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| 13:32.09 | himanshu | Hi, i am new to gsoc , i would like to know how one should proceed for gsoc ? |
| 13:34.00 | blast007 | himanshu: At this point, GSoC 2013 has not been announced. But I'd recommend getting involved in some open-source projects that interest you. |
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| 13:35.52 | himanshu | blast007: please suggest how to get involved with an open-source project ? |
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| 13:36.44 | himanshu | blast007: i mean should i start mailing to their mailing lists ? |
| 13:37.56 | gentryx | yes. |
| 13:38.24 | gentryx | ask the developers. you got to do that before applying for GSOC anyway. |
| 13:49.21 | blast007 | many projects also have an IRC channel you can hang out in |
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| 16:59.05 | carols | serves some coffee and tea |
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| 17:00.05 | gevaerts | drinks a cup of coffee |
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| 17:02.55 | carols | hey gevaerts :-) |
| 17:03.08 | gevaerts | How are things? |
| 17:03.15 | carols | good thanks. how are you? |
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| 17:03.23 | gevaerts | is fine! |
| 17:04.12 | gevaerts | Still busy not saying anything about gsoc 2013? :) |
| 17:04.35 | carols | gevaerts: yep! still busy with all the rest of my job :-) |
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| 18:01.27 | carols | has some tea |
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| 18:49.03 | sashi | Will GSoC be conducted this year? |
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| 18:50.54 | flaushy | sashi: we all do not know, yet. It will be announced by google, until then we wait :) |
| 18:52.40 | sashi | falushy: thanks:) Hope it will get announced soon! |
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| 18:56.35 | xhochy | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2013 \o/ |
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| 18:56.54 | carols | :-D |
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| 18:57.19 | Kousik | when carols has some tea, you know something is coming. |
| 18:57.26 | carols | ain't that the truth. |
| 18:57.35 | carols | i turn tea into programs. |
| 18:57.48 | Kousik | haha |
| 18:58.45 | flaushy | awesome timing :) |
| 19:03.19 | *** topic/#gsoc by carols -> Google Summer of Code 2013 has been announced! Please see http://www.google-melange.com for more information. |
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| 19:04.54 | fxrh | \o/ |
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| 19:10.08 | sumanah | OK! Congrats and \o/ re GSoC 2013. |
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| 19:10.40 | allman | :) Indeed! |
| 19:11.18 | sashi | :) |
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| 19:19.56 | ace_striker | :) |
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| 19:21.13 | akarshan | Why so late ??? |
| 19:21.23 | akarshan | GSOC 2013.. |
| 19:21.42 | Catfish_Man | late relative to...? |
| 19:22.03 | carols | akarshan: because we've gotten a lot of feedback that people want gsoc on a different timeline. |
| 19:22.04 | system64 | I think its just a week late :) |
| 19:22.09 | akarshan | I mean in my college summer vacation are from may-july |
| 19:22.21 | akarshan | its going till october |
| 19:22.46 | carols | akarshan: i'm sorry that the timeline might not work for your schedule. :-( unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a timeline that makes everyone happy :-( |
| 19:22.57 | akarshan | yeah well |
| 19:23.48 | darnir | True. Think of the poor guys in the Southern hemisphere. It's nowhere close to Summer for them |
| 19:24.28 | edsiper | you can study during the day and hack overnight. |
| 19:24.48 | sumanah | That's a bad idea. |
| 19:24.52 | sumanah | For GSoC, anyway. |
| 19:24.55 | sumanah | For regular life, yes. |
| 19:25.35 | darnir | Why bad? Thats pretty much the regular life for anyone here |
| 19:25.38 | edsiper | sumanah, but.. do you think 100% of GSoC accepted students are not studying when GSoC takes place ? |
| 19:26.00 | edsiper | if its for fun you will do it at any time.. |
| 19:26.51 | sumanah | edsiper: I have been a mentor and an org admin. I can tell you, from my experience, that when students try to take on GSoC + any other obligations, they end up unhappy and they end up making their mentors unhappy. |
| 19:27.51 | akarshan | mentoring organisations of previous year .. will it benefit to subscribe them/ start discussing ideas ??? |
| 19:28.10 | sumanah | Yes. |
| 19:28.11 | olly | it's particularly a problem when the student tries to conceal other commitments |
| 19:28.15 | carols | akarshan: always |
| 19:28.19 | sumanah | But use proper English, akarshan. :) |
| 19:28.20 | edsiper | sumanah, i think that depends on the student... i am not saying thats a good deal.. but the truth is that many students are a little busy when running the program... |
| 19:28.20 | darnir | Its not the students fault if we have our regular classes running during gsoc |
| 19:28.43 | olly | if everyone knows you have exams for a particular week, it's usually not a problem to plan around it |
| 19:28.52 | Catfish_Man | "fault" is an interesting concept. It turns out to be a lot less important than most people think |
| 19:28.59 | sumanah | edsiper: The busier they are, the worse it usually gets. I'm being prescriptive. |
| 19:30.12 | edsiper | i think its up to the organization experience.. our experience was a little different... thats why i say its mostly up to the student and project complexity |
| 19:31.12 | sumanah | I will hold firm and say that if I hear a student -- applying to *any* organization -- say that s/he is planning to study during the day and hack at night, I will predict failure. |
| 19:31.17 | sumanah | And most of the time I'll be right. |
| 19:31.27 | carols | serves some tea and cookies |
| 19:31.28 | sumanah | And I'll suggest that the organization go with a different student. |
| 19:31.41 | carols | so glad everyone's come out to the channel for the launch :-D |
| 19:31.57 | sumanah | I thank carols allman sttaylor and the rest of the OSPO team for putting this together for another year. |
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| 19:32.06 | carols | cheers |
| 19:32.29 | allman | Our Pleasure :) |
| 19:32.52 | sumanah | carols: I look forward to seeing how this year's schedule works out! Better for some & worse for others of course, but I hope on balance it's refreshing & good. :-) |
| 19:33.02 | carols | sumanah: yes indeed :-) |
| 19:33.46 | darnir | sumanah: I don't think that a blanket decision like that is a good idea. Some of us are actually capable of managing this lifestyle. |
| 19:33.55 | sumanah | darnir: Then I'll miss out, and that's okay. |
| 19:34.10 | sumanah | darnir: Engineering is about tradeoffs. |
| 19:34.20 | sumanah | I am being risk-averse. |
| 19:34.43 | gevaerts | sees that sumanah doesn't want to accept tradeoffs ;) |
| 19:34.45 | gevaerts | hides |
| 19:34.49 | sumanah | Anyway -- what projects are y'all working on? |
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| 19:35.25 | darnir | I'm hoping my mentors don't feel like you do sumanah. Else I'm in for a very bad time. |
| 19:35.54 | sumanah | Go ahead and talk to them! Different people will indeed take different approaches. |
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| 19:36.15 | darnir | My major is Mechanical Engg. but I can beat any CSE student in my university. I study my major during the day and handle my hacking by night. |
| 19:36.21 | sfb | hi carols |
| 19:36.29 | carols | hey sfb |
| 19:36.38 | sfb | I have the same question I have every year. (= |
| 19:36.46 | sumanah | darnir: what FLOSS projects are you contributing to? |
| 19:37.01 | sfb | Should RyzomCore continue to umbrella under WF? Do you have a preference? |
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| 19:37.31 | darnir | sumanah: Haven't had the opportunity to contribute to any FLOSS project yet. My hacking is usually restricted to a lot of programming work thrown to me by my profs. |
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| 19:37.45 | sumanah | gevaerts: ha! I don't *want* to of course :-) But I do. |
| 19:38.12 | darnir | Thats is why I really wish to get through GSoC this year. |
| 19:38.18 | carols | sfb: i have no preference. we haven't even opened mentoring organization applications yet... |
| 19:38.32 | sumanah | I hope you have a chance to poke at some open source projects soon, darnir! Maybe you'll even swing by my project, MediaWiki. And maybe you will prove to be exceptional :-) |
| 19:38.43 | ace_striker | atlast Gsoc channel is live.. |
| 19:38.47 | saurabhsood91 | Yay!!! :) |
| 19:39.08 | ace_striker | :) |
| 19:39.25 | darnir | sumanah: I have gone through the MediaWiki project. And also discussed about the possibility of applying for it with a few of my friends. |
| 19:39.37 | sumanah | We've been participating for several years. |
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| 19:40.07 | sumanah | ace_striker: saurabhsood91 - what open source projects do you contribute to? |
| 19:40.08 | darnir | This will be my first attempt at GSoC though. Was introduced by YuviPanda |
| 19:40.15 | sumanah | Oh Yuvi is a pal of mine. |
| 19:40.22 | saurabhsood91 | sumanah: openSUSE. what about you? |
| 19:40.34 | sumanah | saurabhsood91: I'm an org admin for MediaWiki. |
| 19:40.48 | saurabhsood91 | sumanah: awesome... :) |
| 19:40.54 | darnir | Met him during a Wiki Hackathon he organized in my institute |
| 19:40.59 | saurabhsood91 | i was a participant in 2012 |
| 19:41.18 | sumanah | saurabhsood91: Yeah! I know some people who work on OpenSUSE, or used to -- Vincent Untz? |
| 19:41.32 | sumanah | Yuvi is smart and hospitable. I admire him. |
| 19:41.52 | saurabhsood91 | sumanah: yeah. was an admin last time, and one of the most awesome persons ;) |
| 19:42.23 | darnir | Yeah a very nice person. Met him only for a short while though. |
| 19:42.30 | sumanah | saurabhsood91: I got to work with him a few years ago; we did a marketing hackfest/sprint together for a week. Very calming person. |
| 19:43.10 | saurabhsood91 | sumanah: cool. I met him at the GNOME asia summit in 2011, and the more recent openSUSE Conference. Seriously the calmest guy I have met |
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| 19:45.00 | saurabhsood91 | darnir: trying for GNOME? |
| 19:45.36 | sumanah | As someone who's been a mentor and an org admin in GSoC, I recommend that anyone who's interested in applying to be a GSoC participant for the first time this year start *now* -- start looking at organizations that have participated in past years, learn to use their bug trackers and wikis and source control, and lurk in their IRC channels and mailing lists |
| 19:46.11 | saurabhsood91 | sumanah: +1 |
| 19:46.19 | sumanah | you don't have to start fixing bugs right away, but if you start learning where all the information sources are and how to get around and who does what, then you're better placed to solve easy bugs and write reasonably scoped proposals in a month or two |
| 19:46.21 | darnir | saurabhsood91: Thinking about GNOME. You? |
| 19:46.28 | sumanah | GNOME is lovely. I used to work on GNOME |
| 19:46.39 | saurabhsood91 | darnir: may not get the time to participate this time. I might try and admin ;) |
| 19:47.33 | darnir | saurabhsood91: Thats nice. I have an empty semester in front of me. So I'm really hoping to get through GSoC. Plus its my first and last attempt. |
| 19:48.11 | saurabhsood91 | darnir: awesome...I am graduating this year, and will not get time to work full time. start early ;) |
| 19:49.19 | darnir | I have started digging into the code for my top priority organization, GNU |
| 19:49.20 | system64 | I'll be applying for GSoC first time this year. |
| 19:49.46 | darnir | Really hoping to get the wget project. |
| 19:49.58 | system64 | Is this the right time to talk about GSoC in IRC and mailing lists? |
| 19:50.15 | darnir | saurabhsood91: As a past student, can you give me any tips? |
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| 19:50.31 | saurabhsood91 | darnir: sure... :) |
| 19:51.15 | saurabhsood91 | best tip: communicate well and keep mentors in the loop. needless to say WORK YOUR PANTS OFF!!! ;) |
| 19:51.47 | darnir | Oh I plan to |
| 19:51.57 | sumanah | system64: sure |
| 19:52.40 | saurabhsood91 | lastly, stick with the community and contribute after the programme. that is the whole idea of gsoc ;) |
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| 19:53.41 | darnir | That is the whole reason I want to participate. |
| 19:54.21 | saurabhsood91 | darnir: awesome ;) |
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| 20:10.58 | Darrel | Heh, GSoC announced. Cool :) |
| 20:11.23 | pc_magas | Hello can a student suggest an idea to a mentoring organization for a whole new project? |
| 20:12.02 | carols | pc_magas: sure, the orbs typically have room to consider "blue sky" proposals that aren't on their ideas pages. |
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| 20:12.03 | sumanah | Yes! |
| 20:12.08 | carols | *orgs |
| 20:12.15 | sumanah | pc_magas: You should probably also read https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page |
| 20:12.16 | carols | had too much tea, it appears |
| 20:13.27 | pc_magas | I know that I tried to mominate to a project at ;last year but I was not Accepted ☹ |
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| 20:14.13 | sumanah | pc_magas: Did you get any feedback from that organization telling you why you were not accepted? |
| 20:15.06 | saurabhsood91 | pc_magas: discuss the idea with the org before applying or proposing the idea :) |
| 20:17.18 | shad_ | Hello to everyone! When will we be able to see what organizations participate this year? |
| 20:18.10 | carols | shad_: have you checked out the timeline? |
| 20:18.44 | flaushy | shad_: 8th April |
| 20:19.10 | flaushy | at least then the accepted orgs will be announced by google |
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| 20:20.32 | pc_magas | sumanah, because a) Has only 2 seats by google and b) My application form perhaps had many gaps and it was not too convincing |
| 20:20.42 | pc_magas | But I did not got any feedback |
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| 20:22.18 | marina | pc_magas: if you are proposing a new idea you a) need to be an existing known contributor b) need to be have talked to people in the org and gotten positive feedback from them about the org wanting your idea to be developed |
| 20:22.46 | gevaerts | That depends on the organisation |
| 20:22.59 | shad_ | Ah, I meant if it will be an ongoing process or we will be able to see a list of orgs only after 8th April? |
| 20:23.10 | marina | pc_magas: so if you'd like to propose idea like that this year, you should start contributing to the org now, if you haven't yet |
| 20:23.14 | gevaerts | Proposing a new idea is risky if you don't know the organisation well, but you can do it |
| 20:23.30 | pc_magas | Actually I want to make the Univercity that I am going to graduate to participate as mentoringh organization but it has not got any open source projects |
| 20:24.06 | pc_magas | Actually it has no projects on her own |
| 20:24.12 | pc_magas | its* |
| 20:24.38 | pc_magas | Tha's why if you can propose a whole new project |
| 20:25.11 | marina | gevaerts: proposing an idea that doesn't have a proponent in the org is always a bad idea and many orgs would entrust the development of something completely new only to a known contributor |
| 20:25.27 | sumanah | shad_: As far as I know, you will only be able to see a list of participating organizations after 8th April. |
| 20:25.39 | marina | gevaerts: so it's more like a gamble than a measured risk |
| 20:25.44 | sumanah | You can of course ask any given project whether they think they will be participating. |
| 20:26.22 | shad_ | sumanah, thanks a lot. |
| 20:26.24 | pc_magas | marina, escept if I propose it to an org that has no projects like the Univercity that I am studying |
| 20:26.28 | pc_magas | axcept* |
| 20:26.29 | sumanah | pc_magas: If you share the text of your old application in a pastebin or a blog post or something, then I would be happy to give you a little feedback. |
| 20:26.59 | marina | pc_magas: well, your university first needs to apply and be accepted as an org |
| 20:27.26 | gevaerts | marina: I agree that it's probably not that good an idea most of the time, and it's a lot harder to get accepted, but it can work. In general I'd advise to also make a proposal for an existing idea though :) |
| 20:27.34 | pc_magas | Actually I am not sure if I will participate this year because I have to make some work in order to graduate |
| 20:27.43 | pc_magas | I am ta last year of Tei of Lamia |
| 20:28.22 | pc_magas | And I do not knwo how I can combine theese 2 |
| 20:28.53 | pc_magas | I also have to work as part time as practice in order to graduate. |
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| 20:29.02 | pc_magas | Too |
| 20:29.47 | WorldGenesis_ | :o |
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| 20:30.47 | pc_magas | to work for pactice as part time job* |
| 20:31.00 | marina | gevaerts: I think it's good for students to pursue an idea seriously, i.e. really research what they are proposing and take the time to become part of the community; and it's only realistic for an organization to expect the student to make good progress on something completely new if the student is a known contributor, so I'd rather not recommend students do something that would even be ill-advised for an organization to accept |
| 20:32.14 | gevaerts | marina: there's a difference between "completely new, unknown, and risky", and "oh, why didn't we put that on the ideas list?" |
| 20:32.59 | marina | gevaerts: sure, in that case the student would get a proponent of an idea |
| 20:34.19 | marina | gevaerts: this is a good example, so it's good for students to check in with the org, but they also need to find a mentor to work with them on developing an idea during the application process |
| 20:34.29 | gevaerts | Oh, of course |
| 20:35.24 | gevaerts | Dumping a proposal on melange and then hoping to get selected without actually trying to talk to people won't work well |
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| 20:36.19 | gevaerts | But then, finding a mentor may or may not be the student's job. I know in rockbox we tended to match students to mentors from the org side |
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| 20:39.43 | marina | gevaerts: yes, the admins need to help with it, but the student has to make it part of their application effort too; in GNOME we started requiring students to work with a perspective mentor and make a contribution to the module they are proposing to work on during the application period |
| 20:39.56 | marina | needs to take off here; ttyl |
| 20:40.05 | marina | \o/ GSoC!!! |
| 20:40.05 | gevaerts | Gnome is big. Things are different there :) |
| 20:40.13 | marina | :) |
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| 21:02.58 | frizzle_fry | Hello |
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| 21:04.11 | carols | hello frizzle_fry |
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| 21:07.28 | frizzle_fry | I just saw the post for GSoC on G+ |
| 21:07.50 | carols | awesome, isn't it :-) |
| 21:08.05 | frizzle_fry | yeap, I missed it the previous years |
| 21:08.29 | carols | well, sometimes life gets in the way of us doing everything we'd like... |
| 21:08.52 | frizzle_fry | when I knew about it was too late to apply |
| 21:09.03 | carols | so it goes. |
| 21:09.11 | frizzle_fry | so I start following GSoC on G+ to be ready this time :) |
| 21:09.17 | carols | cool :-) |
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| 21:09.41 | frizzle_fry | I was reading the FAQ and I found something rather curious |
| 21:09.54 | carols | yes? |
| 21:09.57 | downey | boils water for tea |
| 21:10.06 | carols | thanks downey :-) |
| 21:10.26 | gevaerts | hopes downey means "just about but not completely boils" :) |
| 21:10.38 | downey | s/boils/heats/ |
| 21:10.45 | frizzle_fry | Residents of Argentina [snip] that participate in the program will not receive a t-shirt or any promotional items for their participation |
| 21:10.51 | carols | frizzle_fry: indeed |
| 21:11.00 | carols | shame we had to do that this year, really. |
| 21:11.14 | Darrel | wow, interesting line :) |
| 21:11.19 | carols | really disappointing that customs in those countries has been so difficult. |
| 21:11.25 | frizzle_fry | I'm from Argentina, and it's a shame, I wanted that t-shirt :) |
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| 21:11.47 | carols | frizzle_fry: yeah, maybe speak to your government about not allowing foreign textiles into the country? |
| 21:11.56 | Darrel | I want the t-shirt from GSoC 2011, I think.. or maybe 2010.. The one with the neon blue logo. It's sooo cool :) |
| 21:11.56 | sumanah | seconds carols |
| 21:11.57 | frizzle_fry | yes, there's a problem with customs in Argentina |
| 21:11.58 | carols | i don't know if it would help, but it's too difficult for us to manage as it stands. |
| 21:12.32 | carols | frizzle_fry: if you were accepted and completed the program you'd still get the money and your certification of completion, of course. |
| 21:12.34 | frizzle_fry | hey carols don't get mad at me |
| 21:12.36 | scorche|sh | likes his 2006 shirt best |
| 21:12.45 | Darrel | Lol! Seriously? They don't allow foreign textiles into the country? Gosh.. |
| 21:12.46 | carols | mad? i'm certainly not mad.. |
| 21:12.58 | carols | Darrel: many countries don't, unfortunately. |
| 21:13.07 | carols | they want them all made in-country. |
| 21:13.18 | carols | and that's prohibitively expensive for our little program, unfortunately. |
| 21:13.33 | Darrel | Little? :) |
| 21:13.35 | summatusmentis | frizzle_fry: I think she was just trying to explain |
| 21:13.39 | carols | Darrel: indeed :-) |
| 21:14.05 | Darrel | GSoC is pretty big, at least for me.. hundreds, maybe thousands of students.. and as much mentors |
| 21:14.17 | carols | Darrel: it was 1,212 students last year. |
| 21:15.06 | Darrel | I believe GSoC's popularity will grow |
| 21:15.17 | frizzle_fry | well, one can always misinterpret written words, they have no tone |
| 21:15.21 | carols | Darrel: thank you for saying so :-) |
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| 21:15.29 | carols | frizzle_fry: indeed. i am not mad in the slightest.. |
| 21:15.44 | gevaerts | Crazy, maybe, but not mad! |
| 21:15.46 | gevaerts | hides |
| 21:16.02 | Darrel | scorche|sh, how does the 2006 tshirt look? |
| 21:16.23 | frizzle_fry | there's no point in talking with the government in Argentina, they don't listen |
| 21:16.34 | scorche|sh | Darrel: http://farm1.staticflickr.com/113/273142405_be50836cb0_z.jpg?zz=1 |
| 21:16.41 | scorche|sh | nice and simple/minimalistic |
| 21:16.55 | Darrel | Hehe, cool.. pardon, hot :) |
| 21:16.56 | Catfish_Man | scorche: I was just wearing mine yesterday :) |
| 21:17.10 | carols | frizzle_fry: that's a shame :-( |
| 21:17.31 | Darrel | But 2011 version remains my favourite :P |
| 21:17.37 | scorche|sh | unfortunately, i have no 2012 shirt to continue the trend =( (2005-2012) |
| 21:17.42 | Darrel | too bad I can't buy them from somewhere.. |
| 21:17.54 | scorche|sh | Darrel: if you could, it wouldnt mean as much! |
| 21:17.57 | frizzle_fry | anyway, I don't like to talk about politics :) |
| 21:18.18 | carols | frizzle_fry: fair enough. neither do i. |
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| 21:19.20 | simonl | oh, politics is fun! you get to call all the politicians stupid! ;) |
| 21:19.22 | Darrel | scorche|sh, yeah, and all the more reasons to be mad that I wasn't born a few years earlier :) |
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| 21:20.03 | frizzle_fry | simonl, programming is more fun! you can get to call your variables they way you want! ;) |
| 21:20.08 | Darrel | simonl, amen to that. |
| 21:20.19 | Darrel | Haha frizzle_fry good one :) |
| 21:20.22 | scorche|sh | Darrel: this was from the mentor/admin side - not the student side, so technically no age restriction ;) |
| 21:20.44 | Darrel | there is no age restriction for mentors? |
| 21:20.52 | carols | Darrel: there is this year. |
| 21:20.53 | scorche|sh | no |
| 21:20.56 | carols | there hasn't been in the past. |
| 21:20.58 | scorche|sh | carols: oh, really? |
| 21:20.59 | Darrel | dang! |
| 21:21.00 | Darrel | :D |
| 21:21.03 | carols | scorche|sh: indeed. |
| 21:21.10 | Darrel | Though the line in the rules is kinda vague.. |
| 21:21.21 | scorche|sh | carols: i suppose i should read up on the current rules so i dont misinform people about anything else =) |
| 21:21.26 | Darrel | It's kinda directed at the org leader mentor, or something |
| 21:21.28 | carols | scorche|sh: :-) |
| 21:21.58 | carols | scorche|sh: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#6._What_are_the_eligibility_requirements |
| 21:22.07 | simonl | frizzle_fry: well, you shouldn't call them "stupid", that's bad coding style :-) |
| 21:22.41 | carols | scorche|sh: since i've spent the last 6 months going over that doc, I probably know it better :-) |
| 21:22.54 | scorche|sh | carols: any other changes, or should i just read through the thing? |
| 21:23.04 | carols | scorche|sh: the timeline is different. |
| 21:23.16 | carols | we've published a user's documentation guide for melange. |
| 21:23.27 | scorche|sh | neat |
| 21:23.28 | carols | we won't ship any shirts or promotional items to a few countries. |
| 21:23.35 | carols | and the age restrictions for mentors. |
| 21:23.40 | carols | that's about it. |
| 21:23.57 | scorche|sh | carols: i assume the restriction was put in place for legal/financial reasons? |
| 21:24.08 | carols | scorche|sh: legal, yes. |
| 21:24.49 | Darrel | There were legal problems before, or no? |
| 21:25.13 | carols | Darrel: nope. |
| 21:25.23 | carols | better to avoid them in the first place, methinks. |
| 21:25.27 | Darrel | Cool :) |
| 21:25.28 | Darrel | yeah |
| 21:25.50 | andreibarsan | hmm, strange.. why can't you guys ship t-shirts to, say, russia? |
| 21:26.01 | andreibarsan | I'm just curious |
| 21:26.08 | carols | andreibarsan: same sort of customs restrictions. |
| 21:26.13 | frizzle_fry | afk |
| 21:26.14 | Darrel | Russia with the same stupid textile restriction? |
| 21:26.16 | Darrel | Oh lol |
| 21:26.24 | carols | these are all countries that don't like foreign imports. |
| 21:26.36 | carols | and hold up packages and then send them back to us undelivered. |
| 21:26.38 | andreibarsan | ah, I see. I understand how complicated things can get when shipping to so many places.. |
| 21:26.41 | andreibarsan | :( |
| 21:26.42 | carols | indeed. |
| 21:26.49 | Darrel | My country needs such customs. Against China. |
| 21:27.20 | carols | Darrel: maybe not the place for discussing politics :-) |
| 21:27.41 | Darrel | that was all :) |
| 21:28.21 | carols | serves some more tea and cookies |
| 21:28.31 | carols | seems everyone's eating up the snacks today :-) |
| 21:28.33 | carols | full house |
| 21:29.40 | Darrel | hehe |
| 21:30.34 | gevaerts | hopes shipping some of those cookies to him won't cause problems :) |
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| 21:31.15 | carols | gevaerts: we'll work around it somehow ;-) |
| 21:31.20 | gevaerts | A good thing they're virtual. Food is even trickier than t-shirts |
| 21:31.44 | Darrel | oh yes |
| 21:31.48 | Darrel | I've had problems with that :) |
| 21:32.03 | carols | gevaerts: yep! |
| 21:33.06 | Darrel | Hehe, the balloons with the symbols in the GSoC logo are looking pretty cool :) |
| 21:33.21 | carols | glad you like them, Darrel :-) |
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| 21:34.07 | JordiGH | Hey, same logo as last year? |
| 21:34.18 | carols | JordiGH: similar, but not quite. |
| 21:34.28 | Darrel | nope. This logo has symbols in the baloons :P |
| 21:34.30 | JordiGH | Oh, it's got coadz in the ballooons now. |
| 21:34.35 | JordiGH | What, no lisp parens? |
| 21:34.49 | JordiGH | Must be Perl balloons. |
| 21:34.53 | carols | JordiGH: unfortunately not. i know it's disappointing. |
| 21:35.44 | gevaerts | JordiGH: those are hidden in the bits of string that hold the balloons |
| 21:35.50 | allman | :) |
| 21:36.26 | JordiGH | I wonder if we'll able to go independent this year... |
| 21:36.39 | JordiGH | Two years under GNU, plus two more students under SOCIS... |
| 21:36.47 | JordiGH | LET MY GNU/PEOPLE GO |
| 21:36.54 | JordiGH | So to speak. |
| 21:37.23 | allman | but it's the GNU that holds people together … ;-) |
| 21:37.32 | JordiGH | Ho ho ho. |
| 21:37.45 | JordiGH | This is why "GNU" was chosen as a name: it's the funniest word in the English language. |
| 21:37.51 | gevaerts | No, that's the bits of string in the logo :) |
| 21:38.27 | allman | gevaerts: now you're just stringing me along…. |
| 21:38.39 | gevaerts | wouldn't dare! |
| 21:38.40 | downey | groans |
| 21:38.53 | allman | :) |
| 21:39.01 | scorche|sh | allman: you should just conCATenate gevaerts' strings ;) |
| 21:39.12 | allman | haha! |
| 21:40.16 | olly | carols: we were thinking of sending an org t-shirt to students - are the shipping issues to those countries the sort of thing we are likely to run into too? |
| 21:40.17 | simonl | fetches the GC to collect all those intermediate strings |
| 21:40.26 | carols | olly: possibly. |
| 21:40.29 | olly | or is it "google" on the package that causes the issue? |
| 21:40.43 | carols | olly: it's hard to say. each country is different. |
| 21:40.44 | olly | i realise it's hard for you to give a definite answer |
| 21:40.47 | ChrisOelmueller | carols: where can i file issues with the melange user guide, or who's a go-to there? |
| 21:40.54 | scorche|sh | olly: it is probably worth noting that *anything* can happen when customs is involved |
| 21:41.02 | carols | but i can tell you that in general it's getting more and more difficult to ship anything to those countries. |
| 21:41.14 | carols | ChrisOelmueller: like a typo or something? |
| 21:41.21 | ChrisOelmueller | a bit more, but yeah |
| 21:42.19 | carols | ChrisOelmueller: just send me an email. |
| 21:42.23 | carols | i'll fix it. |
| 21:42.27 | ChrisOelmueller | awesome, alright |
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| 21:50.12 | anth_r | awesome. has someone gotten carols cookies and tea yet? |
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| 21:53.58 | frizzle_fry | returns to his little desk |
| 21:54.01 | scorche|sh | she has been managing by herself today ;) |
| 21:56.36 | anth_r | no good. i'll put some tea on. |
| 21:56.53 | MatthewWilkes | Whooo, GSoC! |
| 21:57.28 | anth_r | right?!? |
| 21:57.37 | sumanah | :-) The MediaWiki community is revving up. |
| 21:58.31 | anth_r | i'm typing "it's on" mail to our community right now. |
| 21:58.47 | anth_r | (whoa; if my house dosn't blow over. what's going on out there?) |
| 22:01.38 | sumanah | We already started: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects |
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| 22:01.51 | sumanah | ok, meeting time. |
| 22:01.57 | sumanah | goes to her phone |
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| 23:16.48 | Tracerneo | Hello. |
| 23:17.34 | censorydep | Hi |
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| 23:22.00 | Tracerneo | Can I participate in GSoC if I'm in high school? In my country (Poland) I will finish it when I will be 19/20. |
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| 23:32.03 | simonl | Tracerneo: It's you own age at a certain cutoff date that matters, combined with the condition that you need to be enrolled in a University education at that date |
| 23:32.11 | simonl | it should be in the faq |
| 23:32.23 | simonl | !faq|Tracerno |
| 23:32.42 | simonl | aww, I forgot the syntax :/ |
| 23:32.57 | koda | !faq |
| 23:32.57 | gsocbot | koda: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
| 23:33.17 | simonl | isn't pipe supposed to work? it used to |
| 23:33.26 | simonl | !faq | Tracerneo |
| 23:33.26 | gsocbot | Tracerneo: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
| 23:33.31 | simonl | ah, there it is :) |
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| 23:36.17 | Tracerneo | simonl: thanks, I read the FAQ, but there was said you have to be student and be 18 years old on ~27 May. |
| 23:37.31 | Tracerneo | This part especially "Google defines a student as an individual enrolled in or accepted into an accredited institution including (but not necessarily limited to) colleges, universities, masters programs, PhD programs and undergraduate programs." |
| 23:37.55 | carols | Tracerneo: are you not quite 18 yet? |
| 23:39.02 | Tracerneo | carols: yes, but I'm asking to know if I can participate in GSoC 2014. :) |
| 23:39.24 | carols | Tracerneo: did you participate in GCI this past season? |
| 23:39.47 | Tracerneo | And part about student is the most confusing. |
| 23:40.00 | carols | Tracerneo: what's confusing? |
| 23:40.05 | carols | maybe i can help un-confuse it. |
| 23:40.11 | Tracerneo | carols: no, only GCI 2011. |
| 23:40.19 | carols | Tracerneo: well, that's still cool :-) |
| 23:40.52 | Tracerneo | I applayed for GCI 2012 but didn't found time and interesting projects to work on this year. |
| 23:41.03 | carols | Tracerneo: yeah, sometimes it goes that way. |
| 23:42.00 | Tracerneo | carols: so confusing thing is that if I'm in high school, I'm formally student. |
| 23:42.29 | carols | Tracerneo: right, that's true. but google's definition of "student" specifically for the purposes of gsoc tends to translate to "university student." |
| 23:42.55 | carols | unfortunately our world hasn't standardized on the term used for what that means in specific countries, so we try to give it a little more color in the FAQs. |
| 23:43.07 | Tracerneo | So I can't join? |
| 23:43.18 | carols | Tracerneo: well, you said you weren't 18, right? |
| 23:43.23 | carols | or not yet? |
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| 23:44.21 | Tracerneo | Yes, I will be in november, but I want to know if I can join GSoC 2014 (when I will be still high school student). |
| 23:44.47 | carols | Tracerneo: ah, well, i can't say, really. none of us can. we're really focused on gsoc 2013 and don't even know if gsoc 2014 will happen yet :-) |
| 23:45.08 | carols | not to mention the slight migraine I get thinking about running a program a year away right now after just launching this year's program. |
| 23:45.20 | carols | not your fault, though, of course. |
| 23:46.57 | Tracerneo | So asking in theory, being high school disciple excludes me form participating (not looking at age restriction)? |
| 23:47.50 | Tracerneo | Now asking about 2013. :) |
| 23:47.51 | carols | Tracerneo: well, does your country define high school the same way the US does? which is to say, high school = pre-university? |
| 23:48.51 | Tracerneo | I think yes... |
| 23:49.04 | carols | then unfortunately you're correct, that would exclude you. |
| 23:49.17 | carols | gsoc is specifically for university and equivalent students. |
| 23:49.52 | Tracerneo | Oh... Ok, thanks for clarification. :) |
| 23:49.58 | carols | yw |
| 23:50.11 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that in the UK students in the "6th form" are considered eligible, as they've finished the mandatory requirements and are doing something equivalent to college but offered by their old high school. Perhaps something similar might be relevant here? |
| 23:50.56 | carols | MatthewWilkes: yes, that is true. which is why it's a difficult subject. is that the case in your country, Tracerneo? |
| 23:51.48 | MatthewWilkes | The european view of how american high schools work is probably far from accurate, so it's hard for us to tell! |
| 23:51.58 | carols | indeed! |
| 23:53.36 | Tracerneo | carols: let me think... |
| 23:53.49 | carols | sure |
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| 23:58.10 | koda | carols: so, fun times ahead :) |
| 23:58.22 | carols | koda: always :-) |
| 23:58.44 | snizzo | gsoc again, yay! :D |
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| 23:59.15 | Tracerneo | carols: from what I can find on Wikipedia I'm in "Vocational Technical High School of Computer Science" (in Polish "Technikum Informatyczne"). |
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| 23:59.36 | MatthewWilkes | I just left a sprint, we spent most of yesterday sitting in the hot tub discussing improving how we do mentoring and GSoC. Good timing :) |
| 23:59.54 | carols | Tracerneo: it's certainly possible that it might count. |
