| 00:01.40 | asmeurer__ | hey Arc the python logo (now on the rotation on the main page) shows up as a broken image |
| 00:01.52 | asmeurer__ | ditto for mono if any admins for that are here |
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| 00:10.23 | pokoko222 | is this period important or I can rest? |
| 00:10.31 | pokoko222 | should I code more to impress mentors? |
| 00:10.43 | pokoko222 | I see people still submit patches and stuff |
| 00:11.18 | mmadia | it'd be best to talk with that org. |
| 00:11.32 | mmadia | maybe there's something that they'd like you to clarify. |
| 00:11.58 | pokoko222 | nope |
| 00:12.07 | thgil | !next |
| 00:12.08 | gsocbot | thgil: "next" is (#1) Students: keep impressing your mentors until accepted proposals are announced 19:00 UTC April 23, or (#2) Organizations: by 19:00 UTC April 10, make sure your slot allocation request is accurate |
| 00:12.17 | mmadia | and submitting more patches is always appreciated. :) |
| 00:12.49 | pokoko222 | thgil: haha nice |
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| 00:12.54 | pokoko222 | so I should not stop coding then |
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| 00:13.13 | pokoko222 | I have school to catch up and was thinking about not coding at all until April 23 |
| 00:13.37 | pokoko222 | I mean I already submitted code and it was accepted |
| 00:13.54 | thgil | pokoko222: It can only help you if you code more |
| 00:13.54 | pokoko222 | you guys will keep coding in the period until 23? |
| 00:14.11 | thgil | but I dont think they will mind if you dont code |
| 00:14.40 | thgil | I have exams soon so I cant code |
| 00:14.49 | pokoko222 | thgil: exactly, me too |
| 00:14.53 | mmadia | isn't registered as a student. |
| 00:14.59 | pokoko222 | I already sacrificed some exams for GSOC |
| 00:15.07 | pokoko222 | but I want to catch up with the rest now |
| 00:15.29 | pokoko222 | my code was good before application deadline, the mentor loved it |
| 00:15.40 | pokoko222 | but what if a guy now comes in and codes something better |
| 00:15.47 | pokoko222 | there is still lots of time until 23 |
| 00:15.51 | pokoko222 | that is my fear |
| 00:16.12 | pokoko222 | and I am like, hmm, should I keep coding full speed or just stop here... |
| 00:16.16 | klocatelli | so watch out for that guy, and kick it in gear if he shows up ^_^ |
| 00:16.28 | klocatelli | otherwise chill out :D |
| 00:16.50 | v1z | well that's reality. people w past involvement in the community already invested their time. otherwise you have to catch up. keep coding if your application was weak, then its a chance to catch up :) |
| 00:17.17 | pokoko222 | no actually my code was the best for that idea even the mentor said it |
| 00:17.26 | thgil | Exams come first though! |
| 00:17.28 | v1z | excellent then.. do what you can |
| 00:17.36 | pokoko222 | but there is always that fear, "The Dude" may come :D |
| 00:17.47 | pokoko222 | and code something even better, lots of time left until 23 |
| 00:17.58 | spindizzy | will double his efforts to outcode pokoko222! |
| 00:18.00 | thgil | pokoko222: I think you are "That Dude" for most people |
| 00:18.04 | thgil | lol |
| 00:18.04 | v1z | the only way not to have that fear is to have past involvement... |
| 00:18.06 | pokoko222 | maybe I should keep coding and finish him until he stops breathing :D |
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| 00:18.11 | pokoko222 | v1z I do |
| 00:18.21 | v1z | so great, you should be all set |
| 00:18.26 | v1z | (probably) |
| 00:19.00 | v1z | don't sell out though ;) |
| 00:19.11 | pokoko222 | nope I am staying grounded :) |
| 00:20.01 | pokoko222 | thgil: hehe yeah well I am the Dude for others for now |
| 00:20.12 | pokoko222 | but a new sheriff in town may arrive :D |
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| 00:20.18 | pokoko222 | one with a bigger gun |
| 00:20.55 | v1z | lol |
| 00:21.13 | thgil | Size doesnt matter its how you use it.. |
| 00:21.40 | thgil | pokoko222: what org are you applying for anyway? |
| 00:21.44 | pokoko222 | oh man I dream the Dude coming for me :D |
| 00:21.59 | pokoko222 | thgil: it's a good one, all I will say for now |
| 00:22.18 | pokoko222 | there were dudes with masters and stuff but they sucked at coding :D |
| 00:22.25 | pokoko222 | i am undergrad but I code like hell |
| 00:22.48 | pokoko222 | so they were eliminated, but I was scared at start, like how the hell am I going to compete with these people |
| 00:23.04 | pokoko222 | and then a professor told me, just do it, masters don't mean s**t :D |
| 00:23.30 | v1z | some can code very well, but can't respond to requests from the org/mentors... so yeah, its how you use it |
| 00:23.37 | thgil | Well no one else can come can they since the student registration for GSOC is closed? |
| 00:24.13 | pokoko222 | thgil: yes but once that have applied can send better code |
| 00:24.22 | pokoko222 | v1z: true that is important too |
| 00:25.17 | v1z | lots of good coders have 0 community skills |
| 00:25.27 | v1z | a pity.. |
| 00:25.42 | pokoko222 | haha yeah well |
| 00:25.44 | pokoko222 | geeks :D |
| 00:26.33 | v1z | free software geeks and googly geeks arent like that |
| 00:27.26 | v1z | this aspect is actually what may count vs "the Dude" ;-) |
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| 00:27.41 | v1z | participation. |
| 00:30.33 | pokoko222 | please dont mention the dude anymore |
| 00:30.38 | pokoko222 | it is scary |
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| 00:33.36 | pokoko222 | oh my gooood he is cooomiing !!! :D |
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| 00:33.53 | pokoko222 | everyone run for your lives and better luck next year :D |
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| 00:36.35 | Lennie | pokoko222, v1z -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SARbwvhupQ |
| 00:36.49 | Lennie | Google I/O 2009 - The Myth of the Genius Programmer |
| 00:36.53 | Lennie | Semi-related :) |
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| 00:37.16 | pokoko222 | Lennie: I have seen it and I dont agree |
| 00:37.28 | pokoko222 | it suggests mediocrity :D |
| 00:37.29 | wtachi | I heard 200 of last year's students were actually The Dude |
| 00:37.32 | wtachi | he has many identities |
| 00:37.41 | ojwb | jeff bridges? |
| 00:37.49 | Lennie | anyway |
| 00:37.50 | Lennie | off to home |
| 00:37.52 | Lennie | ttyal |
| 00:39.08 | pokoko222 | I was actually surprised when I heard that there are around 6000 applications for gsoc |
| 00:39.15 | pokoko222 | I expected more like 50 000 + |
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| 00:42.29 | thgil | haha i would feel sorry for the mentors if there was 50000 people |
| 00:43.31 | ojwb | there would just have to be a more brutal first pass I think |
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| 00:44.40 | pokoko222 | 1000 students or so will be lucky |
| 00:44.46 | pokoko222 | that is like 1 out of 5 |
| 00:44.55 | pokoko222 | which is not that brutal |
| 00:45.13 | ojwb | I mean if there were 50000 |
| 00:45.33 | pokoko222 | yeah I am just saying right now like this it is not brutal at all |
| 00:45.37 | pokoko222 | 1 out of 5 is a good chance |
| 00:45.52 | ojwb | it's not really 1 in 5 though |
| 00:46.19 | pokoko222 | it is close I guess |
| 00:46.25 | klocatelli | it's not chance though |
| 00:46.34 | ojwb | for a start, either you submitted a junk application and it's 0, or you are competing with the other people who didn't submit junk |
| 00:46.59 | pokoko222 | ojwb: oh yeah it then if you did not submit junk I guess your chance is 1/2 :D |
| 00:47.01 | klocatelli | or other people who did submit junk and skew the numbers |
| 00:47.02 | pokoko222 | or maybe 1/3 |
| 00:47.08 | ojwb | e.g. about 25% of our applications are either spam or so poor we aren't considering them further |
| 00:47.16 | pokoko222 | haha wow |
| 00:47.23 | pokoko222 | that is nice to know you made my day :D |
| 00:47.51 | pokoko222 | ojwb: wait you are in gsoc, or you talk about your org? |
| 00:47.56 | ojwb | my org |
| 00:48.00 | pokoko222 | I thought you talk in the name of gsoc, oh sorry |
| 00:48.02 | ojwb | (xapian) |
| 00:48.29 | pokoko222 | you can than narrow things down even more |
| 00:48.57 | ojwb | i don't know what the proportion would be overall |
| 00:49.22 | pokoko222 | ojwb: I would say now around 1/3 in worst case if you submitted good code and not trash |
| 00:49.27 | pokoko222 | or some really simple patch |
| 00:49.31 | ojwb | from what I've heard, it's uneven, perhaps due to students submitted 20 to orgs with certain tags, or to the first or last 20 in the list |
| 00:52.03 | pokoko222 | havent seen Phd's in my project |
| 00:52.12 | pokoko222 | Phd's don't find gsoc interesting? |
| 00:52.20 | pokoko222 | I have seen lots of masters though |
| 00:52.29 | ojwb | i think phds tend to lack the time |
| 00:52.49 | ojwb | but there are some |
| 00:52.58 | ojwb | there's a stat for undergrad vs masters vs phd somewhere |
| 00:53.48 | pokoko222 | hmm let me know if you find a link for that |
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| 00:55.32 | ojwb | did you try google? |
| 00:55.39 | pokoko222 | i dont know what to search for :D |
| 00:55.39 | ojwb | i found it on the first attempt... |
| 00:55.46 | ojwb | gsoc phd masters |
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| 00:57.14 | ojwb | dberkholz: thanks for the "project" column idea |
| 00:57.30 | pokoko222 | lot of people from India :D |
| 00:57.48 | ojwb | yes |
| 00:58.17 | pokoko222 | I am amazed small country like Romania has a university that is second in place for number of gsoc students |
| 00:58.24 | ojwb | i think that's partly because there are just a lot of people from India, and also because gsoc is now well known at a lot of indian universities |
| 00:58.44 | pokoko222 | half of the people in my project are from India :D |
| 00:58.48 | pokoko222 | and the dudes are good |
| 00:58.55 | ojwb | you need to hear about it to apply, so someone enthusiastic at a single uni can make a big difference |
| 00:59.40 | pokoko222 | if accepted i am going down in history as first gsoc student :D |
| 00:59.46 | pokoko222 | for my uni |
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| 01:03.03 | klocatelli | me too :D though mine's very young |
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| 01:03.21 | pokoko222 | lol |
| 01:03.28 | pokoko222 | mine also, maybe like 5 years or so |
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| 01:09.55 | thgil | Is there a way to see what colleges have had students in GSOC? |
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| 01:10.44 | ojwb | yes, there are stats linked from the gsoc blog |
| 01:18.07 | thgil | 10 in total from my college have been in gsoc |
| 01:18.27 | thgil | although never heard about it in my college |
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| 01:27.56 | dberkholz | ojwb: happy to help (if it does) =) |
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| 01:42.57 | ojwb | dberkholz: it does - some of the student proposal titles are rather unhelpful, and now melange truncates them it's really hard to tell what some are about from the list |
| 01:43.04 | dberkholz | indeed. |
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| 01:43.51 | ojwb | yeah, be nice if it rememberd |
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| 02:50.18 | LetterRip | !next |
| 02:50.19 | gsocbot | LetterRip: "next" is (#1) Students: keep impressing your mentors until accepted proposals are announced 19:00 UTC April 23, or (#2) Organizations: by 19:00 UTC April 10, make sure your slot allocation request is accurate |
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| 03:04.57 | ojwb | you shouldn't stop impressing your mentors at 19:00 UTC on April 23rd... |
| 03:05.21 | ojwb | !forget next |
| 03:05.21 | gsocbot | ojwb: Error: 2 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them. |
| 03:05.29 | ojwb | sigh |
| 03:05.35 | ojwb | !forget next 1 |
| 03:05.36 | gsocbot | ojwb: "next" is Organizations: by 19:00 UTC April 10, make sure your slot allocation request is accurate |
| 03:05.36 | ojwb | !forget next 2 |
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| 03:06.36 | ojwb | !learn next as Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23. Orgs: make sure your slot allocation requests are accurate by 19:00 UTC April 10. |
| 03:06.37 | gsocbot | ojwb: "next" is Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23. Orgs: make sure your slot allocation requests are accurate by 19:00 UTC April 10. |
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| 04:50.59 | Uzix | I want to go with GSoC as summer practice in university. Currently I need submit a preliminary information (name of organization, address, organization director name, my practice chief name) to my university. What data should I use: Google or of my organization? |
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| 04:54.37 | tomprince | Uzix: Your best bet would be to talk to your university, explain the situation to them, and give them both. |
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| 04:59.24 | klocatelli | also you might want to get accepted first... |
| 04:59.32 | klocatelli | unless you already are... |
| 05:01.01 | tomprince | You can't be at this point. |
| 05:01.40 | tomprince | Although, it may be reasonable to start the paperwork, depending on the circumstances. |
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| 05:01.57 | klocatelli | true |
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| 05:38.02 | thebolt | hi |
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| 05:43.24 | klocatelli | hi |
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| 06:11.40 | asteig | I hate waiting to know if I get to do GSoC this summer. LOL |
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| 06:12.57 | klocatelli | I hate waiting to know anything :/ |
| 06:13.17 | klocatelli | but really |
| 06:13.22 | klocatelli | I hate waiting in general :D |
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| 06:16.09 | vi151 | Hi |
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| 06:16.28 | vi151 | Can somebody help me with this question I have: |
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| 06:17.20 | vi151 | When I made the proposal on the 6th, last week, I did not find a place where I could upload a pdf document that I would have liked to |
| 06:17.52 | vi151 | I want to pass it on as supplementary reading material supportin my proposal |
| 06:18.00 | vi151 | How do I do this ? |
| 06:18.16 | klocatelli | upload it and paste a link in your comment section? |
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| 06:18.18 | Catfish_Man | put a url to it in your proposal, host it somewhere else? |
| 06:18.34 | klocatelli | afaik you can't edit the proposal anymore? |
| 06:18.38 | allenZ | I believe you can directly contact the project you apply for |
| 06:19.15 | vi151 | My proposal is a blue-sky type, and based upon research that is not yet published. |
| 06:19.38 | vi151 | So, I would like to know a way to share the document in a non-public way. |
| 06:19.39 | Uzix | tomprince: that's necessary, but I sould provide preliminary to university in few days |
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| 06:21.53 | Uzix | *preliminary information |
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| 07:12.46 | klocatelli | tl;dr: 0 |
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| 07:21.29 | ojwb | klocatelli: but in base 8 |
| 07:21.49 | klocatelli | pretty sure that's zero in any base |
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| 07:30.38 | kai | klocatelli: apart from base0, possibly |
| 07:30.59 | kodaws | !next |
| 07:31.00 | gsocbot | kodaws: "next" is Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23. Orgs: make sure your slot allocation requests are accurate by 19:00 UTC April 10. |
| 07:31.22 | kodaws | !countdown-app |
| 07:31.22 | gsocbot | kodaws: "countdown-app" is http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=GSOC+student+application+deadline&day=06&month=04&year=2012&hour=19&min=00&sec=00&p0=0 |
| 07:32.37 | kai | !countdown |
| 07:32.39 | gsocbot | kai: "countdown" is Countdown for accepted organization list: http://goo.gl/WWIAU |
| 07:32.42 | kai | hmm |
| 07:32.51 | kai | !forget countdown |
| 07:32.51 | gsocbot | kai: The operation succeeded. |
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| 07:46.30 | coderhs | can we still add edit to the proposal if the mentor organisation agrees... |
| 07:46.55 | masquerade | Yes |
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| 07:51.30 | ojwb | coderhs: but don't expect them to automatically agree |
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| 07:52.43 | coderhs | ojwb: oh, by them you mean google or the organisation |
| 07:52.50 | ojwb | the org |
| 07:52.55 | ojwb | google has no say in this |
| 07:52.58 | coderhs | okay.. |
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| 09:00.40 | trademark_ | Hello, I don't why, I'm not able to see my proposal anymore. Though I've already posted an answer.. Do you know what's wrong ? |
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| 09:01.59 | |Kev| | trademark_: Try #melange. |
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| 09:12.10 | trademark_ | |Kev|, ok, thanks. |
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| 09:53.59 | afia | can we know the total proposal for a org? |
| 09:54.24 | |Kev| | They might tell you, they might not. |
| 09:54.31 | ChrisOelmueller | have you tried asking them? some orgs share those numbers, some don't |
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| 10:56.07 | ks21 | when was the last date fo student |
| 10:56.14 | ks21 | for* |
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| 10:58.11 | ks21 | when was the last date for students |
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| 10:59.01 | kai | what date? |
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| 10:59.22 | kai | !timeline | ks21 |
| 10:59.23 | gsocbot | ks21: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
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| 11:02.17 | Lanka_ | Is there a way to know how many slots are allocated to each organization?(in 2011 at least) |
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| 11:04.19 | David_Honeynet | Lanka_: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2011 |
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| 11:04.26 | David_Honeynet | sort my org, count |
| 11:04.30 | David_Honeynet | sort by even |
| 11:04.54 | kai | can be different this year, of course |
| 11:05.26 | Lanka_ | Thanks David_Honeynet |
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| 11:13.24 | thebolt | hi kai , how's going? |
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| 11:16.10 | kai | hey thebolt |
| 11:16.41 | kai | ok, waiting for the afternoon so I can go home and assemble my new toy ;) |
| 11:16.56 | |Kev| | New toy? |
| 11:17.45 | kai | I finally replaced the PC I got from my GSoC 2005 money with a new machine |
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| 11:18.07 | thebolt | hehe okay, what did you get yourself? |
| 11:18.09 | kai | one that eats less electrons than my quad-core dev machine :) |
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| 11:18.52 | |Kev| | Ah. |
| 11:19.07 | kai | intel G840 cpu, ssd (hdds are too expensive these days)... |
| 11:19.16 | |Kev| | Haha. |
| 11:19.40 | kai | well, the data will go onto an older 500 gig drive I still have lying around |
| 11:19.50 | kai | but the system will be on the ssd |
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| 11:20.07 | |Kev| | That's what I do on my workstation and my games machine. |
| 11:20.50 | kai | the amazing part is that the new computer cost less money than my phone cost last month :) |
| 11:21.21 | kai | and that's with a 64gig ssd |
| 11:21.26 | |Kev| | I think your phone bills must be higher than mine. |
| 11:21.45 | kai | hehe, no, the phone as in the device I talk into |
| 11:21.50 | kai | not the running costs |
| 11:21.53 | |Kev| | Ah. |
| 11:22.10 | kai | I realize I was a bit ambiguous there |
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| 12:08.26 | afia | @|kev| and @Chris thank for the info, i will try asking them.. |
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| 12:12.48 | aried3r | !logs |
| 12:12.48 | gsocbot | aried3r: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 12:13.29 | aried3r | What logging script or bot is used to create those? I like the calender layout. |
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| 12:32.41 | brlcad | aried3r: ibot performs the logging, http://ibot.rikers.org/ ... lots of channels |
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| 12:32.59 | brlcad | it's an infobot, formerly blootbot, but now remerged as infobot |
| 12:33.45 | aried3r | Can you "order" it for your channel? |
| 12:33.48 | aried3r | To do the logging? |
| 12:34.19 | brlcad | sure, send a message to timriker when he's online and he'll add you |
| 12:34.34 | aried3r | Great, thanks. |
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| 12:35.03 | brlcad | alternatively, can send him an e-mail |
| 12:35.19 | brlcad | (http://rikers.org/) |
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| 12:36.53 | aried3r | Thanks |
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| 12:40.26 | Fare_ | !next |
| 12:40.28 | gsocbot | Fare_: "next" is Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23. Orgs: make sure your slot allocation requests are accurate by 19:00 UTC April 10. |
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| 12:45.17 | hsr | eggdrops ftw |
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| 13:12.32 | aliq | hi. can i somehow see how many proposals the different orgs got? or at least how many there were in total? |
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| 13:12.56 | gevaerts | !numapps | aliq |
| 13:12.56 | gsocbot | aliq: "numapps" is In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, of which 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 13:13.37 | JordiGH | Hm, 70 proposals for my org. |
| 13:13.40 | JordiGH | starts reading. |
| 13:13.43 | aliq | gevaerts: thanks, is the info per org also available? |
| 13:13.57 | gevaerts | aliq: you can ask them, but they can opt to keep that private |
| 13:14.31 | aliq | k, thanks. (wouldn't ask 179 orgs - not worth the effort :) ) |
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| 13:17.49 | kai | aliq: you could check last year's pages |
| 13:18.28 | JordiGH | Mentors can still sign up, right? |
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| 13:21.08 | kai | JordiGH: sure |
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| 13:25.07 | JordiGH | What's the url for melange sign up? |
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| 13:28.58 | David_Honeynet | JordiGH: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2012 |
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| 13:29.36 | JordiGH | David_Honeynet: I want the actual link. I don't want to tell people to hunt around for a link to click on. |
| 13:30.01 | JordiGH | https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/profile/mentor/google/gsoc2012 <-- Looks like this is it? |
| 13:30.12 | JordiGH | had to log out to see it. |
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| 13:36.35 | premz1991 | hello there! |
| 13:38.07 | JordiGH | sup dawg |
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| 13:40.11 | premz1991 | hi nixoeen |
| 13:40.22 | nixoeen | premz1991: hi |
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| 13:41.18 | premz1991 | hello nixone |
| 13:41.41 | premz1991 | hows ur project going on |
| 13:42.45 | premz1991 | thr |
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| 13:49.09 | JordiGH | Can I tell melange to only notify me of activity in certain proposals? |
| 13:49.22 | JordiGH | I love GNU, but I don't have time to care about all of the projects it's sponsoring. |
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| 13:53.01 | JordiGH | Did the Easter Bunny give anyone else any pressies? |
| 13:53.04 | JordiGH | got tons of chocolate. |
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| 14:31.17 | raman | hello |
| 14:31.47 | raman | i wanted to know one thing that what does gsoc final project deadline means |
| 14:33.21 | kai | raman: what final deadline are we talking about? |
| 14:33.47 | raman | the aug 11 deadline of submission |
| 14:34.07 | raman | i wnted to know that is it very strict deadline |
| 14:34.29 | raman | if one is not able to finish its project by then ,, what will be done |
| 14:35.28 | kai | where did you get aug 11 from? |
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| 14:35.45 | JordiGH | raman: The final deadline strict for your mentor, who has to decide by that date whether you've completed the project successfully or not. You may be able to convince a mentor to approve you by that date with a promise that you'll still submit some part of the work later, but don't count on it. I personally accepted a student's work by that date and he sent me some documentation after that date, but I didn't consider the documentation as part of th |
| 14:35.45 | JordiGH | e deliverables, just a nice icing on top. |
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| 14:36.03 | JordiGH | A nice cherry on top, I mean. |
| 14:36.22 | kai | but still [citation needed] on the date :) |
| 14:38.14 | raman | u mean it is possible that even though the proposed project has not been completed but he is cleared gsoc (final evaluation) and maintains a promise with the mentor to complete the project by december |
| 14:38.31 | raman | is it like that |
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| 14:39.13 | JordiGH | raman: It can be like that, but don't count on it. In fact, it is not like that. It's best if you have the belief that it is not like that. |
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| 14:40.06 | JordiGH | raman: What org did you apply to, curious? |
| 14:40.39 | raman | no i havent |
| 14:40.52 | raman | my brother has for sympy |
| 14:41.04 | buffyg | Generally speaking, you should be polishing things up by Aug 11, not worrying about having deliverables outstanding. |
| 14:41.24 | buffyg | The general expectation is that work should be committed by final eval. |
| 14:41.32 | JordiGH | Is August 11 pencils down? |
| 14:41.49 | thgil | Aug 13 is |
| 14:41.57 | thgil | the suggested date for pencils down |
| 14:42.05 | JordiGH | thgil: Thanks, you saved me some http requests. |
| 14:42.18 | thgil | and Aug 20 is the firm pencils down date |
| 14:42.28 | thgil | np |
| 14:42.46 | raman | buffyg: u mean there can be deliverables which can outstanding ... but by now what u have completed should be well furnished |
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| 14:47.07 | raman | so deliverables are not something fixed which will be eveluated ... it is the work u do at your best |
| 14:47.16 | buffyg | Sorry, I don't grok your last response. I think the point is that, by the suggested deliverables date what needs to be committed should be fairly thoroughly lined up. Follow-ups like documentations are the sort of thing that you might reasonably carry into the final week. |
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| 14:48.09 | buffyg | No, if you don't have the agreed deliverables done, you don't expect to pass unless you've had a chat with your mentor about show-stoppers as soon as you become aware of them. |
| 14:48.38 | raman | hmm i agree with u |
| 14:48.48 | buffyg | At least for my org, deliverables are essentially a contract. You can renogiate, but you can't fail to deliver. |
| 14:48.55 | raman | show stoppers? |
| 14:48.57 | buffyg | er, renegotiate |
| 14:49.41 | raman | ok |
| 14:49.43 | buffyg | Some projects may discover roadblocks they can't clear (e.g. an upstream outside your org doesn't come through). |
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| 14:51.04 | kai | what buffyg said probably applies to most orgs |
| 14:51.13 | buffyg | It can be OK to renegotiate when you flag isses as soon as you find them. If you wait until eval time to signal that, you're more likely to have negative consequences. |
| 14:51.19 | buffyg | er, issues |
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| 14:52.17 | kai | basically, if you have a tendency for doing this, you won't even make it into august |
| 14:52.41 | buffyg | As part of our feedback process, we asked students to structure their projects so that there's a clear basis for mid-term evaluation. |
| 14:52.41 | kai | mid-term evals are in mid-july |
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| 14:59.52 | kai | hey lh, congrats |
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| 15:25.19 | ashwinravichandr | Has anyone got a word for the proposals they put in? |
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| 16:07.16 | buffyg | ashwinravichandr: What do you mean? |
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| 16:13.04 | bleach | hey i wanted to ask about how to enter gsoc |
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| 16:13.19 | JordiGH | bleach: Applications are already closed. Did you already apply? |
| 16:13.33 | bleach | dam i jus learned about it like i live in the caves |
| 16:13.36 | bleach | :( |
| 16:13.38 | JordiGH | bleach: Well, for students. If you want to mentor, that's still open. |
| 16:13.40 | bleach | thanks mate |
| 16:13.58 | bleach | im in comp science major i wanted to work |
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| 16:14.15 | tomprince | Or, if you aren't interested in the money, most orgs are probably willing to mentor anyway. |
| 16:14.20 | bleach | can u plz temme details how to join next year |
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| 16:14.39 | bleach | u don think im ready for mentorin |
| 16:14.51 | bleach | i* |
| 16:14.53 | bleach | zzzzzzz |
| 16:14.58 | bleach | lol |
| 16:15.00 | JordiGH | lol |
| 16:15.15 | bleach | oh yeah its written on top also |
| 16:15.31 | bleach | wat do i do to get ready and be better for next year |
| 16:15.48 | bleach | did u join ? |
| 16:15.50 | JordiGH | bleach: A good way to get ready would be to participate without money. |
| 16:16.18 | bleach | DUDE FUK MONEY LOVE OF THE CODE I HAVE FREINDS HERE WHO TALK ABT CARS SEE MY NIK DO U THINK I CARE |
| 16:16.43 | JordiGH | The ops don't like profane language, dude. |
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| 16:16.49 | JordiGH | I don't mind, but the ops mind. |
| 16:16.54 | bleach | oops |
| 16:17.12 | bleach | where u from |
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| 16:17.24 | JordiGH | I'm Mexican. Where are you from? |
| 16:17.30 | bleach | well wats the fun in priv chat with no f's |
| 16:17.35 | bleach | pakistan man |
| 16:17.43 | |Kev| | This isn't private chat. |
| 16:17.44 | bleach | u wouldnt know :P |
| 16:17.56 | bleach | freenode ???? then |
| 16:18.05 | thgil | only 408 people are reading this |
| 16:18.16 | bleach | lol but i meant in another way nvm |
| 16:18.19 | JordiGH | thgil: Assuming nobody reads the logs. |
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| 16:18.35 | JordiGH | bleach: I've never been in Pakistan, no. Anyways, you could start getting involved this year with some free org of your liking. |
| 16:18.46 | bleach | rails |
| 16:18.55 | bleach | i eamn i want to work in rails |
| 16:18.58 | bleach | mean* |
| 16:19.00 | JordiGH | So start talking to the rails people, start getting involved in their project. |
| 16:19.09 | bleach | how do i talk to them |
| 16:19.15 | bleach | kk |
| 16:19.18 | bleach | ill find somfin |
| 16:19.33 | JordiGH | If there is a GSoC next year and you've already been involved with Rails, it's very likely a student proposal of yours could get accepted. |
| 16:20.01 | bleach | yes i have 2 proposals |
| 16:20.05 | bleach | but zzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 16:20.21 | bleach | next year is my final year i would be doin my fyp |
| 16:20.25 | JordiGH | What does that mean? You're buzzing like a fly? You're sleeping? |
| 16:20.31 | JordiGH | What's a fyp? Final year project? |
| 16:20.38 | bleach | no jus an expression i learnt from dota |
| 16:20.48 | bleach | yes final year project |
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| 16:21.25 | bleach | how do i work with an organization who works in rails |
| 16:21.45 | JordiGH | You can go look at the list of the orgs and grep for "rails": http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 |
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| 16:22.53 | JordiGH | But that's for this year. There is good correlation between orgs being accepted for the next year if they were accepted for this one. |
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| 16:23.30 | sharvey | oh wow |
| 16:23.33 | sharvey | lots of talk |
| 16:23.45 | bleach | hifi ^^^^^english dude so ur sayin |
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| 16:23.57 | bleach | this list wasnt accepted |
| 16:24.07 | bleach | and i can try in them? |
| 16:24.14 | JordiGH | Hm? |
| 16:24.29 | bleach | im sorry i didnt understand |
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| 16:24.46 | thgil | Thats a list of the orgs you can apply to |
| 16:24.49 | JordiGH | I said that this is the list of orgs that was accepted for 2012. If you want to work on GSoC 2013, if it exists, it's likely that most of these orgs will be in GSoC 2013. |
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| 16:25.22 | bleach | so they are still acceptin bcz it says 6th april |
| 16:25.38 | bleach | do i start makin the proposal |
| 16:25.39 | JordiGH | bleach: No, application period is closed. |
| 16:25.45 | bleach | :( |
| 16:25.48 | bleach | so wat now |
| 16:25.50 | bleach | void |
| 16:25.54 | bleach | :P |
| 16:26.05 | JordiGH | For this year. Hope that there is a GSoC next year and start working on it with a full year of head start. |
| 16:26.20 | thgil | You can still apply to them but outside GSOC |
| 16:26.21 | bleach | hmmmm |
| 16:26.44 | bleach | ok so ill check this list and use it to find out what kind of projects people doin |
| 16:26.50 | bleach | make a proposal |
| 16:26.54 | bleach | polish rails skills |
| 16:26.59 | bleach | and wait for 2013 |
| 16:27.05 | bleach | am i ryt or am i ryt? |
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| 16:27.34 | JordiGH | ur2rytlol |
| 16:27.35 | buffyg | Not with your spelling, no. ;-/ |
| 16:27.37 | sharvey | so, you do know that students, mentors *and* google people are in this channel |
| 16:27.59 | bleach | but outside of gsoc hmm |
| 16:28.01 | bleach | yes i know |
| 16:28.02 | sharvey | you should consider making a good impression if you want to get accepted |
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| 16:28.14 | bleach | what i said wrong |
| 16:28.21 | bleach | zzzzzzz |
| 16:28.22 | bleach | k |
| 16:28.30 | thgil | lol |
| 16:28.32 | sharvey | also, maybe get some sleep? |
| 16:28.36 | bleach | hahahah |
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| 16:29.01 | thgil | !coffee | bleach |
| 16:29.01 | gsocbot | bleach: "coffee" is over there, go take a cup. |
| 16:29.03 | bleach | i said before its jus an expression dota players use when some1 is lagging out |
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| 16:29.43 | kblin | lagging out? everything < 5h is a great response time on IRC :) |
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| 16:29.58 | bleach | in pakistan lights go out for atleast 6 hours here :( and u sayin sleep? |
| 16:30.17 | bleach | @kblin im not talkin abt irc |
| 16:30.23 | bleach | read the line |
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| 16:30.44 | sharvey | bleach: I don't understand where the thing about lag is coming into play |
| 16:30.51 | bleach | nvm |
| 16:30.53 | bleach | pff |
| 16:30.55 | bleach | .... |
| 16:31.11 | kblin | so in this channel, I'd guess most people would understand "zzzzzz" as the noise sleeping makes in comics |
| 16:31.29 | bleach | what are u dudes doin here besides imba helpin |
| 16:31.49 | sharvey | kblin: + |
| 16:31.49 | bleach | yes they would if they are not into dota |
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| 16:32.23 | |Kev| | I think it's safe to assume that there isn't a strict correlation between people mentoring/adminning/participating in GSoC and people playing DOTA. |
| 16:32.33 | bleach | lol |
| 16:32.36 | Lennie | |Kev|, SC2 maybe :p |
| 16:32.40 | bleach | he asked about zzzzzzzzzzz |
| 16:32.44 | kblin | funnily enough, 100% of the people in this channel are in this channel, I'd bet the % of people playing dota is much lower than that |
| 16:32.45 | natsurou_ | !cake |
| 16:32.46 | gsocbot | natsurou_: "cake" is (#1) not a lie anymore, 'cause lh got us some., or (#2) verily omnomnom |
| 16:32.46 | bleach | hahahha SC2 |
| 16:32.52 | |Kev| | Lennie: Love to. Now? :) |
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| 16:33.12 | Lennie | |Kev|, I'm at work although some people here do play it during lunch :P |
| 16:33.13 | bleach | garena |
| 16:33.14 | bleach | ? |
| 16:33.25 | bleach | sc2 < dota |
| 16:33.43 | bleach | im feelin they will kick me outta here if i start a debate like that |
| 16:33.53 | bleach | XD |
| 16:33.56 | sharvey | bleach: you should... probably be more productive |
| 16:34.35 | bleach | i am man i jus said lyts are out for 6 hours cant get uni work and other work done in large quantity |
| 16:34.46 | sharvey | bleach: then sleep |
| 16:34.52 | sharvey | or, work on paper |
| 16:34.52 | bleach | sleep with no fan |
| 16:34.54 | bleach | zzzzzzzzzzz |
| 16:34.59 | sharvey | bleach: I've done that before |
| 16:35.04 | bleach | i even read books on pc |
| 16:35.06 | sharvey | I lived in SE asia for 6 years |
| 16:35.26 | bleach | i do that when i need it otherwise i read |
| 16:35.30 | natsurou_ | that's common here in Peru |
| 16:35.31 | JordiGH | bleach: What does "zzzzzzzz" mean? |
| 16:35.35 | bleach | workin on a oracle project |
| 16:36.03 | bleach | jordi scroll up man i don like to repeat ma self :P |
| 16:36.21 | thgil | Its bleach lagging out on us |
| 16:36.24 | bleach | sharvey where in asia se? |
| 16:36.26 | natsurou_ | it's very uncommon to have air conditioner |
| 16:36.35 | JordiGH | bleach: I have been reading all you said, but I don't see an explanation of "zzzzz". |
| 16:36.36 | bleach | natsuro india? |
| 16:36.37 | natsurou_ | even in university |
| 16:36.44 | natsurou_ | Peru |
| 16:36.50 | sharvey | bleach: malaysia |
| 16:36.51 | bleach | have it in uni :) |
| 16:36.54 | natsurou_ | south america |
| 16:36.58 | bleach | no man pakistan |
| 16:37.03 | thgil | JordiGH: bleach: i said before its jus an expression dota players use when some1 is lagging out |
| 16:37.11 | JordiGH | What's dota? |
| 16:37.23 | bleach | yes jordi and thgil |
| 16:37.26 | JordiGH | bleach: So wait, when you say "zzzzzzzz" you want us to respond faster? |
| 16:37.29 | bleach | omg |
| 16:37.35 | bleach | HAVE U PEOPLE DONE NETWROKIN |
| 16:37.37 | natsurou_ | in my faculty there is one in the library, and you could imagine how crowled it use to be.... |
| 16:37.44 | JordiGH | bleach: What is "dota"? |
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| 16:37.47 | sharvey | bleach: this is irc, we don't all respond instantaneously |
| 16:37.47 | bleach | DATA lag<<<<<<<<<<< heard it before |
| 16:37.47 | ajed | is this an 8 year old? |
| 16:37.55 | natsurou_ | !dota |
| 16:37.55 | sharvey | some of us work at jobs |
| 16:38.01 | gevaerts | ajed: looks like it |
| 16:38.11 | ajed | bleach, you have interacted with people before, right? |
| 16:38.13 | |Kev| | bleach: Please try and act in a manner more consistent with the rest of the channel. |
| 16:38.17 | bleach | im 22 man |
| 16:38.24 | bleach | okz |
| 16:38.25 | ajed | bleach, act your age then |
| 16:38.26 | bleach | i will |
| 16:38.36 | bleach | but i dont know y u all so serious |
| 16:38.37 | JordiGH | Hm, "dota" seems to be "Defense of the Ancients", some Warcraft game. |
| 16:38.48 | bleach | its a mode actually but nvm |
| 16:38.52 | sharvey | bleach: I consider applying to gsoc similar to applying for a job |
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| 16:39.05 | bleach | hmmm any luk |
| 16:39.06 | JordiGH | In fact, isn't it legally a job? |
| 16:39.16 | bleach | yes it says in desc |
| 16:39.16 | sharvey | hence the level of seriousness and professionalism |
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| 16:39.20 | JLuc | join spoiledbrats |
| 16:39.22 | JLuc | oups |
| 16:39.23 | bleach | they pay for projects |
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| 16:40.07 | natsurou_ | you should have job permission to apply, so it's a job |
| 16:40.30 | bleach | natsurou wagata |
| 16:40.45 | lcotte | i need a help |
| 16:40.49 | dfighter | legally it's a contract job |
| 16:40.54 | bleach | waghari mashta |
| 16:40.59 | lcotte | how i send a patch from mentors???? |
| 16:41.12 | bleach | u want to send? |
| 16:41.15 | bleach | zip and email |
| 16:41.16 | bleach | :P |
| 16:41.23 | natsurou_ | *wakatta, wakarimashita ... |
| 16:41.40 | bleach | lol dude grammer police and japanese wow |
| 16:41.47 | JordiGH | natsurou_: Does that mean "I understand"? |
| 16:41.56 | JordiGH | wakarimashita? |
| 16:41.58 | natsurou_ | yes |
| 16:42.00 | bleach | yes |
| 16:42.01 | JordiGH | Neat. |
| 16:42.10 | JordiGH | learned something watching japanese cartoons. |
| 16:42.13 | bleach | i wanted to ask somthin |
| 16:42.18 | bleach | ABOUT rails |
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| 16:42.46 | dfighter | bleach could you drop the pre-teen SMS "English"? |
| 16:42.47 | bleach | is there a gui for rails like CS5 if not what we waitin for i mean a button lets u make controller and shit |
| 16:43.07 | lcotte | i need send from phpadmin |
| 16:43.11 | ajed | was it necessary to swear? it was not descriptive at all.. |
| 16:43.13 | bleach | im sorry i dropped milk on my keyboard and now some keys don work |
| 16:43.17 | lcotte | but i generate the patch in git |
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| 16:43.28 | bleach | doesnt matter lcotte |
| 16:43.32 | bleach | they will know |
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| 16:44.17 | kblin | lcotte: if you need to send the patch by mail, have a look at git format-patch |
| 16:44.36 | kblin | lcotte: otherwise, if php uses github, maybe send a merge request |
| 16:44.50 | kblin | lcotte: it really depends on the community you want to send the patch to |
| 16:44.54 | kblin | allman: hi cat :) |
| 16:45.09 | allman | kblin: hi :) |
| 16:45.13 | bleach | php no i don think so |
| 16:45.13 | lcotte | right, thanks people |
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| 16:45.19 | bleach | hmmm |
| 16:45.53 | bleach | ajed ?? seriously man |
| 16:46.00 | kblin | lcotte: they likely have patch submission guidelines for regular contributors |
| 16:46.07 | ajed | pardon? |
| 16:46.26 | kblin | lcotte: you're a regular contrinutor, so just follow that |
| 16:47.11 | bleach | upload it on github and they will pull it out from there |
| 16:47.19 | bleach | zzzzzzzzzzz |
| 16:47.27 | kblin | bleach: please stop doing that. |
| 16:47.36 | kblin | it's annoying and just adds noise. |
| 16:47.49 | bleach | no noise mate jus in ur head too much radiohead |
| 16:48.09 | sharvey | your signal-to-noise ratio is low |
| 16:48.20 | JordiGH | I cast another ballot for "annoying". |
| 16:48.29 | klocatelli | ++ |
| 16:48.34 | bleach | programmers are like writers, who write stories for a computer to believe in zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz yy so serious |
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| 16:48.37 | ajed | bleach, this is a logged channel - mentors and org admins are able to search you in the logs |
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| 16:48.44 | kblin | bleach: in general, I'd appreciate if you'd behave a bit more professional in here |
| 16:48.49 | sharvey | bleach: I'm not a programmer, I'm a researcher |
| 16:48.55 | sharvey | everything is serious |
| 16:49.03 | bleach | im sorry |
| 16:49.06 | kblin | bleach: there's other channels for hanging out |
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| 16:49.22 | tomprince | We're not necessairly serious, just somewhat serious *here* |
| 16:49.32 | bleach | one more thing is there a rails developer here plz do tell |
| 16:49.39 | |Kev| | Site-appropriate seriousness. |
| 16:49.41 | tomprince | !anyone | bleach |
| 16:49.41 | gsocbot | bleach: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 16:49.54 | sharvey | bleach: you should join #gsoc-noise |
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| 16:50.01 | sharvey | if noise is all you are going to contribute |
| 16:50.11 | bleach | ok sir i will do that |
| 16:50.17 | bleach | ty |
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| 16:51.07 | bleach | gsocbot can u gimme link for mentorin |
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| 16:52.40 | kblin | bleach: rumour has it that there's a company that has a pretty good search engine |
| 16:53.28 | |Kev| | Named after an amusing misspelling of an exponent of ten? |
| 16:53.34 | bleach | im in workin mode now sorry ur comment wont do nuffin |
| 16:53.45 | thgil | http://www.bing.com/ ? |
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| 16:58.09 | carols | serves some macadamia nuts and pineapple from hawaii |
| 16:58.24 | |Kev| | carols: Welcome back. Now for more madness. |
| 16:58.38 | carols | |Kev|: thanks :-) |
| 16:59.50 | allman | Carols: Welcome Back!! |
| 17:00.04 | carols | thanks :-) |
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| 17:08.20 | naderman | hmm can/should org admins be mentors too? |
| 17:08.40 | |Kev| | If there are other people to help. |
| 17:08.47 | |Kev| | Sole org admin plus mentoring is quite a workload. |
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| 17:09.37 | naderman | well we have 2 active org admins, and I'm wondering if they should signup as backup mentors, so we can take on 1 additional student (actual main mentor would be someone else, but we should probably keep the 2:1 mentor:student ratio) |
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| 17:10.10 | |Kev| | And this isn't your first year? |
| 17:10.12 | naderman | yes |
| 17:10.17 | naderman | this is our first year |
| 17:10.18 | naderman | I mean |
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| 17:10.56 | |Kev| | I would treat your first year as a getting-to-know-the-system and err on the side of caution (and a good experience for the students). Next year (assuming) you'll have a better idea about workloads. |
| 17:11.05 | |Kev| | Overcommitting now could be painful for you. |
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| 17:11.30 | |Kev| | Saying that, it seems reasonable to me for someone sharing admin of a small org to also be a backup mentor. |
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| 17:11.58 | naderman | |Kev|: well either that one (non-admin) mentor just doesn't get to be a mentor, or we find someone to be his second, if we have to keep the 2:1 ratio |
| 17:12.17 | naderman | not sure how having him not mentor is going to lessen the workload for anyone else |
| 17:12.42 | |Kev| | (For that matter, I'll be sharing admin and being a primary mentor, with some luck - although I'll be trying to hand off most admin tasks once that starts. |
| 17:13.15 | naderman | heh ok |
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| 17:13.47 | WinterMute | naderman: |Kev| what orgs are you with? |
| 17:14.00 | |Kev| | XSF (XMPP Standards Foundation | Swift project) |
| 17:14.13 | naderman | WinterMute: phpBB, we got 56 applications for our first year 1-4 slots ;-) |
| 17:14.30 | |Kev| | naderman: You should only expect 1-2 slots for your first year, though. |
| 17:14.34 | |Kev| | !slots | naderman |
| 17:14.34 | gsocbot | naderman: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
| 17:14.49 | Bidik | people the comment i get to my proposal are more like a fight between the people commenting .... one says please explain more, other says no it's done it should be declined ... |
| 17:14.50 | naderman | |Kev|: well yeah, I was basically thinking if we can ask for a third with enough mentors |
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| 17:15.01 | naderman | wasn't going to be any more than 3 |
| 17:15.33 | gevaerts | Bidik: you could tell them about private comments... |
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| 17:16.46 | Bidik | well after i see the atmosphere and their mood i'm afraid to say anything ... the mad one will get more mad the other seeking clarification will ask more ... and i'll be caught in the midle in the fight ... |
| 17:17.14 | |Kev| | gevaerts: It needn't be that they don't know about them...they could just be as incompetent as me. |
| 17:17.54 | gevaerts | |Kev|: is that likely? ;) |
| 17:18.07 | |Kev| | Not terribly, no. |
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| 17:22.33 | lcotte | PhpMyAdmin |
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| 17:38.28 | romsrini | As an org, where do we officially make our slot request? |
| 17:38.42 | |Kev| | On the org profile. |
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| 17:40.10 | tisqueldotim | hi there .. |
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| 17:44.18 | romsrini | Thanks Kev! |
| 17:44.25 | |Kev| | YW. |
| 17:44.34 | dberkholz | turns out the org profile is awfully tough to find |
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| 17:44.50 | dberkholz | i usually go through the dashboard, list my orgs, click on the org name, then click edit at the top |
| 17:44.57 | |Kev| | That's what I do. |
| 17:45.04 | |Kev| | It's not entirely intuitive, I agree. |
| 17:45.15 | dberkholz | should be one of the sidebar links |
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| 17:45.32 | dberkholz | or at least somewhere obvious in the admin dashboard |
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| 17:47.14 | Lennie | dberkholz, agree. I thought I filed an issue on that but I'm unable to locate it |
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| 17:50.05 | JLuc | k |
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| 18:03.35 | Alexia_Death | Hi, can someone explain to me what the "Accept proposal" toggle is for in the admin view? |
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| 18:06.12 | ChrisOelmueller | all student proposals you want to accept must have that toggle set to "Accept" |
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| 18:06.29 | ChrisOelmueller | if you "accept" more students than you have slots, the ones with the highest score will be chosen by melange |
| 18:06.29 | Alexia_Death | ChrisOelmueller: Before slots sorting? |
| 18:06.58 | Alexia_Death | ChrisOelmueller: Last year we could see how many slots we get an then accept them. |
| 18:07.08 | |Kev| | Alexia_Death: Carol said it would help her evaluate if mentors were matched and accept was flicked, in her Announce email. |
| 18:07.08 | Alexia_Death | ChrisOelmueller: is it different this year? |
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| 18:07.23 | Alexia_Death | ok |
| 18:07.43 | ChrisOelmueller | i believe the ospo team will do the preliminary run soon, after which you will know a slot # estimate |
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| 18:14.02 | jps | !next |
| 18:14.03 | gsocbot | jps: "next" is Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23. Orgs: make sure your slot allocation requests are accurate by 19:00 UTC April 10. |
| 18:14.14 | kblin | omg... |
| 18:14.39 | jps | 45 minutes to slot request finalization deadline |
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| 18:14.59 | kblin | my bios' (or rather uefi's) tagline seems to be "tomorrow's technology today"... and the clock is a day early |
| 18:15.08 | gevaerts | :) |
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| 18:58.56 | LetterRip_ | tick.. tock... tick... tock |
| 18:59.13 | OsakaFoo | Boom! |
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| 18:59.54 | JordiGH | What, lunchtime? |
| 19:00.13 | Alexia_Death | curses in the directon of UTC and DST confusion. |
| 19:00.18 | fxrh | !next |
| 19:00.19 | gsocbot | fxrh: "next" is Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23. Orgs: make sure your slot allocation requests are accurate by 19:00 UTC April 10. |
| 19:00.57 | LetterRip_ | Alexia_Death: that is why i use google and do 'current time utc' :) |
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| 19:01.17 | LetterRip_ | now next needs to be changed again :) |
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| 19:01.38 | LetterRip_ | waves hi to carols |
| 19:01.42 | carols | hey LetterRip_ |
| 19:01.43 | carols | :-) |
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| 19:04.24 | thgil | !next |
| 19:04.25 | gsocbot | thgil: "next" is Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23. |
| 19:05.32 | meflin | hmm that is skipping over a a bit of timeline ;) |
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| 19:07.01 | jps | !next |
| 19:07.02 | gsocbot | jps: "next" is Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23. |
| 19:07.10 | LetterRip | hrmm - i always wonder what students are thinking when they never reply to feedback, etc. |
| 19:07.30 | ajed | probably "should i reply or not?" |
| 19:07.32 | LetterRip | does it not occur to them that that doesn't exactly inspire confidence? |
| 19:07.38 | X-tonic | !numapps |
| 19:07.38 | gsocbot | X-tonic: "numapps" is In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, of which 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 19:08.14 | LetterRip | wow a 1 in 5 chance |
| 19:08.23 | gevaerts | !odds | LetterRip |
| 19:08.24 | gsocbot | LetterRip: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 19:08.25 | gevaerts | :) |
| 19:08.33 | LetterRip | yeah yeah i know |
| 19:08.38 | ajed | you're forgetting that one guy sent in 10 proposals |
| 19:08.40 | ajed | lol |
| 19:08.41 | meflin | LetterRip: not sure myself I have to outstanding interview scheduled interview requests, and if they disappear its not slot for them |
| 19:08.44 | jps | !learn next as Orgs: carols will announce slot allocations Wednesday, 11 April after the close of business Pacific time |
| 19:08.45 | gsocbot | jps: "next" is (#1) Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23., or (#2) Orgs: carols will announce slot allocations Wednesday, 11 April after the close of business Pacific time |
| 19:08.46 | LetterRip | ajed: heheh |
| 19:08.57 | X-tonic | !help |
| 19:08.57 | gsocbot | X-tonic: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 19:09.21 | LetterRip | meflin: yeah - failure to respond to questions generally means the student won't be responsive during gsoc - which generally means - automatically out of contension |
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| 19:09.54 | meflin | well its not just that the interview is probably 60% of your "grade" :D |
| 19:10.02 | fxrh | gevaerts: if it's not about luck, why does the topic wish us luck? ;) |
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| 19:10.25 | gevaerts | fxrh: because modern sensibilities think it's insensitive not to! |
| 19:10.38 | LetterRip | well there is a luck compenent no matter the skill |
| 19:10.46 | thgil | jps: Are the slot allocations for each org public? |
| 19:10.50 | LetterRip | they could have applied to an org without much mentoring capacity |
| 19:10.58 | LetterRip | so could be far better than the average proposal |
| 19:11.02 | carols | hm, getting pinged everything someone asks gsocbot for "next" seems less than ideal to me. |
| 19:11.07 | LetterRip | but the org can't mentor them |
| 19:11.17 | LetterRip | hehe |
| 19:11.18 | jps | thgil: I don't know, I don't remember. carols? ^ |
| 19:11.28 | carols | no, they're not public. |
| 19:11.30 | LetterRip | thgil: nope |
| 19:11.35 | fxrh | or luck is about how bad the other proposals are ;) |
| 19:11.35 | jps | oh sorry I will change that |
| 19:11.40 | carols | thanks jps |
| 19:11.41 | jps | !forget next 2 |
| 19:11.41 | gsocbot | jps: "next" is Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23. |
| 19:11.46 | carols | you can just say "Carol" |
| 19:11.49 | carols | that won't ping me. |
| 19:11.54 | carols | besides, it's my name. |
| 19:12.11 | jps | !learn next as Orgs: Carol will announce slot allocations Wednesday, 11 April after the close of business Pacific time |
| 19:12.11 | gsocbot | jps: "next" is (#1) Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23., or (#2) Orgs: Carol will announce slot allocations Wednesday, 11 April after the close of business Pacific time |
| 19:12.32 | LetterRip | oh heheh - that is why you were getting pinged everytime :) |
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| 19:12.40 | LetterRip | is slow sometimes |
| 19:13.01 | jps | it was just stupidity on my part, but alls well that ends well |
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| 19:15.06 | LetterRip | anywho - so my luck explanation - it is some luck component because you aren't competiting against the entire candidate pool, only the candidate pool for an org, and the org can only accept based on their mentoring capacity. Also you could do an amazing proposal but the mentors might not recognize it, or just have a mentor who thinks 'your way' is 'the wrong way' |
| 19:15.23 | meflin | well and there slots |
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| 19:20.01 | meflin | so far i've never had to turn down a student that was a complete ball of awesomeness, some I thought would do ok.. yes |
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| 19:22.14 | thgil | its hard to compete with giant balls of awesomeness |
| 19:22.22 | meflin | hard to find as well :) |
| 19:22.27 | JordiGH | I have three really awesome proposals, two good ones, and two I'm not sure about, and I can probably only accept one student. ;_; |
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| 19:23.17 | platzhirsch | JordiGH: when I start reading your sentence I thought you are a student and was really flashed of the number of submitted proposals |
| 19:23.50 | meflin | if they are CBofA's can you find more mentors? |
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| 19:27.21 | thgil | meflin: CBofA = Complete ball of awesome? |
| 19:27.25 | meflin | yea |
| 19:27.38 | thgil | kk just making sure:) |
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| 19:27.56 | |Kev| | It's lucky for me (slots allowing) that we've got an extra mentor-slot this year (my software project, not my umbrella org) - we had about half as many applications for our project again as the total number of applications to our org last year. |
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| 19:28.51 | |Kev| | And while only three are CBofA, I reckon about half of them would have been very viable choices. |
| 19:28.53 | meflin | last year we ran into a CBofA who we had no mentor with the right skills ( umbrella ) so we went out and got the mentors |
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| 19:29.51 | |Kev| | The number of applications to other apps within the umbrella is about the same as last year, but the number of applications to us increased by a factor of ten or so. |
| 19:29.58 | nemo | so. the gsoc interface is kinda slow when one has a lot of proposals (oh, 70 or so) to go through |
| 19:30.02 | |Kev| | It's astounding. |
| 19:30.07 | nemo | I'd like to ctrl-click to open them in new tabs, which I can do... |
| 19:30.14 | nemo | except that every time I save a comment it redirects back to the list |
| 19:30.19 | nemo | is there any way to turn that off? |
| 19:30.25 | meflin | wow that kind of up-tick would crush our process :) |
| 19:30.26 | |Kev| | I do that and then just hit 'back'. |
| 19:30.27 | nemo | I'd like to stay on a proposal after writing a comment |
| 19:30.34 | meflin | we are very small tho :) |
| 19:30.49 | nemo | |Kev|: yeah. I've started doing that. but it is kinda slow and inconvenient, I was hoping there was some UI option |
| 19:30.51 | |Kev| | meflin: Considering I'm the main person doing GSoC on the app, and also the org admin, it's been a bit hard on me. |
| 19:30.57 | thgil | A CBofA would be like a PHD student with a ton of experience in open source projects? |
| 19:31.00 | |Kev| | nemo: I don't disagree :) |
| 19:31.06 | |Kev| | thgil: Nope. |
| 19:31.10 | nemo | |Kev|: esp if I add multiple comments. I just put 3 on one proposal to keep my areas of concern separate |
| 19:31.19 | |Kev| | Never trust anyone who wants a PhD :) |
| 19:31.33 | meflin | |Kev|: my first year as admin and I've been shocked at how much works its been .. :) |
| 19:31.40 | allman | [Kev]: I feel for you. I went through the 67 applications to the OSPO this weekend. |
| 19:31.57 | |Kev| | thgil: A CBofA would be someone who shows up, submits patches that are just wrong enough to need a revision, copes exceptionally well with the review process, engages with the community in the MUC, etc. |
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| 19:32.10 | nemo | allman: nice. I'm waaaay behind |
| 19:32.17 | nemo | allman: I've only reviewed like a dozen of the 70 :( |
| 19:32.24 | |Kev| | allman: Nasty. We have slightly fewer than that, but not much (I think we're bang on 50). |
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| 19:32.46 | |Kev| | allman: At least I guess you don't need to go through the ideas page and chasing mentors for ideas, chasing them to review etc. process. |
| 19:32.50 | nemo | allman: what particularly slows things down is people who put in links to dropbox that I have to copy and paste |
| 19:32.54 | allman | It's worth it :) and my cat helped by keeping my feet warm. |
| 19:32.55 | meflin | a CBofA is a self directed person who helps others, asks good questions, listens, challenges YOU at the right time, wants to become a long term contribute/member of your community ( and probably a lot more ) |
| 19:33.05 | |Kev| | allman: My job would have been easier if I'd unilaterally decided :) |
| 19:33.17 | allman | [Kev]: so true - you all have way more to do! |
| 19:33.20 | |Kev| | meflin: I agree with all the above. |
| 19:33.22 | nemo | |Kev|: oh. you are an admin? |
| 19:33.44 | nemo | if so, yeah. you have a much harder job. our admin is doing the work I'm whining about *and* the full admin burden |
| 19:33.45 | |Kev| | nemo: XSF (XMPP Standards Foundation) - a small umbrella. |
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| 19:34.00 | nemo | oh. nifty. |
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| 19:35.09 | |Kev| | allman: I will grant you have *small* amounts of extra work that I don't have, though. Carol too. :) |
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| 19:36.16 | buffyg | In a similar vein to students not responding to feedback, I sent recommendations to our developer list several times (with a subject line including "GSoC students"), particularly in the week before the deadline. Anyone who didn't act on those recommendations probably hasn't been following the mailing and thus did at least a partial autofrag in the process. |
| 19:36.40 | buffyg | er, following the mailing list |
| 19:36.49 | meflin | sweet my missing mentor ( moving contentents is back online ) |
| 19:37.07 | meflin | now I can at last start pushing real final selections |
| 19:37.48 | |Kev| | buffyg: I have chased people up quite a lot, anyone who then didn't sign themselves up for projects won't be mentoring this summer. It's harsh on the students who applied for their project, but I'd rather the slots went places that mentors can devote enough time to the programme. |
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| 19:38.15 | |Kev| | (Be it in our org or outside of it) |
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| 19:38.44 | meflin | I wont list idea's that dont have a reliable person to mentor |
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| 19:39.34 | |Kev| | That's sensible. It's what we try to do, but we have to give people who come along and ask to have their project ideas up a chance. |
| 19:39.44 | |Kev| | As long as we know them and we have reasonable faith they'll be reliable. |
| 19:39.52 | buffyg | I was pretty lucky because we have commercial orgs behind our project, so it wasn't too bad cat-herding mentors. |
| 19:40.14 | |Kev| | I can see that helping. |
| 19:40.30 | meflin | yea, I always put that question up first .. and I have been know to make exceptions if I know a different mentor could do the mentoring and the idea is cool enough |
| 19:40.50 | buffyg | The person who looks like our star mentor came from the community, and I also managed to get another community backup mentor to help support a strong applicant in a time zone where we don't have a lot of people. |
| 19:41.15 | buffyg | Obviously the community people get dibs on mentor summit travel money. ;-> |
| 19:41.19 | |Kev| | buffyg: Is this umbrella or not? I find the umbrellaness (and nature of the umbrella) makes life harder for us. |
| 19:41.45 | buffyg | No, but our ambition would be to convert to an umbrella org next year. |
| 19:42.38 | |Kev| | You're an XMPP client dev, and you're org admin. Some other XMPP client devs come along and want their projects listed...things get potentially messy if you start refusing without a sensible doubt of their reliability. |
| 19:43.05 | meflin | I just ask if they want to mentor that :) |
| 19:43.19 | |Kev| | Right. |
| 19:43.27 | meflin | if they say no, I tell them we need one to and go find one |
| 19:43.42 | |Kev| | I took that as given :) |
| 19:43.59 | buffyg | All of the projects that were awesoome pretty much presented themselves that way from day one. |
| 19:44.04 | meflin | then I play the .. well I'm waiting on your card ;) |
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| 19:44.28 | buffyg | For all of those, I had sure I had clear mentor matches very early on. |
| 19:44.41 | myth17 | post application period is too much of suspense for students to take :) |
| 19:44.46 | buffyg | Both primaries and backups. |
| 19:44.55 | meflin | myth17: trust me you have it easy :D |
| 19:44.59 | buffyg | er, I *made* sure. |
| 19:45.49 | flaushy | !slots |
| 19:45.49 | gsocbot | flaushy: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
| 19:46.11 | |Kev| | buffyg: Right. I did my due diligence, honest. There were mentors for the ideas, people we know, etc. It just happened that some then went quiet once the applications were in - I don't think you can reasonably know that'll happen in advance. |
| 19:46.26 | meflin | true |
| 19:46.41 | myth17 | meflin: we don't even know how many slots of org is going to fund. Why hide these details during the application period? |
| 19:47.03 | meflin | umm we ( admin ) do not know either |
| 19:47.05 | |Kev| | myth17: Those details aren't hidden. The orgs don't know yet. Carol doesn't know yet. |
| 19:47.18 | buffyg | Ah, right. In our case, none of the mentors who were seeing solid applications needed to be prompted to become active in providing feedback. |
| 19:47.30 | myth17 | |Kev|: the organizations will know it in a couple of days right? |
| 19:47.38 | flaushy | do you know when the slot numbers will be published to the orgs? (just about)? |
| 19:47.45 | |Kev| | myth17: The orgs will know finally when the student results are announced. |
| 19:47.50 | thgil | !next |
| 19:47.51 | gsocbot | thgil: "next" is (#1) Students: keep impressing your mentors; accepted proposals will be announced 19:00 UTC April 23., or (#2) Orgs: Carol will announce slot allocations Wednesday, 11 April after the close of business Pacific time |
| 19:47.52 | meflin | its on the timeline .. tommorow some time |
| 19:47.52 | dberkholz | carols: just wanted to note that this current period from friday to today is exactly the one i was whining about at fosdem as being way too short |
| 19:48.02 | |Kev| | flaushy: First draft numbers will be tomorrow night, I believe. |
| 19:48.09 | carols | dberkholz: so noted :-) |
| 19:48.19 | flaushy | |Kev|: ah thx. Faster than I expected :) |
| 19:48.34 | meflin | then the chaos begins :D |
| 19:48.39 | |Kev| | I don't think tomorrow will be a fun day for Carol. |
| 19:48.45 | dberkholz | it essentially makes the rest of the ranking period pointless if we already need to know exactly which apps are considered amazing and which would overall be accepted |
| 19:48.47 | meflin | give backs, pools, de-dups ect :D |
| 19:49.26 | myth17 | |Kev|: don't the organization choose number of proposals equal to number of slots they get? |
| 19:49.35 | buffyg | By and large, the most solid students presented themselves so well on the mailing list that feedback on melange was pretty seemless. |
| 19:49.45 | buffyg | myth17: No. |
| 19:49.47 | |Kev| | myth17: Orgs don't know the final number of slots they get until ~= when the students know. |
| 19:49.58 | |Kev| | A couple of days before, that's it. |
| 19:50.26 | meflin | we wont be done choosing students untill the 15th |
| 19:50.36 | meflin | our process is involved |
| 19:50.45 | buffyg | Orgs try to figure out what they can handle, and then there's effectively a bidding process. |
| 19:50.50 | myth17 | buffyg: |Kev| so basically they just choose all the good proposals, and if they get lesser slots. which proposals are rejected? |
| 19:51.01 | meflin | what looks good and what we can do is fairly set in stone tho |
| 19:51.08 | |Kev| | buffyg: Yeah, that doesn't work so well for an umbrella, sadly - you've no idea what's going on on other projects' lists, how well the teasers are going etc., and you have to rate proposals that aren't comparable. It's a bit messy. |
| 19:51.12 | buffyg | It's not just the good proposals: you have to consider resource issues and such. |
| 19:51.23 | myth17 | hmmm |
| 19:51.53 | buffyg | myth17: And you may have to pick between a number of good proposals for the same project. |
| 19:52.48 | myth17 | but there could be 6 project ideas all good and you get say 4 slots. The org gets to know this around 20th and they reject two more proposals? |
| 19:52.49 | |Kev| | Or persuade students to put in applications for different ideas. |
| 19:52.49 | buffyg | Resource issues can be org-wide or they can be project-specific. Not all student/project pairs are equal in terms of resource requirements. |
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| 19:53.35 | meflin | we have several very good looking apps for 1 idea slot |
| 19:53.35 | addictzabhi | hello. |
| 19:53.40 | meflin | someones going to loose |
| 19:53.42 | addictzabhi | hello |
| 19:53.45 | LetterRip_ | buffyg - yes for us the top applications tend to seperate themselves from the pack early on |
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| 19:54.25 | addictzabhi | anyone who is appled to worldforge-ember?? |
| 19:54.28 | LetterRip_ | myth17: a student could be accepted by two orgs |
| 19:54.40 | LetterRip_ | all sorts of different scenarios |
| 19:54.59 | buffyg | LetterRip_: The one thing that surprised was students who came in relatively early, asked the right questions, dropped off the lists, and tried to do applications at the last minute. |
| 19:55.00 | LetterRip_ | while the process seems trivial from the outside - it isn't |
| 19:55.03 | addictzabhi | ?? |
| 19:55.22 | LetterRip_ | buffyg - those tend to be students working on finals :) |
| 19:55.30 | LetterRip_ | or term papers etc. |
| 19:55.39 | buffyg | These were the ones who seemed to have missed recommendations telling them where the bar was set. |
| 19:55.45 | addictzabhi | any1 who applied to worldforge-ember?? |
| 19:56.00 | LetterRip_ | addictzabhi: probably many - just not in channel right now :) |
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| 19:56.32 | addictzabhi | yea.. |
| 19:56.43 | addictzabhi | u r mentor?? or student?? |
| 19:57.07 | buffyg | LetterRip: I'm not really convinced of that. |
| 19:57.15 | myth17 | LetterRip_: so all the resolution takes place around 20th? |
| 19:57.42 | myth17 | LetterRip_: less slots and duplicates |
| 19:58.01 | buffyg | myth17: Nothing's really done until the notifications are given. Don't expect to hear anything until then. Orgs aren't allowed. |
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| 19:58.15 | myth17 | hmmm |
| 19:58.23 | LetterRip_ | myth17: yep we are sworn to secrecy till the public announcement |
| 19:58.37 | myth17 | hmm :) |
| 19:58.53 | meflin | its right in the org contract .. or give up your firstborn and your computers |
| 19:58.53 | myth17 | Thats why my point of the application period being too hard on students :) |
| 19:59.02 | dberkholz | not only that, but things change till pretty darn close to the announcement |
| 19:59.08 | dberkholz | within a day or two |
| 19:59.36 | dberkholz | consider how much time it takes a big organization to get dozens of mentors to read 50-100 proposals or more |
| 19:59.36 | Catfish_Man | back before organizations were sworn to secrecy, I told a prospective student (and friend of mine) that he was likely to be accepted, based on how things were going at that point |
| 19:59.41 | Catfish_Man | he wasn't accepted, and was furious at me |
| 19:59.42 | LetterRip_ | myth17: go find something else to do in the iterim :) |
| 19:59.45 | Catfish_Man | so yeah, no telling :) |
| 19:59.47 | LetterRip_ | like code something interestng and fun |
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| 20:00.47 | |Kev| | carols: Got a moment for a PM (no urgent reply needed), or would you rather I dropped a mail? |
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| 20:00.55 | carols | |Kev|: pm is fine |
| 20:00.57 | carols | thanks for asking. |
| 20:01.52 | LetterRip_ | hmmm - i've always thought it a bit redundant to ask if msging is ok - since then the person has to reply to you twice whether it is or isn't |
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| 20:02.21 | dberkholz | some people get very annoyed when you don't ask first. |
| 20:02.35 | dberkholz | it's like walking into their house without knocking the door |
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| 20:03.20 | dberkholz | why would you have to reply twice, anyway? someone asks in channel whether they can query, you reply, then they proceed to begin the discussion |
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| 20:04.26 | |Kev| | LetterRip_: There's a subtle social contract going on. If you ask someone in the channel and they don't reply, then that's fine, it's a busy room. If you recieve a PM it's a direct question to you, and there's an expectation you'll reply, etc. I think it's less troublesome just to ask. |
| 20:05.42 | |Kev| | LetterRip_: And that expectation's naturally different for different people. So it doesn't seem worth the risk of annoying people by doing something they wouldn't do themselves. |
| 20:05.47 | LetterRip_ | |Kev|: makes sense - i usually only pm if it is something that is not for public consumption |
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| 20:06.25 | |Kev| | Right, this wasn't, but being told to wait until later would have been fine. |
| 20:06.25 | LetterRip_ | ie the nature of the question - not the urgency of requested response |
| 20:07.11 | buffyg | |Kev|: are the issues you see with being an umbrella mostly about having streams that don't cross (more big tent than umbrella)? |
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| 20:07.28 | |Kev| | It depends who's doing the asking, too, I think. When students starting PMming me out of the blue in here it can get irritating. I'm more than happy for mentors/Google people to PM me whenever. |
| 20:07.55 | |Kev| | buffyg: I don't think I understand the question. |
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| 20:08.57 | buffyg | I'm trying to understand what can make being an umbrella hard. One thing I'd imagine is that you're highly federated, bringing together somewhat disconnected orgs. |
| 20:09.06 | |Kev| | Right. That :) |
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| 20:10.20 | |Kev| | So, possibly uniquely to us (not sure), we're a federated group of similar projects. We've got multiple XMPP servers, multiple XMPP clients, etc. So you've got similar ideas potentially for different projects, with no intersection between possible mentors, plus you have the issue of fairness - do I give 3 slots to my own project while not letting another project have any because their applications weren't as good as ours? |
| 20:10.26 | buffyg | Umbrella gives me the image of maybe two people walking right up against each other to stay dry. In a big tent, people can spread out and don't have to mix with people they didn't come with. |
| 20:10.31 | meflin | there are also issues involved for many of not having everyone together |
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| 20:11.13 | meflin | as a very small one we work around that by having everyone ... together ... and as admin I join all parts of the other comunitys to keep an eye on things for GSOC |
| 20:12.20 | buffyg | We have the added quirk that a lot of people in our org all used to work for the same company Sun and possible the Lawnmower. |
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| 20:13.07 | meflin | if I had to join 10+ irc channels and emails lists .. I dont think that could even happen :) |
| 20:13.39 | |Kev| | meflin: I don't try. We have an org-wide gsoc list that's used by mentors in the lead-up and mentors and students during. |
| 20:13.45 | buffyg | A handful of people joined the project when there was a community linked to Sun and stayed. I'm part of the first generation born in space: I used the technology going back twelve years or so, but I didn't get involved in the development community until after we forked. |
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| 20:14.00 | meflin | |Kev|: so do we , and irc channels :) |
| 20:14.07 | meflin | but I also keep tabs on the other spaces |
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| 20:15.14 | |Kev| | Right, I meant - and that's it at an org level (well a MUC too). I expect projects themselves to handle the studenty interactions for the most part. |
| 20:15.39 | meflin | we take a more team approach |
| 20:15.42 | variable | waves to mel |
| 20:15.49 | variable | erm - wrong channel and person |
| 20:15.54 | meflin | thats part of how we worked before gsoc tho |
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| 20:16.46 | dberkholz | hi lh. no oscon for us =\ |
| 20:17.13 | dberkholz | i might find someone on the committee to bug about how close we got |
| 20:17.15 | |Kev| | meflin: I'd like to have an overview of everything, but I don't think it's viable. At least not without spending all of every day on org admin, and I've spent quite a lot on it this year already. |
| 20:17.18 | buffyg | Insofar as we're contemplating ending up an umbrella, it's largely because we have technologies that sort of stand apart from the platform, and the base of people involved overlap heavily with the core project. |
| 20:18.05 | |Kev| | buffyg: So that doesn't sound like an umbrella to me, that sounds like a logical single org - maybe I don't understand. |
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| 20:18.21 | meflin | |Kev|: your situation isn't like mine for me its just a few extra place to hang and we all work with lots of overlap in personal already |
| 20:19.31 | |Kev| | meflin: I expect I'm making it out to be harder than it is and I'm just being lazy. We're not a particularly large umbrella ourselves (small enough that one person can just about keep on top of admin) |
| 20:20.06 | buffyg | Well, we have technologies like DTrace and ZFS that have grown beyond illumos. So a possible future would be to have open-source platforms that use these technologies (e.g. FreeBSD, Linux) in separate projects able to participate in GSoC with us as an umbrella. |
| 20:20.10 | meflin | well hehe Its hard trust me :) |
| 20:20.13 | LetterRip | |Kev|: which umbrella are you? |
| 20:20.45 | |Kev| | buffyg: Ah, you're illumos? Then yes, that sounds umbrellaish and I just didn't understand :) |
| 20:21.01 | |Kev| | LetterRip: XSF (XMPP) |
| 20:21.06 | dberkholz | a lot of distros tend to be more umbrella-like |
| 20:21.28 | dberkholz | supporting kinda random and disparate apps that help the distro |
| 20:21.40 | LetterRip | ah jabber :) |
| 20:22.56 | buffyg | |Kev|: Yeah, there's already a ZFS working group that meets in a smoke-filled room to talk about things across the different implementations. It would be nice if there were something like GSoC helping things happen out in the open. |
| 20:22.58 | |Kev| | LetterRip: Pretty much. |
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| 20:23.47 | |Kev| | I keep meaning to fire up illumos, but I never get around to it. It's harder for me to just decide "I'm going to use $X as my main OS for a while" than it used to be. |
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| 20:24.29 | buffyg | Don't worry. The revolution will come to you. ;-> |
| 20:25.25 | |Kev| | buffyg: Which distro should I choose? :) |
| 20:25.48 | buffyg | As the development manager for OI, I think I'm likely to be biased. |
| 20:26.27 | |Kev| | I think one expects bias when asking for opinions :) |
| 20:26.42 | buffyg | Really, the distros don't overlap much at this point: OI is general-purpose but is the only distro that clearly targets desktops... |
| 20:27.00 | |Kev| | Any chance of grabbing it and it working on a laptop? |
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| 20:27.22 | buffyg | SmartOS is for cloud deployment and tends to imply building for scale and embracing a concept of infrastructure. |
| 20:27.43 | buffyg | And illumian targets people who want Debian packaging for server deployments. |
| 20:28.04 | buffyg | I run it on my laptop, but I'm still porting drivers for it. ;-> |
| 20:28.23 | JordiGH | What, what is the only distro that targets desktop? |
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| 20:28.32 | JordiGH | I feel the virgin honour of my distro is in peril. |
| 20:28.33 | LetterRip | ah - so the OS for those who yearn for the early days of linux :) |
| 20:28.52 | buffyg | OI is the only illumos distro that includes a desktop focus. |
| 20:28.52 | JordiGH | Alarum! To arms! To battle! |
| 20:28.57 | JordiGH | sounds the horn of Gondor. |
| 20:29.10 | JordiGH | Oh, Illumos. |
| 20:29.36 | JordiGH | withdraws the troops. |
| 20:29.39 | buffyg | Bear in mind, we're a bit incestuous. I work on OI, but my employer sponsors illumian. |
| 20:29.42 | JordiGH | We have no quarrel with the Illumos people. |
| 20:30.15 | buffyg | It's illumos, BTW. Something about capitalization making the spelling confusing with sans serif fonts. |
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| 20:30.59 | buffyg | But it's definitely *not* Linux. Warning GSoC students: do not write anything in your application that implies that you think that illumos is a Linux distro. No. |
| 20:31.12 | JordiGH | I don't need no fonts. |
| 20:31.14 | dberkholz | and in return, you create a huge pile of annoyance from every journalist out there |
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| 20:31.32 | buffyg | Journalists know we exist? |
| 20:31.46 | gevaerts | buffyg: there is no system out there that's *not* based on linux. We at rockbox know this well! |
| 20:33.24 | alinrus | buffyg: posix, close enough :)) |
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| 20:33.50 | LetterRip | it has an ix ending, close enough :) |
| 20:33.55 | JordiGH | Lunix? |
| 20:34.10 | LetterRip | an x ending |
| 20:34.21 | JordiGH | y lunix no worky |
| 20:34.21 | gevaerts | JordiGH: no C64 here! |
| 20:34.23 | LetterRip | an i and an x somewhere in the name |
| 20:34.36 | JordiGH | Beardix! |
| 20:35.18 | |Kev| | buffyg: My biggest problem is going to be that Qt for Solaris is incomplete, I expect :) |
| 20:35.22 | |Kev| | (No WebKit) |
| 20:35.45 | |Kev| | I'm just assuming that Qt builds on illuminos. |
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| 20:38.01 | buffyg | We've got a WebKit port inbound. |
| 20:38.55 | schumaml | got an OpenSolaris DVD somewhere. this was the first Os I never ever managed to install |
| 20:38.58 | buffyg | We're in the course of spinning up our porting project, as we're pretty clear about what we like and don't like about what the Lawnmower has done for Solaris (hereafter known as LawnmowerOS). |
| 20:39.28 | buffyg | SmartOS also does their own thing derived from pkgsrc. |
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| 20:41.50 | buffyg | If you want to get the Lawnmower joke, see Bryan Cantrill's "Fork Yeah!" LISA talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc |
| 20:42.10 | JordiGH | That's forked up. |
| 20:42.31 | |Kev| | It seems to be an hour long, I'm not sure I care about the joke *that* much :) |
| 20:43.00 | JordiGH | Motherforker! |
| 20:43.07 | JordiGH | etc etc |
| 20:43.39 | buffyg | Bryan's funny enough (in a Unix geek kind of way) that it's not a long hour. |
| 20:44.03 | |Kev| | I'll leave it open and watch it while working tomorrow, then. |
| 20:44.49 | flaushy | hmm that reminds me of so many OSes I still need to try :( |
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| 20:46.05 | alinrus | we had a nexenta server at the univ, the apt thing was nice |
| 20:48.54 | buffyg | As that's my employer, I'm glad you like our brand of toaster. |
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| 20:51.05 | flaushy | buffyg can I message you? |
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| 20:56.59 | qheaden | Will I be notified by email if an organization makes a comment on my proposal? Or do I have to keep checking? |
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| 20:57.46 | buffyg | flaushy: Sure. |
| 20:58.47 | JordiGH | qheaden: By default, you'll be notified (of public comments, anyways). |
| 20:58.47 | thgil | qheaden: you should get an email. |
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| 21:01.43 | qheaden | Thanks. |
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| 22:06.45 | ben_endpoint1 | I am an org admin and I do not see the student proposals in my admin. My co-admin does. |
| 22:07.17 | ben_endpoint1 | - in my dashboard, I mean. |
| 22:07.33 | ben_endpoint1 | I wonder what I am missing. |
| 22:08.32 | meflin | my dashboard-> proposals submitted to my org |
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| 22:10.30 | ojwb | ben_endpoint: are you looking at the admin dashboard instead perhaps? |
| 22:10.44 | ben_endpoint1 | Probably. |
| 22:11.17 | ben_endpoint1 | because proposals is not under My Dashboard |
| 22:12.53 | ojwb | there are two different dashboards for org admins (don't ask me why) |
| 22:14.11 | ben_endpoint1 | Can you give me a hint on the URL for the other dashboard? :-) |
| 22:14.47 | ThomasWaldmann | ben_endpoint1: see the navigation at the left |
| 22:15.44 | ThomasWaldmann | and the admin dashboard has nothing interesting right now |
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| 22:16.32 | meflin | admin isn't the place to look |
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| 22:16.43 | meflin | my dashboard-> proposals submitted to my org |
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| 22:17.36 | uman | is the list of people who have applied for a given project public information? |
| 22:17.39 | uman | If so, where can I find this? |
| 22:17.57 | meflin | as far as I know that is not public |
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