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| 16:10.40 | *** topic/#gsoc is Welcome to Google Summer of Code 2011! Please read the FAQs - http://goo.gl/Up2Qf and the Timeline - http://goo.gl/0lYPz for more info. |
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| 17:33.56 | JordiGH | So for the mentor unconference... can we give presentations about our projects? |
| 17:34.00 | JordiGH | Would anyone want to listen? :P |
| 17:34.06 | JordiGH | wants to give a presentation about Octave. |
| 17:36.52 | Ivanovic | JordiGH: of course you *can* give presentations about your projects |
| 17:37.13 | Ivanovic | though the chance for others listening would be if you made clear what the benefits for others listening to the talk would be |
| 17:37.31 | JordiGH | Well, we have several projects doing numerical stuff. |
| 17:38.01 | JordiGH | Numpy/Scipy, Scilab... |
| 17:38.03 | JordiGH | Uh. |
| 17:38.06 | JordiGH | I think there are others. |
| 17:38.07 | JordiGH | Well, R. |
| 17:38.22 | JordiGH | I'd like to know what they're up to. And I'd like to tell them what we're up to. |
| 17:38.37 | Ivanovic | so yeah, this would be an option for a talk |
| 17:38.48 | carols | JordiGH: you're more than welcome to put a presentation on the board in a slot and then, if people show up, awesome :-) |
| 17:38.48 | Ivanovic | "current status regarding numerical stuff in open source" |
| 17:39.09 | Ivanovic | as there will likely be some "open source games" meeting, too |
| 17:39.22 | JordiGH | 'Cept I can't call it "open source". :P |
| 17:39.25 | JordiGH | GNU Octave, y'know. :P |
| 17:39.51 | Ivanovic | JordiGH: the question is what is the topic in the respective room |
| 17:40.00 | Ivanovic | what do you plan to discuss overall |
| 17:40.08 | JordiGH | I think I'd like some kind of status report of each project. |
| 17:40.13 | Ivanovic | and that is most likely not only octave, but *at least* also octave |
| 17:40.19 | JordiGH | Like, activity, problems we're facing we could solve together... |
| 17:41.39 | JordiGH | Big features each project has worked on (we're pretty stoked about the profiler our GSoC student just gave us). |
| 17:41.56 | JordiGH | Yeah, I'd like some kind of "ohai dere" sort of get-together. |
| 17:42.43 | JordiGH | So, how do I get this ball rolling? Where's the place to discuss this? |
| 17:43.45 | JordiGH | carols: How do I confirm my attendance? I thought I already did. I certainly have what looks like plane tickets and hotel reservations. |
| 17:44.03 | carols | JordiGH: did you fill in the registration form? |
| 17:44.10 | JordiGH | Hm, I think I did... |
| 17:44.12 | JordiGH | goes check. |
| 17:44.16 | carols | great, then you're registered. |
| 17:44.28 | JordiGH | I don't see myself in the spreadsheet, though. |
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| 17:48.42 | Ivanovic | JordiGH: getting the ball rolling will be something rather spontaneous during the meeting |
| 17:48.59 | JordiGH | But I want people to come prepared to give presentations. |
| 17:49.11 | Ivanovic | JordiGH: that is you can prepare some initial (short!) talk as introduction and then switch to discussing and other projects stating what is up with them |
| 17:49.17 | Ivanovic | MUHAHAHAHA |
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| 17:49.22 | Ivanovic | sorry, but that one is a great joke |
| 17:49.43 | Ivanovic | don't expect every org to give some presentation |
| 17:49.51 | JordiGH | I know I can't force them, but if someone actually wants to write a presentation, they should know that it could be useful. |
| 17:49.56 | Ivanovic | the easiest solution is *one* org doing a small intro presentation |
| 17:50.00 | JordiGH | I don't expect every project to give a presentation. |
| 17:50.14 | Ivanovic | and the others saying "yeah, we are doing this the same way" as well as "in that case you use a different approach" |
| 17:50.22 | JordiGH | But for example, if you want to do something like show mailing list activity graphs, that's not something you can do on the spur of the moment. |
| 17:50.26 | Ivanovic | you know, basically a discussion with the room |
| 17:51.36 | kblin | wait, you don't have current mailing list activity graphs on your laptop for emergency presentation needs? |
| 17:51.38 | JordiGH | Right, but a discussion would be more fun if we have some data to discuss, and that requires preparation. |
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| 17:52.34 | JordiGH | I just want to say, "hey, guys, wouldn't it be cool if we came prepared?" If they say, "no, that's lame", fine, but I want to ask. How do you suggest I ask? |
| 17:52.41 | Ivanovic | honestly JordiGH, what kind of things do you plan to discuss and analyse? |
| 17:53.27 | Ivanovic | mailing list activity graphs sounds rather, uhm, formal conference hardcore stuff like |
| 17:53.30 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 17:53.40 | carols | JordiGH: if you're not on the spreadsheet then I would recommend you register :-) |
| 17:53.43 | JordiGH | The overall activity of each project, big things each project is doing, the "health" or "pulse" of the project, problems we're facing (and hey, if we're all facing the same problem, let's fix it together). Actually, I know of at least one problem we're all facing together: http://jordi.inversethought.com/blog/arpack-situation/ |
| 17:53.55 | Ivanovic | JordiGH: in general the best solution is probably to use the mentor ML since there is no other way to potentially reach all mentors attending |
| 17:56.05 | dberkholz | kblin: markmail can do that pretty quickly. =P |
| 17:56.08 | Ivanovic | there mention that you'd like to discuss things regarding "projects related to numerical stuff" during the summit and invite anyone else interested to also prepare some small slides |
| 17:56.35 | Ivanovic | kblin: honestly, for those "50 mails per year" you don't need to have real stats, right? |
| 17:56.53 | kblin | dberkholz: I don't have those, and I wouldn't want to bore anyone with figures like that either :) |
| 17:56.55 | dberkholz | JordiGH: my approach to "presentations" at unconferences like this is to avoid slides like the plague, and instead make heavy use of whiteboards to draw stuff |
| 17:57.07 | kblin | I prefer to show cool stuff :D |
| 17:57.09 | dberkholz | JordiGH: possible with a sheaf of notes so i remember everything i wanted to cover |
| 17:58.03 | dberkholz | that way it feels more informal, like a discussion |
| 17:58.25 | Ivanovic | jepp, informal is the way to go! |
| 17:58.46 | dberkholz | if everyone present wanted to present their specific project, we wouldn't have time to do anything |
| 17:58.49 | aghisla | something like http://www.anti-powerpoint-party.com/ |
| 17:58.55 | JordiGH | Ivanovic: Btw, are you Slavic? |
| 17:59.02 | Ivanovic | JordiGH: nope |
| 17:59.07 | dberkholz | kblin: yeah, demos are good too. |
| 17:59.31 | dberkholz | just gotta keep things interactive and make it so people can jump in |
| 17:59.31 | kblin | dberkholz: like I'm going to demo the DNS server I finished last night in an hour :) |
| 17:59.55 | JordiGH | aghisla: Great, so beamer is still fine? |
| 17:59.57 | JordiGH | ;-) |
| 18:00.10 | aghisla | yes, but don't write too much :D |
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| 18:04.37 | JordiGH | Oh, wait, there I am in the spreadsheet. Row 92. |
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| 19:46.25 | agliodbs | carols: you know, I don't think I ever got the original email |
| 19:46.32 | agliodbs | carols: actually, any of those emails |
| 19:46.36 | carols | agliodbs: the one to the mentors list? |
| 19:47.09 | agliodbs | yeah, I'm getting other stuff |
| 19:47.15 | carols | agliodbs: weird. |
| 19:47.22 | agliodbs | but I don't see any emails from you about payment paperwork |
| 19:47.28 | carols | agliodbs: strange |
| 19:48.02 | agliodbs | could be hub.org |
| 19:48.07 | agliodbs | see if you hear the same from anyone else |
| 19:48.56 | carols | sure, ill see if anyone else says they didn't receive them |
| 19:49.36 | Ivanovic | which mails? |
| 19:49.49 | Ivanovic | those regarding final payment stuff were (initially) *ages* ago |
| 19:50.08 | agliodbs | oh? how long again? |
| 19:50.15 | agliodbs | maybe I'm not looking back far enough |
| 19:50.40 | carols | agliodbs: my inital email about payments was sent on jul 25 |
| 19:50.46 | Ivanovic | agliodbs: end of july was the start of "[Announce] GSoC 2011 Org Admins: Mentor Stipends + GSoC Mentor Summit Travel Payments" |
| 19:51.15 | agliodbs | ah, ok! |
| 19:51.17 | agliodbs | there we go |
| 19:51.23 | agliodbs | sorry, I was only looking after the end of GSOC |
| 19:51.36 | Ivanovic | agliodbs: yeah, all this stuff was done early so that orgs actually had time to get things sorted out |
| 19:51.56 | agliodbs | carols: since we're getting payment through SPI, is anything required other than an email telling you so? |
| 19:51.59 | Ivanovic | especially the new and smaller orgs since they might not have payment processes ready at that time |
| 19:52.17 | carols | agliodbs: no, nothing else. just a note that you're doing it that way |
| 19:52.24 | agliodbs | ok. do you need an invoice? |
| 19:52.40 | carols | agliodbs: from spi, yes. but i haven't gotten a request from spi for a po yet, so that would be first. |
| 19:52.47 | agliodbs | ok |
| 19:53.16 | Ivanovic | wow, so they are rather late... |
| 19:53.25 | agliodbs | hmmm, one project didn't make it to miderms. should we bill mentor fee for that one? |
| 19:53.37 | agliodbs | didn't make it past midterms, that is |
| 19:53.39 | carols | Ivanovic: yeah, that whole starting-early-in-the-year thing made not much difference :-) |
| 19:53.52 | carols | agliodbs: yes, you get paid whether the student passes or fails. |
| 19:53.58 | gevaerts | wonders if the rockbox PO has been requested yet... Best ask the people who need to do that |
| 19:54.00 | Ivanovic | agliodbs: you get paid for every slot you had |
| 19:54.15 | carols | gevaerts: i can tell you it hasn't :-) |
| 19:54.31 | gevaerts | carols: ah, good to know. I'll go and poke some people |
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| 19:54.49 | carols | gevaerts: thanks. :-) they've received an email directly from me, but more reminders are always good |
| 19:56.40 | Ivanovic | is sure that wesnoth does have the po number though probably not handed in the bills yet... |
| 19:57.04 | carols | Ivanovic: luckily you dont have to hand in the bills until december at the latest |
| 19:57.32 | Ivanovic | carols: i asked noy to do it soon anyway so that this is actually done |
| 19:57.39 | carols | Ivanovic: cool |
| 19:57.59 | Ivanovic | that is: he is currently trying to sort some tax stuff out, once that is done he'll bill google |
| 19:58.05 | carols | great |
| 19:58.17 | Ivanovic | no idea how long the tax hell will occupy him though |
| 19:58.19 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 20:00.59 | agliodbs | well, I feel kind of guilty about accepting the mentor fee for so little work, but we'll use the money for other student stuff |
| 20:01.13 | agliodbs | we're spending around $7000 to send students to PostgreSQL conferences |
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| 20:04.07 | Ivanovic | nice one! |
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| 20:59.21 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 21:05.18 | gevaerts | Tea sounds like a good idea! |
| 21:05.34 | carols | yes, yes it does :-) |
| 21:06.12 | gevaerts | It'll be a reward for successful poking :) |
| 21:06.20 | carols | :-) |
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| 21:19.29 | lh | enjoys the coffee |
| 21:19.31 | lh | thank you, carols |
| 21:19.34 | carols | hey lh :-) |
| 21:19.49 | lh | it is always nice to see you, kind lady. :) |
| 21:19.55 | agliodbs | hey lh! |
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| 21:20.00 | lh | i should actually go get myself some meatspace coffee.... bbialb |
| 21:20.04 | carols | likewise :-) |
| 21:20.06 | lh | agliodbs: how are you? :) |
| 21:20.12 | agliodbs | crazy busy |
| 21:20.16 | agliodbs | flying to Moscow tommorrow |
| 21:21.41 | agliodbs | you? |
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| 21:34.40 | lh | agliodbs: very well thank you. also a bit crazy busy in the best possible way. |
| 21:34.49 | lh | agliodbs: have fun in moscow - safe travels! |
| 21:36.37 | summatusmentis | hi lh, how goes? |
| 21:38.03 | summatusmentis | oops, got a bus to catch |
| 21:38.24 | lh | summatusmentis: i am well, thank you. go catch your bus! |
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