| 00:00.23 | Guest71529 | raul b l fonseca raiogam@hotmail.com irc not yet I am student of computer science to put in the work to escription yes I already created a progam which is a blue print of a processor in the machine slinging no, never before was the summer of code yes, my English is fluent, but only write bad ,can read and write(fluent) German, English, Japanese, French, Italian, latin, spanish, Portuguese, machine code,python,pascal,c++,assemble,bas |
| 00:00.27 | Guest71529 | raul b l fonseca raiogam@hotmail.com irc not yet I am student of computer science to put in the work to escription yes I already created a progam which is a blue print of a processor in the machine slinging no, never before was the summer of code yes, my English is fluent, but only write bad ,can read and write(fluent) German, English, Japanese, French, Italian, latin, spanish, Portuguese, machine code,python,pascal,c++,assemble,bas |
| 00:00.33 | Guest71529 | raul b l fonseca raiogam@hotmail.com irc not yet I am student of computer science to put in the work to escription yes I already created a progam which is a blue print of a processor in the machine slinging no, never before was the summer of code yes, my English is fluent, but only write bad ,can read and write(fluent) German, English, Japanese, French, Italian, latin, spanish, Portuguese, machine code,python,pascal,c++,assemble,bas |
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| 00:00.34 | JZA | flood alert |
| 00:00.35 | Guest71529 | raul b l fonseca raiogam@hotmail.com irc not yet I am student of computer science to put in the work to escription yes I already created a progam which is a blue print of a processor in the machine slinging no, never before was the summer of code yes, my English is fluent, but only write bad ,can read and write(fluent) German, English, Japanese, French, Italian, latin, spanish, Portuguese, machine code,python,pascal,c++,assemble,bas |
| 00:00.39 | ericmj | wow |
| 00:00.39 | Guest71529 | raul b l fonseca raiogam@hotmail.com irc not yet I am student of computer science to put in the work to escription yes I already created a progam which is a blue print of a processor in the machine slinging no, never before was the summer of code yes, my English is fluent, but only write bad ,can read and write(fluent) German, English, Japanese, French, Italian, latin, spanish, Portuguese, machine code,python,pascal,c++,assemble,bas |
| 00:00.49 | Corey | Guest71529: Whoa. |
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| 00:01.06 | Corey | Guest71529: Spamming is *not* smart. |
| 00:01.07 | Guest71529 | because my project is enquada these conditions opensource My project is to create hmdlS: human made digital livespawm...um "progama sentient, or semi-sentient, computer program with artificial intelligence designed to be an assistant for the operator is transferred to that device and may roam around it, affecting programs contained in that device as required, and moving through that device to any other devices connected to it, such |
| 00:01.21 | Guest71529 | spam |
| 00:02.38 | Guest71529 | bman made digital livespawm...um "progama sentient, or semi-sentient, computer program with artificial intelligence designed to be an assistant for the operator is transferred to that device and may roam around it, affecting programs contained in that device as required, and moving through that device to any other devices connected to it, such as moving from a specific computer |
| 00:02.53 | Corey | Guest71529: Stop pasting the same thing over and over please. |
| 00:03.00 | Guest71529 | My project is to create hmdlS: human made digital livespawm...um "progama sentient, or semi-sentient, computer program with artificial intelligence designed to be an assistant for the operator is transferred to that device and may roam around it, affecting programs contained in that device as required, and moving through that device to any other devices connected to it, such as moving from a specific computer to the larger Internet. |
| 00:03.01 | ChrisOelmueller | kai: around? |
| 00:03.17 | ChrisOelmueller | kblin: ^ |
| 00:03.18 | Guest71529 | lol |
| 00:03.27 | Corey | ChrisOelmueller: Help you with something? :-) |
| 00:03.34 | Guest71529 | human made digital livespawm...um "progama sentient, or semi-sentient, computer program with artificial intelligence designed to be an assistant for the operator is transferred to that device and may roam around it, affecting programs contained in that device as required, and moving through that device to any other devices connected to it, such as moving from a specific computer to the larger Internet. In addition,progam may functio |
| 00:03.44 | ChrisOelmueller | definitely, yes |
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| 00:03.50 | ojwb | Corey: please |
| 00:04.07 | ChrisOelmueller | that works too, thanks :) |
| 00:04.11 | Corey | No worries. |
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| 00:05.21 | ojwb | Corey: thanks - you appeared quickly, is there some sort of alert for that behaviour? |
| 00:05.41 | dfighter | that program doesn't seem sentient enough for me, if all it can do is flood the channel.... |
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| 00:06.22 | Corey | ojwb: I'm a wizard. |
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| 00:07.43 | ajinkya | i thought only ops could do that |
| 00:07.58 | Corey | ajinkya: Do what? |
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| 00:08.27 | ajinkya | change channel mode |
| 00:08.34 | Corey | ajinkya: /whois Corey |
| 00:09.03 | Corey | Freenode staff are on the channel ACL. :-) |
| 00:09.14 | ajinkya | ah...righto |
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| 00:14.49 | dfhearyqetreteqr | i |
| 00:15.19 | Corey | dfhearyqetreteqr: Please contribute constructively. :-) |
| 00:16.34 | dfhearyqetreteqr | ta Qi1 gordão chupador de pau |
| 00:17.35 | Corey | *sigh* |
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| 00:17.45 | Corey | I guess not. |
| 00:18.12 | Corey | Ah well, I'll pull that one in a day or so. |
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| 00:47.48 | anth_r | huh. we just got a spammy "connection" request in Melange that sounds an awful lot like that GuestNNN guy that just got banned. |
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| 01:08.59 | kdot | Hey everyone, I have a couple of questions |
| 01:09.34 | kdot | 1) What is the procedure for the student proposal's approval? Who evaluates it and such? |
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| 01:10.18 | kdot | 2) What kindof work does Google expect us to do during GSoC? What amount is considered as "enough" work for a GSoC? |
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| 01:12.40 | kdot | ojwb: ^ :) |
| 01:13.35 | dfighter | consider it a full time job, so 40 hours / week |
| 01:13.43 | dfighter | and organizations do the evaluating |
| 01:14.02 | dfighter | Google just organizes and funds the program |
| 01:15.10 | kdot | dfighter: since I haven't worked as a developer before, I don't know how much work (maybe in Source Lines of Code? or patches?) that implies |
| 01:15.18 | anth_i | And runs the all-important mentor's summit! |
| 01:15.38 | kdot | anth_i: What's the mentor's summit? |
| 01:16.01 | dfighter | kdot that depends on the project you will be working on |
| 01:16.26 | dfighter | I mean if it's about researching algorithms it's hard to measure it with LOCs |
| 01:16.44 | dfighter | on the other hand if it's almost purely coding |
| 01:17.02 | dfighter | altough I doubt anyone would actually count the LOCs for you and evaluate you based on that |
| 01:17.09 | dfighter | the point is that you get the job done |
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| 01:17.41 | kdot | dfighter: so what you're saying is that the organisation and the applicant must come to a decision about what is considered enough ? :) |
| 01:18.08 | ChrisOelmueller | your proposal ideally contains deliverables by which to measure progress |
| 01:18.14 | dfighter | indeed |
| 01:18.14 | kdot | dfighter: Okay. "get the job done" sounds right. :) |
| 01:18.17 | ChrisOelmueller | and which were talked through with the org in question |
| 01:18.40 | anth_r | kdot: requirements by org will differ, but generally the proposal will be expected to describe the amount of work you're thinking about putting in and what the specific deliverables are. |
| 01:19.01 | anth_r | many orgs will let you know if they think your work estimate is out of whack. |
| 01:19.16 | anth_r | "out of whack" meaning "unrealistic". |
| 01:21.31 | kdot | anth_r: okay. so is that what are the midway evaluation and final evaluation for ? |
| 01:22.00 | kdot | something akin to a checklist of my deliverables? |
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| 01:25.33 | anth_r | the evaluations are to make sure you're on track. |
| 01:25.49 | anth_r | to make sure you're putting the work in, haven't gotten stuck on something, and so on. |
| 01:27.59 | kdot | anth_r: Are the mentors supposed to provide technical help, if I get stuck on a problem ? or do they simply suggest resources or point me to the correct people to talk to? or are they not obliged to provide any technical help as part of their job? |
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| 01:29.25 | anth_r | they are expected to provide help, although what form that takes is between the mentor and student. |
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| 01:33.06 | kdot | Okay. anth_r , dfighter , ChrisOelmueller Thanks for your time and help . You guys are awesome ! |
| 01:33.15 | ChrisOelmueller | "obliged" and "job" is rough terminology there |
| 01:33.39 | ChrisOelmueller | you'll probably learn that with open source folks it really is kind of different |
| 01:33.50 | kdot | ChrisOelmueller: sorry, I really didn't mean it like that. I just couldn't figure out politer terminology. |
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| 01:58.27 | JakeDust1 | it's sad that three organizations I like weren't selected this year :( |
| 01:59.01 | DBear | Were they selected in the past? |
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| 02:10.19 | ChrisOelmueller | you can always ask them whether they'd have capacity to mentor you outside of gsoc, i'd guess quite some would be happy to |
| 02:11.36 | JakeDust | DBear: two of them yes |
| 02:12.02 | JakeDust | ChrisOelmueller: one of them was my org last year, I still contribute to it :) |
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| 02:23.11 | samolo | Hi |
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| 02:25.24 | samolo | is the fact of giving a history of discussion on mailing list or IRC about the project on proposal, good idea ? |
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| 02:32.07 | ojwb | samolo: it's probably good to mention it |
| 02:33.26 | samolo | ok, thanks |
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| 03:11.21 | samolo | good bye |
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| 03:42.28 | limifly | !logs |
| 03:42.28 | gsocbot | limifly: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 03:54.13 | Rand_ | Is it okay for a student to submit an application to an organization before April 22? Does a separate application need to be submitted through Melange on Apr. 22 as well? |
| 03:55.24 | ChrisOelmueller | the only "official" application can be submitted on melange after student applications open and edited until they close |
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| 03:56.24 | ChrisOelmueller | organizations may of course require other parts of the application process (like patches, a page outlining your concept and timeline, etc.) which can be started earlier than these dates at their discretion |
| 03:57.06 | ChrisOelmueller | note that whatever you're doing outside of melange: if there is no application in melange, you cannot participate |
| 03:58.21 | Rand_ | got it, thanks ChrisOelmueller |
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| 03:59.37 | ChrisOelmueller | sure :) |
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| 04:05.06 | jairojair | Hi :) |
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| 04:15.20 | DBear | Did I miss anything? |
| 04:15.22 | DBear | :-) |
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| 04:16.25 | DBear | How can I see chats before I joined this channel? Kind of newbie question |
| 04:19.19 | jdpipe | DBear: I was wondering the same thing, as an IRC newbie. I found http://bip.milkypond.org/ but otherwise no idea. |
| 04:21.28 | DBear | jdpipe: Thanks |
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| 04:23.34 | ChrisOelmueller | !logs | DBear |
| 04:23.35 | gsocbot | DBear: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 04:26.38 | DBear | ChrisOelmueller: Hey thanks! |
| 04:28.11 | sidchat_04 | !logs |
| 04:28.12 | gsocbot | sidchat_04: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 04:53.46 | gsocbot | limifly: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals, of which 1212 were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 06:40.21 | kushalshah | Can anyone assist me on, from where I can get in touch with the dbpedia project mentors ? |
| 06:40.30 | kushalshah | They donot have an IRC |
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| 06:43.42 | ChrisOelmueller | what preferred way of contact do they list on their profile? |
| 06:43.44 | alasin | https://plus.google.com/communities/106164282465567855607 Their g+ group |
| 06:43.58 | alasin | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dbpedia-gsoc Their mailing list |
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| 06:46.19 | kushalshah | alasin : Thank you :) |
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| 07:00.35 | ethanlim | thanks for informing us that it is logged |
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| 07:38.34 | mechan1c | Hello. My University decided to contribute OGSA-DAI (http://www.ogsadai.org.uk/) and that's all right. Can we participate in GSoC or we missed? |
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| 07:38.55 | mechan1c | Such a mentoring organisation. |
| 07:39.09 | ansgar | mechan1c: The application time for mentoring organizations is already over. |
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| 07:40.26 | mechan1c | ansgar, heh. Sorry. Thank you:) |
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| 08:33.34 | lemora | hello. I have question regarding the feedback session on friday. unfortunately i won't have internet access at the time scheduled. will there be some minutes or anything that i could read afterwards? |
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| 08:38.06 | ensonic | hi, the gsoc list has a thread on umbrella orgs: I applied this year with my music composer project buzztard, but did not made it. I have a single student who encouraged me to apply, would any project be interested in taking me under its umbrella? I have previous mentoring+admin exprience in gstreamer and gnome projects |
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| 09:45.20 | Arthur_D | heh, what do we do with seemingly over-qualified people? ^^ |
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| 09:47.18 | ChrisOelmueller | depends on their attitude and your goals for gsoc |
| 09:48.29 | Arthur_D | I mean it would probably be great for the project, but I wonder whether he/she will actually learn much |
| 09:48.37 | ChrisOelmueller | if they're less likely to stick around but get the job done and that is your main focus, sure |
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| 09:49.40 | Arthur_D | who knows - I know I would have a very hard time choosing students; feeling lucky that I don't ;) |
| 09:50.03 | |Kev| | I don't think anyone's overqualified. |
| 09:50.07 | |Kev| | Personally. |
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| 09:50.56 | ChrisOelmueller | we've rejected applicants who appeared overqualified on the coding skill side in the past at least, due to other criteria, and i probably can't give you more to work with than that |
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| 09:51.23 | |Kev| | ChrisOelmueller: How does one manage to be overqualified? |
| 09:51.23 | ChrisOelmueller | we've also accepted others :) |
| 09:51.35 | Arthur_D | 7 years of experience in the language we use, 3 years with OpenGL, and 2 years with the exact graphics engine we're using - I wonder where such people are normally hiding because we'd want such people ANY time ;) |
| 09:51.39 | |Kev| | That's the thing. Very qualified, I get, but overqualified? |
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| 09:52.49 | Arthur_D | if the point of GSoC is giving new programmers experience, an experienced programmer applying may seem to do it just for the money |
| 09:54.22 | |Kev| | I think GSoC has many benefits, and you pull students in from a holistic view rather than trying to tick criteria, mostly. |
| 09:54.32 | Arthur_D | right |
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| 09:55.19 | |Kev| | Is the student going to learn anything? Almost certainly, but let's pretend they won't anyway. Will they be a boon to the project? Are they likely to stay on? Might you learn something from them? ... |
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| 09:56.57 | Arthur_D | I see what you mean :) |
| 09:57.12 | Arthur_D | and it still doesn't make it any easier :P |
| 09:57.16 | |Kev| | Anyway. I just don't think people are ever really overqualified, for anything much. Very qualified people may be undesirable for many reasons, but that they're overqualified probably isn't one. |
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| 09:58.23 | |Kev| | PhDs get advised not to tell people that they've got one when applying for jobs, because they won't get hired for being overqualified, and it's all just daft. |
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| 10:00.11 | Arthur_D | I just tend to think that a student seemingly being as experienced as a mentor would be expected to be means he/she doesn't actually need to be a student, for pedagogic reasons |
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| 10:00.37 | Arthur_D | maybe I'm a bit narrow-minded :) |
| 10:00.57 | |Kev| | Are they experienced with your project? |
| 10:01.03 | Arthur_D | no |
| 10:01.04 | |Kev| | With your community? |
| 10:01.16 | Arthur_D | nope, never seen them before |
| 10:01.28 | |Kev| | Doesn't sound like there's nothing to learn about your project and community, to me, then. |
| 10:01.58 | Arthur_D | sure, there's a lot to learn that way :) |
| 10:02.16 | Arthur_D | but maybe not so much when it comes to programming, which GSoC focuses on |
| 10:02.31 | |Kev| | GSoC focuses on whatever your org wants it to, pretty much. |
| 10:02.39 | Arthur_D | okay :) |
| 10:02.43 | |Kev| | Within the framework that Google sets out, your priorities are your own. |
| 10:02.52 | Arthur_D | right |
| 10:03.12 | |Kev| | e.g. we (and we didn't apply this year) tend to avoid projects that start new chunks of code, rather than working on existing chunks. |
| 10:03.28 | |Kev| | Nothing in the FAQ from Google says we should or shouldn't do that, but it's what makes sense for us. |
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| 10:03.34 | Arthur_D | sure |
| 10:04.29 | Arthur_D | too bad we can't know for sure how many slots we'll get beforehand |
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| 10:05.50 | Arthur_D | having e.g. two inexperienced ones and two seemingly experienced ones at the same time might be about the same or less work than three inexperienced, I'd reckon |
| 10:06.31 | |Kev| | Experienced doesn't mean less work. |
| 10:06.37 | |Kev| | Please don't fall into that trap :) |
| 10:07.19 | |Kev| | Experienced people can need significant attention just as much as less experienced people. |
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| 10:07.52 | Arthur_D | you are right |
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| 10:08.05 | |Kev| | You're doing [this bit] wrong BTW, I'm going to rewrite that first. |
| 10:08.13 | bahaa | what if i'm not experienced in any of the listed projects? |
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| 10:08.23 | |Kev| | bahaa: You're not expected to be, at this stage. |
| 10:09.04 | bahaa | yeah, but for the proposal i should clearly say what I am going to do |
| 10:09.22 | idkwhatever | Why are some orgs missing tags? :-/ |
| 10:09.31 | |Kev| | bahaa: The typical case is that you have no experience in OSS projects and that at thist stage you're finding ones that look fun, and then going to talk to them, doing teaser tasks for them, get to know them and understand the requirements etc. ready for applying. |
| 10:09.35 | madrazr | idkwhatever: because they did not add it? |
| 10:09.59 | idkwhatever | Tags are optional? Weird. |
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| 10:11.36 | mustu | hi, can gsoc projects be equal worth to CS gradute final projects? |
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| 10:12.29 | bahaa | |Kev|: I see, so we have about 3 weeks to get to know project ideas and apply for 5 at most |
| 10:12.31 | MatthewWilkes | mustu: Equal worth? |
| 10:13.19 | |Kev| | bahaa: I haven't looked at the timeline this year. |
| 10:14.05 | bahaa | students application period starts on 21 i think |
| 10:14.23 | bahaa | and closes around the beginning of may |
| 10:14.26 | bahaa | 3rd of may |
| 10:14.32 | mustu | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:15.37 | MatthewWilkes | mustu: I very much doubt it. Most CS courses I know of want computer science for their final projects. GSoC is mostly about software engineering |
| 10:15.39 | mustu | most projects on gsoc doesn't qualify as final projec becuase it's small or specific to only a particular application |
| 10:15.57 | MatthewWilkes | mustu: Some universities will give credit for GSoC, but probably only in a Software Engineering course |
| 10:16.15 | mustu | yes, i'm talking about particular software engineering CS |
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| 10:23.46 | neverpanic | mustu: Some universities have a problem with their students getting paid for the final problems; you might want to check that with your university. |
| 10:24.23 | neverpanic | But if your project is advanced enough and maybe actually contains some research (and you can find somebody who will accept it at the university), why not? |
| 10:26.05 | |Kev| | Oh, there are still good reasons why not. |
| 10:26.10 | |Kev| | Serving two masters, etc. |
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| 10:26.53 | |Kev| | So the Uni would have to accept that the project is entirely out of their control, and the student has to accept that not only do they not get paid if it all goes wrong, but that they fail their degree. |
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| 10:45.26 | kai | phone interviews are weird... |
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| 10:46.21 | Achillion | greetings |
| 10:46.40 | Hamish_B | kai: a speakerphone helps. you can wave your arms around. |
| 10:47.03 | kai | Hamish_B: yeah, but I perfer interacting with people I can actually see :) |
| 10:47.22 | kai | oh well, if I wait a week or two, I'll know how it went one way or the other |
| 10:47.44 | kai | in the meantime, let's reject spam mentor applications! |
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| 10:48.04 | kai | also... |
| 10:48.06 | kai | !bugs |
| 10:48.06 | gsocbot | kai: "bugs" is http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
| 10:49.13 | Ra___ | Hello Everyone I would like to know if I wanted to propose an independent project i.e. not pertaining to any organization.. whom should i contact? |
| 10:51.16 | kai | Ra___: that's not really how GSoC works |
| 10:51.47 | kai | Ra___: but if you're proposing an academic project, and have a mentor on the academic side, you could try applying for the GSoC org |
| 10:52.22 | swook | kai: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#16._What_if_there_is_no_organization ? |
| 10:53.47 | kai | swook: that's what I said more or less, I think :) |
| 10:54.33 | Ra___ | @kai: i get it thanks! |
| 10:54.35 | swook | ah true, yes. Sorry |
| 10:54.36 | kai | out of > 1200 accepted students < 5 will get in with a standalone porposal |
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| 10:55.22 | kai | that's < 1% :) |
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| 10:56.43 | kai | Ra___: the FAQ answer swook linked has the more elaborate explanation, and the best we can get you :) |
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| 10:58.18 | Ra___ | @kai: Yes I saw the answer!.. I understand it now.. :) |
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| 12:17.44 | Achillion | How rude :) |
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| 12:18.28 | gevaerts | s!\(.*\)@\(.*\)$!/\1 \2! |
| 12:18.35 | jaipradeesh | Hello!! M willing to work with gsoc on behalf of Mozilla |
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| 12:20.10 | MatthewWilkes | jaipradeesh: You mean, you'd like to apply to mozilla? |
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| 13:10.04 | kai | an, it would be super awesome if melange 'new connection' emails would include the name of the person triggering the connection |
| 13:10.36 | bahaa | "Yours, mailbot" |
| 13:12.12 | kai | yeah, that's about the quality of information we get right now |
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| 13:20.05 | kartik | can someone explain |
| 13:20.43 | sunu | explain what ? |
| 13:20.48 | Achillion | explains |
| 13:21.15 | _nishan_n | question -- can a part time MS student send applications? I did not see any thing specific in the website or faqs. |
| 13:21.49 | sunu | yup. and it's there in the faq |
| 13:22.15 | sunu | !faq |
| 13:22.15 | gsocbot | sunu: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page |
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| 13:23.31 | sunu | _nishan_n: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#2._Whos_eligible_to_participate_as_a |
| 13:23.52 | kartik_ | How do we ping a indivudual mentor ? |
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| 13:24.06 | _nishan_n | sunu: thanks! |
| 13:24.14 | sunu | tw |
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| 13:24.24 | sunu | yw. |
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| 13:25.51 | rihnapstor | how are projects accepted for summers . i know that org should first request for slots,but then if an org request for all projects what happens ? |
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| 13:28.02 | sunbiz | How does one invite mentors to an organization?? Cant seem to find that link in melange... |
| 13:28.14 | JordiGH | It's now called Connections. |
| 13:28.17 | JordiGH | Web 3.0! |
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| 13:29.32 | kai | there's a bunch of usability bugs about this already |
| 13:31.14 | brlcad | is glad he can finally put an e-mail instead of a non-existent link_id |
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| 13:38.08 | sunbiz | JordiGH: Connections for my organizations --> and then I can see the connection |
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| 13:38.29 | sunbiz | JordiGH: but how do I invite ppl?? ppl who already have a melange id |
| 13:40.33 | burcin | sunbiz, there is a "start connection" link on the organization page |
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| 13:41.12 | burcin | I don't know if it's available anywhere else... it would be good to have that on the "connections for my org" page as well |
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| 13:43.05 | sunbiz | burcin: thanks!! that helped... |
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| 13:43.17 | burcin | yw |
| 13:43.21 | sunbiz | also its on the top corner somewhat hidden... hard to find :-| |
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| 14:02.41 | darnir | JordiGH: May I pm you? |
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| 14:03.47 | JordiGH | darnir: Is it important and private? |
| 14:03.55 | darnir | it's regarding the Savannah rewrite that you are suggesting. Wanted some information. |
| 14:04.12 | JordiGH | darnir: Oh, my, how did you hear of that? |
| 14:04.19 | darnir | GNU Mailing List |
| 14:04.32 | JordiGH | Shall we take it to #gnu? |
| 14:04.36 | darnir | Sure. |
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| 14:25.45 | sunu | pdb.set_trace() |
| 14:26.44 | sunu | oops |
| 14:27.08 | sunu | sorry :/ |
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| 15:05.08 | rihnapstor | how are projects accepted for summers . i know that org should first request for slots,but then if an org request for all projects what happens ? |
| 15:05.27 | |Kev| | Students are accepted, rather than projects. |
| 15:05.55 | |Kev| | So orgs get however many slots, they choose the students they want to fill them. |
| 15:06.07 | rihnapstor | |Kev|: but students are accepted for projects |
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| 15:07.12 | aciid_ | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2013/bloomington |
| 15:07.16 | rihnapstor | ok |Kev| :) |
| 15:07.22 | aciid_ | I cant find irc channel for this org :| |
| 15:08.55 | neverpanic | rihnapstor: https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
| 15:09.30 | neverpanic | aciid_: it doesn't seem they have one. |
| 15:09.49 | aciid_ | :< |
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| 15:12.30 | akif500 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.47 | akif500 | melange allows it or not? |
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| 15:20.54 | neverpanic | akif500: you might be better off asking this in #melange |
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| 16:09.15 | carols | serves some tea |
| 16:09.20 | carols | sighs at the email backlog |
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| 16:09.26 | carols | i think i need some more tea. |
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| 16:10.40 | gevaerts | gives carols some more tea |
| 16:10.42 | Arthur_D | hehe, it's probably a lot more than any of us gets and I feel quite bombarded already :) |
| 16:10.47 | carols | thanks gevaerts :-) |
| 16:10.52 | gevaerts | You're welcome! |
| 16:10.59 | Rand_ | 167 organizations on the list so far, 10 more left. Hope they submit theirs soon! |
| 16:11.12 | carols | Arthur_D: yeah, it's just particular times of the year that it gets pretty unmanageable. |
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| 16:13.35 | Arthur_D | it's a culture shock being used to maybe one or two new nicks showing up on IRC a couple times a year to 12+ new people all at once |
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| 16:14.33 | Arthur_D | but it's great fun :) |
| 16:14.50 | Achillion | This is the first time I disabled joins/parts/quits on my IRC client |
| 16:14.50 | carols | yeah, i've heard from a lot of orgs that the moment after you get accepted is pretty overwhelming. |
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| 16:16.34 | Rand_ | Is it possible to do that on the Freenode webchat Achillion? |
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| 16:16.54 | pulkit | hi all!! |
| 16:17.07 | pulkit | i wish to participate in GSoC'13 |
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| 16:17.15 | pulkit | i am new to open source world |
| 16:17.16 | carols | great, that's nice to hear, pulkit |
| 16:17.16 | Achillion | Rand_: No idea |
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| 16:17.38 | Achillion | Webchats aren't particularly flexible |
| 16:17.39 | pulkit | but i have had substantial programming experience |
| 16:17.45 | Rand_ | ok |
| 16:17.46 | pulkit | for the past four years |
| 16:17.54 | carols | that's great, pulkit |
| 16:18.00 | carols | i'm glad you've gotten interested in the program. |
| 16:18.21 | pulkit | i have ad lot of courses in algorithms, databases, compilers, OS etc |
| 16:18.29 | pulkit | hi carols |
| 16:18.34 | Rand_ | pulkit: You can visit http://goo.gl/yxeB0 to see the list of participating organizations and also read the GSOC guide at http://flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/. |
| 16:18.46 | pulkit | thanks Rand_ |
| 16:18.54 | Rand_ | You're welcome |
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| 16:19.02 | pulkit | can you please suggest some projects i can start with |
| 16:19.09 | pulkit | like which should i look into?? |
| 16:19.21 | carols | pulkit: use the list Rand_ gave you and find the orgs you'd like to work for |
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| 16:19.25 | blast007 | pulkit: find something that interests you. It's up to you to decide. |
| 16:19.29 | pulkit | and how should i decide that which one is suitable for me?? |
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| 16:19.43 | carols | pulkit: how do you decide anything in your life? you look at your options and weigh them. |
| 16:19.44 | Rand_ | each organization on the list has a project ideas page |
| 16:19.46 | pulkit | carols: okay,,,,thanks!! |
| 16:19.51 | carols | yw |
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| 16:20.11 | pulkit | carols: ohh right :) |
| 16:20.41 | akifkhan | pulkit:based on your skill set sort some projects then do some research |
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| 16:22.07 | pulkit | akifkhan: yes i shall do that....thanks!! |
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| 16:35.14 | jignesh | can one contact a gsoc project mentor directly through email ? |
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| 16:40.49 | Arthur_D | I wish we could keep students we don't get enough slots for in a deep freeze, waking them when needed, to keep that fresh student smell ;) |
| 16:41.06 | carols | Arthur_D: patches welcome ;-) |
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| 16:41.59 | Arthur_D | :D |
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| 16:42.25 | Arthur_D | freeze ray! freeze ray! |
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| 16:42.58 | Arthur_D | or at least a tool to clone mentors would be nice ;) |
| 16:43.08 | carols | i would like that too. |
| 16:43.14 | carols | let me know if you find one :-) |
| 16:43.22 | JordiGH | Patches only kinda welcome... You have to sign the Google legalese first, and last time I read it, there were things in it I didn't like. |
| 16:43.38 | JordiGH | I forget what they are, though. |
| 16:43.40 | downey | tea |
| 16:44.24 | Arthur_D | they just want to be able to search index your DNA and keep all caches... just in case ;) |
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| 16:45.01 | vijaykalyan | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.08 | derdon | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.08 | Ming_Wu | Hi all =) |
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| 16:45.32 | carols | hi Ming_Wu |
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| 16:45.51 | Ming_Wu | This is the official mentor - students channel for GSOC? |
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| 16:46.11 | vijaykalyan | :) |
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| 16:49.23 | Ming_Wu | .commands |
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| 16:56.59 | kalyan | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.05 | kalyan | hi all |
| 16:57.16 | carols | hi kalyan |
| 16:58.18 | kalyan | logs are more than msgs! |
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| 16:58.43 | carols | we have a robust documentation tree for GSOC, yes :-) |
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| 16:59.03 | carols | unfortunately that doesn't seem to mean any more people read them, so far as i can tell. |
| 16:59.04 | kalyan | :) |
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| 16:59.46 | namehere | Is it too late to start talking to mentors next week? |
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| 16:59.56 | carols | namehere: not at all. |
| 17:00.00 | carols | but why not start now? |
| 17:00.05 | carols | you're in IRC already :-) |
| 17:00.37 | aciid | you have to first talk to a mentor then propose a project ? |
| 17:00.45 | aciid | or something like that? :s |
| 17:00.49 | |Kev| | aciid: Have to? No. Should? Yes. |
| 17:00.56 | carols | aciid: it's very highly recommended, yes. |
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| 17:01.22 | namehere | I'm completely loaded this week and was wondering if orgs generally pick the students who were with them right away |
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| 17:01.48 | aciid | organization I chose dont have irc channel :< I emailed them , waiting now |
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| 17:02.02 | carols | namehere: orgs generally pick students who have the best possible combination of enthusiasm about the project, quality of proposal, coding skills or other applicable skills to the project, and necessity for the project for the organization. |
| 17:02.17 | carols | aciid: not everyone likes IRC. |
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| 17:02.27 | carols | so some orgs prefer other methods. :-) |
| 17:02.28 | |Kev| | +quality of communication. |
| 17:02.32 | namehere | ty carols |
| 17:02.36 | carols | yw namehere |
| 17:02.43 | aciid | yea I know :) |
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| 17:02.59 | carols | flexibility and patience are very important skills for gsoc. |
| 17:03.05 | carols | i am still learning both of them. |
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| 17:04.01 | yashness | !next |
| 17:04.03 | gsocbot | yashness: "next" is April 22 19:00 UTC: Student application period opens. |
| 17:04.08 | Arthur_D | seems though you've got that down pretty well - you'd have to in order to have this job :) |
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| 17:04.12 | JordiGH | Reading the CLA again, I don't find anything I dislike about it, except that I don't know what they mean with "intellectual property". Does that include ship hull design rights? :-) |
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| 17:05.03 | DrJoel | should the google hangout be be on the topic or "next" for the bot? |
| 17:05.37 | yashness | nope ! channel is Gsoc |
| 17:05.37 | carols | DrJoel: i'm sending out an email about it to the discussion list |
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| 17:05.46 | carols | i don't think it needs to be on the channel topic. |
| 17:05.54 | carols | people can watch the video if they miss it. |
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| 17:06.35 | DrJoel | I passed it along but wouldn't have noticed it except I was checking my calendar for the week |
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| 17:06.54 | carols | DrJoel: yep, it's also on there too :-) |
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| 17:21.59 | carols | serves some more tea |
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| 17:23.59 | namehere | Is that an in-joke? Why do you keep "serving tea"? |
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| 17:24.16 | carols | namehere: why not? |
| 17:24.22 | carols | :-) |
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| 17:24.24 | carols | tea is nice. |
| 17:24.26 | Arthur_D | tea-hea :P |
| 17:24.30 | namehere | :-/ |
| 17:24.43 | carols | serves some cookies |
| 17:24.44 | namehere | I feel lost :P |
| 17:24.46 | carols | does that help? |
| 17:25.01 | namehere | That does make it better I guess :) |
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| 17:25.57 | carols | awesome :-) |
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| 17:34.18 | malkum | -*- Hi |
| 17:34.26 | carols | hi malkum |
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| 17:39.03 | malkum | I am a Freelance Consultant in PHP. I have applied for a partime Masters degree course with an Autonomous University in India. Am I eligible as a student in GSoc? |
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| 17:43.45 | carols | malkum: is it an accredited university, will you be an accepted or enrolled student on May 27, and do you meet all the other eligibility requirements? |
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| 17:46.11 | malkum | carols: I am already registered candidate with the Institution. National Institute of Electronics & Information Technology (NIELIT), (erstwhile DOEACC Society), an Autonomous Scientific Society under the administrative control of Department of Electronics & Information Technology (DeitY), Ministry of Communications and Information Technology, Government of India, |
| 17:46.24 | carols | that's very nice, but you haven't answered my question. |
| 17:46.32 | malkum | carols: Link to the insititution http://www.nielit.in/ |
| 17:46.38 | carols | cool. |
| 17:46.53 | carols | i still don't know whether you're eligible. |
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| 17:48.13 | malkum | carols: How can i find it out. I have a registration ID card with me |
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| 17:48.34 | malkum | carols: What documents should I seek from the Institute |
| 17:48.39 | carols | malkum: well, you need to find out if the university is accredited, if you will be an enrolled student on may 27, and if you meet the other eligibility requirements. |
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| 17:48.59 | eduardostalinho | i want/j #python-dev |
| 17:49.14 | carols | eduardostalinho: go for it :-) |
| 17:49.19 | Achillion | lol |
| 17:49.23 | eduardostalinho | sorry, lol |
| 17:49.29 | dfighter | aw, them cats |
| 17:50.26 | eduardostalinho | its related |
| 17:51.04 | Achillion | Come fly with me: python -c "import antigravity" |
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| 17:52.39 | malkum | carols: Thanks |
| 17:52.43 | carols | yw |
| 17:53.02 | derdon | Achillion: or activate brace syntax with this command: python -c 'from __future__ import braces' |
| 17:53.07 | Achillion | :) |
| 17:53.19 | paultag | or study your python - import this |
| 17:53.25 | Achillion | The zen! |
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| 18:43.10 | *** topic/#gsoc is Google Summer of Code 2013 mentoring organizations have been announced! Visit http://goo.gl/yxeB0 to see the list of participating organizations for this year (once they fill out their profile). |
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| 18:45.25 | mag1 | twisted matrix ? |
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| 18:46.12 | mag1 | anyone ?\ |
| 18:47.56 | ojwb | !anyone | mag1 |
| 18:47.56 | gsocbot | mag1: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 19:18.41 | d33tah_ | hi guys! |
| 19:19.00 | d33tah_ | does anybody have a kindle-friendly list of projects and tasks for the upcoming gsoc? |
| 19:19.12 | carols | d33tah_: i don't believe anyone has made one. |
| 19:19.14 | carols | why don't you? |
| 19:19.31 | derdon | as a gsoc project |
| 19:19.34 | derdon | so meta :) |
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| 19:19.40 | d33tah_ | its always good to do a research first ;) |
| 19:19.48 | derdon | indeed |
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| 19:25.24 | DrJoel | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AngKwYy0qUGZdGdwY056M2RuT19pMkcyd2w0cjl3dkE&usp=sharing is a spreadsheet of the organizations.You can save it as PDF and put it on your Kindle |
| 19:26.28 | DrJoel | notices 179 orgs in the spreadsheet... announcement said 177 |
| 19:27.46 | namehere | I guess Google Open Programs Office isn't counted |
| 19:27.46 | namehere | *open source |
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| 19:28.20 | DrJoel | still 1 off .. I don't see a mistake in the spreadsheet import from csv though |
| 19:28.35 | namehere | Hmm |
| 19:29.01 | DrJoel | OSPO is row 59 |
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| 19:29.59 | carols | serves coffee, tea, and cookies |
| 19:30.27 | sunu | takes some cookies and coffee |
| 19:30.42 | sunu | !cookies |
| 19:30.48 | Arthur_D | takes some cookies and tea |
| 19:30.49 | DrJoel | notices a 16 organizations start with Open :) |
| 19:30.55 | sunu | !cookie |
| 19:30.56 | gsocbot | sunu: "cookie" is omnomnom |
| 19:31.16 | namehere | I'm seeing 169, not 179. |
| 19:31.52 | darnir | namehere: That is because the list is populated as the organizations fill in their details. |
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| 19:32.09 | darnir | Wait till the rest of them fill in the missing details. |
| 19:32.23 | DrJoel | I see that on the web form but the .csv it exports resulted in a spreadsheet with 180 rows |
| 19:32.31 | sunu | is there any command that makes gsocbot say "no cookies for you."? just wondering :/ |
| 19:32.40 | namehere | No, I was referring to DrJoel saying he saw 179 orgs |
| 19:32.46 | DrJoel | Hmm... apparently I cut and pasted the 2012 orgs :( |
| 19:32.51 | ojwb | namehere: in the spreadsheet |
| 19:33.07 | namehere | Are there discrepancies? |
| 19:33.13 | ojwb | no, just old data |
| 19:33.16 | DrJoel | only operator errors |
| 19:33.27 | ojwb | it has xapian in, and we weren't accepted this year |
| 19:33.43 | ojwb | was wondering how you'd found the ones who haven't done a profile yet |
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| 19:35.16 | DrJoel | The spreadsheet I posted has the 169 orgs who have filled out their profile |
| 19:35.28 | DrJoel | I just clicked the wrong file to import |
| 19:35.58 | ojwb | now I'm curious why last years list has 179 orgs |
| 19:36.03 | ojwb | weren't there 180? |
| 19:36.12 | sttaylor | there were 180 in 2012 |
| 19:36.16 | dberkholz | 1 probably never filled out a profile |
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| 19:36.55 | ojwb | dberkholz: now that is slack! |
| 19:37.10 | DrJoel | agrees with dberkholz |
| 19:37.23 | DrJoel | I just checked and the 2012 webpage still shows 179 entries |
| 19:37.26 | ojwb | gentoo are there at least |
| 19:37.41 | dberkholz | i said the number 1, not "I" =) |
| 19:38.00 | ojwb | i would say I need new glasses, but this is day 2 of my new glasses |
| 19:38.11 | dberkholz | file a bug |
| 19:38.23 | |Kev| | File a bug with your opticians. |
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| 19:38.42 | ojwb | i suppose that's one way to avoid the spammy applications |
| 19:39.10 | |Kev| | Actually, given that mine once overwrote someone else's records with mine and then had two for me, and cut me off the books because only one of me turned up for appointments, maybe filing bugs with opticians isn't a bad idea. |
| 19:39.44 | Arthur_D | hahaha wow ^^ |
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| 19:40.02 | dberkholz | huh. it wasn't actually either of the two i suspected. |
| 19:40.21 | |Kev| | It wasn't me! |
| 19:41.18 | |Kev| | That seems vaguely odd. It doesn't just mean cutting back on spammy applications, it essentially means only selecting students from a pool they've created themselves (by advertising, or hand-picking), doesn't it? |
| 19:43.40 | |Kev| | (I don't know who the org was) |
| 19:44.57 | stefanha | Spammy applications are annoying but all applicants should have a fair chance at getting a place. Not listing info for the org could be a little unfair. |
| 19:44.59 | gevaerts | is tempted to ask "What org?" |
| 19:45.17 | stefanha | yeah, /me is interested in stealth orgs :) |
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| 19:46.21 | |Kev| | On the other hand, if an org were (hypothetically) wanting to pick students from a smaller pool, not filling the profile doesn't change that. Arguably it makes it fairer because it doesn't encourage students to apply for places they would never get. |
| 19:46.31 | |Kev| | But I have no idea if that /is/ what was going on. I'm intruiged. |
| 19:47.11 | gevaerts | !numapps |
| 19:47.14 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals, of which 1212 were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 19:47.19 | DrJoel | Without the profile, does the org even have a key assigned? Without the key, you couldn't get to their page to apply. |
| 19:47.39 | dberkholz | could be an admin bus factor |
| 19:47.57 | |Kev| | dberkholz: Yes, could be. |
| 19:48.09 | dberkholz | they were accepted as an org, never did anything, got no proposals, but still in the org list |
| 19:48.23 | |Kev| | dberkholz: Have you checked and they had no students? |
| 19:48.27 | dberkholz | that's one of the reasons i'm happy to be continually increasing the admin team for gentoo. just added a new one this year |
| 19:48.48 | dberkholz | i can't check, it won't list an org anywhere i'm aware of if they don't fill out the profile |
| 19:55.14 | |Kev| | Ah, yes. I thought there was a blog post, but it seems to just link to the Melange table. |
| 19:55.16 | stefanha | Speaking of spammy applications, the spam mentors applications have already started. |
| 19:55.17 | stefanha | :) rejected two now |
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| 19:55.18 | gevaerts | is detectiving |
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| 19:55.20 | gevaerts | I claim it was "MIT Center for Mobile Learning @ The Media Lab" |
| 19:55.20 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Indeed. And they did end up with students. |
| 19:55.20 | gevaerts | Yes. Without that, I wouldn't have found them :) |
| 19:55.20 | |Kev| | Yes. You were just slightly ahead of me, with the same method. |
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| 19:55.51 | lelele | hello |
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| 19:56.13 | lelele | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:56.44 | carols | lelele: sure |
| 19:56.48 | carols | how can we help? |
| 19:56.49 | gevaerts | lelele: we have answers. Let's find out if they match up :) |
| 19:56.49 | lelele | I would join grad school this fall (august)...am I eligible for applying? |
| 19:57.02 | carols | lelele: are you currently enrolled in a university? |
| 19:57.23 | lelele | No but offered admission and accepted the offer. |
| 19:57.31 | lelele | now paperwork is going on. |
| 19:57.33 | carols | lelele: great, so yes, that's fine. |
| 19:57.53 | lelele | thats great to hear! |
| 19:58.08 | carols | :-) |
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| 19:58.33 | lelele | now to writing proposals! thanks carols |
| 19:58.38 | carols | there's lot of people who don't like the things I tell them sometimes, so it's nice that you think that's great to hear. |
| 19:58.39 | carols | yw |
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| 19:58.53 | lelele | haha |
| 19:59.04 | DrJoel | stefanha have you been able to accept any? Or when you invite did they accept? I had someone request and accepted theirs. But the ones we invited don't apepar to be able to connect |
| 19:59.28 | stefanha | DrJoel: Yes, I accepted a legit mentor yesterday. |
| 19:59.35 | stefanha | It worked fine |
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| 19:59.49 | DrJoel | Did you invite them? Or did they initiate? |
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| 20:06.34 | stefanha | DrJoel: They initiated |
| 20:06.58 | stefanha | Melange sends out an email that you have a "connection". |
| 20:07.11 | stefanha | In your Dashboard there is a "My connections with an organization" link |
| 20:07.23 | stefanha | (or similar wording). It's not the "My connections" link! |
| 20:07.33 | stefanha | In there you should see any pending mentor requests. |
| 20:07.42 | stefanha | You can accept, reject, or reply with comment. |
| 20:08.00 | DrJoel | THe one mentor initiated connection worked great. Our problem has been with the ones we invited. Probably need to delete them and ask them to initiate the connection |
| 20:08.19 | ah_ | Just a quick query (I'm a little confused by the process), as a student would I be sending an application in to google, or applying in partnership with a company? |
| 20:08.29 | ah_ | and *applying* to them first? |
| 20:08.38 | ah_ | sorry, meant to be "applying" |
| 20:08.42 | gevaerts | ah_: you apply to an organisation, on the melange website |
| 20:08.53 | gevaerts | Note, *organisation*, not company :) |
| 20:09.18 | ah_ | ah, ok |
| 20:09.29 | ah_ | and that's after the period opens on the 22nd of april I assumme |
| 20:09.41 | ah_ | given that organisations alreay have slots etc... |
| 20:09.56 | gevaerts | Yes, although it is advisable to start talking to organisations you're interested in now |
| 20:10.16 | ojwb | slots aren't allocated until after applications close |
| 20:10.21 | ah_ | I am :) |
| 20:10.27 | Aishiko | has for the last couple of weeks |
| 20:10.41 | gevaerts | You're on the right track then :) |
| 20:10.51 | ah_ | hmm, I thought organisations had already been allocated a number of slots? That's what I'd heard, but I may have missunderstood :) |
| 20:11.17 | DrJoel | Slots are not allocated until the pool of student proposals has been evaluated. |
| 20:11.27 | ah_ | Ah, ok |
| 20:11.31 | ah_ | Missunderstanding on my part them |
| 20:11.35 | gevaerts | No. Organisations can't really know how many slots they want before they've seen student applications anyway |
| 20:11.58 | ah_ | Makes more sense that what I thought it was |
| 20:12.01 | Aishiko | that makes alot of sense |
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| 20:12.37 | DrJoel | Organizations need strong candidates and will want to assign qualified mentors. If both conditions aren't met, then the organization will probably not ask for a slot for that project |
| 20:12.49 | ojwb | there's a field in the application profile (a couple actually) where the org can fill in how many slots they would like, but it's not used yet |
| 20:12.55 | ojwb | that may be where the confusion arrises |
| 20:12.57 | ojwb | arises |
| 20:13.04 | ah_ | that's probably what confused me |
| 20:13.12 | ojwb | um |
| 20:13.15 | ojwb | org profile I mean |
| 20:13.47 | ah_ | that makes sense - someone at the org had mentioned that they'd got/applied for a number of slots |
| 20:14.04 | ah_ | and I probably took it to mean that was a firm number that they could field |
| 20:14.12 | ah_ | or fixed number |
| 20:14.45 | gevaerts | I believe they can fill in some numbers now, but they won't be looked at for weeks |
| 20:14.57 | ojwb | if it's a first time org, they're likely to get 1 or 2 slots |
| 20:15.09 | ojwb | google are cautious about overwhelming new orgs |
| 20:15.21 | ojwb | (rightly so) |
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| 20:16.48 | DrJoel | And as an experienced org admin, I am also cautious. It is really easy to over-commit. |
| 20:17.23 | gevaerts | Yes, but as an experienced org admin, you probably also have a higher standard for good proposals in the first place |
| 20:17.44 | gevaerts | Or a larger collection of red flags, anyway |
| 20:17.54 | Aishiko | my issue is figuring out what sort of propsoal to do and seeing if the org and I agree on the other things they want in addition to coding if anything |
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| 20:17.59 | ojwb | DrJoel: well, you don't really need google to be cautious on your behalf |
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| 20:18.20 | ojwb | Aishiko: there are a number of examples of proposals around |
| 20:18.26 | ojwb | some are in the student guide |
| 20:18.45 | ojwb | though different orgs vary in what they want in a proposal |
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| 20:19.23 | Aishiko | its more a case of I'm not sure what would be the best project to work on/with |
| 20:19.44 | Aishiko | and that is very individualistic I think |
| 20:20.04 | gevaerts | Oh, definitely |
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| 20:20.30 | gevaerts | On the other hand, if you've decided on the organisation, you now do have some time to think about this |
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| 20:21.10 | DrJoel | finding the organization is the key.. We have already had a student propose something that wasn't on our projects page. |
| 20:21.32 | Aishiko | example I know 3 languages (not counting web design), but some orgs want you to blog but they don't include that in any of their online student info pages |
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| 20:22.39 | Sumit | can i apply for more than one project? |
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| 20:22.58 | Aishiko | Sumit, you can do up to 5 proposals I think I read that on the webpage |
| 20:23.22 | Sumit | ok..... thanks |
| 20:23.27 | gevaerts | Sumit: you can make up to five proposals in total, to as many organisations as you like (well, up to five...) |
| 20:23.27 | Aishiko | but you can only do one of them so if 2 propsals are accepted you'd have to choose |
| 20:23.37 | gevaerts | Uh, no |
| 20:24.10 | gevaerts | If more than two organisations rank you highly enough, *they* decide who gets to pick you, possibly after asking you which one you prefer |
| 20:24.46 | Aishiko | I wasn't sure, I was only told there was a process, I assumed the person involved would be apart of it |
| 20:24.59 | gevaerts | So (a) you're never actually *accepted* by more than one, and (b) while you may get asked, there's no obligation |
| 20:24.59 | Arthur_D | if they can't reach an agreement, project admins are pitched against each other in rock/paper/scissors matches ;P |
| 20:25.26 | gevaerts | I thought they used the Cash Operated Indecision Negator then? :) |
| 20:25.35 | Arthur_D | :D |
| 20:25.41 | ungureanuvlad | after a proposal is submitted can be changed ? |
| 20:26.18 | gevaerts | ungureanuvlad: it can be changed until the application deadline |
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| 20:26.45 | ungureanuvlad | gevaerts: 10x |
| 20:27.02 | gevaerts | is now ten times taller |
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| 20:28.34 | ojwb | gevaerts: or twice as tall |
| 20:29.07 | gevaerts | ojwb: let's go for seven :) |
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| 20:31.30 | Aishiko | I was told blogging was required by google but the only things I could find on the site for after being excepted were A) evaulations B) code sample(s) |
| 20:31.48 | scorche|sh | Aishiko: blogging is not required by google |
| 20:31.55 | scorche|sh | Aishiko: some orgs may require you to blog though |
| 20:32.09 | gevaerts | One of the common misconceptions about gsoc is that there aren't many misconceptions about gsoc :) |
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| 20:32.36 | Aishiko | scorche|sh, thank you I didn't think so. Now if only the orgs would tell you that at the start of the process |
| 20:32.45 | scorche|sh | Aishiko: many do! |
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| 20:34.02 | gevaerts | I'd imagine that some (especially new) organisations haven't worked out exactly what sort of communication they want |
| 20:34.51 | neverpanic | what's the rationale behind requiring blogging? |
| 20:35.16 | scorche|sh | neverpanic: you would have to ask the orgs that require it - i imagine many may have different rationale... |
| 20:35.29 | gevaerts | neverpanic: communication is *the* main thing in gsoc |
| 20:35.40 | gevaerts | Blogging is seen by some people as a good way to do that |
| 20:35.54 | Aishiko | scorche|sh, my view is to waste time but thats just me, I prefer email, phone, or irc, in no particular order I might add |
| 20:35.56 | neverpanic | scorche|sh: I was hoping some would hang around in here |
| 20:35.57 | scorche|sh | things i can see: increases visibility of the project, allows others to keep easier tabs on it, communication as gevaerts said, etc |
| 20:36.34 | gevaerts | Aishiko: there's the irc+mailing list world, and there's the blog+forums world :) |
| 20:37.29 | gevaerts | And I imagine there has to be at least one organisation around that only uses social networking sites |
| 20:38.56 | Aishiko | and I personally hope to avoid those |
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| 20:40.09 | ojwb | the problem i've seen with forcing students to keep blogs when they aren't keen is that you get very uninformative blogs |
| 20:41.10 | ojwb | but if done right, they're a great way to let people in the community who have an interest in a project keep tabs on it |
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| 20:42.43 | Naeblis | Getting a bit overwhelmed. Many students that I've seen on mailing lists etc already seem to be very much familiar with the field of the project. I thought this might be a chance to learn, but seems like the good applicants will already have a proposal where they've figured most of the stuff out. |
| 20:43.51 | Naeblis | Doesn't help that many of the courses that I've taken in Uni bear no resemblance to the stuff that's required, or is too advanced, like NLP, Machine Learning. |
| 20:46.53 | Aishiko | Naeblis, I am as well |
| 20:48.05 | derdon | Naeblis: I feel with you |
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| 22:10.31 | banas | Hi, can a person who is good at Rails, but isn;t already a part of an organization, offer to be a mentor for a project that involves rails? |
| 22:10.43 | banas | for that org? |
| 22:10.58 | anth_r | depends on the org. you'll need to talk to them. |
| 22:11.09 | anth_r | many are skeptical about accepting mentors they don't know. |
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| 22:31.51 | sambee | hi |
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| 22:35.53 | anth_r | hi |
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| 22:54.34 | angelux | hi, I have a question, I have a paper that says I'm part of my University as a student doing Social service (I don't know what is the equivalent in EEUU), is that good enough to fill the "prove you are a student" part of the application? |
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| 23:08.39 | embs | angelux: I'm just a newcomer and have no previous experience with GSoC but I think you can submit to the project once you are an undergraduate student. |
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| 23:09.38 | embs | I mean... you can submit one (or more) project(s) to the program. |
| 23:09.41 | angelux | yeah, but I'm in the process of graduation (in a couple of months) so I'm not enroled anymore but I can get the paper that says I'm still part of my University |
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| 23:10.06 | gevaerts | angelux: there's only one magic date that counts |
| 23:11.29 | angelux | yeah, I know, but the paper says the date I finish wich is June 2nd, so it's inside the range |
| 23:12.09 | angelux | but my question was if that paper counts, I wanted to talk to any google admin to share the link to the scanned paper |
| 23:12.39 | gevaerts | You want to talk to carols then. She doesn't seem to be online right now though |
| 23:12.46 | gevaerts | You could always send her an email though |
| 23:13.52 | angelux | ok, how can I get her e-mail? |
| 23:14.01 | ojwb | though she said she had 600 odd emails to deal with, so be patient |
| 23:14.23 | ojwb | angelux: carols@google.com |
| 23:14.47 | gevaerts | Yes, chances are you won't get an answer within five minutes :) |
| 23:14.50 | ojwb | if you aren't enrolled any more, you're probably not eligible though I'm afraid |
| 23:14.54 | angelux | ok, than you :) |
| 23:15.07 | ojwb | but she can give you a definite answer |
| 23:15.09 | gevaerts | Regular emails are bad enough, but those odd emails really take a lot of time |
| 23:15.21 | ojwb | heh |
| 23:15.27 | ojwb | i bet a lot of them are quite odd too |
| 23:15.38 | gevaerts | Almost certainly |
| 23:15.42 | embs | Shall he try a mailing list? |
| 23:16.10 | angelux | mmm, I'll try anyways, but maybe first, I just found out the org I was aiming for didn't get elected, so I'm out of luck there too, |
| 23:16.16 | gevaerts | A mailing list won't give a definitive answer |
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| 23:17.01 | angelux | maybe asking too, is there an org looking for some student to learn ruby/rails or something interesting? |
| 23:17.46 | gevaerts | Most orgs are looking for students to learn something interesting :) |
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| 23:21.37 | angelux | ok, anyone wants an extra student? |
| 23:22.22 | meflin | depends on the student |
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| 23:24.41 | angelux | ok, I have experience on C (medium to basic), Java, C++(rusty on that one), php, javascript(learning from experience) and little bit of REL databases |
| 23:25.32 | sambee | i have question please |
| 23:25.44 | sambee | am studying at french university |
| 23:26.23 | sambee | can i give to google a french document to prove am student |
| 23:26.53 | sambee | a french student card or certificate of attendance |
| 23:26.56 | sambee | ? |
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| 23:28.32 | neverpanic | sambee: yes, but you'll have to provide a translation. |
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| 23:29.05 | Aishiko | sambee, perhaps see if your university will send a translated copy for you? |
| 23:29.40 | neverpanic | (Mine did back when I participated) |
| 23:30.50 | Aishiko | it was a suggestion it never hurts to ask after what is the worse they can do? say no? |
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| 23:32.36 | Aishiko | I'm sorry that sounds harsher then I meant it to be |
| 23:33.12 | sambee | ok, i will ask an english copy to my university |
| 23:33.24 | Aishiko | and I misread neverpanic to read didn't not did I'm going to go get some more ginkgo |
| 23:33.29 | sambee | else i will translate a french one |
| 23:33.39 | sambee | thank you everyone |
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| 23:55.29 | nyzuul | I have a quick question. I have experience with programming small programs but I've never worked on a large project like the ones listed. Will this disqualify me from GSoC or put me at a disadvantage? |
| 23:56.47 | ojwb | short answer, no, most students are in that position |
| 23:56.51 | ojwb | !amigoodenough | nyzuul |
| 23:56.52 | gsocbot | nyzuul: "amigoodenough" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
| 23:57.07 | nyzuul | I'll take a look, thank you |
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