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00:51.38MonkeyDhey guys, I'm a semi-new/intermediate programmer in C++/C#/Python. I'd love to try out for gsoc but this is my first time doing so. do you think I should try now, or wait until next summer and give it a go?
00:52.33Catfish_Mannothing at stake but your time and self esteem if you aren't successful; if you've got a decent supply of both I'd say go for it :)
00:52.42ChrisOelmuellerMonkeyD: a nice read is http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/am-i-good-enough/
00:53.53MonkeyDthank you :)
00:55.32MonkeyDhmm
00:55.43MonkeyDseems like I fit that criteria lol
00:55.55MonkeyDany tips for applying to a first project? =)
00:56.08Catfish_Manget involved early
00:56.17MonkeyDis it early enough now? haha
00:56.21Catfish_Mansure
00:56.33Catfish_Manit's a good way to be known to potential mentors, and to evaluate whether you're interested in and ready for working on that project
00:57.19MonkeyDawesome!
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00:57.38MonkeyDhave you participated in gsoc before Catfish_Man?
00:57.47Catfish_ManI was a mentor in 2006, 2007, and 2008
00:58.20MonkeyDah, cool :) what projects if you dont mind me asking?
00:58.46Catfish_ManAdium
00:58.57Catfish_Manit was fun :)
00:59.03MonkeyD:D
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00:59.13DarthGandalfMore important is what FOSS projects are interesting for you
00:59.58MonkeyDi havent even gone over them yet. I only seriously started looking into the program last night...
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01:01.23MonkeyDsomething dealing with django/python would be pretty awesome
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01:04.57MonkeyDhow can i find if a particular company/project i'd like to work on is doing gsoc activities? Or are all open sourced projects generally acceptable?
01:05.12Catfish_ManMonkeyD: the list of accepted mentoring organizations for 2013 hasn't been decided yet, afaik
01:05.17Catfish_Manbut you can look at the 2012 list for a decent idea
01:05.47MonkeyDah, that explains it lol
01:05.52MonkeyDwill do Catfish_Man!
01:07.55MonkeyDwhat type of things did adium do?
01:08.40Catfish_Manwhat stuff did SOC students work on for it you mean? Or what does the project do?
01:09.18MonkeyDwhat did the SOC students work on?
01:09.57Catfish_Manhmm. *dredges up old memories*
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01:10.31MonkeyDlol
01:11.17Catfish_ManMonkeyD: a new UI widget (replacing a horrible old tab control), video chat (wasn't successful, but a valiant attempt), a rewrite of XMPP support, what else...
01:11.40Catfish_Manoh, link-local file transfer was one
01:12.19Catfish_Mangroup chat rewrite
01:12.25Catfish_Manexpanded scripting support
01:12.38Catfish_ManMonkeyD: http://adium.im/blog/category/gsoc/
01:15.11MonkeyDnice
01:15.13MonkeyD*clicks*
01:16.32MonkeyDpretty awesome stuff
01:19.04MonkeyDwhat went wong with teh video chat idea?
01:19.48Catfish_Manlanguage barrier (had to learn Adium and ObjC at the same time), and it's just an enormous task
01:20.02MonkeyDheh, fair enough
01:20.22Catfish_Manthat was definitely a case of "mentors so dazzled by credentials that they accepted an unrealistic project"
01:20.43MonkeyDheh, do you ever plan to try again?
01:21.07Catfish_Manunlikely. Work keeps me pretty busy these days, and I'm not really involved with Adium anymore
01:21.24Catfish_Manhehe maybe someday CoreFoundation will participate and I could mentor. That would be amusing
01:21.30Catfish_Man(don't hold your breath)
01:21.35MonkeyDhaha
01:21.43MonkeyDwhy not?
01:22.18Catfish_Maneh. It's barely an open source project.
01:22.43Catfish_Manmore "source available"
01:24.13MonkeyDi see
01:25.18MonkeyDI'm just now getting interested in open source development
01:25.40MonkeyDeven if gsoc doesnt accept me i could at least have a nifty list of decent projects hehe
01:25.55Catfish_Manyeah, nothing stops you from doing things even if not part of gsoc :)
01:26.02Catfish_Man's what I did, and it turned out great
01:27.40MonkeyD:D
01:28.16Catfish_Mananyway, my bus is a few hundred feet from my stop
01:28.19Catfish_Manso I'm gonna head out
01:28.20Catfish_Manenjoy gsoc :)
01:28.27MonkeyDadios! thanks for all the help
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01:40.31jokeasTerHello
01:41.40jokeasTerGuess everyone is afk then  huh
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01:41.59CervatorHi jokeasTer - that's the IRC way :-)
01:47.11jokeasTerI have a few questions that maybe some of you mods/more experiences types would be able to answer
01:47.46CervatorProbably not me then - first time org registrant, but if you don't ask you won't get an answer for sure
01:47.52jokeasTer1) What is the time commitment of GSOC? Does it vary by project? Would I be able to do GSOC along with a full (or part time) internship elsewhere?
01:48.06ojwbnot realistically
01:48.42jokeasTer2) How does GSOC look on the resume? Compared to other generic mobile dev internships etc... My goal is to score interviews and eventually be employed as an SE at one of the Big 4 (M$, Goog etc.)
01:49.35jokeasTerI currently have a few offers, one in IT, a couple for Android/iOS dev shops and a DBA one.....any idea how these would compare?
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01:51.28CervatorI'd suspect that depends - GSOC might be greater for Google positions. Seems a very well-known brand either way though
01:51.37ojwbi've not been involved in recruitment for such companies, or for any company siince gsoc started
01:52.03ojwbbut I think I'd view it as positive, especially as you can go and look at the code produced
01:53.30CervatorOne thing though - which may sound funny from an org applicant - GSOC isn't who you'll actually do work for, so a serious local company vs. an online open source project? That again likely will heavily depend on the org you end up with
01:53.32ojwbdepends on the internships probably, but that's harder to go and look up online
01:54.16CervatorProbably will matter more if you do a round of GSOC for a group like Apache instead of my little game dev org :D
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01:54.53jokeasTerApache participates in gsoc?
01:55.09ojwbthey certainly have
01:55.16ojwbwe don't know who's taking part this year yet
01:55.29CervatorI just needed a name, picked Apache at random :-)
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01:59.06jokeasTerHave any of you guys done gsoc previously? If so could ya give a quick run down of your experiences
01:59.18CervatorFirst timer here
02:00.48Asix3I don't have much coding background, but have gotten accepted to a master's program in computer science -- do I have a shot?
02:01.23ojwb!amigoodenough | Asix3
02:01.24gsocbotAsix3: "amigoodenough" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/
02:01.30anth_rAsix3: same shot as everyone else. if you can turn in a good application and convince your potential mentors, sure.
02:01.43anth_ralso, yeah, what the bot said. ☺
02:02.11Asix3ooo, interesting
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02:07.58jokeasTerIs GSOC competitive?
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02:18.57ojwbjokeasTer: the application process is
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02:19.14ojwbif you're accepted, you aren't competing with anyone at that point
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02:25.14jokeasTerSo you don't know if you were selected unti llate may?
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02:27.06ojwbyeah, may 27th
02:27.16jokeasTerwow
02:27.25jokeasTerso what if you started another internship by then
02:27.31jokeasTergotta quit after 2 weeks to do gsoc? Seems kind of late to me
02:27.36ojwbthen you can't realistically do gsoc
02:27.50ojwbwhenever the date is, it won't work for some people
02:28.08ojwbthey're trying moving things about 2 weeks later this year, as people moaned it was too early
02:35.26jokeasTerI am looking over some of these older projects; some of them seem pretty nuts
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02:47.49MonkeyDjokeasTer: which ones seem nuts??
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02:52.17jokeasTerAre you supposed to be well versed in whatever companies software you are applying to?
02:53.37ojwbthe organisations aren't companies
02:53.53ojwbbut no, most students aren't familiar before they start
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03:33.16edsiperi am remembering one frustrating thing about one GSoC student last year: he completed his project successfully, but when the program ended he told me: i am joining Microsoft :(
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04:11.11MonkeyDedsiper: isn't that a good thing?
04:12.21ChrisOelmuellernot for the open-source world and the project losing a contributor
04:12.36MonkeyDtrue...
04:12.46MonkeyDhe could still do open-source in his spare time, though
04:13.00anth_rmaybe. who knows what he does in his spare time, and even what effect he has inside MS.
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14:03.28parthihow can i prepare myself for gsoc project?
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14:08.27LotusEchoparthi: As a student, once the organizations are approved, I find it's best to start looking into projects that interest you. Speak with the members of their project (their IRC channel is a great place to go for that usually). This gives you two sources of information on what their project needs and a good connection going forward.
14:09.59parthiwill there be any java projects especially android projects ?
14:10.19sunuparthi: yes.
14:10.38parthihow may was there last year ?
14:10.47parthi#many
14:11.21sunusearch for them at melange with your keywords like java, android etc.
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14:13.19sunuparthi: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2012 there search for android
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16:03.22kolyaflashhi there
16:03.38hereticgodkolyaflash, hi
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17:27.20Ch3ckhi
17:28.13frenchie4111Hi
17:30.26Crystallis!next
17:30.27gsocbotCrystallis: "next" is April 8: Accepted mentor organizations announced
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17:31.37rihnapstor!next
17:31.40gsocbotrihnapstor: "next" is April 8: Accepted mentor organizations announced
17:32.45frenchie4111What else can he do?
17:32.54StarLight!help
17:32.54gsocbotStarLight: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
17:33.06paultagcalm down, calmn down
17:33.21paultagtake it into a PM if you really want to play with it
17:34.43frenchie4111Translation: "Get a room"
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17:45.29carolsserves some tea and coffee
17:45.33carolshappy friday everyon
17:45.35carolseveryone
17:45.52DeNiS_Mfriday at last
17:46.39DeNiS_Mbbt episode is out
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18:11.30carldanicarols: Third round, or fourth round already?
18:11.40carolscarldani: we're pretty much done at this point :-)
18:11.52carolsjust a few tweaks, but luckily it's basically done with.
18:12.07carldanicarols: Congratulations, enjoy your weekend!
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18:12.11edsiperwow
18:12.18edsiperso i can say : 3 days :)
18:12.24carolscarldani: thanks :-)
18:12.42carldanicarols: Sleep deficit?
18:12.58carolscarldani: eh, not really. but definitely too much work for this week.
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18:14.37sunucarols: that explains your frequent cups of coffee and tea :p
18:14.53carolsindeed!
18:14.54anth_ralso, coffee and tea are excellent!
18:15.01carolsthere have been a few too many this week, actually.
18:15.33sunuhehe
18:16.47carldaniSomebody needs to fix the topic to say "Review is pretty much done, wait for the results"
18:17.47carldaniWho's taking bets about how long it takes until people start pestering carols with pleas to release the results early?
18:17.50gevaertsDon't. We don't want people to start asking why they have to wait
18:17.58carolswhy plead?
18:18.06carolsthey know when the date they are announced is..
18:18.15carolswhat would be the point of pleading?
18:18.28carolsand really, does it matter that much?
18:18.29carols2 days?
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18:19.37carldaniSome prospective students could use the weekend to apply for internships if their desired project is not selected... but that's a weak argument.
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18:20.06sunuis already super excited
18:20.09Nightrosecarols: two days less that the excitement could kill someone ;-)
18:20.22sunu^^ that
18:20.23carolsah, right.
18:20.33carolsof course :-)
18:21.10carldaniWhen you're running low on beta blockers, that may indeed be a matter of life and death :-P
18:21.11rihnapstorstunned.
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18:22.08carolsi think a person's personal problems are really none of our business, carldani :-)
18:22.37carldanicarols: Fortunately.
18:22.38Nightrosecarols: have we thanked you this year already for once again going through all the applications?
18:22.53carolsNightrose: haha, not yet. no need for thanks, though :-)
18:23.08Nightrosenah nah nah - a thank you is in order ;-)
18:23.11Nightrosethank you!
18:23.23carolswell, you're welcome :-)
18:23.26carolsit's a labor of love.
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18:31.20bohoocarols, might I ask if chromium is entering gsoc with their new forked blink engine?
18:31.37carolsbohoo: have you asked them?
18:31.47bohoonope, sorry
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18:31.59carols:-)
18:41.27bohooyep, they applied, sorry for the inconvenience
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18:47.14sunubohoo: nice. I didn't know about blink :P
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18:56.09bahaasunu: I just learned about it today
18:56.20bahaacnet rss feed
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18:59.27sunuMore browser engines hopefully don't imply more cross browser issues :/
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19:01.48bahaathey did that to speed up development and apply ideas that would take "ages" to be agreed upon by all webkit maintainers, I hope they merge back once they prove their ideas are sound
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19:04.34JordiGHwonders if FreedomSponsors will ever really take off.
19:04.40hereticgodcarols, thx you too
19:04.41JordiGHHave any of you used it?
19:04.54carolshereticgod: thanks for what?
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19:05.46hereticgod<carols> happy friday everyon
19:05.56carolsthanks :-)
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19:51.46sonney2k!next
19:51.48gsocbotsonney2k: "next" is April 8: Accepted mentor organizations announced
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20:09.22gevaertspours a cup of coffee for edsiper
20:12.09edsiperthanks gevaerts !
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21:31.24downeycarols: does OSPO have any magical tips about dealing with import customs fees when shipping shirts around the world?
21:31.43carolsdowney: customs fees?
21:31.46carolstell me more.
21:31.50carolsyou mean how to reimburse people?
21:31.56carolsor how to avoid them in the first place?
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21:32.45downeycarols: e.g., recipients may or may not have to pay fees to accept their t-shirts. wondered if gsoc has any approach in how to deal with that, or just let the recipients deal with it if and when it comes up
21:33.12carolsunfortunately different country's customs will decide arbitrary which packages they want to hold and charge fees for.
21:33.38carolsfilling out the forms completely in compliance with that particular country's regulations will help *some of the time*
21:34.02carolsbut that's part of the reason we're not shipping shirts to students in some countries this year.
21:34.14carolsthe customs officials have just gotten to the point of wanting bribes in some places.
21:34.21carolsand we're not willing to play that game.
21:34.41carolsit's a shame, too, because the person who suffers is the student.
21:34.49carolsthe customs people will just get the money somewhere else.
21:34.57carolsanyway, i'm done, sorry for the rant.
21:34.58downeycarols: i've had the same experience but wondered if y'all have developed any kind of "secret sauce" to minimize headaches (e.g., how best to accurately describe the shipment based on what's inside the box, etc.) :)
21:35.07downeyshares your rant over a fresh cup of tea
21:35.15carolsyeah, our secret sauce is not shipping to some countries now. :-/
21:35.21downeyheh
21:35.24downeysad
21:36.37downeyonly does 1 or 2 hoodies per month to random countries and that's enough headache for him - can't imagine how you all cope
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21:37.49carolsyeah, well, we also outsource it to a logistics company too.
21:37.54carolsbut even they have problems.
21:38.36downeyentropy--
21:40.01edsiperi got the same problem when getting my t-shirt, the custom was not able to understand that it was a gift.
21:40.51downeyedsiper: i imagine way too many people abuse the system with "gifts" that really aren't
21:41.18bahaasome mentors will have to deal with shirtless students this summer
21:41.28downeyheh
21:42.24downeyi guess google could try to release the t-shirt printing under a free art license so people could print their own shirts :)
21:43.06ojwbthat might dilute their uniqueness just a little
21:43.08bahaathen again, some students will just paste a printed A4 to their shirts
21:43.08edsiperdowney, i understand, but that is country custom specific, some customs are more problematic than others..
21:43.44downeyedsiper: yeah seems to be the case
21:44.10bahaathey should call it "Customs…"
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