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| 02:48.07 | ForestJ | hey guys - I'm a student interested in doing gsoc in 2013.. has anyone done it before and if so, what did you work on? |
| 02:53.36 | blast007 | ForestJ: you could look at previous years for that information. For instance: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 |
| 02:54.00 | ForestJ | thanks |
| 02:54.09 | blast007 | in there you could check out an org and see what the students worked on, including their submitted code sample |
| 02:55.04 | ForestJ | oooo blender foundation :3 |
| 02:55.42 | meflin | the best org is the one you have an interest in |
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| 06:38.14 | ablegreen | how competitive is it to be accepted as a student? |
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| 06:39.04 | dfighter | ablegreen very |
| 06:39.23 | kblin | really depends on what metrics you look at |
| 06:39.42 | dfighter | hai kblin :) |
| 06:39.59 | kblin | if you look at overall applications vs overall acceptions, sure, it's competitive |
| 06:40.19 | kblin | if you look at good applicaions vs acceptance, less so |
| 06:40.34 | ablegreen | what kind of information can be given in the application? school, resume, essay, letter of recs, etc.? |
| 06:40.48 | kblin | !studentguide | ablegreen |
| 06:40.49 | gsocbot | ablegreen: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 06:41.02 | ablegreen | thank you |
| 06:41.05 | kblin | that should have a section on the applications |
| 06:42.10 | kblin | that said, I would consider the gsoc application more like a contracting bid than a job applications |
| 06:42.14 | kblin | -s |
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| 06:43.44 | kblin | I wouldn't bother to read a resume, I'm unlikely to know the school most students are from, and unless your letter of recommendation is from your previous gsoc mentor, I probably don't care about that either :) |
| 06:44.13 | ablegreen | hm so it looks like you just need to have a good proposal/idea |
| 06:44.37 | kblin | the skill set required to be a successful gsoc student is very different from what you need to be a successful university student |
| 06:44.48 | ablegreen | oh that's good to hear |
| 06:45.19 | Ivanovic | ablegreen: you need to convince the mentors that you are a good choice |
| 06:45.36 | kblin | sure, there's some overlap in the venn diagram. but that overlap doesn't overlap with what I can find in a resume :) |
| 06:45.39 | Ivanovic | doing so is usually best done by communicating, showing that you fit into the other devs, ... |
| 06:46.26 | ablegreen | got it |
| 06:47.26 | kblin | ablegreen: what Ivanovic said. A good proposal is nice, but getting into contact with your mentoring org and proving that you're a good communicator is vital in my opinion |
| 06:47.45 | ablegreen | so i'm a bit confused about how to apply. the student needs to think of something they want to code, then mentors review their idea and can accept/reject it? |
| 06:48.05 | kblin | yeah, but the mentoring orgs will have proposals up |
| 06:48.27 | ablegreen | ah okay |
| 06:48.39 | ablegreen | when will the list of accepted mentoring organizations come out |
| 06:48.48 | Ivanovic | ablegreen: the usual process is that the mentoring org has some proposals, you look at the proposals and then *talk* to the guys in the org about what you want to do |
| 06:49.00 | ablegreen | got it |
| 06:49.01 | kblin | also, if you get in contact with the org you're interested in pre-gsoc, they'll usually help you figure out what they're looking for |
| 06:49.12 | Ivanovic | meaning: if you want to take an idea and give it your touch or do something different |
| 06:49.52 | ablegreen | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.54 | ablegreen | i see* |
| 06:50.06 | kblin | in 2007 I came up with an idea not on the list because while hanging out in the project's dev channel, I figured they really needed someone to work on another topic |
| 06:50.21 | ablegreen | so if i see a proposal i like, do i cold contact the organization, or does gsoc provide that means? |
| 06:50.24 | ablegreen | oh okay |
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| 06:51.04 | kblin | but in the years before, I just looked through the proposals and then contacted the org |
| 06:51.45 | ablegreen | awesome |
| 06:51.51 | ablegreen | thank you so much guys for the information |
| 06:52.38 | ablegreen | i'm kind of afraid of not having a good idea. i just want to code and have fun working with others |
| 06:52.56 | Catfish_Man | that's why the idea lists are handy |
| 06:54.19 | ablegreen | what are the top reasons for a student not getting accepted? |
| 06:55.14 | Catfish_Man | top as in most common? |
| 06:55.37 | Catfish_Man | probably "proposal is spam/content free/makes no sense", sadly |
| 06:56.34 | ablegreen | hm okay |
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| 08:40.13 | Lennie | ThomasWaldmann, we'll take a look at the veteran/new thingy |
| 08:41.13 | kai | Lennie: ECHANN? or just a really laggy conversation? :) |
| 08:41.37 | kai | ah, laggy conversation |
| 08:41.53 | Lennie | yeah laggy |
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| 08:42.14 | kai | scrolled up far enough just now :) |
| 08:42.30 | Lennie | I was lucky I got highlighted |
| 08:42.41 | Lennie | no one reported this officially yesterday, which is somewhat interesting |
| 08:42.44 | kai | that's what the channel regulars are for :) |
| 08:42.48 | Lennie | but most apps always arrive at the deadline anyway :) |
| 08:43.01 | kai | !bugs |
| 08:43.02 | gsocbot | kai: "bugs" is http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
| 08:43.11 | kai | that still seems right :) |
| 08:43.13 | Lennie | Yeah I filed one |
| 08:43.32 | kai | we probably need to load more info into the topic again |
| 08:43.34 | Lennie | I'd expect it to be fixed soon, we're having a hackathon this week :) |
| 08:43.48 | Lennie | It would be nice for it to say that org apps have opened |
| 08:43.50 | kai | so carols indicated |
| 08:43.56 | Lennie | !next |
| 08:43.57 | gsocbot | Lennie: "next" is March 18: Mentoring organizations can begin submitting applications to Google |
| 08:43.57 | kai | hang on |
| 08:44.21 | kai | prods irssi |
| 08:44.34 | kai | why isn't tab completion for the topic working anymore? |
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| 08:44.45 | Lennie | kai, that's related to your client... |
| 08:44.54 | kai | hence my prodding irssi |
| 08:45.38 | *** topic/#gsoc by kai -> Google Summer of Code 2013 mentor org applications open - See http://www.google-melange.com for more information |
| 08:45.54 | kai | ah |
| 08:46.12 | kai | it's /topic <tab> <-- note the double space |
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| 08:50.56 | Lennie | :) |
| 08:51.04 | Lennie | that's interesting |
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| 08:57.25 | kai | morning carols :) |
| 08:57.31 | carols | hi kai :-) |
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| 08:58.09 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 08:59.33 | kai | !learn next as March 29, 1900 UTC: Mentor organization application closes |
| 08:59.34 | gsocbot | kai: "next" is (#1) March 18: Mentoring organizations can begin submitting applications to Google, or (#2) March 29, 1900 UTC: Mentor organization application closes |
| 08:59.41 | kai | !forget next 1 |
| 08:59.41 | gsocbot | kai: "next" is March 29, 1900 UTC: Mentor organization application closes |
| 09:00.16 | carols | thanks kai |
| 09:00.44 | kai | carols: I blame Lennie. ;) |
| 09:00.50 | carols | good plan. |
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| 09:01.29 | kai | also I'm waiting for code to compile :) |
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| 09:01.55 | carols | you're not slacking off, though |
| 09:02.09 | kai | of course not. http://xkcd.com/303/ always applies |
| 09:02.16 | carols | indeed. |
| 09:02.19 | carols | is that in the bot? |
| 09:02.22 | carols | :-) |
| 09:03.05 | kai | !learn compiling as I'm not slacking off, my code is compiling (http://xkcd.com/303/) |
| 09:03.05 | gsocbot | kai: "compiling" is I'm not slacking off, my code is compiling (http://xkcd.com/303/) |
| 09:03.09 | kai | it is now :) |
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| 09:09.55 | carols | awesome! |
| 09:09.57 | carols | thanks kai :-) |
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| 09:12.56 | kai | carols: glad to help. :) |
| 09:13.29 | kai | which reminds me.. I need to test drive the queueing code to check if any updates are needed for the rejected orgs feedback session |
| 09:13.42 | kai | opens a bug on github |
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| 09:14.30 | Lennie | kai++ |
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| 09:23.11 | kai | !learn gsocbot bugs as https://github.com/kblin/supybot-gsoc/issues |
| 09:23.12 | gsocbot | kai: "gsocbot bugs" is https://github.com/kblin/supybot-gsoc/issues |
| 09:23.43 | kai | hm, or maybe I just need to close all the bugs I opened last year :D |
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| 09:50.20 | carols | kai: don't close the chocolate counter bug :-) |
| 09:50.29 | carols | i still think we need that. |
| 09:51.19 | kai | carols: well, by "close" I meant "fix", and the chocolate counter bug is filed in melange, not gsocbot |
| 09:51.29 | carols | ah, i see what you're saying. |
| 09:51.31 | carols | good. |
| 09:51.35 | carols | glad that's cleared up. |
| 09:51.55 | kai | though of course if I get a web api to query the current chocolate counter, I'm happy to make that accessible via gsocbot ;) |
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| 09:52.20 | carols | that would be good for the student deduplication meeting :-) |
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| 09:53.10 | kai | though of course "while True: counter += 1" is a good approximation for that meeting ;) |
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| 09:53.45 | kai | fortunately I hear you have a bunch of melange developers around to implement the real counter |
| 09:53.47 | carols | ain't that the truth. |
| 09:54.01 | carols | well, i'm having them actually work on things that need fixing. |
| 09:54.16 | carols | which, much as i'd like this feature, isn't really impeding forward progress of the program. |
| 09:55.05 | kai | I'm sure once it's in and there's a web api, for the next GCI we can have a student build an android app showing the counter as well |
| 09:55.23 | carols | that's an excellent idea. |
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| 09:56.33 | kai | but I sort of see your point on the "fixing things that need fixing" part |
| 09:57.09 | kai | but seeing how you use a DVCS, maybe one of them feels bored on the trip home? 0:) |
| 09:57.58 | carols | ha, that's wishful thinking :-) |
| 09:58.49 | kai | I'm sure for someone who's into the code base, getting the basic features to work is like 15 minutes, tops |
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| 09:59.02 | carols | also wishful thinking :-P |
| 09:59.52 | kai | heck, you could probably use this as a qualification task and have the gsoc students interested in melange code it for you |
| 10:00.14 | kai | you might even have a working prototype for the dedup meeting then |
| 10:01.36 | Lennie | kai, the amount of chocolate in this room is higher than 0 :) |
| 10:01.46 | carols | thanks mostly to sttaylor :-) |
| 10:01.51 | Lennie | kai, sttaylor's fault :P |
| 10:02.50 | sttaylor | wait until I bring more chocolate later in the week… this is only the beginning... ;) |
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| 10:04.16 | Lennie | Good news, we found the veteran/new bug :P |
| 10:05.46 | carols | did everyone read dirk's post about the power of chocolate? :-) |
| 10:05.47 | kai | Lennie: have a chocolate ;) |
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| 10:10.34 | carols | trundles off for some more coffee |
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| 10:18.02 | kai | !when |
| 10:18.12 | kai | hmm, I think it's dead, jim |
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| 10:20.08 | carols | kai: the gsoc bot? |
| 10:20.11 | carols | dea? |
| 10:20.13 | carols | dead? |
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| 10:20.15 | carols | :-( |
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| 10:20.40 | kai | !when |
| 10:20.40 | gsocbot | kai: "when" is later |
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| 10:21.01 | MatthewWilkes | !later |
| 10:21.01 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: "later" is when |
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| 10:21.10 | carols | but when will then be now? |
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| 10:21.20 | Phantomas | !recursiveness |
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| 10:21.42 | Phantomas | overflow? |
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| 10:23.02 | kai | gives gsocbot a cookie |
| 10:23.07 | kai | !cookie |
| 10:23.07 | gsocbot | kai: "cookie" is omnomnom |
| 10:23.53 | carols | aw, kai, you're so kind to the hard-working gsocbot. |
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| 10:24.26 | MatthewWilkes | !this cookie | kai |
| 10:24.26 | gsocbot | kai: "this cookie" is for you |
| 10:24.42 | kai | now, apart from crashing gsocbot, I still didn't progress on my search for granting all ops on #gsoc the permission to call !nextinline |
| 10:24.48 | kai | yay, cookie |
| 10:24.55 | kai | !nextinline |
| 10:26.28 | carols | hey MatthewWilkes :-) |
| 10:29.38 | MatthewWilkes | carols! |
| 10:29.46 | carols | MatthewWilkes! |
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| 10:29.55 | MatthewWilkes | carols: You're up early/late, are you off on travels somewhere? |
| 10:30.04 | MatthewWilkes | hm… melange all hands maybe? |
| 10:30.05 | carols | i'm currently in amsterdam |
| 10:30.09 | carols | want to come visit us? |
| 10:31.00 | MatthewWilkes | Want to and can are probably different things, I have (minor!) hospital appointments tomorrow and thursday |
| 10:31.43 | carols | ouch, i'm sorry to hear that. |
| 10:32.08 | carols | well, come for friday! have a weekend in the netherlands! :-) |
| 10:32.41 | carols | in all seriousness, i hope the hospital appointments go well. |
| 10:32.44 | carols | uneventfully, even. |
| 10:33.26 | MatthewWilkes | It will, they're just being diligent. Gotta love the NHS. |
| 10:34.09 | MatthewWilkes | I am tempted by coming and hanging out, maybe doing a little hacking. Perhaps I shall compare the numbers on my online banking with the ones on expedia. |
| 10:34.25 | kai | :) |
| 10:34.36 | carols | that would be great! |
| 10:34.45 | carols | you could see the google amsterdam office too :-) |
| 10:35.01 | carols | it's actually not that big, so i guess it's not that spectacular. |
| 10:35.29 | carols | i think we're having indonesian food somewhere in amsterdam on friday night |
| 10:35.44 | carols | i'm just going wherever my calendar tells me to at this point. |
| 10:35.49 | carols | and trying to get work done in the middle. |
| 10:37.58 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Well, I'm going to Malaysia in a month and a half, I'll get to have the real thing ;) |
| 10:38.07 | carols | indeed :-) |
| 10:38.19 | carols | that sounds very nice :-) |
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| 10:41.45 | MatthewWilkes | Hmmm, 500GBP by plane from Bristol, 235 GBP by train then plane from London, 43 GBP for a 20 hour coach ride… |
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| 13:20.19 | LaurieJ | Just working on my org's application form in melange… and every time I hit submit, it seems to reset and save as "veteran" in the drop down choice, even though I've selected "new". Any tips on how I could fix this ? |
| 13:21.23 | derdon | LaurieJ: the exact same issue was reported by several others yesterday as well |
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| 13:21.39 | derdon | LaurieJ: so to me it just seems that it wasn't fixed yet. |
| 13:21.48 | LaurieJ | ok, super, I won't worry too much then :) |
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| 14:01.37 | olasd | I'm wondering (without having tested): is it possible to name several backup admins for an org? |
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| 14:05.44 | carols | olasd: it's only possible to list one on the application. |
| 14:05.49 | carols | but if you are accepted, you can add more. |
| 14:06.46 | olasd | carols: I see |
| 14:07.03 | carols | :-) |
| 14:07.10 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 14:21.37 | josevalim | Hello, I have a small question: on the organisation application page, it asks if there are any Googler or organisation that would vouch for us. What exactly vouching entails? |
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| 14:22.03 | josevalim | Are they vouching for the organisation as a whole? The open source projects in it? The organisation administrator? |
| 14:22.12 | josevalim | All 3 option above? :) |
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| 14:31.51 | white | thanks carols for tea |
| 14:31.58 | carols | you're welcome white |
| 14:32.10 | carols | josevalim: they are vouching for the organization. |
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| 14:41.17 | josevalim | carols: thank you! |
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| 14:46.30 | carols | yw |
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| 14:54.29 | josevalim | carols: one last question related to "vouching". I was asked what that requires from the googler side. :) |
| 14:55.17 | carols | i need the go ogler's email and name at a minimum. |
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| 14:55.59 | carols | if you want to make my life easier you can have the googled email me ahead of our decision week and let me know that they vouch for you. since i have to email everyone that's listed to verify them at that point. |
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| 15:00.10 | josevalim | carols: excellent, I will ask them to do that :) |
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| 16:24.53 | AutomatedTester | hi, is there a link where I can submit a organisation to GSoC? |
| 16:25.09 | AutomatedTester | I cant seem to find anything about submitting on on the site |
| 16:25.38 | AutomatedTester | found it... |
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| 16:27.59 | glphvgacs | if i graduate this May would i still be able to participate? |
| 16:28.35 | Darrel | glphvgacs, graduate from? College/university or high school? |
| 16:28.43 | glphvgacs | Darrel: university |
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| 16:29.16 | Darrel | Yeah, you will be, if I'm not mistaken |
| 16:29.27 | white | depends if you are a student on 27 may |
| 16:30.36 | glphvgacs | white: my last exam is on 29th of april, there are some administration stuff that would take a while to be done, oh plus it takes some time for grades to come out |
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| 16:31.11 | glphvgacs | white: also i have to make an application for graduation, otherwise, i would technically still be a student |
| 16:31.18 | white | glphvgacs, according to the eligibility reqs , iirc you have to be officially a student on 27 may |
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| 16:31.37 | lfaraone | glphvgacs: if you graduate prior to that date, you're not eligible. |
| 16:32.07 | glphvgacs | white: iirc? |
| 16:32.17 | lfaraone | if I recall correctly. |
| 16:32.24 | white | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.33 | Darrel | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#4._How_does_a_student_apply |
| 16:32.43 | Darrel | Yeah, you need to be a student as of May 27th |
| 16:35.17 | glphvgacs | #8 there is what i was looking for, thanks |
| 16:36.07 | glphvgacs | got it, just one more thing, i'm an Iranian student, studying in Canada. can i participate? |
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| 16:36.59 | white | if you have work permit in the country of residence |
| 16:37.20 | white | its all there in the eligibility requirements |
| 16:38.05 | MatthewWilkes | glphvgacs: No, you can't |
| 16:38.13 | glphvgacs | MatthewWilkes: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#4._Who_is_not_eligible_to_participate_as |
| 16:38.22 | MatthewWilkes | Exactly |
| 16:38.31 | glphvgacs | hmm, even if i have a work permit here in canada? |
| 16:38.40 | MatthewWilkes | No matter what |
| 16:38.54 | MatthewWilkes | You're a national of Iran, you're not eligible. |
| 16:39.58 | glphvgacs | what if i'm a resident of Canada? |
| 16:40.31 | lfaraone | glphvgacs: No, really. |
| 16:40.40 | glphvgacs | wait, that doesn't work, i have to graduate first... |
| 16:41.25 | lfaraone | glphvgacs: The issue is not whether you are authorised to work in Canada. The issue is rather you are a citizen of Iran, which does not agree with 1.3(c). |
| 16:41.26 | glphvgacs | lfaraone: so pretty much never, right? since i can graduate, become a resident, go back to school and then participate |
| 16:41.30 | MatthewWilkes | glphvgacs: As long as you have iranian citizenship you're not eligible. |
| 16:41.47 | MatthewWilkes | glphvgacs: Resident isn't enough, you'd have to become a *citizen* of canada |
| 16:41.55 | lfaraone | glphvgacs: If you are no longer a citizen of Iran, and are a student, you can participate in GSoC as a student. |
| 16:42.24 | glphvgacs | wow |
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| 16:42.51 | lfaraone | glphvgacs: I mean, this is US law. |
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| 16:49.42 | glphvgacs | MatthewWilkes: with dual nationality, one Iranian and one Canadian, would i be eligible? |
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| 16:51.53 | MatthewWilkes | glphvgacs: I don't believe so. |
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| 16:52.01 | MatthewWilkes | glphvgacs: It doesn't say "except dual citizenship" |
| 16:52.21 | MatthewWilkes | But that's just my personal reading of the document |
| 16:52.49 | glphvgacs | MatthewWilkes: so short of giving up my Iranian citizenship, i can't apply, period. |
| 16:53.06 | lfaraone | glphvgacs: you'll have difficulty doing anything with the United States while holding Iranian citizenship. |
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| 16:55.48 | MatthewWilkes | glphvgacs: For this year, yes. I can't speculate on potential future iterations of GSoC |
| 16:56.11 | glphvgacs | lfaraone: i'm reminded of that every day. |
| 16:56.19 | lfaraone | glphvgacs: while I can't give you Google's reasoning, I suspect it is at least partially related to export control. |
| 16:56.39 | lfaraone | (can't give it because I don't have it) |
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| 17:09.52 | glphvgacs | this is insane and to be honest very hurtful since it's discrimination based on ones nationality and that is called ... anyways, this is not the place to discuss it. |
| 17:10.41 | chro | glphvgacs, what is discrimination? |
| 17:11.59 | glphvgacs | chro: the fact that i will be excluded because i'm Iranian |
| 17:12.20 | meflin | not google's fault |
| 17:12.46 | glphvgacs | meflin: yes that |
| 17:13.03 | chro | glphvgacs, where do you read that Ireanians can't participate? |
| 17:13.39 | glphvgacs | meflin: but google has taken stands in the past that has made me have high regards for them |
| 17:14.17 | meflin | that is a stand they cannot take |
| 17:14.21 | summatusmentis | it's US law, Google deson't get to decide |
| 17:14.24 | glphvgacs | meflin: whether 4 years ago during green movement in Iran or their stands with regard to china |
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| 17:15.23 | chro | glphvgacs, where is it written that Iranians can't participate? |
| 17:15.31 | meflin | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#2._Whos_eligible_to_participate_as_a |
| 17:15.35 | glphvgacs | chro: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#4._Who_is_not_eligible_to_participate_as |
| 17:15.57 | chro | thanks |
| 17:16.09 | meflin | residents and/or nationals of Iran, Syria, Cuba, Sudan, North Korea and Myanmar (Burma), with whom we are prohibited by U.S. law from engaging in commerce, are ineligible to participate |
| 17:17.33 | chro | ". Please also note that any residents of Argentina, Belarus, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Kazakhstan, Mexico, Peru, Russia, and the Ukraine that participate in the program will not receive a t-shirt or any promotional items for their participation." <- why? |
| 17:18.09 | meflin | import restrictions in those country's prohibit sending the shirt as I understand it |
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| 17:18.18 | gevaerts | Yes |
| 17:18.27 | gevaerts | It's in the logs somewhere :) |
| 17:19.22 | chro | glphvgacs, you can try to provide a fake id and lie about your nationality |
| 17:19.26 | meflin | one way to solve that is to convert you student into a mentor, get him/her to mentor sumit and load them up with replacement swag :D |
| 17:19.38 | meflin | that takes a few years tho :) |
| 17:20.17 | summatusmentis | I wouldn't go about recommending illegal behavior here |
| 17:20.20 | glphvgacs | chro: yep, then get sent back to where i've been running away. |
| 17:20.44 | glphvgacs | feels like being between a rock and a hard place |
| 17:20.58 | meflin | you are .. but its nothing google or us can fix |
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| 17:21.27 | gevaerts | meflin: I'm pretty sure such pick-up solutions can be worked out with a shorter timeframe :) |
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| 17:53.47 | JordiGH | I'm starting to think that whoever came up with GSoC was a genius. |
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| 17:53.51 | JordiGH | Was it DiBonna? |
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| 17:55.21 | scorche|sh | JordiGH: http://archive09.linux.com/articles/48232 |
| 17:56.02 | scorche|sh | http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/10/17/1459241/the-growth-of-google-summer-of-code |
| 17:56.04 | JordiGH | Right, I had read that before and forgot about it. |
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| 18:14.01 | lfaraone | the student's left, but to be clear: its not that Iranians can't participate, but people with Iranian citizenship aren't eligible due to law. |
| 18:15.19 | MatthewWilkes | lfaraone: And the difference is? |
| 18:15.35 | lfaraone | MatthewWilkes: its not based on nationality but on citizenship. |
| 18:16.11 | lfaraone | Like, you could most probably renounce Iranian citizenship and then be eligible. |
| 18:16.25 | MatthewWilkes | lfaraone: Indeed, that was part of the discussion. |
| 18:16.55 | lfaraone | MatthewWilkes: well, the student asserted that it was "discrimination based on one's nationality", which it wasn't. |
| 18:17.00 | lfaraone | But perhaps I'm just being pedantic. |
| 18:17.13 | meflin | you are |
| 18:17.39 | MatthewWilkes | Overly so |
| 18:17.45 | MatthewWilkes | I think you're confusing nationality and citizenship |
| 18:17.54 | MatthewWilkes | as the difference between the two is very limited indeed |
| 18:18.16 | MatthewWilkes | For example, I'm a British Citizen and I have British nationality. Some people only have the latter, nobody only has the former. |
| 18:18.27 | MatthewWilkes | For most countries they're identical |
| 18:18.41 | MatthewWilkes | Actually, perhaps you're thinking of ethnicity? |
| 18:19.02 | lfaraone | Ah. When I heard "discrimination based on one's nationality" I read that as "national origin", which is quite different. |
| 18:19.32 | lfaraone | (generally in the US when people refer to the former they mean the latter, as the latter is a protected class while the former isn't per se) |
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| 19:03.28 | anth_x | is there any way to tell which (if any) of the fields on the application will be turned into URLs, vs. which are safe to stick free-form text into? |
| 19:03.56 | anth_x | that is, when it asks for a mailing list, can i give the email address plus a link to the archives/subscription page? |
| 19:04.51 | olly | anth_x: based on past years, very little on the application gets automatically turned into anything public - you have to reenter most of it |
| 19:06.25 | olly | anth_x: but if you look at org pages for last year, you should see how such fields would be used |
| 19:08.05 | anth_x | i remember in 2011 something (irc?) was turned into a URL in unexpected ways, and several folks had put free-form text in there (which obviously didn't work). |
| 19:08.09 | anth_x | i'll poke around. thanks. |
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| 20:55.23 | afahim | hey gsoc'ers! |
| 20:56.51 | WorldGenesis | :D |
| 20:58.08 | afahim | i hate how the student proposal deadline is so far away :( |
| 20:58.51 | meflin | deadlines are always far way ..untill they are due then its ... me me me just 1 more day! |
| 20:59.08 | afahim | haha true |
| 20:59.43 | afahim | anyone expecting javascript related projects this year? |
| 21:00.15 | meflin | hmm not I .. but there are many org's |
| 21:00.52 | AutomatedTester | afahim: javascript project in which way? |
| 21:01.14 | afahim | AutomatedTester: |
| 21:01.32 | afahim | AutomatedTester: any opensource project that requires knowledge of javascript |
| 21:01.59 | AutomatedTester | afahim: I submitted the Selenium project as an org |
| 21:02.15 | AutomatedTester | and we will require javascript for at least 1 project |
| 21:02.48 | afahim | AutomatedTester: oh cool! i'll check it out |
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| 21:42.25 | Nasif | hello |
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| 22:50.47 | hiker | Hi, can anyone help me with a licensing question? Our code is currently GPL v3, but we might need to release it under a dual license in the future (in order to be able to port and sell our code on Apple's app store) - so GPL V3 + something-else-that's-apple-compatible. Is this a problem with GSoC? Can we just ask students to agree to a dual license? |
| 22:52.47 | Catfish_Man | hiker: there are certainly FOSS licenses that are compatible with that situation |
| 22:52.50 | Catfish_Man | MIT/BSD for example |
| 22:53.04 | Catfish_Man | but you'd have to decide if you were ok with the implications of those licenses |
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| 22:54.02 | hiker | OK, thanks. We haven't had time to actually look at what license we need to be able to go on the Apps Store (not to mention the fact that we have a huge list of people to ask to agree to this) |
| 22:54.30 | meflin | OSS doesn't care about app stores |
| 22:55.05 | Catfish_Man | hiker: relicensing at all is very tricky, so good luck with that |
| 22:55.28 | hiker | I don't like the idea of dual licensing just because apple doesn't support this, but if we should be able to port to ios it would give us some income, which would be quite welcome |
| 22:55.36 | hiker | Thanks - I know it's going to be a nightmare :( |
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| 23:30.58 | kblin | hiker: and are you sure that potential income is worth the hassle? |
| 23:31.41 | hiker | Not sure ;) |
| 23:31.54 | hiker | But we have many many requests of publish supertuxkart on IOS |
| 23:31.57 | hiker | So there certainly is demand |
| 23:32.19 | hiker | I don't expect to become rich with that :) |
| 23:32.37 | hiker | But at least get the money for the ipad back would be great |
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| 23:32.50 | hiker | Since I have to buy the ipad just for that |
| 23:33.16 | derdon | hiker: oh, there will be an iOS port of supertuxkart? neat |
| 23:33.17 | hiker | But even if we offered it for free, we still can't put the code in apps store the way things are now |
| 23:33.24 | hiker | Noooo, that's not what I said :) |
| 23:33.33 | hiker | Don't start any rumours ;) ;) |
| 23:33.36 | kblin | there's no non-itunes way to distribute software to iOS devices? |
| 23:33.37 | hiker | We are looking at it |
| 23:33.43 | derdon | I read what I want! |
| 23:33.59 | hiker | Sure, but it requires you to jailbreak (afaik) your device |
| 23:34.18 | kblin | sighs |
| 23:35.08 | kblin | the hardware is cool, but the vulcan death-pinch they have on a device that I'd supposedly own makes me sick |
| 23:35.12 | hiker | ATM we have the problem that we have some many files originally created by tuxkart - and while we have replaced everything by now, we still need approval from those people to be able to put it on the apps store |
| 23:35.13 | meflin | besides being off topic ... many persons have little interest in $ |
| 23:35.44 | hiker | agreed, off topic - if you want to discuss this, please come to #stk |
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| 23:36.17 | derdon | can't wait for the iOS port |
| 23:36.26 | kblin | it's not that this is disturbing other conversations at the moment.. :) |
| 23:36.52 | Catfish_Man | kblin: the tricky thing with offtopicness is that it can discourage an unexpected new on-topic conversation from starting :/ |
| 23:36.55 | meflin | some windows flash just for talk |
| 23:37.08 | kblin | true |
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| 23:37.33 | meflin | I had 2 hours of sleep so I'm extra cranky and could easyly be ... wrong |
| 23:38.02 | meflin | I've had my share of off/semi-on talk here |
| 23:39.54 | kblin | anyway, to wrap up the GSoC part of the question.. for gsoc, as long as you're sticking with an OSI-apporoved license you should be fine |
| 23:40.11 | kblin | and whatever you do, please don't make up your own license |
| 23:40.26 | hiker | Thanks! |
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