| 00:01.55 | eric0 | yes, should be, that james is a tricky one though! |
| 00:02.04 | carols | of course :-) |
| 00:02.10 | carols | this is open source we're talking about, after all. |
| 00:03.51 | eric0 | ok, thanks very much! i'll just take this tea and go sit in the corner. |
| 00:03.56 | carols | you're welcome. |
| 00:05.17 | ben_endpoint1 | On the organization application there is a question that says "If you chose "veteran" in the dropdown above, please summarize your involvement and the successes and challenges of your participation. Please also list your pass/fail rate for each year." |
| 00:05.47 | carols | yes, how can i help, ben_endpoint1? |
| 00:05.47 | ben_endpoint1 | That seems to be a mix of a personal question and a question concerning the organization. |
| 00:05.58 | carols | indeed. |
| 00:06.01 | carols | it is in fact both. |
| 00:06.03 | ben_endpoint1 | Ok :-) |
| 00:06.16 | carols | :-) |
| 00:06.25 | ben_endpoint1 | Thanks for the clarification. |
| 00:06.37 | carols | yw. |
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| 02:00.55 | downey | tea |
| 02:03.21 | downey | !logs |
| 02:03.34 | downey | hmm, where's the bot? :( |
| 02:04.20 | ravenlock | took off early for good fri? |
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| 02:08.14 | downey | guess so :D |
| 02:08.24 | downey | does anyone have the irc logs url? |
| 02:08.51 | sukhe | downey: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 02:09.08 | downey | thanks! :) |
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| 02:17.18 | Sachin | Can I find companies names and applications they are filing before tomorrow deadline? |
| 02:19.12 | anth_r | Sachin: i don't believe there's any such list (how could there be?) |
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| 02:22.04 | olly | you can't find a complete list easily, but generally orgs don't keep it a secret that they're applying |
| 02:23.09 | anth_r | some you can't get to shut up about it. |
| 02:23.14 | olly | so a web search for something like 'gsoc 2013 ideas' will find you a good sample |
| 02:23.17 | anth_r | and by "some" i mostly mean me. :-) |
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| 05:53.17 | tomreyn | hi |
| 05:53.55 | tomreyn | the deadline today, is this until when mentoring orgs need to have applied / registered or until when they must have both registered and provided project descriptions? |
| 05:56.13 | olly | they have to have filled in an application form |
| 05:56.36 | olly | but google look at the project lists when evaluating the orgs |
| 05:57.00 | olly | so there's not such a hard deadline on that, as it's on your website, but you should make sure it's in good shape |
| 05:57.59 | olly | tomreyn: hth |
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| 06:00.43 | tomreyn | olly: are you saying the projects' website should be i good shape? |
| 06:01.15 | tomreyn | i'm not sure what you mean by "as it's on your website", what's there? |
| 06:01.41 | Catfish_Man | the list of ideas should be on your website |
| 06:03.52 | tomreyn | but evaluating the org's takes place a little later, not like this weekend? |
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| 06:06.32 | tomreyn | i'm asking because we're, only now, considering to participate or not, but would not be able to come up with something acceptable within a day or two, so if project descriptions have to be up by today we'd rather wait until next year. |
| 06:07.17 | tomreyn | i.e. we wouldn't want to get started with some last minute approach since it would mean bad quality. |
| 06:07.27 | Catfish_Man | I can't speak for gsoc admins (talk to carols for that), but if you're just getting started, I'd say wait for next year |
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| 06:09.55 | tomreyn | thanks for sharing your opinion. |
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| 06:31.42 | edwardk | I'm being particularly dense and can't find where on the melange site i'm supposed to put in the org application |
| 06:32.08 | edwardk | nm, found it. its the big button on the front page |
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| 06:47.28 | KeithW | Hello all -- I'm finishing up an application for Mosh (as a new group) in GSoC '13. Do I understand correctly that we don't request a particular number of slots at this stage? |
| 06:48.07 | KeithW | We are only hoping for / asking for two slots, and were advised to note this somewhere on our application. Is there any view on how/where we should do that or whether it matters at this stage? |
| 06:49.30 | thiago | KeithW: correct, you request the slot number later |
| 06:49.34 | thiago | after you've received the proposals |
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| 06:52.34 | KeithW | Great, thanks. |
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| 06:57.36 | olly | tomreyn: in previous years I believe they've started to review org applications over the weekend |
| 06:58.19 | olly | i'd also say if you don't have an ideas list yet, it's probably not worth applying |
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| 07:19.26 | hatake | hi |
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| 07:25.46 | tomreyn | well we actually have a list of what needs to be done, and some of these could make a good match. we'll discuss internally. thanks for your feedback, olly. |
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| 13:00.34 | SSCV | Where will the communication happen for GSOC? |
| 13:00.46 | SSCV | I am not sure about the mail given: gsoc2013@itseez.com, is that a mailing list? |
| 13:02.28 | Triskelios | SSCV: that's not an official GSoC address. where did you see that? |
| 13:02.46 | SSCV | Triskelios: on the GSOC ideas page for opencv |
| 13:02.50 | SSCV | is it not valid? |
| 13:03.06 | Triskelios | SSCV: that's OpenCV specific, try asking #opencv |
| 13:03.08 | SSCV | oh my i am in the wrong chanel sorry |
| 13:03.15 | SSCV | yes sorry again, what is wrong with me ah |
| 13:03.32 | Triskelios | np |
| 13:04.00 | SSCV | by the way any people from Austria here? |
| 13:05.19 | SSCV | not sure how things work here, would i have to pay some taxes if I do GSOC and have a regular job at the same time? |
| 13:05.59 | gevaerts | SSCV: I can't tell you anything about taxes, but having two jobs doesn't sound like a good idea |
| 13:06.23 | SSCV | yes but I heard many people did so in previous gsoc summers |
| 13:06.45 | SSCV | it depends whether you can handle it I guess, there are geeks out there you know :) |
| 13:07.04 | gevaerts | Of course, but it's one of the most common causes for failure |
| 13:07.20 | |Kev| | In most countries you'll have to pay tax on any job, be it GSoC or something else. |
| 13:07.22 | SSCV | ok but it can be done, that was my question |
| 13:07.23 | |Kev| | I believe. |
| 13:07.33 | gevaerts | So many organisations do *not* like it |
| 13:07.36 | |Kev| | So you should ask an accountant in whatever legal areas you reside. |
| 13:07.37 | SSCV | |Kev|: not all from what I heard |
| 13:07.50 | SSCV | |Kev|: ok |
| 13:07.57 | |Kev| | And doing GSoC and a full time job is not a good idea (I don't think most orgs would accept it). |
| 13:08.31 | SSCV | |Kev|: not from what I heard |
| 13:08.44 | SSCV | depends on the org and on the individual, if you can do it and they are ok with that |
| 13:08.47 | SSCV | all good... |
| 13:08.50 | gevaerts | Sure |
| 13:08.59 | |Kev| | Sure. But most aren't OK with that, from what I understand. |
| 13:09.04 | gevaerts | What we're saying is that many are *not* ok with it |
| 13:09.14 | SSCV | yep I understand guys |
| 13:09.22 | gevaerts | If they are, fine, go ahead :) |
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| 13:09.32 | |Kev| | There is not time to do two 8 hour jobs and also get appropriate rest in a day. |
| 13:09.48 | SSCV | well my job would be related to what I would do for GSOC, so GSOC would be kind of an extension of my job so... |
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| 13:10.04 | |Kev| | That's also not generally a good idea. |
| 13:10.17 | gevaerts | suspects that there is a reasonably strong correlation between being OK with two jobs and being a new org :) |
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| 13:10.33 | paultag | +1 |
| 13:10.58 | |Kev| | Can that be rephrased as "Correlation between being OK with it and not having learned that it's a terrible idea yet"? :) |
| 13:11.03 | paultag | aye |
| 13:11.10 | SSCV | haha |
| 13:11.19 | SSCV | so I guess I should be looking for new orgs then |
| 13:11.32 | SSCV | just a joke |
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| 13:13.42 | gevaerts | As long as you don't try to lie about it, you're fine :) |
| 13:14.29 | gevaerts | Then at least us old-timers will just point and laugh at the organisation for not listening to us if things go wrong ;) |
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| 13:16.42 | SSCV | why would I lie, it's not like I will get paid 5000$ for it |
| 13:16.45 | SSCV | :D |
| 13:17.23 | |Kev| | Well, no. Best case is you get paid the initial payment and then get failed with a black mark against you on the Internet :p |
| 13:18.35 | SSCV | yeah |
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| 15:04.40 | carols | serves some coffee and tea |
| 15:04.53 | carols | wonders how many people will wait until the last moment to submit an app |
| 15:05.01 | anth_x | thanks! i'm running low. |
| 15:05.06 | dhaun | just sat down with a coffee, actually |
| 15:05.17 | buddycloud | has submitted. |
| 15:05.17 | anth_x | i woke up this morning in a panic that the deadline was 12 GMT, not 12 PST. |
| 15:05.32 | gevaerts | carols: my bet is seven complaints in the first hour after the deadline :) |
| 15:05.34 | dhaun | application submitted, just working on fleshing out another idea |
| 15:06.01 | carols | gevaerts: yeah, i actually completely agree with you on that. |
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| 15:06.58 | stefano-k | has submitted also :) |
| 15:08.34 | buddycloud | I had to point out to a prospective student today that submitting code copied from another opensouce project as his own wasn't a great idea. |
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| 15:10.59 | halfdan- | buddycloud: put him on a wall of shame |
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| 15:15.54 | gevaerts | halfdan-: I'd say for a first offense by someone new to the entire idea of openness, education might be better |
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| 15:29.02 | halfdan- | gevaerts: well, yeah, maybe. |
| 15:31.23 | liori | hello; my organization has a legal entity behind it. should we use its name instead of a common name known by users as an organization name? |
| 15:33.51 | downey | has his money on 5 extension requests |
| 15:34.11 | downey | liori: we use our common project name |
| 15:34.37 | gevaerts | downey: optimist! |
| 15:35.44 | downey | tea |
| 15:35.47 | liori | i guess the name here isn't that much necessary for legal matters as it is for recognizability among potential students and outside world, right? |
| 15:35.48 | carols | liori: use whatever you think will best identify you to the students. |
| 15:36.02 | liori | ah, so i thought. thank you |
| 15:36.10 | carols | yw |
| 15:36.33 | downey | liori: if your legal entity would receive payments and you're accepted this year, you'd need to use that name to register in google's accounting system |
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| 15:39.09 | |Kev| | downey: 5 seems awfully low. |
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| 15:39.30 | downey | |Kev|: i know ... just feeling lucky |
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| 15:40.29 | downey | i should have qualified the 5 as being requests on the list. IRC will be more :-P |
| 15:40.38 | |Kev| | Ah. Too late, no backsies. |
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| 15:42.14 | gevaerts | |Kev|: what's your number? |
| 15:42.24 | |Kev| | Don't tell him, Pike. |
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| 15:48.07 | gevaerts | :) |
| 15:48.42 | downey | heh |
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| 16:29.55 | edsiper | :) |
| 16:31.23 | scorche|sh | Good mooooooooooooooooorning GSoC! |
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| 17:11.27 | scorche|sh | Sounds like everyone is busy working on last-minute changes to their org apps ;) |
| 17:12.22 | anth_r | i just stopped. i've gotten to the point where every time i read it i can think of one or two words to change, but i'm not sure the net quality is really going up. |
| 17:12.30 | anth_r | so back to poking at our wiki, instead. |
| 17:12.41 | OsakaFoo | anth_r: Whats your org? |
| 17:12.47 | anth_r | Plan 9 |
| 17:12.55 | OsakaFoo | aaah cool |
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| 17:23.34 | edsiper | our org is ready... |
| 17:24.53 | meflin | makes popcorn for the can't I have an extensions festivities |
| 17:26.14 | scorche|sh | secretly sprinkles some Xanax over the popcorn for those wanting an extension |
| 17:28.51 | anth_r | did the max # of student applications drop this year or last year? |
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| 17:40.43 | ravenlock | where oh where has carols run off to? |
| 17:41.00 | ravenlock | I'm looking for the "application deadline extension" form. |
| 17:41.06 | ravenlock | can't seem to find it. |
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| 17:41.11 | ravenlock | :P |
| 17:41.11 | meflin | there isn't one |
| 17:41.18 | ravenlock | knows. |
| 17:41.21 | ravenlock | was a joke. |
| 17:41.23 | meflin | oh heh :) |
| 17:41.24 | ravenlock | had a simple question |
| 17:41.35 | ravenlock | maybe anyone can answer? |
| 17:42.17 | meflin | I doubt anyone can answer an unasked question |
| 17:42.36 | ravenlock | our preferrend method of authoring our ideas page would be…. one page with a few paragraphs of "blah", and then an index of the categorized ideas. with each index item pointing to a more detailed page. |
| 17:42.45 | ravenlock | is this acceptible? |
| 17:43.02 | ravenlock | (vs one looong page with all ideas and all idea details) |
| 17:43.23 | scorche|sh | ravenlock: it can be - there are multiple ways to do it ;) |
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| 17:44.00 | scorche|sh | if you are doing more detailed pages, make sure they are actually more detailed - it can be silly to go to a new page where there are 2 lines on that page ;) |
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| 17:44.16 | Ch3ck | hi there |
| 17:44.19 | Ch3ck | i am Nyah Check |
| 17:44.28 | scorche|sh | hi |
| 17:44.38 | Ch3ck | from Cameroon, Africa and i wish to participate in the Google summer of code |
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| 17:44.44 | ravenlock | scorche|sh, ok. sounds good. well the main page would have next to no idea information. |
| 17:44.49 | Ch3ck | i wish to know if there are any C projects |
| 17:44.51 | Ch3ck | ?? |
| 17:45.07 | scorche|sh | Ch3ck: there are no projects at all currently, as orgs are still applying! |
| 17:45.09 | Ch3ck | because thats the programming language i am really fluent in .. |
| 17:45.34 | Ch3ck | but i just wish to know if C programmers have participated in the past |
| 17:45.38 | scorche|sh | I am sure there will be |
| 17:45.40 | equinox | yes they have |
| 17:45.41 | Ch3ck | on the projects.. |
| 17:45.44 | scorche|sh | and yes they have |
| 17:45.46 | ravenlock | scorche|sh, just the idea index basically. |
| 17:45.48 | equinox | a lot of the projects use C |
| 17:45.50 | dhaun | ravenlock: we also have one page per idea plus an index page - worked in the past and I didn't hear any specific complaints in the years where we were not accepted |
| 17:45.52 | Ch3ck | ok thanks very much |
| 17:46.12 | Ch3ck | i am really excited to participate in these projects these year.. |
| 17:46.14 | scorche|sh | Ch3ck: in preparation for your participation, you likely want to look through here: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page |
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| 17:46.45 | ravenlock | dhaun, didn't hear anything bad in years NOT accepted?? |
| 17:46.46 | Ch3ck | thanks very much @scorche|ch |
| 17:47.14 | ravenlock | dhaun, by definition wouldn't NOT accepted be indication something went wrong? |
| 17:47.20 | dhaun | ravenlock: as in, it didn't sound like that format was the reason for not being accepted |
| 17:47.28 | Ch3ck | so what kind of projects have c programmers worked on in the past because i not relly worked on any large scale c projects before.. |
| 17:47.40 | Ch3ck | ?? |
| 17:47.54 | equinox | does anyone know if the org application needs to have all the mentors on it? |
| 17:48.11 | ravenlock | equinox, where does it request *any* ? |
| 17:48.14 | equinox | (yes i could probably google that ;) |
| 17:48.18 | dhaun | equinox: no, it doesn't - only admin + backup admin required at this point |
| 17:48.29 | equinox | ravenlock: thre's the connection thing on the dashboard which i haven't quite figured out how to use yet |
| 17:49.06 | Triskelios | equinox: mentors may sign up until shortly after the student applications are closed |
| 17:49.12 | equinox | i suppose the "my connections" thing is just there because it exists and will gain some function later... |
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| 17:49.19 | equinox | Triskelios: ah, great. |
| 17:49.24 | denten | hello all |
| 17:49.32 | equinox | makes sense, i suppose, since by then you know what ideas get realised :) |
| 17:49.53 | denten | does anybody know how to add a mentor to the mentoring org? |
| 17:49.57 | Ch3ck | hello @denten |
| 17:50.16 | denten | trying to find the place where the mentors fill in their bios |
| 17:50.18 | denten | in the app |
| 17:50.23 | equinox | denten: heh i just asked the same, they're not added yet at all it seems :) |
| 17:50.25 | dhaun | denten: mentors are only added after your org has been accepted |
| 17:50.33 | denten | oh! |
| 17:50.35 | denten | well |
| 17:50.39 | denten | that makes life easy |
| 17:50.49 | dhaun | can't hurt to list them on your ideas page, though :) |
| 17:50.50 | scorche|sh | denten: patience ;) |
| 17:51.22 | denten | phew |
| 17:51.30 | denten | i've spent an hour looking for the link |
| 17:51.39 | denten | thank you! |
| 17:51.48 | equinox | it's all due to last-minute panic craze... |
| 17:51.58 | denten | i am always crazed |
| 17:52.12 | equinox | if you put me in a forest right now, i swear i wouldn't see any trees |
| 17:52.16 | Ch3ck | ok guys regarding programming can any one please tell me some of the basic technical skills you'll need to work through a project successfully apart from knowing the mechanics of a language... |
| 17:52.28 | Ch3ck | algorithms?? networks?? |
| 17:52.32 | Ch3ck | or what?? |
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| 17:52.51 | equinox | Ch3ck: a lot of different organisations are applying for the summer of code to accept students |
| 17:53.03 | Ch3ck | ok |
| 17:53.04 | dhaun | Ch3ck: details depend on the org and the project you're going to work on |
| 17:53.16 | carols | sips some coffee and watches the org apps roll in |
| 17:53.17 | Ch3ck | ok |
| 17:53.17 | equinox | Ch3ck: you need to look for an organisation later that matches your area of interest and knowledge, and establish contact with them |
| 17:53.34 | Ch3ck | ok thanks @equinox |
| 17:53.42 | dhaun | Ch3ck: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
| 17:53.47 | anth_r | carols: it would be fun to see a scatter plot of how each time the "Submit" button is pressed. :-) |
| 17:53.53 | Ch3ck | so when do the student applications begin... |
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| 17:54.11 | Ch3ck | thanks @dhaun.. |
| 17:54.20 | carols | anth_r: we've gotten over 30 applications in less than the last 12 hours. |
| 17:55.35 | dhaun | Ch3ck: there's a handy timeline on the GSoC homepage: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 |
| 17:56.22 | Ch3ck | ok thanks @dhaun i see it now ... |
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| 17:56.34 | Ch3ck | can't wait to apply i'm just a freshman |
| 17:56.48 | Ch3ck | and i wish to make a great impact on opensource technology.. |
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| 18:00.12 | anth_r | carols: mostly i'm curious if my particular neurosies are at all common. :-) |
| 18:00.38 | carols | ah, well, maybe something to take up with a psychologist :-) |
| 18:00.58 | censorydep | I think it's like rule 43. If you have the neurosis, it's a good bet others share it… ;-) |
| 18:01.12 | anth_r | i.e. first submitted about 48 hours after the period opened, then frequency of changes increases until about T -3 hours, until i finally convince myself changing individual words isn't really likely to improve things more. |
| 18:06.14 | liori | carols: do you count submissions that are only edits, not new proposals? |
| 18:06.27 | carols | liori: in the number i mentioned above? |
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| 18:07.17 | liori | yep |
| 18:07.28 | carols | only new applications. |
| 18:07.39 | carols | i have no way of knowing how many edits have been done to an app. |
| 18:07.50 | carols | nor do i care :-) |
| 18:07.53 | liori | good. i think i already did 10 or so (-: |
| 18:07.59 | anth_r | otherwise a third of that number would be me. :-) |
| 18:08.08 | anth_r | (we really should send the melange guys some cookies) |
| 18:09.01 | carols | i always agree with sending the melange guys things. |
| 18:09.04 | carols | they work hard. |
| 18:09.18 | carols | and everyone seems to want to get angry at them. |
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| 18:14.24 | ockham | Is it compulsory to have an IRC channel? We don't really have one yet... |
| 18:14.50 | scorche|sh | ockham: no |
| 18:15.09 | ockham | scorche|sh: that's quite a relief. |
| 18:15.57 | scorche|sh | carols: heh - and for those of us who used the pre-melange system, we are eternally grateful ;) |
| 18:16.10 | anth_r | amen! |
| 18:16.15 | carols | scorche|sh: indeed. people have no idea what it used to be like :-) |
| 18:16.18 | carols | ockham: no |
| 18:16.41 | ockham | my other question: i'm just filling in the org application, and i'm afraid my backup org admin hasn't registered yet, and i can't seem to reach him. is that fatal? |
| 18:16.47 | equinox | hm, did Google actually figure out the first middle last name vs. middle first last name problem? |
| 18:16.49 | carols | ockham: yes |
| 18:16.56 | carols | you can't submit without a backup admin username |
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| 18:18.33 | paultag | hi, bernie! |
| 18:18.58 | bernie | hey! |
| 18:19.45 | ockham | carols: damn. |
| 18:19.51 | carols | yep. |
| 18:19.59 | carols | it's very important to us that you have a backup admin. |
| 18:20.51 | carols | but |
| 18:20.55 | weltall | carols, where can i put the source repository? |
| 18:21.01 | carols | you've got 40 minutes to have someone fill out a profile |
| 18:21.12 | carols | weltall: you mean the code submissions from students? |
| 18:21.16 | carols | or the source for melange? |
| 18:21.22 | carols | or something else? |
| 18:21.42 | weltall | no the source already done by the org and where would be new code be available |
| 18:22.13 | carols | weltall: um, you mean for organzations that have participated in gsoc in the past? |
| 18:22.41 | weltall | no a new org but which does opensource normally, or it doesn't matter seeing that it has opensource repositories available? |
| 18:22.52 | weltall | for now i've put it in the ideas page |
| 18:23.04 | carols | oooohhh |
| 18:23.10 | carols | you're asking me where you should put it? |
| 18:23.14 | carols | for your own org? |
| 18:23.31 | weltall | where shall i write it down so it's visible in the application |
| 18:23.37 | carols | we don't care :-) |
| 18:23.41 | weltall | ah ok :D |
| 18:23.43 | carols | wherever makes sense for you. |
| 18:24.30 | weltall | thanks a lot |
| 18:24.38 | carols | yw |
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| 18:29.35 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
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| 18:34.35 | OsakaFoo | takes a coffee |
| 18:34.40 | OsakaFoo | carols: Thank you. |
| 18:34.44 | carols | yw |
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| 18:43.00 | ravenlock | carols, still around? |
| 18:43.04 | carols | yes |
| 18:43.58 | ravenlock | I asked earlier if an ideas page which was primarily an "index" pointing to the detailed ideas was acceptable (vs one looong page with all ideas and all details) . the consensus was, it was "ok". |
| 18:44.13 | carols | yes, that's fine. |
| 18:44.26 | ravenlock | ok. great. thank you! |
| 18:44.33 | carols | yw |
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| 18:48.32 | DrJoel | quiet in here for the organization deadline to be approaching.. surely somewhere, someone is furiously typing.. waiting to hit submit |
| 18:49.13 | nihathrael | DrJoel: that's because everyone is busy typing their application |
| 18:49.20 | carols | there's a lot of submit buttons being pressed, if the number of applications we've gotten in the last 24 hours is any indication |
| 18:49.36 | DrJoel | :) |
| 18:49.56 | DrJoel | I just popped in to hear the crash as the bell tolled |
| 18:51.33 | DrJoel | carols.. thanks to our GCI experience, we were comfortable when asked about a local high school one week intern program. We had useful things for them to do. And they actually had code working on the first day. :) |
| 18:51.47 | carols | that's great to hear :-) |
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| 18:52.08 | scorche|sh | yeah - usually it is much busier by now - though i suppose i should just knock on wood...the big rush is coming... ;) |
| 18:53.04 | DrJoel | I need to blog it. He was only a sophomore!! |
| 18:54.16 | |Kev| | scorche|sh: It gets busy in 6 minutes, when the extension requests start, doesn't it? :) |
| 18:54.41 | gevaerts | The seven extension requests :) |
| 18:54.59 | DrJoel | |Kev| lol.. and on the hour as "wrong timezones" pop in. :) |
| 18:55.06 | scorche|sh | yup |
| 18:55.11 | |Kev| | Point. |
| 18:55.26 | |Kev| | No-one popped in 55 minutes ago asking for an extension, did they? |
| 18:55.29 | |Kev| | That would have been amusing. |
| 18:55.56 | ChrisOelmueller | was "app engine threw error pages when i wanted to submit" picked yet, because i'd take that one :-) |
| 18:56.19 | scorche|sh | |Kev|: naw - been silent |
| 18:56.57 | equinox | the website should play a "woosh" sound as the deadline passes by |
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| 18:58.14 | ockham | yay, my backup org registered! Gourmet is in! |
| 18:58.25 | scorche|sh | just in the nick of time! |
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| 18:58.46 | DrJoel | nick of time always scares me.. just my personality |
| 18:59.10 | censorydep | the real question is whether carols will head to lunch now and leave all the poor extension-requesting people hanging… ;-) |
| 18:59.20 | carols | she's sorely tempted to. |
| 18:59.37 | meflin | sadly they will just fill the email list up with the questions :) |
| 18:59.44 | scorche|sh | censorydep: well, there are enough of us in here who can copy/paste the same line a few times ;) |
| 18:59.48 | |Kev| | meflin: That will happen regardless. |
| 18:59.58 | censorydep | I was just thinking about all the comedy potential you left on the table by not making the deadline Monday... |
| 19:00.01 | equinox | *woosh* |
| 19:00.12 | censorydep | lol, true scorche|sh. ; |
| 19:00.23 | censorydep | ;-) |
| 19:00.24 | |Kev| | censorydep: The deadline /is/ Monday. That's the joke. |
| 19:01.11 | censorydep | heads to #melange to see about changing the text on the "Submit" button to "Delete Application for monday |
| 19:02.51 | ravenlock | waaaaiiiittt!!!! |
| 19:02.54 | edsiper | :) |
| 19:02.59 | ravenlock | or.. sorry wrong window |
| 19:03.03 | ravenlock | ;) |
| 19:03.13 | equinox | what is this about monday? i can't edit mine anymore fwiw... |
| 19:03.28 | scorche|sh | equinox: a joke |
| 19:04.01 | equinox | hm ok, i thought for a minute there i got trolled by google ;) |
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| 19:04.40 | equinox | though to be a real troll it'd have to be the other way around: everything says "deadline is until monday" then suddenly it closes friday... |
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| 19:05.42 | censorydep | oh man, that's even more evil than my button text idea... |
| 19:06.06 | scorche|sh | well, fi you want to talk about "real trolling" (though completely unintended), there have been times in the past with hiccups in the project acceptance emails where everyone was denied... |
| 19:06.34 | anth_r | -IRC/ |
| 19:06.40 | anth_r | (sorry) |
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| 19:12.25 | scorche|sh | its quiet...TOO quiet... |
| 19:12.52 | meflin | the laters are probably surrounding us, stay sharp |
| 19:14.20 | |Kev| | This is disconcerting. |
| 19:14.28 | ravenlock | ?? |
| 19:14.29 | |Kev| | Did we really have a year where ever org managed to submit on time without issue? |
| 19:14.48 | meflin | perhaps they will complain late? |
| 19:14.50 | scorche|sh | impossible |
| 19:15.02 | scorche|sh | but this year, it is very strangely silent |
| 19:15.11 | scorche|sh | carols: go to lunch ;) |
| 19:15.14 | carols | haha |
| 19:15.15 | equinox | no one updated the channel topic yet btw |
| 19:15.16 | carols | you're funny |
| 19:15.21 | carols | now the work begins for me :-) |
| 19:15.30 | carols | this is the most intense week of the year for me |
| 19:16.17 | *** topic/#gsoc by scorche|sh -> Google Summer of Code 2013 mentor org applications closed - Review period has started - See http://www.google-melange.com for more information |
| 19:16.45 | scorche|sh | carols: i dont envy you guys... |
| 19:16.50 | carols | yeah, it's tough. |
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| 19:17.02 | carols | and add on top of it all the disappointing news I have to deliver when it's over. |
| 19:17.53 | ravenlock | carols, do you begin reviewing over weekend? or monday? |
| 19:18.02 | carols | right now. |
| 19:18.05 | carols | i'm already working on it. |
| 19:18.15 | ravenlock | hehe. nice |
| 19:18.22 | ravenlock | busy weekend I assume |
| 19:19.58 | carols | yep |
| 19:20.02 | heller | how many project applications did you get? |
| 19:20.11 | carols | we'll publish a blog post |
| 19:20.37 | Droggl | hands carols a coffee |
| 19:20.46 | carols | thanks very much Droggl :-) |
| 19:21.21 | Droggl | yw, you might remember that when reading our application ;) |
| 19:21.29 | ravenlock | do you review all of them yourself? or have a team of folks assisting ? |
| 19:21.29 | |Kev| | Haha, bribery and corruption :) |
| 19:21.31 | carols | we as a team review each on individually. |
| 19:21.32 | ravenlock | Droggl, does that work?? |
| 19:21.33 | equinox | hands carols a time machine, with special recommendations from the -beep- project ;) |
| 19:21.42 | carols | thanks equinox :-) i can use it. |
| 19:21.46 | ravenlock | runs to brew a pot of coffee |
| 19:21.49 | Droggl | ravenlock: I shall sincerly doubt it |
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| 19:22.09 | carols | okay, time for me to go review apps. |
| 19:22.26 | carols | please tell anyone coming into the channel hoping for an extension "no" and not to email me. :-P |
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| 19:22.33 | scorche|sh | salutes |
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| 19:22.47 | |Kev| | Good luck with the reviews, try to have a weekend... |
| 19:22.50 | |Kev| | (Too late) |
| 19:22.59 | ChrisOelmueller | in more than one sense |
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| 19:25.31 | weltall | who wants an extension :DDDDD |
| 19:26.17 | scorche|sh | weltall: shush ;) |
| 19:26.30 | equinox | i want a HDD extension, 50TB would be nice |
| 19:26.32 | weltall | ;D |
| 19:26.38 | weltall | ok i'm up for that too! |
| 19:37.18 | derdon | what kind of extensions are you all talking about? |
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| 19:39.19 | carldani | derdon: hair extensions |
| 19:40.12 | derdon | o_O |
| 19:40.49 | censorydep | If you aren' freaking out that it's now 12:40… you probably don't need an extension derdon. ;-) |
| 19:41.10 | derdon | I'm a student. so not freaking out … yet |
| 19:41.54 | censorydep | :-) well then, you're getting a proactive lesson in how flexible the deadlines aren't. |
| 19:42.32 | gevaerts | Given the number of people complaining so far, I'm not sure :) |
| 19:43.46 | derdon | what does the word "deadline" mean again? and what was that with "no late applications are accepted for any reasons"? |
| 19:43.51 | carldani | a propos extensions... |
| 19:43.52 | derdon | is that not true anymore? |
| 19:44.00 | carldani | "First, cyberneticists added 10 GB/s of Internet access to our network. Further, we removed a 7TB USB key from our highly-available cluster to consider our Xbox network. Furthermore, we reduced the effective tape drive throughput of our stochastic overlay network. Similarly, we tripled the effective floppy disk space of our Internet-2 overlay network." |
| 19:44.41 | carldani | derdon: Now that would be an extension. Nonsensical, but hey, it's a paper written with scigen. |
| 19:45.09 | carldani | More floppies for Internet-2! |
| 19:45.12 | carldani | :-P |
| 19:45.31 | censorydep | derdon, I think you've struck at the heart of the matter and seem to understand why we are preemptively mocking those who might seek to ask for one... |
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| 19:49.15 | ravenlock | censorydep, preemptively mocking is uncalled for. I mean some people have legitimate reasons…. like… having their butts velcro'd to an xbox game chair. I mean, you ever try to get out of one of those? |
| 19:50.58 | censorydep | It's true… right up there with "was still sleeping off the St. Patricks' Day hangover". |
| 19:51.16 | ravenlock | yes. another valid excuse I'd think |
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| 19:52.03 | censorydep | methinks we've just encountered one of those slippery slopes I keep hearing about |
| 19:52.14 | ravenlock | ;) |
| 19:52.36 | gevaerts | Which are actually valid excuses |
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| 19:52.47 | gevaerts | "I slipped on a slippery slope and broke my leg" |
| 19:52.50 | derdon | hm, I'm probably too German to understand why the gsoc team starts with "no reasons whatsoever" and later on accepts a looser deadline for some |
| 19:53.06 | anth_r | they don't. |
| 19:53.06 | gevaerts | derdon: well, they don't :) |
| 19:53.13 | derdon | why not say in the beginning "we have something called 'deadline', but don't take it too serious"? |
| 19:53.34 | anth_r | the deadline is the deadline. you won't get an extension. the google folks are pretty clear on this. |
| 19:53.36 | derdon | well, then I still don't know what an extension is |
| 19:53.48 | ravenlock | o_O |
| 19:53.49 | derdon | anth_r: so why do people beg for this? |
| 19:54.02 | gevaerts | Because they're late! |
| 19:54.02 | olly | i guess the cost of asking is low |
| 19:54.09 | censorydep | it is something that people ask for, and get told "no". The beg because they are hopeful that they will get a different answer. |
| 19:54.18 | derdon | seems ridicolous to me to ask for something you won't get anyway |
| 19:54.28 | censorydep | thus the mockery! :-p |
| 19:54.38 | derdon | ok, I get it then :) |
| 19:54.57 | gevaerts | derdon: #gsoc regulars know there won't be exceptions, but many people are not #gsoc regulars |
| 19:54.59 | olly | the deadline was relaxed a few years ago too, but there was a good reason - one place in the FAQ gave a different later deadline |
| 19:55.26 | derdon | gevaerts: you just have to go to the google-melange homepage and read a bit. minimum requirement IMHO |
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| 19:56.03 | |Kev| | derdon: There are many many things that you learn over time of being involved with GSoC. And they're all sensible or common sense or easy to find. |
| 19:56.10 | |Kev| | But it's easy to miss one of them. |
| 19:56.19 | gevaerts | derdon: oh, sure, but being told there won't be exceptions and that deadlines are strict is not the same as having seen it being true for years |
| 19:56.49 | derdon | gevaerts: for years? I started researching about gsoc maybe 2 or three weeks ago |
| 19:57.02 | |Kev| | Rather like writing bug-free code only involves not making silly mistakes. Minimum requirement? :) |
| 19:57.14 | derdon | I think there are some people who are just too lazy to read the FAQ and other articles |
| 19:57.14 | gevaerts | derdon: some of us have been around for years, yes :) |
| 19:57.18 | gevaerts | No |
| 19:57.26 | gevaerts | It's a culture thing in part |
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| 19:57.50 | gevaerts | There are many places in the world where traditionally deadlines have been more like guidelines |
| 19:57.59 | Asis | true that |
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| 19:59.26 | scorche|sh | lh: it is quite shocking - no one has been in here yet whining and asking for deadline extensions! ;) |
| 19:59.40 | gevaerts | They will, in twenty seconds |
| 19:59.54 | gevaerts | That's when the first timezone misreaders will pop up |
| 20:01.30 | Asis | haha |
| 20:04.43 | Arthur_D | timeline? Deadzone? Woah, I completely forgot! |
| 20:04.47 | Arthur_D | just kidding ;) |
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| 20:20.14 | downey | feels he may have been overly cynical with his guess of 5 emails |
| 20:21.09 | anth_r | i feel like it's been going down year-over-year. |
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| 20:49.13 | weltall | they sent ninjas to people even thinking about it :D |
| 20:49.56 | gevaerts | It's all a conspiracy to make me lose the bet |
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| 20:51.03 | weltall | that can be taken for granted :P |
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| 20:52.40 | gevaerts | :) |
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| 21:10.15 | olly | gevaerts: perhaps you can get an extension on your bet? |
| 21:10.32 | gevaerts | Good idea! |
| 21:11.02 | meflin | carols said no :) |
| 21:11.11 | gevaerts | Please! |
| 21:11.25 | keturn | having trouble finding the "register as a mentor" link. Did that close with the application deadline for mentor organizations? |
| 21:11.36 | meflin | not open yet |
| 21:11.41 | olly | keturn: mentors don't register until after orgs are announced |
| 21:11.49 | DrJoel | at this point there is no one to mentor for :) |
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| 21:18.14 | dariocravero | hi everybody |
| 21:18.49 | dariocravero | I know that the 19:00 UTC is three hours behind already |
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| 21:19.43 | dariocravero | but we would like to present Padrino (the Ruby Web Framework) as a mentoring organisation because we believe it would be good for students to join us and help the ruby community move forward |
| 21:19.55 | dariocravero | would it still be possible to do so? |
| 21:20.04 | meflin | ding ding ding .. we have a winner! |
| 21:20.11 | meflin | no the deadline is past try next year |
| 21:20.45 | gevaerts | dariocravero: I can't speak for Google, but during the time I've followed gsoc (which is since 2008), there haven't been any such exceptions |
| 21:21.05 | |Kev| | And Carol asked us to tell anyone coming asking for an exception that there won't be any this year. |
| 21:21.13 | |Kev| | So that's second-hand speaking for Google. |
| 21:21.15 | meflin | and do not email |
| 21:21.24 | dariocravero | fair enough |
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| 21:21.31 | |Kev| | 19:22 <@carols> okay, time for me to go review apps. |
| 21:21.32 | |Kev| | 19:22 <@carols> please tell anyone coming into the channel hoping for an extension "no" and not to email me. :-P |
| 21:21.46 | dariocravero | |Kev|: got it :) |
| 21:21.55 | paultag | that was quick! |
| 21:22.05 | dariocravero | thanks for your time anyway, we will be more careful and try to present in time and shape next year |
| 21:22.37 | paultag | dariocravero: yah, don't wait so long |
| 21:22.47 | dariocravero | paultag: we didn't even have it in our minds |
| 21:23.08 | dariocravero | paultag: it wasn't the case where we thought "yeah, sure, we'll wait until the next minute" |
| 21:23.35 | dariocravero | paultag: we've been with too many things lately and this popped up in our heads (ironically) today! |
| 21:23.43 | paultag | oh noes |
| 21:23.59 | paultag | well hopefully things settle down enough next year so that y'all have some time to mentor some kids! : |
| 21:24.02 | paultag | :) * |
| 21:24.07 | dariocravero | yup :) |
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| 21:34.17 | weltall | gevaerts, admit it was you |
| 21:34.18 | weltall | :P |
| 21:34.48 | gevaerts | is innocent! |
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| 22:40.17 | lh | scorche|sh, shocking! |
| 22:43.06 | scorche|sh | and i dont think i see anything on the ML either |
| 22:43.17 | scorche|sh | first year that there were no calls for extensions? |
| 22:43.39 | meflin | very scarry |
| 22:43.48 | ChrisOelmueller | the chanlogs have one actually |
| 22:43.51 | ChrisOelmueller | aren't we relieved |
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| 22:47.33 | scorche|sh | oh - i missed dariocravero |
| 22:48.23 | scorche|sh | at least they were reasonable about it |
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| 23:43.51 | atmt | hey guys |
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| 23:44.38 | atmt | if I register as a mentor, can I later cancel and apply as student, during the student application, if I desire? tks |
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