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| 03:04.13 | f2prateek | There isn't any template for the proposal right? As long as I include everything requested here https://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#5._What_should_a_student_proposal_look |
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| 03:09.18 | dfighter | f2prateek organizations provide templates on the proposal page in Melange, usually. |
| 03:09.51 | dfighter | also on their ideas page and whatnot |
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| 06:26.14 | __inside_matter | can anybody tell me what happens if I happen to get selected by multiple organizations? |
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| 06:26.34 | __inside_matter | will I get to choose or will the orgnizations decide among themselves? |
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| 06:38.27 | Stepan777 | __inside_matter: orgs will decide what to do. In 2012 I was selected by two orgs and they asked me |
| 06:39.23 | Stepan777 | i.e. they can ask you or can decide themselves |
| 06:40.01 | Stepan777 | and if they will not then this will be decided on deduplication meeting on this channel |
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| 07:19.28 | __inside_matter | Stepan777: thanks |
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| 07:20.41 | mgetch | Hey guys |
| 07:21.08 | mgetch | I'm an American developer who is just getting into open source programming |
| 07:21.36 | mgetch | and I'm wondering how much experience would you all recommend for gsoc |
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| 07:24.02 | stefanha | mgetch: You should be fluent in the programming language(s) used for your project idea. |
| 07:24.15 | stefanha | mgetch: Interest in open source is important but previous experience is not assumed. |
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| 07:24.28 | stefanha | mgetch: For many students GSoC is the first time they participate in open source. |
| 07:25.52 | mgetch | How fluent is fluent, would I have to read half of "The Art of Computer Science" for my language to be "fluent" |
| 07:27.08 | stefanha | mgetch: It's up to each organization or mentor what level of skill they require, but I suggest choosing a project that matches your skillset. |
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| 07:27.29 | stefanha | mgetch: So if you're experienced with Java, choose a Java project and not a C project. |
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| 07:28.12 | mgetch | Thanks a lot Stefanha, the Simon's Rock Coding Club thanks you |
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| 07:30.55 | kai | mgetch: I actually doubt that even if you knew the art of computer science by heart, you'd be a proficient programmer ;) |
| 07:31.20 | kai | mgetch: in theory, theory and practice are identical. In practice however, there's quite a difference. |
| 07:32.19 | kai | Turns out that when designing algorithms, you don't usually have an input size approaching infinite, so it's not wise to ignore all those pesky constants |
| 07:32.44 | thiago | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.01 | ashmew2 | Is there any open wiki/website where i can post by GSOC application publicly? My project's wiki mostly does not approve of doing it there. |
| 07:33.27 | mgetch | @kai: :p yeah definitely something I learned very quickly when I started tinkering around with my first arduino |
| 07:34.00 | mgetch | @kai: that poor, poor arduino... |
| 07:34.21 | thirdwing | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:35.35 | mgetch | Also I have a friend here who is wondering about how much time is really required for gsoc I figure that the requirement varies by project but can anyone give me a ballpark? |
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| 07:35.54 | kai | mgetch: I'd aim for 40 hours/week |
| 07:36.08 | kai | like a regular full-time job |
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| 07:36.53 | kai | I mean of course there's no way for the mentors to check, but they usually base their estimates on what they expect the student to accomplish on that |
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| 07:39.40 | mgetch | @kai thanks a lot, you've been incredibly helpful. It seems like you're a veteran of the program, so what was your past experience like if you don't mind my asking |
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| 07:40.28 | kai | mgetch: I've participated as a student 2005-2007, and been a mentor and/or org admin the years after |
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| 07:43.12 | mgetch | @Kai I suppose my biggest concern is that I'm relatively amateur, and I'm concerned about being under qualified |
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| 07:44.28 | thirdwing | That's what I concern too |
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| 07:45.12 | stefanha | mgetch: You have nothing to lose by applying. But pick a project that really fits your skillset. |
| 07:45.33 | stefanha | mgetch: GSoC is an opportunity to learn but remember other students are applying for the same project idea. |
| 07:45.41 | stefanha | mgetch: So pick something where you feel you'd be competitive. |
| 07:46.01 | stefanha | mgetch: For example, if you've played with Arduino, check if there are related projects. There you already have experience. |
| 07:47.14 | stefanha | mgetch: You don't need to be Don Knuth but you need to be the mentor's top choice for that project idea :) |
| 07:47.22 | kai | mgetch: I think most first-timers are relatively amateur. |
| 07:47.38 | kai | mgetch: heck, I sure was in 2005 |
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| 07:48.09 | kai | GSoC was my first real programming project outside the university CS course sandbox |
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| 07:49.54 | kai | I thought I knew how C worked because I had worked through a couple of books and written two or three smallish programs with the language |
| 07:50.21 | abc | Hi.. There? |
| 07:50.52 | abc | New to all this.. |
| 07:50.59 | mgetch | That makes me feel a lot better, I was worried that everyone was ahead of the game in addition to being clever. |
| 07:51.16 | abc | How do I communicate to mentors ? |
| 07:51.54 | abc | I guess this IRC is meant for communicating to mentors if I am not wrong ! |
| 07:51.58 | tach | anywho, getch is complaining about needing to use his computer for homework so i'll take over with the questions we have |
| 07:52.10 | stefanha | abc: Check the project ideas page, see if the mentor's contact details are listed. |
| 07:52.22 | stefanha | abc: Otherwise you may find them on the project IRC channel or mailing list. |
| 07:52.31 | abc | Then what is this IRC meant for ? |
| 07:52.34 | stefanha | abc: Not all mentors are on #gsoc, this channel is more about GSoC in general. |
| 07:52.49 | abc | Okk.. Thanks Stefanha ! :) |
| 07:53.06 | abc | Is this only for the ASF organisation ?! |
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| 07:54.32 | tach | all in all how did gsoc go? was it just an onslaught of 'holy what i don't know what i'm doing' and being dragged through or what? |
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| 07:55.07 | stefanha | abc: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2013/apache |
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| 07:55.45 | stefanha | abc: This channel isn't specifically for ASF |
| 07:56.03 | stefanha | abc: I suggest checking their ideas page and getting in contact via their dedicated IRC channel or mailing list. |
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| 07:58.18 | abc | I want to start working on some project.. Know C basics.. Can somehow help me with how to begin ? |
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| 08:02.38 | kai | tach: well, you should expect to learn a lot. but if you pick a project proposal you feel qualified for, it shouldn't be too bad |
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| 08:03.36 | kai | tach: the important part is to learn how to take small steps so you can always look back at a list of things you have accomplished on any given day |
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| 08:04.15 | kai | if one of the steps is "learn how Windows does memory pool management" instead of writing code, that's ok |
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| 08:05.21 | abc | HOW CAN I JOIN THE LIBRE OFFICE IRC CHANNEL PLEASE HELP GUYSS S!!! |
| 08:05.34 | tach | kai: ha, well there's the problem. we don't really feel qualified for much |
| 08:06.02 | tach | but i know that feeling from an internship i had last summer |
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| 08:06.12 | tach | slowly working my way up to competence |
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| 08:08.55 | mgetch | abc: check #LibreOffice |
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| 08:29.36 | kai | but in general, /join #channel |
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| 11:43.14 | Uli- | hey there. |
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| 11:44.18 | GeekShad1w | hello |
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| 11:44.37 | GeekShad1w | is it still possible to submit a project for gsoc ? |
| 11:45.00 | MatthewWilkes | GeekShad1w: Yes |
| 11:45.31 | GeekShad1w | how ? |
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| 11:46.50 | MatthewWilkes | GeekShad1w: http://en.flossmanuals.net/melange/students-students-application-phase/ |
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| 11:49.38 | GeekShad1w | MatthewWilkes: I meant submit a project as an open source project |
| 11:49.42 | GeekShad1w | not student |
| 11:50.01 | MatthewWilkes | GeekShad1w: Oh! |
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| 11:50.14 | MatthewWilkes | GeekShad1w: Of course not, the application deadline for that was weeks ago |
| 11:50.38 | MatthewWilkes | GeekShad1w: You could technically ask an umbrella org, but as the student application deadline is in a few days I doubt you even have time for that now |
| 11:51.35 | GeekShad1w | MatthewWilkes: ok nevermind |
| 11:51.43 | MatthewWilkes | GeekShad1w: Maybe next year |
| 11:52.20 | GeekShad1w | MatthewWilkes: what's the requirements for an open source project ? |
| 11:52.32 | GeekShad1w | (to be in gsoc) |
| 11:53.37 | MatthewWilkes | GeekShad1w: You have to be releasing open source code under a OSS approved licence, and be able to nominate a legal entity to receive payments |
| 11:53.54 | MatthewWilkes | Practically speaking, you need at least a few developers who can act as mentors |
| 11:55.09 | GeekShad1w | MatthewWilkes: well everything's good but legal entity, so I think it would not do for this year |
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| 11:55.49 | GeekShad1w | also why do we receive payments ? |
| 11:56.35 | dfighter | GeekShad1w huh? |
| 11:56.44 | dfighter | are you seriously askin why you will be paid? |
| 11:56.48 | dfighter | asking* |
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| 12:00.14 | sera | dfighter: do you know the answer? |
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| 12:01.02 | dfighter | sera yes... |
| 12:01.14 | GeekShad1w | it's students who are paid, not the project itself right ? |
| 12:01.21 | dfighter | yes GeekShad1w |
| 12:01.32 | dfighter | altough the project gets money too |
| 12:01.42 | GeekShad1w | dfighter: why ? |
| 12:01.45 | dfighter | but most of the money goes to the students indeed |
| 12:02.18 | dfighter | GeekShad1w for mentoring the students |
| 12:02.20 | MatthewWilkes | GeekShad1w: Mentoring a student is a LOT of effort/time |
| 12:02.38 | MatthewWilkes | GeekShad1w: Google makes a 500 USD/student donation to the orgs as a thank you |
| 12:02.59 | MatthewWilkes | They also fly two representatives out to a summit in California, so need to reimburse flight costs |
| 12:03.20 | GeekShad1w | MatthewWilkes: ok nice |
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| 12:03.31 | MatthewWilkes | GeekShad1w: What org are you with, anyway? |
| 12:03.52 | GeekShad1w | well I did mentor students for our open source project already but for free |
| 12:04.10 | GeekShad1w | MatthewWilkes: Nightingale : http://getnightingale.com/ |
| 12:04.58 | GeekShad1w | and also Mozilla but I know they are already registered (I'm not mentoring for projects in Mozilla) |
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| 12:05.35 | gevaerts | GeekShad1w: the "nominate a legal entity" thing does not mean your organisation has to be a legal entiry |
| 12:05.55 | gevaerts | Many smaller organisations just nominate the project leader or someone equally trusted |
| 12:06.07 | gevaerts | Anyway, all this is irrelevant for this year :) |
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| 12:06.37 | GeekShad1w | oh ok |
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| 12:34.39 | gavinatkinson | .win 27 |
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| 12:36.11 | jiabao | hi |
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| 12:36.56 | hereticgod | jiabao, hi |
| 12:37.14 | jiabao | I have written my proposal in wiki, shall I put a link to it in GSoC proposal or rewrite it there? |
| 12:37.17 | jiabao | :) |
| 12:37.51 | gevaerts | jiabao: preferences differ, so ask the organisation |
| 12:38.09 | gevaerts | If I were to decide, I'd ask for everything on melange |
| 12:38.21 | jiabao | ah~ okay thank you :) |
| 12:38.35 | jiabao | oh hehe |
| 12:39.41 | gevaerts | For two reasons: (a) reviewing many proposals is a lot nicer (for me, anyway) if you don't have to click all the time, and (b) melange is tamper-proof after the submission deadline |
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| 12:40.01 | gevaerts | But again, it's not up to me :) |
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| 13:01.45 | jiabao | thanks gevaerts sry was left for a while |
| 13:01.50 | jiabao | :) |
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| 13:11.29 | ansimionescu | Hi there gsoc people! |
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| 13:21.53 | yashaswini90 | Hi all , I had a query regarding gsoc eligibility . My joining date at my company is almost 1st september , while first pencils down is 16th sepetember . I am pretty confident that if selected , i can wind up my project before my joining . Is it ok , and "legal" to apply for GSoC in my case then ? |
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| 13:22.34 | yashaswini90 | I had mailed n the discuss list , but there have been no replies yet . Please help :) |
| 13:24.16 | JordiGH | yashaswini90: As long as you're a student by May whatever, you're good. If you get a job near the end, however, the org that decides to work with you may decide to not take you, if it seems like you won't have time to finish the project. |
| 13:24.58 | gevaerts | nods |
| 13:25.08 | gevaerts | Make sure to discuss this with the organisation |
| 13:25.57 | JordiGH | Then again, the main interest is in getting long-term contributors, or at least it is for me. If it looks like you plan to keep on contributing after you get a job, that's fine too. |
| 13:26.41 | yashaswini90 | I feel since I have been contributing to this org for almost an year now , and set my deliverables clearly , I can deliver what I propose . And yes, I am willing to contribute remotely even after I start working , I'll find the time :) |
| 13:27.13 | gevaerts | Organisations are usually willing to be flexible if they get someone good in return :) |
| 13:28.08 | yashaswini90 | JordiGH: I was worried about whether there is some "legal" aspect /detail in the gsoc contract that prohibits the overlap ( since you are a contract developer for google during gsoc ) , even if it happens towards the end ( for about 1.5 weeks) |
| 13:28.12 | yashaswini90 | gevaerts: yeah :) |
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| 13:29.38 | JordiGH | I haven't read the student contract, but there are stories, very few stories, of people doing GSoC and a job at the same time, so it's possible, only very unlikely to be successful. |
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| 13:30.59 | yashaswini90 | JordiGH: in my case , if I am selected , its only the last week before pencils down , that I will be working . All my time before that will be exclusively for gsoc |
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| 13:31.32 | JordiGH | yashaswini90: That seems less likely to be a problem. Also, will your future employer be happy with you contributing to a free project? |
| 13:31.56 | yashaswini90 | Yes , thankfully , they promote and contribute to open source themselves :D |
| 13:31.56 | Yasin | Hello. One question. Does google discard proposals not conforming with the templates provided by Google and/or the organization applied to, regardless of the organization's tolerance to such violations? |
| 13:32.24 | JordiGH | Yasin: Google doesn't evaluate proposals, orgs do, and each org does whatever they want. |
| 13:33.06 | Yasin | Thank you. I'll non conform my way then. |
| 13:33.30 | JordiGH | You should have a good reason to do so, and ask the org beforehand. |
| 13:33.38 | Yasin | Of course. |
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| 13:33.51 | yashaswini90 | I was wishing some one from the open source office of google also replies in positive . I hope someone from there is on the channel today evening |
| 13:34.24 | gevaerts | yashaswini90: California business hours for them :) |
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| 13:34.42 | gevaerts | About three to four hours from now, I'd expect |
| 13:34.47 | yashaswini90 | gevaerts: true. Thanks :) |
| 13:35.30 | JordiGH | yashaswini90: You don't need to ask Google, ask your org. But I'm sure Carol will respond on the list. It's the weekend, y'know. |
| 13:36.07 | yashaswini90 | JordiGH: yeah , maybe thats why . |
| 13:36.17 | JordiGH | That's precisely why. Carol doesn't work on weekends. |
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| 13:48.56 | ansimionescu | I just realised GSOC applications are open. Any chance to get selected if I'm applying this late? |
| 13:49.10 | sumanah | yes |
| 13:49.11 | ansimionescu | Also, I think I have a kickass idea for Twitter. |
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| 13:49.26 | ansimionescu | Do they have insanely high standards or something? |
| 13:49.30 | sumanah | !whois ansimionescu |
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| 13:49.40 | sumanah | whoops :-) |
| 13:49.48 | ansimionescu | Haha no worries |
| 13:49.50 | sumanah | !studentguide | ansimionescu |
| 13:49.52 | gsocbot | ansimionescu: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 13:49.59 | sumanah | Check it out, follow its guidelines |
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| 13:50.31 | ansimionescu | Thanks! I actually participated last year to gsoc so I know the guidelines pretty much. |
| 13:50.33 | sumanah | ansimionescu: here's a question: if someone wanted to inform you about GSoC and wanted to ensure you knew about it 3 weeks ago, how should they have publicized it? what news sources do you pay attention to? |
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| 13:51.00 | sumanah | like, knew about the application dates |
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| 13:51.41 | ansimionescu | Hm, that's a good question. I read daily: (*) a selection of blogs via Google Reader (*) hacker news (*) The Verge (*) Prismatic - "dynamic" news |
| 13:52.06 | sumanah | ansimionescu: what are you gonna switch to before Google Reader goes away? |
| 13:52.42 | ansimionescu | sumanah: Hope that helps. No idea. Probably feedly/something popular. A web client is a must, I don't like mobile/desktop apps. |
| 13:53.06 | sumanah | newsblur? |
| 13:53.39 | ansimionescu | I'm looking into it. Is it yours or are you just recommending it out of goodwill? :P |
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| 13:54.46 | ansimionescu | The UI is slick, I like it. Does it import from Google Reader? Does it have a "static"-only, regular RSS feed reader, mode? |
| 13:55.26 | ansimionescu | There are countless "dynamic" news providers e.g. Prismatic, digg.com, Circa (ios app), Flipboard, etc. I want something static i.e. non-recommendation based |
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| 13:57.15 | sumanah | Not mine |
| 13:57.26 | sumanah | I don't use it myself, I just know a lot of people do |
| 13:57.42 | ansimionescu | sumanah: that is a really really good application. Thanks! |
| 13:57.48 | sumanah | Glad to help! |
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| 13:58.17 | sumanah | and btw ansimionescu you might be interested in http://hackerschool.com/ |
| 13:58.56 | ansimionescu | sumanah: yep I knew of hacker school - I wish I had the money for that, it's an awesome programme! :) |
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| 13:59.50 | jiabao | I accidentally posted a draft of my proposal in the comments section of my google-melange and am unable to remove it myself. What should I do? |
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| 14:00.43 | ansimionescu | jiabao: probably alert a moderator ASAP? |
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| 14:01.18 | jiabao | where would i find a moderator? |
| 14:01.41 | gevaerts | A moderator? That's not a forum... |
| 14:02.31 | waldi | jiabao: what do you mean with "comments section" |
| 14:02.32 | waldi | ? |
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| 14:02.40 | faisalthecoder | hii abbas |
| 14:02.49 | abbas | hii faisal |
| 14:02.59 | jiabao | in google melange you can leave comments below the proposal |
| 14:03.37 | waldi | and what is the problem with that? |
| 14:03.56 | gevaerts | waldi: it's annoying, obviously |
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| 14:04.16 | jiabao | I copied my proposal draft there and cannot delete it >_< ... |
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| 14:04.50 | sumanah | jiabao: it's an honest error and I wouldn't blame you for it -- contact Melange help |
| 14:05.53 | jiabao | thanks sumanah haha, where can i contact melange help? |
| 14:06.14 | gevaerts | #melange |
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| 14:08.02 | jiabao | thanks |
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| 14:23.57 | sumanah | https://techchicblog.wordpress.com/2013/04/27/irc-planning-meeting-to-promote-foss-among-women-in-india/ 70 minutes till this meeting |
| 14:25.19 | sunu | sumanah: Hi. Is there something like that some non-geeky cities.. I'm from bhubaneswar and I don't see any lug or any programming clubs here :( |
| 14:25.44 | sunu | s/some/for/ |
| 14:25.45 | sumanah | sunu: you can always start one, right? |
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| 14:26.26 | sunu | yeah, but I am not that good an organizer .. definitely starting one at college though. |
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| 14:26.49 | sunu | Space and money are always the problems :/ |
| 14:26.54 | sumanah | sunu: this is the magic of the internet, though -- you can hang out with people like you every day online |
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| 14:27.33 | sunu | yes, but having a physical geeky community is soooo much better :'( |
| 14:27.54 | gevaerts | Is it? |
| 14:27.58 | sumanah | It is better. And if you want to grow your organizing skills you can, just like you can grow your programming skills |
| 14:28.03 | gevaerts | You'd have to talk to people in person then! |
| 14:28.08 | sumanah | (It's better to have the option of both) |
| 14:28.31 | derdon | gevaerts: and look them in the eyes :( |
| 14:28.44 | sumanah | Different people want different things. This is okay. |
| 14:28.56 | gevaerts | derdon: not always. With some practice you can learn to avoid that |
| 14:29.02 | Koushik | sunu: I think you can have a look at meetup.com . I haven't participated in any meetup, but it looks good |
| 14:29.18 | sumanah | sunu: check out meetup.com and check out http://lanyrd.com/ |
| 14:29.19 | sunu | gevaerts: but a totally non existent physical community is not good at all. |
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| 14:29.45 | sumanah | sunu: for every single in-person FOSS community that exists, someone had to step up to help start it |
| 14:30.30 | sunu | Koushik: sumanah yes sure meetup.com is great. |
| 14:30.38 | sumanah | sunu: you might enjoy reading http://opensourcebridge.org/wiki/2012/Keynote_by_Sumana_Harihareswara (there is a video if you prefer that) if you feel like your parents/school don't understand your interests |
| 14:31.17 | sunu | Yes, I definitely feel that my school doesn't understand my interests :'( |
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| 14:32.10 | sumanah | sunu: You have my sympathies. You are not alone. |
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| 14:32.42 | sunu | I am actually planning to get some people together and build a PUG in bhubaneswar. Let's see how things go. |
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| 14:33.16 | sumanah | Great! Good luck sunu! do you have links to some HOWTOs on that? |
| 14:33.26 | sumanah | sunu: http://meghangill.com/category/user-groups/ may help you |
| 14:33.47 | sunu | Mainly I read about stuff on openhatch wiki. that's all. |
| 14:33.54 | sunu | sumanah: Thanks :) |
| 14:34.13 | sumanah | sunu: the OpenHatch wiki is great! |
| 14:34.49 | sunu | yep .. and the boston python workshop has great materials documented for reuse |
| 14:35.10 | sumanah | I attended one of those. Fantastic |
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| 14:36.05 | sunu | great! |
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| 14:49.03 | sunu | sumanah: I saw you were reviewing some proposals yesterday, do you have some time to review another today? :) |
| 14:49.15 | sumanah | Sure |
| 14:49.34 | sumanah | although you may find it useful to simply look at my comments from yesterday and see whether any of them apply to you, first! |
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| 14:50.33 | sunu | Umm.. ok. I'll dig up the logs. Here is my proposal page btw https://etherpad.mozilla.org/0pTYhdYncs |
| 14:50.44 | sunu | !logs |
| 14:50.45 | gsocbot | sunu: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 14:52.57 | Koushik | sumanah: are there any other programs like GSoC?.. I happened to know about Season of KDE yesterday. Are there others? |
| 14:53.05 | sumanah | Yes |
| 14:53.40 | sumanah | Koushik: I can't remember them all! |
| 14:54.39 | sumanah | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/12/finnish-summer-code-2008.html |
| 14:54.48 | sumanah | https://live.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen |
| 14:55.46 | sumanah | sunu: sorry, someone needed my help in another channel. back now |
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| 14:56.40 | Koushik | sumanah: Ah.. cool.. |
| 14:56.44 | sumanah | Koushik: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/12/finnish-summer-code-2008.html , https://live.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen |
| 14:57.41 | sumanah | sunu: ok, so from my criticisms of other people's applications, have you already started making a TODO list re what to fix/add in yours? :) |
| 14:58.10 | sumanah | Koushik: other vaguely related things: https://twitter.com/DevsForGood http://openhatch.org/ http://hackerschool.com/ |
| 14:59.09 | sunu | sumanah: Still digging up the logs :p |
| 14:59.19 | sumanah | Koushik: http://innovatesf.com/innovationfellows/ http://codeforamerica.org/ |
| 15:00.37 | Koushik | sumanah: hackerschool.com is awesome..! wish it was present in my hometown as well.. |
| 15:00.38 | sumanah | sunu: have you been having trouble finding the logs? or are you just reading through them, which is time-consuming? |
| 15:00.42 | sumanah | Koushik: you could start one |
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| 15:01.04 | sunu | sumanah: reading through them |
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| 15:03.03 | Koushik | sumanah: no money.. or time .. there are lots of meetups happening.. and i'm desperate to attend one |
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| 15:04.30 | sumanah | Still. You can start one someday |
| 15:04.46 | Koushik | Yes. Hopefully. |
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| 15:06.01 | Guest26725 | \s |
| 15:06.14 | sumanah | hi Guest26725 |
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| 15:12.01 | sumanah | Koushik: and you know about Project Euler, Codecademy, Khan Academy, edX, Coursera? |
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| 15:12.54 | Koushik | sumanah: Yup!.. I happen to enjoy edX and Coursera courses a lot! |
| 15:13.19 | sunu | and there's udacity too :-) |
| 15:13.58 | Koushik | sumanah: I guess the only problem I have is that I can't manage the time for college and the online courses.. |
| 15:14.34 | sumanah | Koushik: you might like to read http://caravanmagazine.in/reportage/chequered-pasts which is about the Indian IT/education situation |
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| 15:15.53 | Koushik | sumanah: checking |
| 15:16.56 | sumanah | also, the story of someone who learned a lot by contributing to Wikiversity https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Impact_of_Wikipedia_Dumisani_Ndubane.webm as he was pursuing his studies |
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| 15:21.02 | roonyH | Hi sumanah |
| 15:21.07 | sumanah | hi roonyH |
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| 15:21.51 | roonyH | if you have time, i'll appreciate some feedback on my proposal |
| 15:21.53 | roonyH | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/roonyh/1 |
| 15:22.05 | sumanah | ok, 10 min till https://techchicblog.wordpress.com/2013/04/27/irc-planning-meeting-to-promote-foss-among-women-in-india/ so I have 10 free min sunu if you are done skimming the stuff from yesterday |
| 15:22.46 | sunu | sumanah: Yes. Give me some comments :) |
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| 15:23.34 | sumanah | sunu: well, what's your list of things to fix based on what you read from my criticisms yesterday? |
| 15:23.36 | sumanah | roonyH: just a moment |
| 15:23.52 | roonyH | ok no problem |
| 15:24.03 | sunu | I just added my timezone |
| 15:24.12 | sunu | preferred working hours |
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| 15:24.51 | sunu | Thinking of linking all my commits to openhatch .. there are like 3-4. |
| 15:24.56 | sumanah | roonyH: "What would make you stay in the Melange community after the conclusion of GSoC?" I think your answer to this question should be more specific |
| 15:24.59 | sumanah | sunu: good ideas |
| 15:25.16 | sumanah | roonyH: "I have read documentation and has tried out many of them" can you find the problem in this sentence? |
| 15:26.03 | roonyH | have tried? |
| 15:26.15 | sumanah | roonyH: correct! |
| 15:26.25 | sumanah | sunu: you need to be more consistent in capitalizing proper names |
| 15:26.49 | sumanah | GitHub, Django, OpenHatch, etc. |
| 15:26.53 | roonyH | sorry should have figured out myself, thanks |
| 15:27.04 | sunu | sumanah: ok. |
| 15:27.07 | sumanah | roonyH: no prob! it's always better to have a code reviewer who isn't you and a proofreader who isn't you |
| 15:27.14 | paultag | == sumanah |
| 15:27.20 | sumanah | sunu: colons do not take a space before the colon. Example: "I like two things: books and horses" |
| 15:27.24 | sumanah | paultag: ? |
| 15:27.27 | sumanah | you are me now? |
| 15:27.37 | paultag | well, not ===, sumanah :> |
| 15:27.55 | sumanah | I guess I would not mind being you, you seem pretty cool |
| 15:28.02 | paultag | d'awww. samesies. |
| 15:28.05 | sumanah | *hug* |
| 15:28.07 | paultag | I don't have Klingon on *my* card |
| 15:28.08 | JordiGH | sumanah: I think French might put spaces before colons. French is a bit weird for spacing out its punctuation. |
| 15:28.08 | paultag | hugs |
| 15:28.31 | paultag | I hate sending in code that no one looks at. Everyone writes buggy code, I just want more people to find bugs :) |
| 15:28.31 | sumanah | JordiGH: Indian English and French and US English -- all weirdly different regarding certain punctuation! |
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| 15:29.55 | sumanah | roonyH: sunu: if you are sure you will have reliable internet/power then you may as well mention that. Mentors often run into students from South Asia having trouble with that. If you predict problems, talk about how you'll prevent them |
| 15:30.05 | sunu | Indians are confused. We are taught British English at school, read a lot of US English and watch a lot of US English and all the things get mixed up |
| 15:30.13 | sumanah | sunu: Understandable! |
| 15:30.21 | sumanah | I think in general in GSoC we prefer US English |
| 15:30.36 | sumanah | sunu: (Australians and Canadians also have their own interesting mixes) |
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| 15:30.51 | roonyH | sunu same here in Sri Lanka |
| 15:30.59 | sunu | okie :) |
| 15:31.14 | sumanah | sunu: you'll want to InterCap when you say OpenHatch |
| 15:31.16 | sumanah | and GitHub |
| 15:31.22 | sumanah | ok, more substantive stuff |
| 15:31.30 | sunu | ok |
| 15:31.37 | kai | sumanah: we do? |
| 15:31.46 | sumanah | kai: I could be wrong! I said "I think". |
| 15:32.00 | kai | sumanah: personally I think that only the queen's english is proper english... |
| 15:32.16 | kai | but then again I'm german and don't have a queen, so what do I know? |
| 15:32.18 | sumanah | sunu: give more specifics about your classes -- in your experience, how much time do they take (coursework + lab + homework + projects inclusive!) |
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| 15:32.47 | paultag | leider geil |
| 15:32.52 | sunu | sumanah: I'm not even a tiny bit sure about them :( |
| 15:33.01 | sumanah | sunu: have you ever had college courses before? |
| 15:33.22 | sunu | yes, in second year undergrad course now |
| 15:33.32 | sunu | But my university is screwed up |
| 15:33.46 | sunu | There is no consistency at all |
| 15:34.33 | sunu | All I know is classes will begin from the last week of August (most probably) |
| 15:34.50 | sumanah | sunu: ok. You may as well say that |
| 15:35.08 | sumanah | it's reassuring to a mentor to know that you are aware of this kind of project risk |
| 15:35.23 | sunu | sumanah: ok |
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| 15:36.15 | sunu | sumanah: should I write July 29 - August 26 or July 29-August 26? |
| 15:36.29 | sumanah | sunu: I think either is fine but I mildly prefer the latter |
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| 15:36.33 | kai | sumanah: whatever |
| 15:36.38 | kai | er sunu... |
| 15:36.39 | kai | sorry |
| 15:37.35 | sumanah | I'm sure sunu and roonyH would also welcome feedback from others on their proposals |
| 15:37.42 | sumanah | https://etherpad.mozilla.org/0pTYhdYncs and https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/roonyh/1 respectively |
| 15:38.00 | sunu | Yes surely :) |
| 15:38.56 | sumanah | sunu: you may want to try reading your prose aloud to see where you find snags, places for different punctuation, etc. |
| 15:39.29 | sunu | sumanah: ok |
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| 15:40.19 | sumanah | sunu: what kind of testing do you plan on doing? just manual testing? will you add unit tests? will you have automated browser tests? which browsers are you going to aim to be compatible with? |
| 15:40.53 | sunu | sumanah: unittests mainly. |
| 15:41.20 | roonyH | surely I welcome feedback from anyone |
| 15:41.28 | sumanah | sunu: Mention that in the proposal, and specifically mark out time for writing them in your schedule |
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| 15:41.46 | sunu | And I don't plan to tinker with the existing templates, so I hope I don't have to deal with browser compatibility issues. |
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| 15:41.57 | sunu | sumanah: TDD. |
| 15:42.13 | sumanah | sunu: then you should mention that in the proposal |
| 15:42.27 | sunu | ok |
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| 15:42.47 | Guest10126 | hey everybody |
| 15:42.54 | roonyH | sumanah does this sound ok, |
| 15:42.57 | roonyH | I am spending the summer in Colombo where internet connections are reliable, so I can assure you it is very unlikely that I will be unreachable through internet. |
| 15:43.00 | sumanah | sunu: in general, when I ask you a question because something isn't clear in the proposal, answering me in channel is a nice thing to do but the most important thing is to make a note in your TODO list to fix it in the proposal :) |
| 15:43.05 | sumanah | hi Guest10126 |
| 15:43.12 | sumanah | roonyH: Yup! |
| 15:43.50 | sunu | sumanah: Trying to fix stuff simultaneously on thepad |
| 15:43.53 | Guest10126 | okay so i am new to this irc thing |
| 15:44.00 | sumanah | Guest10126: that's ok, all of us were new once :) |
| 15:44.04 | roonyH | thanks sumanah, my proposal looked a lot worse. I changed a lot with your feedback yesterday |
| 15:44.31 | sumanah | sunu: ok! it might be useful for you to just list the TODOs somewhere (maybe at the bottom of the pad) because I am going to be giving you suggestions faster than you can implement them |
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| 15:44.43 | sumanah | roonyH: wow! well I am glad my feedback to other people also helped you :D |
| 15:45.41 | sunu | sumanah: ok |
| 15:46.30 | sumanah | sunu: what *kind* of documentation are you going to write? a code architecture walkthrough for future developers? end user help/FAQ? a feature interview where you discuss what decisions you made and why? something else? explaining that would be good |
| 15:47.01 | sumanah | sunu: why do you want to do this? why specifically OpenHatch? What is it that makes YOU specifically interested? |
| 15:48.18 | sunu | sumanah: Ah, ok. I actually followed PSF's template and didn't add anything else :P |
| 15:48.24 | swook | I really do marvel at the amount of effort put into GSoC applications. It's so different from 'send CV and wait' style intern apps. |
| 15:49.02 | sumanah | sunu: oh interesting! For a look at a different template, check out https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Application_template |
| 15:49.59 | sunu | ok |
| 15:49.59 | sumanah | sunu: talking a little about your personal experience would be great -- have you already written code in these languages before? have you ever filed a bug? have you posted to public mailing lists? |
| 15:50.10 | sumanah | linking to stuff like that shows that you are not shy about working in public. |
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| 15:50.33 | swook | sumanah: isn't that for mentors? if not the title is misleading imo |
| 15:50.51 | ashutosh30492 | Hi, I would love to get some community feedback on my proposal. Please comment in the google doc. I would really appreciate some insights on my proposal. |
| 15:50.51 | ashutosh30492 | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XwSAVvLZRDOENihCbo2-a649yWhas6uhAsWknBe3uFU/edit |
| 15:51.34 | sumanah | swook: MediaWiki participates in multiple programs in which we mentor people. GSoC counts as one of those. |
| 15:52.06 | sumanah | Don't worry, swook, we link to it and label it appropriately within MediaWiki. If you have a good short name for "programs in which people get individual mentorship attention" I want to know it! |
| 15:53.52 | swook | sumanah: It's obvious enough who (mentee) the page is directed to but only when reading the content. |
| 15:54.14 | swook | "This is the template for candidates who want to apply to mentorship programs such as Google Summer of Code or Outreach Program for Women." is what I found misleading since GSoC is applied to by orgs, |
| 15:54.14 | swook | and students kinda apply to orgs |
| 15:54.36 | sumanah | swook: All names are oversimplifications. I'm fine with this particular simplification. |
| 15:54.50 | sumanah | sunu: I also think it'd be good for you to talk about risk mitigation |
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| 15:55.08 | sumanah | sunu: think through what kinds of problems might slow you down and talk about how you will prevent them or deal with them if they come up |
| 15:55.20 | sumanah | you don't have to do a giant what-ifs list but it's nice to show you've thought about it |
| 15:56.11 | sumanah | anyway sunu I could go into way more depth but I want to look at some other people's proposals. Hope that was helpful |
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| 15:56.52 | sumanah | roonyH: ok, in no particular order: |
| 15:56.55 | sumanah | "I have made small contributions to there documentation." should be "their" |
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| 15:57.26 | sunu | sumanah: ok. Thanks :). It was very helpful. I will edit and see if I can catch paulproteus today and make him see my proposal :D |
| 15:57.30 | sumanah | roonyH: are there accessibility, UI/style guide, and/or security engineering guidelines you will follow? if so, linking to them would be good |
| 15:57.46 | sumanah | ashutosh30492: I'll probably be able to look at your proposal in ~20 min |
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| 15:59.34 | roonyH | summanah thanks |
| 15:59.38 | ashutosh30492 | sumanah: Thank you! |
| 15:59.46 | roonyH | I think I'll ask from my mentor |
| 16:00.34 | roonyH | and look around in the melange wiki |
| 16:02.38 | sumanah | roonyH: cool. |
| 16:04.13 | sumanah | roonyH: overall of course this is a very substantial and thorough application |
| 16:04.36 | roonyH | thanks sumanah |
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| 16:04.47 | sumanah | roonyH: still there are things that could be better :-) |
| 16:04.59 | sumanah | roonyH: do you have access to a grammar checker you could run this through? it might find a few things |
| 16:05.02 | roonyH | im sure there are |
| 16:05.13 | sumanah | roonyH: "I will have exams on mid-June." being more specific would be great. Do you know the dates? will you need to revise for them? |
| 16:06.07 | roonyH | i'll need to revise for them, i hope to do that in the community bonding period |
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| 16:06.28 | roonyH | we are not given exact days yet |
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| 16:07.03 | sumanah | roonyH: saying that might be good |
| 16:07.08 | sumanah | roonyH: "On any other day : 11.30 - 19.30 UTC" - that colon thing |
| 16:07.10 | roonyH | ok |
| 16:07.18 | roonyH | oh right |
| 16:07.34 | sumanah | roonyH: "Getting familiarize to the development environment." I think what you mean is "Getting familiar" or "Getting familiarized" |
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| 16:08.08 | roonyH | oh ok |
| 16:08.33 | roonyH | Getting familiar is better, isn't it |
| 16:08.45 | sumanah | yeah |
| 16:09.42 | roonyH | thanks again sumanah |
| 16:09.46 | sumanah | roonyH: in the "Communication skills" section you can talk about the process of your GSoC application and the feedback you're getting right now as an example of how you are good at requesting and taking feedback! |
| 16:09.48 | sumanah | RECURSION |
| 16:10.26 | roonyH | oh right great! :) |
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| 16:11.04 | sumanah | roonyH: "I selected the "Messaging System project". I want to specifically concentrate on the performance of the system." are you planning on doing performance benchmarking to ensure that you keep performance fast? If so, state that in the beginning, middle, & end of your project |
| 16:11.54 | swook | How long do successful proposals tend to be? I'm always worried mine might be too long to keep attention, or too short having missed out some details which might be desirable. |
| 16:12.40 | roonyH | ok i'll do that |
| 16:12.46 | sumanah | swook: I presume they would be at least 1000 words long |
| 16:13.09 | sumanah | also it's ok if it's too long to keep attention through the whole thing as long as you have clear headers & a good structure |
| 16:13.16 | sumanah | so someone can skim and just read the parts they are interested in |
| 16:13.47 | swook | that is a good point... |
| 16:14.06 | swook | but I think the ones I've seen linked to on this channel as well as those which are googlable are all definitely more than 1000 words |
| 16:14.11 | swook | 1000 isn't much at all! |
| 16:14.29 | roonyH | I guess mine's a little long, because the template itself is long |
| 16:14.36 | sumanah | roonyH: You probably saw what I suggested to other people: be consistent in capitalizing things like Python, and you don't need to capitalize words that are not proper nouns (such as "Models") |
| 16:14.55 | sumanah | I'm sure I've seen 5000-word GSoC applications that were very enjoyable to read |
| 16:15.03 | gevaerts | swook: make sure the text is readable, and it can't be too long |
| 16:15.09 | sumanah | also, there's a saying that a picture is worth a thousand words |
| 16:15.16 | sumanah | although I wonder if that's only true for English |
| 16:15.28 | kai | as someone from academia who's constantly plagued by having to bring ideas into a specific word (or even character) range, I hate to impose this on other people |
| 16:15.31 | sumanah | roonyH: I do not think your proposal is too long |
| 16:15.48 | roonyH | oh good |
| 16:15.58 | swook | gevaerts, kai: That's great :) |
| 16:16.37 | kai | sumanah: that saying is incomplete ;) I believe it's "a picture is worth a thousand words describing the picture" ;) |
| 16:16.43 | sumanah | Two proposals from last year that we accepted for MediaWiki: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jarry1250/GSoC_2012_application and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Drecodeam/GSoC_2012_Application |
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| 16:17.34 | sumanah | roonyH: "This model to associates messages with the receivers." you don't need the "to" there, I think. Overall, I know it will take a while, but I suggest you read your Implementation Plan aloud to find snags like this |
| 16:17.56 | sumanah | roonyH: "Delevarables" misspelled |
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| 16:19.10 | sumanah | roonyH: in "Are you familiar with any of the following tools or languages?" you could ADD a few at the end -- tools like the specific bug trackers they use, the wiki, etc. |
| 16:19.48 | roonyH | ok |
| 16:20.09 | roonyH | I tried my best to make this hard for you. :) |
| 16:20.14 | sumanah | roonyH: :-) It is! |
| 16:20.36 | sumanah | "I am fluent in Java, Python, and objective c. And To some extend in HTML, CSS and Javascript" is a little off -- you want "extent" rather than "extend" and this may as well all be one sentence |
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| 16:21.08 | sumanah | I am fluent in Java, Python, and Objective C, and to some extent in HTML, CSS and JavaScript." |
| 16:21.17 | sumanah | Whoops, missed the opening quote there. |
| 16:21.20 | roonyH | oh ow |
| 16:21.28 | roonyH | ok |
| 16:22.36 | sumanah | roonyH: if you have ever filed bug reports, posted to public mailing lists, taught classes, started a FLOSS user group or devday, etc. then it would be great if you could find a way to link to those, to further demonstrate that you are skilled and genuinely interested in FLOS |
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| 16:25.02 | sumanah | so roonyH those are some thoughts. Hope they helped! |
| 16:25.16 | sumanah | ashutosh30492: looking at your proposal now |
| 16:25.18 | roonyH | they most definitely helped |
| 16:25.57 | ashutosh30492 | sumanah: Thanks. |
| 16:26.22 | roonyH | thank you again, sumanah |
| 16:26.30 | sumanah | Glad to, roonyH |
| 16:26.44 | sumanah | ashutosh30492: so, first off, have you already run a grammar checker through this/ |
| 16:26.45 | sumanah | ? |
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| 16:27.29 | ashutosh30492 | sumanah: Well, word didn't give any issues. Anything wrong there? |
| 16:27.31 | sumanah | ashutosh30492: also: in "patches submitted", link link link |
| 16:27.35 | sumanah | link to things! |
| 16:28.30 | sumanah | ashutosh30492: link to bug reports you have submitted, mailing list posts, blog entries, patches and pull requests. |
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| 16:28.46 | sumanah | Example of grammar issue: "I could immediately connect with NESCents ideas" You want to say "NESCent's" |
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| 16:29.24 | sumanah | continues looking at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XwSAVvLZRDOENihCbo2-a649yWhas6uhAsWknBe3uFU/edit?pli=1 |
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| 16:29.32 | ashutosh30492 | sumanah: Done. |
| 16:29.40 | sumanah | ashutosh30492: Overall you need to be more consistent in capitalization. |
| 16:30.10 | sumanah | GSoC. Python. GitHub. Perl. |
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| 16:30.55 | sumanah | ashutosh30492: It's not the end of the world of course but consistency helps readability and reassures the reader that you will get the details right in the code as well. |
| 16:31.38 | sumanah | ashutosh30492: your "interests: open source" section has some punctuation problems. Doubled periods, ending a sentence with a comma, that sort of thing. |
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| 16:32.22 | Aayush251 | Hey sumanah |
| 16:32.23 | sumanah | ashutosh30492: "With my experience in building scalable systems with PHP" You should back up that claim by talking about how many simultaneous users your previous projects had. |
| 16:32.25 | sumanah | Hi Aayush251 |
| 16:32.28 | Aayush251 | Morning |
| 16:32.39 | Aayush251 | So I've updated my schedule |
| 16:32.55 | Aayush251 | Though its still rough |
| 16:33.05 | Aayush251 | I'll be putting in more details soon |
| 16:33.38 | sumanah | ok! |
| 16:33.42 | sumanah | good luck |
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| 16:33.57 | ashutosh30492 | sumanah: Will add the user load to my projects to back that up. Thanks! |
| 16:35.10 | sumanah | "I have also worked with Python and Perl in the past" doing what? |
| 16:35.39 | sumanah | "JavaSctipt" ouch! :) |
| 16:36.17 | sumanah | ashutosh30492: "Git" is not an acronym so you do not need to capitalize ALL the letters |
| 16:37.34 | sumanah | ashutosh30492: I am not quite clear in your schedule re: whether you're working in a branch that you're merging to master twice (once at midterm and once at the end) or whether you have some other plan |
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| 16:38.38 | sumanah | ashutosh30492: "continuous user based tests on the interface" what does that mean? does that mean that you will have automatic browser testing running through something like Selenium? |
| 16:38.38 | ashutosh30492 | sumanah: I am working on remodeling a system. So I develop the backend and merge it into the master by midterm. And them complete the UI and merge it into the master by endterm |
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| 16:40.00 | ashutosh30492 | sumanah: I intend to have the community run user based tests on the system. me and my mentor seem to think that is the best approach since the product will be used by educators and the likes. |
| 16:40.31 | sumanah | ashutosh30492: yes, but "continuous" is a strong word |
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| 16:40.44 | mercer | hi |
| 16:41.07 | ashutosh30492 | sumanah: Oh, what can I change it to convey what I intend? Regular? |
| 16:41.13 | sumanah | hi mercer |
| 16:41.24 | sumanah | ashutosh30492: if you can think about the actual frequency that would be good |
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| 16:49.19 | Koushik | sumanah: are you free to give feedbacks? |
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| 16:49.33 | sumanah | Koushik: in about 10 min, yes |
| 16:49.43 | Koushik | sumanah: Okay |
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| 16:50.05 | sumanah | Koushik: there are also other people in this channel who can probably help you! |
| 16:50.22 | sumanah | ashutosh30492: so those are some things to address |
| 16:50.52 | Koushik | sumanah: Ok :) |
| 16:50.55 | sumanah | ashutosh30492: it'd probably be good for you to say what your bio knowledge/coursework has been |
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| 16:51.59 | koushiks | got disconnected.. Can anyone give feedback on this proposal? |
| 16:52.00 | koushiks | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59055250/Proj_Wiselib_2.rtf |
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| 16:57.34 | MatthewWilkes | !next |
| 16:57.36 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. |
| 16:57.39 | MatthewWilkes | urgh |
| 16:58.26 | kai | !this cookie | MatthewWilkes |
| 16:58.26 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: "this cookie" is for you |
| 16:58.36 | MatthewWilkes | !forget next |
| 16:58.37 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: The operation succeeded. |
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| 16:59.05 | MatthewWilkes | !learn next as May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. (Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7) |
| 16:59.06 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. (Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7) |
| 16:59.10 | MatthewWilkes | !forget next |
| 16:59.11 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:59.13 | MatthewWilkes | !learn next as May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
| 16:59.14 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
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| 17:02.37 | schumaml | is there a lag for org connections? seem like it took >10 min for one of our mentors to be shown in the org connections? |
| 17:02.43 | schumaml | +s |
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| 17:11.14 | roonyH | can anyone do that forget learn thing? |
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| 17:14.50 | sumanah | hi roonyH - I think only certain privileged people can do that with this bot |
| 17:15.11 | sumanah | there are some good open source bot frameworks around (I think there's one in Twisted) if you want to play with having a bot in a channel do cool stuff |
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| 17:16.00 | roonyH | sumanah oh ok, was curious. I see around. |
| 17:16.12 | roonyH | *I'll |
| 17:18.15 | chro | the student deadline application was postponed? |
| 17:18.31 | paultag | !next |
| 17:18.33 | gsocbot | paultag: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline. ( Countdown at http://tinyurl.com/cg526v7 ) |
| 17:18.39 | paultag | humm. I don't think so? |
| 17:18.51 | paultag | … was it? |
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| 17:28.09 | ashutosh30492 | sumanah: Thanks a lot! I'll work on your comments ASAP! |
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| 17:33.17 | pratnala | hello |
| 17:33.26 | pratnala | what should i fill in im network and im channel in registration? |
| 17:33.39 | pratnala | i mean "Im network" and "Im handle" |
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| 17:34.52 | sumanah | hi pratnala |
| 17:35.17 | DenzelH12 | Hello, |
| 17:35.51 | DenzelH12 | I was wondering i could ask a few questions to experienced gsoc members |
| 17:35.58 | DenzelH12 | if I* |
| 17:35.59 | sumanah | pratnala: nickname |
| 17:36.04 | sumanah | pratnala: like "pratnala" |
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| 17:36.23 | sumanah | example: "IM network: GChat. IM handle: pratnala" |
| 17:36.27 | sumanah | go ahead DenzelH12 |
| 17:36.44 | schumaml | pratnala: IM is short for Instant Messaging |
| 17:36.56 | DenzelH12 | Thatnks Ok so I am a new programmer with only experience in only Java |
| 17:37.07 | schumaml | no idea what exactly qualifies as such these days |
| 17:37.14 | tomprince | For many cases freenode and IRC nick would be the appropriate tihng. |
| 17:37.16 | DenzelH12 | And I only have two semesters |
| 17:37.17 | schumaml | probably Skype, Jabber, ... |
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| 17:37.44 | pratnala | schumaml: So I have to list my IRC nick, skype handle etc? |
| 17:37.54 | pratnala | tomprince: Thanks! :) |
| 17:37.57 | DenzelH12 | I was wondering if thats enough experience to actually particiapte |
| 17:38.06 | pratnala | DenzelH12: Pick Java projects |
| 17:38.06 | DenzelH12 | in any projects |
| 17:38.10 | swook | pratnala: this is just your GSoC profile, your proposal can have more detail |
| 17:38.21 | pratnala | swook: Sure thanks |
| 17:38.21 | sumanah | DenzelH12: could be! |
| 17:38.30 | pratnala | I hope I am not late to start |
| 17:38.34 | pratnala | I was having exams :( |
| 17:39.21 | sumanah | pratnala: you are not early but you are not TOO late. |
| 17:39.22 | DenzelH12 | That is what i was planing to do but all the ones i have found look as if they require more experience than i have |
| 17:39.41 | DenzelH12 | are the mentors willing to help or are they just to monitor progress |
| 17:39.51 | schumaml | but please do not wait to submit until like 10 seconds before the deadline :) |
| 17:39.54 | sumanah | DenzelH12: the mentors do help |
| 17:40.05 | sumanah | DenzelH12: do you know what the word "mentor" usually means in English? |
| 17:40.22 | schumaml | DenzelH12: but why not ask them yourself? |
| 17:40.31 | DenzelH12 | Yes I do know what it means but I've had mentors that don't do much at all |
| 17:40.48 | DenzelH12 | I haven't gotten any replies yet |
| 17:40.56 | schumaml | there may be limits for the help, of course - some org might not expect to have to help you use common tools |
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| 17:41.33 | pratnala | sumanah: Thanks, I'll work my ass off for the remaining 4 days now :P |
| 17:41.49 | pratnala | schumaml: Haha not at all |
| 17:41.51 | DenzelH12 | common tools aren't what I'm conerned about its the actual programming |
| 17:42.03 | sumanah | DenzelH12: my sympathies on your past experiences |
| 17:42.04 | DenzelH12 | for when i run into a wall or have trouble progressing |
| 17:42.07 | pratnala | DenzelH12: GSoC Mentors are good! |
| 17:42.18 | DenzelH12 | Thanks |
| 17:42.47 | DenzelH12 | Thanks pretty much all I needed to know plus the application process seems like its a hassle |
| 17:42.53 | schumaml | DenzelH12: did you only communicate with your mentor or the whole org, e.g. on their devel lists? |
| 17:42.53 | sumanah | !studentguide | DenzelH12 |
| 17:42.54 | gsocbot | DenzelH12: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
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| 17:43.18 | schumaml | we found that limiting gsoc to 1:1 conversations doesn't really work |
| 17:43.37 | sumanah | DenzelH12: it may seem like a hassle but it's very useful to help organizations see if the students are resourceful, good communicators |
| 17:43.49 | DenzelH12 | Thanks for the guide but I read it already |
| 17:44.10 | pratnala | schumaml: In which sense do yu mean 1:1 conversations? didn't get your point there |
| 17:44.37 | DenzelH12 | Ok thanks I've been looking through the oraganizations and I have already found a few that I think will be a good fit |
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| 17:45.06 | schumaml | pratnala: some mentors and students write or talk in private, off the orgs main communications channels (like mailing lists, irc channels, forums) |
| 17:45.16 | pratnala | oh u mean that way |
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| 17:45.36 | schumaml | this isolates them from the rest of the development, and the org from them |
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| 17:46.06 | pratnala | hmm true |
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| 17:46.41 | schumaml | it can be useful for limited issues, like personal or scheduling problems, but that should be exceptions |
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| 17:55.50 | DrJoel | Hi.. really a melange question but more peple are here who might know |
| 17:56.35 | DrJoel | We have two mentors who are showing up as "User Action Required". What do they need to do? |
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| 17:57.35 | gevaerts | sumanah: the bot acceps factoid updates from anyone |
| 17:58.15 | sumanah | DrJoel: maybe their org admin needs to do something? |
| 17:59.37 | DrJoel | I am supposed to be the org admin |
| 17:59.41 | DrJoel | I don't see anything to do |
| 18:00.01 | DrJoel | I can withdraw or reject them. I can't accept them. |
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| 18:02.18 | Kaiyi | hello devs.. |
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| 18:03.02 | schumaml | DrJoel: ask them to log in and have a look at their dashboard? |
| 18:03.04 | Kaiyi | i have a question. how to write the Instant messenger names and protocols of irc.. |
| 18:03.14 | tomprince | DrJoel: #melange maybe? |
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| 18:03.52 | DrJoel | I asked them to look at their dashboard but I didn't know what to tell them to look for. |
| 18:04.09 | DrJoel | I will try #melange.. but Lennie and scorche will also be there :) |
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| 18:04.21 | scorche|sh | hrm? |
| 18:04.56 | scorche|sh | DrJoel: i dont really dabble in melange - i would be quite useless to you ;) |
| 18:05.24 | DrJoel | Unfortunately I seem to find the things that don't work or are confusing .. LOL |
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| 18:35.54 | jbirdwell34 | Hi, I was wondering how much coding experience is needed or desired to participate in the Summer of Code? |
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| 19:03.16 | kpolosin | Hi guys. My name is Kostya. I was interested in GSoC Typo3 CMS projects "Core updater". With whom I can contact to get more information on this Projects? Thanks in advance =) |
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| 19:03.55 | gavinatkinson | kpolosin: Hey |
| 19:03.55 | paultag | !anyone |
| 19:03.56 | gsocbot | paultag: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://goo.gl/yxeB0 |
| 19:04.01 | paultag | kpolosin: there are some detains on the orgs in there :) |
| 19:04.07 | paultag | details* |
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| 19:05.56 | kpolosin | hello = ) thanks for the info. I will try! |
| 19:07.05 | paultag | :) |
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| 19:10.00 | kpolosin | Another question: if my proposal not yet finished the timeline section. Can I send it or better finish it? |
| 19:10.54 | paultag | kpolosin: you can update as much as you'd like -- but the admins get a mail each time -- most admins don't mind (and rather like to see it), but too much isn't great eather :) |
| 19:10.57 | paultag | kpolosin: so, go for it! |
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| 19:12.44 | kpolosin | thanks for information =) |
| 19:13.29 | paultag | you got it ツ |
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| 19:18.01 | zamN | Can you edit your application once the application period ends? |
| 19:18.14 | gevaerts | Not normally, no |
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| 19:18.25 | gevaerts | The organisation can grant exceptions though, I believe |
| 19:19.00 | gevaerts | But don't count on it |
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| 19:22.04 | tomprince | You can add comments though. |
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| 19:23.20 | vedant | hey sumanah, yesterday by the time I saw your ping you had left |
| 19:23.24 | sumanah | hi vedant |
| 19:23.42 | sumanah | vedant: I wasn't sure whether you had seen my suggestion to address accessibility |
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| 19:31.07 | zamN | Does anyone know if there is a gsoc specific channel for pidgin? |
| 19:31.19 | JordiGH | zamN: Does #pidgin know? |
| 19:31.25 | zamN | Nope, they said ask here lol |
| 19:31.27 | JordiGH | lol |
| 19:31.29 | JordiGH | zamN: If #pidgin doesn't know, then probably nobody knows. |
| 19:31.30 | zamN | At least, one person did |
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| 19:33.12 | JordiGH | zamN: Pidgin says #pidgin is the IRC channel for Pidgin and GSoC. |
| 19:33.15 | JordiGH | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2013/pidgin |
| 19:33.34 | zamN | oh, its an icon |
| 19:33.37 | zamN | no wonder why i didnt find it |
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| 19:41.27 | vedant | sumanah: oh ok I though you were just saying hi :) |
| 19:42.07 | vedant | I'm not sure whether I addressed the accessibility issue. wait I will have a look at the logs |
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| 19:47.32 | vedant | sumanah if you mean the internationalization issue. i have mentioned it in 2 places |
| 19:48.30 | Aayush251 | vedant she is offline at the moment :) |
| 19:49.54 | tomprince | vedant: Not internationalization: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_accessibility |
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| 19:53.16 | vedant | I know the definition of accessibility :) I didn't understand what did she mean exactly |
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| 20:49.16 | carldani | hey |
| 20:49.46 | carldani | what's the preferred way to tell a student that he/she possibly submitted to the wrong org? |
| 20:50.09 | carldani | A non-private comment in melange? |
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| 20:52.11 | JordiGH | carldani: Seems reasonable, but it could just be a spammy proposal. |
| 20:52.38 | JordiGH | carldani: We get those every year, students think that carpet-bombing all possible orgs with their proposal will get them in. |
| 20:53.11 | derdon | more proposals = higher chance of getting accepted |
| 20:53.13 | derdon | no? |
| 20:53.24 | gevaerts | derdon: no |
| 20:53.32 | derdon | send to all the orgs and the chance must become 100%! |
| 20:53.36 | gevaerts | More proposals = less time per proposal |
| 20:53.50 | derdon | gevaerts: you're so clever |
| 20:54.01 | derdon | you can almost notice irony |
| 20:54.11 | gevaerts | Yes, I know |
| 20:54.13 | carldani | "The goal of the project is to create a system for both recording and streaming live-video conferences, meetings, and other presentations." (we are an org doing x86/ARM firmware work) |
| 20:54.14 | gevaerts | I'm good at that |
| 20:54.21 | gevaerts | is half asleep, clearly :) |
| 20:54.38 | JordiGH | carldani: If you think it's an honest mistake, then take the time to respond. If not, dump it in the spam bin. |
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| 20:57.31 | carldani | Well, the submission in question claims the proposal wasn't submitted to other orgs. So I'm quite interested if that's actually true (applying to the wrong org by accident is a honest mistake), and if not, inform other orgs to be really careful regarding said student. |
| 20:57.52 | carldani | I now added a comment in melange, and hope the student will respond. |
| 20:59.15 | varun | Hi all, how can i select sub organization in melange ? |
| 20:59.58 | JordiGH | varun: There are no suborganisations. If you're working with an umbrella, just specify in your application for which org of that umbrella you're applying for. |
| 21:04.42 | varun | JordiGH: is it ? but my mentor just told me that my proposal is not linked to Melange's project list and i need to select on suborganization |
| 21:05.37 | carldani | good night everyone! |
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| 22:54.13 | McEnroe | What do I do if I spend half a summer in one country and the other half in another? What do I put down on the registration form? |
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| 23:07.52 | perepujal | McEnroe: explain it in your application, or in the prefered communication channel of the org you choose, but usually should be OK |
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| 23:10.53 | McEnroe | perepujal: The reason I'm asking is legal. I'm a F1 student. In the US I'd need CPT, in my country I wouldn't ... |
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| 23:11.35 | tomprince | Question for carols. |
| 23:11.41 | scorche|sh | McEnroe: as a note, you do need to be able to work in both countries - not just one |
| 23:11.48 | geri | hi how long should the application be? |
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| 23:11.58 | scorche|sh | geri: as long as it needs to be! |
| 23:12.48 | geri | 1 page is ok? |
| 23:13.02 | gevaerts | Well, it's online, so I expect it to be one webpage |
| 23:13.13 | perepujal | geri: as long and as good to show you are the best fit for the task |
| 23:13.25 | gevaerts | When printed, I'd say one page is *probably* a bit short |
| 23:13.39 | gevaerts | A good schedule will almost fill that |
| 23:13.42 | geri | task? i thought u can present your own idea? |
| 23:13.48 | gevaerts | You can |
| 23:13.53 | geri | but? |
| 23:13.55 | McEnroe | At what point in time is the t-shirt sent out? After completion? (Need to decide on address.) |
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| 23:14.13 | gevaerts | McEnroe: there's more than the t-shirt |
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| 23:14.40 | gevaerts | geri: no but, except that if you present your own idea, it's a good idea to talk to the organisation first |
| 23:14.46 | scorche|sh | geri: especially if you are presenting your own idea, i highly, highly recommend talking to your potential org(s) first... |
| 23:15.01 | McEnroe | gevaerts: even better! Still, when would that be? |
| 23:15.30 | gevaerts | McEnroe: you'll get sent a "welcome package" soon after acceptance, which will (I presume, it's been like that for several years now) include the prepaid card that's used for payments |
| 23:15.52 | gevaerts | I believe you're expected to get that before the official start of the coding period |
| 23:16.28 | gevaerts | You should be able to change your shipping address in melange after that, which should be well in time for the t-shirt |
| 23:16.54 | perepujal | McEnroe: I "think" you will be able to change the address when you move |
| 23:17.00 | McEnroe | gevaerts: Am I reading this right, that it will be before June 1st? https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 |
| 23:17.08 | McEnroe | perepujal: I might have to risk it ... |
| 23:17.36 | perepujal | carols is the right person to answer this |
| 23:18.10 | gevaerts | McEnroe: not sure about that. I'd expect the first half of June, but things will also depend on how fast these things work where you live |
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