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| 04:37.32 | gsocbot | blacktooth: "yes" is Here, have a cookie! |
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| 05:16.56 | Ophiuchi | hm. was there a time for 'deduplication runs starting now'? |
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| 05:29.56 | hypatia | !slots |
| 05:29.57 | gsocbot | hypatia: "slots" is Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2. |
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| 06:19.42 | hypatia | hey folks, anyone know who we need to bug about requesting an additional slot? |
| 06:19.58 | hypatia | i have spent 20 minutes searching but must be looking for the wrong thing :( |
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| 06:22.28 | iveqy | !slots | hypatia |
| 06:22.28 | gsocbot | hypatia: "slots" is Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2. |
| 06:23.05 | hypatia | iveqy: i assumed that was for before the original allocation. i take it i should just bug them now :) |
| 06:23.29 | hypatia | wanted to make sure before bothering them vs. hitting some button somewhere that takes less of their time :) |
| 06:25.15 | iveqy | hypatia: well, I'm a student and not a google employee. So I don't know if there is a magic button somewhere :) |
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| 06:26.08 | hypatia | iveqy: thanks anyway :) |
| 06:26.15 | hypatia | will look a bit more just to be sure |
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| 06:30.13 | kai | ah, durn, here's to making life harder than necessary |
| 06:30.17 | kai | morning folks |
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| 06:34.29 | Ophiuchi | hypatia: I think the idea was that if your 'amazing' aren't filled you are automatically assumed to want more slots |
| 06:35.35 | hypatia | Ophiuchi: oh, awesome |
| 06:35.46 | hypatia | i will not bug anyone then :) |
| 06:36.35 | Ophiuchi | hypatia: plying Carols with chocolate otoh .. ,-P |
| 06:37.21 | svaksha | hypatia: earlier some org admins were wondering where/who to give away slots, maybe you might want to discuss with them? |
| 06:37.32 | hypatia | finds maple syrup chocolate and overnights it to carols |
| 06:37.32 | svaksha | is NAG |
| 06:37.59 | hypatia | thanks svaksha |
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| 06:38.46 | hypatia | ok will sleep and try figuring this out in the morning |
| 06:38.48 | hypatia | :) |
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| 07:04.29 | Myth17 | so the duplicate students get to know the results on 22nd itself? |
| 07:05.00 | |Kev| | No, 25th. |
| 07:05.27 | Myth17 | |Kev|, wont their preference be taken to account? which project they want to opt in? |
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| 07:06.16 | |Kev| | It might be, it needn't be. |
| 07:06.36 | |Kev| | They've already opted in to doing any of the projects they applied for. |
| 07:07.01 | Myth17 | hmm so if they get any one, its good enough... |
| 07:07.17 | |Kev| | Hopefully so, or they shouldn't have applied to it :) |
| 07:07.26 | Myth17 | lol. true |
| 07:07.42 | |Kev| | Usually students will be asked, but it's not required. |
| 07:10.11 | Myth17 | |Kev|, All the duplicacy resolving meeting take place in this channel right? |
| 07:11.05 | |Kev| | No. |
| 07:11.27 | |Kev| | Most conflict resolution is likely to happen out of band between the two orgs involved. |
| 07:11.36 | Myth17 | hmm |
| 07:11.46 | |Kev| | The meeting here is the last resort. |
| 07:12.33 | Myth17 | great! |
| 07:12.36 | Myth17 | :) |
| 07:13.37 | Ophiuchi | we've had cases where the student was offering to do the same project to more than one org, and it then is a question how many good other proposals the orgs have for who takes the student (and feed the dedicated mentor from the 'losing' org to co-mentor anyway) |
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| 07:18.22 | kai | Myth17: in 2007 I ended up with the project that had less proposals |
| 07:18.37 | kai | best thing that ever happened to me :) |
| 07:18.54 | JAYNEIL | hey all..if you don't get any post or comment from the mentoring organisation o your proposal yet, does this mean that the proposal is not going to be selected..? |
| 07:19.07 | kai | JAYNEIL: depends |
| 07:19.16 | Myth17 | kai, what happens if for an organisation mOst of the people are applying only for a couple of ideas? and hardly people working on others? |
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| 07:19.51 | Myth17 | JAYNEIL, it can always mean one perfect proposal or the organisation is satisfied with what you proposed. :) |
| 07:20.09 | kai | Myth17: depends. in a case like this I'd personally ask people if they're also interested in other project ideas |
| 07:20.27 | JAYNEIL | wow...very optimisic point og view...I was very nervous.. |
| 07:20.29 | Myth17 | hmmm |
| 07:20.50 | Myth17 | JAYNEIL, you should talk to the mentors once about it :) |
| 07:20.57 | valorie | esp. if you have some strong students with almost identical proposals |
| 07:20.58 | kai | JAYNEIL: have you talked to you mentors in any way? |
| 07:21.09 | JAYNEIL | but they are never online..thats the problem.. |
| 07:21.17 | valorie | ask both students if they would consider another of your ideas |
| 07:21.37 | JAYNEIL | i had sent them my proposal via email..the only reply i got was to post the proposal on their forums.. |
| 07:21.50 | JAYNEIL | apart from that no other conversation.. |
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| 09:03.15 | Marchael | hi, is it ok what my proposal looks differently in editor and in view mode? |
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| 09:12.21 | nickbarnesccf | Hmm. Doesn't look as if either of our org admins can make the dedupe meeting. |
| 09:12.31 | nickbarnesccf | what's the penalty? |
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| 09:13.28 | kai | might cause you to lose a slot if you're not able to pick a replacement for a student going to another org |
| 09:13.32 | Ivanovic | nickbarnesccf: mentors can participate there, too |
| 09:13.38 | kai | is there anybody you can send? |
| 09:14.06 | kai | as Ivanovic said, as long as someone from the org is there, things should be fine |
| 09:14.19 | kai | also, I don't think I had to do anything the last two years |
| 09:14.29 | Ivanovic | same here |
| 09:14.34 | DavidJonesCCF | kai: (following on from what i guess nick just asked) we may well be able to find someone to volunteer to attend for us. |
| 09:14.42 | Ivanovic | since the duplicates are shown before most stuff can/should already be solved |
| 09:14.56 | nickbarnesccf | we are supposedly notified of our dupes today, aren't we? |
| 09:15.11 | Ivanovic | so only a *really* tiny part of the projects are directly involved with the dedup |
| 09:15.32 | Ivanovic | some time later today, once carols ran the marking |
| 09:15.52 | Ivanovic | since she is in san francisco this is likely still some hours away and will probably be accommodated by a mail |
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| 09:16.10 | MatthewWilkes | http://www.assembla.com/wiki/show/rapequest/walkthrough is pretty god-damn disgusting |
| 09:18.55 | DavidJonesCCF | ivanovic: noted. Our org is so small that one person at the meeting is about 50% of our capacity. |
| 09:19.59 | nickbarnesccf | MatthewWilkes: thank you for that. Now have to go scrub my brain. |
| 09:20.32 | MatthewWilkes | nickbarnesccf: I mean, SERIOUSLY? What the fuck? |
| 09:21.20 | nickbarnesccf | MatthewWilkes: Young People Today, mutter mutter. |
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| 10:07.50 | Nightrose | looking for admins from scilab, scribus and orange - if any of them are around please ping |
| 10:08.25 | idank | if I applied to a couple of organizations, would they take that into account when evaluating my proposal? (negatively that is) |
| 10:08.42 | MatthewWilkes | !anyone | Nightrose |
| 10:08.42 | gsocbot | Nightrose: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 10:08.43 | MatthewWilkes | hehehe |
| 10:08.52 | MatthewWilkes | I would like a mozillan, to |
| 10:08.53 | MatthewWilkes | o |
| 10:08.59 | Nightrose | eyes MatthewWilkes |
| 10:09.03 | |Kev| | idank: I don't know of any that do. I just like to know so I can plan stuff. |
| 10:09.14 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: Behave |
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| 10:09.18 | Nightrose | :P |
| 10:09.24 | Nightrose | hugs MatthewWilkes |
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| 10:09.57 | MatthewWilkes | hugs back |
| 10:09.58 | MatthewWilkes | :D |
| 10:10.01 | MatthewWilkes | I loved the cat photo |
| 10:10.19 | idank | |Kev|: it puts me in a weird position now because one of them asked which one I'd prefer |
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| 10:10.37 | MatthewWilkes | idank: If you're worried just tell the org you want that you prefer them |
| 10:10.59 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: lol - it's great no? |
| 10:12.01 | MatthewWilkes | yup! |
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| 10:12.34 | idank | MatthewWilkes: and the other one? I don't want to close that option in case the one I prefer doesn't accept me |
| 10:13.25 | MatthewWilkes | idank: If they both accept you they need to talk to eachother |
| 10:13.42 | idank | MatthewWilkes: don't I get to choose which one? |
| 10:13.55 | MatthewWilkes | idank: No. You can try to influence it. |
| 10:14.15 | idank | ah, wasn't aware of that |
| 10:14.20 | MatthewWilkes | Tell the org you prefer "For the record, I applied to xxx to do zzz too, but I'd prefer this project should both be accepted." |
| 10:14.48 | idank | makes sense, thanks |
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| 10:15.25 | MatthewWilkes | idank: For example, you might be the top choice of one org, and the 40th choice for another. They might ignore your preference in that case |
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| 10:17.28 | idank | yeah, assuming I prefer the latter in that case :) |
| 10:19.52 | nickbarnesccf | how long is the dedupe meeting likely to last? |
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| 10:21.36 | kai | nickbarnesccf: I think last year it was over in under an hour |
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| 10:27.18 | tschwinge | Do we already know the time for the de-duplication meeting today? I found Friday's time (19:00 UTC), but nothing for today. |
| 10:27.33 | |Kev| | There isn't a dedupe meeting today afaik. |
| 10:27.34 | Ivanovic | there is no meeting today |
| 10:27.45 | kai | what those guys said |
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| 10:28.01 | Ivanovic | today you only get to know if you have duplicates and the org admins see whom to contact to try to resolve things |
| 10:28.49 | tschwinge | Ah, then I misread that. We got no duplicates, so that's good. |
| 10:29.00 | tschwinge | Thanks for the information. |
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| 10:31.15 | |Kev| | tschwinge: This may change, of course. |
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| 10:32.18 | tschwinge | |Kev|: Yep. I have scheduled to attend Friday's meeting. |
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| 10:33.08 | |Kev| | Jolly good :) |
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| 10:34.08 | tschwinge | ;-) |
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| 11:57.21 | wqapol | In case of a student getting more than one offer, the org losing that student would not lose the slot right? that org can fill it up with another student from its best proposals list? |
| 11:57.55 | gevaerts | yes |
| 11:58.02 | wqapol | Ok thanks. |
| 11:58.19 | gevaerts | That can of course cause further duplicates which need to be resolved |
| 11:58.29 | wqapol | hmm. |
| 12:00.12 | gevaerts | Which is why organisations without current duplicates also need to be present at the deduplication meeting |
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| 12:01.34 | kodax | wow no duplicates here |
| 12:01.58 | kodax | (altough difficult to get dups with only 2 slots :p) |
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| 12:03.16 | Nightrose | has 3 :/ |
| 12:03.38 | Uli- | has 6 |
| 12:03.48 | Nightrose | -.- |
| 12:03.50 | kodax | 6 duplicates? :| |
| 12:03.56 | Nightrose | Uli-: which org? |
| 12:04.07 | Uli- | ASF |
| 12:04.11 | Nightrose | ah heh |
| 12:06.16 | CrawfordComeaux | We got 3 :) |
| 12:06.26 | MatthewWilkes | I have 1 |
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| 12:07.13 | gevaerts | We have none, and if one appears it will be easy to resolve |
| 12:07.44 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: Will you settle the matter like scientists? |
| 12:08.02 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: well, we asked if they had applied elsewhere, and they all said no |
| 12:08.15 | gevaerts | So we can only have duplicates if someone lied to us :) |
| 12:08.53 | gevaerts | doesn't actually expect that to happen |
| 12:09.02 | Nightrose | heh |
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| 12:09.34 | MatthewWilkes | So, no deathball? |
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| 12:11.10 | sonney2k | hmmhh no duplicates ... yet |
| 12:11.24 | sonney2k | wonders how likely it is to get duplicates now |
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| 12:14.08 | tibbe | "duplicate" simply means that the student has a proposal with two different orgs right? |
| 12:14.17 | tibbe | not that he already accepted the one from the other org? |
| 12:14.20 | Nightrose | that it is accepted |
| 12:14.25 | tibbe | ok |
| 12:14.25 | gevaerts | The student doesn't accept |
| 12:14.27 | Nightrose | by two orgs or more |
| 12:14.33 | tibbe | so we need to resolve it with the student/the other org |
| 12:14.44 | tibbe | Nightrose, does the student know he/she is accepted by both? |
| 12:14.48 | Nightrose | no |
| 12:15.02 | gevaerts | Talk to the other org first |
| 12:15.05 | tibbe | Nightrose, hmm, tricky. so I guess I'll need to email him and tell him that we want him but he needs to chose? |
| 12:15.11 | gevaerts | no |
| 12:15.18 | Nightrose | you can't tell them they are accepted |
| 12:15.26 | Nightrose | you can say "if you had to chose..." |
| 12:15.33 | tibbe | Nightrose, ok, so basically I need to figure out who wants him more |
| 12:15.39 | Nightrose | kinda yeah |
| 12:15.43 | tibbe | hmm |
| 12:15.43 | gevaerts | The student might already have stated a preference to the other org |
| 12:15.48 | tibbe | tricky social things :) |
| 12:16.08 | Nightrose | try tto ask the other org and see :) |
| 12:16.15 | Nightrose | maybe they don't want him that much |
| 12:16.18 | Nightrose | or have a good replacement |
| 12:16.31 | gevaerts | Easy to solve if you think of it early enough. Just ask all your applicants if they have applied elsewhere and if so which they would prefer. A bit late for that now of course |
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| 12:17.21 | Nightrose | gevaerts: we should have a general "put it in your proposal of the org you prefer" rule :D |
| 12:17.47 | Nightrose | or rank your won proposals in melange |
| 12:17.49 | Nightrose | *own |
| 12:17.55 | gevaerts | nods |
| 12:18.36 | ajedwards | i'd be reluctant to say |
| 12:18.43 | gevaerts | Melange could indeed have some helpful features for this. I'm trying to think of possible downsides of doing it there |
| 12:18.54 | gevaerts | ajedwards: why? |
| 12:19.08 | ajedwards | if that IS the case it should be kept private from the organisations until a duplicate situation |
| 12:19.26 | ajedwards | because gevaerts, if you DON'T prefer an organisation, then they may overlook you based on your preferences |
| 12:19.34 | dotnick | gevaerts: Me too. I think it could hurt someones chances of being accepted |
| 12:19.34 | ajedwards | not the quality of your proposal |
| 12:19.49 | kai | shrugs |
| 12:19.52 | kai | I don't think so |
| 12:19.56 | gevaerts | hm, right. I think it would be a stupid thing to do from the org point of view though |
| 12:20.09 | gevaerts | But yes, with 175 orgs, some of them are going to do weird things |
| 12:20.15 | Nightrose | yeah |
| 12:20.35 | ajedwards | it should be kept to the proposal quality, not the interaction with the community or the preferences of either member (org or student) that way equality is far more likely - no? |
| 12:21.05 | kai | aw, crap |
| 12:21.16 | kai | just found a typo in slides of a talk he gave in 2007 |
| 12:21.30 | ajedwards | do the orgs do blind proposal ranking? (i.e. not looking at whos proposal it is) |
| 12:21.38 | gevaerts | ajedwards: well, I know that if you ever apply to rockbox, we *will* ask you (unless melange gets new features), just because it's awkward to have ask later on without divulging your choice |
| 12:21.46 | Nightrose | ajedwards: interaction with the community is a _big_ pointfor most orgs |
| 12:22.01 | kai | ajedwards: what Nightrose said, not practical |
| 12:22.29 | gevaerts | nods |
| 12:22.29 | kai | ajedwards: "have i talked to that student before" is a big part of what influences my score |
| 12:22.35 | Nightrose | yeah |
| 12:22.40 | kai | most of the time to the plus side |
| 12:23.03 | kai | but I've also had interactions with students in here that'd have caused a ranking down if they had applied to my org |
| 12:23.06 | Nightrose | and if the student showed that he can't work with the community then that will be taken into account too |
| 12:23.09 | ajedwards | Nightrose, but should you accept someone who has interacted over someone with an excellent proposal and who is willing to dive in and work hard? in my opinion the programme seems to aim at introducing people to open source and not just paying current contributers who happen to be students |
| 12:23.21 | Nightrose | it's stupid to work with someone for so long when it just isn't going to work |
| 12:23.30 | gevaerts | ajedwards: "who is willing to dive in and work hard"? How do you know?> |
| 12:23.36 | Nightrose | exactly |
| 12:24.00 | kai | ajedwards: what gevaerts said, all the students claim they're willing to dive in and work hard |
| 12:24.09 | gevaerts | Most of us are *not* willing to rate the ability to write proposals higher than community interaction or actual coding skills |
| 12:24.14 | kai | even the ones I had to fail because they didn't |
| 12:24.24 | tibbe | email sent :) |
| 12:24.27 | ajedwards | but you can make a judgement based on their responses to your proposal questions, surely - and if not then revise them strategically |
| 12:24.32 | drt24 | ajedwards: during the proposal period students interact with the community and "dive in" |
| 12:24.47 | drt24 | if they don't then that gets taken into account when ranking |
| 12:24.55 | gevaerts | *purely* based on answers to comments? No, you can't |
| 12:25.11 | ajedwards | drt24, the community bonding period should then be before the proposal period... no? |
| 12:25.19 | drt24 | ajedwards: no. |
| 12:25.35 | |Kev| | ajedwards: I think all students should have written some code before they get selected :) |
| 12:25.35 | gevaerts | No, that's different again |
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| 12:25.54 | |Kev| | Although it's the first year I've done this, it's soooo useful in so many ways. |
| 12:25.59 | drt24 | there is the period before proposals open and during proposals for community interaction. The community bonding period builds on that. |
| 12:26.09 | ajedwards | |Kev|, for the organisation or in general... because some organisations are inaccessible |
| 12:26.21 | |Kev| | 'inaccessible'? |
| 12:26.43 | Nightrose | that might tell you something about their suitability as a mentoring org for you |
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| 12:28.09 | ajedwards | fair comment, Nightrose |
| 12:28.35 | Nightrose | always ;-) |
| 12:28.42 | ajedwards | starting to feel the same way infact |
| 12:28.43 | Myth17 | by when do organisation finally decide the list of students they will take? is it 22nd? |
| 12:29.00 | Nightrose | Myth17: everything is settled after the meeting on friday |
| 12:29.34 | Myth17 | ahh, so why do results come out on 25th? whats the three days period for? |
| 12:30.13 | Nightrose | google checking some of the proposals? |
| 12:30.16 | gevaerts | I guess to account for possible problems, melange issues, tricky deduplications, and so on |
| 12:30.18 | Nightrose | buffer? |
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| 12:31.21 | Ivanovic | Myth17: in fact most orgs have their own ranking and selection done long before the 22nd |
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| 12:31.49 | Ivanovic | (since this is often done in some "final" meeting where the mentors/admins got to be around, which might not be possible easily in the middle of the week when considering several timezones) |
| 12:31.55 | Myth17 | Ivanovic, yeah, my organisation first commented on my proposal on 19th! |
| 12:32.08 | Ivanovic | okay, that is not very early... |
| 12:32.19 | Ivanovic | though you should have already interacted with them during creating the proposal |
| 12:32.52 | Ivanovic | ajedwards: honestly, so far my experience is that a proposal can't be "good" if there was no interaction before at all |
| 12:32.54 | kai | Myth17: also, the delay is compensating for melange still missing support for bug #611 ;) |
| 12:33.16 | Ivanovic | ajedwards: there are always questions that the students forget to consider and stuff like this |
| 12:33.47 | ajedwards | Ivanovic, I understand that - I should have re-phrased, interaction should have been actively-contributing |
| 12:33.56 | Ivanovic | ajedwards: so yeah, we look *very much* at the students and how they interact |
| 12:33.57 | ajedwards | my mistake |
| 12:34.19 | Ivanovic | the previous contributions don't count (much) |
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| 12:34.37 | Ivanovic | they can only eg show that the user is able to code in the required language |
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| 12:35.14 | Myth17 | Ivanovic, yup. i am very active on IRC and have contributed to the project before. |
| 12:35.45 | Ivanovic | Myth17: then you should already know what was missing in your proposal (if anything) |
| 12:35.59 | thebolt | hi |
| 12:36.40 | kai | hey thebolt, how's life? |
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| 12:41.23 | nikss | !logs |
| 12:41.24 | gsocbot | nikss: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 12:47.31 | nikss | when is deduplication meeting? |
| 12:47.39 | sfb | April 22nd |
| 12:47.39 | svaksha | 22nd |
| 12:47.45 | thebolt | kai: both pretty good and hm a bit down.. |
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| 12:47.59 | kai | !deduplication |
| 12:48.04 | thebolt | kai: how about you? |
| 12:48.16 | nikss | !deduplication |
| 12:48.21 | nikss | !cookie |
| 12:48.22 | gsocbot | nikss: "cookie" is omnomnom |
| 12:48.49 | nikss | !slots |
| 12:48.50 | gsocbot | nikss: "slots" is Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2. |
| 12:48.55 | nikss | !patience |
| 12:48.56 | gsocbot | nikss: "patience" is Patience is very important in GSoC/GCI. Relax and go code something useful. |
| 12:49.21 | kai | !learn deduplication as on April 22nd: 19:00 UTC |
| 12:49.21 | gsocbot | kai: "deduplication" is on April 22nd: 19:00 UTC |
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| 12:59.37 | vegard | oh wow. |
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| 13:00.35 | vegard | huh? |
| 13:00.42 | vegard | a second ago, all our candidates showed as duplicates |
| 13:00.53 | vegard | but now they're back to pending acceptance |
| 13:01.33 | drt24 | I am guessing you saw transient state as duplicate detection got run |
| 13:01.41 | drt24 | as it was on the hour which is when the script runs |
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| 13:08.16 | vegard | right, ok. that's weird |
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| 13:39.16 | littlehorse1880 | hi,all |
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| 13:42.29 | littlehorse1880 | Is every mentor in an org can rank my application? |
| 13:42.44 | sonney2k | littlehorse1880, yes |
| 13:42.53 | |Kev| | littlehorse1880: Yes, but only the admins decide what's accepted. |
| 13:43.11 | |Kev| | i.e. the rating is informative rather than prescriptive. |
| 13:43.13 | littlehorse1880 | The admin? |
| 13:44.13 | littlehorse1880 | You mean the biggest boss in the org? :) |
| 13:44.45 | littlehorse1880 | Or the project's mentor? |
| 13:44.45 | |Kev| | There are three (main) roles in Melange - org admin, org mentor, and student. |
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| 13:45.05 | DarthGandalf | And google staff. |
| 13:45.16 | |Kev| | org mentors and org admins can rate proposals. |
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| 13:45.33 | |Kev| | Only org admins can accept students. |
| 13:45.50 | gevaerts | Well, technically only org mentors can rate, but org admins happen to automatically be org mentors too |
| 13:45.51 | |Kev| | DarthGandalf: Note how I carefully said 'main' to not confuse matters. |
| 13:45.58 | littlehorse1880 | Could org admin be a mentor? |
| 13:46.06 | |Kev| | littlehorse1880: Yes. |
| 13:46.32 | littlehorse1880 | WOW..that's the biggest mentor:) |
| 13:46.35 | DarthGandalf | |Kev|: sure, I just add few details to that. |
| 13:47.10 | littlehorse1880 | Maybe you are one of the biggest mentor:) |
| 13:47.19 | gevaerts | wonders what littlehorse1880 is on about |
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| 13:47.50 | littlehorse1880 | Just a joke, take it easy |
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| 13:48.55 | gevaerts | weird joke |
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| 13:49.53 | svaksha | gevaerts: maybe english isnt their first language |
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| 13:50.51 | gevaerts | svaksha: I actually suspect that a mismatch between styles of humour is a more likely cause |
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| 13:51.41 | svaksha | maybe, irc does not communicate humor well |
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| 13:54.29 | littlehorse1880 | em...I'm just a student, and I just wants to know who can rank my application,and who can finally accept my application. Sorry for making a misunderstood. :( |
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| 13:55.12 | gevaerts | littlehorse1880: the only short and correct answer really is "different organisations handle student selection in different ways" |
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| 13:55.41 | littlehorse1880 | Oh. I see. thanks for your info. |
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| 14:05.40 | atagar | Hm, how should we handle duplicates? On one hand it would be nice to ask the student's preference but on the other we aren't supposed to let them know they've been accepted yet. |
| 14:06.28 | ajedwards | i believe the protocol is to speak to the other org first |
| 14:06.37 | atagar | already done |
| 14:06.47 | ajedwards | who wants the student more? |
| 14:06.56 | ajedwards | and who has a backup student in place? |
| 14:07.04 | gevaerts | atagar: did you know they were applying elsewhere too? |
| 14:07.04 | ajedwards | failing that, possibly ask the student |
| 14:07.18 | MatthewWilkes | atagar: "We notice you have applied to org xxx as well as to us. Please let us know which project you would prefer to do ASAP as we are trying to decide who to accept and this information would help." |
| 14:07.36 | MatthewWilkes | That's what I'd go for |
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| 14:08.20 | gevaerts | "Please let us know which project you would prefer in case you would get selected by both", maybe? |
| 14:08.34 | MatthewWilkes | works too |
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| 14:09.33 | downeym | Is there any list of which orgs are new this year? |
| 14:09.53 | gevaerts | Not yet I think |
| 14:10.04 | gevaerts | All information is out there, so you can make one :) |
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| 14:23.10 | kai | atagar: it's a bit academic, of course, because the moment you ask they know they're very likely to be accepted somewhere :) |
| 14:23.55 | gevaerts | Which is why next year you should ask as part of the application template :) |
| 14:23.56 | atagar | yup :) |
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| 14:24.20 | atagar | gevaerts: good point, /me adds a note to do that |
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| 14:42.19 | dberkholz | i think pretending they aren't on the verge of acceptance is kind of absurd |
| 14:42.30 | dberkholz | no matter how you phrase it, they aren't stupid |
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| 14:43.05 | dberkholz | gevaerts: then it may well impact the scoring, so they might not get accepted by either org |
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| 14:44.22 | gevaerts | dberkholz: maybe, but if so there needs to be more org education I'd say |
| 14:44.35 | dberkholz | enthusiasm is a factor |
| 14:44.38 | vegard | I've noticed that there are a lot of comments which say simply "None" |
| 14:44.48 | vegard | including one from me which I am 100% certain I didn't write |
| 14:45.10 | dberkholz | vegard: you may have clicked submit after scoring a proposal without submitting a comment? |
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| 14:46.07 | vegard | hm, there were some from the students as well |
| 14:46.14 | vegard | but maybe you are right. |
| 14:46.45 | dberkholz | i thought i saw SRabbelier write something about how empty comments wouldn't happen anymore |
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| 14:49.07 | gevaerts | dberkholz: I see your point, but from a purely rational viewpoint I don't think it makes sense |
| 14:49.38 | dberkholz | gevaerts: it's not in a student's self-interest to hurt his chances of acceptance |
| 14:49.53 | gevaerts | true |
| 14:50.06 | gevaerts | So a student may not say this without being asked |
| 14:50.10 | gevaerts | So you ask :) |
| 14:50.15 | dberkholz | i'd rather accept students who think my org is amazing and the absolute coolest thing to do this summer, vs ones who applied as a "safety net" or something. |
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| 14:51.12 | dberkholz | yeah, we could ask, but that's putting students in a tough spot. |
| 14:51.17 | gevaerts | But does not knowing this indicate that they think your org is amazing and the absolute coolest thing to do this summer? |
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| 14:52.19 | gevaerts | Someone suggested earlier to have the students tell melange about preference, and to have melange tell the orgs only when needed |
| 14:52.31 | dberkholz | now that's a better idea |
| 14:52.44 | |Kev| | Comparativly, I don't think I mind if students apply elsewhere. I care about the enthusiasm with which they apply to me. I don't trust people who don't get excited about lots of things :D |
| 14:53.00 | umashanthi | Any Apache (ASF) admins here? |
| 14:53.36 | bobbens | you can't expect students to not apply elsewhere |
| 14:54.29 | bobbens | there's more competition every year and you never know how many slots the orgs will get and what projects they'll prioritize |
| 14:55.00 | kai | bobbens: not sure if there's more real competition |
| 14:55.04 | Nightrose | umashanthi: Uli- might be |
| 14:55.19 | bobbens | kai: as a student these past 4 years I can definately say it feels that way |
| 14:55.35 | bobbens | kai: plus this year I bet really hard on an org that only got 2 slots instead of 5 (with 56 good applications) |
| 14:55.39 | bobbens | so that's going to really hurt my chances :) |
| 14:55.59 | gevaerts | doesn't believe in 56 good applications |
| 14:56.09 | bobbens | ask SETI :) |
| 14:56.11 | kai | bobbens: as an admin the past 4 years, I'm not convinced I'm seeing more good applications |
| 14:56.24 | gevaerts | bobbens: new org? |
| 14:56.27 | bobbens | yeah |
| 14:56.34 | Nightrose | i think this year our applications were better than last year |
| 14:56.42 | bobbens | I thought they had a good chance with 5 slots, but they only got 2 |
| 14:56.46 | umashanthi | Nightrose: thanks; I 'll try to find him |
| 14:56.47 | gevaerts | They don't know how to spot not-so-good applications yet then :) |
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| 14:57.18 | |Kev| | We've had some applications that were much stronger than we've had in previous years. I'm not convinced the overall quality is much better, though. |
| 14:57.19 | kai | Nightrose: it differs a bit for the two orgs I'm admining |
| 14:57.44 | bobbens | |Kev|: makes me feel a bit better :P |
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| 14:57.54 | dberkholz | bobbens: the thing with "good" is that a new org doesn't have the experience to judge what other folks mean by it... |
| 14:58.29 | gevaerts | Well, a big umbrella organisation might have 56 good applications |
| 14:58.30 | kai | heck, sometimes it's hard even as a more experienced mentor |
| 14:59.22 | Nightrose | gevaerts: they have more than that usually ;-) |
| 14:59.24 | kai | but offhand I think if you have 10% good applications, your threshold might be off ;) |
| 14:59.51 | gevaerts | kai: which direction? |
| 14:59.59 | kai | gevaerts: depends on size :) |
| 15:00.15 | |Kev| | kai: We did. |
| 15:00.18 | |Kev| | More than 10%, even. |
| 15:00.22 | Nightrose | same here |
| 15:00.24 | |Kev| | Relatively small sample, though. |
| 15:00.29 | kai | ok |
| 15:00.32 | Nightrose | 1/3+ tbh |
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| 15:00.45 | kai | for samba I'm happy if I get 10% |
| 15:01.02 | gevaerts | I suspect different standards :) |
| 15:01.03 | kai | this year actually is pretty decent by our standards |
| 15:01.31 | kai | I guess so |
| 15:01.34 | nuigroup | ... proposals "y u so hard to pick" :) |
| 15:01.39 | |Kev| | gevaerts: I suspect different samples, largely. |
| 15:01.52 | gevaerts | That too |
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| 15:02.29 | |Kev| | I imagine larger orgs get a greater proportion of less good applications, because they're more likely to get picked up by students not putting the effort in. |
| 15:02.33 | dberkholz | our ratio of good applications is actually pretty high. might have to do with the application requirements |
| 15:02.39 | |Kev| | This is a feeling rather than having any data to support it. |
| 15:02.56 | kai | gevaerts: the trend I see is that project ideas that look hard draw less but higher quality proposals, and project ideas that look easy draw more proposals of a lower quality |
| 15:03.00 | bobbens | requirements really vary between orgs |
| 15:03.08 | bobbens | opencv requires letters of recommendation and such :) |
| 15:03.15 | gevaerts | kai: that *look* hard or easy, yes |
| 15:03.22 | dberkholz | probably because they got absurd amounts of applications in the past. |
| 15:03.29 | gevaerts | Which can be fun, because that doesn't always match reality :) |
| 15:03.58 | kai | letters of recommendation by who? |
| 15:04.03 | bobbens | academic references |
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| 15:04.42 | gevaerts | I'd be surprised if hit and run application submitters care about those requirements |
| 15:04.43 | bobbens | an investigator recommended I apply to point cloud library (opencv equivalent for 3d point clouds) but that was too late and I didn't have time to complete the requirements |
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| 15:05.05 | nuigroup | anyone doing anything with kinect? |
| 15:05.16 | kai | !polls | nuigroup |
| 15:05.16 | gsocbot | nuigroup: "polls" is Please don't use #gsoc to do polls. |
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| 15:05.29 | gevaerts | wants more specific questions! |
| 15:05.35 | gevaerts | anyone doing anything with stuff? |
| 15:05.41 | bobbens | gevaerts: nope :( |
| 15:06.04 | nuigroup | hrrm? The Microsoft Kinect... just curious if any other orgs have similar proposals |
| 15:06.28 | bobbens | pointcloud library is for processing 3d point data, but not restricted to kinect only |
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| 15:06.52 | nuigroup | @bobbens agreed |
| 15:07.12 | bobbens | kinect is just a lot cheaper than proper time of flight cameras :) |
| 15:07.22 | bobbens | if I had more free time I would get me one :) |
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| 15:09.06 | gevaerts | nuigroup: sorry, I was semi-deliberately ignoring the kinect bit and picking on "anyone doing anything" :) |
| 15:10.01 | kai | anyway, requiring an academic recommendation is pretty pointless for most project |
| 15:10.08 | kai | smells a bit of elitism :) |
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| 15:10.23 | bobbens | well if you look at their mentors |
| 15:10.31 | bobbens | they're generally professors and hardcore academics :) |
| 15:10.41 | nuigroup | is'nt that part of academia? :P |
| 15:10.45 | bobbens | so it's probably what they're used to :) |
| 15:10.45 | kai | yes |
| 15:11.07 | bobbens | academia would be more fun with less beaurocracy |
| 15:11.19 | kai | and more funding :) |
| 15:11.30 | bobbens | that too :) |
| 15:11.55 | bobbens | but it's the beaurocracy that kills me |
| 15:12.00 | bobbens | by blocking fund access :P |
| 15:12.27 | nuigroup | @gevaerts np... I should of been more clear |
| 15:12.36 | bobbens | "you must have spent 5 years experience outside of the country, had foobar scholarship, a pet fish named steve and a gpa of exactly pi" |
| 15:13.11 | gevaerts | bobbens: everyone knows that *proper* pet fish are named Eric! |
| 15:13.38 | bobbens | only halibut |
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| 15:14.09 | gevaerts | No, that was the specific case |
| 15:14.37 | gevaerts | I'd say that if the dog, cat, and bee are also named Eric, it's safe to assume that all other pets will follow the same rule |
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| 15:16.54 | bobbens | gevaerts: so you give out cat license? |
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| 15:17.14 | gevaerts | There is no such thing! |
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| 15:17.41 | evanpro | hi |
| 15:17.47 | evanpro | I'm the admin for StatusNet |
| 15:17.53 | kai | gevaerts: you don't have a license to cat? |
| 15:17.57 | evanpro | I don't know what we're supposed to do about duplicates right now |
| 15:18.05 | evanpro | "Deduplification" |
| 15:18.32 | evanpro | Can we tell if any of the students we've accepted were also accepted by other projects? |
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| 15:19.17 | kai | evanpro: on your dashboard, do you see the "status" column? |
| 15:19.27 | kai | for the proposals you have? |
| 15:19.34 | gevaerts | evanpro: yes, see SRabbelier's mail |
| 15:20.31 | kai | gevaerts: mine is in /usr/share/doc/coreutils/copyright |
| 15:21.10 | gevaerts | kai: are you allowed to use cat to look at that before you've looked? |
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| 15:23.33 | kai | anyway, time to go home |
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| 15:38.06 | sumanah | !next |
| 15:38.06 | gsocbot | sumanah: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
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| 15:40.05 | evanpro | Hi again |
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| 15:40.42 | Nightrose | hey evanpro |
| 15:40.47 | Nightrose | found tthe status column? |
| 15:40.54 | evanpro | Nightrose, not yet! |
| 15:41.36 | Nightrose | evanpro: should be on your dashboard |
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| 15:41.41 | Nightrose | table with all proposals |
| 15:41.51 | Nightrose | if there is no status column you need to enable it |
| 15:41.57 | Nightrose | button is at the bottom of the table |
| 15:42.22 | Nightrose | if you have an duplicates they are marked as "duplicate" in red there |
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| 15:43.12 | evanpro | Right, see it |
| 15:43.31 | Nightrose | cool |
| 15:43.50 | evanpro | Nightrose, so, I've accepted our quota of proposals |
| 15:43.56 | evanpro | Haven't yet assigned the mentors |
| 15:44.01 | evanpro | Do we do that before Friday? |
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| 15:44.40 | gevaerts | Yes, according to the timeline |
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| 15:44.58 | Nightrose | evanpro: yeah you need to |
| 15:44.58 | gevaerts | "All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor - 07:00 UTC" |
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| 15:45.25 | Nightrose | evanpro: you might be able to change it later but not sure |
| 15:45.37 | evanpro | OK, great |
| 15:45.37 | Nightrose | but you need to have someone assigned afaik |
| 15:45.52 | dberkholz | we need a new restriction on that column, by duplication |
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| 15:47.04 | fix | !logs |
| 15:47.05 | gsocbot | fix: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 15:50.17 | laserbled | do we have a gsoc students manual like the gsoc mentors manual ? |
| 15:50.28 | sumanah | yes |
| 15:50.50 | sumanah | laserbled: http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/what-is-google-summer-of-code/ |
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| 15:53.39 | dberkholz | Nightrose, |Kev|: ok, i finished running through the mentor post again; lemme know if you have any more changes |
| 15:54.07 | Nightrose | dberkholz: i'm about to head out and go home - feel free to send it to stephanie - i'm sure it is fine |
| 15:54.12 | Nightrose | i'll have a look over it when at hom |
| 15:54.13 | Nightrose | e |
| 15:54.14 | |Kev| | Will read now. |
| 15:54.43 | dberkholz | Nightrose: i'll just send it this afternoon, then (maybe 3 hrs from now). |
| 15:54.53 | Nightrose | ok |
| 15:55.01 | dberkholz | that still leaves half a day on the west coast |
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| 16:00.12 | ryanscholes | Hi, is it normal if my proposal doesn't get any comment? |
| 16:00.27 | |Kev| | It depends on the org. |
| 16:01.06 | ryanscholes | My org is Mozilla. |
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| 16:01.29 | sumanah | ryanscholes: have you asked them? |
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| 16:02.16 | ryanscholes | Sumanah: No, I'll try to. Thanks :) |
| 16:03.05 | samiran | i received only one comment, thats too about project schedules |
| 16:03.29 | Ivanovic | how many comments you get in the tracker completely depends on the orgs |
| 16:03.55 | Ivanovic | the best solution is to be active yourself talking to the orgs people about the proposal and directly asking for feedback |
| 16:04.01 | sumanah | I agree with Ivanovic |
| 16:04.11 | Ivanovic | though right now it might be too late |
| 16:04.27 | Ivanovic | (the orgs should all have their ranking basically done and mentors assigned) |
| 16:04.53 | Ivanovic | so it is just likely that you can still get in as a result of the deduplication |
| 16:04.54 | sumanah | I mildly disagree with that |
| 16:05.20 | Ivanovic | the *normal* ranking stuff is likely to be done though |
| 16:05.34 | sumanah | I'm an org admin and we're only partly done :-) |
| 16:05.46 | samiran | i did talked in irc with other student and talked a lot in mailing list with mentors |
| 16:06.21 | |Kev| | dberkholz / Nightrose : I'm happy with it as-is, thanks. |
| 16:06.23 | Ivanovic | samiran: if you took this into account in the proposal you should already be fine |
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| 16:07.42 | samiran | how much does experience matters. I doubt my acceptance |
| 16:07.53 | Ivanovic | it all depends on the orgs |
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| 16:11.05 | dberkholz | sumanah: stop slacking then, you're screwing up duplicates for everyone else =P |
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| 16:12.28 | sumanah | dberkholz: I am getting the acceptances in as fast as I can, of course |
| 16:12.40 | sumanah | dberkholz: believe me, it's not slacking |
| 16:13.43 | sumanah | dberkholz: it's that some of these are hard decisions requiring research, discussions, additional information from students, and the entire evaluation period we've been given |
| 16:14.18 | dberkholz | sumanah: yes, the evaluation period is a very work-intensive time for admins and mentors |
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| 16:14.30 | dberkholz | in fact, it's hands-down the hardest i work on gsoc all year |
| 16:15.21 | sumanah | dberkholz: where do you admin/mentor? I've forgotten your project, sorry |
| 16:15.53 | dberkholz | gentoo, and backup admin for x.org |
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| 16:16.50 | dberkholz | i'd guess i spend close to 20 hrs/wk from shortly before the proposal deadline to the evaluation deadline |
| 16:17.46 | sumanah | has to stop chatting here to chat with an applicant :-) thanks dberkholz |
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| 16:23.25 | neeraj_rct1 | hello |
| 16:23.38 | neeraj_rct1 | are new organisations going to get only 2 slots? |
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| 17:08.05 | CrawfordComeaux | Anyone happen to know of some decent low-cost lodging in the bay area? |
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| 17:08.22 | Catfish_Man | CrawfordComeaux: I stayed in a hostel for wwdc back in '06 |
| 17:08.30 | Catfish_Man | was quite cheap, although fairly spartan |
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| 17:08.53 | CrawfordComeaux | spartan I can handle |
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| 17:09.49 | downeym | HI hostels are usually a good value, safe, and clean |
| 17:10.01 | CrawfordComeaux | HI? |
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| 17:11.30 | bitner | hostels international |
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| 17:11.36 | dberkholz | CrawfordComeaux: try priceline =) |
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| 17:15.49 | CrawfordComeaux | dberkholz: I'm actually going to hit up some old contacts in the area first & see how that goes... |
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| 17:16.29 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: perfect timing |
| 17:16.47 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: in the proposal table on the dash, can we get a status filter for duplicates? |
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| 17:17.00 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: yes, you can |
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| 17:21.28 | prince | hi everyone |
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| 17:21.44 | 16WAABMGL | Hi |
| 17:22.08 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: will deploy in a few |
| 17:22.45 | ajedwards | SRabbelier, while you're at it add a table to show whether a student is ranked high so far ;) (I joke, coding something useful tonight) |
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| 17:23.18 | ajedwards | i didn't make clear that was for students... nvm bad attempt at a joke |
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| 17:24.26 | dotnick | ajedwards: Have another go, I ll pretend i didn't read that :p |
| 17:24.39 | ajedwards | starts over |
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| 17:25.16 | ajedwards | hey SRabbelier, why not sneakily deploy a table for students which shows their status currently to them! (I joke) |
| 17:25.23 | ajedwards | better? good, thanks |
| 17:25.27 | dotnick | :) |
| 17:25.30 | SRabbelier | d'oh |
| 17:25.43 | ajedwards | netbeans keeps crashing halfway through download... :( |
| 17:26.01 | dotnick | you 're in luck. Use vim |
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| 17:26.23 | Catfish_Man | CrawfordComeaux: found the one I stayed in: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=hostel&aq=&sll=37.786513,-122.409877&sspn=0.001916,0.003514&ie=UTF8&rq=1&ev=zo&split=1&radius=0.12&hq=hostel&hnear=&ll=37.786737,-122.409351&spn=0.002192,0.004823&z=18 |
| 17:26.27 | ajedwards | trying to get used to the pain of netbeans, we HAVE to submit netbeans projects at university |
| 17:26.47 | |Kev| | I rather like Netbeans. |
| 17:26.51 | ajedwards | I prefer eclipse.. but there's no option |
| 17:27.06 | |Kev| | I use Eclipse for C/C++ and prefer Netbeans for Java, each to their own :) |
| 17:27.30 | dotnick | I dont really like the "have to's" of university. Forcing me to use Java :( |
| 17:27.31 | ajedwards | through no fault of my own I have to use VS2008 for C/C#/C++ |
| 17:27.58 | ajedwards | dotnick, ALL software engineering students have an issue with it - the module leaders take no notice |
| 17:28.12 | ajedwards | i should add, in our year, at our university to that |
| 17:28.13 | |Kev| | Uhm. |
| 17:28.32 | |Kev| | Isn't it kinda sensible to use a consistent language for any given part of a course? |
| 17:28.40 | dotnick | ajedwards: I'm doing a computer networking course which only makes things worse |
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| 17:28.55 | ajedwards | |Kev|, pardon? |
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| 17:30.08 | |Kev| | ajedwards: You seemed to be saying that everyone on your course objects to your lecturers choosing the languages you use in a given course. I was saying this seems like a sensible thing to me. |
| 17:30.23 | ajedwards | no, they object to the lecturers choosing the IDEs |
| 17:30.28 | |Kev| | Ah. |
| 17:30.30 | schumaml | computational physics, java vs. c(++): catch (ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException e) vs.. segfault ;) |
| 17:31.08 | ajedwards | the languages we use are variable by module, but our university takes a very heavy OO approach |
| 17:31.08 | |Kev| | I vaguely remember teaching the undergrads Emacs as an alternative to their IDEs years ago. Mandating IDEs gets annoying. |
| 17:31.17 | dotnick | |Kev|: In the case of software engineering I would say so. In my case we only have to submit small things like TCP proxy server which is 40-50 lines long. |
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| 17:32.19 | dotnick | Although I have to admit that my problem is not having to use a specific language. I just like to use the right tool for each job |
| 17:32.22 | ajedwards | back shortly, trying to work out why netbeans is refusing to download now =/ |
| 17:32.48 | |Kev| | dotnick: I can greatly sympathise with anything that makes the markers' lives easier :) |
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| 17:34.10 | dotnick | |Kev|: :) |
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| 17:34.40 | dotnick | I 'd love to take an algorithms module some time. I'll hopefuly do that during the next summers |
| 17:34.44 | |Kev| | This was the main motivating factor in me not becoming a lecturer - I couldn't stand the thought of spending the rest of my life marking coursework. I used to really hate it. |
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| 17:35.11 | |Kev| | Would drive me very nearly to tears. Horrible stuff. |
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| 17:36.18 | dotnick | |Kev|: You can always let grad students do it :) |
| 17:36.42 | ThFabba | Marking? It's fun! Unless of course, the task itself sucks :p |
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| 17:37.28 | |Kev| | Marking is fine if it's something programmatic, and the student gets it right. |
| 17:37.29 | dotnick | ThFabba: I wouldn't call it "fun" but then again I never had to do it :p |
| 17:37.47 | |Kev| | You very quickly start to do pattern-matching instead of having to read the code, and can quickly tick the few patterns that get it right. |
| 17:38.21 | |Kev| | The problem is when you spend half an hour reading a block of horrendous convoluted SQL that you know is wrong, but have to work out what it does just in case they've somehow managed to get something so broken that it works. |
| 17:38.46 | akashm1990 | |Kev|, students enjoy giving those type of codes |
| 17:39.15 | |Kev| | akashm1990: Because they're not very smart, and think annoying the person grading them is a good idea? :) |
| 17:39.27 | dotnick | |Kev|: Isn't one of objectives writing clear,easy to follow and well documented code? I would just fail them |
| 17:39.43 | schumaml | "your code has to pass those automatic tests" |
| 17:40.05 | schumaml | would be my requirement |
| 17:40.13 | |Kev| | dotnick: Marking schemes (at least those I've had to use) aren't binary "Right - full marks / wrong - no marks" affairs. |
| 17:41.02 | akashm1990 | |Kev|, its a challenge for a student to come up with something the teacher cannot figure out.. |
| 17:41.19 | |Kev| | akashm1990: See above on 'not very smart' :) |
| 17:41.39 | akashm1990 | true.. |
| 17:41.42 | dotnick | |Kev|: Think of the poor Open Source mentors that have to deal with that student during the summer :p |
| 17:42.08 | |Kev| | dotnick: I have some experience of that as well :) |
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| 17:45.06 | kblin | schumaml: we had a lecture like that once. for my last assignment, I hardcoded the unit test input/output combinations and passed with all points |
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| 17:45.21 | kblin | schumaml: I felt slightly offended as a coder :) |
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| 17:46.49 | schumaml | kblin: that's the attitude outsourcing if made of :) |
| 17:46.56 | schumaml | *is |
| 17:47.11 | schumaml | follow the spec, and not one inch further |
| 17:48.43 | yadudoc | borja, hi |
| 17:48.57 | schumaml | gets better if the outsourcing happens within one company and the programmers have to use the software themselves |
| 17:49.19 | kblin | schumaml: well, I got the idea of trying that on one assignment where I found a bug after I sent it in. It passed all the test cases, but had an obvious corner case bug |
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| 17:49.46 | kblin | schumaml: when I still got full points for it, I had to test the theory that they didn't have any additional test cases they didn't give us |
| 17:49.57 | Catfish_Man | kblin: my favorite way to avoid that is to only include half the test cases with the assignment |
| 17:49.58 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: Yeah, I once got 80% on an assignment that just gave ERROR to stderr |
| 17:50.00 | Catfish_Man | but run all of them :) |
| 17:50.04 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: The test cases were hidden, but i correctly guessed that he checked invalid input more than correct |
| 17:50.32 | kblin | Catfish_Man: that's what I'd do |
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| 17:51.59 | downeym | !next |
| 17:51.59 | gsocbot | downeym: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
| 17:52.41 | downeym | Just to verify, does that mean the dedupe meeting is at 19:00 UTC? |
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| 17:53.12 | kblin | !timeline | downeym |
| 17:53.12 | gsocbot | downeym: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 17:53.35 | kblin | I'm beginning to wonder how we did without the redirection feature :) |
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| 17:54.08 | downeym | kblin: Thanks. :) |
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| 17:55.00 | kblin | downeym: no problemo |
| 17:55.43 | downeym | kblin: Having end of reviews at the same time as the meeting made me second-guess. |
| 17:57.21 | kblin | downeym: yeah, !next is a bit unclear. end of reviews actually is a bit earlier, 17:00 UTC |
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| 18:00.19 | evanpro | hi |
| 18:00.24 | evanpro | So we have three duplicate projects |
| 18:00.28 | evanpro | How do we "de dupe"? |
| 18:00.43 | downeym | evanpro: Contact the other organization and devise a plan. :) |
| 18:00.50 | kblin | evanpro: step one, do you know the student's preferences? |
| 18:01.00 | kblin | evanpro: step two, what downeym said |
| 18:01.16 | cryos | Should I be able to see the details of the other org for duplicates? |
| 18:01.22 | cryos | I am an admin, and don't see it. |
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| 18:01.31 | evanpro | I can't see the other organization in the melange interface |
| 18:01.50 | downeym | evanpro & cryos: It's on the specific proposals. |
| 18:02.00 | evanpro | Whoa! |
| 18:02.03 | kblin | ah, good to know |
| 18:02.06 | cryos | In fact, now it just flipped both of my duplicates to pending acceptance. |
| 18:02.07 | evanpro | They just changed back to "Pending approval" |
| 18:02.15 | cryos | A glitch in Melange? |
| 18:02.25 | cryos | I was looking on the individual proposals. |
| 18:02.28 | evanpro | cryos, I just had the same thing |
| 18:02.29 | kblin | ah, perhaps they're just running the checker again |
| 18:02.38 | kblin | !bugs |
| 18:02.39 | gsocbot | kblin: "bugs" is http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
| 18:02.42 | kblin | :) |
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| 18:02.52 | cryos | Fair enough, I will keep an eye out, but asume I have no duplicates now. |
| 18:03.02 | kblin | I guess re-check ib 5-10 minutes |
| 18:03.21 | kblin | but it's unlikely that the dups vanish without you guys doing anything |
| 18:03.29 | cryos | Yes, certainly. I am available over the next few days. |
| 18:03.40 | cryos | I thought the same thing. |
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| 18:04.15 | kblin | I seem to remember that last year all the duplication information vanished while the checker was running |
| 18:04.29 | kblin | SRabbelier: any comments? |
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| 18:04.44 | SRabbelier | yeah |
| 18:04.45 | SRabbelier | this year as well |
| 18:04.47 | SRabbelier | Lennard just fixed it |
| 18:04.50 | cryos | Ah, OK. I will check back later today to see if they are still green. |
| 18:04.57 | bitner | kblin: I seem to remember that last year everything got switched to being dupes and scared the snot out of me |
| 18:04.57 | SRabbelier | http://code.google.com/p/soc/source/detail?r=876a19c8c851b586d29b233ed40545dc17598cda# |
| 18:05.09 | downeym | How often is the checker running? Hourly? |
| 18:05.09 | SRabbelier | we just noticed the same thing xD |
| 18:05.13 | SRabbelier | downeym: yeah |
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| 18:05.41 | kblin | see, that's what I like about melange, a lot of bugs are fixed before you even get to report them |
| 18:06.01 | kblin | !this cookie | SRabbelier |
| 18:06.01 | gsocbot | SRabbelier: "this cookie" is for you |
| 18:07.02 | SRabbelier | kblin: omggg, awesome! :D |
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| 18:08.40 | hiddenpearls | if an organiztion get duplicates and students prefer other organization, then first organization will choose other proposal? |
| 18:09.43 | Nightrose | dberkholz: |Kev|: article looks good to me too |
| 18:09.47 | Nightrose | dberkholz: can you email stephanie? |
| 18:09.57 | gevaerts | hiddenpearls: if there are other suitable proposals, yes |
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| 18:10.23 | gevaerts | hiddenpearls: well, actually, the organisations don't have to follow (or even ask) what the student prefers |
| 18:10.35 | gevaerts | didn't read the entire question the first time |
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| 18:12.59 | kblin | hiddenpearls: basically, we're working on the assumption that if a student doesn't want to do a project, he wouldn't propose it |
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| 18:14.33 | kblin | but of course if a student applies to orgs A and B, and she's the only good candidate A has, and B has another good candidate to fill a given slot, usually B will leave the student to A |
| 18:15.16 | hiddenpearls | kblin: i see |
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| 18:15.25 | gevaerts | Unless B stands for Bastard of course |
| 18:15.42 | hiddenpearls | lol |
| 18:15.51 | kblin | sure, that's what the dedup meeting is for |
| 18:15.52 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: doesn't it? |
| 18:16.00 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: not *all* Bs do |
| 18:16.23 | DanKluev | And what happens if orgs cannot sort it out between themself? Carol murders both? |
| 18:16.23 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: I got that impression :) |
| 18:16.34 | SRabbelier | DanKluev: neitehr gets the slot :D |
| 18:16.39 | SRabbelier | DanKluev: (yes, Carol chooses) |
| 18:16.52 | kblin | DanKluev: in the recent years we had the org admins fight in an arena |
| 18:16.53 | downeym | DanKluev: Nash equilibrium. |
| 18:16.58 | kblin | two men enter, one man leaves |
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| 18:29.00 | clwillingham | hello, i think i accidently registered as a mentor, when i meant to register as a student |
| 18:29.14 | clwillingham | any way to unregister as a mentor? |
| 18:29.35 | DarthGandalf | It's too late already to register as a student anyway for gsoc2011... |
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| 18:30.33 | clwillingham | yeah i figured that was the case |
| 18:31.34 | clwillingham | but i didn't really mean to register as a mentor, will i still be registered as a user when i apply next year? |
| 18:31.49 | clwillingham | but i didn't really mean to register as a mentor, will i still be registered as a mentor when i apply next year? |
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| 18:34.11 | SRabbelier | the answer to his question was no btw |
| 18:34.14 | SRabbelier | in case he comes back |
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| 18:38.20 | carldani | Have a successful GSoC everyone! |
| 18:38.45 | JanisB | I used <pre> tag in proposal text, last time I have viewed proposal it was monospace text with black background, but now it appears in one-line regular typefase. Is it correct? |
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| 18:44.38 | SRabbelier | JanisB: link? |
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| 18:45.42 | dberkholz | Nightrose: yep, on it |
| 18:45.54 | Nightrose | dberkholz: thx |
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| 18:47.02 | |Kev| | dberkholz: Thanks. |
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| 18:50.11 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: live |
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| 18:50.23 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: awesome timing, i just got back from lunch |
| 18:50.33 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: that's how I roll ;) |
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| 18:52.00 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: you spy on people to see when they'll get back from lunch? |
| 18:52.23 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: I saw dberkholz say "yep, on it" to Nightrose |
| 18:52.53 | Nightrose | -.- |
| 18:52.57 | Nightrose | sppoky |
| 18:52.59 | gevaerts | Clever trick! |
| 18:53.02 | Nightrose | *spooky |
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| 18:54.40 | dberkholz | cryos: while the dup run is actually occurring, it seems to mark everything as duplicate. |
| 18:54.59 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: too slow man, already fixed! |
| 18:55.00 | dberkholz | cryos: oh, nm, SRabbelier just said stuff was just fixed |
| 18:55.27 | dberkholz | i noticed that this morning myself, and was very confused when it changed from one reload to the next, 2 minutes later. |
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| 18:56.40 | dberkholz | ajedwards: fwiw, i had a course like that, which required codewarrior. i simply wrote the code in something more usable and imported it at the end to make sure it built properly in there. |
| 18:56.51 | cryos | dberkholz: Thanks for the tips, looks like my first year as an admin will be simple after an initial scare :P |
| 18:57.06 | cryos | Checked a few times since, not showing any dupes. |
| 18:57.11 | Uli- | dberkholz: interestingly i witnessed the opposite: all proposals were marked as pending acceptance although there were duplicates |
| 18:57.23 | dberkholz | cryos: feel free to hit me up for more tips at any point. |
| 18:57.33 | cryos | dberkholz: Will do - thanks! |
| 18:57.40 | dberkholz | i'm trying to blog as many as possible, but i'm sure i'll miss some |
| 18:57.49 | gevaerts | Well, maybe it's called "melange" because it mixes things up every now and then to keep people on their toes? :) |
| 18:57.59 | dberkholz | mentor-advice post should come out in the next couple of days |
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| 19:00.10 | omegaphi | !next |
| 19:00.11 | gsocbot | omegaphi: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
| 19:01.06 | JanisB | SRabbelier:i PMed link with <pre> problem |
| 19:01.19 | JanisB | checked in Opera and Chrome |
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| 19:01.37 | SRabbelier | JanisB: yeah, looks right |
| 19:01.37 | DarthGandalf | You could just check in html source. |
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| 19:02.16 | JanisB | I see <pre> in sourcecode, and wondering why it's not displaying it correctly |
| 19:02.22 | JanisB | *in my browser |
| 19:02.28 | SRabbelier | JanisB: we removed the pre style as it was |
| 19:02.31 | SRabbelier | JanisB: since people didn't like it |
| 19:02.47 | SRabbelier | I see that didn't improve your proposal though |
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| 19:03.23 | SRabbelier | I think we can at least remove the whitespace:normal from the pre rule |
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| 19:03.32 | adarsh | hello all |
| 19:03.45 | friedger | hello |
| 19:03.50 | adarsh | i came to know that organizations have been informed about their number of slots |
| 19:03.56 | adarsh | when will it be public |
| 19:04.15 | friedger | 25th |
| 19:04.43 | adarsh | no other way? |
| 19:04.48 | friedger | no |
| 19:05.38 | SRabbelier | adarsh: they do know #slots, you can ask them directly |
| 19:05.38 | gevaerts | still hasn't figured out why the number of slots is so interesting |
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| 19:06.14 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: NFC either |
| 19:06.20 | SRabbelier | !nfc |
| 19:06.38 | SRabbelier | And I didn't mean near field communication |
| 19:07.04 | gevaerts | decides not to know what SRabbelier meant :) |
| 19:07.17 | SRabbelier | very wise |
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| 19:09.00 | dberkholz | if they also know the # of proposals, it tells them something about how good their proposal needs to be to make it.. |
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| 19:09.38 | gevaerts | Well, only if they know the competition |
| 19:10.18 | akashm1990 | gevaerts, which isnt difficult to know, if all discussions are on irc and mailing list |
| 19:10.38 | gevaerts | Yes, but that's a rather big if |
| 19:10.50 | akashm1990 | true |
| 19:11.10 | gevaerts | Well, our discussions were on irc, but not in our main channel :) |
| 19:11.13 | akashm1990 | but gives some idea.. if you have 30+ active discussions |
| 19:11.18 | akashm1990 | and 2 slots |
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| 19:11.29 | akashm1990 | vs 10 active discussions and 15 slots |
| 19:11.31 | JanisB | SRabbelier: will (and when if so) you move white-space:normal back for <pre> tag? |
| 19:11.46 | DanKluev | gevaerts: some orgs published number of applications |
| 19:11.48 | SRabbelier | oh, right, was looking into that but got distracted by a bunny |
| 19:11.56 | gevaerts | DanKluev: yes, I know |
| 19:11.57 | akashm1990 | you get some idea about your chances |
| 19:13.07 | DanKluev | Although with large orgs like PSF even knowing number of slots and apps wouldn't help as there are sub-orgs |
| 19:13.08 | gevaerts | Well, it depends |
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| 19:14.00 | SRabbelier | JanisB: deployed, if you ctrl-refresh you'll see the change; everybody else will get it with the next release |
| 19:14.15 | gevaerts | It's just that chances to get in depend on *so* much more than number of slots vs. number of proposals |
| 19:14.54 | akashm1990 | but slots vs proposals is a significant factor as well |
| 19:15.45 | SRabbelier | akashm1990: not... really |
| 19:15.47 | gevaerts | slots vs. good proposals may be, yes |
| 19:15.57 | SRabbelier | akashm1990: big orgs just gave back a significant amount of slots |
| 19:16.03 | SRabbelier | akashm1990: because there weren't any/enough good proposals |
| 19:16.23 | akashm1990 | SRabbelier, I was under the impression that orgs were normally short of slots and needed more |
| 19:16.33 | gevaerts | akashm1990: some are |
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| 19:16.37 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: google started stealing our students for internships =P |
| 19:16.37 | akashm1990 | Atleast I remember 1-2 org admins saying that on this channel |
| 19:16.42 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: don't tell me there will be left-over slots this year? |
| 19:16.58 | SRabbelier | akashm1990: not really, this year everybody got more or less what they wanted, with the exception of new orgs |
| 19:17.11 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: there won't be much orgs that have #slots < #amazing |
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| 19:17.24 | DanKluev | akashm1990: new orgs were hard-capped at 2 slots |
| 19:17.52 | SRabbelier | DanKluev: with a few exceptions here and there :) |
| 19:17.53 | akashm1990 | maybe thats why the bigger ones got more slots.. |
| 19:18.13 | akashm1990 | were the no. of slots for bigger orgs increased compared to 2010? |
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| 19:18.28 | gevaerts | warns SRabbelier that loose talk costs lives :) |
| 19:18.32 | SRabbelier | akashm1990: yes |
| 19:18.36 | SRabbelier | akashm1990: 50 new orgs were accepted |
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| 19:18.43 | SRabbelier | !numapps |
| 19:18.44 | gsocbot | SRabbelier: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year; 5474 proposals were submitted by 3731 students. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 19:19.12 | gevaerts | akashm1990: I don't think new orgs got much more in previous years |
| 19:19.22 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: it's not like I don't get plenty flak as is |
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| 19:19.39 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: in previous years they just didn't get in at all :P |
| 19:19.43 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: true, you need more :) |
| 19:20.05 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/do-it-faggot |
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| 19:32.13 | boltrix | guys, where the deduplication meeting is taking place? |
| 19:32.26 | dberkholz | here, in 2 days |
| 19:33.11 | SRabbelier | although we'll probably move to #gsoc-deduplication or such :) |
| 19:33.23 | SRabbelier | or, ##gsoc-deduplication, I never know |
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| 19:33.30 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: btw, anything happen with the idea of a column with "slots_assigned - slots_accepted"? |
| 19:33.34 | gevaerts | Let's hope it won't have duplicate channels |
| 19:33.42 | ThFabba | One hash, since it's official :) |
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| 19:34.15 | boltrix | cool, thanks ;-) |
| 19:34.24 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: yeah, on my TOOD for today |
| 19:34.35 | dberkholz | sweet, d00d. |
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| 19:37.26 | SRabbelier | whoah |
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| 19:37.37 | SRabbelier | carols and lh joining within a minute of one another |
| 19:37.45 | carols | great minds :-) |
| 19:37.50 | carols | hands lh some coffee |
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| 19:37.53 | SRabbelier | no other possible explanation |
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| 19:38.32 | SRabbelier | Guest86486: you need to /msg nickserv identify .... |
| 19:38.34 | gevaerts | At least the enforcer works :) |
| 19:38.39 | dberkholz | finally, this time i got coffee in advance so i don't have a craving. |
| 19:38.41 | SRabbelier | Guest86486: (do /nick carols first) |
| 19:38.53 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: and that's a good thing? :P |
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| 19:39.41 | akashm1990 | gevaerts, whats an enforcer? |
| 19:40.13 | SRabbelier | akashm1990: makes sure I can't /nick carols |
| 19:40.20 | SRabbelier | akashm1990: or at least, no longer than 30s :) |
| 19:40.21 | gevaerts | akashm1990: it's a freenode/nickserv feature that forcibly renames people who try to use your nick |
| 19:40.55 | akashm1990 | ohk.. I have that done for my nick |
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| 19:41.02 | akashm1990 | didnt know what it was called though |
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| 19:42.06 | carols_ | grumbles about IRC |
| 19:42.16 | mlankhorst | carols_: or stable connection? ;) |
| 19:42.22 | SRabbelier | lh: you know irc staffers? |
| 19:42.26 | carols_ | mlankhorst: all of the above :-) |
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| 19:43.10 | SRabbelier | curses |
| 19:43.37 | dberkholz | carols_: only 6 months till our screen+irssi setup session =) |
| 19:43.39 | SRabbelier | proposals aren't in the same entity group as organizations, so I can't change an organization when a proposal is accepted/unaccepted |
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| 19:43.54 | carols_ | dberkholz: not soon enough, it would seem :-P |
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| 19:52.42 | dberkholz | Nightrose, |Kev|: stephanie just said she'd plan to get it posted friday morning |
| 19:52.50 | Nightrose | k |
| 19:52.55 | |Kev| | dberkholz: Fab, thanks. |
| 19:53.07 | lh | looks up, notices coffee, drinks |
| 19:53.13 | lh | carols_: thankin' ye |
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| 19:55.39 | dberkholz | oh good, our slots are fixed. |
| 19:55.54 | gevaerts | It's a fix? |
| 19:56.14 | |Kev| | dberkholz: Fixed? |
| 19:56.20 | |Kev| | You mean repaired, or immutable? |
| 19:56.31 | carols_ | lh: yw :-) |
| 19:56.37 | dberkholz | they now match the number of accepted students. except for a dupe we're currently resolving. |
| 19:56.42 | |Kev| | I'm still looking to donate one back, once I've managed to confirm with our mentors. |
| 19:56.45 | |Kev| | Ah, good. |
| 19:58.23 | dberkholz | i'm really psyched this year because we only had 1 dupe |
| 19:58.33 | dberkholz | last year i think we lost 3-4 students |
| 19:58.48 | |Kev| | We've got 0, so far, but then we're much smaller. |
| 19:58.50 | gevaerts | Where did you see them last? |
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| 19:59.03 | downeym | carols_: Got a minute for a quick question? |
| 19:59.16 | sonney2k | hopes that there won't be any dupes appearing last minute... |
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| 19:59.51 | JustinS | if I have a melange oddity (mentor assigned but list says none assigned), who do I tell? |
| 20:00.01 | |Kev| | JustinS: #melange |
| 20:00.29 | JustinS | |Kev|: thanks |
| 20:01.09 | |Kev| | yw |
| 20:01.42 | carols_ | downeym: of course |
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| 20:04.05 | beng-nl | is sure some form of #gsoc drinking game would be fun ;) |
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| 20:04.45 | gevaerts | beng-nl: every time someone mentions cookies, you have to serve tea and coffee |
| 20:05.00 | ajedwards | coffee? |
| 20:05.07 | beng-nl | gevaerts: good.. start i guess |
| 20:05.19 | beng-nl | mentions cookies |
| 20:05.24 | gevaerts | !this cookie | beng-nl |
| 20:05.24 | gsocbot | beng-nl: "this cookie" is for you |
| 20:05.34 | dberkholz | everytime time you see "anyone" that's a shot. any sms-speak is one drink per letter. |
| 20:05.43 | dberkholz | minus a "time" |
| 20:05.53 | gevaerts | dberkholz: one drink per letter or per missing letter? |
| 20:05.56 | beng-nl | dberkholz: now we're getting somewhere |
| 20:06.07 | dberkholz | gevaerts: i don't know, try both and let me know what's more fun |
| 20:06.13 | mmadia | drink everytime that someone's question is answered by gsocbot ;) |
| 20:06.20 | dberkholz | i bet the missing letters would get hard after playing for a while. |
| 20:06.25 | beng-nl | mmadia: you're getting the idea ;) |
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| 20:12.15 | yuvipanda | anyone around? |
| 20:12.20 | yuvipanda | waits for dberkholz to take a short |
| 20:12.22 | yuvipanda | *shot |
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| 20:12.43 | gevaerts | !anyone |
| 20:12.43 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 20:12.57 | gevaerts | waits for mmadia to take a shot :) |
| 20:13.20 | mmadia | :] |
| 20:14.55 | yuvipanda | anyone taken a shot of anything at all? |
| 20:15.12 | yuvipanda | wait, does that count as another anyone? |
| 20:15.15 | yuvipanda | looks at dberkholz |
| 20:15.25 | gevaerts | yuvipanda: two of them I think :) |
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| 20:15.59 | yuvipanda | gevaerts, two anyones? |
| 20:16.07 | yuvipanda | gevaerts, damn, I mean, three anyones? |
| 20:16.11 | yuvipanda | ouch, four anyones! |
| 20:16.14 | yuvipanda | ugh, five! |
| 20:16.17 | gevaerts | I'm not sure if plurals count |
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| 20:16.33 | gevaerts | If they do, poor dberkholz :) |
| 20:16.49 | yuvipanda | gevaerts, hmm, i'm not sure, grep "anyone" matches it ;) |
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| 20:34.53 | hartem | Hi |
| 20:35.10 | kblin | lo |
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| 20:36.22 | hartem | SRabbelier: Hi, I think we have a small problem |
| 20:36.37 | SRabbelier | hartem: probably |
| 20:36.52 | hartem | SRabbelier: we selected all our students and there seem to be no conflicts |
| 20:37.19 | SRabbelier | hartem: read your mail |
| 20:37.29 | hartem | SRabbelier: but now we would like to change one of them, and I am not sure if it will cause a conflict or not |
| 20:37.52 | hartem | SRabbelier: sorry? |
| 20:38.00 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: btw, as a workaround, you can just look at the bottom right of the list if you filter for "accepted: true" |
| 20:38.04 | SRabbelier | hartem: the mentors list |
| 20:38.09 | SRabbelier | hartem: read it :) |
| 20:39.59 | hartem | SRabbelier: the last mail that I got was [Announce] Duplicate resolution begins |
| 20:39.59 | hartem | and it says 'If you have any questions please send them either to melange-soc-dev, |
| 20:39.59 | hartem | or to me directly.' :D |
| 20:40.41 | kblin | SRabbelier: not meaning to complain, but I think the current dashboard UI is not qute as user friendly for people with multiple orgs than I'd like |
| 20:41.00 | SRabbelier | kblin: tell me more in #melange |
| 20:41.10 | hartem | SRabbelier: sorry, did not follow the whole thread |
| 20:41.16 | SRabbelier | hartem: hmmmm, it also says that the duplication task runs only once an hour |
| 20:41.17 | hartem | SRabbelier: now I see :D |
| 20:41.25 | SRabbelier | hartem: this is why I want to stab the people in the face who reply-to-alled |
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| 20:49.50 | |Kev| | Grrr. |
| 20:49.55 | |Kev| | Someone just gave us a duplicate :( |
| 20:50.20 | ajedwards | send it back ;) |
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| 20:51.13 | hartem | |Kev|: it could be me :) |
| 20:51.28 | beng-nl | |Kev|: :( |
| 20:51.28 | dberkholz | probably us, handing out slots like it's christmas. |
| 20:51.35 | |Kev| | dberkholz: It wasn't :) |
| 20:51.51 | ajedwards | dberkholz, lol! |
| 20:51.53 | dberkholz | |Kev|: i mean one of the slots we gave away |
| 20:52.09 | ajedwards | should the bot be handing out easter eggs this time of year? |
| 20:52.16 | ajedwards | as opposed to cookies |
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| 20:52.38 | ajedwards | awaits a "challenge accepted" |
| 20:52.58 | gevaerts | !this cookie | ajedwards |
| 20:52.58 | gsocbot | ajedwards: "this cookie" is for you |
| 20:53.10 | SRabbelier | !learn this easter egg as is for you |
| 20:53.11 | gsocbot | SRabbelier: "this easter egg" is is for you |
| 20:53.19 | SRabbelier | ajedwards: challenge accepted! |
| 20:53.23 | SRabbelier | !this easter egg | ajedwards |
| 20:53.23 | gsocbot | ajedwards: "this easter egg" is is for you |
| 20:53.29 | SRabbelier | challenge failed |
| 20:53.36 | SRabbelier | !forget this easter egg |
| 20:53.36 | gsocbot | SRabbelier: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:53.41 | SRabbelier | !learn this easter egg as for you |
| 20:53.41 | gsocbot | SRabbelier: "this easter egg" is for you |
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| 20:55.01 | felipevieira | !next |
| 20:55.01 | gsocbot | felipevieira: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
| 20:56.36 | marekweb | exciting |
| 20:56.50 | marekweb | !patience |
| 20:56.51 | gsocbot | marekweb: "patience" is Patience is very important in GSoC/GCI. Relax and go code something useful. |
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| 20:57.13 | blacktooth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.37 | blacktooth | !wassup? |
| 20:58.17 | SRabbelier | !botabuse | blacktooth |
| 20:58.17 | gsocbot | blacktooth: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid>, or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
| 20:59.10 | adarsh | chck |
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| 21:04.29 | SRabbelier | carols: woot? |
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| 21:09.27 | redheadphones | 3 |
| 21:10.05 | kblin | now that's just overdoing it ;) |
| 21:10.11 | spectre | !next |
| 21:10.12 | gsocbot | spectre: "next" is April 22nd: 19:00 UTC - End of reviews, deduplication meeting on IRC |
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| 21:10.48 | SRabbelier | this is addictive to watch: http://www.google.com/mapmaker/pulse |
| 21:12.11 | kblin | wth is that? |
| 21:12.28 | mburst | Has Google said how they're planning to use the mapmaker data? |
| 21:12.32 | SRabbelier | kblin: live edits being made to mapmaker |
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| 21:12.54 | SRabbelier | mburst: yeah, http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2011/04/reflecting-ever-changing-world-around.html |
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| 21:13.46 | mburst | Very cool |
| 21:14.03 | mburst | I feel bad for the people who have to go through and approve each drawing |
| 21:14.27 | SRabbelier | seconds that |
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| 21:15.52 | Triskelios | heh, "live" entertainment |
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| 21:17.18 | SRabbelier | indeed! |
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| 21:30.08 | boopathi_ | I have a doubt. I had submitted a proposal for summer of code. Now it is not available in "My Dashboard" in google-melange site. |
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| 21:31.36 | SRabbelier | boopathi_: that doesn't sound good |
| 21:32.06 | boopathi_ | i keep trying refreshing |
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| 21:32.41 | mmadia | hmm, numapps doesn't mention how many total slots were given out in 2011. any idea? |
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| 21:34.38 | boopathi_ | If there any admin, can you please lemme know what it is ? or is it that the application is rejected ??? |
| 21:34.46 | kblin | !patience | mmadia |
| 21:34.46 | gsocbot | mmadia: "patience" is Patience is very important in GSoC/GCI. Relax and go code something useful. |
| 21:34.59 | SRabbelier | !moredata | boopathi_ |
| 21:34.59 | gsocbot | boopathi_: "moredata" is Please provide more data on your problem, have you tried turning it off and on again? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85xwZ_OLX0 |
| 21:35.05 | kblin | mmadia: on a more serious note, that's not final until the 25th |
| 21:35.34 | mmadia | the accepted students, but i was hoping the total allocated slots would at least give a ball park figure :) |
| 21:35.51 | kblin | !learn itcrowd as Have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 21:35.51 | gsocbot | kblin: "itcrowd" is Have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 21:36.05 | kblin | mmadia: isn't that the same in the end? |
| 21:36.22 | nuigroup | any google admin's around? |
| 21:37.06 | SRabbelier | nuigroup: sure, carols is here |
| 21:37.27 | mmadia | i'd imagine so kblin. |
| 21:37.31 | pyus13 | i have submitted a proposal but have not received any response from mentors |
| 21:37.43 | pyus13 | wahi does it mean |
| 21:38.01 | brik | you won't get a yes or no until the 25th |
| 21:38.19 | carols | im here |
| 21:38.22 | carols | whats up? |
| 21:38.36 | SRabbelier | kblin: add the link |
| 21:39.19 | Ivanovic | pyus13: you should have been comunication with the orgs mentors all the time |
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| 21:39.23 | kblin | SRabbelier: haha, actually tl;dr, didn't see that before |
| 21:39.26 | Ivanovic | that is why every org lists contact ways |
| 21:39.34 | kblin | !forget itcrowd |
| 21:39.34 | gsocbot | kblin: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:39.38 | SRabbelier | nuigroup: ^ carols |
| 21:39.51 | nuigroup | @google admin are google employees allowed to be mentors? |
| 21:39.51 | Ivanovic | this way, when taking the feedback you get during communications into account, there is not much need for further comments |
| 21:39.57 | kblin | !learn itcrowd as Have you tried turning it off and on again? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85xwZ_OLX0) |
| 21:39.57 | gsocbot | kblin: "itcrowd" is Have you tried turning it off and on again? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85xwZ_OLX0) |
| 21:40.02 | Ivanovic | nuigroup: they are |
| 21:40.25 | pyus13 | @Ivanovic how ? |
| 21:40.25 | Ivanovic | nuigroup: one year one of the wesnoth mentors was working at google at the same time |
| 21:40.37 | Ivanovic | pyus13: what do you mean with "how"? |
| 21:40.50 | Ivanovic | there are links on every orgs page to stuff like irc, mailinglists and the likes |
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| 21:41.10 | Ivanovic | those are common ways to communicate in open source projects and should be used |
| 21:41.12 | iveqy | oh sry for spamming earlier, gettings comfortable with a new laptop and fails now and then... |
| 21:41.30 | SRabbelier | nuigroup: just talk to carols directly |
| 21:41.40 | SRabbelier | nuigroup: as in, carols:, instead of @google admin ;) |
| 21:41.57 | nuigroup | kk thanks for clarity |
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| 21:42.07 | dberkholz | otherwise her irc client won't highlight.. |
| 21:42.10 | kblin | @guy I blame for all melange issues: so true |
| 21:42.13 | SRabbelier | nuigroup: but what Ivanovic said |
| 21:42.34 | Ivanovic | nuigroup: in general google has no real say in who works on stuff from the projects side |
| 21:42.35 | carols | nuigroup: did you need something? |
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| 21:42.43 | Ivanovic | the project is responsible for selecting "good" mentors |
| 21:42.52 | _wolf_ | hey carols :) |
| 21:43.06 | carols | hey _wolf_ :-) |
| 21:43.14 | Ivanovic | since the mentors themselves get no direct payment (besides the t-shirt!), there is IMO nothing that can speak against google employes mentoring |
| 21:43.27 | _wolf_ | carols: How's it going? |
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| 21:43.38 | carols | _wolf_: busy as always. how are you? :-) |
| 21:43.44 | Ivanovic | carols: that was nuigroups question: [23:39:51] <nuigroup> @google admin are google employees allowed to be mentors? |
| 21:44.00 | carols | Ivanovic, nuigroup: yes |
| 21:44.23 | _wolf_ | carols: Pretty good, but crazy busy... Flying to SF/MTV on Sunday |
| 21:44.25 | Ivanovic | nuigroup: in fact there are some projects that *have* to be mentored by google people (the stuff that is "by google since it does not fit into any org") |
| 21:45.12 | _wolf_ | Ivanovic, I'm a Googler, and I'm the admin for OSGeo |
| 21:45.15 | carols | _wolf_: am i going to see you while you're here? :-) |
| 21:45.16 | kblin | _wolf_: do so while european planes are still allowed to fly to the US :) |
| 21:45.18 | gevaerts | Ivanovic: isn't that only admined by the google people? |
| 21:45.35 | Ivanovic | gevaerts: all admins also have mentor access (this year) |
| 21:45.36 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 21:45.51 | SRabbelier | kblin: wait wait |
| 21:45.53 | _wolf_ | carols: for sure! Though my team has moved to the corner of the campus |
| 21:45.54 | SRabbelier | kblin: what are you saying now? |
| 21:45.59 | gevaerts | Ivanovic: well yes, but they don't all mentor people :) |
| 21:46.00 | SRabbelier | kblin: I'm flying to the us in a month |
| 21:46.07 | carols | _wolf_: for you? i'd come to the other side of campus :-) |
| 21:46.23 | SRabbelier | carols: such a generous person you are :D |
| 21:46.30 | carols | SRabbelier: i have my moments :-) |
| 21:46.31 | _wolf_ | carols: aww that's so sweet :D |
| 21:46.41 | kblin | SRabbelier: the EU just aborted the talks with the US gouvernment about passenger data |
| 21:46.50 | SRabbelier | ups |
| 21:46.58 | SRabbelier | by boat it is |
| 21:47.08 | _wolf_ | kblin, tell me more :) |
| 21:47.17 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: I think this applies to boats too |
| 21:47.19 | kblin | because the EU wants them to store it for less time, and wants to submit less data |
| 21:47.25 | AlexP | too right |
| 21:47.46 | SRabbelier | cheers @ EU |
| 21:47.52 | SRabbelier | yay privacy |
| 21:47.55 | kblin | and the US DHS instead of compromising wants even moar data |
| 21:48.01 | _wolf_ | carols: I'll make sure to look you up ;) Well do lunch :D |
| 21:48.11 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: clearly you're hiding drug money or porn. why else would you want it. |
| 21:48.15 | SRabbelier | hands _wolf_ an extra ' |
| 21:48.17 | dberkholz | to cite a recent journalist... |
| 21:48.25 | carols | _wolf_: great! |
| 21:48.36 | Ivanovic | dberkholz: who would *hide* porn? |
| 21:48.37 | _wolf_ | SRabbelier, thanks for the ' |
| 21:48.42 | Ivanovic | ain't it made to be watched?!? |
| 21:48.57 | Ivanovic | but yeah, i know, the americans are crazy about porn |
| 21:48.58 | AlexP | It is made to feel guilty about then leave in railway sidings |
| 21:49.00 | SRabbelier | _wolf_: np, I had a ' spare from splitting a " earlier |
| 21:49.05 | _wolf_ | SRabbelier, wait by boat to the US? Doesn't that take like forever? |
| 21:49.12 | _wolf_ | SRabbelier, LOL |
| 21:49.22 | SRabbelier | _wolf_: what other option do I have? there aren't any trains ;) |
| 21:49.33 | _wolf_ | SRabbelier, plane? |
| 21:49.40 | kblin | dberkholz: right, there has been a recent report that was published by the german federal police that quoted that a searched pc was suspicious because it belonged to a male and didn't contain porn |
| 21:49.44 | dberkholz | you can fly to the eastern tip of russia, catch a boat across, then a train down from alaska |
| 21:49.50 | Ivanovic | "OMG, this guy has a pic with bare breasts in his biology book, he musn't enter this country" - "what about the dude with the dynamite vest and the machine gun?" - "looks sane to me!" |
| 21:49.52 | SRabbelier | _wolf_: see earlier discussion about no more plans from EU to US |
| 21:50.14 | _wolf_ | hands SRabbelier a spare e |
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| 21:50.26 | _wolf_ | scrolls |
| 21:50.41 | SRabbelier | wolfb: thanks |
| 21:50.43 | kblin | dberkholz: besides, all I see is data from a really advanced backscatter scanner |
| 21:50.46 | kblin | ;) |
| 21:51.10 | pyus13 | @Ivanovic i have mailed them and they are only saying for wait |
| 21:51.21 | pyus13 | till 22nd |
| 21:51.23 | dberkholz | i still don't trust the x-ray ones to not give me melanoma or sterilize me, but the others i don't mind. |
| 21:51.25 | Ivanovic | pyus13: yeah, by now all decissions are made |
| 21:51.31 | Ivanovic | and you even have to wait for the 25th |
| 21:51.39 | Ivanovic | since only then the results will be published |
| 21:52.24 | pyus13 | so it means my project is not going to be selected |
| 21:52.34 | Ivanovic | no, it means *nothing* |
| 21:52.40 | kblin | dberkholz: the passive IR ones suck for detection rates, though |
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| 21:52.51 | Ivanovic | on 25th you will know if you are selected or not, no results are allowed to be told to students before this! |
| 21:52.56 | dberkholz | millimeter wave is where it's at |
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| 21:53.09 | AlexP | pyus13: Google have asked all orgs not to say anything before the official announcement |
| 21:53.24 | AlexP | pyus13: So whether you are selected or not, the org can't say |
| 21:53.34 | carols | pyus13: just be patient, all will be revealed soon |
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| 21:53.42 | pyus13 | ok |
| 21:53.52 | kblin | SRabbelier: working on #611 |
| 21:54.00 | SRabbelier | grins |
| 21:54.08 | pyus13 | i will wait for a positive reply |
| 21:54.23 | SRabbelier | kblin: you're our dedup man right? |
| 21:54.58 | kblin | SRabbelier: you mean for queueing up people like for the "ask why you didn't get in"-day? |
| 21:55.34 | SRabbelier | kblin: well, yeah, and general know-how of how it's run |
| 21:55.44 | kblin | sure |
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| 21:55.59 | kblin | I even have #gsoc-duplicate |
| 21:56.06 | SRabbelier | excellent |
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| 21:56.23 | Ivanovic | SRabbelier: general know-how is easy: everyone gets a club and assignment works in a "last dude standing" manner |
| 21:56.30 | kblin | SRabbelier: I mean #gsoc-duplicates |
| 21:56.32 | Ivanovic | afterwards those waking up first get the next choice |
| 21:56.39 | kblin | SRabbelier: gsocbot is in there already |
| 21:56.40 | SRabbelier | kblin: also fine :P |
| 21:56.44 | SRabbelier | kblin: neato |
| 21:57.10 | kblin | if I can teach it to deal with the queueing until friday, we can give that a try |
| 21:57.24 | dberkholz | s/until/by/ ? |
| 21:57.58 | kblin | that as well |
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| 21:58.12 | SRabbelier | kblin: cool! |
| 21:58.22 | kblin | no promises, though |
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| 21:58.45 | kblin | that's going to be harder than redirection, I gyess |
| 21:58.48 | kblin | guess |
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| 21:58.59 | kblin | dammit, time to go to bed, it seems |
| 21:59.00 | SRabbelier | kblin: probably :P |
| 21:59.56 | kblin | patches welcome, of course :) |
| 22:00.43 | SRabbelier | kblin: eheh, we could implement #622 and increment by seconds instead |
| 22:00.55 | SRabbelier | kblin: that shouldn't pospone it too much |
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| 22:03.06 | kblin | SRabbelier: #622 is already done :) |
| 22:03.17 | kblin | but I guess you mean 611 |
| 22:03.27 | SRabbelier | yeah, whatev :P |
| 22:03.28 | kblin | off by 11, common mistake to make :) |
| 22:04.09 | mmadia | off by one (key|finger) :P |
| 22:04.30 | _wolf_ | I think the off by 11 is more common |
| 22:04.54 | _wolf_ | at least it's a larger number, so it must be better, right? :P |
| 22:05.52 | _wolf_ | carols, pm? |
| 22:06.02 | carols | _wolf_: yep |
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| 22:06.53 | kblin | sighs |
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| 22:07.42 | kblin | I like how the supybot readme says "We likewise have tons of developer documentation at http://supybot.com/ for your learning adventures. Have fun :)" |
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| 22:08.03 | kblin | and then if you go to that address, there isn't anything |
| 22:08.18 | kblin | arguably, that makes the learning even more of an adventure |
| 22:08.18 | SRabbelier | rofls |
| 22:08.21 | SRabbelier | kblin: it's a troll :D |
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| 22:09.31 | kblin | possibly |
| 22:09.45 | kblin | feeds the troll with a red herring and pats it on the head |
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| 23:22.18 | carldani | carols: Was "you have been moderated" a code phrase for "all your future mails will be silently dropped"? Because no matter what I write to the mentors list, it won't end up on the list. And I think writing that my org donated 4 slots is not offensive nor otherwise objectionable. |
| 23:23.05 | carols | carldani: it's not objectionable, its just noise we dont need on the list right now. |
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| 23:23.17 | carols | i'd recommend the gsoc veterans list |
| 23:23.44 | carldani | carols: ah ok, then I wonder why the list is not moderated, because apparently mails by others saying the same are ok and not noise |
| 23:24.02 | carldani | I am just trying to understand the moderator policy. |
| 23:24.06 | carols | everyone who's been replying all is getting moderated after they post. |
| 23:24.36 | carols | its not an all-encompassing policy for the list, its just for right now when we're trying to get sorted with the students |
| 23:25.09 | carldani | So Dan Colish is moderated as well? |
| 23:25.13 | carols | we just need less noise on that list right now is all :-) |
| 23:25.29 | carols | probably |
| 23:26.04 | carldani | I'm just asking because I didn't see any mail from you notifying the poster about moderation. |
| 23:26.25 | carols | carldani: i haven't been sending those all to the list. less noise, right? |
| 23:26.40 | beng-nl | hooray for less noise |
| 23:26.50 | carols | thanks beng-nl |
| 23:26.50 | carldani | carols: well, I received your moderation mail twice, so I assumed one got to the list |
| 23:27.01 | carols | carldani: ok |
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| 23:30.07 | DanKluev | Whats wrong with reply-all on ML? I've thought its default way |
| 23:30.31 | dcolish | didnt know he got moderated |
| 23:30.34 | carldani | carols: It would be nice if you could announce the reply-causes-moderation policy on the list. Thanks! |
| 23:30.46 | dcolish | the message probably got filtered or considered spam on my end |
| 23:30.54 | carols | DanKluev: on the mentors list? it's been way too noisy recently, up to and including people arguing on list. so i've been cutting down on the noise. |
| 23:31.29 | dcolish | I didnt think I did anything worthy of moderation, but no biggie |
| 23:32.27 | DanKluev | Nah, in general. I've seen SRabbelier ranting about it earlier today, so made me wonder if using reply-all on MLs is actually bad thing |
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| 23:33.02 | carols | DanKluev: it is. whenever possible please dont reply all :-) most of those messages are just meant for me or for the melange team anyway |
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| 23:43.47 | dcolish | hmm, well i cant seem to find any notice of moderation except a friend overhearing my name getting dropped here |
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| 23:50.23 | carols | dcolish: dont worry about it. just dont reply all again on the mentors list until we're well into the summer :-) |
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