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00:00.36mmadiaashutosh30492 in that case, the org could only select 4 students.
00:01.15ashutosh30492In essence, they'll drop one project? And how is that decided?
00:01.22mmadiathere's always the option to donate slots back to be redistributed and the slim chance that the org gets one of the few donated slots.
00:01.23ashutosh30492As in the slots.
00:01.31mmadia!slots
00:01.32gsocbotmmadia: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations
00:02.04mmadiaand each mentoring org decides which students to accept.
00:02.48ashutosh30492okay.. and if there is just one student applying for a project, is it a good thing or a bad thing?
00:03.16mmadiashrugs
00:04.30mmadia!odds
00:04.31gsocbotmmadia: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead.
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00:05.00mmadiathat may answer some of your questions too, ashutosh30492   :)
00:05.32ashutosh30492:)
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02:00.07Labradoodle-360Is it possible that I could apply to work with SMF? SimpleMachines Forums?
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02:03.25ojwbLabradoodle-360: are they an accepted mentoring org for this year?
02:04.05ojwbif not, then no
02:04.10Labradoodle-360They aren't on the list as of now...
02:04.16ojwbthough you could encourage them to apply next year
02:04.52ojwbLabradoodle-360: the mentoring org for 2013 have been chosen, so that list is final
02:04.59Labradoodle-360Shoot, that's too bad/
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04:36.58mithro!next
04:37.00gsocbotmithro: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline.
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05:11.26bipulHello any one around.
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05:13.10mithroyes there are lots of people around
05:14.10bipulmithro: Are you mentors for GSOC2013
05:14.49mithrothere are mentors for GSoC2013 in this room and I may be one of those
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05:17.14ojwbbipul: if you're looking for mentors for a particular org, you'd do better to talk directly to that org; if you have general questions, feel free to just ask them...
05:23.05banasMy summer break starts from the 21st. If I am selected, will I be asked to show any documents from university after the results day?
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05:27.26ojwbbanas: you'll need to show proof you were accepted or enrolled as of the date in the FAQ
05:28.01banasojwb: Exactly. So is there any specific document I need to produce from my insti?
05:28.11banasOr will something as simple as an ID card do?
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05:29.03ojwbnot sure - if the FAQ doesn't say, i'm sure it's been discussed on the student list
05:29.35banasI'll check out :)
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06:17.21bhdeepsHello
06:18.22bhdeepsI am interning at one of the companies in summer, but am extremely interested in taking part in GSOC. does anyone know if this is a limitation?
06:21.49dfighterbhdeeps GSOC is a full time commitment, so unless you live on a planet where there's 48 hours in a day, it's quite unlikely you can do the two together :)
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06:23.39bhdeepsdfighter Thanks :)  i was hoping to spend around 30 hours on this project
06:23.56bhdeepsThanks for the info
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06:24.05dfighterbhdeeps full time is 5x8 tho :P
06:24.48dfighter( sometimes more )
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06:34.00zamNHow do I find out how many students a particular organization gets to mentor?
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06:35.41stefanhazamN: That number isn't known before student applicants ends
06:35.51stefanhazamN: Look at the GSoC 2013 timeline
06:35.56stefanhahttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013
06:36.21zamNthanks stefanct
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06:36.26zamNer, stefanha *
06:36.47zamNstefanha: how many is it usually?
06:36.56zamNI guess it depends on number of applicants?
06:39.29dfighterzamN that's one of the factors
06:39.51dfighterbut slot allocations are done manually, buy Carol and Chris
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06:42.08hari_omI have submitted my proposal for mentoring organizations. Do i need to wait for them to contact me or I talk with them about the details of the project?
06:42.24leonhuangHow can I contact with mentors?
06:42.31leonhuangof SuperTuxKart
06:42.33ojwbzamN: it'll probably be somewhere between 1 and 60
06:42.40zamNper org?
06:42.43ojwbyes
06:42.46zamNo wow
06:42.58ojwbleonhuang: find their entry in the org list and there will be contact details
06:43.13ojwbsee /topic for a link to the org list
06:43.16leonhuangLet me find once mor
06:43.42ojwbkde had about 60 slots last year, but they had hundreds of applications
06:43.51ojwbfirst year orgs generally get 1 or 2 slots
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06:45.43bhdeepsdfighter: ya. thanks anyways :)
06:46.04hari_omwhat is the irc channel of opensuse???
06:46.28ojwbhari_om: see the org list for contact details
06:47.29harshaduraprobably #opensuse :)
06:50.14hari_omthanks harshadura
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06:51.18hari_omwhat i need to do after i have submitted my proposal . Do i need to contact mentor organization to make my proposal strong??
06:51.42dfighterhari_om preferably you need to contact them BEFORE submitting
06:51.49dfighterso you can discuss it
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06:52.02harshadurayeap thats very important, you could get comments from them even after the submission to melange and improve upon
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06:52.31harshadurau will notice thr is a comment field at the bottom of proposal, so mentors can comment on it
06:53.17harshadurashow to as much as mentors u can and get feedback and improve, specially frm the potential mentor
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06:54.33disdihi anyone from india?
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06:55.19sunu_me and a lot of others :)
06:55.47disdihi sunu....actually I am first time applying for GSOC
06:55.55disdiso wanted to discuss
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06:56.43sunu_me too :-)
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07:22.24leonhuanghello, guys, do you know what the proposal title should be? or like what?
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07:41.28lelelehello
07:41.51leleleI had a question about my eligibility.
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07:42.41leleleI am joing graduate school this Fall 2013, so i was told that I am eligible for GSoc. However I would be starting work in India and finishing up in US. Would these cause any issues
07:44.17waldilelele: do you have a working permit for india and the US for the time you will stay there?
07:44.44leleleI am a citizen so I can work in India
07:45.17leleleI am joining graduate school, so is there something I need to talk with Universtiy
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07:50.00waldilelele: you will be in the US on a F1 visa?
07:50.19leleleyes
07:51.17waldilelele: the FAQ have a full article about F1 visa holders
07:51.30leleleyes one sec
07:51.49lelelethe problem with that is they assume you are in the US.
07:51.54lelelelet me go through it again
07:52.24lelelee.g. Please talk to your international student affairs office for more details. In the past, students on an F1 visa have participated in Google Summer of Code through CPT, but you will need to check with your university to see what will work best.
07:53.05lelelebut I am sort of doing half work in India
07:53.13leleleand half of it in the United States
07:56.26leleleanyone I can mail at google about my peculiar situation?
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08:00.23laurellelele google-summer-of-code-discuss@googlegroups.com
08:00.28waldilelele: did you contact the international student affairs office?
08:00.50waldiyou need there help anyway
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08:02.10leleleOk I will..but did not want to contact them rightaway, as my papers are still being processed
08:02.48waldiwhy?
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08:03.33leleleas in I am not 'officially enrolled'...I will be after they send me a I-20 etc. Which should happen before GSoc starts.
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08:04.06lelele*before we need papers.
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08:04.39lelelearrgh..what I meant was I would be officially a student according to the eligibility criteria
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08:05.46bluakiWhen registering, must a student's contact name exactly match their name on W-9 and academic transcripts?
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08:10.47kaibluaki: is there any reason for it not to?
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08:11.54waldimelange already have a public and a private name
08:11.57bluakibeing in the process of a name change for personal reasons while preferring one contact name but not yet having those records changed
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08:49.16kaibluaki: I'm sure there's a way to make that work
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12:25.37Decode141ping operator
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12:29.59waldiDecode141: if you have a question, _ask_
12:30.22Decode141Is it just me or are the links at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/home dead?
12:30.23harshadura: green bulbs hv OPs
12:30.29Decode141All the bottom links 404 for me.
12:30.36waldiDecode141: wrong year
12:30.43Decode141IRC, mailing list, etc.
12:30.49Decode141Ah
12:31.06Decode141How'd I land up there? X_X
12:31.26harshaduraheh http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/home
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12:33.08harshaduraDecode141 srry ^ was wrong
12:33.21harshadurawat u exactly wanna knw
12:33.27Decode141I got it dw.
12:33.46harshaduraok
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12:45.10Decode141Do you ask student eligibility related questions here or is there a better pllace?
12:45.50waldiDecode141: just ask
12:49.16Decode141So, I'm an 18 year old doing an accredited Diploma in Information Technology from India. However I'm in the final semester, ie. if I clear all subjects in my examination, I'd have finished the course in July when the results come out. However, I've got a conditional admission in a UK university where I'll move to. So among all this mess, can I still participate? X_x
12:49.49waldiDecode141: did you read the faq? what date does it state?
12:49.59Decode14127th May?
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12:51.30Decode141My question is, can you change universities after the proposal submission?
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13:01.03gevaertsDecode141: if you're still at your current university on the 27th, it doesn't matter what you'll do after the summer.
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13:04.02gevaertsDecode141: one thing that might be relevant though is when exactlky you'd move to the UK. If that's still within the gsoc coding period (i.e. you do part of gsoc in the UK), you need to be allowed to work there, which will likely depend on the exact type of visa you have
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13:08.37swookit's quite odd how GSoC doesn't quite count as work, yet working must be allowed and the payment is taxed
13:08.51swookoh well, no big issue
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13:12.33kaiswook: what do you mean "doesn't count as work"?
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13:16.21swookkai: in that it's a paid work experience but there's no official employment or tie
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13:16.54swookI've had a research internship which didn't have the bureaucracy but just the funding which was not considered income but scholarship
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13:21.03Decode141Ah thanks gevaerts. But my visa there allows 20 hours of work weekly.
13:21.10Decode141Should that be sufficient? o-o
13:21.16gevaertsHmm
13:21.20gevaerts20 hours isn't a lot
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13:21.31gevaertsI'd say it all depends on when you move
13:21.38Decode141Sept 15.
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13:22.02gevaertsRight. That's *very* close to the end.
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13:22.06gevaertsYou should be fine then
13:23.08gevaertsNormally people compensate for this sort of thing by doing a bit more at other times. In your case, you'd have to make up for 20 hours or so during 11 weeks. That's *easy* :)
13:23.23swookDecode141: a UK student visa allows full time work outside of term time
13:23.23gevaertsless than two hours a week
13:23.47Decode141Yes, but I'll be in India before Sept 15, so I can work full time anyway.
13:23.48Decode141xD
13:24.08gevaertsIf I were on the organisation side of this, I'd say that one half-time week is totally negligible
13:24.10Decode141My only major doubt was like my changing unis from India to UK. :/
13:24.30Decode141Thanks a lot of your help tho. :)
13:24.39swookI'm changing countries too, wouldn't worry
13:26.00kaiswook: you're aware that there's other work that just being an employee..
13:26.36kaiswook: as far as my non-lawyer brain understood it, gsoc counts as independent contract work
13:26.49swookkai: I see
13:26.53swookwait, really?
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13:27.13kaibut you do stuff and you get paid, so I think to claim that it's "not real work" is kind of silly
13:27.26swookI never said it in the definitive kai
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13:27.50swookafterall, if I didn't think a gsoc would help my career, I wouldn't be here
13:27.54kaiyou said it doesn't count, didn't you?
13:28.13swookI said: "doesn't quite count"
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13:28.31swookand explained on enquiry that it's sentiment due to how there's no official tie or employment
13:28.38swookas in, it's just an experience on paper
13:29.15swookbut contract work... that's a new take on the programme
13:29.16harshadurakai: is it okay if we mention our gsoc work in our CVs as Contract Developer (XY org - Google), or is thr any suitable thing we could use. thanks
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13:29.40dfighterharshadura, "Student developer"
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13:30.10kaiharshadura: I think that's answered either in the faq or the student guide
13:30.26harshaduradfighter: thats right but its sound like a lil student :-)
13:30.34kaiharshadura: well...
13:31.11harshadurakai, thanks i will check it out
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13:31.28kaiswook: I'm still not sure what you expect from work if you think gsoc is 'just an experience on paper' :)
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13:32.16swookkai: no no I don't think it's just a line on a paper
13:33.14kaiswook: I mean, what do you get from a real job?
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13:35.01swookkai: the reason I've said the previous is because GSoC is (a) not an internship, (b) not an employment of any kind, something I have only learnt recently. Of course, I've known of the nature of the programme but it's new to me how it all ends up being on paper.
13:35.13swookso what I've said isn't reflective of how I value GSoC
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13:35.36swookof course, in the end it doesn't matter if something is in the employment section or work experience section or whatever
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13:39.06kaiswook: hm, in my last CV, GSoC was "related activities"
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13:40.45harshaduraswook: jz think of how limited num of students get selected for gsoc, only around 1000 from whole world, thats a big thing to mention in your future CV IMHO actually recruiters highly value gsoc, and i expierenced it twice
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13:41.12swookharshadura: again, I don't actually think gsoc is valued little. I wouldn't be here if that was the case.
13:41.34harshaduraswook: gotcha
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13:43.52dfighterswook but that's mostly because HR people are totally dumb
13:43.59dfighterthey see the word Google and they faint
13:44.15harshaduralol
13:44.29dfighterGSOC is very valueble, but not as a real world work experience
13:44.42dfighterit's valuable for the orgs because they get a full time contributor
13:44.49dfighterand valuable for the student because of the money
13:45.00swooklol gsoc doesn't pay much in any respect
13:45.04paultag+1
13:45.08paultagHiring managers often also look at free software contributions
13:45.09swookif a student wanted money, they'd go and earn money
13:45.14dfighterswook that depends on where you live :P
13:45.20paultagand GSoC is a good way to quickly become a core member of that project
13:45.32swookdfighter: yes. But I highly doubt people do it for cash
13:45.42dfighterhere in Hungary this is like almost 2x of an entire year's minimum wage
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13:45.49paultagoften times having a Free Software project on a resume will outweigh an internship
13:45.57dfighterpaultag I know
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13:46.08dfightera Google recruiter actually contacted me because of that
13:46.11paultagsince you can look at the contributions they've made to the project, whereas you can't easily tell what they did as an intern
13:46.17paultagdfighter: they spam most f/oss projects :>
13:46.17dfighterdidn't even know my name, just saw my blog and github profile
13:46.18dfighter:D
13:46.35paultagI get one to my ubuntu mail, one to my debian mail and one to my fluxbox mail :)
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13:46.52dfighternice paultag :)
13:46.57paultag:)
13:46.59harshaduradfighter: thats awesome, wat happen to that
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13:47.29dfighterharshadura, you mean the Google recruiter?
13:47.30djmitcheI'm sorry - I can't remember where to go to create a new connection for a mentor
13:47.40djmitche(in melange)
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13:48.34harshaduradfighter: no imean wat happened after that :)
13:48.47kaipaultag: I actually asked them to stop contacting me...
13:48.48harshadurajz curious
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13:49.31dfighterharshadura I said I'm only interested if they have telecommuting options or a local office where I could work, since I am unwilling and unable to relocate
13:49.42dfighterharshadura so he said if I change my mind I should contact him
13:49.49kaipaultag: I mean, I'm getting a phd in microbiology, sure I'd like to work as a sysop
13:49.56dfighterkai :D
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13:50.12harshaduradfighter: cool story, u shud be deamon coder :-)
13:50.26dfighterharshadura daemon coder?
13:50.49kaidhcpd, that needs a rewrite
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13:51.33dfighterkai I actually use that on multiple client sites :D However I don't think he meant that kinda daemon, or did he? :S
13:51.51harshaduraohh: daemon yeah sorry type
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13:51.57harshadura:)
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13:57.57paultagkai: hahaha, aye
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14:23.50naidaiSup! Tell me one interesting project and the reason why you think it is.
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14:24.23paultagnaidai: you might be better of asking that question to orgs you're interested in :)
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14:24.26paultag!anyone
14:24.26gsocbotpaultag: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://goo.gl/yxeB0
14:24.33paultagnaidai: there are some details abotu where to find the orgs there
14:25.13naidaiI'm interested in personal opinions.
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14:25.43paultagnaidai: this is a general channel for all sorts of GSoC things, like procedure, and a way for orgs to collaborage better (etc)
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14:25.57paultagnaidai: I can pitch you on my org's projects, but I don't think that's productive for either of us
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14:26.20naidaiI just wanted to hear some enthusiasm. :)
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14:26.38paultagnaidai: :)
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14:28.37naidaiAlright, I go look somewhere else. :) Have a great day, bye!
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15:04.30askyouhi
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15:06.06askyouHello !
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15:06.51meflinwhat :P
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15:07.52askyoui want to ask a  question about gsoc
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15:08.04anth_r!ask
15:08.05gsocbotanth_r: "ask" is Don't ask to ask, just ask. Also see !smartquestions.
15:08.43askyouThanks , ok  this is my question
15:08.44askyouI am a student in computer engineering that lives in Albania. I want to participate in the Google Summer of Code but i  have one problem with my street address.  Here in Albania we don't have postal address and zip code, only some old houses do. I can receive things from the post office. Can i put the post office address ad my street address. Please help me , i am a passionate computer geek and i want to participate in the Google Summmer of Code
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15:12.50kaiaskyou: well, I'd use the address you put on a letter that you want to reach you
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15:13.51askyouThank you kai :) But the problem is that there is street 1 adrees and street 2 address, is it a problem?
15:14.05vedantaskyou as kai said you should just write the address through which things reach you by mail
15:15.09askyouok , i will try it now :)  thank you guys ; you participating in gsoc?
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15:20.58kaiaskyou: I'm an admin for samba and worldforge
15:21.27askyounice :)
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15:23.36askyoukai , what  about zip code , i don't have one
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15:33.42kaiaskyou: is that a mandatory field?
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15:33.56kaiif so, talk to the #melange folks
15:34.01kaior submit a bug
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15:34.55askyouThank you very much for helping me kai , i am filling it now, let me see if is mandatory or not
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15:44.43gsocbottomprince: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline.
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16:15.59DarthCodushow do I get the formatting right in the proposal submission field?
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16:19.01tomprinceProbably by not trying to do anything complicated
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16:22.23billybobseems that we cannot update css style in the proposal
16:23.05billybobis there a 'preview' for the edited texts? afaik, we can do this last year
16:25.48CodeTabbillybob: You can't preview, but you can edit your proposal after submitting it if it's not formatted the way you wanted it.
16:26.24swookbillybob: I've noticed org members get emailed for every edit
16:26.32swookso I'd be wary about editing too much
16:26.53anth_rswook: that's a configurable setting (although on by default, IIRC)
16:27.03swookanth_r: I see
16:28.09ggherdovI just applied to google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc as a mentor for Mercurial, and at the very end (after clicking "submit") I got a "This page is inaccessible because you do not have a profile in the program at this time.". What a let down. Does it ring any bell? Am I in or not? (Xposting to #melange)
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16:38.08billybobCodeTab: thanks
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16:38.31billybobswook: oh... I haven't known that... you mean, the registered mentors ?
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16:38.49swookI believe so
16:39.10swookI only noticed because a mentor replied to the edit notification email cc-ing me
16:39.16swookand mentioning improvements
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16:41.47billybobok, thanks!
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16:47.46gsocbotlionaneesh: "next" is May 3 19:00 UTC: Student application deadline.
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16:57.10wizard_Ain the terms there was something like form<something> for US candidates and other for outside US, what is that form and its format
16:57.19wizard_Aregarding taxes
16:57.43carolswizard_A: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/studentinfo#tax
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17:02.02wizard_Acarol: our taxable income in 4,00,000 in INR in our country, also i'm a student and not a working guy...
17:02.18carolsprobably all stuff you don't want to tell people in a logged IRC channel.
17:02.27DroidBurgundy:o
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17:03.38wizard_Acarol: i'm completely new to all this plz pm me
17:03.47carolswizard_A: why not just email me?
17:04.16wizard_Athats a good choice
17:04.26carolsi agree.
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17:07.40DarthCoduswe should be notified of that profile edit email notification -.-
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17:07.58DarthCodusAnd CSS doesn't work
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17:08.09DarthCodusSo I can't even change bullets
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17:09.15swookDarthCodus: I made a Google Drive document for my proposal and merely linked to it in my proposal form. I'd ask your org what format they'd prefer and what's acceptable.
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17:10.18DarthCodusswook: I doubt they'd like that. But thanks, I'll ask :)
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17:13.23DarthCoduswhere do I change that email setting?
17:13.38DarthCodusSo that the organization isn't notified for every edit I make
17:13.55carolsDarthCodus: you can't change what notifications *they* get. only what notifications *you* get
17:14.16DarthCoduscarols: Ohk, and are they really notified for every edit I make?
17:14.31carolsthey're notified in accordance for what they've selected to be notified of.
17:14.36carolsand that could be for every edit.
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17:14.41carolssome people care about such things.
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17:15.57DroidBurgundywhew I am behind the 8 ball here, still undecided on which to apply for
17:16.01DarthCodusI've made several edits trying to get things right -.-
17:16.06DarthCoduscarols: Thanks
17:16.08carolsDarthCodus: yw
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17:19.58akif500i submitted my proposal on google-melange
17:20.14akif500so do i need to do anything else before deadline?
17:20.26carolsakif500: have you asked the org?
17:20.30limonkaI've made about 20 edits during one hour. Poor mentors :(
17:20.41akif500yeah i have discussed my prosal with orgs
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17:21.08carolsgreat
17:21.31carolslimonka: they can choose not to receive notifications. they only get them if they want to. don't pity them.
17:21.35carolsthey're getting what they want.
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17:22.09akif500i mean its still available for editting...so do I need to finalise it or the google will accept it when the deadline closes
17:22.24carolsakif500: the google doesn't care. you should ask your org what they want.
17:22.42akif500No i was talking about melange
17:22.54carolsakif500: all you need to do in melange is submit a proposal.
17:22.55swookthere isn't a finalise button afterall
17:23.00tomprinceYou can edit it up until the deadline.
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17:23.15akif500ok...thats what i meant thanks a lot :)
17:23.20carolsyw
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17:49.06weltallhi carols, do you have one minute?
17:49.11carolssure.
17:50.02carolsserves some tea and coffee
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17:51.00weltallthanks :D if a student said that he cannot know if he's able to actually able to participate to gsoc till after the declaration of accepted students, and that happens what could it bring? swap of student? or better avoiding it at all?
17:51.58carolsweltall: if the student drops out of the program during the community bonding phase *through no fault of your own* you're able to swap for another student. having said this, it's 1) difficult for me 2) difficult for the students and 3) not recommended for the program.
17:52.02carolsso really, please don't do that.
17:52.13carolsit's basically just you making my life a lot harder.
17:52.23weltallok thanks a lot :)
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17:52.30carolsyw
17:53.17carolssips some tea
17:53.25weltallgives some chocolates :D
17:53.29carolsthanks :-)
17:53.50gevaertsCan you claim it's through no fault of your own if you were told by the student this could happen though?
17:53.57gevaertsgets a cup of tea
17:54.42carolsgevaerts: yeah, you can. but then you have to accept that you knew it was possible and then come to me with that information and still ask me to do 10x the work outside of the normal program boundaries.
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17:55.16gevaertsWell yes, exactly. You'd be knowingly increasing the chances of that happening
17:55.25carolsyep.
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17:55.40carolssome people surely don't care, though. since it happens every year.
17:55.50carolsand it really makes a bad experience for the student, too. that's the worst part.
17:56.05gevaertsnods
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17:57.04meflinponders ppl who do not care
17:57.24weltallthat's why i've asked to see how to approach it:)
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17:57.57gevaertsI think many people underestimate how big gsoc is as a whole
17:58.10carolsweltall: you're not the people i'm talking about. the people i'm talking about aren't in IRC before asking about it. they just email me three days after we announce accepted students and are suddenly pushing me to swap students for them.
17:58.46weltallyeah that's not nice at all
17:58.47carolsgevaerts: i think many people think more than one person administers this program. :-P
17:58.58weltall:D
17:59.05gevaertscarols: many others don't believe you're only one person :)
17:59.14carolsindeed :-)
17:59.30meflingevaerts: I try not to think about how large it is while I'm running around in circles for a few slots
17:59.33weltalldoesn't help that there are other 2/3 during the summits to break that idea :D
17:59.44meflincarols is 7 persons in 1 boddy
17:59.50carolshaha
17:59.51carols:-)
17:59.55weltallXD
18:01.31KoushikHi.. how are the evaluations done basically?.. Does google expect the students to complete upto a specific point?.. or is it completely in the hands of mentors?
18:01.53tomprinceIt is up to the mentors/admins of the individual orgnaizations.
18:02.08KoushikOh.. Okay..
18:02.12gevaertsKoushik: basically anything apart from checking paperwork is up to the organisations
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18:02.51tomprince(and deciding # of !slots)
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18:04.02gevaertsmeant things directly involving students :)
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18:06.59dukeletoKoushik: the mentors and org admin decide if each student passes or fails. It is not up to Google
18:07.20KoushikGot it!. Thanks :)
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18:11.21schumamlseems like a series of "do you want to sign up as a mentor?" "really?" "are you totally, absolutely sure?" questions would do good for some students :)
18:11.34schumamlwith the ok buttons at different locations evwery time
18:11.46carolsschumaml: and then the mentors complain that melange has a poor UI.
18:11.55carolswe can never make everyone happy with this program.
18:12.11dukeletois a gsoc granpa. If people are complaining about the current melange UI, tell them to talk to me :)
18:12.22meflinI love students submitting as a mentor with a proposal
18:12.38dukeletohad to walk uphill both ways with no shoes to use the old melange UI in 2008. In the now.
18:12.39schumamlcarols: the do that anyway
18:12.47schumaml*theyx
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18:12.53meflinand by love it tells you who can't read directions
18:13.01carolsschumaml: so a couple years ago there were lines at the mentor summit for dinner.
18:13.06schumamlin fact, many are a bit clueless
18:13.08carolsso last year i made sure there weren't any.
18:13.14carolsand last year people complained.
18:13.21scorche|shdukeleto: werent you around for the pre-melange days too?
18:13.21dukeletos/now/snow/
18:13.28carolswhy this time? because there were no lines and so they didn't have time to talk to each other in the lines.
18:13.29scorche|shi thought you were...
18:13.34dukeletoscorche|sh: probably. Maybe I blocked that out :)
18:13.36carolspeople will complain about everything.
18:13.42meflincarols: I was very very angry and the lack of lines and the cost of the bar and and and ;)
18:13.47carolsyep
18:14.21schumamlmy problem is that I can't just drop them two easy links, like "sign up here, then become a mentor there"
18:14.23dukeletocarols: you are AMAZING and don't let anybody tell you otherwise. If anybody won't stop complaining, calmly tell them to come chat with me :)
18:14.29scorche|shcarols: obviously, there should be a line line and a no-line line!
18:14.54carolsdukeleto: thanks very much duke :-) want to talk to the folks who complained that the logo is the same this year as it was last year?
18:15.02dukeletocarols: yes.
18:15.07dukeletois a fixer
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18:15.09carolsscorche|sh: i'm very glad that you're joking :-)
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18:15.18scorche|shcarols: am i?!  ;)
18:15.24meflinshould be a toll on complaining
18:15.32gevaertsthinks scorche|sh may well be serious here
18:15.33meflin1lb of nice tea
18:15.40carolsscorche|sh: you have to be. otherwise i'd tell dukeleto to talk to you. :-)
18:15.52gevaertsIt's been a year since he was serious, and he's serious once a year
18:15.53scorche|shi greatly enjoy talking to dukeleto!
18:15.59scorche|shthough it has been a couple years...
18:16.02carolsthen you two work it out :-)
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18:16.39dukeletoscorche|sh: what are your current GPS coordinates?
18:16.41meflinaltho I have a teeny tiny complaint about MS\
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18:16.52meflinso I guess I had best to buy a pound
18:17.02scorche|shdukeleto: not near portland, i am afraid...
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18:17.40scorche|shdukeleto: let me know if you happen to travel to AZ though...
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18:22.33dukeletoscorche|sh: well, I happen to have a firehose of coffee beans powered by the USPS :)
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18:31.22Uli-cheers for carols
18:31.29carolsthanks Uli- :-)
18:31.38carolsno need to cheer, i'm just drinking tea at this point.
18:31.48Uli-cat said to do so.
18:32.11carolsyeah, she's nice
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18:32.59weltall:D
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18:41.23syscallQuestion: if someone applies to multiple projects and is accepted to them, is it possible to politely turn one down if that person does not have sufficient time to work on both?
18:41.34carolssyscall: you're not allowed to work on both.
18:41.37carolsso don't worry about it.
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18:41.49dukeletosyscall: the orgs will fight over you
18:41.54dukeletosyscall: to the death
18:41.54syscallok, so only one project per person per year
18:41.58dukeletosyscall: carols decides the winner
18:42.06syscallthanks for the quick reply
18:42.07weltallmudfight?
18:42.37carolsdukeleto: i actually changed the language on my email to indicate that if orgs can't decide between themselves I will "arbitrary choose"
18:42.45dukeletosyscall: "two org admins enter, one org admin leaves" at the gsocdome
18:42.51dukeletocarols: ah, i like that.
18:43.05dukeletocarols: will you use a D20?
18:43.17weltallgsoc: the natural selection of orgs which will remain after?
18:43.22weltall:D
18:43.23gevaertsI'd say a Cash Operated Indecision Negator is ideal for this
18:43.36dukeletogevaerts: indeed.
18:43.37carolsi decide whose nick looks more interesting to me during the deduplication meeting.
18:43.46weltallXD
18:43.46dukeletoALGORITHM REVEALED
18:43.57weltallso everyone will be named cookied and chocolates at that meeting
18:44.02weltallcookies*
18:44.06carolsmaybe it will help the orgs understand that it's in their best interest to figure it out beforehand.
18:44.33meflinhuh how do orgs know?
18:45.29dukeletomeflin: orgs should be smart enough to know they should not bother carols with that problem
18:45.34carolsyep.
18:45.38carolswhat dukeleto said.
18:46.11meflinI mean how do orgs know they have a dupe at all?
18:46.23carolsmeflin: it's displayed to them in red.
18:46.24carolson melange.
18:46.33meflinoh
18:46.33dukeletoIn practice, the smartest org admins are buddies with other org admins and some backalley student calculus happens.
18:46.34Uli-i loathe that color
18:46.40dukeletoFor the good of the community :)
18:46.48carolsUli-: would you like to complain to dukeleto about that?
18:47.05Uli-carols: it's not the color but more what it means.
18:47.29meflinwell now I know what to do this year :)
18:47.32dukeletoUli-: use greasemonkey/dotjs/etc to change the CSS/JS of arbitrary websites with your own
18:47.37carolschoosing the aspect of your complaint does not make your complaint any less a complaint.
18:47.50Uli-heh ;)
18:48.18dukeletoUli-: carols deserves constant praise and not much else. If you feel like you have a complaint, you probably don't understand something.
18:48.21dukeletoUli-: :)
18:48.42dukeletogoes back under his gsoc grandpa rock
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18:49.15gevaertsNow where do we go if we have a complaint about dukeleto? ;)
18:49.25tomprinceto dukeleto
18:49.26dukeletogevaerts: i can talk to him too ;)
18:49.28Uli-needs irony tags.
18:50.31scorche|sh/nick emperorshaddam
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18:50.44carolsUli-: have you seen the college humor article about new punctuation marks we need?
18:50.50dukeletoscorche|sh: THE SHIELD WALL!
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18:51.39scorche|shdukeleto: who needs desert power when you have Sardaukar?
18:52.28dukeletoneeds a t-shirt
18:52.32dukeletocarols: https://twitter.com/dukeleto/status/327857645648232448
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18:52.43dukeletocarols: trying to spread the good word :)
18:52.46carolsdukeleto: nice.
18:52.48carolsthanks :-)
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18:52.51dukeletocarols: and bring people up a notch
18:52.57Uli-carols: i remember having seen something like this, so yes, possibly
18:52.58carolsgood idea.
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18:53.27dukeletocarols: it needs a lot more detail, but the infrastructure of a gist is a great idea
18:53.41carolsthat's great.
18:54.00dukeletocarols: it has versional control and commenting. I just gave him feedback at the bottom :)
18:54.15carolsawesome :-)
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18:54.58swookdukeleto: Is it usually alright to link from the proposal form to a third party site like the one you've linked to?
18:55.09dukeletocarols: for orgs that use Github, i think it is a huge win
18:55.11swookI've got mine in a Google Doc document as it's what the org uses for docs
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18:55.43dukeletoswook: this is an unnofficial draft. You have to submit it to Google to make it official. Not sure about external links
18:56.01dukeletoswook: most likely, you should have all the info in the submitted proposal. If I had to guess.
18:56.18swookah I see, thanks
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18:56.34Uli-dukeleto: i gave ~30 students an intro to gsoc a week or so ago and one of them also used a gist for his proposal: https://gist.github.com/komax/28885f09c13e46aa7757
18:56.53gevaertsdukeleto: I think ideally all final proposals are in the same place, with version control
18:57.31swookgevaerts: what do you mean by 'same place'?
18:57.53gevaertsswook: melange :)
18:57.54dukeletoUli-: smart students think alike
18:58.14Uli-indeed.
18:58.32gevaertsi.e. one click away from the list of proposals, and exactly where email notifications from melange say they are
18:59.12dukeletoUli-: i gave him some feedback :)
18:59.56swookgevaerts: that does make sense, thanks
19:00.06Uli-dukeleto: not my org, but i already gave him general feedback off-line
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19:03.11Uli-dukeleto: i see you commented, cool!
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19:16.07Landonsummatusmentis: have you just, like, been idling here forever?
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19:19.15jedi_freaxHi, can any one tell me whether there is any restriction in the number of pages in a proposal?
19:19.31JordiGHShould I be able to see fellow mentors here? http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2013#participants
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19:21.10carolsJordiGH: if you're an org admin, yes.
19:21.26carols(for your org)
19:21.38JordiGHOnly then? Hm. I thought I'd be able to see who the other mentors would be even if I was not an admin.
19:21.41ojwbjedi_freax: i don't believe so, but don't go too mad
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19:22.45jedi_freaxojwb:  I won't go mad :-)
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19:38.16lyssdodhi guys, is there a method of changing the account type? somehow google thinks that I'm a mentor, but I'm a student
19:38.28carolslyssdod: contact the melange developers
19:38.51lyssdodthanks
19:39.16mawuli_ypaHi, can a student work on multiple projects?
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19:40.55tomprincelyssdod: #melange or the mailing list in the topic there.
19:41.12carolsmawuli_ypa: no
19:41.13dhaunmawuli_ypa: no
19:41.20mawuli_ypathanks
19:41.27carolsyw
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19:49.09JordiGHDon't we get this every year?
19:49.14JordiGHStudents accidentally applying as mentors?
19:49.34JordiGHIs it intentionally impossible to undo that except with admin help?
19:49.37JordiGHI suppose it is.
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19:52.10ojwbJordiGH: i believe they even tweaked the links to make it harder to do accidentally last year
19:53.42dhaunI guess it's just a case of being eager to register early, before student applications are open, and not reading properly ...
19:54.10JordiGHthe internet is tl;dr
19:55.03Zerionhi all
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19:55.18tomprinceIs there any reason to prevent people regsitering as students early?
19:55.29Zerionstudents can ask questions here?
19:55.33tomprinceYes.
19:55.37JordiGHZerion: Aye aye, sir or madam.
19:55.44Zerionsir
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19:57.21Zerionas student is possible to me to see others students applications , yes how?
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19:57.39carolsZerion: if the student has made it public they can share the url with you and you can see it.
19:57.56Zerionoh thanks
19:58.00carolsyw
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20:04.47summatusmentisLandon: yes, always
20:05.07Landonok
20:05.13summatusmentisI should maybe stop coming back
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20:05.18summatusmentisbut, you know, intertai
20:05.22summatusmentisinertia*
20:05.31LandonI thought you were going for intertainment
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20:07.35Landonsummatusmentis: I'm just going to assume the channe has been dead since I've left several years ago
20:07.37Landon:)
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20:10.20summatusmentis:)
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20:22.07bajksdhfajklsdhf!odds
20:22.07gsocbotbajksdhfajklsdhf: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead.
20:22.15bajksdhfajklsdhf!stats
20:22.15gsocbotbajksdhfajklsdhf: I have 2 registered users with 2 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
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20:22.40carolsbajksdhfajklsdhf: …and if you'd like to use the bot further please feel free to PM it.
20:22.41bajksdhfajklsdhfWhat's the command to list previous years applications and selections?
20:22.44tomprince!numapps
20:22.45gsocbottomprince: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals, of which 1212 were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted.
20:23.23bajksdhfajklsdhfokay
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20:25.54sherlock_server name of DUNE , anyone knows ?
20:26.59censorydepsherlock_ I suggest using deduction.  (sorry, couldn't help myself)
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20:27.19carolsyou made sherlock go away, censorydep :-P
20:27.34censorydepapparently!  sherlock was sensitive…
20:27.45carolsor maybe realized he/she was in the wrong channel.
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20:28.43censorydepalso possible.
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20:35.51bajksdhfajklsdhfIf I get into GSoC can I exchange my $5000 for a girlfriend?
20:36.14carolsbajksdhfajklsdhf: no, and i'd recommend that you don't talk about such things anymore or i'll have you banned
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22:40.39ravenlockcarols, hi
22:40.43carolshi ravenlock
22:40.58ravenlockhow are you?
22:41.05carolsgood, thanks. how are you?
22:41.11ravenlockdoing ok.
22:41.14ravenlockhave two minutes for a pm?
22:41.34carolssure.
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