the number of apps will be down much |
| 23:47.14 | olly | i know the mentor list has a thread, but I recall similar threads in the past and the final numbers were similar or higher |
| 23:47.56 | meflin | I am not in a position to say since I am with a new org ... the quality is way up and the spam is way down overall |
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| 23:48.32 | gary_b | hiker: lots of high quality apps? |
| 23:49.18 | olly | yeah, i'm with a different org too, so hard to compare |
| 23:49.56 | hiker | gary_b: Yes, quite a few - we will have a big fight ahead for us mentors ;) |
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| 23:50.59 | gary_b | i think ive a good proposal brewing, but ive no confidence in my time estimates |
| 23:51.12 | hiker | Those are always difficult |
| 23:51.30 | hiker | Ask the mentors (if you are applying to SuperTuxkart, ask me ;) ) |
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| 23:53.56 | laurion | meflin: i'm curious, what limit are you talking about? |
| 23:54.14 | gary_b | going for mono, ill have to submit the app and let them look into it. My project isnt on the ideas list because its probably too big / not too many mentors interested in it perhaps. |
| 23:54.25 | laurion | lionaneesh: what up!! |
| 23:54.48 | gary_b | ive been working on it in the off season, so hopefully they will be ok with what i propose |
| 23:54.51 | ojwb | laurion: students can submit up to 5 proposals this year |
| 23:54.57 | ojwb | in previous years the limit was 20 |
| 23:55.13 | lionaneesh | laurion: Hey! |
| 23:55.13 | ojwb | which everyone on the org side thought was much too high |
| 23:55.22 | laurion | oh yeah seems legit |
| 23:55.39 | laurion | lionaneesh: good to see your nick again |
| 23:55.48 | laurion | good to see you* |
| 23:55.51 | laurion | :D |
| 23:55.57 | lionaneesh | laurion: LOL! Yeah same here! :) |
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| 23:56.14 | laurion | it's been like over a year |
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| 23:56.20 | lionaneesh | laurion: You participating in GSOC this year? |
| 23:56.37 | laurion | lionaneesh: i am planning to, yeah |
| 23:56.56 | lionaneesh | laurion: Awesome! I am mentoring for Sugarlabs! :) |
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| 23:58.47 | laurion_ | lionaneesh, cool! |