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| 00:02.15 | frenchie4111 | My passwords are just 20-30 chrarcter sentences normally |
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| 00:06.49 | gevaerts | frenchie4111: is your irc password something like "My passwords are just 20-30 chrarcter sentences normally"? ;) |
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| 00:09.01 | afahim | My passwords are 20-30 sentences normally |
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| 00:10.28 | frenchie4111 | gevaerts, ...maybe |
| 00:10.40 | frenchie4111 | gives gevaerts a shifty look |
| 00:10.56 | gevaerts | :) |
| 00:11.32 | carldani | heh. use ":wq" or "sync" or "logout" as password |
| 00:12.40 | gevaerts | Goodnight! |
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| 00:37.15 | frenchie4111 | use /ns identify as password |
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| 13:30.08 | ravenlock | looks around |
| 13:30.14 | ravenlock | ugh… is it monday yet? |
| 13:31.02 | vultraz | Last I checked it was Thursday |
| 13:31.23 | vultraz | Unless we all had some massive Hangover-esq time lapse and it's suddenly Monday :P |
| 13:31.32 | aghisla | It's Caturday! have some tea. |
| 13:34.08 | gevaerts | ravenlock: it was monday *three days* ago! |
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| 13:34.37 | ravenlock | gevaerts, NooOOooOoo!!! I missed it?!?! |
| 13:35.04 | gevaerts | Don't worry |
| 13:35.12 | gevaerts | There's bound to be another one somewhere next week |
| 13:36.57 | |Kev| | We haven't decided if we're running Monday again next week. But you can look at the days that were involved last week, and that's a pretty good estimation of which days would apply if we run the week again. |
| 13:37.20 | gevaerts | :) |
| 13:39.56 | vultraz | hopes Monday doesn't get accepted |
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| 16:50.44 | macobo | Go figure - the whole semester I would have had plenty of time to go through all the organizations, but next week I'll be away to instruct young ones in a programming competition in Germany. |
| 16:51.03 | macobo | Hopefully the orgs won't be sick of students by the second week (fat chance of that happening). :P |
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| 16:53.44 | MatthewWilkes | macobo: hehe, no worries there |
| 16:54.54 | anth_r | "I wish all these good students would stop showing up." |
| 16:54.59 | anth_r | --No org admin, ever. |
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| 17:08.13 | carols | serves some coffee and tea |
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| 17:11.18 | |Kev| | Here, I seem to have some spare jam doughnuts too :) |
| 17:11.26 | carols | jam doughnuts? |
| 17:11.28 | carols | that sounds amazing. |
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| 17:11.54 | JordiGH | !next |
| 17:11.56 | gsocbot | JordiGH: "next" is April 8: Accepted mentor organizations announced |
| 17:11.59 | gevaerts | Oooh! Jam doughnuts! |
| 17:12.07 | gevaerts | thinks they will go well with coffee |
| 17:13.19 | edsiper | 4 days... :) |
| 17:13.48 | carols | please don't remind me, edsiper. |
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| 17:14.17 | carols | it's been a long week. |
| 17:14.18 | edsiper | haha |
| 17:14.20 | carols | and it's not over yet :-) |
| 17:14.35 | JordiGH | How many orgs still on the cutting board? |
| 17:15.11 | edsiper | carols, i think so, good luck! |
| 17:15.20 | carols | thanks. :-) |
| 17:15.24 | carols | JordiGH: enough. |
| 17:15.37 | carols | however, not enough that i'm not really sad about a lot of our decisions already. |
| 17:15.55 | carols | i hate the part where we have to cut orgs simply because of constraints and nothing to do with the orgs. |
| 17:15.56 | JordiGH | Will there be more orgs overall this year or about the same? |
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| 17:16.08 | carols | JordiGH: that's answered in our FAQ :-) |
| 17:16.12 | |Kev| | Haha. |
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| 17:16.32 | edsiper | JordiGH, whats your org ? |
| 17:16.36 | JordiGH | 180. |
| 17:16.41 | JordiGH | edsiper: Mercurial and Octave. |
| 17:16.53 | edsiper | oh two orgs.. |
| 17:17.19 | JordiGH | GNU Octave. |
| 17:17.19 | carols | saw a lot of admins submit apps for multiple orgs this year |
| 17:17.37 | edsiper | wondering how is that possible. |
| 17:18.05 | carols | i think there's a lot of cross-pollination in open source, and people are associated with multiple projects.. |
| 17:18.06 | JordiGH | There's no rule against it. |
| 17:18.25 | carols | and no reason for there to be. |
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| 17:18.37 | carols | we have no problem with people being associated with multiple groups :-) |
| 17:18.41 | edsiper | yeah, sounds part of the ecosystem |
| 17:18.41 | |Kev| | Mentoring for multiple orgs seems pretty much impossible (in spare time), but I can't see why you couldn't co-admin multiple orgs, once you know what you're doing. |
| 17:18.48 | |Kev| | Not that I ever want to try taking on that much work :) |
| 17:18.55 | JordiGH | If you get to go to the mentor summit, what will your nametag say? |
| 17:19.03 | carols | well, yes, taking on that much work is another question.. |
| 17:19.11 | carols | JordiGH: your name tag will say the name of the org that sent you. |
| 17:19.28 | JordiGH | |Kev|: Well, I heard people had done that in the past, multiply admin, and survived, so hell, why not me? |
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| 17:21.58 | JordiGH | heard on the grapevine that there will be a SOCIS this year. |
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| 17:22.34 | carols | SOCIS? |
| 17:22.45 | JordiGH | ESA's copycat GSoC. |
| 17:22.56 | JordiGH | European Space Agency. |
| 17:23.14 | carols | ah, cool :-) |
| 17:23.15 | JordiGH | It's much smaller, only 18 orgs last year, most only got one slot. |
| 17:23.27 | JordiGH | We got two. :-) |
| 17:23.29 | carols | sounds great. |
| 17:23.36 | carols | i love more people doing GSoC-like programs. |
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| 17:25.26 | edsiper | carols, why the 2013 program logo is identical to 2012 ? |
| 17:25.35 | carols | edsiper: why not? |
| 17:25.43 | carols | i thought it was a pretty nice logo, don't you? |
| 17:25.50 | sunu | I like the logo |
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| 17:25.58 | carols | me too, sunu :-) |
| 17:26.23 | edsiper | just a comment, its nice.. but i always was expecting how the new logo will be next year (just personal expectations) |
| 17:26.43 | carols | well, we're keeping you on your toes in that case. |
| 17:27.07 | edsiper | hehe |
| 17:27.14 | carols | :-) |
| 17:27.23 | carols | besides, it's not the same logo. |
| 17:27.25 | edsiper | people tend to be demanding :) |
| 17:27.32 | carols | there are balloons in the background instead of flags :-) |
| 17:27.44 | sunu | :-D |
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| 17:28.19 | edsiper | i did not notice that |
| 17:28.19 | saurabhsood91 | carols: did not see that all about the logos... :D |
| 17:28.28 | carols | saurabhsood91: well now you do :-) |
| 17:28.39 | saurabhsood91 | found that awesome :D |
| 17:28.42 | saurabhsood91 | subtle |
| 17:28.46 | carols | i think they're very subtle |
| 17:28.50 | carols | very nice design. |
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| 17:29.17 | saurabhsood91 | loved both last years logo, and now find this year's even more awesome ;) |
| 17:29.43 | Darrel | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2011 That's simply the best in my opinion :) |
| 17:30.11 | JordiGH | The Tron one? |
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| 17:30.46 | Darrel | Yep |
| 17:30.59 | JordiGH | The 2012 is missing the (tm) in the Google logo. |
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| 17:31.29 | carols | as it turns out, we don't need to display the trademark logo. |
| 17:31.36 | carols | that's another thing our lawyers helped us with this year. |
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| 17:32.24 | JordiGH | idgi, you added the logo in 2013 because you don't need it? |
| 17:32.40 | Darrel | Ahahaha |
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| 19:17.41 | Guest67453 | Hi all. I have a question regarding participation as a student.I'm from austria and I finished my "a-levels/university-entrance diploma" (called Matura/Abitur here) last year and will start studying at a university this year in september. Currently, I'm not enrolled in the school I used to be nor in the university |
| 19:18.05 | Guest67453 | can someone tell me whether I'm allowed to participate? or at least tell me whom I should ask |
| 19:18.14 | carols | Guest67453: are you *accepted* into a university? |
| 19:18.23 | carols | even if you're not yet attending? |
| 19:19.34 | Guest67453 | carols: no, not yet. the general registration starts in june, so I can't do that yet. I already asked them whether I could do that earlier, but no answer so far |
| 19:19.49 | carols | ok, then no, you can't participate. |
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| 19:20.20 | Guest67453 | afaik people who were in the same school I used to be were able to participate |
| 19:20.51 | carols | well, did they provide proof of acceptance into a university? |
| 19:20.57 | carols | they must have if they participated :-) |
| 19:21.12 | Guest67453 | carols: university is not the only thing that is accepted, is it? |
| 19:21.26 | carols | well, i think countries define university differently. |
| 19:21.29 | Guest67453 | (I hate those differences between the education systems around the world...) |
| 19:21.33 | carols | post-secondary is what it's often called. |
| 19:21.52 | carols | i'm just using the word university as a catch all because i'm tired of typing this week. |
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| 19:23.06 | gevaerts | suggests "tertiary", which is shorter than "university" :) |
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| 19:23.23 | waldi | carols: high school in the us is considered secondary? |
| 19:23.24 | carols | that's a good suggestion, gevaerts :-) i hope it comes into common parlance. |
| 19:23.28 | carols | waldi: yes. |
| 19:23.34 | carols | well, no. |
| 19:23.36 | carols | somewhat. |
| 19:23.37 | Guest67453 | well, I hope to be able to enroll before the general registration date. if not, no gsoc for me this year. thanks carols |
| 19:23.41 | carols | again, it depends on the country. |
| 19:23.47 | carols | great, thanks Guest67453 |
| 19:23.49 | gevaerts | carols: actually, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertiary_education :) |
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| 19:23.55 | carols | well, yes |
| 19:23.57 | gevaerts | "Tertiary education, also referred to as third stage, third level, and post-secondary education" |
| 19:24.02 | carols | but most people don't use that word, gevaerts :-) |
| 19:24.11 | gevaerts | Most people are wrong! |
| 19:24.19 | carols | i agree with you there, my friend. |
| 19:24.41 | gevaerts | Good! Let's have a cup of tea to celebrate :) |
| 19:24.52 | carols | sips some tea |
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| 19:24.56 | carols | good plan, gevaerts! |
| 19:25.31 | gevaerts | enjoys his tea |
| 19:26.59 | JordiGH | I wonder where do things that are between university and "high school" fit in. Here in Soviet Canuckistan we have colleges and CEGEPs, which correspond to grade 12 and university freshman in the US. |
| 19:27.24 | JordiGH | Well, I think only Québec has these now. I think they got rid of them in Ontario a long time ago. |
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| 19:28.00 | JordiGH | You do 11 years of elementary education, and if you want to go to university, you spend two years in a CEGEP, which roughly corresponds to the 12 year of high school and the first of university in the US. |
| 19:28.40 | JordiGH | Punctuated by two summers of protesting tuition hikes on the streets of Mtl... :-) |
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| 19:38.13 | JordiGH | It's kinda amazing that we get people submitting patches, which is already a considerable effort, and when I tell them to polish their patch this or that way, they almost always do it. I've been told that having standards scares contributors away, but I don't know if this is actually true. |
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| 19:57.54 | |Kev| | JordiGH: There's a world of difference between having standards and being an arse about it. I think people generally don't like the latter. |
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| 19:58.30 | JordiGH | But I'm picky about some really trivial things, like the format of the commit message. |
| 19:58.45 | JordiGH | This has never really scared anyone away. |
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| 20:08.44 | serge_sans_paill | carols, is there any interaction between the reviewers and the project submitters during the review process ? |
| 20:08.55 | carols | serge_sans_paill: um, what? |
| 20:08.57 | carols | oh |
| 20:09.08 | carols | you mean does google ask the potential mentoring orgs questions? |
| 20:09.22 | serge_sans_paill | yup |
| 20:09.42 | carols | nope. |
| 20:09.52 | carols | your application speaks for itself at this point. |
| 20:09.56 | carols | it's like applying to college. |
| 20:10.08 | serge_sans_paill | ^^! |
| 20:10.11 | carols | you submit it and then you receive notification at some point later. |
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| 20:10.31 | serge_sans_paill | fair enough |
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| 20:11.07 | carols | :-) |
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| 21:14.45 | baba | the student is selected by whom google, organization or the mentor in charge of that specific project. |
| 21:15.03 | anth_r | the orgs select the students. |
| 21:15.26 | anth_r | that presumably means with the mentors' input. |
| 21:15.28 | carols | baba: the org. |
| 21:18.26 | baba | carols: for eg there is a project and for a specific project there are like 10 applications. than how is specific application selected by the mentor or the org ? |
| 21:18.42 | carols | baba: by whatever criteria they choose to use. |
| 21:18.45 | carols | you should ask them. |
| 21:19.16 | baba | carols: ok :) |
| 21:19.21 | ojwb | there were 6685 student proposals last year - if carols spent 5 minutes reading each one, for 40 hours per week, it would take her almost exactly the length of the coding period to review them all... |
| 21:19.35 | carols | shudders |
| 21:19.50 | ojwb | carols: see, it could be much worse! |
| 21:20.14 | carols | you're telling me that now? while i've spent the last 6 days reviewing org apps for like 10 hours a day? |
| 21:20.57 | anth_r | <carols> it's like applying to college. |
| 21:21.04 | baba | carols: you are the main person in charge for reviewing the org apps ...!! |
| 21:21.05 | anth_r | this whole process just got a lot more frightening. ;-) |
| 21:21.09 | baba | carols: that's great :) |
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| 21:21.15 | carols | baba: well, this is my full time job, after all. |
| 21:21.29 | ojwb | baba: she's the main person in charge of gsoc |
| 21:21.31 | JordiGH | I wonder how many people would still do GSoC only so that they could put "Google" on their CV, i.e., no money. |
| 21:21.36 | baba | carols: :) |
| 21:22.03 | JordiGH | Conversely, I wonder how many people are actually motivated to get involved with an org without participating in GSoC at all (i.e. without putting "Google" in their CV). |
| 21:22.21 | baba | JordiGH: perfect question...!!! |
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| 21:22.49 | JordiGH | We tell a bunch of people who aren't elligible for GSoC, "you can work for an org anyways". Does this ever convince anyone? I get the feeling that the real lure of the project is the Google brand, except in places where 5000 USD is a small fortune. |
| 21:23.09 | ojwb | i suspect few are able to devote 3 months full time to it without a payment |
| 21:24.12 | carols | JordiGH: it does! i happen to know of at least two students who didn't get into gsoc and worked for the orgs anyway and came back the following year to apply again and got in. |
| 21:24.25 | ojwb | but plenty of people join projects without doing gsoc |
| 21:24.38 | JordiGH | I see. |
| 21:27.06 | baba | what if i am in the last year of my graduation. than can i apply for gsoc ? |
| 21:27.32 | carols | baba: are you an enrolled student in your university on may 27 of this year? |
| 21:27.38 | carols | or accepted. |
| 21:29.04 | baba | currently i am in 3 year. but if i am in last year than during that time my graduation result would be declared on around June |
| 21:29.15 | carols | so what is your student status on may 27? |
| 21:29.16 | LotusEcho | carols: Totally true on the joining orgs anyway after getting denied (or, in my case, getting no response from the org at all). Now I work on MediaGoblin and submit sporadic patches to other projects as well. :) |
| 21:29.26 | carols | LotusEcho: awesome :-) |
| 21:29.45 | baba | Exams would be completed by 1 st may. |
| 21:29.48 | edsiper | JordiGH, in our org one rejected student did his project anyways |
| 21:29.56 | carols | baba: you still haven't answered my question. |
| 21:30.04 | JordiGH | edsiper: And succeeded? |
| 21:30.20 | edsiper | JordiGH, he completed his project, as of today.. he is a core contributor :) |
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| 21:30.32 | JordiGH | edsiper: nice. |
| 21:30.41 | edsiper | motivation is the key |
| 21:30.50 | baba | carols: yes i would be enrolled on may 27 |
| 21:30.58 | carols | baba: great, then there's your answer. |
| 21:32.09 | baba | ok :) |
| 21:32.16 | LotusEcho | I think just having these kind of events and meet-ups helps spur contribution. (LibrePlanet / OSCON helped for me). |
| 21:36.15 | carols | LotusEcho: those conferences usually just leave me wanting a nap. |
| 21:36.21 | carols | probably all the talking and thinking i do. |
| 21:36.34 | carols | or maybe i just want a nap this week after all the org app reviews i've done. |
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| 21:39.42 | sunu | I haven't attended any tech meetups yet :/. Hoping to attend pycon india this year :) |
| 21:40.03 | carols | that sounds fun, sunu |
| 21:40.32 | sunu | carols: But I miss local meetups :( |
| 21:40.41 | carols | so host one yourself :-) |
| 21:41.46 | sunu | Trying. But there is no userbase and we need a place to do the meetup too. |
| 21:42.01 | sunu | So there are a few hurdles :/ |
| 21:42.34 | carols | well, good luck getting it together :-) |
| 21:42.37 | carols | let me know if i can help. |
| 21:42.58 | sunu | Hopefully we can do something about it this year :D |
| 21:43.50 | carols | good luck :-) |
| 21:44.02 | sunu | thanks :) |
| 21:44.02 | LotusEcho | carols: I remember your OSCON talk in 2010 (if I am not mistaken) it was a wild time. LibrePlanet this year seemed more low key. |
| 21:44.22 | bahaa | carols , I have a question, I am at my last semester at uni, my last exam is on 25th may, but last exams day is 1st june,, so it all boils down whether or not i can get a formal document shows that I am still as student as of 27th may ? |
| 21:44.22 | carols | 2010…that would have been the open source update with chris? |
| 21:44.34 | carols | baba: yep. |
| 21:44.39 | carols | that's exactly what it boils down to. |
| 21:45.05 | bahaa | thanks! |
| 21:45.08 | carols | yw |
| 21:45.17 | baba | carols: by mistake you highlighted me :D |
| 21:45.22 | carols | sorry. |
| 21:45.30 | carols | i'm doing about 400 things at once right now. |
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| 21:48.11 | baba | carols: np :) |
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