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| 00:06.16 | cbh2000 | Hello, everyone! I'm just wondering, but how does Google select which students to accept? |
| 00:06.34 | bkgood | cbh2000: students are selected by the mentoring organizations |
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| 00:06.50 | cbh2000 | Do they have a limit on the number of students that they may accept? |
| 00:07.04 | bkgood | yeah, they're allocated a number of spots |
| 00:07.08 | cbh2000 | Oh! |
| 00:07.11 | cbh2000 | Thanks. |
| 00:07.15 | bkgood | (by google) |
| 00:07.16 | bkgood | yep |
| 00:07.25 | wtachi | cbh2000: they may also have a limited number of mentors |
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| 00:07.42 | cbh2000 | Is a mentor capped as well? |
| 00:08.24 | wtachi | Google doesn't limit the number of mentors |
| 00:08.41 | cbh2000 | OK. |
| 00:09.16 | cbh2000 | So, with that being said, it is possible to have more than one mentor per student? |
| 00:09.35 | wtachi | cbh2000: yes, in fact that can work better |
| 00:09.51 | cbh2000 | I'm sure. I just never thought of that! :) |
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| 02:12.57 | ankit_frenz | Not again..accepted projects tab is repeatedly crashing my firefox :( |
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| 02:16.18 | idlecool | ankit_frenz, it would be _very_ difficult for a browser to display names of all awesome people at once. ;) |
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| 02:17.33 | ankit_frenz | idlecool: lol :) |
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| 02:18.07 | idlecool | ;) |
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| 02:18.30 | ankit_frenz | btw when can we expect email with further instruction about the certificates,tax forms etc thats needed? |
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| 02:20.00 | rrix | When everyone is on the students list and carols sends the mail, that's when you'll get it :) |
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| 02:25.17 | ankit_frenz | !next |
| 02:25.19 | gsocbot | ankit_frenz: "next" is accepted students get to know their community and mentors (if necessary) |
| 02:25.34 | ankit_frenz | !numapps |
| 02:25.34 | gsocbot | ankit_frenz: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 02:33.10 | BlondeDude | !help |
| 02:33.11 | gsocbot | BlondeDude: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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| 03:24.14 | gsocbot | sanjaysuthar: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 03:25.45 | sanjaysuthar | !numapps |
| 03:25.46 | gsocbot | sanjaysuthar: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 03:54.46 | akashm1990 | Has everyone been enrolled on the students list? |
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| 04:06.42 | DarkSector | !next |
| 04:06.44 | gsocbot | DarkSector: "next" is accepted students get to know their community and mentors (if necessary) |
| 04:06.54 | DarkSector | :) |
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| 04:07.09 | dberkholz | DarkSector: did you get in? |
| 04:07.25 | DarkSector | dberkholz: yes. Really excited. |
| 04:07.32 | dberkholz | DarkSector: which org? what's your project? |
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| 04:07.58 | DarkSector | dberkholz: WorldForge, Wombat Asset Management System by Pronoy Chopra |
| 04:10.02 | dberkholz | cool |
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| 04:37.24 | greeniekin_ | !numapps |
| 04:37.24 | gsocbot | greeniekin_: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 05:18.38 | yeskarthik | Google Melange has blocked my IP for too many requests. can anyone here help me, what do i do now? |
| 05:19.12 | verm__ | yeskarthik: it is very late/early here in north america you will need to show some patience |
| 05:19.37 | verm__ | i would suggest waiting at least 12-15 hours until you can get an effective response, perhaps sooner |
| 05:19.43 | yeskarthik | verm__, sorry didn't realise that. |
| 05:19.50 | verm__ | no worries |
| 05:20.12 | verm__ | someone will help you eventually just hang around :) |
| 05:20.14 | yeskarthik | verm__, will people look into the logs and reply? |
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| 05:20.30 | peeq | s/smpt/smtp |
| 05:20.38 | peeq | oops s/nmpt/nmtp |
| 05:20.39 | verm__ | yeskarthik: maybe, but i would try waiting at least 12 hours before trying again |
| 05:20.54 | yeskarthik | verm__, Okay :) |
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| 06:02.13 | valorie | jljusten: why not file a bug? |
| 06:02.23 | valorie | then you'll know |
| 06:02.29 | valorie | or at least check in #melange |
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| 06:04.10 | jimbozhang | !log |
| 06:04.10 | gsocbot | jimbozhang: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
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| 06:08.20 | gsocbot | akashm1990: I don't recognize you. |
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| 06:09.12 | gsocbot | slashdot: I don't recognize you. |
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| 06:10.41 | akashm1990 | Weird that a Google site, running for a Google program on Google servers manages to exceed its quota(why does it even have one) |
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| 06:11.26 | sri13 | !log |
| 06:11.27 | gsocbot | sri13: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
| 06:11.57 | akashm1990 | !logs | sri13 |
| 06:11.58 | gsocbot | sri13: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 06:12.18 | sri13 | akashm1990: Thanks :) |
| 06:12.28 | sri13 | !next |
| 06:12.29 | gsocbot | sri13: "next" is accepted students get to know their community and mentors (if necessary) |
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| 06:35.06 | subrahmanyam | how get feedback regarding y my project is not selected?? |
| 06:35.29 | subrahmanyam | !next |
| 06:35.31 | gsocbot | subrahmanyam: "next" is accepted students get to know their community and mentors (if necessary) |
| 06:35.49 | subrahmanyam | !numapps |
| 06:35.50 | gsocbot | subrahmanyam: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 06:36.31 | subrahmanyam | how get feedback regarding y my project is not selected?? |
| 06:38.05 | bobbens | subrahmanyam: ask the project you applied for |
| 06:38.31 | subrahmanyam | nobody is responding... |
| 06:38.39 | bobbens | send the mentors a mail |
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| 06:39.53 | subrahmanyam | tried all ways.. |
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| 06:40.47 | bobbens | patience |
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| 06:44.30 | Nightrose | open office is not a gsoc org this year right? |
| 06:44.37 | Nightrose | (can't check the page since it is over quota) |
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| 06:46.33 | aniessh | Hi |
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| 06:56.30 | gdcm|malat | !numapps |
| 06:56.31 | gsocbot | gdcm|malat: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 07:32.56 | vikash | !next |
| 07:32.58 | gsocbot | vikash: "next" is accepted students get to know their community and mentors (if necessary) |
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| 07:34.14 | |Kev| | !learn next as accepted students get to know their community and mentors better. |
| 07:34.15 | gsocbot | |Kev|: "next" is (#1) accepted students get to know their community and mentors (if necessary), or (#2) accepted students get to know their community and mentors better. |
| 07:34.19 | |Kev| | !forget next 1 |
| 07:34.20 | gsocbot | |Kev|: "next" is accepted students get to know their community and mentors better. |
| 07:34.28 | |Kev| | !forget next 1 |
| 07:34.28 | gsocbot | |Kev|: The operation succeeded. |
| 07:34.41 | |Kev| | !learn next as accepted students get to know their community and mentors better. |
| 07:34.41 | gsocbot | |Kev|: "next" is accepted students get to know their community and mentors better. |
| 07:34.44 | |Kev| | Oops. |
| 07:35.11 | vikash | IS there any page for accepted students in pure html... |
| 07:35.41 | Marchael | ++ |
| 07:35.47 | thiago_home | as opposed to HTML with CSS? |
| 07:37.04 | vikash | Anyone please throw some light on this! |
| 07:37.29 | |Kev| | Not as far as I know, no. |
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| 07:39.16 | Marchael | simple html will be nice for mobile clients and slow internet connection |
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| 07:48.32 | dbolser | !next |
| 07:48.33 | gsocbot | dbolser: "next" is accepted students get to know their community and mentors better. |
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| 07:48.48 | dbolser | is it time? |
| 07:49.02 | thiago_home | yes, it's community-bonding time |
| 07:49.05 | dbolser | I'm looking for collaborators to help me 'get the tone right' |
| 07:49.19 | thiago_home | what tone? |
| 07:49.20 | dbolser | thiago_home: is it time to announce gsod? |
| 07:49.41 | dbolser | thiago_home: the tone of gsod: https://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-disappointment |
| 07:50.16 | thiago_home | never heard of it |
| 07:50.26 | dbolser | thiago_home: want to be it? |
| 07:51.12 | dbolser | here is an email I got just this morning, which seems to validate the idea in my eyes... |
| 07:51.20 | madewokherd | I think people will only join your group if they were going to do that anyway |
| 07:51.21 | dbolser | Sir, I want to tell you that in this summers, I would be nearly free for three months and I want to devote my time in learning and doing something new. |
| 07:51.43 | madewokherd | (not saying it's a bad idea, that depends on what you want to accomplish) |
| 07:51.49 | dbolser | madewokherd: right, I wan't to offer some support for those people |
| 07:52.04 | dbolser | in the most efficient way... something like bit torrent ;-) |
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| 07:53.00 | dbolser | mentortorrent |
| 07:53.20 | madewokherd | best help is probably a mentor from the project community in any case |
| 07:53.31 | dbolser | yeah, thats true |
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| 07:53.47 | dbolser | but afaik, most projects don't have too few slots, they have too few mentors |
| 07:54.03 | dbolser | I want to try to create critical student mass |
| 07:54.14 | madewokherd | in that case, will they be able to review any code that gets written? |
| 07:54.45 | dbolser | presumably patches or code submitted via the mailing list will get reviewed in the usual way? |
| 07:55.08 | madewokherd | I guess, but a larger project requires more depth |
| 07:55.10 | dbolser | the idea is to 'get people up to speed' rather than to 'run the distance' of a full blown project |
| 07:55.19 | dbolser | yeah, that's true |
| 07:55.47 | dbolser | but teaching people to clone projects codebase, branch, develop, write tests and submit patches... already a lot of work |
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| 07:57.29 | dbolser | I've been told the tone is wrong, however, so I'm looking for people to be group admins to help try to get it right |
| 07:58.32 | madewokherd | so it's really for self-motivated people who can work out the essential aspects of their pet project and need help with the accidental aspects, in the hope that they can somehow organize and help each other? |
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| 07:59.14 | dbolser | self help for motivated ppl yes |
| 08:00.17 | madewokherd | (on further reflection I think those people will do OK anyway..) |
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| 08:02.49 | madewokherd | right now it sounds like mostly "here are some interesting things to read", which doesn't sound right, but it's hard to say how to do it better |
| 08:03.33 | dbolser | madewokherd: perhaps |
| 08:03.41 | dbolser | madewokherd: oh, the content doesn't exist yet |
| 08:04.03 | dbolser | the group hasn't been advertised, so there is noone to contribute |
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| 08:04.36 | dbolser | many of the students I spoke to were very enthusiastic but totally cluless |
| 08:04.42 | dbolser | (present company excepted) |
| 08:04.45 | madewokherd | (also doesn't the name unfortunately imply affiliation with google?) |
| 08:04.53 | valorie | I guess you should have been in #gsoc-sad today |
| 08:04.59 | dbolser | sad? |
| 08:05.15 | valorie | it was for the disappointed students who didn't get accepted |
| 08:05.32 | dbolser | hehe |
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| 09:16.35 | iveqy | dbolser: your project is good, the problem is that's related to google at all. Google is not evil because they didn't accepted all applications. |
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| 09:17.16 | iveqy | dbolser: your current audiance is people with a free summer, that whants to learn new things AND got rejected by google AND is angry about it |
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| 09:18.07 | laserbled | iveqy, any other "paid" options for them ? ;) |
| 09:18.23 | iveqy | dbolser: drop the last two bits. Rename the project and start something that targets people with at free summer that whants to learn new things. Then you got a lot bigger audiance and bigger chance to succeed |
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| 09:50.03 | hjain | !numstats |
| 09:50.03 | gsocbot | hjain: "numstats" is There are 9 statistics in !numapps. |
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| 09:50.22 | hjain | !numapps |
| 09:50.22 | gsocbot | hjain: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 09:50.27 | kai | facepalms |
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| 09:53.00 | pratikone | hello yuvipanda, congrats for selection in gsoc |
| 09:53.19 | YuviPanda | pratikone, :) to you too! |
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| 09:54.14 | pratikone | yuvipanda, thanks. Same to tsudot. |
| 09:54.34 | tsudot | pratikone, :) |
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| 09:55.40 | tsudot | pratikone, YuviPanda #gsoc-india is awfully quiet |
| 09:56.25 | YuviPanda | tsudot, i thought it was invite only or something? |
| 09:56.53 | pratikone | tsudot, it is not now. I have jumped in. |
| 09:56.55 | tsudot | YuviPanda, No its open :) |
| 09:57.06 | YuviPanda | hmm, interesting! |
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| 10:01.54 | pratikone | Selected GSoC students from INDIA , please join ##gsoc-india |
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| 11:05.11 | dbolser | iveqy: I'll never be as well known as gsoc, hence the 'viral name to piggy back off the publicity of that project |
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| 11:05.29 | dbolser | s/'viral/'viral'/ |
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| 11:28.12 | zfe | hi all |
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| 11:39.16 | Houbsi | !next |
| 11:39.17 | gsocbot | Houbsi: "next" is accepted students get to know their community and mentors better. |
| 11:39.38 | Houbsi | when we will get the mail which asks the "documents"? |
| 11:39.51 | MatthewWilkes | Houbsi: Why do you ask? |
| 11:39.57 | MatthewWilkes | !when | Houbsi |
| 11:39.57 | gsocbot | Houbsi: "when" is later |
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| 11:40.59 | Houbsi | MatthewWilkes: I have to check some informations for taxes.... my parents are divorced and they need to know somethings. |
| 11:41.16 | zfe | Houbsi: i'm sure we will be given enough time |
| 11:41.18 | zfe | to fix things |
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| 11:41.47 | Houbsi | zfe... could I ask someon in a query a couple of questions? |
| 11:41.59 | zfe | i'm not from the google staff |
| 11:42.06 | zfe | brb |
| 11:42.10 | Houbsi | zfe: ah okay :Dsorry |
| 11:42.11 | MatthewWilkes | Houbsi: Just be patient and wait for the request to be sorted out. You will not have the most complicated situation. |
| 11:43.03 | Houbsi | MatthewWilkes: that I didn't say :D my parents are only nervous and they ask me a lot about this ;) |
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| 12:17.53 | CCF|DavidJones | hello darkjames |
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| 12:19.56 | lasek | akashm1990, not yet |
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| 13:23.22 | naeg | I'm wondering whether there are other projects such as GSoC where highschoolers/students can get involved in open source projects and earn a few $? |
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| 13:24.16 | SukhE | !gci | naeg |
| 13:24.16 | gsocbot | naeg: "gci" is gci is Google Code-in: A contest for 13-18 year olds. See http://code.google.com/gci |
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| 13:24.52 | naeg | SukhE: thanks, read that already. but this seems not be for 2011 yet? |
| 13:25.16 | naeg | no what's there beside gsoc and gci, doesn't necessarly have to be from google |
| 13:25.56 | iveqy | naeg: I think KDE has something |
| 13:26.27 | naeg | actually not a KDE guy, but I like qt :) any further hint on what to look for iveqy ? |
| 13:27.05 | gevaerts | naeg: http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2011/04/25/not-accepted-into-gsoc-heres-what-to-do/ may be useful |
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| 13:28.03 | naeg | gevaerts: thanks, the one with KDE is mentioned too |
| 13:28.51 | gevaerts | naeg: well, it's the blog of a KDE person after all :) |
| 13:29.10 | iveqy | naeg: not really, I'm not a KDE guy myself. Maybe ask in #kde? |
| 13:29.42 | naeg | iveqy: already found it in the blog link, thanks |
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| 14:32.21 | gsocbot | liuw: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 14:34.09 | redDragon2011 | having fun with the bot :-) |
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| 15:04.37 | peeq | Hi, what kind of scheduling tools are gsoc students and mentors are using to help manage meetings? Especially with different time zones. |
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| 15:05.33 | beng-nl | peeq: google calendar works well |
| 15:06.03 | nickbarnesccf | just out of interest, what reporting requirements do other orgs place on their students? |
| 15:06.10 | nickbarnesccf | (orgs and mentors) |
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| 15:06.42 | Ivanovic | peeq: things like "clocks" work nicely |
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| 15:06.49 | gevaerts | nickbarnesccf: weekly email reports and irc presence while working for us |
| 15:06.56 | nickbarnesccf | I am applying some experience of managing remote solo developers in industry and requiring a short daily email (e.g. "r581" or "Read and made notes on M&W2009") |
| 15:07.04 | nickbarnesccf | plus a longer weekly email |
| 15:07.05 | Ivanovic | peeq: and doing some simple math like "okay, lets convert the time to UTC" |
| 15:07.05 | peeq | beng-nl, will look into it now, never ever used that. |
| 15:07.11 | nickbarnesccf | and a weekly IRC meeting. |
| 15:07.24 | peeq | Ivanovic, yeah, i have something like that setup in my thunderbird, in status bar |
| 15:07.56 | nickbarnesccf | the major risk on our projects seems to be students getting stuck and not asking for help. |
| 15:08.01 | Ivanovic | though in general the recommendation can just be "try to be around in irc, then you can ping the mentor and the mentor can ping you |
| 15:08.18 | Ivanovic | most important things: don't hesitate to ask questions |
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| 15:08.24 | peeq | Ivanovic, it's foxclocks, but was looking for say a month long scheduling. |
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| 15:08.44 | peeq | currently looking at g calendar. |
| 15:08.47 | Ivanovic | you mean some kind of "project plan"? |
| 15:09.05 | Ivanovic | such a timeline is/should be part of your project proposal |
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| 15:10.42 | peeq | Ivanovic, no, but a tool so that we can manage meeting schedules conveniently. |
| 15:10.52 | Ivanovic | peeq: as a sample how such a timeline can look: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeProposal_AI_Improvement_Crab#Timeline |
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| 15:11.21 | Ivanovic | ehm, why would you need a tool to say "we meet every sunday at ABC"? |
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| 15:11.59 | peeq | Like one person checkmarks appropriate hours on specific days, and the other person marks the hours he is comfortable for meeting, and the tools does an intersection of those two to show the timings which both can agreee on |
| 15:12.10 | peeq | nah that is not the case with us. |
| 15:12.20 | Ivanovic | you are just 2 people |
| 15:12.20 | peeq | we have varied timings on differnt days |
| 15:12.42 | Ivanovic | can't be this hard to directly talk and say when to do the next meeting at the end of a meeting |
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| 15:13.59 | peeq | Ivanovic, We need to decide when can we schedule some significant amount of time on specific days, and how this will affect the project. |
| 15:14.14 | peeq | And it needs to be done beforeand |
| 15:14.51 | peeq | Thanks for your comments, I will look and search. Or if others have any suggestions please tell me. |
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| 15:15.46 | Ivanovic | you could try this site: http://www.doodle.com/ |
| 15:15.59 | Ivanovic | though really, for just 2 persons involved this is really overkill! |
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| 15:18.27 | peeq | Ivanovic, thanks, it looks better than gcal. |
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| 16:19.51 | redDragon2011 | !numapps |
| 16:19.52 | gsocbot | redDragon2011: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 16:20.03 | redDragon2011 | !help |
| 16:20.03 | gsocbot | redDragon2011: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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| 16:24.04 | *** topic/#gsoc is Welcome to Google Summer of Code 2011! Accepted student proposals announced at 19:00 UTC on the 25th. Please read the FAQs - http://goo.gl/Up2Qf and the Timeline - http://goo.gl/0lYPz for more info. |
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| 16:56.30 | nickbarnesccf | ISTR that users can post world-visibleproject-related documents on the GSoC site. Is that true? I want our students to post redacted proposals (e.g. phone numbers removed) so that I can link to them. Plan B is to host them on our own website. |
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| 17:12.51 | |Kev| | Morning Carol. |
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| 17:16.20 | carols | morning |Kev| |
| 17:16.28 | carols | didn't get a highlight on that since you used my real name :-) |
| 17:16.36 | carols | puts highlight on carol |
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| 17:18.17 | |Kev| | I broke through the careful anonymity provided by the alias of a nick on IRC. Sorry about that. |
| 17:18.27 | carols | ha, no worries :-) |
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| 17:34.52 | kai | hey carols |
| 17:34.57 | carols | hey kai |
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| 17:35.09 | kai | how's life after A-day? |
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| 17:37.58 | carols | it's pretty good, just really busy |
| 17:38.00 | carols | how are you? |
| 17:38.08 | jay_t | hey ..i just wanted to know if there were not enough mentors..could it ead to rejection even if the org had more student allocations? |
| 17:38.46 | jay_t | lead* |
| 17:39.22 | carols | jay_t: possibly, you should discuss it with the org. |
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| 17:41.37 | jay_t | are there any opportunities similar to gsoc...just got rejected and feel really down.. |
| 17:42.03 | darkjames | jay_t: http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2011/04/25/not-accepted-into-gsoc-heres-what-to-do/ |
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| 17:51.54 | dbolser | jay_t: woop! |
| 17:52.13 | dbolser | https://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-disappointment |
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| 17:53.50 | dbolser | Nightrose: is that your blog? |
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| 17:54.31 | Nightrose | dbolser: yes |
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| 17:54.57 | dbolser | nice! |
| 17:54.57 | jay_t | darkjames: nice read.... |
| 17:55.06 | dbolser | I just posted a comment on that post about gsod |
| 17:55.13 | Nightrose | cool |
| 17:55.25 | dbolser | do you need to accept comments, or should they just appear? |
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| 17:55.53 | Nightrose | if you've never commented on my blog before i need to approve it |
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| 17:56.07 | dbolser | cool |
| 17:56.16 | Nightrose | no email about a comment yet |
| 17:56.23 | dbolser | seemed to suck my comment into the ether... |
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| 17:56.37 | Nightrose | oh actually |
| 17:56.38 | Nightrose | no |
| 17:56.39 | Nightrose | sec |
| 17:56.42 | dbolser | :D |
| 17:56.43 | Nightrose | might be my email |
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| 17:57.00 | dbolser | perhaps I should href my links? |
| 17:57.36 | Nightrose | dbolser: you're a spammer! :D |
| 17:57.39 | Nightrose | approved |
| 17:57.57 | dbolser | Nightrose: you know it... damn... just found I missed the SMW+ bug competition |
| 17:58.14 | dbolser | you know, I lost that book in Edinburgh airport! |
| 17:58.16 | Nightrose | dbolser: doh!.... no don't panic towel for you then |
| 17:58.21 | dbolser | heh |
| 17:58.21 | Nightrose | oh noes! |
| 17:58.25 | Nightrose | you did? |
| 17:58.41 | dbolser | yup... racing through snow to get to teh biowiki gig |
| 17:58.57 | dbolser | yeah... fell out of my bag because I forgot to zip it up |
| 17:59.05 | Nightrose | damn |
| 17:59.13 | gevaerts | That's how my laptop broke two years ago |
| 17:59.29 | Nightrose | dbolser: you should have told me last week... |
| 17:59.32 | dbolser | we need bags that alert you |
| 17:59.38 | dbolser | Nightrose: I should have logged some bugs last week |
| 17:59.43 | dbolser | ;-) |
| 17:59.45 | Nightrose | indeed ;-) |
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| 18:00.22 | Nightrose | aaaaanyways - back to thesis editing |
| 18:00.23 | Nightrose | o/ |
| 18:00.28 | dbolser | take care |
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| 18:02.12 | gsocbot | pvaibhav: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 18:03.16 | |Kev| | Is "Google Summer of Disappointment" really a positive and uplifting title for a program? (Not to mention that it makes it sound like a Google thing, which I don't believe it is?) |
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| 19:33.50 | krkhan | i'm unable to access the '10 list of projets at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2010 is there any other list? |
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| 20:46.17 | carols | serves tea and cookies |
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| 20:47.27 | gevaerts | Thanks! |
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| 21:32.52 | iveqy | carols: ? |
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| 21:33.25 | iveqy | carols: I was think about a thing with the payment. |
| 21:33.50 | carols | iveqy: if this is specific to your situation you should email me. this is a logged channel. |
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| 21:34.38 | iveqy | it's not. It's a suggestion for future GSoC. it's a pretty huge currency speculation paying everybody in dollars. |
| 21:35.10 | kblin | iveqy: welcome to the real world |
| 21:35.16 | iveqy | kblin: I know |
| 21:35.28 | gevaerts | So how would you remove the speculation bit? |
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| 21:35.53 | kblin | gevaerts: pay everybody in something that doesn't change in value |
| 21:35.58 | iveqy | the thing is, for a student this can be a huge deal. For google it's not necessary that huge because of the many currencys |
| 21:36.03 | gevaerts | kblin: ah, yes. tshirts :) |
| 21:36.25 | MostAwesomeDude | Bitcoins! |
| 21:36.27 | kblin | gevaerts: I was thinking unobtainium bars, but yeah, tshirts are even better |
| 21:37.03 | iveqy | two solutions would be to bind dollars to the students currency at some point, an other to pay the student via the local google-company in those countries which has google |
| 21:37.30 | gevaerts | iveqy: I don't think it's so obvious that it wouldn't be a huge deal for google |
| 21:37.59 | MostAwesomeDude | I had this discussion last night with a guy who thinks Zeitgeist is the best thing ever. |
| 21:37.59 | iveqy | I'm not that familiar with google internals, so I can't judge if this is easy or too hard |
| 21:38.26 | carols | iveqy: this would require creating a PO for every country in which we have a GSoC student - on the order of 70 a year. |
| 21:38.30 | gevaerts | It's budgetted in USD. Paying anything else is going to be a budget risk |
| 21:38.30 | carols | that's a lot of work for me. |
| 21:38.36 | carols | i already have a lot of work. |
| 21:38.39 | carols | i dont want more. |
| 21:38.57 | MostAwesomeDude | Aw, poor carols. We love you! <3 |
| 21:39.04 | carols | thanks MostAwesomeDude :-) |
| 21:39.06 | gevaerts | But I think kblin put it best. Welcome to the real world |
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| 21:40.52 | iveqy | carols: I clearly understands that. I just wanted to let you know that the problem exists. A month ago (or was it two?) I would have a month extra rent from my GSoC money then I have today. And when I'm getting paid I can have both more and less. Thats a game not everybody can afford to play and it's too bad to loose other students because of finicial gambling. |
| 21:41.29 | carols | iveqy: the first advice we give every student in the program is to get the money off the prepaid cards *as soon as they get them.* I'm aware the problem exists. |
| 21:41.45 | Ophiuchi | in some sense, the differing value of GSoC payments gets students into Open Source that otherwise probably just wouldn't have stood much chance. It's not all bad. |
| 21:41.45 | iveqy | however, that's a decission of students security vs. carols workload. And I can not make that judgement |
| 21:41.56 | carols | iveqy: i've made it already :-) |
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| 21:42.39 | iveqy | carols: good =), thanks for your time. |
| 21:42.46 | carols | iveqy: yw |
| 21:43.05 | gevaerts | proposes to no longer pay in USD but in tea and cookies instead |
| 21:43.27 | kblin | iveqy: realistically, in europe, it's probably more lucrative to flip burgers all summer |
| 21:44.31 | Ophiuchi | kblin: not sure if that holds true for all parts of .eu, but many, yes |
| 21:45.05 | iveqy | kblin: it is. But it's not that fun, free or looks that good on your CV. And you don't learn that much |
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| 21:45.23 | gevaerts | iveqy: you mean gsoc is overvalued? |
| 21:45.33 | killteck | one note to currency. I'm from Czech republic and bad news for me is, that dollar is weakest ever (10 years ago dollar was 36 per CZK, now is 16.50) :( But we don't do that for money so, who care |
| 21:46.10 | iveqy | gevaerts: no. I mean that GSoC is not an oppertunity to get as much money as you could from your vacation. GSoC is something else |
| 21:46.42 | iveqy | killteck: the same for me. Last week the newspapers said the dollar was record low |
| 21:46.43 | gevaerts | iveqy: that's not what you were complaining about earlier ;) |
| 21:46.45 | Ophiuchi | killteck: those that need a summer job so they can eat while uni is on, probably |
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| 21:47.22 | gnusosa_ | GSoC is about mentoring and learning how the biz goes. |
| 21:47.27 | gnusosa_ | at least for me. :P |
| 21:47.28 | iveqy | gevaerts: then you misunderstood me. I've never complained |
| 21:48.04 | gevaerts | iveqy: I was exaggerating a bit |
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| 21:49.08 | iveqy | gevaerts: no worries, I'm just want to make it perfectly clear that I'm happy with this oppertunity and have the luxury that I'm not in this for the money |
| 21:50.29 | kblin | iveqy: I was just saying that if it's about how many months of rent your summer will pay for, GSoC isn't your best choice in many countries |
| 21:50.46 | killteck | iveqy: sad is that some years ago lots of students went abroad, now is better stay home and you will earn more. Only benefit I see is language |
| 21:51.36 | iveqy | kblin: I'm with you |
| 21:52.35 | kblin | iveqy: it's not google's fault the fed keeps printing more money :) |
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| 22:00.30 | kblin | !learn mentorsummit as cool bananas and a great place to meet an amazing selection of Open Source developers. Intense, packed. With free food and a t-shirt. On October 22nd-23rd in California. |
| 22:00.30 | gsocbot | kblin: "mentorsummit" is cool bananas and a great place to meet an amazing selection of Open Source developers. Intense, packed. With free food and a t-shirt. On October 22nd-23rd in California. |
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| 22:02.17 | gevaerts | claims that Zurich would have been better exchange rate wise :) |
| 22:02.44 | carols | kblin: intense is right. |
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| 22:04.19 | kblin | the mentor summit ranks second on the strangest conferences I've given talks on |
| 22:04.32 | carols | kblin: what ranks first? :-P |
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| 22:04.47 | kblin | campus party 2007 in valencia, spain |
| 22:05.15 | kblin | google flew me there to give a talk about gsoc as a student |
| 22:06.36 | kblin | kind of strange going to a 7k people lan party and then giving a serious talk to the 20 people who're currently taking a break from their counter-strike turnaments |
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| 22:08.03 | kblin | but not only did I get some t-shirts out of the trip, I also am the proud owner of a semi-useless non-waterproof igloo tent that says "google" on one side and "I'm feeling lucky" on the other side |
| 22:09.17 | kblin | apparently in spain it's customary to tent indoors at events like that |
| 22:09.23 | gevaerts | kblin: the non-waterproof is so you can believably claim that the "I'm feeling lucky" is about the weather |
| 22:09.40 | carols | kblin: wow, that sounds special. |
| 22:09.50 | carols | leave it to google. |
| 22:10.47 | kblin | great fun. basically lh sent me an email like "want to go to spain next week to give a talk about being a gsoc student?" |
| 22:11.38 | carols | kblin: awesome :-) |
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| 22:11.58 | kblin | totally |
| 22:12.33 | kblin | we went out to have dinner downtown at around 23:00, and then went to the beach |
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| 22:13.08 | kblin | perfect weather, 28 degrees Celsius at midnight |
| 22:13.27 | gevaerts | That's not perfect! |
| 22:13.27 | kblin | all the beach fun without the risk of sun burns |
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| 22:14.14 | kblin | gevaerts: the indoor camping place whre I pitched my google tent had air conditioning |
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| 22:15.16 | gevaerts | kblin: the weirdness is getting more pronounced every minute in this story :) |
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| 22:18.48 | kblin | in weirdness, it beats the mentor summit by orders of magnitude |
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| 22:19.13 | kblin | unfortunately it was much less productive |
| 22:20.11 | kblin | arguably the best thing google sent me to without me having to mentor |
| 22:20.21 | kblin | :D |
| 22:20.55 | kblin | but opposed to the mentor summit, I prefer to keep it a one-time experience |
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| 22:22.00 | kblin | but time to suspend to ram, tada folks |
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| 23:23.49 | scorche | "Mr. carol where can we give feedback regarding GSoC??" |
| 23:23.52 | scorche | sighs |
| 23:25.47 | scorche | "try talking in irc #gsoc with @carol..he will help u in this matter" |
| 23:25.57 | scorche | really should stop reading the discuss list... |
| 23:26.59 | beng-nl | hm |
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| 23:30.57 | thiago_home | scorche: for a long while, every time my eyes read "carols", my mind read "carlos" |
| 23:31.15 | lolfrenz | cool story bro |
| 23:31.28 | lolfrenz | xD |
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| 23:33.29 | marcg | thiago_home, I always read it as a pluralized "carol", not a "carol s" |
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