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| 01:20.36 | pokoko222 | is it ok to ask a mentor what are my chances of being accepted ? |
| 01:20.55 | pokoko222 | at least if the news are bad I can try another project while there is time |
| 01:20.58 | ryao | pokoko222: Yes. |
| 01:21.22 | ryao | pokoko222: I think people are suggesting that you apply for multiple things. If multiple people apply, only 1 will be accepted. |
| 01:21.31 | pokoko222 | they are the ones with the final word right? google is just intermediary |
| 01:21.40 | ryao | I believe so. |
| 01:21.48 | ryao | I am mentoring and as far as I know, I get the final word. |
| 01:21.56 | pokoko222 | saying to multiply for more things is easier said than done :) |
| 01:22.02 | pokoko222 | to apply * |
| 01:22.22 | pokoko222 | the project I am on now... it is taking lots of time just to get to know the code |
| 01:22.29 | ryao | Which project? |
| 01:22.35 | ryao | pokoko222: Also, you could look at this: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2012 |
| 01:22.44 | ryao | is advertising his project. :P |
| 01:23.07 | pokoko222 | you are so evil :D |
| 01:23.09 | censorydep | pokoko, I have heard from some others that there is a balance. You don't want to apply to too many as your proposals will be weak. But, all-your-eggs-in-one-basket may not be a winning strategy either. |
| 01:23.35 | pokoko222 | so far I got it all on one |
| 01:23.38 | ryao | Or you could propose your own ideas and have a better chance of no one else proposing it. |
| 01:23.50 | pokoko222 | but so far on this one I am kicking ass |
| 01:24.01 | pokoko222 | so far I say, some better dude might come out |
| 01:24.24 | censorydep | well, if you feel like you're kicking ass, then I think it's definitely reasonable to show you work to the mentor and see what they think your chances are. |
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| 01:24.40 | pokoko222 | they like it and want to merge the code |
| 01:24.51 | censorydep | always a good sign. :-) |
| 01:25.01 | pokoko222 | and i am talking lots of code here |
| 01:25.03 | pokoko222 | 1000+ lines |
| 01:25.10 | pokoko222 | did it this week |
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| 01:27.41 | pokoko222 | if someone wants to merge 1000+ lines that is a good sign I guess :D |
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| 01:28.30 | censorydep | agreed. Good luck with your proposal. Definitely seems like you're off to a good start. |
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| 01:37.14 | thebolt | morning |
| 01:38.33 | MatthewWilkes | hi the |
| 01:38.37 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: |
| 01:38.39 | MatthewWilkes | bah |
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| 01:41.47 | thebolt | hi MatthewWilkes |
| 01:41.53 | thebolt | any success with your MCUs? |
| 01:42.41 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: yup, got them responding |
| 01:43.38 | MatthewWilkes | now I need to hack together a virtual serial port that they will talk to and I can bridge one onto my home network and play |
| 01:44.22 | MatthewWilkes | after that comes powering up the 802.15.4 radio, watching when nothing happens, and reading up on trace layout for 2.4ghz signals |
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| 01:55.51 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: layouts for RF parts is a bit.. interesting |
| 01:56.37 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Indeed, but there are 3 commercially available products based on this µ |
| 01:56.56 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: sure, its not magic.. but a bit different than low frequency parts |
| 01:56.58 | MatthewWilkes | one of them I found a lot of forum posts laughing at how they'd clearly just used eagle autorouter |
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| 01:57.13 | MatthewWilkes | people were getting decent range, but nowhere near what it could do |
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| 01:58.26 | MatthewWilkes | the other two are either a really expensive Atmel dev board (yuck) |
| 01:58.57 | MatthewWilkes | or a dresden electronics CE certified module for 25 EUR (nice) |
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| 02:00.58 | Darrow | Hey guys, the FAQ says I submit via the GSoC site, but the organization I'm submitting to says to send an e-mail to them. |
| 02:01.05 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Assuming that none of the other boards I have tried already are fixable my unit cost is already down to 30 EUR, so, no big loss ;) |
| 02:01.10 | Darrow | What am I supposed to do? |
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| 02:01.19 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: :) |
| 02:01.21 | MatthewWilkes | Darrow: The email is for their convenience so they can help you improve the proposal |
| 02:01.32 | MatthewWilkes | Darrow: Only applications submitted via the GSoC site count |
| 02:01.40 | Darrow | MatthewWilkes: Where's the link to the official application? I can't seem to find it. |
| 02:02.25 | MatthewWilkes | Darrow: Log in/register as a student on the site and you should see an apply button on org homepages |
| 02:02.59 | ojwb | if they prefer to work on it via email first, then do that as pasting it into melange repeatedly is very dull |
| 02:03.05 | Darrow | MatthewWilkes: Ah, got it, was looking on the individual organization pages the entire time. Thanks! |
| 02:03.05 | nightrocker | i've never wordked on a real project, less an open source project, but i love coding? will my application be considered? thanks for responding |
| 02:03.18 | ojwb | just make sure to actually submit it a decent amount before the deadline |
| 02:03.35 | ojwb | !amigoodenough | nightrocker |
| 02:03.35 | gsocbot | nightrocker: "amigoodenough" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
| 02:03.42 | ojwb | short answer is yes |
| 02:04.04 | ojwb | but apply for something appropriate to your abilities |
| 02:04.57 | nightrocker | thank you all :) you've encouraged me a lot to apply |
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| 02:13.42 | pkillian | How do we go about noting a typo on the summer of code registration? |
| 02:14.47 | pkillian | The example of how to write out the full name of our school has "University of California at Berkley". It should be Berkeley :P |
| 02:18.35 | Smasher816 | Im only 16, but know how to program. Any suggestions (seeing as this event is only for 18+). |
| 02:20.19 | Smasher816 | I guess i could just start helping some open source projects. I already use github for some colab android kernel work. |
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| 02:21.30 | MatthewWilkes | Smasher816: Sounds like you have a good idea of what you're doing already |
| 02:21.41 | MatthewWilkes | Smasher816: Also, keep an eye out for GCI |
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| 02:22.50 | Smasher816 | Thanks Matt. I was thinking some more 'events' or real life stuff would be nice to help give me some direction. Whats "GCI" you mention? |
| 02:23.30 | Smasher816 | ahh - http://code.google.com/opensource/gci/2011-12/index.html |
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| 02:25.05 | ojwb | pkillian: probably telling them on #melange would work |
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| 02:26.17 | ardahal | !timeline |
| 02:26.18 | gsocbot | ardahal: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
| 02:26.58 | Smasher816 | yay for irc bots. i actually made a simple telnet expect script to anounce stuff over irc. lol |
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| 02:27.57 | chitz | Hello, I had mailed the organization that I'm interested in with the project ideas that I would like to work on this summer. The mentors of the organization replied to it. So is it advisable to start the communication with them on the mailing list itself or to personally mail them regarding this? |
| 02:28.30 | ojwb | chitz: use the list |
| 02:28.41 | ojwb | public communication is the default |
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| 02:31.19 | chitz | ojwb: Thanks will stick to the mailing list. Also there is some kind of etiquette in gsoc, to not to include the "show quoted text" part in the mail. How valid is that in this case? |
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| 02:52.16 | ojwb | chitz: those sort of things are very org-specific |
| 02:52.29 | ojwb | generally people dislike the "top posting" style |
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| 02:53.01 | ojwb | and prefer you to quote the relevant parts interleaved |
| 02:53.08 | ojwb | but that's not universal (sadly) |
| 02:53.43 | ojwb | but communicating in public is a good default - if they do reply privately, you can follow the lead on that |
| 02:53.52 | Catfish_Man | top posting is the only thing that makes the slightest sense :P |
| 02:53.53 | Catfish_Man | also tabs |
| 02:54.17 | ojwb | it's tedious to get up in the morning and find a whole slew of PMs from people who are no longer on IRC |
| 02:54.36 | ojwb | and asking questions that could easily have been dealt with by anyone in the channel |
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| 03:21.27 | PJain | Hi - if I am a high school student, can I still participate? |
| 03:22.04 | Catfish_Man | no, although there's another related program called Google Code-In that does accept highschoolers |
| 03:22.19 | PJain | Ok - Thanks! |
| 03:22.33 | Catfish_Man | I don't believe it's been announced yet whether there'll be a GCI this year, but keep an eye out for it :) |
| 03:22.55 | tomprince | If you are currently in high school, but have been accepted for the fall, then you may be elligibale, I think. |
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| 03:24.48 | PJain | I'm a sophomore but I do work on several open source projects all ready. I'll check back with Code-In in November since that was when it was last year |
| 03:25.11 | Smasher816 | Im pretty much in the same boat PJain |
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| 03:41.45 | ojwb | tomprince: yeah, you need to be over 18 and enrolled in a university on the cut off date, and it's probably possible to be both while still at high school |
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| 04:32.23 | crdueck | hello, i'm very interested in participating in the gsoc. but as a freshman in university i'm worried i wont have enough knowledge or experience to handle it. I'm enrolled in a mathematics program and have some experience with functional (scheme) and imperative (c,c++) langauges. do i have a chance at all in getting an application accepted? |
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| 04:32.52 | ojwb | !amigoodenough | crdueck |
| 04:32.52 | gsocbot | crdueck: "amigoodenough" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
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| 04:49.16 | _hsr | crdueck, checkout the list of organisations accepted, there are many which has c/c++ as their language preference |
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| 04:50.59 | _hsr | to start, http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2012/ascend < its math + c/c++ |
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| 04:58.57 | crdueck | how necessary is it to have previous dev experience or commits to opensource projects? |
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| 04:59.35 | ojwb | most students don't |
| 04:59.47 | ojwb | have previous opensource experiencethat is |
| 05:00.12 | ojwb | previous development experience varies from close to none to lots |
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| 05:21.25 | Andrew_Askins | Does anyone have advice for a first year student with limited experience who is eager to get involved and learn and really wants to participate in the program? |
| 05:22.45 | Catfish_Man | Andrew_Askins: get involved early, self-motivate as much as possible, abandon fear and ego |
| 05:25.58 | Andrew_Askins | Catfish_Man What about as far as actually applying? I'm a freshman computer science student who knows Java, and that's about it, but I'm confident I can learn as I go. However all of the orgs seem to want extensive experience. How do I convince them I can do it? |
| 05:26.53 | Catfish_Man | Andrew_Askins: the usual two suggestions are a) to look for an easy-ish project from last year and see if you can prototype it, or at least understand roughly understand the solution |
| 05:27.05 | Catfish_Man | and/or b) to try fixing a small bug or two in your project of choice to get a feel for it |
| 05:27.28 | Catfish_Man | (and demonstrate some basic level of competence as a convenient side effect :) ) |
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| 05:28.21 | ojwb | notes there's an org tagged "good for beginners" |
| 05:28.24 | Andrew_Askins | Catfish_Man: So I should do this before starting and/or submitting my application? |
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| 05:28.47 | Catfish_Man | Andrew_Askins: heck, if you could manage to do it last year, that would be a great head start ;) |
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| 05:29.17 | Catfish_Man | Andrew_Askins: in pretty much any situation, getting more practice and getting involved is almost never the wrong answer |
| 05:29.22 | Catfish_Man | unless it's the drug trade or something I guess |
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| 05:32.55 | Andrew_Askins | @Catfish_Man: hahaha, fair enough. i've been looking at apertium and catroid. but you're saying the best thing to do would be to try coding something first, either a minor bug fix or old project, and then work on the proposal? |
| 05:33.36 | Catfish_Man | Andrew_Askins: or alternate, or do both at once, I don't know. :) |
| 05:33.38 | ojwb | Andrew_Askins: that's the better way round, as you'll learn quite a bit from working on the code |
| 05:33.50 | ojwb | which should help you write a better proposal |
| 05:34.06 | Andrew_Askins | okay, great! appreciate the advice. sorry for sounding dumb, just trying to get things straight |
| 05:34.26 | Catfish_Man | no worries, we get this several times a day. You're more polite than most ;) |
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| 05:37.27 | Andrew_Askins | haha, glad to hear it. where should i go about finding a simple bug to fix for apertium? should i check github or something like that? or would there website be the best place to find something like that |
| 05:38.07 | Catfish_Man | most projects have some combination of mailing list/forum, irc channel/xmpp room, and bug tracker |
| 05:38.39 | Catfish_Man | for the vaguely competent ones there's usually a "get involved" link somewhere reasonably obvious on their website that covers that |
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| 05:41.07 | tomprince | Some projects have some bugs explictly marked as simple. |
| 05:42.05 | Andrew_Askins | great, i've joined the irc channel, though no one's on at the moment. i'll look into mailing lists and forum and see if i can find anything on their site |
| 05:42.50 | Catfish_Man | it is about 11PM PDT, so I'd imagine a lot of people will be asleep |
| 05:44.01 | _hsr | on a math scale, what would be the chances of getting approved if you are just applying to a single org ? |
| 05:44.11 | Andrew_Askins | haha, yeah, not the best time to be getting started. life of a college procrastinator. |
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| 05:45.00 | kblin | _hsr: I think that's a clear q = 1-p chance, where 0 <= p <= 1 |
| 05:45.08 | klocatelli | lol |
| 05:45.31 | _hsr | ah, expected somthing like that :p |
| 05:45.37 | Catfish_Man | _hsr: a probabilistic approach is misleading. A top student will have an extremely good chance, since many of the applications submitted are barely more than spam |
| 05:45.44 | thebolt | morning kblin et al |
| 05:45.54 | kblin | morning thebolt :) |
| 05:47.12 | _hsr | hmm, I don't see any others I can work with now, too much involved with the current one :( |
| 05:48.12 | kblin | _hsr: so make sure the proposal to that one org is a good one |
| 05:48.42 | _hsr | will sure do :) |
| 05:48.55 | kblin | if your proposal is the best they have, even if they only get very few slots, you'll make the cut |
| 05:49.30 | kblin | the last few gsocs, I actually had less useful proposals than I had slots |
| 05:49.54 | ojwb | aww |
| 05:50.25 | ojwb | a wonder if that's better or worse than the contrary |
| 05:51.13 | kblin | on a personal level, the contrary is a bit sad |
| 05:51.26 | kblin | because you need to send a good student away |
| 05:51.48 | kblin | here, I just need to find a new home for my slot :) |
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| 05:52.29 | _hsr | is it possible that the slots can be redistributed, if some are not per standards |
| 05:52.34 | ojwb | yes |
| 05:52.39 | ojwb | it happens every year |
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| 05:58.30 | tomprince | Andrew_Askins: Is nobody on the channel, or are they just not responding? In the former case, I'd be inclined to guess you have the wrong channel (or server). |
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| 06:03.14 | Andrew_Askins | tomprince: nobody is on the sofc specific channel for apertium, there are lots of people on the general channel, but no one responding there. |
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| 06:36.25 | theatrex | Hello, how do I add my software to the GSOC listing? :) |
| 06:37.48 | ojwb | theatrex: wait until about february next year and then fill in an org application form |
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| 06:38.22 | theatrex | Yeah, I just saw the dead-line answer in the FAQ. Bummer. Thanks though! :D |
| 06:39.26 | ojwb | actually, it's worth starting gather ideas much sooner - it takes time to come up with a good list, and that's important to the org app |
| 06:40.18 | tomprince | This year it seemed to be one of the more important deciding factors, along with contingency plans. |
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| 06:40.48 | ojwb | I think it is every year |
| 06:41.10 | ojwb | particularly for new orgs |
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| 06:41.42 | theatrex | Well, I have quite a few of things already lol. It's difficult for me to play cook, chief, and bottle-washer. As far as I know I am the only one working on my software. |
| 06:41.48 | ojwb | hmm, i haven't read the logs of the feedback meeting |
| 06:42.19 | ojwb | theatrex: you're unlikely to get a one person project accepted - too much of a single point of failure |
| 06:43.10 | ojwb | if there's a suitable umbrella org, you might be best to try to go under their auspices |
| 06:43.24 | theatrex | ojwb: I realized this. I think I have an idea. |
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| 06:46.51 | theatrex | Thanks all! Good health. |
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| 08:17.58 | |Kev| | No proposals yet...sad panda :( |
| 08:19.10 | cb_ | any owasp mentors here ? |
| 08:19.30 | |Kev| | !anyone | cb_ |
| 08:19.30 | gsocbot | cb_: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 08:21.23 | cb_ | |Kev|, i have contect list, but want to chat to disuss something interesting :)) |
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| 08:47.05 | pokoko222 | I replied to mailing list and I my message does not show up |
| 08:47.21 | pokoko222 | what should I do |
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| 08:47.43 | pokoko222 | mail might show up later? things like this happen with mailing lists? |
| 08:48.00 | gevaerts | Lots of things happen with mailing lists |
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| 08:48.32 | pokoko222 | I should pray for the best and wait then |
| 08:48.42 | pokoko222 | if it does not show up I will send again in hour |
| 08:48.55 | gevaerts | Is this a subscribers-only mailing list? |
| 08:49.04 | pokoko222 | yes |
| 08:49.34 | gevaerts | Did you send the email from a subscribed address? |
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| 08:50.17 | pokoko222 | I replied to a message from gmail |
| 08:50.32 | pokoko222 | it worked so far |
| 08:50.45 | pokoko222 | I had done so before... send at least 10 mails so far |
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| 08:51.03 | gevaerts | It might have hit a spam filter. Such things happen |
| 08:51.43 | pokoko222 | oh oh i see it now |
| 08:51.47 | pokoko222 | yeiii |
| 08:52.02 | pokoko222 | it never took this long, like 15 min to show up after sending |
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| 08:53.02 | gevaerts | That doesn't sound very long |
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| 08:56.16 | mathieui | Hm, « Students should be prepared to provide oogle with official transcripts or a letter of acceptance from their accredited institution as proof of enrollment status » |
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| 08:56.34 | mathieui | Mine was a simple mail with « You are now registered as a student » |
| 08:57.45 | mathieui | Does that count? |
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| 09:02.31 | chino9 | I am Mexican and I want to apply as a student for gsoc, can I apply if my university is not on the "Accredited Universities" list? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_education_accreditation |
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| 09:17.57 | aliq | hey guys, stupid question: where are the logs? |
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| 09:18.32 | Jooles | !logs | aliq |
| 09:18.32 | gsocbot | aliq: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 09:19.21 | aliq | holy cow, I'll never understand gsocbot. Just tried /msging him with logs and !logs and whatever, and he ignored me. unpolite. |
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| 09:21.14 | Jooles | I would have thought there'd be some instructions for it somewhere but I've not found any. That's one of only three commands I've learnt for it :) |
| 09:21.36 | dhaun | Jooles: the syntax in PMs is different |
| 09:21.38 | weltallAnd | Bad bot! :) |
| 09:21.45 | dhaun | !gsocbot | Jooles |
| 09:21.46 | gsocbot | Jooles: "gsocbot" is http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Gsocbot |
| 09:21.56 | Jooles | Awesome :). Thanks dhaun |
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| 09:22.58 | sree_ | gsoc "mentors: apply now" page is somehow not working... |
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| 09:26.12 | ajaybhargav | can anyone tell me when to chat with a mentor?? |
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| 09:27.06 | ajaybhargav | ?? |
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| 09:28.36 | gevaerts | ajaybhargav: that's easy. Now |
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| 09:32.15 | gevaerts | ajaybhargav: don't contact people privately without prior agreement here |
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| 09:32.28 | ajaybhargav | ok.. sry |
| 09:33.04 | ajaybhargav | what if the mentors are not online? |
| 09:33.17 | ajaybhargav | when will they be online? |
| 09:34.03 | gevaerts | That depends entirely on their timezone and schedule |
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| 09:35.23 | ajaybhargav | how do i find out who is a mentor and who is not, in this channel? |
| 09:35.53 | MatthewWilkes | ajaybhargav: ask them, but it shouldn't matter |
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| 09:36.22 | MatthewWilkes | ajaybhargav: You're best off talking to people in the org chatrooms |
| 09:37.13 | ajaybhargav | ok.... thanks |
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| 09:44.38 | pc_magas | dude google melagne is TOOOO slow.... |
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| 09:45.55 | MatthewWilkes | pc_magas: Try accessing it in the middle of the night? ;) |
| 09:46.17 | pc_magas | <MatthewWilkes>The Hours that I sleep? |
| 09:46.30 | MatthewWilkes | pc_magas: It was a joke |
| 09:46.35 | pc_magas | In greece now is 12:46 |
| 09:47.01 | pc_magas | At least provide A Mirror site.... |
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| 09:47.31 | gevaerts | Mirrors don't work for dynamic sites |
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| 09:48.27 | sharvey | pc_magas: it seems to load pretty well for me |
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| 09:48.37 | sharvey | it's fairly early in the morning where I am |
| 09:49.10 | pc_magas | <sharvey>Did you filled the profile page? |
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| 09:49.27 | sharvey | pc_magas: mmmm no |
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| 09:50.40 | MatthewWilkes | pc_magas: If you're having a specific issue with a page taking unusually long to load you can file a bug, but only really if it's unusably slow |
| 09:50.51 | MatthewWilkes | otherwise it's probably just a GAE issue |
| 09:51.04 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: You think there might be a few users on it today? |
| 09:51.13 | gevaerts | Three of them, possibly |
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| 09:56.04 | pc_magas | Even the startpage loads too slow |
| 09:56.23 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: I don't think so, the FAQ's on there. Nobody reads that, what could they be looking at? |
| 09:56.37 | MatthewWilkes | pc_magas: too slow meaning "the connection times out"? |
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| 09:56.50 | MatthewWilkes | or too slow meaning "it's slightly inconvenient for me" |
| 09:57.17 | pc_magas | <MatthewWilkes>Yes it happend even this in firefox I got the error "The connectios was reset" |
| 09:58.08 | MatthewWilkes | pc_magas: On every page? |
| 09:58.14 | pc_magas | yy |
| 09:58.36 | pc_magas | Perhaps there are many connections on this site |
| 09:58.49 | MatthewWilkes | pc_magas: Then there's might be something wrong with your internet connection, it works fine for me and others |
| 09:58.58 | MatthewWilkes | you might have got unlucky and hit an overloaded server, yeah |
| 09:59.00 | MatthewWilkes | keep trying |
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| 10:17.04 | faryshta | How do I change my profile info on melange? |
| 10:18.25 | faryshta | ???? |
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| 10:18.54 | aghisla | faryshta: log in, click on "My Profile" |
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| 10:21.28 | faryshta | ctrl-f "my profile" doesn't find anything. |
| 10:21.35 | faryshta | aghisla, |
| 10:22.19 | zapimaster | you need to go to GSOC page and, if your are logged in, you'll see a column which says my profile |
| 10:22.22 | aghisla | faryshta: the link for profile is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/google/gsoc2012 |
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| 10:23.35 | faryshta | "This page is inaccessible because you do not have a profile in the program at this time." mmm but I am logged in with my gmail account. |
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| 10:27.25 | aghisla | faryshta: then you have to create it. Apply as mentor or student, according to your intention, and you will be asked to create a profile. |
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| 10:34.10 | faryshta | aghisla, I found my mistake. When creating my profile it appeared an error message saying that I was registered so I assumed I had a profile which had to be created separately. |
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| 10:37.09 | sharvey | callumacrae: ? |
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| 10:48.43 | tuhinat | Although it is pretty late now, I don't understand how to talk to the mentors directly. |
| 10:49.06 | sharvey | tuhinat: I just joined relevant IRC channels and asked about the projects |
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| 10:49.20 | sharvey | alternatively, e-mailing is probably useful |
| 10:50.25 | tuhinat | ok, another weird question, how do I find the relevant IRC channels here? |
| 10:50.58 | sharvey | uh, I don't know about here; I looked on the contact websites for potentially interesting mentors |
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| 10:51.26 | dmp | It's weird when I log in into google-melange I can't see My profile and My Dashboard options in menu |
| 10:51.41 | sharvey | dmp: did you create your profile? |
| 10:51.47 | Al_Da_Best | If you do /list you'll get a list of every channel on the networks. At least on mIRC :P Best bet would be to try /join #orgname and see if that exists |
| 10:52.00 | dmp | sharvey: I have last years one |
| 10:52.06 | sharvey | freenode has a lot of channels though, so it might be an overwhelming list |
| 10:52.11 | sharvey | dmp: you probably have to recreate? |
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| 10:52.21 | sharvey | there's a button on the front page for students to create a profile |
| 10:52.29 | Al_Da_Best | It sure is |
| 10:52.33 | dmp | ok, thanks |
| 10:52.37 | dmp | I'll try |
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| 10:53.25 | dmp | Great It copies all the form data :) |
| 10:53.30 | sharvey | yup |
| 10:53.57 | tuhinat | ok, I'll try that right now, thank you very much sharvey |
| 10:54.21 | sharvey | no problem |
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| 11:01.50 | kurbel | is it possible to use a gsoc-project for a thesis? |
| 11:01.58 | Al_Da_Best | !faq |
| 11:01.58 | gsocbot | Al_Da_Best: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
| 11:02.06 | Al_Da_Best | Somewhere on that, it says yes |
| 11:02.32 | sharvey | this is of sudden interest to me |
| 11:02.54 | kurbel | hmm so i should probably read that again |
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| 11:03.34 | Al_Da_Best | It's on there somewhere I think, to do with using it for educational things |
| 11:03.46 | sharvey | I'm not sure of thesis qualifies as educational |
| 11:03.58 | sharvey | this might be more of a copyright-type issue? |
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| 11:04.17 | Al_Da_Best | Possibly. Might need to talk with the org and Carol |
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| 11:04.55 | kurbel | i remember reading about this somewhere |
| 11:05.03 | kurbel | but can't remeber where |
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| 11:05.35 | Al_Da_Best | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#course_credit That's where it says about Uni credit. Doesn't mention thesis |
| 11:06.10 | sharvey | kurbel: if you find information about this, could you be sure to share the relevant links, docs, etc.? |
| 11:07.03 | kblin | kurbel: that really depends on your thesis advisor |
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| 11:09.04 | devi | there is no option in my account to apply for |
| 11:09.09 | devi | project |
| 11:09.48 | kurbel | kblin: so it is completely independent from the project itself? |
| 11:10.25 | |Kev| | kurbel: If they copyright terms are suitable, I don't see why this would be a problem. |
| 11:11.21 | devi | i mean there is no apply button in my account |
| 11:11.37 | devi | of google-melange |
| 11:11.40 | devi | i have applied for a mentor |
| 11:11.44 | devi | before |
| 11:11.48 | |Kev| | You can't be a mentor and a student. |
| 11:11.49 | kblin | |Kev|: glad that where I live, I do own my own thesis |
| 11:12.21 | |Kev| | kblin: I had sponsorship, which changes things a little. |
| 11:12.43 | |Kev| | So there's a patent on some of my stuff (now owned by Google, via acquisition, I guess). |
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| 11:12.57 | kblin | I actually did my undergrad thesis about the stuff I did in gsoc 2005 |
| 11:13.03 | kblin | ew |
| 11:13.04 | devi | i m rejected for mentor |
| 11:13.18 | devi | cant i apply for student |
| 11:13.22 | kblin | devi: right, but you're still in the sustem as a mentor account |
| 11:13.33 | kblin | devi: talk to the #melange folks about getting out of that |
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| 11:28.32 | devi | they are not responding |
| 11:28.48 | gevaerts | IRC does not stand for Instant Reply Chat |
| 11:29.20 | chino9 | Hello, can someone tell me if I can apply as an student if my university in Mexico is not listed on the "Accredited Universities" |
| 11:30.01 | _dr | welcome to the internet delay chat :) |
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| 11:30.23 | gevaerts | chino9: if you mean it's not in the list of universities known by melange, don't worry about that |
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| 11:31.00 | gevaerts | chino9: see http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#accredited |
| 11:31.24 | arg3tlam | Hey, is the lack of a blog a major deterrent? |
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| 11:31.52 | |Kev| | arg3tlam: Blogs are easy to create. |
| 11:31.54 | gevaerts | arg3tlam: no, although some organisations may ask to set up one for progress reports |
| 11:32.06 | gevaerts | *set one up |
| 11:32.11 | arg3tlam | 'cos I'm yet to start maintaining a tech blog logging whatever I'm experimenting with |
| 11:32.28 | arg3tlam | So, seeing the student form, it was a relief seeing that it wasn't * marked |
| 11:32.36 | arg3tlam | Still, was wondering if that put me at a major disadvantage |
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| 11:33.41 | gevaerts | I can't say I've ever heard anyone say it was even relevant |
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| 11:35.29 | gevaerts | Of course if you do have a blog, and you post relevant things on it, pointing to it can be one way to show e.g. prior involvement in open source. It won't ever be the only way though, and the *way* you show things like that isn't really important at all. |
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| 11:39.30 | chino9 | The problem is that it is not on this list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_education_accreditation, does it matter? |
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| 11:42.18 | cpolymeris | chino9: I am no expert, but I guess what counts if it is accredited by the mexicans |
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| 12:45.33 | pokoko222 | I dont know anything about doxygen documenting |
| 12:45.38 | pokoko222 | can I learn it in few hours? |
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| 12:46.15 | Justin_ | Hello! |
| 12:46.53 | gevaerts | pokoko222: you can learn the essentials in five minutes |
| 12:47.18 | pokoko222 | gevaerts: some links you can recommend to read? |
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| 12:48.40 | gevaerts | http://www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen/docblocks.html maybe? |
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| 12:49.08 | gevaerts | For the exact style to use, see other files in the software you're working on |
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| 12:49.21 | pokoko222 | is it worth it spend some hours playing with it? |
| 12:49.28 | pokoko222 | it would give my code more serious look |
| 12:49.46 | gevaerts | Does the rest of the code use doxygen? |
| 12:49.53 | Justin_ | I was wondering, what would be the best organization to apply to based on my particular skillset? I am a CIS student, and I know java, android, a little c, shellscripting, and a few other languages. Java and android is where I have a majority of my coding experience (~3 years) |
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| 12:50.00 | pokoko222 | gevaerts: eh no |
| 12:50.07 | pokoko222 | basic c++ comments only |
| 12:50.18 | gevaerts | pokoko222: in that case, I wouldn't bother |
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| 12:50.50 | pokoko222 | gevaerts: if it has comments at all, it has it in the headers only |
| 12:50.55 | pokoko222 | otherwise it is mostly not commented |
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| 12:51.17 | gevaerts | Justin_: filter on tags on the organisation list, and then go from there |
| 12:52.33 | gevaerts | Justin_: for completeness, also look at the organisations that didn't provide tags |
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| 12:58.03 | Justin_ | So, we're supposed to come up with an idea for an open source project, correct? |
| 12:58.48 | gevaerts | Justin_: you can come up with an idea, but you can also use one of the ideas provided by the organisations |
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| 12:59.29 | Justin_ | Gotcha. I just want to say that I think google is awesome for supporting a project like this. |
| 12:59.35 | Justin_ | Open source is the way to go. |
| 12:59.45 | gevaerts | Have you read the FAQ and the student guide? |
| 13:00.02 | Justin_ | I have read the FAQ, I haven't read all of the student guide. |
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| 13:17.07 | Zor | is it by design that a person who is registered as a mentor cannot submit applications as a student? |
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| 13:17.31 | MatthewWilkes | zor: yes |
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| 13:18.57 | Zor | why is that? |
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| 13:19.21 | Zor | it seems very logical that if a mentor decides that there are no projects he wants to mentor, he can apply as a student instead |
| 13:19.45 | MatthewWilkes | Zor: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#mentor_student |
| 13:19.55 | MatthewWilkes | Zor: Were you aware there's a FAQ document? |
| 13:20.17 | MatthewWilkes | I only ask as so many people seem to have not read it, was wondering if maybe the link isn't showing for everyone |
| 13:20.35 | Zor | MatthewWilkes: that's not quite the thing I'm asking though |
| 13:21.01 | Zor | I know a person cannot be a student and mentor, effectively, at the same time |
| 13:21.22 | aghisla | I think that the person should decide whether being student or mentor prior registration. |
| 13:21.24 | MatthewWilkes | and you should "plan accordingly" as to which one you want to be in a given year |
| 13:22.07 | MatthewWilkes | Zor: If you've made a mistake and want to withdraw as a mentor you can contact the melange mailing list and they will remove you |
| 13:23.08 | gevaerts | Zor: Allowing to register as a mentor first would also allow looking at the other proposals first and then writing your own , i.e. cheating |
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| 13:25.37 | tomprince | !logs |
| 13:25.37 | gsocbot | tomprince: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 13:27.25 | Justin_ | Is there anyone from the MIT mobile learning lab online in this chat? |
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| 13:29.07 | tomprince | !anyone | Justin_ |
| 13:29.08 | gsocbot | Justin_: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 13:30.07 | Justin_ | thanks :) |
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| 13:34.33 | _hsr | *insomnia |
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| 13:43.12 | dadkins | !faq |
| 13:43.14 | gsocbot | dadkins: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
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| 13:47.24 | codepython7771 | Does it help to name mentors for GSoC? |
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| 13:48.18 | gevaerts | codepython7771: does it help what to name them where? |
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| 13:48.56 | tomprince | I'm guessing for org applications. |
| 13:49.53 | codepython7771 | tomprince: thanks. (I meant when a student applies for a project) |
| 13:50.37 | JordiGH | codepython7771: If you've already talked to them, sure. |
| 13:51.01 | JordiGH | codepython7771: It would be a little a surprising if you mention a mentor and you haven't already previously agreed to work with her. |
| 13:51.29 | tomprince | It has to be a mentor for the org, since orgs typically wont take projects with random other mentors. |
| 13:51.37 | JordiGH | Oh, that too. |
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| 13:54.20 | tomprince | It is also probably more of an issue in large organizations, with lots of mentors. In a small org, if you've talked to them, everybody involed likely knows who you are. |
| 13:55.22 | tjerman | Hi, What happens if a student applies for two projects in different organizations and is selected for both of them? Does he choose the project on which he will work on in the end? |
| 13:55.36 | gevaerts | tjerman: it depends |
| 13:56.03 | gevaerts | In many cases the student gets to choose, but the organisations don't have to ask, they can also agree between themselves |
| 13:56.40 | gevaerts | The latter can e.g. happen if one of the organisations doesn't have good proposals to replace the lost one while the other does |
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| 13:59.05 | tjerman | so the organisations know that a student applied for more then one project? |
| 13:59.37 | gevaerts | They will get told about duplicates near the end of the selection period |
| 13:59.39 | MatthewWilkes | tjerman: The student should voice a preference, you can do this by telling the org you prefer "By the way, I also applied for x, y, z elsewhere. If you should happen to select my project and there is a conflict with another org my preference is to work with you on this" |
| 13:59.53 | gevaerts | In general it's good form to say you applied elsewhere too |
| 14:00.02 | MatthewWilkes | tjerman: But, for the record, the student's preference won't necessarily be listened to, you could end up with either |
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| 14:01.32 | tjerman | thank you for your answers |
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| 14:02.26 | _hsr | so, how many students in total are you guys expecting this year ? |
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| 14:03.49 | dreimark | !timeline |
| 14:03.49 | gsocbot | dreimark: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012 |
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| 14:09.58 | downey | Can students still submit multiple proposals per organization? |
| 14:10.33 | JordiGH | Yes, but quality, not quantity, is what's gonna get you selected. |
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| 14:17.07 | downey | JordiGH: Yes, agreed. But I wanted to make sure I instructed correctly a student who's torn between 2 project ideas. :) |
| 14:17.56 | JordiGH | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#more_than_one |
| 14:18.22 | tomprince | !numstats | _hsr |
| 14:18.22 | gsocbot | _hsr: "numstats" is There are 12 statistics in !numapps. |
| 14:18.28 | tomprince | !numapps | _hsr |
| 14:18.28 | gsocbot | _hsr: "numapps" is 180 of 406 potential mentoring orgs were accepted in 2012. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 potential students submitted 5474 proposals, of which 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 14:19.33 | _hsr | woah |
| 14:21.07 | tomprince | That is a bit misleading, in terms of student proposals, since many of them are essentialy spam. |
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| 14:22.37 | Lennie | tomprince, iirc we don't count those if they are marked as such by the org |
| 14:22.44 | an1 | Hey |
| 14:22.44 | an1 | I will be finishing my undergrad studies by May 2012(in India), and |
| 14:22.44 | an1 | have plans of pursuing graduate studies in the USA (on a study visa). |
| 14:22.44 | an1 | The term in USA probably starts by July end/August. |
| 14:22.44 | an1 | I know that I need to get work permit before I start working in the |
| 14:22.46 | an1 | USA, but I want to know if anyone has experienced this before, and if |
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| 14:22.48 | an1 | there are any legal requirements to be met after moving to the USA. |
| 14:23.26 | Lennie | an1, ask your local consulate? |
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| 14:27.15 | an1 | Lennie: I could, but just wanted to know if anyone here has experienced this before. Cause if I go to USA for graduate studies, it would probably be during the first/second week of August. So most of my work would be done by the time I leave |
| 14:28.28 | Lennie | Are you talking about a J-1? |
| 14:28.53 | Lennie | Or is it F-1? |
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| 14:29.22 | an1 | Lennie: F1 visa |
| 14:29.37 | Lennie | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F_visa#Employment |
| 14:29.44 | Lennie | For as far as you'd trust wikipedia :) |
| 14:30.18 | Lennie | So only on-campus or as an intern in a US company |
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| 14:31.25 | nemo | Soooo. I was reading: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/studentallocations which someone just linked to in our IRC channel |
| 14:31.28 | nemo | and I saw |
| 14:31.36 | nemo | well. point (2) actually |
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| 14:32.26 | nemo | well, we got 2 slots as noobs last year (despite like 50 applications). 1 of the 2 told us the *day after* the slot awards that he was starting a new high pressure job. |
| 14:32.52 | nemo | and then he vanished and we never were able to contact him again. we were a little miffed given it was almost a coin toss between him and 2 other excellent applications |
| 14:33.15 | nemo | Anyway, so point (1) is successful track record. Not sure if 1 out of 2 counts |
| 14:33.46 | nemo | but point (2)... the 2nd student kept working on it all the way up until now and is offering to be a mentor this year. that counts right? :) |
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| 14:33.53 | nemo | I'm just curious how gsoc learns of this |
| 14:34.07 | kblin | nemo: well, that's the usual thing that happens to everybody, I'm sure carol, chris and whoever else is doing slot allocations won't hold that against you |
| 14:34.15 | an1 | Lennie: Thank you! |
| 14:34.40 | kblin | nemo: and you mentioned that your student from last year is now available as a mentor for this year, right? |
| 14:34.52 | nemo | yep |
| 14:35.03 | nemo | kblin: that shows up in the statistics? :) |
| 14:35.25 | nemo | kinda curious about (4) too - I've been burning a lot of time answering same questions over and over past few weeks on IRC - but how does GSoC tally that? |
| 14:35.27 | kblin | I'd guess so. I've never been involved on that side of gsoc |
| 14:36.02 | kblin | I think they're talking about #gsoc |
| 14:36.06 | nemo | ohhh |
| 14:36.12 | nemo | I thought they meant *our* IRC channel :-p |
| 14:36.20 | kblin | and the way carols notices that is that when she joins, you're there helping students |
| 14:36.23 | nemo | ah. |
| 14:36.33 | nemo | well. all the students come to ours since it is, well, linked off our website :) |
| 14:36.37 | nemo | oh well... |
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| 14:36.52 | kblin | well, your project's channel doesn't really count, does it? that's mainly helping you get some good applicants :) |
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| 14:37.20 | nemo | kblin: huh. that's how I read (4)... that we are trying to help students succeed |
| 14:37.21 | buffyg | I don't know that I agree with the popularity metric as a basis for student allocation. |
| 14:37.21 | nemo | shrugs |
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| 14:37.47 | kblin | well, you have to have some metric |
| 14:38.04 | wzssyqa | can I apply if I will graduate in early of July? |
| 14:38.13 | nemo | kblin: true. I was just curious how they were able to measure (2) and (4) |
| 14:38.15 | buffyg | We've seen quite a bit of students whose interest is at the level of a mail saying "I'm interested". If the interest really is in developing long-term contributors, the focus should be on students who show a bit more commitment. |
| 14:38.18 | kblin | !faq | wzssyqa |
| 14:38.18 | gsocbot | wzssyqa: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
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| 14:38.50 | kTwitch | what kind of commitment exactly ? |
| 14:39.00 | kblin | buffyg: er, the doc is talking about non-spam student applications to the org |
| 14:39.17 | buffyg | How's that filtered? |
| 14:39.35 | kblin | well, you get to mark all spam applications as spam |
| 14:39.47 | amanforindia | !numstats |
| 14:39.48 | gsocbot | amanforindia: "numstats" is There are 12 statistics in !numapps. |
| 14:40.05 | amanforindia | !numapps |
| 14:40.05 | gsocbot | amanforindia: "numapps" is 180 of 406 potential mentoring orgs were accepted in 2012. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 potential students submitted 5474 proposals, of which 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 14:40.09 | buffyg | Doesn't that provide perverse incentives not to mark apps as spam? |
| 14:40.40 | kblin | you're not trying to game the system by pretending "Ohai... I know PHP, can I haz slot?!" is a valid application, are you? |
| 14:41.06 | kblin | no, because I honestly don't think that'll help you in the long run |
| 14:41.27 | buffyg | No, quite the opposite. The point is that you get more popularity if you don't mark apps as spam or don't invest in students who come in showing little legwork. |
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| 14:41.29 | kblin | if you have 5 good applications, what on earth would you gain by asking for 10 slots |
| 14:41.58 | buffyg | But the popularity metric still works for you if you encourage the 10 apps, even if half are weak. |
| 14:42.02 | desti | 5 slots? |
| 14:42.30 | kblin | desti: which you'd fill by underperforming students? |
| 14:42.33 | buffyg | You're more likely to get the five slots if you encourage ten applicants and say you want five, according to the description given. |
| 14:43.05 | kblin | buffyg: in the past years, I didn't really have any problems getting the slots I needed |
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| 14:43.36 | kblin | I think that applies to most orgs, shy of maybe a slot here or there |
| 14:43.50 | kblin | and possibly new orgs that are capped to 2 slots |
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| 14:44.15 | buffyg | That may be, but what I'm saying is that the allocation scheme baseline seems to beg adjustment. |
| 14:44.26 | kblin | shrugs |
| 14:44.40 | kblin | that's just a webpage explaining some of the metrics they apply |
| 14:44.53 | kblin | I'm willing to bet they don't follow this fanatically |
| 14:45.59 | buffyg | We're a second-year org, trying to make some adjustments to grow our program, and I'm kind of surprised by the top-level metric. It seems easier to scrutinize that baseline by focusing on student quality within the awesome project bracket. |
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| 14:46.23 | pokoko222 | where do I send code for which I want comments and am not ready to pull request for yet? |
| 14:46.28 | pokoko222 | mailing list? |
| 14:46.29 | nemo | kblin: the new orgs thing makes sense I guess, although it was sad to turn away so many enthusaistic people. I'd say out of the 50 applicants, probably half a dozen seemed really good |
| 14:46.49 | kblin | we've had this discussion at mentor summits, where orgs felt that they were cutting into their own flesh by trying to pre-screen students |
| 14:46.50 | pokoko222 | or I just make a pull request, and as I get comments I change the code there in the pull request ... on github |
| 14:46.56 | nemo | kblin: admittedly, some of that half-dozen was overlap, but still, 4 instead of 2 would have been nice |
| 14:47.05 | pokoko222 | kblin: what do you mean |
| 14:47.07 | buffyg | My experience is that new orgs tend to end up happier for not having taken on the number of slots they thought they could take. |
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| 14:47.38 | nemo | buffyg: well. it ended up being 1 as noted due to naughty student. so we ended up w/ 1 student w/ about 4 mentors :) |
| 14:47.40 | buffyg | I was at the first-year org session at last year's summit, and I don't think anyone said they'd have been better off with more slots. |
| 14:47.44 | kblin | pokoko222: you've stumbled right into an ongoing conversation, sorry that the world doesn't revolve around you. |
| 14:47.56 | nemo | buffyg: hm. koda didn't say that? 'cause he should have |
| 14:47.59 | nemo | he said he went to that one |
| 14:48.09 | kblin | pokoko222: to answer your question, you probably need to talk to the people you want to send your pull request to |
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| 14:48.25 | _hsr | pokoko222, if your org has a dev forum, put an RFC there, which would be the best way imo |
| 14:48.35 | buffyg | There was definitely some frustration expressed about the scenario you described, but you can't really compensate for that with slot allocation. |
| 14:48.40 | pokoko222 | _hsr: just mailing list not even irc |
| 14:48.56 | nemo | buffyg: well. if we'd had 1 or 2 more slots, it would have hurt a bit less :-p |
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| 14:49.20 | _hsr | in that case, start a new thread with [RFC] as the tag, see how it works |
| 14:49.46 | kblin | nemo: right, but as a returning org, i'd expect that if you have 50 applications and ask for 5-6 slots, you're likely to get those |
| 14:49.51 | buffyg | Sure, but at 4:2, you're on the money for ratios. If you're at 4:3 or 4:4 and you don't have any drop-outs, you might under-mentor your entire class. |
| 14:50.15 | buffyg | There's a risk either side of that problem. |
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| 14:52.19 | nemo | buffyg: well. 4 dedicated. there's a couple of spares that could be called on |
| 14:52.52 | nemo | that I know of anyway. I'm not the one organising it this time around, fortunately. |
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| 14:53.01 | nemo | (or ever - not very organised personally) |
| 14:53.16 | nemo | anyway. whatev. was just curious how (2) and (4) were calculated. |
| 14:53.21 | kblin | I wouldn't fret about that document, in any case |
| 14:53.39 | kblin | !slots |
| 14:53.39 | gsocbot | kblin: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
| 14:54.04 | nemo | hrm. actually. 5 dedicated. my bad. |
| 14:54.35 | kblin | nemo: I think what gsocbot said is pretty much true in a nutshell |
| 14:54.48 | buffyg | kblin: Fair enough. Just seeing if we're trying to make adjustments that go too much against the grain. |
| 14:54.53 | nemo | Tiy's all happy running his new video game company (http://playstarbound.com ) so I doubt he's going to jump all into this again :) |
| 14:55.18 | nemo | I think after Terraria he's decided FOSS doesn't pay enough ;) |
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| 14:57.22 | kblin | buffyg: basically the best that can happen to you is that you get a low number of slots, mentor those few students really well and turn all of them into contributors that stick around with the project |
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| 14:58.02 | kblin | of course low is tricky to define here, because you need some redundancy :) |
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| 14:59.11 | |Kev| | For what it's worth, we've prefiltered student applications, end up with a few high-quality applications (and some spam), and then typically get ~=the slots we want. |
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| 14:59.26 | |Kev| | So it doesn't feel that, for us, we're hurting ourselves by not trying to game the system. |
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| 14:59.32 | nemo | kblin: the worst thing about the dropout is he had to know he had a very good chance of getting accepted for that job. he could have told us 1 day *before* slot allocation instead of 1 day *after* :( |
| 14:59.56 | |Kev| | nemo: Happens to everyone at some time or another. |
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| 15:01.17 | kblin | nemo: two years ago I've had a student who got another job in mid-gsoc, after a lot of hand-holding to get started from my side |
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| 15:01.30 | nemo | ouch |
| 15:01.32 | nemo | that's even worse |
| 15:01.38 | nemo | at least we didn't burn half a summer |
| 15:01.41 | kblin | so you never can tell earlier |
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| 15:04.12 | buffyg | We had a hairier case last year: student who went all the way to the last two weeks, split to take a job, went off the grid. |
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| 15:05.32 | buffyg | |Kev|: Thanks, your experience is reassuring. |
| 15:06.14 | tomprince | Did you at least have the code from earlier, I'd hope. |
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| 15:07.26 | buffyg | tomprince: We were under the mistaken impression he had made a code drop and passed him. It looked very different in retrospect than when we were trying to be sympathetic at the time. |
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| 15:08.16 | MatthewWilkes | buffyg: :( |
| 15:08.46 | tomprince | :( That sounds like a good argument for requiring work to be publicly hosted from the begining. |
| 15:08.51 | buffyg | So it goes. We learned a lot from the mentoring summit about how to avoid those problems. |
| 15:09.06 | kblin | we're doing that |
| 15:09.22 | kblin | we're not reviewing code that isn't in a public repo |
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| 15:09.27 | buffyg | tomprince: That's on a list of things we're doing differently this year. I've been meaning to write a list of things I heard from the first-year org session to pass along to the new orgs. |
| 15:09.33 | kblin | and we require a commit to that repo at least once a week |
| 15:09.44 | kblin | and encourage more frequent commits |
| 15:09.56 | |Kev| | tomprince: We do require that (project, not umbrella) - we give commit access to a contribs repo as teh first thing. |
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| 15:10.10 | buffyg | kblin: That's pretty much what we're doing: daily status reports, weekly WIP updates, everything on primary community channels. |
| 15:10.43 | kblin | buffyg: ok, I leave the decision to do daily status reports to the mentors |
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| 15:11.06 | |Kev| | We don't go quite that far. We expect the mentors and students to chat most days - ideally in MUC, else in private. Then we expect blog posts every week, and a meeting across the umbrella of all students to check everything's ok at the admin level. |
| 15:11.08 | nemo | kblin: isn't hard to checkup daily in IRC :) |
| 15:12.15 | kblin | nemo: depends on timezones of people involved |
| 15:12.25 | buffyg | ASF recommended daily, and we thought we'd try that. One problem we hadn't anticipated was time zone difference between mentors and students. Students had questions on a regular basis, some of which became blockers, and weekly checkin proved pretty insufficient. To be fair, some of that was not putting them in the regular channels. |
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| 15:13.17 | kblin | well, nobody would _limit_ the students to one question per week |
| 15:13.25 | buffyg | We get pretty good coverage on our main channels, as we have people in Russia, Western Europe, and both North American coasts. |
| 15:13.51 | |Kev| | kblin: We hand out 12 'question' tokens at the start. Students can use one per week if they want, or save them all for the end. ;) |
| 15:14.33 | buffyg | No, but the students either saved the questions up or tended to use minimally covered IRC channels to ask questions, and they didn't adapt well when it wasn't working well, even when encouraged. A lot of that was the premise of not having them engage as regular contributors. |
| 15:14.34 | kblin | ok, make that s/nobody/nobody sane/ |
| 15:14.38 | kblin | :) |
| 15:14.39 | |Kev| | :D |
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| 15:15.00 | |Kev| | [I should make it clear I'm joking in case anyone *really* clueless reads that and takes it seriously] |
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| 15:15.40 | buffyg | ASF had the simple point that a student who's reporting status on a weekly basis could easily be off the grid two weeks before a red flag is raised, at which point the student is at high risk of failing. |
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| 15:16.07 | kblin | ahrg |
| 15:16.23 | kblin | 27-Mar-2012 17:11:08.258 the key 'test' is too short to be secure |
| 15:16.37 | |Kev| | buffyg: I would expect ~=daily contact with the mentor. Whether that's formally "You must report once a day in IRC" or just a chat in a PM with the mentor. |
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| 15:16.40 | kblin | so how long is a 'secure' key? |
| 15:16.48 | |Kev| | kblin: "0" * 24 |
| 15:16.50 | buffyg | A few times a week seems the reasonable minimum. Daily may be too much, but one thing I heard a lot of first-year orgs acknowledge was not pushing students hard enough on structure. |
| 15:17.08 | kblin | I don't care how many 'A's I put into that base64 string |
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| 15:19.35 | buffyg | A big part of what I'm seeing in this year's applicants is that an apparent development area for undegrads is learning how to structure development projects and use prior analysis to establish a reasonable grasp at the outset. |
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| 15:23.03 | buffyg | Are other projects seeing something similar? I expect that's meant to be a major area of progress students should see from the program. |
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| 15:42.09 | gsocbot | ofan_: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 15:42.21 | qballer1 | thanks |
| 15:42.31 | ofan_ | np |
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| 15:45.08 | nemo | kblin: ehm. I guess. although we were in different timezones and still managed. of course. sometimes there was quite a bit of lag :) |
| 15:45.13 | nemo | kblin: irssi + screen FTW! |
| 15:45.29 | nemo | admittedly that basically turns IRC into e-mail ;) |
| 15:45.45 | Uzix | also irc bouncers nice |
| 15:46.18 | kblin | nemo: you mean there's another way to use IRC? |
| 15:46.22 | nemo | hehe |
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| 16:25.58 | devi | can we apply more than one project for a particular organisation |
| 16:26.00 | devi | ? |
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| 16:26.43 | |Kev| | devi: Yes. |
| 16:26.49 | SukhE | devi: Ask the org, it's up to them. |
| 16:27.41 | devi | ok |
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| 16:28.10 | |Kev| | It's technically not up to the org whether you can apply, it's up to the org what they do with the application. |
| 16:28.13 | |Kev| | But yes. |
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| 16:35.37 | nemo | So. I was wondering. Are students allow to submit 2 proposals? |
| 16:35.54 | |Kev| | Students are encouraged to read the FAQ |
| 16:36.00 | nemo | I'm not a student :-p |
| 16:36.09 | nemo | I was just curious. but fine, I guess I could read the entire student FAQ |
| 16:36.21 | nemo | sighs and hunts for it |
| 16:36.26 | |Kev| | !faq | nemo |
| 16:36.26 | gsocbot | nemo: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs |
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| 16:37.46 | nemo | |Kev|: hm. flipped through FAQ searching for "proposal" and didn't see anything about limits on submitting multiple proposals |
| 16:37.52 | nemo | |Kev|: there's a limit of 1 project of course |
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| 16:38.20 | nemo | |Kev|: but I was basically wondering if a student could write up a proposal to do project A and B - and we could pick either one in the decision phase |
| 16:38.27 | |Kev| | 20 is the limit, from memory. |
| 16:38.38 | |Kev| | And yes, multiple for the same org is also fine. |
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| 16:38.59 | nemo | |Kev|: ok. 20 isn't mentioned anywhere in the FAQ |
| 16:39.03 | nemo | all hits were for 2012 etc |
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| 16:39.20 | JordiGH | nemo: Didn't I find that for you? |
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| 16:39.31 | JordiGH | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#more_than_one |
| 16:39.36 | SukhE | nemo: "twenty" |
| 16:39.36 | JordiGH | I did it for downey, I guess, sorry. |
| 16:39.39 | nemo | JordiGH: nope :) |
| 16:39.44 | nemo | SukhE: doh |
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| 16:40.02 | nemo | ohhh. "application" not "proposal" |
| 16:40.03 | nemo | ah well |
| 16:40.19 | |Kev| | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#more_than_one |
| 16:40.27 | |Kev| | Sorry JordiGH, you were (much) faster. |
| 16:40.28 | nemo | yep. JordiGH linked to it |
| 16:40.30 | nemo | heh |
| 16:40.36 | JordiGH | blows smoke off fingers. |
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| 16:46.39 | devi | now what is in gsoc can we make 2 applications for a particular organisation |
| 16:47.27 | JordiGH | Syntax error near "is in gsoc can". Expected punctuation or sentence-separator. |
| 16:47.37 | nemo | :) |
| 16:47.48 | JordiGH | But does this help? http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#more_than_one |
| 16:47.49 | |Kev| | devi: You asked that only a moment ago, and got answers. |
| 16:48.00 | nemo | |Kev|: I think devi read that |
| 16:48.07 | nemo | and is now wondering how to add more applications in the interface |
| 16:48.22 | nemo | (just a guess) |
| 16:49.06 | |Kev| | Sounds plausible, I guess. |
| 16:49.35 | devi | in the link there is answer of all organisations |
| 16:49.48 | devi | but i am asking for a particular organisation |
| 16:50.07 | Al_Da_Best | Yes you can |
| 16:50.10 | JordiGH | devi: Yes, same org is fine. |
| 16:50.21 | JordiGH | It would have to be, especially for umbrellas. |
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| 16:50.34 | |Kev| | nemo: Or not. |
| 16:50.54 | JordiGH | nemo: Your malformed input heuristics possibly need improvement. |
| 16:50.59 | LetterRip | hi all - since slashdot hasn't done a story yet to mention this years gsoc - you might want to vote up my submission - http://slashdot.org/recent |
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| 16:51.13 | JordiGH | Aren't all the cool kids on Reddit nowadays? |
| 16:51.28 | summatusmentis | srsly, does anyone read slashdot? |
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| 16:51.36 | summatusmentis | I mean, you know, it's still in my rss feeds, but |
| 16:51.50 | JordiGH | I still read it. |
| 16:51.55 | sree_ | hi , does the "mentors: apply now!" web page is working for someone? |
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| 16:52.24 | JordiGH | sree_: Yeah, wfm. |
| 16:52.28 | JordiGH | Works for me. |
| 16:52.29 | weltall | it was before |
| 16:53.04 | weltall | works still at least the request form for the projects |
| 16:53.11 | sree_ | JordiGH, hm not for me,,,hanging... |
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| 16:55.20 | nemo | JordiGH: damn |
| 16:55.50 | maheshakya | hey |
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| 17:00.45 | prabal | can someone submit multiple proposals? |
| 17:01.14 | MatthewWilkes | prabal: yes |
| 17:01.25 | |Kev| | !learn multiple as http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#more_than_one |
| 17:01.26 | gsocbot | |Kev|: "multiple" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#more_than_one |
| 17:01.32 | |Kev| | !multiple | prabal |
| 17:01.32 | gsocbot | prabal: "multiple" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#more_than_one |
| 17:01.44 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: Beat me to it |
| 17:01.53 | MatthewWilkes | FAQ was loading |
| 17:02.36 | prabal | thanks a lot |
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| 17:03.48 | isaacbw | :O |
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| 17:24.46 | GenX | !next |
| 17:24.47 | gsocbot | GenX: "next" is Apr 6 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
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| 18:02.11 | jazzycrazzy | i want to work on dialog improvements project of abiword |
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| 18:09.18 | PraZuBeR | i'm still confused - public name must be a real name, or a nickname? |
| 18:09.38 | gevaerts | PraZuBeR: I'm not entirely sure, but I think that's up to you |
| 18:11.15 | PraZuBeR | gevaerts: thanks |
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| 18:15.00 | jazzycrazzy | is anyone working on abiword ? |
| 18:16.11 | blast007 | jazzycrazzy: you should contact the organziation directly |
| 18:16.17 | JordiGH | blast007: Too slow! |
| 18:16.19 | blast007 | bleh |
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| 18:17.12 | maheshakya | who's with Battle For Wesnoth? |
| 18:17.44 | blast007 | maheshakya: check their org page and contact them via those methods |
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| 18:18.04 | JordiGH | Ivanovic: Customers for you. :-) |
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| 18:18.53 | JordiGH | maheshakya: Go ask in #wesnoth, I guess Ivanovic is currently IRL. |
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| 18:19.27 | Ivanovic | yes, i am |
| 18:19.32 | Ivanovic | and the cha in #wesnoth-dev |
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| 18:23.39 | PraZuBeR | School Home Page URL - my university home page or my faculty home page? |
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| 18:34.21 | klocatelli | PraZuBeR, it says school home page so I assume the university... |
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| 18:41.25 | Melierax | I am one here? |
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| 18:47.18 | ChadWindnagle | @Melierax nope other folks are here to! |
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| 18:48.27 | chitz | Had a doubt. Are applications sent organization specific or project specific? Can I apply for multiple projects of the same organization? |
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| 18:49.22 | gevaerts | chitz: you propose specific projects. You can propose as many as you want (well, up to 20), to as many organisations as you want, with as many per organisation as you want |
| 18:49.49 | chitz | gevaerts: Thanks. |
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| 18:53.02 | chitz | Also, is it appropriate to contact to multiple mentors of the same organization on their mailing list? |
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| 18:53.46 | ChadWindnagle | Yes aboslutely |
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| 18:53.55 | ChadWindnagle | in fact doing so probably increases your chances of being selected |
| 18:54.06 | ChadWindnagle | it shows the org you're engaged, interested in the project |
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| 18:54.39 | Applify | Hi, the org im applying to has asked for a detailed descritption of the app...this has made my proposal quite huge. Is that bad, not suggested? |
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| 18:55.01 | ChadWindnagle | @Applify nothing wrong with that at all |
| 18:55.08 | ChadWindnagle | be sure you ask for feedback from them after you've submitted it |
| 18:55.17 | ChadWindnagle | in my org we gave basic ideas |
| 18:55.40 | Applify | Ive included all techincal nitty gritties as well |
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| 18:55.46 | ChadWindnagle | and we want students to take some interested and imagination to their task and show us what their thinking |
| 18:55.53 | ChadWindnagle | Hmm |
| 18:56.09 | ChadWindnagle | not sure if the details are *that* necessary, but I don't think it can hurt |
| 18:56.13 | Applify | well not all, but enought o show i know what im talking abt |
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| 18:56.22 | ChadWindnagle | it can only hurt if the details are very-very wrong |
| 18:56.30 | ChadWindnagle | if they're spot on, then it'll look impressive |
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| 18:56.50 | Applify | i see. I was wondering if it might make the whole thing quite boring |
| 18:56.51 | qballer1 | details like design details |
| 18:56.53 | qballer1 | ? |
| 18:56.54 | Applify | and daunting to read.. |
| 18:57.00 | Applify | no like functionality |
| 18:57.19 | ChadWindnagle | Most likely the org will actually very much appreciate the thought and effort you put in no matter what |
| 18:57.27 | ChadWindnagle | even if it's not exact or precise |
| 18:57.31 | ChadWindnagle | it shows you're thinking |
| 18:57.42 | Applify | oh great. I was thinking of chucking that part out... |
| 18:58.04 | ChadWindnagle | It sounds like you've put a lot of thought into your work |
| 18:58.21 | ChadWindnagle | So that's really good, it will go a long way in the ranking process |
| 18:58.24 | Applify | Yeah, Im quite scared of the amount of competition here... |
| 18:58.51 | qballer1 | Not wining is not a reason not to compete |
| 18:58.53 | qballer1 | :D |
| 18:59.08 | qballer1 | Applify, I feel the same |
| 18:59.13 | Applify | :) Its my first time...a bit overwhelmed i guess |
| 18:59.19 | qballer1 | For me too |
| 18:59.21 | tzbob | same here Applify |
| 18:59.26 | tzbob | haha the three of us |
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| 18:59.31 | ChadWindnagle | it's my first time /adminning/ an org! |
| 18:59.40 | qballer1 | What org are you applying too ? |
| 18:59.40 | tzbob | I never expected the amount of competition that I've seen the last days |
| 18:59.41 | ChadWindnagle | I'm as much a newbie as you three! |
| 18:59.48 | Applify | yes true |
| 19:00.06 | Applify | ^ to tzbob |
| 19:00.21 | tzbob | the Concord Consortium and e-cidadania are the orgs I will apply for |
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| 19:00.37 | qballer1 | I wrote down one for Apache. |
| 19:00.39 | gevaerts | likes the relaxing atmosphere of this competition :) |
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| 19:00.57 | Applify | haha, far from relazing |
| 19:01.03 | Applify | *relaxing |
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| 19:01.25 | gevaerts | Oh, it's *very* relaxing for me! |
| 19:01.30 | Applify | Im in the middle of my exams >.< |
| 19:01.32 | tzbob | yeah Applify, sleep work write/code and repeat all over again |
| 19:01.51 | qballer1 | A day in a life. |
| 19:02.09 | schumaml | at least we don't make you show up for a job interview at 7:30am, sharp ;) |
| 19:02.22 | qballer1 | lets just get excepted. I'm a bit afraid because the project I want to go to is somewhat sleepy regarding GSoC |
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| 19:02.33 | gevaerts | schumaml: apart from the deadline anyway :) |
| 19:02.34 | Falias | #freenode |
| 19:02.38 | tzbob | or make us dress up in stupid clothes schumaml :P |
| 19:02.40 | qballer1 | One would be mentor I've discussed things with and he already mentors something else. |
| 19:02.49 | Applify | or a life in a day </philosophical> |
| 19:03.10 | schumaml | tzbob: oh, we had dress codes for developer meetings |
| 19:03.25 | qballer1 | dress code? hua? |
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| 19:03.35 | tzbob | and here I was hoping being dressed would meet the requirements |
| 19:04.21 | schumaml | ... and I'm very, very lucky that two stepcial member of our org didn't get to decide about that dress code |
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| 19:06.55 | schumaml | that's a strange typo |
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| 19:23.39 | chitz_ | Is it appropriate to contact multiple mentors of different projects of the same organization on their mailing list? |
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| 19:29.39 | alexi | hi! The student application/proposing a project link doesn't seem to appear on the website. HELP? |
| 19:31.21 | dhaun | alexi: what do you see below the photo on http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2012 ? |
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| 19:35.18 | alexi | dhaun: nothing! 404 error |
| 19:35.29 | alexi | sry! |
| 19:35.40 | alexi | I just see the mentors apply button |
| 19:35.48 | alexi | not the student apply button |
| 19:36.28 | Gentlecat | are you logged in? |
| 19:36.33 | alexi | yes |
| 19:36.39 | dhaun | I've seen a few people report this today, not sure what the reason is ... |
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| 19:36.49 | dhaun | did you apply as an org admin or a mentor before? |
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| 19:37.40 | alexi | nope. I went to the gsoc website few days back and registered and filled up my dashboard and after that I cant ssem to apply |
| 19:37.44 | alexi | *seem |
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| 19:38.30 | dhaun | pokes Lennie |
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| 19:39.35 | dhaun | alexi: I'd suggest you ask over in #melange |
| 19:39.35 | alexi | am i supposed to accept any confiramtion email? |
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| 19:45.35 | Lennie | alexi, define a few days back |
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| 19:49.14 | alexi | Lennie: A few days back would mean say between 20-24th of March |
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| 19:49.50 | qballer1 | you can't go in to gsoc? |
| 19:49.55 | qballer1 | websit |
| 19:51.02 | alexi | qballer1: I can enter and login but the students apply link is not appearing! Only the mentor's apply link is appearing! |
| 19:52.04 | ajedwards | flush your cache |
| 19:52.25 | qballer1 | Try another browser |
| 19:52.37 | qballer1 | Could you post a link to a screen shot? |
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| 19:53.55 | schumaml | alexi: you didn't sign up as a mentor for another org, did you? |
| 19:54.01 | Lennie | schumaml, he did |
| 19:54.11 | Lennie | So many eager students who don't read |
| 19:54.17 | schumaml | ah |
| 19:54.25 | Lennie | the page clearly says mentor/org admin multiple times :P |
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| 19:54.56 | qballer1 | OH |
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| 19:55.54 | Lennie | You can have them mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com with the link_id (top right of your screen) :) |
| 19:56.00 | Lennie | *their |
| 19:56.09 | hvq | hey I can not see the apply button |
| 19:56.10 | Lennie | Someone will help them out soonish |
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| 19:56.23 | Lennie | hvq, let me guess you were eager and signed up as a mentor before students could apply?> |
| 19:56.23 | hvq | I didnt apply as mentor |
| 19:56.30 | Lennie | as in before Monday?> |
| 19:56.36 | Lennie | Did you do anything in Melange before Monday :)? |
| 19:56.59 | hvq | no, I just click on the mentor:apply button, but I haven't submitted yet |
| 19:57.14 | alexi | @lennie: How do i fix it? |
| 19:57.14 | hvq | is there any way to check this? |
| 19:57.28 | Lennie | Mail the group as I said |
| 19:57.42 | Lennie | Don't forget to include your link_Id |
| 19:57.51 | hvq | if one registered as a mentor, will it appear in Main dashboard / My requests? |
| 19:58.12 | hvq | I just want to check if I submitted by a mistake |
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| 19:59.05 | hvq | perhap I should email the staffs |
| 19:59.06 | hvq | ... |
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| 19:59.56 | alexi | @lennie: I haven't applied as a mentor! |
| 20:00.06 | Lennie | You signed up as one |
| 20:00.10 | Lennie | Please mail the list |
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| 20:00.30 | Lennie | schumaml, if any of them come knocking in IRC you can redirect them to melange-soc@googlegroups.com :) |
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| 20:00.56 | Lennie | make sure they include their link_id which is printed on almost every page :D |
| 20:01.05 | Lennie | meeting time |
| 20:01.12 | schumaml | Lennie: I saw the messages on the list already |
| 20:01.57 | alexi | I have registered as a mentor. what should the email contain apart form my link? |
| 20:02.09 | Gentlecat | Is it possible to modify proposal after submitting it? |
| 20:02.31 | JordiGH | Gentlecat: Up until the deadline, yes. |
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| 20:03.46 | alexi | wat should the mail contain? |
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| 20:07.23 | abc__ | Say an org decides to mentor me then does it mean I am in or there is a final say by Google guys |
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| 20:09.23 | JordiGH | abc__: The orgs decide. |
| 20:09.45 | abc__ | JordiGH: the orgs decision is the final say |
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| 20:10.43 | JordiGH | abc__: Yes, Google won't veto a project that fits the guidelines (has to be free, has to be code and not documentation, etc) if the org approves it. |
| 20:11.18 | abc__ | great |
| 20:11.22 | hypha | This might be a very silly question. But does one have to be in the states to apply? |
| 20:11.53 | alexi | hypha: No |
| 20:12.03 | alexi | u can be anywhere in the world! |
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| 20:12.18 | JordiGH | hypha: You have to be enrolled in an educational institute of higher learning, you have to be able to legally work where you want to work, and you can't be in the of the countries that the US embargoes. |
| 20:12.22 | allman | Hypha: except for a few countires as noted in the FAQ |
| 20:12.24 | JordiGH | You can't be a citizen of |
| 20:12.30 | JordiGH | Nor be in it while you're working. |
| 20:13.52 | hypha | Thanks JordiGH. I read that. But I just wonder if mentors and students would communicate virtually |
| 20:14.00 | JordiGH | Virtually? |
| 20:14.11 | JordiGH | You mean over the internet or telephone? |
| 20:14.12 | JordiGH | Yes. |
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| 20:14.15 | hypha | yes |
| 20:14.19 | JordiGH | It's rarely face-to-face. |
| 20:14.21 | hypha | ah that's great! |
| 20:14.29 | hypha | Thanks JordiGH! |
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| 20:32.32 | JordiGH | Huh, only 5 applications submitted. |
| 20:32.35 | JordiGH | Should I be worried? |
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| 20:32.43 | JordiGH | I heard that we would get "hundreds" of applications. |
| 20:33.10 | gevaerts | JordiGH: the vast majority of students only applies in the last three and a half seconds |
| 20:33.17 | JordiGH | Ah. |
| 20:33.20 | JordiGH | Of course. |
| 20:34.35 | klocatelli | brownie points to early apps! |
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| 20:36.26 | JordiGH | There's a really juicy app here from a guy who's already submitted some really difficult patches... |
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| 20:38.08 | klocatelli | a go-getter ^_^ |
| 20:38.58 | JordiGH | Is Sage a new org? |
| 20:39.05 | JordiGH | So they'll probably only get two slots at most? |
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| 20:41.31 | klocatelli | apparently this is their first accepted year |
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| 20:44.04 | dberkholz | gevaerts: JordiGH: that said, there is a high correlation between early applicants and high-quality applicants. it's pretty mixed closer to the deadline |
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| 20:44.41 | gevaerts | The very best ones though are the ones who miss the deadline by milliseconds |
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| 20:52.58 | Razinov | Hello. I live on "ABC" street, house number is 42, appartment number is 84. What is correct address line for me? |
| 20:53.16 | Razinov | "42 ABC Street Apt. 84" ? |
| 20:54.37 | klocatelli | if there's only one address field, I think that's right. But if there are two, afaik suite/apartment/po box/etc is supposed to go on the second |
| 20:55.26 | Razinov | 1st: "42 ABC Street" 2nd: "Apt. 84"? |
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| 20:55.40 | Razinov | klocatelli: |
| 20:56.01 | klocatelli | yes |
| 20:56.12 | Razinov | thank you |
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| 21:34.56 | qballer1 | How many application where they last year? |
| 21:35.18 | dhaun | !numapps | qballer1 |
| 21:35.18 | gsocbot | qballer1: "numapps" is 180 of 406 potential mentoring orgs were accepted in 2012. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 potential students submitted 5474 proposals, of which 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 21:35.58 | qballer1 | Thanks |
| 21:36.03 | ojwb | with the standard footnote that dividing slots by number of apps is pretty meaningless |
| 21:36.31 | qballer1 | ojwb, explaind? |
| 21:36.43 | qballer1 | explain* please |
| 21:37.02 | ojwb | seems popular to go from the above to concluding you have a ~30% chance of acceptance |
| 21:37.20 | ojwb | but there's a lot of junk applications which stand no chance |
| 21:37.33 | Fatbag | If you graph number of students applying versus number of accepted applications, you'll get a sigmoid |
| 21:37.34 | ojwb | one line apps, pastes from the ideas list |
| 21:37.44 | qballer1 | So that means that if you try a little that you chances increase by a lot |
| 21:37.48 | ojwb | incomprehensible ideas |
| 21:38.18 | ojwb | qballer1: yes, unless you're one of those applicants |
| 21:38.28 | qballer1 | I toke an idea from the project like bug and I plan on implementing that. |
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| 21:39.26 | qballer1 | I didn't go much in to the design since a project member (would be mentor) explained to me that it should be a work in progress with the mentor. |
| 21:39.29 | qballer1 | is that bad? |
| 21:41.37 | qballer1 | is getting worried by ojwb |
| 21:42.04 | ojwb | that probably depends on the org |
| 21:42.08 | gevaerts | Don't. He's not dangerous |
| 21:42.21 | Razinov | Hi all. I have question about English. I have list of questions. 1) One question 2) Second question 3) Third question. The "3" is the same as "1". How can I say it in English? My assumptions: "point 3 is the same as point 1", "paragraph 3 is the same as paragraph 1". Please, correct me. |
| 21:42.25 | ojwb | certainly wants to see that the applicant has thought through the project |
| 21:42.47 | Razinov | I don't like phrase "I have question about English", so please correct this phrase too. |
| 21:43.11 | Razinov | Thanks in advance. |
| 21:43.27 | ojwb | Razinov: that phrase seems fine |
| 21:43.52 | Razinov | ojwb: "point 3 is the same as point 1" seems fine? |
| 21:43.54 | ojwb | you could say "English grammar" perhaps |
| 21:44.00 | ojwb | well, that too |
| 21:44.06 | Razinov | ojwb: thank you |
| 21:44.08 | gevaerts | Razinov: *a* question |
| 21:44.15 | ojwb | oh yes |
| 21:44.20 | tlikarish | @Razinov "I have a question about some English grammar." |
| 21:44.32 | gevaerts | wouldn't use "some" there |
| 21:44.39 | Razinov | thank you all |
| 21:45.22 | ojwb | dropping articles in English seems a common mistake for native speakers from some languages, but it rarely actually causes a problem to reading it |
| 21:45.33 | ojwb | well, at least to me as a native English speaker |
| 21:45.44 | ojwb | perhaps it's harder if it's a second language |
| 21:45.59 | ojwb | you just read them in where they're missing, like I did! |
| 21:46.27 | tlikarish | It sounded less fluent to me but I understood the meaning. |
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| 21:47.52 | gevaerts | speaks English as a third language, and while he notices the missing article he doesn't stumble over it |
| 21:47.57 | gevaerts | Unlike "u" |
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| 21:50.28 | schumaml | isn't Russian usually parodied in this manner? |
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| 21:52.55 | qballer1 | ojwb which org are you from? |
| 21:57.52 | ojwb | qballer: xapian |
| 21:58.38 | ojwb | and swig to a lesser extent |
| 21:58.58 | ojwb | and debian to an even lesser extent (in terms of likely gsoc involvement) |
| 22:00.06 | gevaerts | And lego constructions |
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| 22:00.46 | ojwb | gevaerts: oh yes |
| 22:01.06 | qballer1 | Lego :)? |
| 22:01.44 | ojwb | qballer: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jenelopy/6303648645/ |
| 22:02.19 | qballer1 | I know what lego is. :D nice pic |
| 22:02.44 | ojwb | qballer1: that's the incident in question |
| 22:02.49 | gevaerts | It wasn't really very stable though |
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| 22:03.59 | qballer1 | I'v never heard of xapian, Swig up until GSoC |
| 22:04.12 | schumaml | gsoc applications that are not going to make it, #123: "You give me certain images and i will manipulate them the way you want" |
| 22:05.26 | Gentlecat | Will mentors from org contact me after I submit my proposal if something is not clear or they want to know more? |
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| 22:05.41 | Gentlecat | Or I wouldn't hear anything until deadline? |
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| 22:07.57 | gevaerts | Gentlecat: it depends on the organisation. I believe some organisations don't provide (m)any comments on proposals during the application period. In any case, talking to them on mailing lists / forums / irc can't hurt |
| 22:08.46 | Gentlecat | gevaerts: so it's okay to ask for some feedback? |
| 22:09.02 | gevaerts | Definitely. Just don't ask every ten minutes :) |
| 22:09.32 | Gentlecat | Nah, I'm too lazy |
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| 22:12.42 | tlikarish | schumaml: is that for real? |
| 22:12.48 | schumaml | yes |
| 22:12.59 | klocatelli | rofl |
| 22:13.46 | klocatelli | applications like those make me feel much better about my proposal's chance of being accepted :D |
| 22:14.06 | gevaerts | !chances ! klocatelli |
| 22:14.12 | gevaerts | That's what it means :) |
| 22:14.21 | gevaerts | If only I got the factoid right, anyway |
| 22:14.25 | gevaerts | !chance ! klocatelli |
| 22:14.29 | Gentlecat | lol |
| 22:14.32 | gevaerts | !chances |
| 22:14.33 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "chances" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 22:14.51 | gevaerts | writes down "Don't confuse a ! and a |" |
| 22:15.47 | klocatelli | I know it's not random :P but it's easier to "chance" than... well, that factoid |
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| 22:29.31 | buffyg | Question: when should we have final updates for the "awesome project"/"project capacity" info on our project profile, as this is clearly important to slot allocation but requires us to have done a lot of our cat herding with both mentors and applicants? |
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| 22:31.25 | ojwb | buffyg: carols should email warning when it is needed |
| 22:31.36 | ojwb | won't be until after student applications close though |
| 22:33.51 | buffyg | ojwb: Excellent, thanks. |
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| 23:08.25 | buffyg | My only feedback is that writing a solid proposal is pretty time-intensive, so quality is likely to suffer if you try to write multiple proposals, certainly for orgs you may not know as well. |
| 23:08.52 | buffyg | Sorry, answering the scrollback buffer as though it were a current question. :-/ |
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| 23:15.48 | tomprince | Hmm. I can't seem to find anywhere that mentions what time commitment a mentor should expect to put in. |
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| 23:26.04 | tomprince | I found a suggestion of ~5h/week at https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors but didn't see it in the FAQ, and could find any obvious place where it was mentioned in http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCMentoring/ |
| 23:26.58 | teuf | tomprince: really depends on the student, the mentor, ... |
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| 23:30.20 | tomprince | teuf: Well, I was hoping to find somewhere that gave a rough idea, to point potential mentors at. (Since we put out a call for more mentors) |
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| 23:57.20 | Michitux | tomprince: some more hints can be found at http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/First_Year_Organizations |
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