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| 12:30.23 | stranger1111111 | any info about gsoc2013 |
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| 12:48.36 | SSCV | hmm no news yet on gsoc 2013 |
| 12:49.10 | SSCV | when time comes, what if I want to apply for two organizations? |
| 12:49.25 | SSCV | but I don't want them to see that I applied for more |
| 12:49.31 | SSCV | is there a way to keep that information private |
| 12:52.20 | olasd | it's a bad idea to keep that information private |
| 12:53.11 | olasd | you should be open and honest with your prospective mentoring orgs about what you do to get into GSoC |
| 12:54.24 | SSCV | well one of the orgs will probably dump me right away if they find out I will try another org |
| 12:54.47 | olasd | too bad for them? |
| 12:55.05 | SSCV | I dunno I think gsoc should make that info private |
| 12:55.13 | SSCV | I mean, who wants to be a second choice |
| 12:56.40 | gevaerts | SSCV: in the past that information has not been divulged to organisations unless the student was actually selected by more than one |
| 12:57.21 | gevaerts | Still, many organisations ask if you applied anywhere else, and discovering you lied tends to be an instant disqualification |
| 12:57.43 | SSCV | gevaerts: well that is no good, the student should be first told if he is accepted in two orgs for example, let him choose and then tell the org that he picked about it |
| 12:58.12 | SSCV | gevaerts: it can be tricky yes, there are some cocky dudes with great projects and no they don't like to be second choice, either you are with them or not |
| 12:58.35 | SSCV | i think carol should make that change for gsoc 2013 |
| 12:58.49 | gevaerts | I think that's fairly unlikely to change |
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| 12:59.27 | gevaerts | If organisations want to miss out on great students because they were not the only choice, who suffers most? |
| 12:59.49 | SSCV | well the student suffers a lot |
| 13:00.05 | SSCV | what if the org that he did get accepted by finds out he wanted to go for other org and dumps him |
| 13:00.47 | SSCV | there are lots of students they can choose from, i doubt they will give second thoughts about dumping you |
| 13:01.03 | gevaerts | You're overestimating the number of good applications |
| 13:01.04 | olasd | that's a stupid thing to do. If you think the student is good, why dump him? Orgs are in GSoC to succeed long term |
| 13:01.30 | gevaerts | If they find out after the student said he didn't apply anywhere else, the student deserved this. If they drop a student because they don't like being a possible second choice, well, they have the right to be stupid... |
| 13:01.31 | olasd | and, yeah, there are not /that/ many good applications |
| 13:01.31 | SSCV | because you did not have them as first choice |
| 13:02.17 | SSCV | i dunno, you guys know there are many cocky people with great projects, so if you are not with him well bye bye |
| 13:02.31 | gevaerts | I don't know that |
| 13:02.33 | olasd | are there? |
| 13:02.41 | gevaerts | That's not my experience |
| 13:02.46 | olasd | neither mine |
| 13:02.53 | SSCV | i was in gsoc 2012 and it was great, but i consider trying two orgs now and i am scared as hell honestly |
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| 13:03.28 | SSCV | you risk if you apply just for one, and you risk if you apply for two, some may dump you because they were not the first choice |
| 13:03.34 | SSCV | its a catch-22 :D |
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| 13:03.54 | olasd | well, I would think it's a great thing to have a student interested in more than one thing... And there's no such thing as a "first" choice anyway |
| 13:04.08 | gevaerts | You're free to be paranoid of course, but that's *not* the risk I'd worry about when applying for more than one organisation |
| 13:04.35 | gevaerts | has *never* heard of this happening |
| 13:05.16 | SSCV | ok so you guys would advise me to forget about this and just apply for both? |
| 13:05.17 | gevaerts | What *does* happen is students applying to too many organisations and then not having enough time for each of them |
| 13:05.27 | gevaerts | Two should be fine though |
| 13:05.32 | SSCV | ok thank you |
| 13:06.35 | olasd | just do two kick-ass proposals and have the orgs fight each other to get you ;) |
| 13:07.52 | SSCV | well i was in one of them last year and pretty sure will get accepted again, just not sure if they will be mad at me for applying to other org too :D |
| 13:09.14 | gevaerts | Just remember, applying implies you're happy to do that project |
| 13:09.59 | gevaerts | While organisations may ask you for your preferences if you're selected in more than one, they don't *have* to, and there are several good reasons why they might choose not to |
| 13:10.35 | SSCV | so what if they accept me but i dont accept them, they lose a student, what then? |
| 13:10.45 | SSCV | are they allowed to make it up and accept another student |
| 13:10.50 | SSCV | i mean i dont want to do them harm |
| 13:10.54 | gevaerts | If you don't want a project, don't apply |
| 13:11.21 | SSCV | i want both, the problem is you cant rely to be picked by one so try the two |
| 13:12.52 | gevaerts | You can tell the one you prefer about you preferring them. That way, if there is a conflict, they'll probably take that into account |
| 13:14.14 | gevaerts | There are cases like project A not getting many good proposals at all and project B having two or three good proposals for your particular topic. In such cases, they're likely going to agree on project A getting you without asking you |
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| 13:18.01 | SSCV | without asking me? |
| 13:18.07 | SSCV | you mean the orgs will make an evil plan? |
| 13:18.23 | gevaerts | They can decide without asking you, yes |
| 13:18.49 | SSCV | that i do another project other than what i proposed? |
| 13:19.16 | gevaerts | No |
| 13:19.17 | SSCV | i mean i applied for... |
| 13:19.46 | gevaerts | You propose a number of projects, and you get selected for zero or one of them |
| 13:19.56 | SSCV | or you mean they can talk with each other and decide which one to take me? |
| 13:20.03 | gevaerts | Yes |
| 13:20.08 | SSCV | aaaah |
| 13:20.42 | SSCV | and if i am good they will end up fighting each other with teeth flying all over the place :D |
| 13:20.50 | gevaerts | That could happen |
| 13:21.34 | SSCV | can i watch them fight and smile in evil fashion from the side? |
| 13:21.59 | SSCV | just kidding, thanks a lot ;) i see how things work now |
| 13:22.14 | gevaerts | Well, that's how it worked in the past... |
| 13:22.19 | gevaerts | knows nothing about gsoc 2013 |
| 13:22.47 | SSCV | hopefully it will happen again |
| 13:23.02 | SSCV | google code-in seems it was very successful |
| 13:23.11 | SSCV | see no reason why they should stop gsoc now |
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| 16:32.53 | olenhad | Hey everyone, was curious on when would GSOC 2013 be announcedd |
| 16:33.10 | olenhad | Anyone has any ideas? |
| 16:34.49 | ChrisOelmueller | can't answer the "when" really, but if you follow the OSPO blog you can hardly miss announcements that happen there: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/ |
| 16:38.57 | olenhad | Hmm.. thanks. Though it will be held this year right? |
| 16:39.11 | gevaerts | Same answer :) |
| 16:39.20 | gevaerts | Only the Google people can answer that, and they |
| 16:39.28 | gevaerts | 'll tell the world on http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/ |
| 16:40.09 | olenhad | haha. Alrighty. Thanks :) |
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