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| 01:11.31 | Guest89107 | i have a college course that ends beginning of june. am i eligible to participate? |
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| 01:20.58 | Frankie_Freedom | Hey anybody here |
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| 01:24.28 | Frankie_Freedom | Huh |
| 01:25.24 | megha | during the gsoc period i have to stop contributing to other open source projects that i contribute ? |
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| 01:27.49 | tomprince | megha: No. |
| 01:28.23 | megha | tomprince: so i can contribute to other project simaltaneously to my gsoc one correct ? |
| 01:28.48 | tomprince | megha: The understanding is that you work full-time (~40h/wk) on whatever your gsoc project is. What you do beyond that is up to you. |
| 01:29.35 | megha | tomprince: ok got it :) |
| 01:29.46 | megha | tomprince: are you a mentor ? |
| 01:30.22 | tomprince | An admin. I'm not sure if I'll be an official mentor this year. Probably not. |
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| 01:31.17 | megha | tomprince: which org ? |
| 01:31.34 | tomprince | buildbot |
| 01:33.03 | megha | tomprince: cool :D |
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| 01:39.34 | Frankie_Freedom | So durjng the gsoc project of which i still need to apply is it like set hours or is it the the amount of time recommended |
| 01:40.32 | tomprince | The understanding is that you work full-time (~40h/wk) on whatever your gsoc project is. What you do beyond that is up to you. |
| 01:41.09 | tomprince | When those hours are also isn't important (since people are located all across the world, nothing else is really practicable) |
| 01:43.23 | anth_r | well, up to you and your mentor, really. |
| 01:43.31 | Frankie_Freedom | I see |
| 01:44.55 | ojwb | it's probably better to have a routine though |
| 01:47.05 | semmu | does gsoc participating really take the whole summer? i mean if i want to go to a festival, vacation, partying, etc., would i be able to do so? |
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| 01:50.46 | DrinkMachine | semmu: you're expected to put in 40hr a week, but they allow for vacations and such as long as you note them |
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| 01:54.07 | ojwb | semmu: doing all of those might be overkill though |
| 01:54.48 | semmu | wow, i see. i have never participated in gsoc yet, but i really want to |
| 01:55.23 | semmu | i wonder how a summer like this could be |
| 01:56.19 | semmu | and what if i finish my project before the end of summer? am i supposed to work on other things i didnt applied for? (i think so) |
| 01:57.32 | ojwb | it's good to include some "stretch goals" in your proposal for such an eventuality |
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| 02:01.47 | semmu | hmm, it makes sense |
| 02:02.04 | semmu | thanks for your help everyone |
| 02:02.07 | semmu | brb |
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| 02:03.43 | mlaatif | hi all, anyone here from ASU Engineering? |
| 02:04.01 | tomprince | !anyone | mlaatif |
| 02:04.01 | gsocbot | mlaatif: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://goo.gl/yxeB0 |
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| 06:58.21 | vijay_ | hi |
| 06:58.29 | vijay_ | anyone online? |
| 06:58.49 | vijay_ | I have some doubts regarding application to gsoc 2013 |
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| 06:59.50 | vijay_ | When can we start mailing the mentors about the idea proposed on the idea page of the organisation? |
| 07:00.18 | vijay_ | and when is the final date to do that? |
| 07:00.28 | haseeb | vijay_, now |
| 07:00.44 | vijay_ | ok |
| 07:01.01 | vijay_ | when can be the last date to do that? haseeb? |
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| 07:01.17 | |Kev| | !timeline | vijay_ |
| 07:01.17 | gsocbot | vijay_: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 |
| 07:02.21 | vijay_ | so before 21st we need to do the mailing and all? |
| 07:02.38 | vijay_ | or can we do that till the application deadline? |
| 07:03.50 | vijay_ | @kev? |
| 07:04.45 | |Kev| | There is no final date for mailing orgs, but you'll need to have your application in by the published date. |
| 07:06.36 | vijay_ | ok, Kev can you help me on this? What exactly do we need to write up to the mentors, like I have liked a particular idea proposal and what else do I need to mail them? |
| 07:07.29 | |Kev| | What you're going to say to the org is not a question someone else can answer for you. |
| 07:09.02 | vijay_ | Kev, Who can help me out with that? |
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| 08:57.29 | kai | !bugs |
| 08:57.29 | gsocbot | kai: "bugs" is http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
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| 09:11.20 | Uli- | good morning folks |
| 09:11.48 | Aayush251 | Hi |
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| 09:30.38 | gen3 | hi!! |
| 09:30.46 | Aayush251 | hey :0 |
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| 09:36.25 | ala_mages | hello |
| 09:36.32 | ala_mages | i have one question |
| 09:36.54 | ala_mages | in order to participate to the program you must be a student right? |
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| 09:37.16 | ala_mages | and you can prove it by providing an academic Transcripts of your university |
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| 09:38.08 | Aayush251 | Yeah |
| 09:38.12 | ala_mages | in case the transcript from the university is not in english can I make the translation and provide also the official one with the translated |
| 09:38.14 | ala_mages | ? |
| 09:38.40 | Aayush251 | I have no clue about that sorry |
| 09:38.46 | Aayush251 | Stay here someone might answer :) |
| 09:38.52 | ala_mages | or its needed to be an official translation ? |
| 09:38.57 | ala_mages | Aayush251: no prob thanks |
| 09:39.03 | ala_mages | yes i will wait |
| 09:39.04 | ala_mages | :) |
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| 10:39.49 | banas | Just wanted to confirm. |
| 10:39.57 | banas | Is there anything students need to do at this point? |
| 10:41.25 | weltallAnd | Can get in contact with the organization they are interested on |
| 10:41.57 | lonesword | banas, students should read read and read |
| 10:42.11 | lonesword | banas, and after that, they should think think and think |
| 10:42.27 | lonesword | banas, and somehow let the people at the organization know what you are thinking :) |
| 10:42.56 | banas | No, I meant, any formalities. Such as registrations. I'm almost done with my proposal already :) |
| 10:42.56 | lonesword | banas, this is the time students should think about which organization they are going to work for, and for which particular project |
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| 10:43.24 | lonesword | banas, As far as I know, nothing. Some organizations do have some sort of format for submitting proposals :) |
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| 10:43.56 | banas | Ok cool lonesword :) I guess mine requires me to make a wiki page, but that's later. Thanks! |
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| 10:44.10 | lonesword | banas, Good luck :) |
| 10:44.33 | banas | Thanks lonesword :) |
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| 11:33.09 | Vk__ | Hi all |
| 11:33.26 | Vk__ | can we apply to the ideas that do not have mentors? |
| 11:33.43 | Vk__ | or only those ideas that have mentors must be applied? |
| 11:34.13 | kai | Vk__: talk to the org. usually they're happy to find a mentor for an idea |
| 11:34.54 | olasd | all the more so if a student manifests interest |
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| 11:52.55 | Vk__ | thanks @kai |
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| 12:09.56 | ala_mages | hello , i have a question, in order to take part into the GSoC you need to be a student. In order to prove that you need to provide an academic transcript. If the transcript is not in english, do we need to provide an official translation with the original paper? |
| 12:10.21 | ala_mages | or we can translate ourselves? |
| 12:10.30 | ala_mages | thanks |
| 12:10.32 | ansgar | ala_mages: Last year students could just translate it themselves (at least I did). |
| 12:10.40 | dfighter | that ^^ |
| 12:11.11 | ala_mages | kewl thanks :) |
| 12:11.23 | dfighter | in fact if you have a student ID card with stamps or w/e showing you are active, you don't even need to translate |
| 12:11.25 | dfighter | just scan it |
| 12:11.30 | dfighter | that's what I did last year |
| 12:11.40 | dfighter | since the numbers are the same in English too :P |
| 12:13.04 | kai | also, google can probably find an employee who knows the language if they really want to check |
| 12:14.21 | ala_mages | dfighter: indeed that's a good idea |
| 12:14.27 | ala_mages | i did not think of it :p |
| 12:14.40 | ala_mages | kai: also that rue |
| 12:14.43 | ala_mages | true* |
| 12:14.46 | ala_mages | thanks |
| 12:14.56 | ala_mages | i will do it that way :) |
| 12:15.00 | ala_mages | cheers |
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| 12:17.42 | dfighter | well in my case they would have to ask the Zurich office for example ( I know some hungarian Phds are there ), doubt there are any in Mountain's view, but they probably have some internal mail-list or forum or whatever so it's easy |
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| 12:24.22 | kai | if only google had a program that could do translations |
| 12:25.47 | dfighter | kai it's not really reliable with hungarian, trust me :P |
| 12:25.58 | dfighter | but yea in the worst case it might be usable |
| 12:26.20 | Crofton|work | ~timeline |
| 12:26.20 | ibot | well, timeline is the GSoC 2011 timeline is at http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/timeline |
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| 12:46.28 | kai | dfighter: it's not reliable in any language I tried ;) |
| 12:46.50 | kai | going via intermediate languages is really fun.. ;) |
| 12:47.12 | dfighter | hehe |
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| 12:49.32 | fenrig | Hi |
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| 12:49.46 | fenrig | I'm here to ask some pretty complex questions about the gsoc :) |
| 12:50.27 | dfighter | hi fenrig, then ask? |
| 12:50.32 | dfighter | maybe some of us can help |
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| 12:51.03 | fenrig | Well I'm a electronics-ict student from Belgium, and I really like to participate in the gsoc. |
| 12:51.20 | dfighter | fenrig then do so! |
| 12:51.25 | fenrig | Now I understand that when you fully complete the gsoc assignment you get a stipend of 5000usd :o |
| 12:52.00 | gevaerts | That's correct, yes |
| 12:52.01 | fenrig | but here in belgium we have this fee the goverment gives for having children under some circumstances, the 5000 USD can be a problem for this :) |
| 12:52.02 | dfighter | the connections you get probably is worth more but yes |
| 12:52.12 | gevaerts | That's also correct, yes :) |
| 12:52.34 | fenrig | are there some arrangments I can make to lower this stipend? |
| 12:52.41 | dfighter | no fenrig |
| 12:52.57 | dfighter | if you participate and complete your project you get the 5k USD total |
| 12:53.13 | dfighter | you can "lower" it by not completing |
| 12:53.22 | dfighter | since you get the 5k in multiple parts |
| 12:53.53 | gevaerts | I imagine that it *might* be possible to lower it by donating a part of it to a registered charity. You need to find a tax expert to find out though |
| 12:53.59 | gevaerts | only just came up with the idea |
| 12:54.07 | gevaerts | dfighter: then you don't get the t-shirt |
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| 12:54.10 | fenrig | dfighter: I'd like to lower it but still completely achieve the goal of the project (don't want to waste possible experience and time of the organization/mentor) |
| 12:54.12 | gevaerts | So that's not an option |
| 12:54.23 | dfighter | yea gevaerts, that's also true :P |
| 12:54.40 | dfighter | fenrig there's no way to not get paid |
| 12:54.59 | gevaerts | nods |
| 12:55.13 | dfighter | there have been others asking similar questions here over the years and all were told the same |
| 12:55.17 | gevaerts | You could ask carols if you want to be really sure, but I don't think she'll like the idea |
| 12:55.53 | kai | basically everything that causes more work for carols is bad, because there's about 1200 students and one carols |
| 12:55.57 | ansgar | I would offer to get his money instead ;) |
| 12:56.05 | fenrig | :D |
| 12:56.07 | gevaerts | Actually, that's not the only possible problem you have. IIRC, (and I never *really* knew...), there's also a limit on the time you can work legally without losing benefits |
| 12:56.20 | fenrig | true that was my next question :/ |
| 12:56.27 | dfighter | sure any of us would ansgar, but legally fenrig would still get it |
| 12:56.28 | gevaerts | But again, I don't really know the details |
| 12:56.33 | dfighter | and would have to pay taxes for it |
| 12:56.46 | kai | well, but gsoc is contracting work, I'm not sure there's a fixed time component involved |
| 12:56.57 | gevaerts | dfighter: *taxes* aren't the problem as such. It's losing benefits |
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| 12:57.19 | dfighter | I know gevaerts, that was just an example for why it was a bad idea :P |
| 12:57.38 | kai | I'm not sure how belgian laws deal with this, but I think this is contracting where you get the money for bringing the deliverable, not for time spent |
| 12:57.39 | fenrig | Actually if I can get a example contract then I can further investiguate this with some govermental organization like "student@work" |
| 12:58.09 | gevaerts | Right. That's the best thing to do, I suspect |
| 12:58.26 | kai | fenrig: I think the only "contract" you get is the terms of service |
| 12:58.32 | gevaerts | hasn't ever been a student in gsoc, so he can't help much with example paperwork |
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| 12:59.16 | kai | I don't remember ever signing a contract |
| 12:59.46 | dfighter | kai that's because there isn't one to sign |
| 12:59.53 | kai | apart from clicking "I accept" on the ToS |
| 13:00.20 | kai | I had to sign a lot of tax documents in 2005 |
| 13:00.43 | gevaerts | suspects many students simply don't bother figuring out these things and hope nobody notices |
| 13:01.33 | kai | I actually checked, and was below the limits in germany at that time |
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| 13:01.49 | kai | but then, in the olden days we only got $4.5k |
| 13:02.25 | fenrig | :) |
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| 13:02.40 | fenrig | okay thx I'll take a look at the ToS |
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| 13:03.47 | kai | and we had to whip the hamsters to produce enough power for the computers all the time |
| 13:05.00 | ansgar | dfighter: I'm not sure. As far as I know there are tax saving constructs that work that way: all payments go to $company (which you own), you get a free loan from your company -> no income to tax. |
| 13:06.12 | dfighter | ansgar but then that would count as revenue for the company, and they would have to pay revenue taxes ( if there is such in said country ) after it, wouldn't they? |
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| 13:06.46 | kai | I'd be wary of IRC tax advice ;) |
| 13:07.20 | ansgar | dfighter: You locate $company in the right country. But I don't know much about it besides having read about it in some article. |
| 13:07.39 | dfighter | ansgar like Cyprus? :D |
| 13:07.52 | dfighter | kai yea we're just chatting, neither of us is a tax expert ofc |
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| 13:10.29 | fenrig | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/student_agreement I found this :) |
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| 13:11.20 | ala_mages | thanks for the info guys cheers |
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| 13:11.49 | kai | fenrig: yeah, that's the one |
| 13:18.31 | fenrig | :D I'm just gonna participate, I'm gonna investigate if it would be financially viable to particapte to the gsoc. But I can always try to do some networking without being payed for it. Though I'll have to find another job in the summer :/ so my time will be more "limited" |
| 13:18.44 | fenrig | Big thanks for helping me out ;-) |
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| 15:39.43 | diadara | Hi. A student can submit upto 5 proposals. Can he give preference order for these projects? |
| 15:41.37 | billybob | you won't have enough time to prepare 5 |
| 15:41.49 | billybob | try 2, at most |
| 15:42.41 | diadara | okay. that's fine. but, can I prefer one over other? |
| 15:43.12 | OsakaFoo | diadara: There is no way to indicate your preference, that I know of. |
| 15:43.20 | billybob | I suppose this should be up to the organizations |
| 15:43.24 | tomprince | The assumption is you will be happpy doing any of them. You can specify a preference, but it won't necesarily be taken into account. |
| 15:43.42 | diadara | okay thanks. |
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| 15:48.45 | swook | diadara: remember that you apply directly to organisations with specific proposals and ideas |
| 15:49.01 | swook | It would be kinda rude to tell one: "Hey, you're my second choice" |
| 15:49.34 | gevaerts | I'd say the best option is to tell your preferred one |
| 15:49.43 | gevaerts | Don't say anything to the others :) |
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| 15:49.46 | swook | :) |
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| 15:50.27 | diadara | suppose a guy is selected by both the organisations he applied for. who and how will they decide which project to be alloted to student? |
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| 15:50.47 | gevaerts | The organisations decide |
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| 15:50.56 | gevaerts | They also get to decide *how* they decide |
| 15:50.57 | thiago | there will be a session for the organisations to "fight it out" |
| 15:51.13 | thiago | they may ask the student, or one of them might say "we really, really need this" |
| 15:51.19 | gevaerts | Yes, but that's really only for cases where things couldn't be worked out earlier |
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| 15:52.54 | semmu | hi everyone! does anyone know something about the tax/fee in hungary? how much the government cuts off? i googled a lot but it seems like hungarians arent very active in gsoc, therefore i couldnt find any reliable information... |
| 15:53.38 | gevaerts | semmu: your best bet is to ask a local tax expert |
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| 15:57.22 | semmu | hmm, i will, but i thought i would ask here too, maybe somebody know. thanks anyway! |
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| 15:59.21 | iamcool1 | i have already involved in a project.. over 3-4 months.. got committer rights too... how much chances r there for me to get accpeted in gsoc |
| 15:59.45 | lionaneesh | iamcool1: How are we supposed to know? |
| 15:59.46 | patrickg | depends on the project |
| 16:00.01 | iamcool1 | just in general |
| 16:00.05 | blast007 | iamcool1: ask the organization you're working with ;) |
| 16:00.09 | gevaerts | !odds | iamcool1 |
| 16:00.10 | gsocbot | iamcool1: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
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| 16:01.02 | iamcool1 | should I be asking directly the community ?? |
| 16:01.16 | iamcool1 | that would be too rough.. |
| 16:01.34 | kai | iamcool1: I'd estimate your chances are 0 <= p <= 1 |
| 16:01.43 | kai | give or take a few |
| 16:01.46 | iamcool1 | :) |
| 16:01.49 | gevaerts | Well, we can't know how specific organisations rank proposals |
| 16:02.43 | gevaerts | They might want to prioritise new blood, in which case being a committer seriously reduces your chances, or they might prioritise code, in which case a pre-existing track record will help |
| 16:04.32 | gevaerts | You should talk to them about your proposal anyway |
| 16:05.02 | iamcool1 | talk is underproposal.. they said its very good idea.. |
| 16:05.32 | iamcool1 | the thing is that.. if I am sure to get in gsoc.. if wont be putting other commitments in that time |
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| 16:29.24 | yogev_ezra | !next |
| 16:29.26 | gsocbot | yogev_ezra: "next" is (#1) April 22 19:00 UTC: Student application period opens., or (#2) April 19th 18:00 UTC: Rejected org feedback meeting |
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| 16:29.55 | yogev_ezra | I think that (#2) is not correct, I got a rejection e-mail that stated 16:00 UTC. Was it changed? |
| 16:30.09 | gevaerts | looks |
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| 16:30.56 | gevaerts | !learn next as April 19th 16:00 UTC: Rejected org feedback meeting |
| 16:30.56 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "next" is (#1) April 22 19:00 UTC: Student application period opens., or (#2) April 19th 18:00 UTC: Rejected org feedback meeting, or (#3) April 19th 16:00 UTC: Rejected org feedback meeting |
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| 16:31.03 | gevaerts | !forget next 2 |
| 16:31.03 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "next" is (#1) April 22 19:00 UTC: Student application period opens., or (#2) April 19th 16:00 UTC: Rejected org feedback meeting |
| 16:31.23 | yogev_ezra | gevaerts: good |
| 16:31.30 | gevaerts | It says 16:00 UTC in the email I got |
| 16:33.40 | yogev_ezra | Also on melange website in the calendar it's 9:00 PST |
| 16:34.06 | yogev_ezra | But it was a nice trick to make the other competitors come late :-) |
| 16:34.45 | gevaerts | always wonders why those Californians whisper all summer :) |
| 16:35.01 | gevaerts | Or all the time, actually |
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| 17:02.31 | Uli- | good evening my fellow gsoc enthusiasts. |
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| 17:04.34 | aps | good evening Uli- :) |
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| 17:10.58 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 17:11.28 | manugupt1 | accepts some coffe from carols and thanks her |
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| 17:17.30 | carols | you're welcome manugupt1 |
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| 17:21.18 | yogev_ezra | carols: Hi, where can I read about the queuing process for tomorrow's meeting? |
| 17:21.38 | carols | yogev_ezra: kblin said he'd post a little bit on the gsocbot. let's see if he's around? |
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| 17:25.09 | yogev_ezra | carols: Bah webchat crashed so haven't seen your answer if it was given :-( |
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| 17:25.22 | carols | kblin: you around? |
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| 18:23.43 | chro | when is the deadline for students application? Apr 22? |
| 18:25.12 | haseeb | !timeline | chro |
| 18:25.13 | gsocbot | chro: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 |
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| 18:26.40 | chro | where can I discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations? |
| 18:27.09 | hereticgod | !timeline |
| 18:27.09 | gsocbot | hereticgod: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 |
| 18:28.27 | tomprince | chro: It depends on the project. |
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| 18:40.10 | brlcad | chro: go to where that mentoring organization talks |
| 18:40.21 | chro | ok |
| 18:40.22 | brlcad | for BRL-CAD, we talk on #brlcad and on our developer mailing list |
| 18:40.30 | brlcad | others have a forum |
| 18:40.43 | brlcad | some even talk in person (phone, video chat, etc) |
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| 18:55.48 | chro | is there any organization working on big data? |
| 18:55.53 | chro | and no sql data stores |
| 18:55.56 | chro | or dataflows |
| 18:55.59 | chro | data-intensive computation |
| 18:56.48 | Aayush|Away | I have no idea |
| 18:57.26 | tierra | the Apache Software Foundation is, which may include Hadoop-related projects |
| 18:57.52 | rihnapstor | chro: there is mongoDB ! but dont know which org ! |
| 18:58.24 | tierra | yeah, probably a couple projects in there using mongoDB |
| 18:59.04 | chro | ok, I will try to find them |
| 18:59.09 | sumanah | hi chro - have you already done some keyword searches at https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2013 ? |
| 18:59.18 | chro | yes |
| 18:59.55 | sumanah | btw chro you might also want to skim https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:GSoC which is semi-related but not quite what you are aiming at |
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| 19:00.51 | chro | thanks |
| 19:01.18 | Aayush|Away | Hey sumanah :) |
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| 19:01.48 | sumanah | :) |
| 19:02.06 | sumanah | btw, I have been a GSoC mentor & org admin in case any aspiring students have questions |
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| 19:03.21 | scorche|sh | sumanah: the great thing about this channel is that there are quite a few people who meet those qualifications too ;) |
| 19:03.34 | sumanah | true |
| 19:03.43 | sumanah | I am specifically saying that I am open for questions right now |
| 19:04.09 | sumanah | sometimes a somewhat shy student needs to hear that in order to feel ok asking a question |
| 19:04.39 | sumanah | so I encourage other mentors to also explicitly speak up once in a while and say "hey, anyone got a question? I have a few min right now" |
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| 20:06.58 | musicrem | Does anyone know if there are projects which support the use Dart language? |
| 20:07.32 | carols | musicrem: have you tried searching the orgs list's tags for dart? |
| 20:09.16 | musicrem | Yes. 0 results. |
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| 20:10.28 | blecam | hi! |
| 20:10.48 | sumanah | hi blecam |
| 20:10.55 | carols | musicrem: then you might want to try reaching out to the orgs you were already planning to approach, mentioning in your introduction/discussions with them that you're also interested in dart, and go from there. maybe you'll get some bites. maybe you won't. but at least you'll have tried and you'll still be on the path to working with those orgs you're interested in. |
| 20:10.58 | carols | hi blecam |
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| 20:11.10 | LekS | hi, are you new to gsoc? |
| 20:11.31 | blecam | Yes, totally new to gsoc! |
| 20:11.43 | carols | blecam: cool, welcome :-) glad you're here. |
| 20:12.16 | blecam | I just had a question concerning project that are not related to organization in the list of accepted organization. |
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| 20:12.44 | carols | blecam: sure, you mean a research project? |
| 20:12.47 | carols | or something else? |
| 20:13.13 | blecam | Yes exactly, a ressearch project! (my english is not perfect yet :) ) |
| 20:13.36 | carols | blecam: ok, so you are already working on one or plan to work on one at your university and have an advisor who'd like to mentor you? |
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| 20:14.15 | blecam | I'm working on the parallelization of the Nasa software named Stereo Pipeline, that is open source, along with my computer science professor. He offered me to stay on campus on summer to work on it but I can't afford it |
| 20:14.30 | blecam | so I figured out that would a good project to work on as part of the Google Summer of Code |
| 20:14.45 | carols | blecam: ok, so then if you wanted to use that as your gsoc project you'd need to apply under the open source programs office umbrella when the applications window opens. |
| 20:14.48 | thiago | you'd probably apply to Google as your mentoring organisation |
| 20:15.19 | blecam | Ok, here is my main question, is that a receivable project? |
| 20:16.09 | carols | blecam: well, whether it gets chosen or not is up to us, but in terms of the structure, it sounds like it's suited for the OSPO application umbrella. |
| 20:18.07 | blecam | Allright, this is exactly what I wanted to know. I will talk about it with my professor. I suppose you require more informations on the project, what else would you find relevant along with the introduction and explanation of the project, the timeline, the goal? |
| 20:19.51 | carols | yes, please :-) |
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| 20:22.58 | blecam | and also, would you have any research project application example in order for me to have an idea of the type of informations you expect, thanks |
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| 20:24.49 | carols | blecam: i would recommend you use the sample proposals from the student manual and simply modify the format to include your university's name and your university advisor's contact information. |
| 20:25.19 | blecam | Great, thank you. I'll come back if I need help. Have a good day |
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| 20:34.24 | blecam | Oups, I remebered |
| 20:34.38 | blecam | Oups I remembered two questions I forgot :) |
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| 20:35.35 | sumanah | Go ahead |
| 20:35.38 | carols | blecam: sure, how can i help? |
| 20:35.50 | blecam | 1) I'm a french student in the US right now, but will be living in France during the GSOC, the faq states that it depends on the country i will live in, but my school accreditation will be us school |
| 20:36.45 | carols | blecam: the accreditation depends on the university, not the country you live in. i simply provide guidelines on accreditation methods in different countries because everyone does it differently. |
| 20:36.54 | carols | if your university is accredited in the us you're fine. |
| 20:37.53 | blecam | good, i was just worried about the fact that i would have to get a cpt to be able to do the GSOC |
| 20:38.21 | carols | blecam: we're happy to provide you a cpt of you need one. |
| 20:38.24 | carols | *if |
| 20:39.50 | blecam | if I live in France this summer, but my school is in the US, I don't need to get a CPT. This is where I am confused and want to make sure I'm doing right |
| 20:40.15 | carols | blecam: well, if you know you don't need a cpt then don't ask us for one :-) |
| 20:40.19 | carols | one less letter i need to write. |
| 20:40.44 | blecam | I was not sure about it, but glad to reduce your work task :) |
| 20:40.52 | carols | :-) |
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| 20:41.52 | blecam | Allright, here is my second question. Does my mentor for my research project have to apply now or will I add his application along with my proposal application? |
| 20:42.33 | carols | blecam: by "apply" you mean sign up for a profile? |
| 20:42.42 | carols | because he doesn't apply, you do. |
| 20:43.47 | blecam | Yes I mean, having to sign up for a profile before the mentors deadline. I'll take care of the paperwork, that sounds great :) |
| 20:44.29 | carols | blecam: it would be nice if he signed up for a profile before may 27. but even if he doesn't it's not the end of the world, i can list myself as your mentor if we're choosing to accept you and have him sign up for a profile after that. |
| 20:45.11 | ojwb | there isn't a cut-off on mentor sign up (sometimes an org might need to sign up a replacement if a mentor becomes unavailable) |
| 20:45.36 | blecam | Allright, got it :) |
| 20:45.56 | blecam | Do you have an ideas on how many students apply? |
| 20:46.04 | carols | blecam: for the oslo umbrella? |
| 20:46.07 | carols | ospo |
| 20:46.26 | blecam | umbrella and general |
| 20:46.45 | carols | if you mean generally, there's a blog post about that on the google open source blog. |
| 20:46.59 | carols | if you mean to the ospo umbrella i'd need to check the numbers from last year. |
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| 20:55.46 | carols | scorche: you around? |
| 20:55.53 | scorche|sh | carols: i am |
| 20:55.57 | carols | pm? |
| 20:56.02 | scorche|sh | sure |
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| 21:04.30 | shivshnkr | i am confused choosing a project |
| 21:04.54 | carols | shivshnkr: sure, how can we help? |
| 21:06.11 | shivshnkr | carols: can i know on what basis do i get selected? |
| 21:06.28 | carols | shivshnkr: it's up to the organization to choose their selection criteria. |
| 21:06.34 | carols | have you reached out to them to ask? |
| 21:06.48 | shivshnkr | carols: how to ask them? |
| 21:07.00 | carols | shivshnkr: use their contact info listed on their melange homepage. |
| 21:08.33 | shivshnkr | carols: well mailing list and irc is you talk about? |
| 21:08.55 | carols | shivshnkr: yes, if that's their preferred contact method. |
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| 21:09.38 | shivshnkr | carols: i want to basically do an android project |
| 21:09.57 | carols | cool :-) |
| 21:10.00 | carols | that's great. |
| 21:10.53 | shivshnkr | i had found catroid so far |
| 21:11.01 | paultag | \o/ catroid |
| 21:11.08 | paultag | shivshnkr: we have an android project in Debian this year |
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| 21:11.16 | paultag | we've not taged it well [yet] |
| 21:11.33 | shivshnkr | no tutorials for catroid |
| 21:11.42 | paultag | the catroid dudes are amazing |
| 21:12.04 | shivshnkr | paultag: debian project, let me check |
| 21:12.08 | carols | paultag: no ladies on the team? that's a shame. |
| 21:12.15 | paultag | carols: none that I've met |
| 21:12.19 | carols | too bad. |
| 21:12.22 | paultag | carols: so, I can't attest to their awesome-ness. |
| 21:12.25 | paultag | Yeah, it really is. |
| 21:12.25 | carols | too common in open source. |
| 21:12.29 | paultag | very true. |
| 21:12.45 | paultag | We're actually using the GSoC orga money to do an OPW slot in Debian |
| 21:12.45 | carols | well, too common in businesses and organizations at large, really. |
| 21:12.47 | paultag | which is going to be great. |
| 21:12.52 | paultag | really looking forward to that |
| 21:12.55 | sumanah | paultag: GENIUS |
| 21:12.56 | carols | cool, glad to hear it paultag :-) |
| 21:13.01 | paultag | sumanah: Thanks! :) |
| 21:13.36 | sumanah | how many slots did Debian get last year? |
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| 21:13.43 | paultag | sumanah: 13, ISTR, but that may be off by a few |
| 21:13.47 | paultag | can't remember if that was pass or total |
| 21:13.49 | sumanah | nod |
| 21:13.56 | shivshnkr | carols: do we need to suggest proposals? |
| 21:14.17 | carols | shivshnkr: suggest project ideas to the organizations, you mean? |
| 21:14.42 | shivshnkr | carols: yes, does this increase my possibility of being selected? |
| 21:15.02 | carols | shivshnkr: actually, quite the opposite. i'd suggest you look at their ideas page and suggest something you'd like to work on from there. |
| 21:15.31 | sumanah | shivshnkr: have you already read http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ ? |
| 21:15.41 | shivshnkr | carols: yes i have read |
| 21:16.20 | gevaerts | Your own idea *can* work well, but don't spend time on proposing things not on the ideas list without seriously discussing them first with the organisation |
| 21:16.38 | shivshnkr | gevaerts: very true |
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| 21:16.53 | shivshnkr | we dont have that time left now |
| 21:17.12 | carols | shivshnkr: you've got time for anything. |
| 21:17.18 | carols | applications haven't even opened yet. |
| 21:17.23 | carols | seize the diem! |
| 21:17.25 | carols | or something. |
| 21:17.56 | gevaerts | Something about fish, I think :) |
| 21:18.02 | carols | ah, yes. |
| 21:18.03 | shivshnkr | carols: what i need to do now, choose my project and then? |
| 21:18.04 | carols | that was it. |
| 21:18.22 | gevaerts | shivshnkr: work on your proposal |
| 21:18.23 | carols | shivshnkr: what you need to do now is start talking to organizations you'd like to work with. |
| 21:18.36 | carols | and then look at their ideas pages, and then start to formulate some ideas. |
| 21:18.40 | carols | and go from there. |
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| 21:19.38 | shivshnkr | carols: on what basis do they select, again my basic ques |
| 21:19.45 | carols | shivshnkr: you have to ask them. |
| 21:19.55 | shivshnkr | carols: does their criteria involve bug solving |
| 21:20.15 | carols | we're very careful about not being prescriptive to the organizations about much of anything. it's far too constraining given how many orgs participate from so many different spheres. |
| 21:20.21 | carols | shivshnkr: it may. ask them. |
| 21:22.18 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 21:22.55 | gevaerts | has some tea with the fish |
| 21:23.16 | carols | that sounds…more exotic than i'm ready for. |
| 21:23.42 | gevaerts | It's the fish of the day, like you said! |
| 21:24.21 | carols | right :-) |
| 21:24.35 | diadara | hey,how are the slots alotted for each org,based on number of applications ? |
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| 21:25.08 | carols | diadara: that. and a lot of other factors too. |
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| 21:26.55 | dukeleto | carols: is that brewpony coffee you are serving? ;) |
| 21:27.04 | carols | dukeleto: indeed it is! |
| 21:27.08 | dukeleto | swoons |
| 21:27.15 | carols | posted a nice pic of my current shipment on plus yesterday :-) |
| 21:27.19 | carols | thanks dukeleto :-) |
| 21:27.32 | dukeleto | carols: the least I can do |
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| 21:27.59 | dukeleto | has been trying to spread the word about GSoC on the twitterwebs |
| 21:28.09 | carols | thanks very much, dukeleto :-) |
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| 21:28.14 | carols | hope it's going well. |
| 21:29.01 | dukeleto | carols: thanks! GSoC has me excited, as always. A ton students have wandered into #parrot and lots of activity has started :) |
| 21:29.20 | carols | awesome :-) |
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| 21:30.10 | Arthur_D | same here, we've gotten so many promising students we really want to get hold of three slots if at all possible ;) |
| 21:32.14 | dukeleto | carols: is there a cut-off date for people volunteering to mentor for an org this year? |
| 21:32.23 | dukeleto | carols: sorry if I missed it on the timeline. It is not clear to me. |
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| 21:33.13 | carols | dukeleto: the only soft cutoff date would be the point when we start deduplication because orgs have to have accepted all their desired students by then and that requires having a mentor assigned. |
| 21:33.22 | carols | but you could assign a mentor to a student at any time you wanted, really |
| 21:34.09 | dukeleto | carols: yes, parrot tries to assign at least 2 and maybe more mentors to a student |
| 21:34.40 | dukeleto | carols: thanks, that answers my question! |
| 21:34.53 | carols | you're welcome :-) |
| 21:35.33 | Arthur_D | only thing is, we're a new org so I guess we'll get two slots at most |
| 21:37.52 | dukeleto | Arthur_D: which org are you with? |
| 21:38.04 | Arthur_D | SuperTuxKart |
| 21:38.49 | gevaerts | remembers when TuxKart was new-ish! |
| 21:38.59 | gevaerts | Weird to think of you as "new" :) |
| 21:39.16 | Arthur_D | yeah. TuxKart is old :) |
| 21:40.01 | gevaerts | Wasn't SuperTuxKart one of the results of this "game of the month" idea on the happypenguin forums? |
| 21:40.07 | Arthur_D | this year GSoC fit with various schedules, including release schedules very well |
| 21:40.09 | gevaerts | 's memory is getting vague... |
| 21:40.10 | Arthur_D | yep |
| 21:40.28 | Arthur_D | they did some months work on it |
| 21:40.34 | Arthur_D | but then it died off |
| 21:40.45 | gevaerts | nods |
| 21:40.51 | Arthur_D | and our current leader stepped in :) |
| 21:41.13 | Arthur_D | from then on it's going steadily forward |
| 21:41.35 | gevaerts | Good to hear! It's too nice a game to be neglected... |
| 21:42.02 | Arthur_D | agreed, but I'm very biased ;) |
| 21:43.06 | gevaerts | There are no unbiased people in this channel :) |
| 21:43.12 | gevaerts | (well, except carols) |
| 21:43.28 | Arthur_D | we'll get students to work on a couple things needed for network play ;) |
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| 21:45.08 | carols | i'm very biased |
| 21:45.15 | carols | what are we being biased about? |
| 21:45.34 | Arthur_D | SuperTuxKart being great ;) |
| 21:45.43 | Arthur_D | so we need three slots ;) |
| 21:46.01 | gevaerts | Well, I was being more general. Relative greatness of organisations :) |
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| 21:47.21 | Arthur_D | and you call yourself biased! :P |
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| 21:47.50 | gevaerts | I represent an organisation on my off days! :) |
| 21:48.07 | Arthur_D | hehe |
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| 23:35.41 | IsharaComix | So right now, the mentoring organizations have been chosen, and they are picking out their mentors. Students can't apply until 4/22, right? |
| 23:38.48 | tierra | IsharaComix: correct, but students should at least be jumping in and getting a headstart by proposing projects on community mailing lists and forums |
| 23:39.01 | tierra | getting involved in discussions, etc... |
| 23:39.59 | tierra | and probably should (depending on the org requirements) be submitting a couple patches to show they know what they are doing |
| 23:40.13 | IsharaComix | tierra, thanks! Yeah, I took care of that a while back trying to poke orgs to apply in the first place. :3 |
| 23:40.27 | tierra | excellent |
| 23:40.46 | IsharaComix | I wish EdX would have applied. :/ |
| 23:41.17 | IsharaComix | (or rather, got accepted, since they very well could have!) |
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