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00:00.27meflinmeh time to skim the kcum
00:02.28meflinerr scum
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00:35.04JohnskneesSilly question, when's the chance for students to submit projects? Have I missed the date or is it coming?
00:35.38mmadia!timeline
00:35.38gsocbotmmadia: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012
00:35.48meflinwhen sudents submit there proposales
00:37.19JohnskneesI see that, but for the life of me it's confusing me.
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00:38.07JohnskneesRight I didn't scroll down. It would seem March 26 is a good date.
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01:34.45Abhi_Hi, can anyone tel me what is the last date to submit the proposals ?
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01:35.15meflin!timeline
01:35.15gsocbotmeflin: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012
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02:27.31techstein\m/ gsoc has been announced. im interested in Gnome3... have already started to compile it from scratch
02:27.56techsteinis it safe to assume that gnome will participate this yr
02:28.07dfighterask them
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02:28.31techsteindfighter: on which channel should i ask
02:28.50techsteinin irc://irc.gnome.org
02:28.54dfightertechstein on their channel/mailing-list/forum whatever they have
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02:30.28techsteinok.. i do so... just for information sake... how many people like to use gnome3(with gnome-shell) over old gnome2
02:31.27dfighterI know Linus doesn't
02:32.29techsteinyeah... but he preferred gnome2 over everything else
02:32.49techsteinand after some time im sure he'll switch to gnome3 again
02:32.55techstein:)
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02:58.33QasimHello!
02:59.03hekateHi
02:59.17QasimNevermind
02:59.22QasimI was going to ask if there is an age limit
02:59.25Qasimbut I found out :(
02:59.34Qasimrestriction*
02:59.40hekateThere is? What is it? (not aware myself)
02:59.47QasimAt least 18
02:59.52Qasim3 years to go lol
02:59.54hekateok good :3
03:00.02QasimIm a youngster web enthusiast
03:00.07hekategood luck, you can still contribute to OSS !
03:00.14hekatecheckout openhatch.org btw
03:00.21Qasimthnaks
03:00.22hekateor any projects you're interested in
03:00.24Qasimthanks
03:01.01QasimAlso, any news on Google I/O? i'll be 16 by the May, so since the event is in June I should be able to go.
03:01.07QasimHopefully I can get a ticket.
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03:02.11dfighteryou also need to be doing post-secondary education to participate in SOC, so it's not just an age restriction
03:02.33hekatehttp://googlecode.blogspot.com/2011/11/google-io-2012-extended-to-three-days.html
03:02.40hekatehttp://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_reschedules_io_2012_hints_at_code_competiti.php
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03:03.31QasimI absolutely loved last year's event, even if I wasnt able to go
03:03.40hekatewas it streamed live?
03:03.52hekateI'd love to go if I could afford it
03:03.53QasimYeah every part of it :) was very handy
03:04.00hekateoh cool, didn't know
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03:04.15QasimIt was the first time I ever came in contact with a Google staff, I emailed them asking if there was an age restriction on going
03:04.45QasimSadly, there was. Haha I sometimes despise age restrictions :( But I understand why they exist.
03:05.07hekateYeah, I'll definitely watch the events streamed. Can't wait till a program list is available for I/O.
03:06.09QasimI know a person on a forum I frequent who contributes to phpBB and makes a lot of money, how does that work? I want to contribute to open source software and don't expect to get paid but
03:06.12Qasimhow does he do it? :P
03:06.23QasimI havent gone around to asking him
03:07.00hekateprobably consulting for companies or sites on setting up and maintaining phpBB, for public or even in-house use
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03:07.27hekateI used to do something similiar for Wordpress some years back..
03:07.34hekateWP:MU rather
03:08.10QasimAh. And would open source organizations be willing to sign forms, for say, if I wanted to count these towards CAS hours?
03:08.58hekateI'm not sure what those are
03:09.22QasimI am in the International Baccalaureate program in highschool, and we need to log hours for volunteer work we do. Its referred to as CAS because of "Creativity, Action, Service"
03:09.27hekatethey also might have bounties for security vulnerabilities that you report and/or helpf ix
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03:09.43hekates/helpf ix/help fix/g
03:09.52QasimOh I see
03:10.34hekateI'd definitely give it a try Qasim, try contacting some oss projects after contributing a bit to see if they'd be willing to, and whether it satistifes your CAS requirements at school
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03:11.38QasimThanks for answering my questions. I find oss projects really amazing as everyone does this work for the sole purpose of helping others.
03:12.19dfighterno not really
03:12.36dfighterit's good for getting experience, so you help yourself not others with it
03:13.02dfighternot to mention implementing free counterparts of some software that cost thousands
03:13.38dfighterbig companies also pay some full time employees to contribute to some projects, since they use the software too
03:13.46dfighterso it's their own interest too..
03:14.02JohnskneesIf you have little to no portfolio, are your chances relative to moot for getting in?
03:14.22hekateyep, most contributors to Linux kernel actually work at big tech companies like Intel, Google, Red Hat, IBM, etc and are paid to develop the kernel
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03:15.03QasimI am new in the freelance business, and don't have much of a portfolio
03:15.03Surajdoes participating in gsoc  need extensive experience of working with  open source projects?
03:15.05dfighterso no, open sauce is not the salvation army
03:15.20Qasimbut its not too far away, from my understanding?
03:15.31hekateJohnsknees: well, the only bar is your own ability and group communication, adhering to coding style and getting your code accepted by the project maintainer
03:15.59hekateSuraj: I wouldn't say so, no.
03:16.27hekatethe point of gsoc is to introduce students to the process and concept of contributing to open source in the first place
03:16.39dfighterQasim it's more like volunteering for a political party
03:16.51dfighterin the hopes of getting something in return in the long run
03:17.05hekateheh, that's one way to put it dfighter ;)
03:17.10Qasimdfighter: I understand it now, well said
03:17.13Johnskneeshekate I meant for gsoc :) but ya, I'm trying to get started in oss
03:17.15dfighter:)
03:17.16rodrigodsI've always wondered if someone can be mentor and student at same time (for different projects, of course)
03:17.26Surajso what are the points considered for gsoc selection?
03:17.39dfighterrodrigods it's in the FAQ and the answer is NO
03:17.48JohnskneesNice question Suraj
03:18.06hekateyes good question, I wonder if it's in the FAQ as I'm also interested
03:18.16hekategoes to continue to read the FAQs page
03:18.16dfighterSuraj it's probably in the FAQ too, but that depends on the organization you apply for
03:18.21araujoSuraj, technical consideration , it depends on the organization/project of course ......
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03:18.40araujoapart of that, just be motivated and open to learn a lot
03:18.41araujo:)
03:19.02rodrigodsdfighter, thanks! I was looking the FAQ right now =)
03:19.20JohnskneesI think we're all looking at the FAQ atm...
03:19.53Surajwhat if during gsoc i am not able to be present on the irc channel? because in my home town i have got very very slow speed internet..
03:20.42araujoSuraj, problem with inet access could be a problem in general, but yet agian, it depends on your project and also your mentor
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03:22.16JohnskneesIsn't gsoc hosted in the US? Or can you dial in?
03:22.59Catfish_Mangsoc isn't "hosted" anywhere. It's not a "thing" exactly
03:23.06araujoyour project organization will more likely be spread  around the world
03:23.48araujoin GSoC , you actually will work with an open source organization , not with Google
03:24.34hekateis it a bit late to get the ball rolling for an organization?
03:24.48hekateI just remembered about GSoC reading the blog post today
03:24.49araujobit late?, the thing has just started :)
03:25.32Catfish_Manaraujo: well... it would be a bit late to start creating an organization
03:25.34hekateah, I wanted to help a language that's sort of obscure, but has been in heavy commercial use since the 60s and was just open sourced recently get in on it
03:25.35Catfish_Manjust not late to be applying
03:26.01Catfish_Manhekate: is there a community that mentors could be drawn from?
03:26.04hekateyeah, I dunno if we could find the people to do the mentoring and everything (I already contribute and am building some tools and implementations of the language)
03:26.26hekateCatfish_Man: there is, but I'm not sure if we could find a willing person(s) in that time...I've yet to try though
03:26.28araujohekate, you will need an organization participating willing to mentor it ....
03:27.17hekateyeah, aware of it araujo. I'll keep coding if it doesn't come through anyways
03:27.35araujoGSoC also has some slots, at least in previous years, for projects that don't belong to an organization, where usually you will need to find a mentor by yourself, for example, a professor
03:27.41araujobut these slots are very limited
03:28.23hekateyeah, the language is J for anyone curious about it, basically APL with ascii characters using diagraphs for the old symbology
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03:28.34araujoah, yes, know it
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03:29.03hekateawesome, have you built anything with it?
03:29.04araujohekate, function programming?
03:29.16araujonot really, just know it from theory mainly
03:29.21hekatefunctional programming is possible in it, but it's mainly a declarative language
03:29.40araujobut J has a community right?
03:29.56hekateI post lots of links to a subreddit about it and APL, K/Q kdb+ and related languages at http://reddit.com/r/apljk
03:30.07hekateyeah, http://jsoftware.com and #jsoftware on freenode
03:30.29Surajare this irc logs saved in my computer or on the web? i am using chatzilla plugin of firefox
03:30.39hekateYou can join our programming and chat lists, very smart people there
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03:31.12araujohekate, yeah, I think I got to visit that channel some time ago
03:31.26Johnsknees@Suraj On the server mostly. Unless you have an out of browser IRC client with logging enabled.
03:31.38araujoaa .. function-level ... programming .... that is the term I was trying to remember
03:33.34Surajso how can i access the irc chats?
03:34.35Catfish_ManSuraj: I'm not aware of a public log of this channel, although there could be one I suppose
03:35.32hekateSuraj: I can give you an invite to http://irccloud.com, a site where you can keep a persistent connection to IRC when you're away if you'd like
03:36.17Suraj@hekate please give me an invite
03:36.35hekateyeah, just PM me your email and it'll be on its way
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03:45.53summatusmentis~logs
03:45.54ibotAll conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily.
03:45.57summatusmentis!logs
03:45.58gsocbotsummatusmentis: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/
03:46.03summatusmentishey look
03:46.09summatusmentisI guess there are logs
03:46.29hekateheh
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03:54.46JohnskneesNight folks
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04:42.04lfaraoneHave there been any major changes in GSoC from a mentoring org's point of view since 2011? I looked over the FAQ and couldn't find anything of note.
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04:59.57kvlterthanthouhello
05:00.04captainhi... can anyone explain about the gsoc timeline
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05:00.54kvlterthanthouwhat about it captain ?
05:01.41captainnothing...it is stating that winners will be announced on 14th feb... what it is about?
05:03.27ardahalcapatin: its about the google code in, the junior version of gsoc.
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05:05.04captainfine :) I m jus a newbie but I code better... I m interested in projects like kernel programming... Can I get into GSOC? How should I prepare for it?
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05:07.02MatthewWilkescaptain: You should read the documentation on the website
05:07.20Guest87266how to start preparing. plz give advice for beginners
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05:07.45captainNo I jus need some mentor to guide me...
05:08.38MatthewWilkescaptain: Do you have a specific question about the information on the website?
05:08.50desgare highschool students elgible?
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05:09.24captainNope.... thanks for your reply guys....
05:09.31MatthewWilkesdesg: That information is in the FAQ.  The short form is: almost certainly not.
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05:11.10desgoh i didn't read it
05:11.12desgim fine
05:11.24desgi have already been accepted into a couple of schools
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05:13.14MatthewWilkescaptain: If we spent 10 minutes helping every student who applied (let alone those that read up and don't apply) it would take half a man year to answer the questions.  We, therefore, respectfully ask that you read the information that's provided and do your own research, and only ask as a last resort if you're sure your question is new and that it's not answered already online
05:14.56thebolthi MatthewWilkes , how're you doing today sir?
05:16.53lfaraonedesg: if you will be enrolled by the eligibility deadline and are over 18, then that seems to be consistent with the rules.
05:17.36desgi wont be 18 till after that date though
05:17.39desgso :(
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05:21.44lfaraonedesg: next year. if you're already involved in eligable OSS projects, you can still help out as a mentor!
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06:15.12DiyarIs iraq's students too register in this gsoc 2012 ?
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06:16.34sakthigoogle don't need where you are from. it wants only the ideas
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06:18.13Diyarsrijan02420: because I want help to make 4A paper and share in same university
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10:15.43Suraji am a student
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10:36.46qwefsdHello everyone, i would like to know what's the required  programming skill level to participate someone to gsoc ? :)
10:38.56codestr0mqwefsd: depends on the project and tasks - find a project/organization you're interested in and discuss it with them - mentors and organizations will be around here or officially announced later
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10:40.09jinzoor some may be in ther dedicated gsoc channels.
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10:46.39Diyarcarols: How are you ?
10:46.43qwefsdcodestr0m, i mean i have not hardcore programming skills. I just know good C/C++ and i have read sources from a few open-source programs, like openldap, kerberos, i know the socket api etc. Is this enough to participate to gsoc or i should train even more?
10:46.50carolsDiyar: fine thanks. how are you?
10:47.04Diyarcarols: fine too
10:47.14carolsqwefsd: i would recommend you speak to the organization you're interested in working with when they've been chosen and ask them directly.
10:47.45Diyarcarols: I'm manager Arbil Google Technology User group I have question about GSOC if you have time please
10:47.58DiyarArbil - Iraq
10:48.14carolsDiyar: sure, why don't you PM me so we don't disturb the rest of the channel?
10:48.29Diyarok ok carols thanks
10:48.32carolssure
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10:54.39gevaertscarols: ae you finding enough fun talks?
10:54.51carolsgevaerts: indeed! although i've been heads-down working today.
10:54.57carolsturns out launching gsoc is a lot of work :-)
10:55.17gevaertsThen don't do it! ;)
10:55.29gevaertshides from the entie channel
10:55.31carolsah, but that's no fun :-)
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11:27.11spchalHi
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11:27.28carolshi spchal
11:27.34carolshere, have some coffee
11:27.38carolsserves some tea and coffee
11:27.55spchalI would like to work with Mozilla and I have already started contributing to Mozilla thunderbird making some bug fixes.
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11:28.33spchalBut whom should I contact to discuss about GSoC in mozilla?
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11:29.52carolsspchal: i don't know, we haven't chosen orgs for this year's programs yet, so i don't know if there's anyone with mozilla doing gsoc this year
11:30.07carolsi suppose you could try to contact them from a gsoc contact from a previous year?
11:30.31carolsmaybe this one? http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/mozilla
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11:30.37spchalOk
11:30.39carolsyou should ask them if they're planning to apply
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11:32.41spchalOk
11:33.56Gentlecatbasically, I should wait for organisations to provide their ideas list and then see if my skills are good enough to participate, right?
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11:34.32shadeslayerGentlecat: I'd suggest searching for orgs that you are going to be interested in
11:35.09spchalIs there any priority for organizations that took part last time for getting selected this time?
11:35.15shadeslayerspchal: nope
11:35.19smagninwhich orgs participate ?
11:35.28spchalOk
11:35.31shadeslayerI believe they're selected on the basis of what they submit
11:35.48shadeslayerspchal: their previous years performance counts as well I think
11:36.18spchalOk
11:36.34shadeslayersmagnin: look at last years list, most of them will probably apply again
11:36.51shadeslayerthere might be new orgs too ...
11:37.07smagninshadeslayer : ok thanks
11:38.19Gentlecatis there any other ideas lists from previous years avaliable apart from this one by KDE http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2011/Ideas ?
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11:38.40shadeslayerhmmm
11:38.58shadeslayerGentlecat: http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2010/Ideas ? :P
11:39.07Gentlecat:)
11:39.21spchalHow can I know about the performance of an organization in last year?
11:40.01gevaertsyou can;t
11:40.28carolsspchal: you could ask them.
11:40.43carolsbut that's the only way.
11:41.03gevaertsIf you mean "how likely are they to be accepted again?", you can ask carols and she'll then not answer :)
11:41.15gevaertsrecommends not doing this :)
11:41.22Gentlecatshadeslayer, I forgot we have google https://www.google.com/search?q=GSoC%2F2010
11:41.27carolsoh but it's more fun when i get to tell people no, gevaerts :-)
11:41.44carolsGentlecat: you forgot we have google? that's sad.
11:41.45gevaertscarols: oh, ok. I'll recommend doing it then next time :)
11:42.45spchalIs there any special channel for finding folks related to GSoC in Mozilla or I must ask in their usual channels?
11:43.38carolsspchal: they probably have an irc channel on that contact page i sent you.
11:44.51spchalOk
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11:53.29carolspulls up the open source couch
11:53.39carolsmuch more comfortable than conference benches :-)
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11:56.21j4nu5hi. i have a doubt regarding student allocations.hi. i am a student. i have a doubt regarding student allocations. how many students are assigned per project? The student allocations page (http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/studentallocations) says - Regardless of an organization's popularity, we allocated a minimum of two students per project in 2007 ...
11:56.43j4nu5but most of the projects in 2010/11 had only 1 student/project
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11:58.47j4nu5sorry for the typo :)
12:00.06MatthewWilkesmorning carols!
12:00.15MatthewWilkesLet the email flood… continue
12:00.15carolsmorning MatthewWilkes!
12:00.52carolsj4nu5: i think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself. we haven't' even had organizations apply yet, i don't think you need to worry too much about how many students they're being allocated yet.
12:01.41j4nu5carols: k .. thnx ...
12:01.52DragooonHello :)
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12:35.49schmrzHello Everyone! I have a question regarding the GSOC. I'm from Bosnia and I'm wondering if I need a usa visa or any additional paperwork in order to apply as a student ?
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12:36.31carolsschmrz: no, you don't need a visa. this is a program all done online.
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12:36.54schmrzcarols: Ah, thanks!
12:36.57carolsyw
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12:45.39DuttajiHello
12:45.44carolshello Duttaji
12:45.54carolsrefreshes the tea and cookies
12:46.00Duttajiwhats going on ?
12:46.38carolsDuttaji: gsoc, at least as far as this irc channel is concerned
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12:47.44gevaertsshould find where carols actually is so he can try to get non-virtual cookies!
12:47.46Duttajicarols , dear :D  when will be orginaztion complete and we will sign up ?
12:48.12carolsDuttaji: i'd prefer you didn't call me dear, thanks. have you looked at the timeline?
12:48.14gevaerts!timeline | Duttaji
12:48.15gsocbotDuttaji: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012
12:48.26carolsgevaerts: i escaped back to my hotel. ssshh don't tell anyone
12:48.44Duttajiok i got it :D
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12:48.50gevaertspromises not to reveal the secret :)
12:49.03carolsthanks gevaerts :-)
12:49.14Duttaji:P
12:49.57Duttajithanks :D
12:50.15yatiHi! I'm a student - As per the timeline, application starts Mar 26th - There's nothing much to be done for me as a participant student before that, right?
12:50.26yati*done by me
12:51.05carolsyati: you could encourage your favorite open source organization to apply. but that's about it.
12:51.22jinzohmz, I wonder if RaspberryPi will participate.
12:51.32jinzoanyone heard anything about that?
12:51.33gevaertsyati: depends. If you've never done any open source stuff befoee, getting some experience can be helpful
12:51.38Duttajiaffirmative yati :D
12:51.41yaticarols: great :) thanks
12:52.42carolsyw
12:52.49yatigevaerts: I've made very small contributions to the Mozilla codebase - and I'm familiar with diffing/patching or CVSs like git (primary) and hg(Moz uses this)
12:54.04yatigevaerts: If anything else is required, please let me know - there's much time :)
12:55.31gevaertsIn that case I'd recommend doing just that, possibly with some extra attention to communiy interaction
12:56.08schmrzyati: I suggest that you go throught the list of the organization that participated last year and see if there is anything interesting. Choose one or two organizations and then try to communicate with them *before* they apply their ideas for the project.
12:56.47schmrz*organizations
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12:59.51yatischmrz: okay - and can an individual who has open sourced a significant library participate - like bartaz of impress.js fame?
12:59.51yatiI mean participation as a project provider, not a student :P
13:00.36carolsyati: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#what_is_mentor
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13:01.37yaticarols: Thanks for the link man :) got it.
13:01.42carolsi'm a girl
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13:01.44carolsbut you're welcome.
13:02.08yatiShit. I'm sorry :)
13:02.19carolsplease don't curse in this channel, either
13:02.53yatiApologies once again!
13:02.57carolsaccepted.
13:05.50carolsserves more tea and coffee
13:08.02gevaertsdecides that more coffee won't hurt
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13:08.23vijeenhello
13:08.29vijeenall
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13:09.21carolshi vijeen
13:10.09vijeenpleased to know gsoc 2012 is announced.
13:10.16carolsme too.
13:12.14shadeslayergevaerts: more coffee can never hurt
13:12.16shadeslayer:P
13:12.48carolsbut can it *help*?
13:12.53carolsthat is the question.
13:13.00vijeenonly if the person is not diabetic
13:13.06vijeen:)
13:13.27carolsindeed.
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13:15.37shadeslayerit *usually* helps :D
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13:16.07yatimore tea = more anti-carcinogens and antioxidants.
13:16.28gevaertsIt all depends on what the problem was
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13:19.15shadeslayergevaerts: there's no problem more coffee can't solve
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13:20.05pralexGreetings. Just smelled some fresh coffee and cookies.
13:21.06carolssure, have some :-)
13:21.10carolsserves some more cookies
13:21.15carolsand some belgian chocolate
13:21.19carolsbecause i have some now!
13:22.04gevaertsWell done! :)
13:22.55carolsgetting chocolate in -5 degree C weather has got to be worthy of a medal or something.
13:23.08pralexThanks carols! Belgian chocolate is very tasty indeed.
13:23.17carolsyes it is.
13:23.20gevaertsawards carols one chocolate medal!
13:23.32carolsthank gevaerts! i knew you'd have one lying around.
13:23.45gevaertsAlways :)
13:24.27pralexI'm curious about criterias of GSoC 2012 participants. In particular, I'm last year undergraduate student and I might graduate in a middle of a program. Is that a problem?
13:24.54carolspralex: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#middle
13:27.16pralexcarols: Nice, thank you.
13:27.34carolsyw
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13:42.10vijeen@parlex me too is an undergraduate student , there is an well documentation of the application crteria in last years gsoc site, no worry be happy
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13:49.26LolithaGood afternoon everyone
13:49.42LolithaJust heard that Google Summer of Code 2012 has started
13:49.58LolithaI'm really interested in joining
13:50.14prateek_miranyone participating in gsoc for 2nd time ?
13:50.19LolithaBut I have a question
13:50.30Lolithano this is my first time
13:50.35Lolitha:-(
13:50.35carolsLolitha: sure, what's your question?
13:50.40prateek_mirohk..
13:51.13LolithaAh Carols 1) I'm doing a research in wireless adhoc networking
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13:51.31Lolithaimproving the existing routing protocols
13:51.39carolssounds like an interesting project.
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13:52.11LolithaI would like to make GUI application or widget for KDE like apple Airdrop
13:52.23Lolithawhich will be enable to all platforms
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13:52.54carolscool
13:52.54LolithaWhat are the possibility I can submit to Gsoc
13:53.09Lolitha?
13:53.11carolsLolitha: well, i would suggest you speak to the participating orgs about that when they are chosen.
13:53.43Lolithaoki :-) Thanks ...... Will KDE or python will accept it?
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13:54.08LolithaI can make python module for that protocol implementation
13:54.09JohnskneesI'm sure you must wait until the mentoring organizations are announced, then try suggest something in some way related to them.
13:54.14carolsLolitha: you should ask them :-)
13:54.31LolithaThanks for reply friends
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13:54.49carolsyou're welcome.
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13:55.56LolithaBTW carols I downloaded the flyer template I'll try my best to translate it to "Sinhala" and I'll give back to you when it's ready
13:56.03carolsLolitha: great, thank you!
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13:56.15LolithaNO no Thank you :-)
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14:01.02Ivanovic|FOSDEMgreetings from FOSDEM (from the games devroom) to everyone in here!
14:02.16carolsgreetings Ivanovic|FOSDEM :-)
14:02.20chris|FOSDEMheya :)
14:02.22JohnskneesHello Ivanovoc
14:02.49Ivanovic|FOSDEMand again thanks to the last gsoc summit
14:02.56carolsgevaerts is keeping my secret that i escaped FOSDEM to go back to my hotel and work. i'm sure he won't let the secret out
14:03.03Ivanovic|FOSDEMwithout it there likely would not have been this devroom which is a *HUGE* success
14:03.30carolswell good, i'm glad to hear that Ivanovic|FOSDEM
14:03.31carols:-)
14:03.32Ivanovic|FOSDEMevery talk (besides the very first which simply was too early) was completely filled, some significantly overfilled
14:04.08carolsi'm sorry i didn't see you at the gsoc box yesterday, Ivanovic|FOSDEM
14:04.20Ivanovic|FOSDEMcarols: there was a gsoc box?
14:04.25carolsbof
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14:04.28Ivanovic|FOSDEMdid not know about this
14:04.29Ivanovic|FOSDEMah, okay
14:04.30carolssilly autocorrect
14:04.58Ivanovic|FOSDEMyesterday we used all day for wesnoth related stuf since, due to the gamedev room, we don't have the time for it today
14:05.05Ivanovic|FOSDEMand yeah, we wanted to discuss some wesnoth things, too
14:05.07Ivanovic|FOSDEM;)
14:05.11carolsi see
14:05.18carolswell i suppose that's a good reason :-)
14:05.25Ivanovic|FOSDEM:)
14:05.41Ivanovic|FOSDEMbut yeah, we also talked about gsoc as topic and if we want to try to get accepted again
14:05.54Ivanovic|FOSDEM(as well as stuff like possible projects, how to get things done, ...)
14:06.21carolsi'm sure some of the students in this channel are interested in seeing if wesnoth applies again :-)
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14:07.08Ivanovic|FOSDEMthe "if" clearly sounds like a "yes, we'll try to get in" (at least at the moment)
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14:08.13carolswell good luck :-)
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14:08.37Ivanovic|FOSDEMthough we might have to change some things at least slightly in our general process due to me having less time (finished studying, starting a job soon)
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14:12.12carolsIvanovic|FOSDEM: what's the job?
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14:23.29atuljangrahey congratulations everyone for the announcement of GSoC !!
14:25.07Ivanovic|FOSDEMcarols: working in the research department for a company mainly specializing in creating maps for pilots (aka "aircraft charts")
14:25.18carolsIvanovic|FOSDEM: that sounds fun!
14:25.22Ivanovic|FOSDEMjepp
14:25.37Ivanovic|FOSDEMthe main reason why i said them "yeah, i want to take this offer"
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14:27.49carolsvery nice.
14:27.52carolsgood for you :-)
14:28.41atuljangra@Ivanovic Which company are you talking about ?
14:29.02Ivanovic|FOSDEMatuljangra: jeppesen
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14:30.45Ivanovic|FOSDEMcarols: no idea regarding the impact of the job (and me moving houses) on my time able to work on stuff like gsoc though (which is the reason why we *might* have to rethink some processes internally)
14:31.02carolsyeah, that makes sense. life changes and moves things around
14:31.06atuljangraIvanovic nice :)
14:34.00atuljangraIvanovic : Do you like work in that company ?? What is that all about ?
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14:35.41Ivanovic|FOSDEMatuljangra: i don't know if i'll like it, i am just about to start next month
14:36.29atuljangraIvanovic : Okay All the Best Buddy :)
14:36.37Ivanovic|FOSDEMand i don't know too exactly what the job will be about
14:37.47Ivanovic|FOSDEMthat is: it can be in a very wide area of things, not just "implement ABC" but more like "find out what a good solution for ABC would be and create some sane and working specs as well as some prototype showing that this really works"
14:38.21Ivanovic|FOSDEMat least this is what i know from the interviews i had and what they told me stuff would be about
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14:45.29atuljangra_Ivanovic : sounds great :) . what are you currently doing ??
14:46.18atuljangra_.
14:47.58Ivanovic|FOSDEMatuljangra_: i just finished studying computer science and am waiting for the job to start
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14:48.15Ivanovic|FOSDEMthough at this very moment i am in the open source gamedev room at fosdem, listening to a talk about gluon
14:48.24Ivanovic|FOSDEMcf http://fosdem.org/2012/schedule/track/open_source_game_development_devroom
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14:49.00atuljangra_Okay . so are you participating in the GSoC !
14:49.31Naphatulwhere can i find out what people did at previous gsoc's
14:50.22Ivanovic|FOSDEMatuljangra_: i have been in gsoc for the last 4 years
14:50.25Ivanovic|FOSDEMnever as student though
14:50.41atuljangra_then as a mentor ?
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14:50.57Ivanovic|FOSDEMnot exactly as mentor, only as "admin" for wesnoth
14:51.19JohnskneesSo Ivanovic, any tips for a student who really wants to get in. Would be nice to here what someone on the otherside looks for?
14:51.23Ivanovic|FOSDEM(though for us everyone is helping where it is possible, so i can at least redirect questions to the correct persons and answer some stuff myself)
14:51.38Ivanovic|FOSDEMJohnsknees: get active in projects right now
14:51.48Ivanovic|FOSDEMshow them that you are an asset to have
14:52.12Ivanovic|FOSDEMshow that you can communicate and react on feedback as well as think about the feedback and not only follow comments like a drone
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14:52.24Ivanovic|FOSDEM(meaning: reflect the feedback and state your opinion)
14:52.43|Kev|There are many resources for students.
14:52.45JohnskneesBut how can we get active in a project if we don't know who the OSS organisations are?
14:52.53Ivanovic|FOSDEMJohnsknees: you don
14:53.04Ivanovic|FOSDEM't have to be active in a specific project which will then be accepted
14:53.14Ivanovic|FOSDEMbut you can already get active in open source projects which just interest you
14:53.43Ivanovic|FOSDEMeven if this specific project later on does not try to participate in gsoc or is not accepted, you still have this knowledge in an area interesting you
14:54.07Ivanovic|FOSDEMoh, right, and make sure that you only look for a limited number of projects in areas that you are interested in
14:54.41Ivanovic|FOSDEMwriting a good application needs some time
14:54.51Ivanovic|FOSDEMwriting a great, close to perfect application even needs more time
14:55.14Ivanovic|FOSDEMand, most important: actively talk to orgs once the list is out, talk with them about your ideas and consider the feedback you get
14:55.44Ivanovic|FOSDEMmake sure to start on the application early and mention the stuff recommended somehow
14:55.53Naphatulso can anyone tell me if i can find previous submissions looks like i'll miss this by just 2 weeks and i'd like to know what to learn
14:56.19Ivanovic|FOSDEM(consider that the current dev team know their codebase and if they point out problematic/difficulty areas, believe what they say though you might want to ask for the "why")
14:57.17Ivanovic|FOSDEMNaphatul: just to shock you here is an example for an "almost perfect" project proposal of a really great developer
14:57.19Ivanovic|FOSDEMhttp://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeProposal_AI_Improvement_Crab
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14:57.40Ivanovic|FOSDEMhe was a gsoc student and has now been mentor for 2 years
14:57.52JohnskneesI'm just finding it a little hard to find an open source project to work on. Any suggestions for finding projects to work on?
14:58.11Ivanovic|FOSDEMJohnsknees: good starting points are the progs you use already
14:58.19Ivanovic|FOSDEMcheck if some of those are open source
14:58.36Ivanovic|FOSDEMif you encounter a bug or something missing, talk to the people about it how to change this
14:58.48Ivanovic|FOSDEM(if this prog is in an area you somehow like)
14:59.05Ivanovic|FOSDEMjust talk to them, no need to be shy
14:59.47Ivanovic|FOSDEMin case you just love some program, would help the dev but don't know where to start: ask the devs
14:59.47JohnskneesCool thanks for the advice. To github! :D
15:00.15Ivanovic|FOSDEM1) hearing a "i love your project, how can i help making it better" is the best thing you can say to help a software devs ego
15:00.23Ivanovic|FOSDEM2) open source devs tend to be nice and helpful
15:00.37Ivanovic|FOSDEMthey try to answer questions you got, because everyone was a beginner once
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15:02.23Naphatulwhat languages are most used, c/c++ ?
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15:02.59JohnskneesCool thanks Ivanovic. Gonna try my luck at a few projects on Github.
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15:11.21Ivanovic|FOSDEMNaphatul: depends on the projects, eg the python foundation tends to rely on python
15:11.23Ivanovic|FOSDEM;)
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15:11.41Ivanovic|FOSDEMbut c/c++ are very common among open source projects
15:12.05Ivanovic|FOSDEMand just because a project itself is written in c++ does not mean that a GSoC task has to be done in C++
15:12.45Ivanovic|FOSDEMeg at wesnoth a project was the creation of an eclipse editor/plugin to allow our content creators having the use of a "real" IDE, not a plain texteditor
15:12.58Ivanovic|FOSDEMthis was, of course, done in java even though the wesnoth codebase itself is in C++
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15:19.59gevaertscomplains about "c/c++", which seems to imply that c and c++ are extremely similar and/or the same
15:20.12|Kev|Very nearly :D
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15:20.29|Kev|Just an order of magnitude on compilation times apart.
15:20.41gevaertsYou can write very C-like code in C++, yes
15:20.54dfighteryou better not
15:20.59dfighteror make sure I don't see it
15:21.37gevaertsBut if you're doing C++, it should really be unreadable stuff involving templates and things :)
15:21.41gevaertslikes C
15:21.55abhinav-like++
15:21.58dfighterlikes both C and C++, but gets totally offended by C-style C++ stuff
15:22.15dfightergevaerts you forget that it should be full of template errors and warnings
15:22.25dfighterat least 3 A4 pages / message
15:22.28dfighter:D
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15:22.42gevaertsdfighter: and of course the template has to be instantiated for types that are themselves templates!
15:22.45|Kev|I'm sitting at the Real Time Lounge at FOSDEM coding C++ at the moment.
15:22.50gevaerts(at least 7 layers deep)
15:23.12gevaertsis in bar/breakfast 2 at fosdem
15:23.19gevaertsNot coding :)
15:23.22dfighteralso some meta-stuff, just so we are not bored
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15:24.09dfighteris not at FOSDEM, but home in Budapest, sitting in a nice and warm room, while it's -10something C outside
15:24.17Ivanovic|FOSDEMspent basically the whole day in the games devroom and is still doing sp
15:24.22Ivanovic|FOSDEMs/sp/so
15:25.50Ivanovic|FOSDEMhas to be the best devroom of all of fosdem
15:25.51|Kev|I should probably try and meet some of you chaps, but that means moving.
15:25.51Ivanovic|FOSDEM;)
15:26.28Ivanovic|FOSDEMhehe
15:26.59dfighter|Kev| moving is overrated, be a good geek and invent the transporter from Star Trek!
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15:46.32|Kev|Just spent a couple of hours coding, before realising it was all rubbish and deleting it.
15:46.40|Kev|Ah FOSDEM, what games you play.
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15:50.42Ivanovic|FOSDEM|Kev|: there are even talks about games!
15:50.47Ivanovic|FOSDEM;)
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16:03.24nanuclickityHey.!... Hi!
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16:03.42nanuclickityCan anyone tell me how to join GSOC'12??
16:03.59mmadia!faq
16:03.59gsocbotmmadia: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs
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16:05.47mmadiathat link will answer most, if not all of your questions nanuclickity.
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16:07.44nanuclickity@mmadia ... yes i've read that page. ... but i can't understand how the process works... is it like ... first mentoring organisations and companies apply... and then students join in and choose a project to work upon?
16:09.32mmadiamentoring orgs apply.  google selects and announces which ones are accepted. students submit project proposals.  mentoring orgs choose which students.  accepted students are announced.    All of that occurs between Feb 27 and Apr 23 -- http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012
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16:10.37nanuclickity@mmadia.... thanks for clearing that up!
16:10.38nanuclickity:)
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16:19.55mmadia!amigoodenough
16:19.55gsocbotmmadia: "amigoodenough" is Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/am-i-good-enough/
16:20.00mmadia!forget amigoodenough
16:20.01gsocbotmmadia: The operation succeeded.
16:20.05mmadia!learn amigoodenough as http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/
16:20.06gsocbotmmadia: "amigoodenough" is http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/
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16:22.30mmadia!choose
16:22.30gsocbotmmadia: "choose" is http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/choosing-an-organization/
16:22.35mmadia!forget choose
16:22.35gsocbotmmadia: The operation succeeded.
16:22.41mmadia!learn choose as http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/choosing-an-organization/
16:22.42gsocbotmmadia: "choose" is http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/choosing-an-organization/
16:26.55mmadiahmm... what's the syntax for telling gsoc bot to forget one definition in a multi-definition word?   !edit 's #1 should be updated to Apr 6th.
16:28.23gevaertsmmadia: enough quotes
16:29.57mmadiahmm?
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16:31.16gevaertsOh, wait. I misread
16:31.29gevaerts!edit
16:31.29gsocbotgevaerts: "edit" is (#1) You can edit your proposal up until the application deadline on April 8th, 19:00 UTC., or (#2) Comments on proposals however, can _not_ be edited after submitting., or (#3) Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline has expired.
16:31.40gevaerts!forget edit 1
16:31.40gsocbotgevaerts: "edit" is (#1) Comments on proposals however, can _not_ be edited after submitting., or (#2) Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline has expired.
16:35.45mmadia!learn edit as "You can edit your proposal up until the application deadline on April 6th, 19:00 UTC., or"
16:35.45gsocbotmmadia: "edit" is (#1) Comments on proposals however, can _not_ be edited after submitting., or (#2) Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline has expired., or (#3) You can edit your proposal up until the application deadline on April 6th, 19:00 UTC., or
16:36.15mmadiai'll re-order the other two definition in a PM.
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16:38.20atuljangraIvonivic there ?
16:38.24mmadia!edit
16:38.25gsocbotmmadia: "edit" is (#1) You can edit your proposal up until the application deadline on April 6th, 19:00 UTC., or (#2) Comments on proposals however, can _not_ be edited after submitting., or (#3) Mentors can allow students to edit proposals on a case-by-case basis after the deadline has expired.
16:38.38mmadiathanks gevaerts.
16:39.15atuljangrammadia In which field are you applying ?
16:39.47mmadiaMentoring Organization administrator.
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16:41.15atuljangraoh !! I am sorry . Wanted to ask , that I have not coded for open source , but sometimes I develop pluggins for mozilla , how should i increase my chances of selection ?
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16:41.56mmadia!amigoodenough | atuljangra
16:41.56gsocbotatuljangra: "amigoodenough" is http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/
16:44.03atuljangraaccoroding to that i am good enough , but i need to be among the best to get selected for gsoc ? right ?
16:44.55JohnskneesI think it's more having a good project and drive to work with it
16:45.09JohnskneesI mean contributing helps, but just be active and interested
16:45.54mmadia!linkid
16:45.54gsocbotmmadia: "linkid" is like a username. See http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/userguide#depth_sitewideprofile
16:45.58mmadia!forget linkid
16:45.59gsocbotmmadia: The operation succeeded.
16:46.19mmadia!learn linkid as "like a username. See http://google-melange.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/userguide#depth_sitewideprofile"
16:46.20gsocbotmmadia: "linkid" is like a username. See http://google-melange.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/userguide#depth_sitewideprofile
16:47.04mmadia!link_id
16:47.05gsocbotmmadia: "link_id" is like a username. See http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/userguide#depth_sitewideprofile
16:47.09mmadia!forget link_id
16:47.09gsocbotmmadia: The operation succeeded.
16:47.23mmadia!learn link_id as "see !linkid"
16:47.23gsocbotmmadia: "link_id" is see !linkid
16:48.41mmadia!meeting
16:48.41gsocbotmmadia: "meeting" is The IRC meeting for rejected orgs is 16:00 UTC on 22 March in this channel.
16:48.45mmadia!forget meeting
16:48.45gsocbotmmadia: The operation succeeded.
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16:49.12atuljangraJohnskness : ya it's about getting a good project . but how can i increase my chances right now at this moment ?
16:49.19mmadia!learn meeting as "The IRC meeting for rejected orgs is <time UTC> on <date> in this channel."
16:49.19gsocbotmmadia: "meeting" is The IRC meeting for rejected orgs is <time UTC> on <date> in this channel.
16:49.46atuljangraand what exactly is "getting active " ?
16:51.54mmadia!mentorsummit
16:51.54gsocbotmmadia: "mentorsummit" is cool bananas and a great place to meet an amazing selection of Open Source developers. Intense, packed. With free food and a t-shirt. On October 22nd-23rd in California.
16:51.58mmadia!forget mentorsummit
16:52.00gsocbotmmadia: The operation succeeded.
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16:52.07mmadia!mentorsummit
16:52.08gsocbotmmadia: "mentorsummit" is cool bananas and a great place to meet an amazing selection of Open Source developers. Intense, packed. With free food and a t-shirt. On <date to be determined> in California.
16:53.02mmadia!learn mentorsummit as "cool bananas and a great place to meet an amazing selection of Open Source developers. Intense, packed. With free food and a t-shirt. On October 20th & 21st in California."
16:53.02gsocbotmmadia: "mentorsummit" is (#1) cool bananas and a great place to meet an amazing selection of Open Source developers. Intense, packed. With free food and a t-shirt. On <date to be determined> in California., or (#2) cool bananas and a great place to meet an amazing selection of Open Source developers. Intense, packed. With free food and a t-shirt. On October 20th & 21st in California.
16:53.10mmadia!forget mentorsummit 1
16:53.11gsocbotmmadia: "mentorsummit" is cool bananas and a great place to meet an amazing selection of Open Source developers. Intense, packed. With free food and a t-shirt. On October 20th & 21st in California.
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16:59.11thiagothe dates for the Summit are known already?
16:59.28mmadiait's mentioned on the timeline, thiago.
16:59.46mmadiawhich surprised me :)
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17:12.19mmadia!ospo
17:12.19gsocbotmmadia: "ospo" is http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#no_org
17:12.23mmadia!forget ospo
17:12.23gsocbotmmadia: The operation succeeded.
17:12.31mmadia!learn ospo as http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#no_org
17:12.31gsocbotmmadia: "ospo" is http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#no_org
17:14.23mmadia!proposal
17:14.24gsocbotmmadia: "proposal" is All students have to submit proposal documents for the ideas they have chosen. Read the FAQ at http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#student_app for details and examples
17:14.30mmadia!forget proposal
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17:14.57mmadia!learn proposal as "All students have to submit proposal documents for the ideas they have chosen. Read the FAQ at  http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#student_application_looks for details and examples."
17:14.57gsocbotmmadia: "proposal" is All students have to submit proposal documents for the ideas they have chosen. Read the FAQ at  http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#student_application_looks for details and examples.
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17:19.22mmadia!pre-gsoc | atuljangra
17:19.22gsocbotatuljangra: "pre-gsoc" is The best early thing you can do is look at the list of organizations in previous years, pick ones that look interesting to you, and try to get involved as a regular non-gsoc contributor. Try to find something that you're excited about.
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17:19.55Umairhi
17:22.11mmadia!studentguide
17:22.11gsocbotmmadia: "studentguide" is (#1) http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/, or (#2) http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/
17:22.17mmadia!forget studentguide 1
17:22.17gsocbotmmadia: "studentguide" is http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/
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17:23.39mmadia!stats
17:23.39gsocbotmmadia: I have 2 registered users with 2 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
17:23.59mmadiaodd...
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17:47.26mmadia!forget gsoccable
17:47.26gsocbotmmadia: The operation succeeded.
17:47.32mmadia!forget gsocable
17:47.33gsocbotmmadia: The operation succeeded.
17:47.40mmadia!learn gsocable as "see !eligible."
17:47.40gsocbotmmadia: "gsocable" is see !eligible.
17:48.02mmadia!gsoctimeline
17:48.03gsocbotmmadia: "gsoctimeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs
17:48.06mmadia!forget gsoctimeline
17:48.06gsocbotmmadia: The operation succeeded.
17:48.20mmadia!learn gsoctimeline as "see !timeline."
17:48.20gsocbotmmadia: "gsoctimeline" is see !timeline.
17:48.29mmadia!gsocfaq
17:48.29gsocbotmmadia: "gsocfaq" is http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs
17:48.32mmadia!forget gsocfaq
17:48.32gsocbotmmadia: The operation succeeded.
17:48.48mmadia!learn gsocfaq as "see !faq"
17:48.48gsocbotmmadia: "gsocfaq" is see !faq
17:48.54mmadia!gsocfaqs
17:48.54gsocbotmmadia: "gsocfaqs" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs
17:48.57mmadia!forget gsocfaqs
17:48.57gsocbotmmadia: The operation succeeded.
17:49.04mmadia!learn gsocfaqs as "see !faq"
17:49.06gsocbotmmadia: "gsocfaqs" is see !faq
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17:58.54mmadiahi carols.  while updaing gsocbot's factoids, i noticed !proof leads to a malformed webpage.
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17:59.07carolsmmadia: ah, i see.
17:59.09carols!proof
17:59.09gsocbotcarols: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/studentinfo
17:59.10mmadiaerr, !forms.
17:59.18carols!forms
17:59.19gsocbotcarols: "forms" is http://goo.gl/cJ2gJ and http://goo.gl/1vBZd
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17:59.37carolshm interesting
17:59.37mmadia<PROTECTED>
18:00.12carolswell, we don't have an equivalent page for 2012 since the program just started and we're not accepting proof of enrollment from students yet :-)
18:00.21carolsmaybe we should just have gsocbot un-remember proof and forms
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18:04.54mmadiai'll leave that for now :)
18:05.00mmadia!learn updatestodo as "These factoids need to be updated when GSoC/GCI start: countdown, edit, faq, forms, linkid, meeting, mentorsummit, next, orgsbylang, orgs, ospo, proof, proposal, package, results, result, studentinfo, timeline"
18:05.01gsocbotmmadia: "updatestodo" is These factoids need to be updated when GSoC/GCI start: countdown, edit, faq, forms, linkid, meeting, mentorsummit, next, orgsbylang, orgs, ospo, proof, proposal, package, results, result, studentinfo, timeline
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18:25.44vikash23hello everybody....
18:26.51vikash23i wanted to know that on what basis is the no. of applicants selected by an organization decided.
18:27.08hekateit's in the FAQs
18:27.19vikash23hekate, thanks...
18:27.23hekatenp
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18:53.56qwefsdWhat is the percentage of accepted students every year ?
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19:04.09ThomasWaldmannqwefsd: it's not the lottery, so the number likely would not help you
19:04.45JohnskneesIts probably num_accepted/num_applied * 100
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19:05.17qwefsdThomasWaldmann, hahah :) You are right mate, but i want to see if it is like 80% or like 20% :)
19:06.03qwefsdJohnsknees, what is the num_applied ? :-p
19:06.27poundifdefAs a potential mentor, I am actually more interested in what makes a great mentoring organization, and how to emulate that to be able to actually host a project for students to work on.
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19:07.17JohnskneesThere seems to be a running theme of check the FAQ's on here. I have no idea how to answer either question.
19:07.33mmadia!orgs | poundifdef
19:07.33gsocbotpoundifdef: "orgs" is The list of mentoring organizations is at http://goo.gl/0juf3
19:07.33ThomasWaldmannpoundifdef: i think there is a link to a "manual" for orgs in the faq
19:08.06Johnskneespoundifdef: What org you work for?
19:08.07mmadia!mentorsguide
19:08.07gsocbotmmadia: "mentorsguide" is http://www.booki.cc/gsoc-mentoring/_v/1.0/about-this-manual/
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19:09.00poundifdefmmadia: oof, that link 404s for me
19:09.36mmadia!forget mentorsguide
19:09.37gsocbotmmadia: The operation succeeded.
19:09.44mmadia!learn mentorsguide as http://www.booki.cc/gsoc-mentoring/about-this-manual/
19:09.44gsocbotmmadia: "mentorsguide" is http://www.booki.cc/gsoc-mentoring/about-this-manual/
19:09.54poundifdefJohnsknees: I maintain an open-source Android app. The community is mainly "me, a few other folks who contribute patches, and users who email me with suggestions"
19:11.40Johnskneespoundifdef: Interesting, link? I have 2 years of Uni learned Java to put to the test on something, wouldn't mind browsing through some code.
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19:12.53Naeblispoundifdef, did you by any chance mentioned it on HN?
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19:14.12poundifdefSure, I'll paste a link. I'm certainly looking for people who want to help out, irrespective of whether we're able to mentor in GSoC. We won't be able to "accept" students into the program until that segment of the timeline. https://github.com/poundifdef/VirginMobileMinutesChecker
19:15.01poundifdefNaeblis: Hahaha, every so often I do try to hawk this app on HN when people are discussing android cell phone plans :)
19:15.17Naeblislol
19:15.58NaeblisI actually just started getting into android dev.
19:17.06Johnskneespoundifdef: I can still contribute regardless, the one thing holding me back is I'm EU...
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19:19.31poundifdefJohnsknees: Certainly it is easier to contribute if you are in the US since this pertains to a US-specific service, but I'm pretty sure we could easily work something out. Right now I'm talking to mentors to see who would be interested and crafting the "ideas" page.
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19:21.06Johnskneespoundifdef: Cool, I'll stay posted. Might fork and help with the bugs in the interim.
19:21.59poundifdefJohnsknees: Sure thing; keep an eye on the wiki; I think that is where "Ideas" will be posted.
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19:25.17Johnskneespoundifdef: Thanks mate
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19:43.11DelphiWorldhttp://www.sensio.no/sensioweb/default_en.aspx?lang=en
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20:38.44NateCSo I'm a sophomore in college, but just got started in the CS program two semesters ago. Have about 8 months of C++ exp. and a bit of Java.
20:38.49NateCAlso worked in webhosting for the past year.
20:38.56NateCThink I would have a chance to get into gsoc this year? Or do I need more experience?
20:39.56Catfish_ManNateC: the best way to decide that is to look at projects that were completed in previous years, and see if you can find one that you could do
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20:40.57NateCThanks, I'll definitely look through those.
20:42.03Catfish_Manmy recollection is that after a year of programming, I couldn't do much of anything ;) but I might have been a slow starter
20:42.31frewsxcvshould we start looking for projects now, or is that something we should wait for
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20:42.49NateCI've programmed on and off a bit over the years, but it's only in the past eight months or so that I really decided to stick with it. Still, I do feel like I'm completely hopeless a lot of the time. =D
20:43.41NateCAt the very least I guess I can look through projects and apply. If it's a no go, that'll at least give me some experience to get a jumpstart on it next year
20:43.54Catfish_Manfrewsxcv: getting involved in open source is almost never a bad idea, regardless of gsoc :)
20:44.35Catfish_ManNateC: I found that some point after my first year I had enough of the concepts down that my rate improvement accelerated dramatically. Keep it up :)
20:44.38frewsxcvwell i've been involved for quite some time, just not sure if the projects i commit to will be participating
20:44.42Catfish_Man*rate of improvement
20:44.56NateCCatfish_Man: Thanks!
20:45.10Catfish_Manfrewsxcv: ah I see, that can be problematic. You can encourage them to apply as mentoring organizations, but in the end it's up to carols & co
20:45.49frewsxcvcarols and co?
20:46.23Catfish_Mancarols is in charge of gsoc, but at least in previous years she wasn't dealing with it alone
20:47.25gevaertsNateC: from an organisation's point of view I'd say you really should not let ideas of not being good enough stop you from taking part.
20:48.07gevaertsI'd actually say that thinking you might not be is an advantage, since it means you actually realise there's still stuff to learn :)
20:48.53gevaertsThere's nothing worse for an organisation than only getting applications from students who are mainly good at thinking they're good
20:48.54NateCGood point, if it can be a motivation for me to work really hard at it, it could be to my advantage. :D
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20:49.09gevaertsWell, that's one of the reasons
20:50.35gevaertsThe other is this old saying of Socrates, that he was the only one who was wise enough to know that he knew nothing. People who really aren't good enough often won't even consider they might not be, so if those who actually do consider it stop applying, we end up with only bad applications
20:50.49gevaertsthinks he isn't expressing himself very well today
20:51.22calibwamgevaerts: I think we understand what you try to say ;)
20:51.34NateCYeah, I see what you're saying
20:52.49gevaertsAh, good :)
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20:54.43JaykayHi :) As i'm in the first semester now, i wanted to apply to the GSOC this year. Then i saw the requirement, "You must be 18 years of age or older on or before April 23, 2012". I was born on the 24th of april '94 (02:35 to be precise). I got so angry about that, that i need to ask: is there any way to be accepted nonetheless?
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21:07.52frewsxcvYOU SHALL NOT PASS
21:07.54frewsxcv:)
21:09.46pralexfrewsxcv: that was cruel, but made me laugh :)
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21:12.44pralexJaykay: You should talk to carols
21:13.34calibwamWhat's happening to the world? People born in '94 in college?
21:14.08Jaykaysorry?
21:14.24gevaertsI can remember when 1994 was the mythical future!
21:14.36Jaykaypralex: does she show up here or is an email more appropriate?
21:14.57Catfish_Mancalibwam: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time
21:15.30Catfish_ManJaykay: she's on irc fairly regularly
21:15.50calibwamCatfish_Man: Isn't there a script that prevent this?
21:16.20pralexJaykay: she is in charge for GSoC (afaik), so she will be here frequently.
21:17.29Jaykayok, thanks :)
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