| 00:01.27 | o0o0o | _o_o_ oOo _o_o_ |
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| 00:06.04 | ojwb | hmm, we're still missing 5 orgs |
| 00:06.38 | agliodbs | no paperwork? |
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| 00:07.39 | ojwb | agliodbs: i guess because they've yet to fill in their profile |
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| 00:08.12 | ojwb | i guess it's not impossible someone dropped out |
| 00:08.32 | agliodbs | or that theyr'e not paying attention |
| 00:08.44 | agliodbs | or don't understand what they'e supposed to do |
| 00:08.53 | agliodbs | can you say which projects? |
| 00:10.58 | ojwb | no, because as far as I can tell, the only way to know which projects are accepted is to view that list! |
| 00:11.23 | ojwb | i suppose I could comb the internet for projects saying they've been accepted and cross-reference, but I'm not that keen |
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| 00:11.51 | ojwb | but yes, it's more likely the admin just doesn't know he/she should do that |
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| 00:13.00 | agliodbs | ojwb: then how do you know 5 are missing? |
| 00:13.10 | ojwb | because 180 were accepted |
| 00:13.14 | ojwb | and the list gas 175 |
| 00:13.20 | ojwb | *has |
| 00:13.26 | agliodbs | thought ojwb was a google admin |
| 00:13.27 | ojwb | and I have a degree in mathematics |
| 00:13.36 | ojwb | ah, no |
| 00:13.44 | agliodbs | you do? I'm surprised you can manage arithmatic then |
| 00:14.02 | agliodbs | all the math majors I know need a calculator to figure out the tip |
| 00:14.09 | ojwb | worked it out from first principles |
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| 00:15.53 | ojwb | but yeah, that does seem a fairly accurate stereotype |
| 00:18.27 | tomprince | Well, pmost pure mathematicians I know don't deal much with particular numbers. At least not numbers much bigger than 2 or 3. |
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| 00:24.31 | agliodbs | I've just been out to dinner with a fair number of mathemeticians |
| 00:24.40 | agliodbs | I always figure out the split and the tip |
| 00:24.56 | agliodbs | while they're firing up their RPN calculator apps |
| 00:25.06 | agliodbs | had a degree in fine art |
| 00:25.23 | klocatelli | math is a fine art |
| 00:25.27 | tomprince | Those must be some sort of applied mathematicians then. :) |
| 00:26.15 | spasovski | mathematicians are not and shouldt be calculators :) |
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| 00:32.59 | Mango_Man | !missing_orgs |
| 00:33.01 | Mango_Man | !missing orgs |
| 00:33.03 | Mango_Man | !missing |
| 00:34.02 | MatthewWilkes | !missingorgs |
| 00:34.02 | gsocbot | MatthewWilkes: "missingorgs" is The list of participating organisations only shows those that have filled in their organisation profile, so it will slowly reach 180 as that's done. The list is incomplete at the moment because not all accepted organisations have done that yet. If your org isn't on there you can check if it's been accepted by asking the person who submitted the application. |
| 00:34.29 | Mango_Man | is there any way to view the remaining 5 organizations? |
| 00:37.36 | MatthewWilkes | Mango_Man: Not that I know of |
| 00:38.58 | klocatelli | ask every potential applicant that isn't on the list |
| 00:38.59 | klocatelli | easy |
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| 01:16.22 | thebolt | morning |
| 01:16.46 | meflin | happy evening |
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| 01:20.37 | JordiGH | Happy Nowruz, Iran. |
| 01:22.13 | meflin | that isn't just iran |
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| 01:22.59 | JordiGH | No, but I want to wish it to Iran. |
| 01:23.02 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 01:23.21 | meflin | so those in every state in the world you wished to ignore? |
| 01:24.09 | JordiGH | For the moment, yes. |
| 01:24.26 | meflin | ah I see |
| 01:24.52 | JordiGH | Iran is sending me patches. I'm hurt the people who are sending me patches are being punished. |
| 01:25.03 | agliodbs | by whom? |
| 01:25.21 | meflin | this actually diminishes mine |
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| 01:32.03 | Afan[A] | is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes |
| 01:32.56 | MatthewWilkes | Afan[A]: Your client is poorly configured, you're changing your nick and sending a channel command when you've been idle for 30 minutes |
| 01:33.34 | MatthewWilkes | Afan[A]: IRC has metadata for that, /away, you'll want to look into what settings you need to fix |
| 01:34.13 | meflin | it is the same script .. nick change goes with away ( both are a bad idea ) |
| 01:35.24 | meflin | also away notification is posted from the script irc doesn't do that on its own |
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| 01:46.36 | MatthewWilkes | meflin: Indeed, the client is poorly configured |
| 01:46.42 | MatthewWilkes | thought he said that |
| 01:47.29 | meflin | I was only attempting to add detail to your right claim |
| 01:48.42 | meflin | I am probably being over picky since I was insulted 3-7 ways just before |
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| 01:50.11 | meflin | with super bonus points that somone just pissed all over my xmas and my birthday |
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| 01:51.45 | Afan[A] | MatthewWikes yeah i guess it is i dont really use IRC a lot |
| 01:51.46 | Afan | is no longer away : Gone for 49 minutes 42 seconds |
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| 01:52.05 | meflin | stop auto-scripty doing away and not away |
| 01:52.23 | Afan | i didnt do it i guess it came with the client |
| 01:54.07 | meflin | that could be so .. in that case I sugest a better client... old irc'ers at least can be very unforgiving ;) |
| 01:54.19 | meflin | at this time I forgive ::) |
| 01:54.24 | Afan | a free one? IceChat is the only free one i could find |
| 01:54.51 | meflin | mac-os? |
| 01:55.06 | Afan | Windows 7 |
| 01:55.12 | Cheezmeister | xchat, ChatZilla, anything that uses libpurple, you have so many options. |
| 01:55.25 | meflin | konversation |
| 01:55.27 | Afan | i used xchat thought you had to pay for that |
| 01:55.43 | meflin | for windows lasst I knew you do ( evil ) |
| 01:55.57 | MatthewWilkes | Afan: Most windows users use mIRC, I don't know how many actually pay for it though |
| 01:56.00 | MatthewWilkes | X-Chat is free |
| 01:56.42 | Cheezmeister | Huh, Windows version of XChat got de-GPL'd. |
| 01:56.52 | JordiGH | Cheezmeister: No, it's still GPL. |
| 01:56.57 | JordiGH | There's nothing wrong with selling free software. |
| 01:57.12 | meflin | xchat is not free for binarys on win ( last I knew ) |
| 01:57.23 | Afan | maybe i just imagined it having a popup asking for money or for me to register |
| 01:57.27 | JordiGH | The binaries are free, but they're sold. |
| 01:57.43 | meflin | JordiGH:not free beer then :P |
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| 01:58.41 | Cheezmeister | Strange. Well, anyway. There are so many libre and gratis IRC clients, it's not even funny. |
| 01:59.03 | meflin | not that much for win |
| 01:59.11 | JordiGH | So much for fail. |
| 01:59.23 | Afan | most of the ones i found asked for money so when i finally found a free one i put up with it |
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| 01:59.29 | Afan | i dont think i can even disable that scriopt |
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| 01:59.31 | JordiGH | There are other ways to get Xchat binaries on Windows. Since it's free, if you have a friend who's paid for an Xchat binary, pirating it is fine. |
| 01:59.48 | meflin | JordiGH: so provide a link :P |
| 01:59.51 | Cheezmeister | Teeheeheehee |
| 01:59.52 | JordiGH | People also make alternative Xchat builds on Windows. |
| 01:59.55 | JordiGH | meflin: I don't use Windows. |
| 02:00.10 | JordiGH | But really, it's not difficult to find, let me see. |
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| 02:00.32 | meflin | if a windows needs a $0 client that isn't crap then put up or shut up that is the established question |
| 02:00.40 | JordiGH | http://www.silverex.org/news/ |
| 02:00.59 | Cheezmeister | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_IRC_clients#Operating_system_support Sort by Windows, there ya go. |
| 02:01.01 | meflin | 3 years out of date? |
| 02:01.25 | JordiGH | meflin: Xchat itself hasn't changed that much in 3 years. Neither has IRC. |
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| 02:01.49 | Afan | maybe i should just work harder on getting a duel boot going |
| 02:01.55 | meflin | thats an amusing point of view |
| 02:01.57 | Afan | but thanks for the link |
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| 02:02.32 | JordiGH | meflin: No, really, look at their changelog: http://xchat.org/ |
| 02:02.41 | JordiGH | meflin: Latest Neews 28-August-2010 |
| 02:03.18 | JordiGH | It's kinda cute how hard people work to not pay for something. |
| 02:03.23 | meflin | JordiGH: so you trust a soft that doesn't even have a sec update in 2+ years? |
| 02:03.39 | JordiGH | meflin: "A soft"? Do you speak a Romance language? |
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| 02:03.56 | JordiGH | I guess other speakers also say that. |
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| 02:04.24 | JordiGH | And yeah, I trust xchat. It gets security updates on Debian, and I've patched it myself a number of times when I didn't like what it did. |
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| 02:04.41 | meflin | not sure I understand that last |
| 02:05.03 | meflin | you are saying there have been no security issues in xchat or irc in the last 2 years? |
| 02:05.07 | JordiGH | meflin: It's free, so I've patched it. Not a whole lot, but I don't run the same Xchat you see on that site. |
| 02:05.26 | meflin | so you are running a dev version? |
| 02:05.36 | JordiGH | I'm running the JordiGH version. |
| 02:05.46 | meflin | custom then? |
| 02:05.58 | JordiGH | Yeah. I also merge in the Debian patches. |
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| 02:06.24 | meflin | and that helps a random student how? |
| 02:06.24 | JordiGH | meflin: I'm honestly curious, which languages do you speak? "A soft" sounds to me like a Romance language. I'm only curious. |
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| 02:06.47 | meflin | JordiGH: no you are not curious you are just insulting |
| 02:07.05 | JordiGH | meflin: Noooo, L2 interference is really interesting, I do it a lot too. I exhibit a lot of L2 interference in French. |
| 02:07.47 | meflin | thats your 3rd major insult of the night to me personaly |
| 02:08.12 | JordiGH | Sorry, I'm not trying to insult you. What is wrong? |
| 02:08.13 | Cheezmeister | JordiGH, tell meflin he's a poopoo head! Make it four! |
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| 02:08.25 | meflin | JordiGH: i've already pointed out more then one |
| 02:08.42 | JordiGH | meflin: I don't understand. I'm sorry. Can you please explain? I apologise. |
| 02:09.13 | meflin | well if you realy want to get straight ( and I could be at fault for some ) this is off topic and lets go /msg |
| 02:10.20 | MatthewWilkes | meflin: You can ignore other IRC users, try /ignore |
| 02:10.34 | meflin | I am aware :) |
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| 02:11.30 | MatthewWilkes | meflin: It might be a good idea, you seem to be very thin-skinned today, it's getting tedious. |
| 02:12.08 | meflin | MatthewWilkes: observation noted and I think that may be true |
| 02:12.16 | thebolt | hi mr MatthewWilkes , how's it going? |
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| 02:13.53 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Okay, a little frustrated at micro controllers not behaving, you? |
| 02:16.31 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: ah, which one? as long as they are MCUs it is usually ok to fix.. i had a 5 hour fight yesterday to get some GPIOs going on my omap chip.. (ARM A8-based thingy) |
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| 02:18.27 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: ATMega128RFA1, I don't seem to be able to get it to talk to me over ICSP, it just doesn't echo the sync bits back |
| 02:19.26 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: the power supply is ok, have decent decoupling etc? |
| 02:21.06 | meflin | JordiGH and I fought it out .. I at least think its all good and all bad fealings are gone |
| 02:21.54 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Power is being supplied by the programmer, seems sensible enough, decoupling is exactly according to data sheet (well, not this particular board, I'm trying on a partial board right now, but get the exact same symptoms on the full ones) |
| 02:22.00 | meflin | some misunderstanings |
| 02:22.29 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: hm, ok |
| 02:22.41 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: tested another chip? |
| 02:22.43 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: I get the chip putting out its regulated voltage, and its power on indicator is behaving correctly (i.e. takes a little while after hitting reset to come on, doesn't seem to be spontaneously resetting) |
| 02:22.55 | thebolt | RESET pin handled properly etc? |
| 02:23.18 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: multiple boards, but same design, not a different board |
| 02:23.20 | thebolt | i've stopped using those tiny chips, so all i use today have real jtag interfaces.. |
| 02:23.26 | thebolt | oki |
| 02:23.27 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: reset is working fine |
| 02:23.45 | thebolt | if it is a board design problem they would all be faulty though, no? :) |
| 02:24.06 | thebolt | (i've had problems in past with improper pullups/downs on programming lines for example) |
| 02:24.06 | MatthewWilkes | I tried clocking it right down, and I've gotten good at aiming my multimeter probes onto 0.5mm pitch |
| 02:24.17 | thebolt | :) that is an art |
| 02:24.39 | thebolt | (my new board is mostly 0.4mm pitch stuff.. and some QFN which is impossible both to solder and probe :P) |
| 02:24.56 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Indeed, got two different layouts, I re-designed after the first batch. |
| 02:25.47 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: There are pullups/down on the programming lines, it's relying on the programmer to drive everything, is that a very thing? |
| 02:26.12 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: well, not sure about that exact chip/what programmer you use |
| 02:26.21 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: The board is based on the datasheet's example application schematic, programming connections are based on docs for programming a different chip of the same family |
| 02:26.33 | thebolt | but some chips / programmers don't have push-pull drivers, or limited strength |
| 02:26.47 | MatthewWilkes | (that didn't have any pulling on the lines) |
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| 06:23.23 | dilip | any one here thinking about coding 4 simplrCV ?? |
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| 06:23.38 | kblin | !anyone | dilip |
| 06:23.39 | gsocbot | dilip: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
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| 09:05.50 | fcerullo | morning all |
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| 09:06.20 | fcerullo | anyone interested to talk about owasp projects? |
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| 09:10.53 | |Kev| | fcerullo: I'm not sure if you're a student or a mentor, but if everyone spammed the channel with the org they were looking for, or adverts for the org they mentor for, it would rapidly become untenable. |
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| 09:11.39 | fcerullo | i dont think im spamming |
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| 09:11.57 | fcerullo | im available for few hours a day |
| 09:12.25 | fcerullo | to help students get more info about the org |
| 09:12.41 | fcerullo | im the owasp gsoc admin btw |
| 09:12.58 | |Kev| | You're presumably available in your own channel, too, though, which students will be able to find when they look at your profile in Melange. |
| 09:13.18 | |Kev| | The standard advice for students is: |
| 09:13.19 | |Kev| | !anyone |
| 09:13.19 | gsocbot | |Kev|: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 09:13.35 | fcerullo | correct |
| 09:14.04 | fcerullo | but dont think there is any harm |
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| 09:14.17 | fcerullo | talking openly in a channel |
| 09:14.24 | fcerullo | isnt it? |
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| 09:21.32 | shurikas | fcerullo, what languages do you use for owasp projects? |
| 09:21.41 | shurikas | I see java and .net only |
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| 10:18.45 | denisboyun | Hi, anybody know is drizzle take part in GSoc 2012?\ |
| 10:20.00 | Al_Da_Best | According to this list http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 It does not appear to be |
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| 10:22.13 | denisboyun | Al_Da_Best, I know but official community said another http://wiki.drizzle.org/GSOC_2012 |
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| 10:23.09 | Al_Da_Best | They could be one of the 5 who haven't put their details up yet, but many sites have pages such as that and were turned down. Best bet is to go and ask in #drizzle |
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| 10:26.08 | denisboyun | Al_Da_Best, http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 --- it's the final list or may even some change? |
| 10:26.37 | Al_Da_Best | As far as I know (I'm not an admin or anything) it's final, waiting on the last 5 orgs to put their pages up |
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| 10:27.41 | denisboyun | Al_Da_Best, I understand, thank you. |
| 10:27.50 | Al_Da_Best | You're welcome :) |
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| 10:30.44 | pokoko222 | is it ok to ask for help with code on mailing lists |
| 10:31.08 | pokoko222 | for example I have written lot of algorithms but I need help to figure out how to execute some code when called from command line |
| 10:31.21 | pokoko222 | for example program --myCode arguments |
| 10:31.39 | pokoko222 | and I have the myCode part I just need it to be called when that is entered in command line |
| 10:31.51 | pokoko222 | are questions of such type appropriate? |
| 10:31.59 | pokoko222 | I mean I have done the hard job, I implemented and tested lot of algorithms |
| 10:32.15 | pokoko222 | but with exams and stuff it is hard to get to figure out how their command line parsing works... |
| 10:32.18 | |Kev| | pokoko222: I would first ask in the IRC/MUC if there is such a thing. |
| 10:32.33 | |Kev| | But generally the things you can't do on a mailing list are go way offtopic, or be a troll. |
| 10:32.51 | |Kev| | So I would have no problem with someone sending a coding question to my mailing list, for example. |
| 10:32.51 | pokoko222 | i dont get it |
| 10:32.56 | pokoko222 | ah ok |
| 10:33.10 | pokoko222 | I mean as I said I implemented lot of image processing algorithms |
| 10:33.37 | pokoko222 | they could help I guess to make it work so that I can call them from command line |
| 10:34.03 | pokoko222 | that's all the help I asked, I suppose it would be easy for someone on the project to do it fast and allow me to code more algorithms |
| 10:34.42 | pokoko222 | not just implemented but tested them too |
| 10:34.52 | aghisla | pokoko222: you can point them to your git/hg repository, so they can test the code too |
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| 10:35.10 | pokoko222 | I wrote on mailing list, hope I will get an answer |
| 10:35.15 | pokoko222 | so far the guys were nice |
| 10:35.21 | pokoko222 | I am just trying to ask good questions |
| 10:35.43 | pokoko222 | the logic is, I would spend a day or two to figure out how their parsing for command line calls works |
| 10:35.52 | pokoko222 | or I could implement more algorithms and have someone help with that |
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| 10:37.28 | pokoko222 | should not be hard for someone of the seniors on the project to do that in no time |
| 10:37.48 | pokoko222 | what do you guys think give me some more opinions :) |
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| 10:46.30 | hm | hi! could somebody help me suggest me an irc client that works well behind a proxy server. I tried smuxi (no proxy support) |
| 10:46.41 | hm | , xchat (proxy support but failing on http and would not connect via socks5) |
| 10:47.03 | hm | i'm currently using the webchat for freenode |
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| 10:51.03 | ebf0 | hm.... that depends on your proxy ? |
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| 10:53.43 | shurikas | do students work remotelly or on-site at the mentoring organization? |
| 10:54.04 | teuf | shurikas: remotely |
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| 10:54.35 | shurikas | well that's not very efficient :| |
| 10:55.07 | teuf | shurikas: why ? |
| 10:55.30 | teuf | I guess if the mentoring organisation has office space and you're leaving nearby, you can work on site as well |
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| 10:55.39 | teuf | but most students are remotees |
| 10:55.41 | Al_Da_Best | Is it though? For starters, how many organisations have offices? We're talking open source projects here. Secondly, where would they be located? This is an international event, people can't be expected to live in a foreign country for 3 months :/ |
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| 10:55.50 | shurikas | I would be interested in moving there for a summer :) |
| 10:56.08 | shurikas | ok, I see |
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| 10:58.45 | shurikas | "people can't be expected to live in a foreign country for 3 months :/" |
| 10:58.45 | shurikas | that's not so hard :D |
| 10:58.52 | shurikas | though what's hard is that there are no friends around |
| 10:59.32 | Al_Da_Best | Yes it is |
| 10:59.47 | Al_Da_Best | From a financial point of view, it's not viable |
| 11:00.04 | Al_Da_Best | Plus visa issues, and so on |
| 11:00.06 | shurikas | and moving is quite stressful |
| 11:00.12 | shurikas | ah yes, visa |
| 11:00.17 | shurikas | though I would love to try out US |
| 11:00.21 | shurikas | never been there |
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| 11:00.41 | Al_Da_Best | I'm sure you'll get the chance :D |
| 11:01.45 | vivek1729 | can we apply for 2 or more projects? |
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| 11:02.06 | Al_Da_Best | You can apply to up to 20 projects |
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| 11:04.05 | gevaerts | Don't do that though. Two or three is fine, but if you try much more than that, the quality of your proposals *will* suffer |
| 11:05.46 | vivek1729 | ya. U are right. |
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| 12:21.18 | LiuYang | #gsoc |
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| 12:23.52 | LiuYang | #sds |
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| 12:24.06 | LiuYang | -b #sds |
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| 12:24.37 | |Kev| | LiuYang: I'm not sure what you're trying to do, but I suspect it's not working. |
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| 13:09.05 | qubodup | hello |
| 13:09.12 | qubodup | where is a list of all gsoc accepted projects? |
| 13:09.25 | thiago | do you mean accepted organisations? |
| 13:09.31 | qubodup | yeah |
| 13:09.47 | qubodup | that sounds like what I'm looking for :) |
| 13:09.53 | thiago | on the website somewhere |
| 13:10.05 | Al_Da_Best | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 |
| 13:10.32 | qubodup | thanks |
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| 13:10.59 | gevaerts | Technically it's not a list of *all* of them. Apparently there are still four that haven't completed their profile yet |
| 13:11.16 | gevaerts | 176 out of 180 isn't bad though :) |
| 13:11.36 | Al_Da_Best | Drizzle has been added since earlier, I wonder if denisboyun spoke to them |
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| 13:13.41 | qubodup | please retweet if you agree that this list is hard to find and you have followers that might profit from it https://twitter.com/#!/qubodup/status/182454780575236096 |
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| 13:14.38 | Al_Da_Best | >.< |
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| 13:17.32 | gevaerts | can't say he finds that list hard to find |
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| 13:21.28 | hugopl | Arc, ping |
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| 13:23.36 | ojwb | thinks it should be harder to find |
| 13:23.41 | ojwb | make it an initiative test |
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| 13:30.14 | Arc | hey hugopl |
| 13:31.44 | hugopl | Arc, did you got the email with mentors phone numbers? sorry for annoy you :-/, but what the status? can I start interview students that had contacted me? |
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| 13:36.49 | Arc | hugopl: talk to students clearly |
| 13:36.57 | Arc | ill get back to you today |
| 13:37.31 | hugopl | Arc, ok |
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| 14:52.41 | shurikas | if I propose an open source project, mentoring organization accepts it and gsoc approves it, who is the owner of the project? |
| 14:52.46 | shurikas | me or mentoring organization? |
| 14:53.19 | kai | owner? |
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| 14:53.35 | shurikas | hmm... intellectual property |
| 14:53.35 | kai | as in copyright? |
| 14:53.39 | shurikas | yes |
| 14:53.48 | kai | depends on the mentoring org, I guess |
| 14:53.54 | gevaerts | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#who_owns |
| 14:54.16 | kai | gevaerts: thanks |
| 14:54.18 | shurikas | oh, I was actually reading faq but didnt finish it... |
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| 14:54.25 | shurikas | and come up with this question meanwhile |
| 14:54.28 | shurikas | ok then, I will continue reading |
| 14:54.29 | shurikas | :D |
| 14:54.31 | shurikas | thanks |
| 14:54.44 | kai | so there's orgs that do require copyright assignment |
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| 15:18.43 | debar | is wondering about the small amount of sec projects |
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| 15:21.00 | prateekp | which is better to communicate with org irc or mailin list |
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| 15:21.46 | dadkins_afk | prateekp: depends on the org -- why not try both? :) |
| 15:21.59 | prateekp | hmm |
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| 15:24.51 | prateekp | is it like that communicating without any point also matters rather than communicating after you have read all about the project u are applying for |
| 15:25.31 | prateekp | is it like that one who communicates with the org his/her name is joted down |
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| 15:43.35 | z4chh | what is the deciding factor on # of project slots a mentoring organization will get? |
| 15:43.50 | kai | !slotcount |
| 15:43.52 | kai | hmm |
| 15:43.58 | kai | we had a factoid for this |
| 15:44.11 | kai | z4chh: the short answer is "depends" |
| 15:44.13 | prateekp | there are slotcounts given to each org |
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| 15:44.32 | kai | z4chh: the long answer is that there's many parameters |
| 15:44.46 | prateekp | but that depends on the number of application the organisation it receives |
| 15:44.55 | kai | so e.g. if you're a new org, you'll likely get one or two slots |
| 15:45.05 | prateekp | also is the org new or old in Gsoc .. that also matters |
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| 15:46.40 | kai | if you're a long-time org, the most significant factor (apart from "how many slots did they ask for") is the number of applications you get |
| 15:46.46 | blast007 | !slots |
| 15:46.47 | gsocbot | blast007: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
| 15:46.50 | kai | as far as I understand, that is |
| 15:47.05 | kai | blast007: ah, too easy |
| 15:47.08 | kai | blast007: thanks |
| 15:47.12 | blast007 | :) |
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| 15:47.46 | kai | z4chh: so, what gsocbot said :) |
| 15:48.08 | z4chh | kai, thank you |
| 15:48.45 | kai | z4chh: the last two years, I've always gotten the number I asked for |
| 15:48.59 | kai | mostly because it was non-crazy-high |
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| 16:32.23 | |Kev| | carols: Heh. Normally it's the students who don't read the questions ;) |
| 16:32.43 | carols | |Kev|: i've discovered as a general rule no one reads much of anything :-) |
| 16:32.57 | |Kev| | <student> I've read [link], and I have further questions |
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| 16:33.06 | |Kev| | <carols> [link] will be helpful. |
| 16:33.13 | carols | yeah |
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| 16:36.09 | downey | Reading? What's that? |
| 16:36.42 | |Kev| | It's about an hour outside London. |
| 16:36.46 | carols | downey: something you wouldn't know anything about, I'm sure :-) |
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| 16:38.32 | downey | as a phd student, my problem is more with memory than with reading :) |
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| 16:39.01 | summatusmentis | downey: this. x100 |
| 16:39.27 | |Kev| | I would have thought writing would be more of a problem than either :p |
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| 16:39.55 | downey | don't even start about writing. heh. |
| 16:40.12 | gevaerts | You first have to remember there's a writing bit! |
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| 16:40.14 | |Kev| | I ended up writing my thesis in five weeks at the end, when I got a job and needed to finish the thesis before I started work. |
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| 16:40.37 | summatusmentis | I'm nowhere near my thesis |
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| 16:41.22 | |Kev| | I suspect that I (and my wife, then girlfriend) would have had a much less stressful time if I hadn't though the same thing :p |
| 16:41.28 | |Kev| | +t |
| 16:41.46 | summatusmentis | as a 1st year student, I guarantee I'm nowhere near my thesis |
| 16:41.49 | summatusmentis | :D |
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| 16:43.50 | rklancer | A student can make multiple applications to a single organization, right? I'm trying to respond to a student who asked about making 2 proposals, and I don't want to mislead. |
| 16:44.04 | rklancer | ...although I'll point out that 1 strong proposal beats 2 less well developed proposals. |
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| 16:44.32 | |Kev| | Yes, multiple proposals to the same org is ok, if the org's ok with it. |
| 16:44.45 | summatusmentis | rklancer: unless something has changed since 2009, the upper limit of applications was 20, distributed among as many (or few) orgs as necessary |
| 16:44.50 | |Kev| | stamps the statement with NOTOFFICIAL. |
| 16:45.13 | summatusmentis | indeed |
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| 16:45.58 | rklancer | summatusmentis, |Kev| great, thanks. I thought so. The FAQ seemed to imply that one organization could get more than 1 from the limit of 20 applications, but didn't say so explicitly. |
| 16:46.06 | rklancer | I'm running with it. |
| 16:47.32 | summatusmentis | rklancer: when I was a student in 2008, I submitted 2 applications to one org |
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| 16:48.02 | summatusmentis | now, I understand that the application requirements have become a little bit more stringent than they were then |
| 16:48.10 | summatusmentis | or, at least, potentially |
| 16:48.32 | rklancer | great. Didn't want to tell a student he could write 2, then have him be forced to by the application app to choose to throw one away. |
| 16:48.54 | |Kev| | rklancer: You can always advise him to try to submit two dummy apps, and then flesh them out. |
| 16:49.03 | |Kev| | If you're (or he's) concerned about it. |
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| 17:47.14 | Teugon | from the FAQ I know that it's possible to make more than 1 application for student but, Am I able to make more application for the same mentor (different proposes obviously) ? |
| 17:47.51 | dhaun | Teugon: yes, you can apply for different projects with the same organization |
| 17:47.51 | carols | Teugon: sure, you can. have you talked to that mentor and they've directed you to do that? |
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| 17:59.11 | nitika | is anyone from apache project here/ |
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| 18:04.03 | marinaz | nitika: take a look at http://community.apache.org/gettingStarted/101.html and https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator!executeAdvanced.jspa?jqlQuery=labels+=+gsoc2012&runQuery=true&clear=true |
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| 18:04.33 | marinaz | (the second one is their idea page linked to from http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2012/apache ) |
| 18:05.08 | marinaz | nitika: Apache is a big organization - you first need to select a project or projects that interest you and look for people in relevant IRC channels |
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| 18:06.32 | nitika | I am more interested in the hive jiras they posted, |
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| 18:09.59 | marinaz | nitika: basically, you need to find the project specific IRC channel |
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| 18:10.15 | nitika | okay thanks |
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| 18:29.17 | csj | admins around??? |
| 18:29.37 | carols | csj: admins for the program or for an org? |
| 18:29.54 | csj | for the program GSoC |
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| 18:30.56 | carols | sure, i'm here. |
| 18:31.11 | csj | Hello sir, I am Chandan |
| 18:31.18 | carols | i'm a ma'am, but hello. |
| 18:31.21 | csj | i went thorugh https://github.com/benetech/FBReaderJ/wiki/Google-Summer-of-Code-Ideas-Page |
| 18:31.36 | csj | oh my appology.. |
| 18:31.48 | carols | csj: that looks like an ideas page for benetech. you'll want to speak to them directly, most likely. |
| 18:32.13 | csj | and i was wondering where is their community portal or IRC chanel |
| 18:32.24 | carols | csj: is it listed on their homepage? |
| 18:32.30 | csj | nope |
| 18:33.01 | carols | you can email me and ill cc you on an email to their admins. |
| 18:33.16 | csj | is it approp. to contact directly to the Mentor?? |
| 18:33.23 | carols | sure, you're welcome to do that. |
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| 18:33.41 | csj | well.. |
| 18:34.02 | csj | one more thing |
| 18:34.11 | csj | this is my first GSoC |
| 18:34.11 | carols | sure |
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| 18:34.29 | carols | great, we're glad you're here. |
| 18:34.31 | csj | n also I am new to code.googel |
| 18:34.33 | blast007 | csj: I see contact info on the org profile for benetech, including IRC and a mailing list. |
| 18:34.37 | csj | google* |
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| 18:35.09 | csj | I have experience in programing Java as in my acedemics |
| 18:35.28 | carols | csj: great, you'll want to speak to the org you're working with directly about this. |
| 18:35.37 | csj | also i am interested in android |
| 18:35.52 | carols | great. |
| 18:35.59 | carols | again, something you'll want to discuss directly with the orgs. |
| 18:36.39 | csj | but i dont have experience in working on real time android applications... i eager to work on it though.. |
| 18:37.03 | carols | eager is good. you should speak to the org directly regarding your experience. |
| 18:37.16 | csj | sure i will... |
| 18:37.22 | carols | awesome :-) |
| 18:37.35 | downey | csj: I just spoke with them earlier. They'd be eager to hear from you (and others). |
| 18:37.53 | csj | sounds great.. :) |
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| 18:40.07 | csj | thanks for the help, no more feeling stranger here... :) |
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| 18:44.22 | carols | hey kblin |
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| 18:50.47 | carols | tamara: i said please email me because i don't discuss personal matters like this in logged public irc channels. |
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| 18:56.12 | JordiGH | Huh, jQuery isn't in the org list. Did it apply? |
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| 20:30.52 | agliodbs | should I be able to see the org co-admin in "members of your organizations"? |
| 20:30.55 | agliodbs | I can't |
| 20:31.31 | downey | agliodbs: they should have a listing in the 3rd column for "organization admin for" |
| 20:31.48 | SukhE | agliodbs: It's there. |
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| 20:31.58 | kblin | agliodbs: my co-mentors were dropped by melange when we were accpeted |
| 20:32.05 | kblin | I had to re-invite them |
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| 20:32.40 | agliodbs | kblin: aha, ok |
| 20:32.49 | agliodbs | kblin: why did they make us list the coadmin then? |
| 20:32.57 | kblin | beats me |
| 20:33.02 | gevaerts | To make sure you have one |
| 20:33.12 | kblin | I assume dropping the co-admin is an accidental feature |
| 20:33.26 | agliodbs | kblin: melange has a lot of "accidental features" ;-) |
| 20:33.35 | downey | the co-admin also needs a gsoc 2012 profile before they can be added as co-admin |
| 20:33.48 | kblin | some people in here were co-admins who registered the org first, and the primary admin got dropped instead |
| 20:33.59 | gevaerts | I'm pretty sure having some stuff go wrong is mandatory in melange. This sounds minor compared to melange's first year :) |
| 20:34.04 | downey | :) |
| 20:34.32 | agliodbs | oh, fun |
| 20:34.44 | agliodbs | I tried to invite the co-admin, and got a Melange 500 error |
| 20:34.46 | downey | is just happy the UI isn't changing this week |
| 20:35.18 | agliodbs | worked on 2nd attempt |
| 20:35.27 | agliodbs | has extreme pity for poor Carol |
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| 20:35.39 | gevaerts | downey: don't mention that sort of thing! |
| 20:35.45 | downey | ducks |
| 20:35.47 | gevaerts | You know what will happen now! |
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| 20:37.25 | downey | goes back and deletes that line from the logs |
| 20:38.13 | gevaerts | remembers the total UI overhaul the weekend before the student application period started :) |
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| 20:38.38 | kblin | well, the new UI is nice, now that I'm used to it |
| 20:38.50 | agliodbs | kblin: I don't know, it seems worse to me |
| 20:38.57 | agliodbs | takes more clicks to do each task |
| 20:39.11 | agliodbs | however, it's more important that they leave it alone until the end of the summer, now |
| 20:39.20 | agliodbs | at least I *can* do each task |
| 20:39.23 | kblin | :) |
| 20:39.54 | kblin | if you admin multiple orgs, it does save clicks |
| 20:40.28 | agliodbs | ah |
| 20:40.36 | agliodbs | I only do one, and for me, it adds them |
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| 20:40.56 | agliodbs | kblin: how on earth do you admin multiple orgs? are you full-time on GSOC? |
| 20:41.19 | kblin | nope, I just have pretty low-maintenance mentors |
| 20:41.28 | kblin | so far, at least |
| 20:41.36 | kblin | knocks on wood |
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| 20:42.09 | kblin | and both are small enough, I guess |
| 20:42.55 | downey | <3's his mentors |
| 20:43.10 | agliodbs | oh |
| 20:43.23 | agliodbs | has to beat his mentors over the head to get progress reports |
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| 20:43.48 | downey | +1 for offering tea and biscuits in exchange for progress reports |
| 20:43.56 | agliodbs | not the students, mind you. just the mentors |
| 20:44.18 | agliodbs | downey: difficult to do from 13000km away |
| 20:44.48 | downey | serves tea and biscuits |
| 20:44.51 | downey | nah. see? |
| 20:45.12 | gevaerts | downey: are you trying to replace carols? :) |
| 20:45.33 | downey | i figure if it works in #gsoc it should work for our mentors |
| 20:45.50 | gevaerts | Good point |
| 20:45.51 | downey | that and i'm a tea addict |
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| 20:47.25 | agliodbs | downey: favorite tea(s)? |
| 20:47.44 | downey | any kind of white tea |
| 20:47.51 | downey | also, cocoa tea |
| 20:48.24 | agliodbs | *cocoa* tea? sounds ... repulsive |
| 20:48.37 | agliodbs | likes green tea. especially a nice sencha |
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| 20:48.59 | downey | http://www.st-lucia-vacation-guide.com/cocoa-tea.html |
| 20:49.23 | downey | sencha++ |
| 20:49.40 | agliodbs | of course, I'm primarily an espresso drinker |
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| 20:50.48 | faliva | hi |
| 20:50.59 | carols | hi faliva |
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| 20:51.09 | nitika_ | hello i wanted to check if hive is one of the accepted organisations for gsoc |
| 20:51.19 | nitika_ | i know apache is one |
| 20:51.34 | nitika_ | but hive team said they are not sure if they will be accepted |
| 20:51.40 | Lennie | !acceptedorgs |
| 20:51.44 | Lennie | darn close |
| 20:51.55 | Lennie | The list is on www.google-melange.com :) |
| 20:51.59 | Lennie | !orgs |
| 20:51.59 | gsocbot | Lennie: "orgs" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 |
| 20:52.16 | carols | nitika_: they will know if they're accepted or not by now. |
| 20:52.20 | carols | they knew last friday. |
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| 20:52.52 | nitika_ | okay |
| 20:52.57 | nitika_ | they are not sure |
| 20:53.12 | nitika_ | I don't know who will be the right person to contact |
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| 20:53.23 | carols | nitika_: well, you can check on the list Lennie linked to as well to see for sure. |
| 20:53.27 | faliva | am I right that if I want to apply for gsoc, I have to make contact with a mentoring organisation first? |
| 20:53.35 | carols | faliva: yes |
| 20:53.39 | dberkholz | faliva: only if you want to be accepted =P |
| 20:53.50 | nitika_ | apache does have some hive jiras for gsoc2012 |
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| 20:54.30 | dberkholz | agliodbs: i mainly rely on my mentors to correct the students' reports if they're wrong. don't require their own, although i've considered it |
| 20:54.53 | downey | dberkholz: progress reports? |
| 20:55.35 | dberkholz | downey: yeah. in gentoo, we require weekly progress reports from each student |
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| 20:55.44 | dberkholz | that keeps people from falling through the cracks |
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| 20:56.09 | dberkholz | we have a master spreadsheet where we track everyone's projects |
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| 20:56.34 | dberkholz | turns out that poor communication is a surprisingly good predictor of poor progress |
| 20:56.48 | downey | gets reports from both mentors and student to cross-validate. :) |
| 20:57.09 | dberkholz | our reports go to the public list, so anyone can do so |
| 20:57.20 | SukhE | Same for Debian. We had bi-weekly reports last year and now we are going to do them weekly. |
| 20:59.08 | dberkholz | the thing i'm trying to get working better is better check-ins w/ mentors around 1/4 and 3/4 of the way through, to try to fix any issues serious enough to result in a failure |
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| 20:59.22 | dberkholz | that leaves enough time to actually do something about it |
| 21:01.13 | ryao | I keep getting emails from prospective students. It is going to be hard to pick one if this continues, assuming my mentor application is accepted. |
| 21:01.51 | dberkholz | ryao: you might want to suggest that they consider more than 1 application for different projects |
| 21:02.01 | dberkholz | ryao: i.e., one to add feature X, another for feature Y |
| 21:02.21 | dberkholz | that way they won't get ruled out entirely if a single idea turns out to be highly competitive |
| 21:03.34 | Taye | hi |
| 21:03.42 | Taye | I'd like to ask... |
| 21:03.45 | downey | hi Taye |
| 21:03.47 | faliva | so do I have to apply at a mentoring organisation first within the next 4 days, and then, when i get accepted there, for gsoc as well? |
| 21:04.06 | ryao | dberkholz: Thanks for the tip. :) |
| 21:04.31 | Taye | if you apply for more than one project/organisation, dou you get a choice if multiple organisations accept you? |
| 21:05.06 | carols | Taye: the decision is usually left to the student, but we do assume that if you applied for all those organizations that you're fine working for any of them. |
| 21:05.15 | dberkholz | ryao: also keep in mind that those ideas are best supported by different mentors, as especially first-time mentors are unlikely to get more than 1 project. |
| 21:05.53 | gevaerts | faliva: no. You submit a proposal (or several) to an organisation on the gsoc website during the application period which *starts* in a few days. That's it as far as the formal application is concerned |
| 21:06.04 | Taye | carols: thanks very much |
| 21:06.07 | carols | yw |
| 21:06.23 | faliva | and what's the current discussion period all about? |
| 21:06.44 | gevaerts | Talking to mentoring organisations to make sure your proposal will be good |
| 21:07.13 | gevaerts | faliva: have you read the student guide? |
| 21:07.17 | MatthewWilkes | Hey, what were the student payment amounts in 2010 and 2011? 5500 both times? |
| 21:07.18 | gevaerts | !studentguide | faliva |
| 21:07.19 | gsocbot | faliva: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 21:07.28 | gevaerts | also recommends that to all other students |
| 21:07.45 | faliva | no, i haven't. thanks |
| 21:08.03 | carols | MatthewWilkes: 5000 both times. 500 additionally goes to the org for each student mentored. |
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| 21:08.58 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Thanks! |
| 21:09.04 | dberkholz | carols: is there a wrong number on the faq? |
| 21:09.17 | dberkholz | carols: oh no, i just can't add |
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| 21:10.50 | carols | dberkholz: :-) |
| 21:11.04 | dberkholz | carols: for a second there, i thought you were raising the student stipend to 5500 |
| 21:11.12 | carols | nope :-) |
| 21:11.16 | dberkholz | somehow misread 2250 as 2500 |
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| 21:11.50 | dberkholz | carols: gonna be at any conferences in the next month? |
| 21:12.06 | carols | dberkholz: yeah, i'm speaking at POSSCON next week actually |
| 21:14.59 | dberkholz | hmm, i'll be at eclipsecon |
| 21:15.32 | dberkholz | columbia SC is awesome though |
| 21:15.40 | dberkholz | make sure you get together with @cra while you're there |
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| 21:16.05 | dberkholz | he's running twitter's oss stuff, i was giving him some gsoc tips (that apparently worked) |
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| 21:18.52 | dberkholz | carols: cool bar called speakeasy there, open very late. another place closer to the convention center w/ ~100 taps called the flying saucer |
| 21:19.07 | carols | dberkholz: ah, nice. thanks for the recommendations :-) |
| 21:19.11 | carols | ill check those out |
| 21:19.30 | dberkholz | i lived there for a summer while i was interning at their newspaper |
| 21:20.05 | dberkholz | in fact, i just realized that everybody i actually gave advice to about gsoc was accepted |
| 21:21.54 | carols | that's awesome :-) |
| 21:22.27 | faliva | i figure that in the USA, the students have a break from university during the coding period? |
| 21:23.08 | dberkholz | faliva: for the most part, although there can be some overlap. |
| 21:23.31 | faliva | and it's necessarily a full-time job? |
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| 21:24.20 | nitika_ | Do we need to find our own mentors for the projects? |
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| 21:26.02 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Grand, was doing some back of a napkin calculations to emphasise how much organisation goes into GSoC by comparing the budgets to throw on the flames of the timetables thread. Now I can sit back and wonder if it turns out to act as water or gas. Apologies in advance if it's the latter ;) |
| 21:26.25 | carols | MatthewWilkes: aw, are you trolling my mailing lists? ;-P |
| 21:29.07 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Would you prefer I troll elsewhere and deprive you all of the entertainment? |
| 21:29.15 | summatusmentis | faliva: it's expected to be ~30 hr/week, iirc. Some orgs may differ, but really you should be expecting that it's a full-time commitment |
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| 21:29.50 | carols | MatthewWilkes: i have to say, the mentors provide a lot of entertainment for me. i kind of wish i had more boring days in this job :-) |
| 21:31.36 | nitika_ | hi, i wanted to ask if we need to find our own mentors for the projects under the accepted organisations? |
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| 21:32.23 | gevaerts | nitika_: no, the organisation handles that |
| 21:32.29 | edsiper | nitika_, no, mentors are assigned by the organization, focus in the project idea and start talking with the org |
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| 21:32.41 | nitika_ | okay |
| 21:32.54 | cab938__ | Hi all, first time we were accepted as a mentoring organization to the program. |
| 21:33.14 | cab938__ | Super excited, we are getting some phenomenal student inquiries. |
| 21:33.33 | downey | yay! |
| 21:33.56 | cab938__ | A question about procedure though; when we rank students, how do we know how many we are likely to be assigned? This step seems kind of magical to me thus far. |
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| 21:34.18 | MatthewWilkes | cab938__: You ask for how many you want, then you're told how many you get, and you have time to finalise your choices |
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| 21:34.32 | cab938__ | Ok, ty MatthewWilkes |
| 21:34.43 | edsiper | cab938, congrats!, we too :) |
| 21:34.46 | cab938__ | How does the "you're told how many you get" number get decided? |
| 21:34.58 | cab938__ | Yes edsiper, the students applying are really quite impressive thus far |
| 21:34.59 | downey | cab938__: i think most new orgs get 1 or 2 slots |
| 21:35.08 | cab938__ | downey, ok, tyvm |
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| 21:35.15 | edsiper | cab938, same here.. they already started to provide patches without ask :) |
| 21:35.41 | MatthewWilkes | cab938__: In general, it's based on past performance, amount of mentors you have signed up, etc, but downey is right, as a new org it'll be 1 or 2 |
| 21:35.43 | downey | cab938__: i'd also not recommend asking for more slots than you have mentors - in other words, 1 student per mentor |
| 21:36.20 | cab938__ | And do they just give slots, or approve specific students? |
| 21:36.27 | downey | slots. |
| 21:36.31 | MatthewWilkes | cab938__: They give slots, you assign them to students |
| 21:36.34 | cab938__ | tyvm |
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| 21:37.03 | MatthewWilkes | cab938__: It used to be the top ranked x where x was your number of slots, but now the ranking is more just for your convenience, once you get your slots allocated you can provisionally accept people |
| 21:37.05 | carols | cab938__: have you read http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/studentallocations |
| 21:37.05 | carols | ? |
| 21:37.06 | downey | cab938__: if you get n slots, your top n ranked students' proposals will get in. |
| 21:37.10 | cab938__ | I think we might try and poke around and see if we can find some funds, already we have had four amazing candidates show up |
| 21:37.25 | MatthewWilkes | cab938__: Then, once the deadline for allocating passes Google will notify the students that have been accepted |
| 21:37.36 | cab938__ | gotcha MatthewWilkes |
| 21:37.40 | cab938__ | ty carols, reading now |
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| 21:38.13 | Michitux | cab938__: I also wouldn't underestimate the chance that some of your top students apply for other projects, too, and you loose them during conflict resolution |
| 21:38.25 | downey | wonders if there is a date set for that initial allocation to be provided? |
| 21:38.28 | cab938__ | Right, I understand this Michitux |
| 21:38.36 | cab938__ | And yes, I could see this happening :) |
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| 21:40.32 | Michitux | last year two of our top 3 candidates were also accepted by other orgs, we lost one of them during conflict resolution, so the two slots we got were enough in order to have a slot for all our "amazing" candidates |
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| 21:41.23 | cab938__ | It's going to be an interesting process to go through! |
| 21:42.51 | cab938__ | We are an unfortunately large organization with many excited mentors. |
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| 21:46.07 | carols | cab938__: you might also want to read this: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCMentoring/notes-for-first-year-organizations/ |
| 21:46.31 | cab938__ | awesome, ty carols |
| 21:46.34 | carols | yw |
| 21:47.02 | cab938__ | This looks perfect |
| 21:47.36 | carols | i thought so. our 50 new orgs collaborated on it last year at the mentor summit. |
| 21:47.42 | carols | i was quite pleased with how it turned out. |
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| 21:48.10 | carols | i had a mentor shake my hand and thank me for not allocating all the slots their org had asked for to them. |
| 21:48.15 | carols | they didn't realize how much work it would be. |
| 21:48.22 | cab938__ | :) |
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| 21:48.40 | cab938__ | We haven't done SoC before, but we have had students participate with us through UCOSP |
| 21:48.51 | cab938__ | (Undergraduate Capstone Open Source Projects) |
| 21:49.06 | cab938__ | That was a little different because there was a weekend sprint at the beginning as a "get to know you" |
| 21:49.18 | cab938__ | But yea, mentoring 5 students at once was a bit of terror |
| 21:49.37 | cab938__ | Many of our committers are full time employed on the project though, so that helps |
| 21:50.01 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Hehe, that's sweet |
| 21:50.07 | carols | MatthewWilkes: yeah :-) |
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| 21:50.23 | MatthewWilkes | carols: I had a member of staff at a university come up to me and thank me for failing one of their students last year |
| 21:50.32 | Catfish_Man | ahaha |
| 21:50.40 | carols | MatthewWilkes: really? |
| 21:50.41 | carols | why? |
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| 21:50.55 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Apparently he went around complaining how it was unfair to everyone that would listen, and they all listened patiently and told him that they'd have done the same in my shoes |
| 21:51.05 | carols | oh wow |
| 21:51.12 | carols | well yeah, that sounds appropriate. |
| 21:51.33 | MatthewWilkes | carols: He was always missing meetings, apparently that was a common theme, and he's taken it as a kick up the backside and has been better about communication and time management since |
| 21:51.38 | Catfish_Man | failing like that is a required class at the school of hard knocks |
| 21:51.51 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Not the best way to use GSoC as a learning experience, but still valuable I suppose |
| 21:51.59 | carols | well then it does sound like it was good for him :-) |
| 21:53.08 | MatthewWilkes | Failing a student sucks, though |
| 21:53.35 | MatthewWilkes | At least we won't have to go through that this year |
| 21:55.41 | dhaun | MatthewWilkes: +1 on your post on gsoc-discuss, btw :) |
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| 22:05.41 | tamara | carols I sent mail. thanks again |
| 22:05.49 | carols | yw. |
| 22:06.30 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: Thanks for making that post. I was holding off until I could think of something suitably not trollish. |
| 22:06.43 | |Kev| | (And I was failing) |
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| 22:59.44 | Catfish_Man | hey lh :) |
| 23:00.18 | lh | Catfish_Man: hello my friend, greetings from Denver! |
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| 23:00.39 | Catfish_Man | how's Denver? Cold I expect? |
| 23:02.55 | agliodbs | lh: apparently Drupalcon isn't that exciting |
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| 23:06.31 | ojwb | hello lh |
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| 23:09.05 | lh | agliodbs: It is very exciting thus far. |
| 23:09.13 | lh | ojwb: hello! so nice to type to you. :) |
| 23:09.41 | lh | Catfish_Man: Denver is dry. Also, do not drink while you are here. I was *really* careful last night and 2 cocktails (whiskey + soda) left me a *mess* this morning. |
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| 23:09.53 | lh | No es bueno. |
| 23:10.08 | Catfish_Man | lh: oh dear. I generally start feeling it halfway through cocktail one, so I think I'd probably fall over after my first drink there |
| 23:10.29 | gevaerts | You mean "Don't drink and dry"? |
| 23:10.30 | lh | Catfish_Man: Seriously. |
| 23:10.41 | Catfish_Man | is almost done setting up his new machine at work :) (the old one broke) |
| 23:10.56 | lh | gavinatkinson: I don't even know if that matters. I slammed a liter of water before going to sleep, didn't even feel tipsy, etc. |
| 23:11.15 | ojwb | lh: you missed I think |
| 23:11.22 | ojwb | lh: how are you keeping? |
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| 23:11.57 | lh | ojwb: I am doing very well, thank you. You? |
| 23:12.03 | lh | Catfish_Man: yay new machines! |
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| 23:12.53 | ojwb | yeah, things are good |
| 23:13.08 | ojwb | trying to survive the initial onslaught of enthusiastic students |
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| 23:24.51 | lh | ojwb: a good problem to have. :) |
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| 23:27.15 | nitika_ | anyone from asf? |
| 23:27.31 | gevaerts | !anyone | nitika_ |
| 23:27.31 | gsocbot | nitika_: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 23:28.29 | nitika_ | looking for mentors interested in hive/hadoop projects |
| 23:28.49 | ojwb | nitika_: you are far more likely to find them on asf channels than here |
| 23:29.02 | nitika_ | I did contact the organisation directly but didn't get much results |
| 23:29.30 | Lennie | Is hive under ASF? |
| 23:29.41 | |Kev| | nitika_: How did you contact them, and how long did you wait |
| 23:29.43 | |Kev| | ? |
| 23:30.09 | jh-d | !next |
| 23:30.10 | gsocbot | jh-d: "next" is Mar 26 19:00 UTC - Student Application period opens |
| 23:30.11 | |Kev| | I'd have thought 24-48 hours for a mailing list, and 24 hours for IRC would be reasonable sorts of timeframes to get a reply. |
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| 23:30.28 | |Kev| | All sorts can happen, though, and delay things. |
| 23:31.41 | Lennie | !orgs | Lennie |
| 23:31.41 | gsocbot | Lennie: "orgs" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 |
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| 23:39.03 | lh | Lennie: yes, hive is an apache project |
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| 23:40.15 | ojwb | still missing 4 then |
| 23:42.30 | agliodbs | ojwb: maybe google has dropped them |
| 23:42.35 | agliodbs | more slots for everyone else! |
| 23:43.13 | ojwb | at least once before the org place was filled when that happened |
| 23:43.41 | ojwb | (ubuntu -> limesurvey) |
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| 23:44.23 | Lennie | ojwb, still missing 4 orgs? |
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| 23:45.05 | ojwb | Lennie: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012 shows 176 |
| 23:45.25 | ojwb | apparently 180 were accepted |
| 23:45.32 | ojwb | so 4 have presumably not filled their profile yet |
| 23:45.33 | Lennie | I'll take a look at the failers :p |
| 23:45.53 | ojwb | that might be useful - i guess the admin missed the memo |
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| 23:58.33 | pokoko222 | Do I have to contact the organization before 26 march? |
| 23:58.49 | ojwb | no, but it's good to talk early |
| 23:58.55 | pokoko222 | I mean I am writing code and I probably will contact them like 30 march maybe |
| 23:58.59 | ojwb | it'll get busier once applications open |
| 23:59.20 | ojwb | so now is a good time to get in touch |
| 23:59.26 | pokoko222 | I want to impress them with my code which will take me more time, like 30 march |
| 23:59.52 | ojwb | you can just say hello and say what you are interested in |
| 23:59.53 | pokoko222 | or maybe I could at least present myself on the mailing list |
| 23:59.57 | pokoko222 | ok |
| 23:59.57 | ojwb | yeah |