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| 00:51.14 | atagar | Hmm, the faq says that org admins are able to see evaluations however I'm not spotting it in the melange interface. How do I check which mentors haven't yet filled out the midterm evals? |
| 00:51.30 | atagar | Also, when selecting "Accepted Projects" it gives "Error retrieving data: please refresh the list or the whole page to try again", and selecting my org's homepage results in a 500 server error. (not sure if this is a known issue) |
| 00:52.24 | atagar | ahh, discussed earlier - nm on the server errors |
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| 01:22.17 | higery | Hi, why I cann't see my midterm evaluation form? |
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| 04:38.17 | anth_x | in years past, as an admin i could see which mentors/students have submitted their evaluations. is that somewhere i'm just not seeing this year? |
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| 04:47.47 | ojwb | anth_x: I think there are some pending changes in that area |
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| 04:48.17 | ojwb | you can just add yourself as a mentor for each project (though that'll get dull if you're a large org) |
| 04:49.00 | anth_x | that would let me see it? for projects i'm a mentor for, where can i see the status? |
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| 05:13.46 | ojwb | anth_x: dashboard |
| 05:14.53 | anth_x | oh, i see the mentor evaluation, but not the student. as an admin, i'm trying to make sure everyone gets things in on the deadline. |
| 05:15.14 | anth_x | (one of our repeat mentors this year came really close to missing it last year) |
| 05:15.50 | ojwb | well, the student is only making things hard for themselves if they miss the deadline |
| 05:15.55 | ojwb | as it'll probably delay their payment |
| 05:16.23 | ojwb | just remind them there's a deadline, and no reason to leave it |
| 05:17.40 | ojwb | i don't think it reflects badly on the org if the student doesn't fill in theirs in time |
| 05:19.26 | anth_x | good enough, i guess. thanks. |
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| 05:51.42 | jrabbit | can you save it before submitting? |
| 05:52.22 | kblin | nope |
| 05:52.34 | kblin | but you can go back to edit until the deadline |
| 05:52.49 | jrabbit | that works |
| 05:53.21 | ojwb | you do have to fill in all the required fields in some way though |
| 05:53.47 | jrabbit | I was more worried about being tired and overlooking it |
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| 07:57.26 | xdxn | Hi all, i want to make sure that is the submission of the evaluation form under My Dashboard/Evaluations/ the only thing we need to do for the mid-term evaluation? |
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| 10:31.43 | haseeb | !next |
| 10:31.44 | gsocbot | haseeb: "next" is July 11th - Mentors and students can begin submitting mid-term evaluations. July 15th - Mid-term evaluations deadline |
| 10:33.21 | MatzeWilkes | !forget next |
| 10:33.22 | gsocbot | MatzeWilkes: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:34.00 | MatzeWilkes | !learn next as July 15th - Mid-term evaluations deadline, any evaluations missing after this deadline will cause student payment to be delayed. |
| 10:34.01 | gsocbot | MatzeWilkes: "next" is July 15th - Mid-term evaluations deadline, any evaluations missing after this deadline will cause student payment to be delayed. |
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| 10:37.22 | kai | MatzeWilkes: thanks :) |
| 10:37.42 | MatzeWilkes | :) |
| 10:38.20 | MatzeWilkes | kai: So, my student couldn't find me on Skype in time for our meeting last night, it seems skype usernames aren't unique |
| 10:38.35 | MatzeWilkes | (I wish for a 'sei' equivalent in english so much) |
| 10:39.38 | kai | hm? |
| 10:39.59 | MatzeWilkes | That's why the meeting was missed :( |
| 10:40.07 | MatzeWilkes | seems there are multiple matthew_wilkes accounts |
| 10:40.18 | MatzeWilkes | I couldn't see the others, must be limited geographically |
| 10:40.42 | kai | yeah, I got that part, I'm failing to see where a "sei" would come in there |
| 10:41.49 | MatzeWilkes | something along the lines of "Benutzernamen sei nicht eindeutig" |
| 10:42.14 | MatzeWilkes | as in, "some joker has said this" |
| 10:42.39 | kai | ah |
| 10:42.54 | kai | I was thinking in a maths context |
| 10:43.11 | MatzeWilkes | what's it used for there? |
| 10:43.22 | MatzeWilkes | I didn't come in contact with much spoken-aloud maths |
| 10:43.30 | kai | "Sei epsilon gröÃer 0" |
| 10:44.03 | MatzeWilkes | ah |
| 10:44.31 | MatzeWilkes | the only one i really used was =, which was "isgleich" usually |
| 10:44.46 | kai | or anything else you need to define beforehand... |
| 10:44.58 | kai | "sei 2 ungerade" |
| 10:45.12 | kai | I mean, in maths everything goes as long as you define it |
| 10:45.21 | MatzeWilkes | indeed, and that's fine |
| 10:45.31 | kai | sure |
| 10:45.34 | MatzeWilkes | People get annoyed when i complain about sci-fi films making minor errors |
| 10:45.44 | MatzeWilkes | they defined big things, the least they can do is be consistent |
| 10:46.16 | MatzeWilkes | I know we don't have classical FTL drives, but they defined they exist, so they're fine, as long as they don't screw it up |
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| 10:47.11 | kai | right |
| 10:47.42 | kai | I mean you can easily get everywhere you want if you have an infinite improbability generator |
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| 10:48.48 | scorche | but is it probably that we would have one? |
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| 10:49.07 | scorche | s/probably/probable |
| 10:49.37 | kai | scorche: I'd say it's only very unlikely |
| 10:49.53 | kai | so all you need is a finite improbability generator |
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| 10:50.16 | kai | which you can iteratively improve until you have one that's unlikely enough |
| 10:50.39 | MatzeWilkes | kai: And the desire to stop using one to remove women's clothing |
| 10:51.15 | kai | there's that. that's physicists for you, though |
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| 10:53.45 | MatzeWilkes | Ah, fit the sixteenth, there we go |
| 10:53.50 | MatzeWilkes | roll on the cathedral of hate |
| 10:58.37 | kai | ? |
| 11:00.44 | kai | you make even less sense than the SQL stuff I'm currently looking into |
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| 11:03.00 | ojwb | HHGttG is divided into "fits" |
| 11:03.16 | ojwb | and the cathedral of hate is a place in it |
| 11:03.30 | ojwb | maybe it's only the radio series which has the fits |
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| 16:18.31 | chx | hi. can org admins see student evals? |
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| 16:30.44 | neverpanic | chx: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#evals |
| 16:33.19 | chx | "students... evaluations will only be visible in the system to the mentoring organization's administrator(s)." |
| 16:33.24 | chx | I am an org admin. |
| 16:34.02 | chx | I go to http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/evaluations/google/gsoc2011/drupal and only see mentor evaluations. Not sure how the FAQ helped me. |
| 16:34.34 | anth_x | admins could in years past. i believe there's an update pending, but i'm not sure if it addresses this. |
| 16:34.48 | Ivanovic | chx: you *can* see your mentor evaluations? |
| 16:34.49 | Ivanovic | where? |
| 16:35.13 | anth_x | the link he posted; change drupal to your org link_id. |
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| 16:35.44 | Ivanovic | ah, right |
| 16:35.55 | Ivanovic | chx: might be that those only become accessible *after* the deadline |
| 16:36.36 | SRabbelier | ah, student evaluations, hmm, good poitn |
| 16:37.46 | chx | SRabbelier: oh hi! :) |
| 16:38.18 | chx | Ivanovic: well i need to see them to nudge those that are behind and fill in for the lackeys on friday |
| 16:38.38 | Ivanovic | yeah |
| 16:41.17 | anth_x | do students get the pass/fail notification when an evaluation is submitted, or some time after the deadline? |
| 16:42.40 | Ivanovic | anth_x: only after the deadline |
| 16:42.50 | Ivanovic | since it can be changed/adjusted any time during evals |
| 16:43.04 | anth_x | as expected; thanks. |
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| 16:45.20 | redDragon2011 | btw what happens if the mentor forgets to submit the evaluation |
| 16:45.21 | redDragon2011 | ? |
| 16:45.33 | Ivanovic | then the org has a problem |
| 16:46.09 | redDragon2011 | so are there any reminders sent to the mentor or something? or do the students need to remind them |
| 16:46.23 | Ivanovic | the mentors are meant to act on their own |
| 16:46.30 | anth_x | i'd expect the org admin to (i am for mine). |
| 16:46.37 | anth_x | (to remind them, that is) |
| 16:46.40 | Ivanovic | and the org admins are meant to make sure that the mentors of their org meet the deadlines |
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| 16:48.14 | chx | yeah we are prodding our mentors |
| 16:48.32 | chx | and also -- admins can fill in for mentors |
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| 18:09.01 | dis | carols: i know this has been asked before.. What billing address should be used when shopping on amazon ? Google's ? |
| 18:09.16 | carols | dls: are you outside the US? |
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| 18:09.25 | carols | sorry dis |
| 18:10.35 | dis | carols: yes |
| 18:10.51 | carols | dis: yes, you should use google's address as the billing address. |
| 18:11.06 | dis | thanks |
| 18:11.18 | carols | yw |
| 18:11.27 | redache | dis: When I've done it before the retailer tended to be smart enough to not send invoices to Google so using their billing address is fine in that regard :) |
| 18:11.46 | agliodbs | carols: we have a student who's on an "early schedule"; he started on may 1 and expects to complete his project by August 1 |
| 18:11.55 | carols | agliodbs: cool :-) |
| 18:12.08 | agliodbs | carols: partly this is because he's going to be completely uncontactable August 8-31 |
| 18:12.15 | carols | alrught |
| 18:12.19 | carols | alright, even |
| 18:12.19 | agliodbs | carols: how do I deal with his final evaluation? |
| 18:12.50 | carols | agliodbs: you would evaluate him on the same criteria you used for evaluating his project as to whether he passes or fails. just submit the evaluation when the window opens |
| 18:13.27 | agliodbs | no, I'm not talking about the mentor evaluation. his mentor is available |
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| 18:13.37 | agliodbs | I'm taking about his final evaluation of the mentor etc. |
| 18:13.40 | carols | agliodbs: oh, then i guess i misunderstood the question. |
| 18:14.00 | carols | agliodbs: he's not going to have access to the internet at all while the window's open? |
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| 18:18.52 | dberkholz | solardiz: ping me whenever you've got some free time |
| 18:19.17 | agliodbs | carols: it's likely that he won't |
| 18:19.24 | solardiz | hi dberkholz |
| 18:20.19 | carols | agliodbs: then that's probably something to email me about and i'll need to work out with the melange guys. we've opened the survey early for some students who would simply be gone the week of, but if he's going to be gone the entire month of august that's more complex. |
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| 18:36.09 | kugel | carols: ping |
| 18:36.28 | carols | kugel: pong |
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| 18:37.27 | kugel | carols: do I understand it correctly that I can open the mid term evals multiple times, it's just that I need to start from scratch each time? |
| 18:37.39 | madrazr | kugel: no |
| 18:37.56 | madrazr | kugel: you need not start from scratch each time, once you submit it the evaluation is saved |
| 18:38.11 | madrazr | kugel: and when you open again you can edit the previous evaluation |
| 18:38.25 | carols | what madrazr said |
| 18:38.42 | kugel | ah |
| 18:38.56 | kugel | so "You must fill out the evaluation entirely in one session, though, as there is no auto-save in Melange yet." is really minor? |
| 18:38.57 | madrazr | kugel: you don't see that behavior? :) |
| 18:39.11 | kugel | I haven't opened it at all yet ;) |
| 18:39.16 | carols | kugel: yes, its minor and worth noting in an email as i did :-) |
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| 18:39.51 | kugel | alright, I was just confused that it was mentioned as it is actually the behavior I'd expect |
| 18:40.34 | carols | kugel: unfortunately that's not the case for all mentors :-) |
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| 18:51.06 | gevaerts | hopes that kugel will say nice things about his mentor :) |
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| 18:53.54 | dberkholz | so that doesn't even mean what it sounds like. you don't need to fill it out in one session at all, you just need to click save/submit when you're done working on it, and come back later |
| 18:53.54 | kugel | gevaerts: sure :) |
| 18:54.15 | gevaerts | kugel: good :) |
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| 18:56.02 | solardiz | carols: one of our students might not be available to fill out his midterm eval form this week (i am trying to find this out). he's otherwise ok with his project (started early, submitted code that's now in a released version of the program, etc.) |
| 18:56.41 | carols | solardiz: no access to internet this week at all? |
| 18:57.00 | carols | wonders where it is these students are going that has no internet |
| 18:57.20 | solardiz | carols: how much of a problem is this? should we handle it in some specific way? fyi, it's the student who was hospitalized in Canada in May - he had to return to his home country, India, because of his health condition recently |
| 18:57.32 | solardiz | carols: yes, he might not have a workplace in India yet |
| 18:58.07 | carols | solardiz: if he doesn't submit an evaluation of his mentor he will be failed. we'll have to go back and manually change the decision after the fact. |
| 18:59.18 | akashm1990 | carols, its not surprising, Indias 2nd largest telco is not giving connections till 20th.. so he may be stuck w/o internet if he changes his residence |
| 18:59.21 | solardiz | carols: understood. unless something really bad happens to him in real life, i have no doubt that he'll complete the project, even if outside of the gsoc program. (he had been contributing before) |
| 18:59.56 | carols | solardiz: yeah, please email me to let me know this. it'll have to be me who goes in and manually changes the evaluation. |
| 19:00.16 | carols | looks at the melange developers in the hopes they'll come up with a solution to this problem next year |
| 19:00.32 | solardiz | carols: will do. for now, we have two days more, and maybe he'll manage to get online during this time. |
| 19:00.40 | carols | solardiz: ok |
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| 20:00.14 | krkhan | carols: are kml map for soc 10 and 11 available somewhere? |
| 20:00.42 | carols | krkhan: i'm not sure what you're referring to? |
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| 20:03.50 | carols | serves some tea and cookies |
| 20:04.04 | gevaerts | could use some tea |
| 20:06.04 | carols | hey gevaerts :-) |
| 20:06.09 | carols | how are your midterms? |
| 20:06.35 | gevaerts | I'm pretty happy about things |
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| 20:07.11 | gevaerts | And I think the mentor of our other project is happy too |
| 20:07.19 | gevaerts | So it's great :) |
| 20:08.10 | carols | awesome :-D |
| 20:08.13 | carols | I'm glad to hear that |
| 20:09.33 | gevaerts | I just hope that the students involved are also happy about the mentoring :) |
| 20:09.43 | krkhan | carols: for earlier soc's, we had a kml map showing locations of students and mentors in google earth |
| 20:09.49 | carols | gevaerts: as do i :-) |
| 20:09.51 | krkhan | e.g. http://code.google.com/soc/2007/ has link to one |
| 20:09.53 | carols | krkhan: link? |
| 20:09.55 | carols | thanks |
| 20:10.16 | carols | krkhan: ah, yeah. we've stopped doing that |
| 20:10.16 | krkhan | http://code.google.com/soc/soc_map2007.kml |
| 20:10.28 | carols | we just do sanitized pie charts now |
| 20:10.57 | krkhan | oh :( it was really nice to see who's based where. is it possible to have that sort of information now? |
| 20:11.26 | carols | krkhan: no, we made the decision the privacy of the students who participated in gsoc outweighs the possible benefit of a map like that |
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| 20:13.33 | mmadia | is it possible for org admins to view either the status or the content of their students' evaluations? |
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| 20:15.56 | krkhan | carols: okay, understandable. perhaps next year students can be asked to opt in for the map. anyways, will the statistics spreadsheet be updated for 11 or is that abandoned as well? |
| 20:16.00 | krkhan | https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AgL4N-OdGxhQcDZEdW9BMmxKVG9LbVV6b1NxNnJhWlE&gid=2 |
| 20:16.28 | carols | krkhan: yes, it will be updated at the end of the year. i've got about 400 things i'm doing and that's something we wait until the end to do. |
| 20:16.37 | carols | its not exactly highest priority for me right now |
| 20:17.20 | carols | mmadia: SRabbelier has a fix, he can tell you about it |
| 20:17.31 | SRabbelier | mmadia: am verifying that it works :) |
| 20:17.54 | mmadia | good to hear. thank you both :) |
| 20:17.57 | SRabbelier | hmm, hard to test since I'm a dev |
| 20:18.01 | SRabbelier | mmadia: can you try the following |
| 20:18.07 | SRabbelier | go to the org admin dashboard |
| 20:18.20 | mmadia | is there. |
| 20:18.29 | SRabbelier | click through to the evaluation you want to look at |
| 20:18.34 | SRabbelier | (this will take you to the _mentor_ evaluation) |
| 20:18.40 | SRabbelier | and then in the url replace /mentor with /student |
| 20:18.57 | krkhan | carols: that's great i just wanted to to know if at some later date we'll be able to see the detailed stats. obviously it's not terribly important. thanks for explaining |
| 20:19.02 | mmadia | "This page is inaccessible because you do not have a student role in the program." SRabbelier |
| 20:19.11 | SRabbelier | mmadia: ah, hmm |
| 20:19.20 | carols | krkhan: of course |
| 20:19.40 | SRabbelier | you need the r/o version |
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| 20:26.51 | krkhan | carols: another thing i wanted to ask was about the cards. my card worked great last year, and this year i received the card but haven't given it a go yet. i don't want to withdraw any cash right now (will do it once after the summer). is it okay to not use it right now or do i *have* to withdraw an amount to make sure it works? |
| 20:27.19 | carols | krkhan: its your card; you can do with it as you please. so withdraw whatever you want whenever you want. |
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| 20:28.52 | krkhan | carols: okay, thanks again for explaining :) |
| 20:28.58 | carols | krkhan: you're welcome. |
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| 20:34.04 | carols | thinks the org admin dashboard looks great :-) |
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| 20:43.37 | dberkholz | oh, is it up? |
| 20:43.57 | dberkholz | scrolls back |
| 20:44.23 | dberkholz | cool, it told me that i can now apply to gsoc |
| 20:44.45 | carols | dberkholz: awesome news :-) |
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| 20:45.14 | chrisoelmueller | yay, mine as well :) |
| 20:46.05 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: from a UI point of view, i'd like to see both mentor and student eval status in the same table instead of two separate ones. is that in the cards? |
| 20:46.20 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: no, two tables though, yes |
| 20:46.34 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: why do you want them in the same table? |
| 20:46.57 | dberkholz | otherwise you're duplicating everything but the status column |
| 20:47.03 | dberkholz | so i have to scroll all over the place to do anything |
| 20:47.14 | dberkholz | a lot like the existing dashboard with both proposals and projects |
| 20:48.05 | chrisoelmueller | SRabbelier: am I supposed to see more tables than the mentor evaluations one? |
| 20:48.30 | SRabbelier | chrisoelmueller: nope, not yet |
| 20:48.46 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: but then where do you go when you click on the row? |
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| 20:49.20 | dberkholz | i'd click on the status to get to an eval. dunno what the rest of the columns would do, maybe link back to the project |
| 20:49.44 | chrisoelmueller | how about offering the student-evaluation link in the student cell and mentor-evaluatino link in the mentor cell? |
| 20:50.34 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: i'd also like to see some indication of pass vs fail on the dashboard |
| 20:50.37 | SRabbelier | I don't know that it'd be obvious that there's two different click targets |
| 20:50.44 | SRabbelier | all other lists go to the same place when you click them |
| 20:50.49 | SRabbelier | regardless of where you click |
| 20:51.46 | chx | I know I am impatient but while the new dashboard looks great , where are the student evals :) ? |
| 20:52.21 | dberkholz | i see where you're coming from on that |
| 20:53.54 | SRabbelier | chx: tomorrow I guess :) |
| 20:54.01 | chx | SRabbelier: tomorrow is great |
| 20:54.42 | dberkholz | pass/fail would be a lot more helpful |
| 20:54.46 | SRabbelier | chx: carols is sending the students/mentors automated reminders now |
| 20:54.55 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: first thing tomorrow morning |
| 20:55.07 | chx | I am only worried about one mentor not filling in time -- he is a great contributor, he is a great mentor but he has some sort of aversion to forms i guess 'cos we have problems every year but i really dont want to remove him from mentoring just for that. He is too good. What would you do? |
| 20:55.18 | chx | SRabbelier: oh great, i just emailed all my mentors :D |
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| 20:55.27 | chx | SRabbelier: cant hurt to double pester them. |
| 20:55.36 | carols | chx: you tell him to get over it :-) |
| 20:55.51 | SRabbelier | chx: add a co-mentor to do the evaluation? |
| 20:56.04 | chx | I threatened the slackers that tomorrow before i go to sleep (that's like midnight pacific) i will tweet the names of those who didnt fill in yet to shame them into filling. |
| 20:56.15 | chx | SRabbelier: huh we can dot aht???? |
| 20:56.21 | chx | SRabbelier: i didnt know we have official comentors |
| 20:56.21 | SRabbelier | chx: yeah |
| 20:56.27 | chx | OH |
| 20:56.35 | SRabbelier | chx: all mentors assigned to the project are equal to Melange |
| 20:56.48 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: also: at the top of each survey result, please supply all the same data that's in the table. that way when i've got 10 open, i can figure out what's what |
| 20:56.54 | chx | we have missed something, i thought a project can have a single mentor |
| 20:57.21 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: as in, who the survey is about? heh |
| 20:57.27 | dberkholz | yep. |
| 20:57.29 | chx | we were keeping the multiple-mentor info internally i think ( i am just keeping them in my head anyways ) |
| 20:57.37 | dberkholz | usernames in the URL are not always informative |
| 20:57.50 | Nightrose | can someone give me the link for the org admin evaluation overview please? |
| 20:58.04 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: it's in your sidebar |
| 20:58.08 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: the org admin dashboard |
| 20:58.12 | Nightrose | ohhh it is now? |
| 20:58.12 | Nightrose | thx |
| 20:58.28 | chx | yeah it's great |
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| 21:01.59 | jorm | Hi. I'm having difficulty submitting my midterm evaluation. |
| 21:02.03 | alinrus | are the mentors notified if they haven't submitted the evaluation? |
| 21:02.06 | jorm | The link that I've been given in an email is a 404. |
| 21:02.14 | carols | alinrus: yes |
| 21:02.19 | carols | jorm: SRabbelier can help |
| 21:02.23 | jorm | Yes, I just got notified. But the link is a 404, and there's no obvious way on the site to get to my evaluation. |
| 21:02.38 | SRabbelier | jorm: on your dashboard it should be there |
| 21:02.45 | SRabbelier | jorm: what link did you get in the email? |
| 21:03.15 | jorm | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/grading_project_survey/take/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/midterm |
| 21:03.27 | jorm | i logged into melange; i don't see a dashboard. |
| 21:03.33 | jorm | i see a "submit to be a mentor" thing. |
| 21:04.07 | SRabbelier | !screenshot | jorm |
| 21:04.08 | gsocbot | jorm: "screenshot" is Please provide a screenshot illustrating your problem, we recommend http://www.awesomescreenshot.com for easy screenshotting. |
| 21:04.20 | chx | hey only three student reminders! |
| 21:04.29 | jorm | oh, cripes. |
| 21:04.31 | SRabbelier | yeah |
| 21:04.32 | SRabbelier | great |
| 21:04.35 | jorm | this is done with my personal account, not my work account. |
| 21:04.39 | SRabbelier | the link is broken |
| 21:05.26 | chx | ah no, the mails are still coming in :( |
| 21:05.48 | jorm | well, it's still broken with me logged into the correct account. |
| 21:06.07 | chx | the links in the mail are borken? |
| 21:06.19 | chx | looks like :*( |
| 21:06.20 | Talad | very nice to have the org admin dashboard!! |
| 21:06.25 | Talad | cool feature |
| 21:07.07 | SRabbelier | Talad: glad you like it, we'll be adding/moving some more data to it soon |
| 21:07.21 | jorm | k. i'm on it now. |
| 21:07.24 | jorm | thanks, guys! |
| 21:07.24 | SRabbelier | jorm: the evaluations list in yor rdashboard is empty? |
| 21:07.30 | jorm | no, i found it. |
| 21:07.33 | SRabbelier | jorm: what was the problem? |
| 21:07.50 | jorm | i didn't have a dashboard because i was logging in as "bharris@wikimedia.org", but i'm signed up as "jormosaurusrex@gmail.com" |
| 21:08.03 | jorm | this started before we got our work accounts merged with googleapps. |
| 21:08.13 | SRabbelier | ah, ok :) |
| 21:08.22 | jorm | So, two problems: one is the 404; the other existed between user and computer. |
| 21:08.33 | SRabbelier | you can use google-melange.com/login to switch accounts if you have multiple signin enabled |
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| 21:10.05 | chx | SRabbelier: so yeah -- some people report that link being 404 should i reply them to use the correct account or it's really 404? |
| 21:10.20 | SRabbelier | chx: yeah the link is actually wrong |
| 21:10.25 | SRabbelier | chx: it's last year's link :P |
| 21:10.31 | chx | :( |
| 21:10.34 | SRabbelier | chx: tell them to go to their dashboard |
| 21:10.38 | SRabbelier | chx: that should work just fine |
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| 21:13.42 | jorm | and done! |
| 21:13.43 | downeym | SRabbelier: any way to do a redirect? |
| 21:13.44 | jorm | thanks, guys. |
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| 21:14.08 | SRabbelier | downeym: we'll fix the link and send another reminder :) |
| 21:14.30 | downeym | closes his gmail tab for the day :) |
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| 22:10.39 | qizmai | what exactly are the midterm evaluations ? I have an evaluation survey to fill. I know my mentor has too. Is that all? Will I my mentor or somebody else submit my current code to google or any other info? is there anything else expected from me regarding the evaulation |
| 22:10.49 | JordiGH | Eh? So I clicked: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/grading_project_survey/take/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/midterm |
| 22:10.54 | JordiGH | Quoth the server: 404 |
| 22:11.55 | Ivanovic | qizmai: it is only the survey to be done |
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| 22:12.09 | Ivanovic | your coding work is to be submitted as one huge batch after the summer of code |
| 22:12.17 | Ivanovic | submitted to google that is |
| 22:12.36 | Ivanovic | the project should already have access to your work, since they have to do the evaluations based on the code/work done |
| 22:12.38 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 22:12.56 | qizmai | who do you refer by the project |
| 22:13.02 | qizmai | My mentors / org ? |
| 22:13.03 | Ivanovic | your mentor org |
| 22:13.04 | qizmai | or google ? |
| 22:13.53 | qizmai | so google only needs feedback from me and my org to make sure things are ok with both sides. It doesn't review the code and etc.. it leaves that to the orgs ? |
| 22:14.02 | Ivanovic | exactly |
| 22:14.27 | gevaerts | JordiGH: you can get to the evaluation form from your melange dashboard |
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| 22:14.46 | JordiGH | didn't know he had a dashboard. |
| 22:14.48 | JordiGH | Okay, let me see.. |
| 22:14.49 | Ivanovic | qizmai: google tursts in the orgs doing their job |
| 22:15.15 | Ivanovic | s/tursts/trusts |
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| 22:15.49 | qizmai | Ivanovic: Still it sounds a bit weird... As it pays for the whole thing it makes sense to check out what's the actual work done.. |
| 22:16.05 | Ivanovic | qizmai: why? |
| 22:16.15 | Ivanovic | what is wrong in trusting the orgs doing the actual work? |
| 22:17.34 | JordiGH | Sigh... |
| 22:17.52 | JordiGH | The CSS on Melange... assumes that black is the default foreground colour on every browser. |
| 22:17.54 | Ivanovic | time for some sleep, n8 |
| 22:18.03 | JordiGH | So I'm typing light grey on white. :-/ |
| 22:19.00 | qizmai | Uvanovic: Trust is something great, nothing wrong with it. Didn't mean it as a way to keep tracks of the orgs. |
| 22:20.25 | JordiGH | Oh, but it's an ordinary text field, I can edit it in Emacs. \o/ |
| 22:21.10 | gevaerts | qizmai: there's also the practical aspects. Who at google is familiar enough with these projects to review the code, *and* has the time? |
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| 22:23.41 | qizmai | gevaerts: very good point. Thinking of it.. it would be close to impossible to objectively evaluate 1000+ projects in many different scopes. |
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| 22:25.12 | nano- | is there any way for me as an admin to verify that all my mentors have properly sent in their evaluations? (other than the obvious, talking to them) |
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| 22:26.07 | nano- | ehm.. stopid me, missed the big sign saying "org admin dashboard" :D |
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| 22:31.44 | beng-nl | gee |
| 22:31.49 | beng-nl | i missed that too looking for that yesterday |
| 22:31.52 | beng-nl | i wonder if it's new ;) |
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| 22:54.32 | neilk_ | Everyone must be asking this, but how do I submit a mid-term eval? |
| 22:54.36 | neilk_ | I'm a mentor |
| 22:54.44 | neilk_ | The URL melange mailed me is a 404 |
| 22:56.00 | sdimkov | neilk_: My guess is check at your dashboard. My url (as a student) also lended me at 404 but I found a link at my dashboard |
| 22:56.40 | sdimkov | *landed me that is |
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| 22:57.04 | neilk_ | ah, there is an evaluations section, I missed that |
| 22:57.32 | neilk_ | who wrote this melange thing anyway? and why does it get used year after year? It's hopeless |
| 22:57.55 | JordiGH | neilk_: Oh, it's not just me who dislikes it? |
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| 22:58.27 | neilk_ | JordiGH: I had the impression that nobody liked it much |
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| 23:02.01 | Raim | neilk_: send a patch? ;) |
| 23:02.17 | Raim | melange improved a lot over the years |
| 23:02.46 | neilk_ | well, here's the thing, it seems to want to be a project management tool, but it isn't well organized |
| 23:03.15 | neilk_ | we didn't use it in our org to prioritize projects... we just copied it to a Google Doc spreadsheet |
| 23:03.28 | neilk_ | I'm not using it to set todos or whatever with my student |
| 23:03.40 | neilk_ | the only thing I'm using it for is the midterm and possibly the final eval |
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| 23:28.34 | TimoIRC | hi everbody, what is the url of the evaluation please? |
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| 23:30.48 | chx | go to your dashboard |
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| 23:31.00 | Raim | TimoIRC: log in to google-melange.com and it's on your dashboard |
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| 23:40.37 | MarkAtwood | im trying to do my midterm eval, but when i go to http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/grading_project_survey/take/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/midterm which is the URL in the email, it 404s |
| 23:41.14 | scgtrp | MarkAtwood: do it from the melange dashboard instead |
| 23:41.20 | chrisoelmueller | just check your dashboard, the link was mistakenly sent out and is no longer valid this year |
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| 23:53.21 | MarkAtwood | thanks |
| 23:54.06 | MarkAtwood | the question "How much time do you spend on Google Summer of Code per week (take into consideration your interactions with your student as well as time working with your org and on your own)." is interesting... it seems to mean all the time i spend working on the project myself, as well as all the time spent dealing withe the studens' work |
| 23:54.22 | ojwb | MarkAtwood: I don't think that's the intention |
| 23:54.51 | ojwb | I think it's trying to ask you to include interacting with your student, and also time you spend on GSoC but not interacting |
| 23:55.07 | ojwb | like reviewing code, discussions with other mentors/admins, etc |
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| 23:55.29 | MarkAtwood | that makes more sense |