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| 00:12.35 | hicham | is the program only open for students ? |
| 00:12.51 | wtachi | !eligible |
| 00:12.52 | socinfo | wtachi: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 00:12.54 | wtachi | hicham: ^ |
| 00:13.26 | ojwb | hicham: only students can take part as ... students |
| 00:13.43 | ojwb | the restrictions on mentors are less |
| 00:13.55 | wtachi | tian2992: you have to apply by April 8, and you won't know whether you're accepted until April 22 |
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| 00:14.23 | solardiz | is there a deadline on new mentor registrations with an org? |
| 00:14.44 | ojwb | solardiz: hasn't been in the past |
| 00:14.48 | hicham | wtachi ojwb : thanks |
| 00:14.58 | tian2992 | thanks, are the terms of the application malleable during that period? |
| 00:15.15 | hicham | concludes he's out |
| 00:15.28 | solardiz | ojwb: so, a mentor may register after april 22 to replace another resigning mentor, right? |
| 00:15.35 | ojwb | hmm, if i invite a mentor by email, it just goes back to the same page (with the fields blank) - should I have had a confirmation that the email address was valid? |
| 00:15.40 | ojwb | solardiz: that's my understanding |
| 00:15.42 | tian2992 | wtachi, ? |
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| 00:15.55 | ojwb | solardiz: even if the system didn't allow it this year, I'm sure it could be handled by hand |
| 00:16.24 | wtachi | tian2992: you can add comments after April 8, but your proposal shouldn't change |
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| 00:16.41 | hicham | the eligibility chart shows an empty diagram |
| 00:17.09 | wtachi | hicham: works for me; try the text version? |
| 00:17.26 | ojwb | ah, to answer my own question, it complains if the address isn't for a valid mentor (I just tested it) |
| 00:17.40 | hicham | !eligible |
| 00:17.40 | ojwb | hicham: perhaps you need to expand it to 100%? |
| 00:17.41 | socinfo | hicham: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
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| 00:18.33 | hicham | thanks for you all |
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| 00:18.52 | bwright | How many projects can I apply to/ |
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| 00:18.55 | bwright | ?* |
| 00:19.15 | wtachi | bwright: you can submit up to 20 applications, for any number of orgs |
| 00:19.15 | CrawfordComeaux | carols: When/how are you guys determining which orgs are umbrella orgs? |
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| 00:19.18 | ojwb | bwright: you *can* apply for 20, but you *should* apply for 1-3 |
| 00:19.21 | solardiz | when google allocates slots, do they look solely at the number of students with a mentor assigned (i think so), or also at scoring, comments, applications (i guess not, these are the org's "internal" stuff)? can anyone confirm? |
| 00:19.22 | wtachi | bwright: but that would be silly |
| 00:19.36 | wtachi | !slots |
| 00:19.38 | socinfo | wtachi: "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/site/site/studentallocations |
| 00:19.39 | wtachi | solardiz: ^ |
| 00:19.48 | wtachi | they don't look at scoring, etc. |
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| 00:20.06 | Mathnerd314 | supposing someone lied about their age... how would Google catch them? |
| 00:20.18 | wtachi | Mathnerd314: if they're accepted, they have to submit some paperwork |
| 00:20.18 | ojwb | apparently the number of applications is less of a factor now |
| 00:20.32 | ojwb | google realise some orgs set qualifying tasks, etc |
| 00:20.41 | solardiz | wtachi: thanks |
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| 00:21.31 | solardiz | i actually told some students not to bother applying to us, so this reduced the number of applications that google sees |
| 00:24.02 | ojwb | solardiz: why? lacking prerequisite skills? |
| 00:24.57 | solardiz | ojwb: yes, or requiring too much supervision, or lacking motivation |
| 00:25.05 | wtachi | tian2992: sorry, I gave the wrong date, you won't know whether you're accepted until April 25 |
| 00:25.35 | tian2992 | wtachi, thanks, no problem, that's the date on the timeline, so thanks! |
| 00:26.35 | Mathnerd314 | wtachi: but does that paperwork require an age? and does google verify it? |
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| 00:29.40 | wtachi | Mathnerd314: I don't know. |
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| 00:30.42 | agliodbs | I'm an admin. How do I invite a mentor? |
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| 00:35.19 | BindrNews | hello |
| 00:35.43 | agliodbs | never mind, found it |
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| 00:39.24 | ojwb | Mathnerd314: if you're under 18, please don't apply |
| 00:39.33 | ojwb | you'll just mess everyone around |
| 00:39.53 | ojwb | if you're over 18, then proving it won't be an issue, will it? |
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| 00:42.01 | BindrNews | is there a channel for the Google Code-In? |
| 00:42.15 | ojwb | BindrNews: this one, but it's not running at the moment |
| 00:42.54 | BindrNews | o, so will there be a Code-In for 2011-12? |
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| 00:43.21 | ojwb | google's policy is to not preannounce |
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| 00:43.57 | ojwb | but the last one seemed to be successful, so I'd think it's likely (I have no inside knowledge at all) |
| 00:44.20 | BindrNews | ok, well, I guess I'll just have to bookmark it and wait |
| 00:48.36 | amaurymedeiros | i'm getting 500 Server Error when trying to login on melange. anyone else having this trouble or at least have a clue why is that? |
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| 00:49.12 | solardiz | i got a 500 Server Error when trying to save edited organization profile 10 minutes ago |
| 00:49.14 | solardiz | but logging in works |
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| 00:52.17 | thor_1 | is the server down ? |
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| 00:54.21 | thor_1 | is the gsoc site down ? |
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| 00:55.32 | nassimian | just tried: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2011, and it works |
| 00:56.06 | agliodbs | I was on melange like 20min ago, was wrking fine |
| 00:56.43 | dberkholz | hiya josh |
| 00:57.02 | agliodbs | hey, donnie |
| 00:57.08 | dberkholz | i just got a 500 error too, fwiw |
| 00:57.13 | agliodbs | oh? |
| 00:57.15 | agliodbs | reloads |
| 00:57.22 | ojwb | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.google-melange.com |
| 00:57.43 | agliodbs | what URL? |
| 00:57.51 | agliodbs | this one is working for me |
| 00:58.05 | agliodbs | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2011 |
| 00:58.09 | ojwb | it's running in appengine, so spread over several servers |
| 00:58.19 | dberkholz | ojwb's failed, http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2011 is failing here repeatedly (like 10x) |
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| 00:58.35 | agliodbs | huh. |
| 00:58.37 | agliodbs | beats me |
| 00:58.45 | ojwb | dberkholz: um, it's down according to downforeveryone... |
| 00:59.09 | agliodbs | ojwb: my guess is that it's down on some servers but noth others |
| 00:59.12 | ojwb | SRabbelier: melange seems to be giving 500 to a lot of people right now... |
| 00:59.17 | agliodbs | so it depends on where you get routed |
| 00:59.25 | ojwb | agliodbs: yes, that's what I was suggesting |
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| 00:59.30 | gchaix | yeah, I just had someone tell me they got a 500, too |
| 00:59.44 | LetterRip1 | yep for everyone |
| 00:59.57 | ojwb | everyone except agliodbs |
| 00:59.58 | LetterRip1 | err not everyone but me also i guess :) |
| 01:00.15 | agliodbs | I asked one of our mentors and he could log in |
| 01:00.18 | agliodbs | my guess is DNS fail |
| 01:00.38 | LetterRip1 | what is the DNS for those can find it? |
| 01:00.44 | solardiz | for me, some features are working and some are failing. does not feel like dns/routing. |
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| 01:00.59 | gchaix | I've been having all sorts of auth issues today on variuos Google systems. Usually several force-reloads eventually clears it up. |
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| 01:01.26 | sdubois | Hey, I'm getting a 500 error when I try to register |
| 01:01.28 | agliodbs | oh, yeah. I can get to my dashboard, but I can't do anything |
| 01:01.32 | sdubois | any advice? |
| 01:01.55 | agliodbs | wait several hours, try again |
| 01:02.02 | sdubois | heh, okay |
| 01:02.24 | LetterRip1 | interesting if i tried via a different brower it gave me the login |
| 01:02.35 | LetterRip1 | and then the server error after i'd logged in :) |
| 01:02.52 | LetterRip1 | oh well, will get fixed when they get to it |
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| 01:03.18 | LetterRip1 | better that it happens today than on the 8th :) |
| 01:03.23 | gchaix | yeah, it feels almost like a cache or session issue of some sort. Depending what server you get in the round-robit it might or might not work |
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| 01:07.20 | Ashwanth | is it only me or GSoC page is down? I get 500 Server Error.. |
| 01:07.30 | sdubois | not just you |
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| 01:08.00 | mrlanrat | anyone know an eta for a fix? |
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| 01:08.46 | gchaix | not offhand |
| 01:08.49 | gchaix | soon? ;-) |
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| 01:09.09 | ojwb | if it's a google auth issue, I'd guess quite soon |
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| 01:09.22 | ojwb | if it's melange, might not be for a few hours as they're mostly in europe I think |
| 01:09.29 | ojwb | has anyone mentioned it on #melange? |
| 01:09.49 | gchaix | fortunately, you still have a couple of days before the app deadline |
| 01:10.00 | ojwb | indeed |
| 01:10.22 | ojwb | and you can offer proposals for review outside melange easily enough |
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| 01:11.03 | gchaix | yeah, when in doubt, contact the org directly. At least that's what we'd like at OSUOSL :-) |
| 01:11.39 | ojwb | I think I've yet to hear of an org which doesn't |
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| 01:11.56 | gchaix | pretty much, but I don't want to speak for others :-) |
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| 01:12.23 | dberkholz | does socghop.appspot.com work for everyone? |
| 01:12.25 | dberkholz | it works for me |
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| 01:12.47 | jceel | dberkholz, it doesn't work for me. |
| 01:12.54 | ddaerty0153 | hi, i am getting an internal server error when submitting a proposal. what should i do? |
| 01:12.56 | jceel | sends "500 Server Error" when I log in :-/ |
| 01:13.08 | ddaerty0153 | same error with me too |
| 01:13.09 | mrlanrat | dberkholz: not for me, 500 error. |
| 01:13.11 | dberkholz | darn. google must just lock you into a certain server the first time you go to a url within some time |
| 01:13.13 | ojwb | not for me |
| 01:13.29 | ojwb | or for http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/socghop.appspot.com |
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| 01:13.41 | mrlanrat | hmm, what if you changed your dns servers? |
| 01:13.59 | gchaix | dberkholz: that's kinda what I was thinking. Todays gmail problem killed me for most of the day - no matter what apps domain or consumer account I used |
| 01:14.28 | gchaix | it felt like I was getting the same broken server even after the status page reported it was back |
| 01:14.33 | ddaerty0153 | could someone please explain why this error's coming and method to remove it. |
| 01:14.45 | jceel | hmm, wen I log out from site, it seems to work. |
| 01:14.50 | jceel | but stops when I log in again. |
| 01:14.54 | jceel | when* |
| 01:14.54 | gchaix | ddaerty0153: it's a known issue server-side |
| 01:15.31 | ddaerty0153 | no, i mean they have many servers, so all of them couldnt have same error altogether. right? |
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| 01:16.19 | gchaix | no, it seems to be a subset. So depending on which one you get it might or might not work |
| 01:16.37 | ojwb | ddaerty0153: there's a problem right now, try later |
| 01:16.37 | ojwb | ddaerty0153: you can probably send your draft proposal to the org for review in the meantime |
| 01:16.42 | dberkholz | agliodbs: out of curiosity, were you logged in when it worked? as soon as i clicked log in, it broke |
| 01:16.52 | thor_1 | is it a part of nmap assigment ? |
| 01:16.55 | thor_1 | :D |
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| 01:17.12 | thor_1 | the ddos |
| 01:17.26 | thor_1 | the dos attack |
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| 01:19.44 | dberkholz | hmmm |
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| 01:19.50 | Ashwanth | is it only me or is GSoC page down? I get a 500 Server Error. |
| 01:19.52 | dberkholz | http://code.google.com/status/appengine/ |
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| 01:20.35 | ddaerty0153 | it is down for every1. |
| 01:20.56 | Ashwanth | OMG! |
| 01:21.08 | mrlanrat | dberkholz: nice link! thanks! |
| 01:21.13 | Ashwanth | anyways thanks.. |
| 01:22.41 | gchaix | wonders if this isn't a good time to use socinfo's !learn |
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| 01:24.20 | rachee | Hi, I was trying to update my GSoC application on google-melange but it gives me a 500 server error. Is this the right place for this doubt? |
| 01:24.50 | gchaix | rachee: yes, there's a known issue right now with the servers: http://code.google.com/status/appengine/ |
| 01:25.09 | gchaix | it'll likey be fixed soon |
| 01:25.22 | rachee | Thanks so much for the information |
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| 01:27.02 | gchaix | !learn 500 The 500 errors are likely due to a know issue with AppEngine. Check http://code.google.com/status/appengine/ for status. |
| 01:27.02 | socinfo | gchaix: Invalid arguments for learn. |
| 01:27.05 | gchaix | boo |
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| 01:27.12 | gchaix | reading of documentation fail |
| 01:27.22 | ojwb | !learn 500 as The 500 errors are likely due to a know issue with AppEngine. Check http://code.google.com/status/appengine/ for status. |
| 01:27.23 | socinfo | ojwb: The operation succeeded. |
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| 01:27.34 | gchaix | the "as" is kinda important :-) |
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| 01:27.38 | ojwb | !learn 500 as The 500 errors are likely due to a known issue with AppEngine. Check http://code.google.com/status/appengine/ for status. |
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| 01:27.38 | socinfo | ojwb: The operation succeeded. |
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| 01:27.43 | ojwb | socinfo: forget learn 1 |
| 01:27.43 | socinfo | ojwb: Error: There is no such factoid. |
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| 01:27.47 | thor_1 | it is an nmap task for gsoc ! |
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| 01:27.49 | ojwb | socinfo: forget 500 1 |
| 01:27.50 | socinfo | ojwb: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:27.52 | ojwb | better |
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| 01:28.44 | gchaix | ojwb: thanks for fixing my typo, too :-) |
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| 01:31.16 | Pino456746 | Is this the IRC for google summer of code 2011? |
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| 01:31.21 | gchaix | yes |
| 01:31.23 | dberkholz | yep |
| 01:31.25 | hypatia | Pino456746: sure is |
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| 01:31.53 | Pino456746 | thank you, I have a few questions about Google summer of code 2011. |
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| 01:32.37 | Pino456746 | How much time is expected a week to attend as a student for google summer of code? |
| 01:33.14 | gchaix | it varies with the project and organization |
| 01:33.40 | ddaerty0153 | generally a minimum of 30hrs is expected. |
| 01:33.51 | ojwb | the expectation is it should be your main focus for the coding period |
| 01:33.53 | Pino456746 | When you sign up, do you have to pick a project or organization? |
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| 01:34.04 | gchaix | Pino456746: yes |
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| 01:34.21 | hypatia | Pino456746: you pick a project idea for a particular org. or more than one. |
| 01:34.24 | gchaix | you apply by proposing a project to an organization. They decide if they want to mentor you. |
| 01:35.21 | gchaix | again, it varis from organization to organization. But generally we expect you to have an idea of what you want to do - usually based on something from the project's ideas page - and propose a plan to do it. |
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| 01:37.09 | Pino456746 | I wanted to join, to learn more about programming in C++ and what its like to work with other people. It would be a new experience for me. |
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| 01:37.49 | hypatia | those are good reasons to apply, Pino456746 :) |
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| 01:41.03 | dberkholz | the webapp's working for me again |
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| 01:42.24 | Pino456746 | I'm a novice at C++ programming. I was reading a book on C++ Beginner's Guide, was up to chapter 5 out of 12. |
| 01:43.27 | Pino456746 | I know a little about C++, would this be any concern on being a student for google summer of code? |
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| 01:44.25 | gchaix | Pino456746: no, I don't think there's cause for concern. I'd recommend taking a look at the orgs who are tagged with C++ here: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 |
| 01:44.57 | gchaix | take a look at their ideas pages (linked from their org page) and see if any of the project ideas look interesting to you |
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| 01:48.53 | ojwb | !amigoodenough |
| 01:49.01 | ojwb | hmm |
| 01:49.07 | ojwb | !studentguide |
| 01:49.08 | socinfo | ojwb: "studentguide" is http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/ |
| 01:49.19 | ojwb | Pino456746: see the "am i good enough" section in the above |
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| 01:49.54 | Pino456746 | Once you've applied and selected the organizations, will they contact you if they choose you? |
| 01:50.57 | gchaix | Pino456746: yes, you'll be notified if you're selected. However, it's much more likely that you'll be talking with someone within the organization beforehand about the project |
| 01:50.58 | Triskelios | Pino456746: certainly... remember you can ask them questions in the meantime |
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| 01:51.56 | gchaix | most (if not all) orgs and mentors would prefer to get to know you a little before the final decisions are made. Talk to us while you're working up your proposal |
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| 01:54.54 | Pino456746 | Its like a job interview, but I still don't know. I don't expect to write hunderds of code within hours of work. I just here to learn as much as I can. |
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| 01:55.59 | ojwb | Pino456746: there are more applicants for the place in a typical job interview than here... |
| 01:56.03 | Pino456746 | I would do around 3 hours a week, maby more if I can. Would that be sufficant? |
| 01:56.45 | gchaix | Pino456746: it depends on the project, but generally projects will expect more time than that |
| 01:57.20 | ojwb | Pino456746: most orgs are looking for more like 40 |
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| 01:57.46 | gchaix | it's hard to put a number on it, as all projects are different. It's really a summer internship, so you should expect to be working 20 or more hours a week on it |
| 01:57.49 | ojwb | it seems unlikely you'd get a place as a nice c++ programmer for 3 hours a week |
| 01:57.56 | ojwb | novice even |
| 01:57.58 | dberkholz | 10 times that much might be sufficient |
| 01:58.06 | Pino456746 | that would be hard to expect more time and learing C++ at the same time. |
| 01:58.28 | dberkholz | they're paying you full-time internship salary, so they expect full-time effort |
| 01:58.57 | ojwb | and there's plenty of other applicants prepared to work the expected hours |
| 01:59.21 | Pino456746 | well I'm here to learn, not for a salary. |
| 01:59.44 | ojwb | Pino456746: you can get involved in an open source project without doing gsoc |
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| 01:59.57 | gchaix | Pino456746: the expectation is that the salary is to give you some money to live on while working on GSoC instead of taking a summer job |
| 01:59.58 | Pino456746 | true |
| 01:59.59 | ojwb | but if you're taking part in gsoc, there are expectations |
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| 02:00.29 | gchaix | "salary" is not a good wor, I shouldn;t use it. "stipend" is better |
| 02:00.46 | Pino456746 | oh its like a summer job online. I didn't expect that. |
| 02:01.05 | jrabbit | Pino456746: yeah... |
| 02:01.42 | gchaix | Pino456746: it's really a paid internship |
| 02:01.53 | jrabbit | I'm sure theres projects who would appriciate regular work in c++ and help you learn it... |
| 02:01.57 | Pino456746 | I thought that people would sign-up and do open-source programming and at the end, they might get a reward. |
| 02:02.24 | gchaix | Pino456746: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#administrivia |
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| 02:06.41 | Pino456746 | ah, I think I would wait until next year or so to sign-up. I don't want to end up into a online summer job situation. I would like a place to learn c++ and not expecting part / full time work for witch I can't do yet. |
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| 02:07.44 | gchaix | Pino456746: it's very likely some of the participating organizations would be happy to mentor you outside the GSoC program |
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| 02:09.52 | Pino456746 | Thank you all for the answers you have givin me onto my questions. |
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| 02:10.52 | gchaix | my pleasure! :-) |
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| 02:13.17 | mmoghimi | is there anyone from Google here? |
| 02:13.21 | dberkholz | i'd love to find a place that would pay me to teach me new programming languages too |
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| 02:13.24 | dberkholz | that sounds like a sweet deal |
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| 02:15.22 | ojwb | looks like melange is back |
| 02:15.57 | ojwb | mmoghimi: not sure, but you could just ask your question - someone may know the answer |
| 02:18.33 | ojwb | dberkholz: there are jobs like that, but the languages they'll want you to learn are the ones nobody would learn by choice... |
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| 02:22.30 | dberkholz | cobol! |
| 02:22.47 | dberkholz | pre-77 fortran! |
| 02:23.18 | ojwb | many older scientists seem to at least like to use that by choice |
| 02:23.43 | dberkholz | i know, i had to forward-port some stuff my old boss wrote |
| 02:23.47 | dberkholz | all caps, no indentation |
| 02:23.52 | dberkholz | proprietary vendor extensions |
| 02:24.09 | dberkholz | it's mind-destroying |
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| 02:56.49 | LetterRip | all all, anyone know of a student with gnu gettext expereince |
| 02:57.14 | LetterRip | we have gettext in blender and would like to have it work better for Chinese langauge etc |
| 02:57.28 | LetterRip | since apparently our integration of gettext is not correct or such |
| 02:58.38 | LetterRip | anywho if you have a student you could point towards blender with gettext knowledge preferably someone who has great familiarity with Chinese or such would be appreciated |
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| 03:13.07 | agliodbs | LetterRip: if we had a student for chinese translation, we wouldn't give him/her up |
| 03:13.21 | LetterRip | agliodbs: not for the translation |
| 03:13.29 | LetterRip | for implementing gettext |
| 03:13.37 | LetterRip | better to handle chinese characters in blender |
| 03:13.40 | LetterRip | we have translators :) |
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| 03:15.49 | ojwb | LetterRip: perhaps add "chinese" to your tags? |
| 03:15.57 | LetterRip | ? |
| 03:16.09 | LetterRip | well it isn't chinese in particular |
| 03:16.25 | LetterRip | but internationalization, localization and gettext would be good ideas for tags |
| 03:16.33 | agliodbs | tags? |
| 03:16.35 | ojwb | suitable tags then |
| 03:16.44 | LetterRip | good idea though |
| 03:16.46 | ojwb | agliodbs: each org can list tags |
| 03:16.46 | LetterRip | will add |
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| 03:20.58 | leez87 | next |
| 03:21.34 | agliodbs | ojwb: oh, crap, we haven't listed any |
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| 03:21.39 | agliodbs | is there a list somewhere? |
| 03:21.54 | ojwb | you set it in the org profile |
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| 03:22.07 | ojwb | there's no "official list of tags" |
| 03:23.03 | leez87 | what do you mean? |
| 03:25.20 | ojwb | you can set any tag you want |
| 03:25.31 | ojwb | it's a folksonomy |
| 03:25.39 | ojwb | to use the jargon |
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| 03:26.55 | leez87 | Thanks, but I am new here, where can I find the org profile ? |
| 03:27.18 | ojwb | leez87: are you an org admin? |
| 03:27.28 | leez87 | no |
| 03:27.35 | ojwb | !orglist |
| 03:27.40 | ojwb | !orgs |
| 03:27.41 | socinfo | ojwb: "orgs" is The list of mentoring organizations is at http://goo.gl/0juf3 |
| 03:27.57 | ojwb | leez87: click on entries in the list there ^ |
| 03:28.12 | ojwb | well, I assume it's there |
| 03:28.24 | ojwb | of course it's a shrunk URL, so it could go anywhere, mutter |
| 03:28.28 | agliodbs | ok, tags added |
| 03:28.32 | agliodbs | probably too late, but whatever |
| 03:28.55 | ojwb | agliodbs: I predict you'll see a flood of applications within the next 3 days |
| 03:29.12 | agliodbs | ojwb: I certainly hope so. currently we have 4 |
| 03:29.19 | ojwb | oh dear |
| 03:29.26 | ojwb | postgres? |
| 03:29.39 | agliodbs | yeah |
| 03:29.54 | agliodbs | mind you, we haven't put a lot of effort into contacting schools |
| 03:29.56 | agliodbs | everyone's so busy |
| 03:30.21 | ojwb | a lot of orgs have reported it being quiet, while others are doing well |
| 03:30.24 | ojwb | not clear why |
| 03:30.59 | leez87 | The chrome says : Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to www.google-melange.com |
| 03:31.10 | wtachi | agliodbs: the mention of "If you have just discovered a new algorithm as part of your thesis work" on your ideas page might be putting people off... |
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| 03:31.59 | ojwb | leez87: works for me - what's the detailed error? |
| 03:32.42 | agliodbs | ojwb: link? I don't see that |
| 03:33.11 | ojwb | agliodbs: did you mean wtachi ? |
| 03:33.15 | leez87 | i can go to this site: http://goo.gl/0juf3 |
| 03:33.17 | wtachi | agliodbs: you mean me? http://www.postgresql.org/developer/summerofcode#ideas |
| 03:34.07 | ojwb | http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/GSoC_2011 is the url linked to... |
| 03:34.28 | agliodbs | wtachi: why would that put people off? |
| 03:34.31 | wtachi | hm, must have been changed |
| 03:35.03 | wtachi | agliodbs: it implies you want people with academic experience |
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| 03:35.16 | ojwb | agliodbs: there's not a lot of detail to the ideas, which probably doesn't help |
| 03:35.21 | wtachi | which is probably what you want, it just decreases your student pool |
| 03:35.35 | leez87 | i mean this url http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 |
| 03:36.15 | ojwb | leez87: works for me... |
| 03:36.34 | leez87 | ok maybe it's because the GFW |
| 03:36.40 | ojwb | oh, probably |
| 03:36.53 | ojwb | you might have more luck with http://socghop.appspot.com/ |
| 03:36.57 | agliodbs | yeah, like I said, everyone's been slammed |
| 03:37.02 | ojwb | same site, just different name |
| 03:37.14 | agliodbs | mind you, in the past we wrote up a lot of detail for the ideas |
| 03:37.23 | agliodbs | and then didn't end up accepting any of the students who proposed to do those |
| 03:37.32 | ojwb | hmm |
| 03:37.49 | wtachi | Google rejected a lot of orgs because of ideas lists like that |
| 03:37.53 | leez87 | Error 105 (net::ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED): The server could not be found. |
| 03:37.58 | leez87 | bad luck |
| 03:38.03 | agliodbs | mostly we find that the really committed students already had their own ideas |
| 03:38.37 | agliodbs | wtachi: well, it probably makes a difference that we've been doing this since GSOC started, and have a good track record |
| 03:38.42 | ojwb | wtachi: orgs with a proven track record aren't held to quite the same standards in their applications |
| 03:38.58 | ojwb | which is kind of understandable, but also seems somewhat unfair |
| 03:39.19 | wtachi | still, Yafaray did well last year but was rejected partly because they didn't want to list ideas |
| 03:43.14 | agliodbs | wtachi: well, there's a difference between a not-very-detailed list and no list at all |
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| 03:44.18 | wtachi | that's true |
| 03:44.24 | JRandolph | Do you have to be going to school to be part of gsoc? |
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| 03:44.30 | summatusmentis | you have to be enrolled |
| 03:44.34 | agliodbs | anyway, nobody claimed the org selection process was fair. it's google's money; in a lot of cases they pick projects which google "likes" |
| 03:44.41 | JRandolph | matter what school? |
| 03:44.49 | agliodbs | JRandolph: yes, or within 3mo of graduation |
| 03:44.50 | wtachi | I just think it's interesting that some orgs have poor ideas lists, but are still chosen without consequence |
| 03:44.50 | summatusmentis | JRandolph: not high school |
| 03:44.58 | agliodbs | JRandolph: college or grad school |
| 03:45.00 | JRandolph | summatusmentis: lol |
| 03:45.44 | JRandolph | I'm not interested in the money |
| 03:45.50 | agliodbs | JRandolph: where are you enrolled? |
| 03:46.02 | summatusmentis | but other than that, so long as you're 18+, and enrolled, and not from one of the 4 countries Google can't pay, you're eligible |
| 03:46.03 | JRandolph | I was enrolled in a junior college |
| 03:46.06 | wtachi | JRandolph: some orgs will do mentoring outside of GSoC |
| 03:46.15 | wtachi | if you don't care about money |
| 03:46.21 | summatusmentis | JRandolph: for GSoC, might as well be interested in the money |
| 03:46.23 | agliodbs | JRandolph: if you don't need the money, just start contributing |
| 03:46.30 | summatusmentis | if you just wanna do open source, money is moot |
| 03:46.42 | wtachi | !eligible |
| 03:46.43 | socinfo | wtachi: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 03:46.45 | JRandolph | agliodbs: I'd like to I'm just not sure where to start I suppose |
| 03:46.56 | agliodbs | JRandolph: what project? |
| 03:47.08 | JRandolph | I don't have one in mind right now |
| 03:47.11 | summatusmentis | sort of fell into the lap of his org, originally |
| 03:47.18 | wtachi | what was that site? |
| 03:47.49 | summatusmentis | what site? |
| 03:48.10 | wtachi | there's some site that aggregates easy tasks for open source projects |
| 03:48.23 | JRandolph | Really? |
| 03:48.30 | summatusmentis | oh, I vaguely remember what you're talking about |
| 03:48.33 | agliodbs | JRandolph: well, it should be some project which you use all the time. otherwise you won't have the interest for sustained effors |
| 03:48.33 | wtachi | it's been brought up a few times, but I can't find it |
| 03:48.41 | summatusmentis | one of the orgs in the past develops it |
| 03:48.52 | leez87 | what are the 4 countries ? |
| 03:49.04 | ojwb | wtachi: openhatch? |
| 03:49.22 | wtachi | leez87: see the "eligible" link above |
| 03:49.26 | wtachi | ojwb: yes, that's it! |
| 03:50.14 | JRandolph | maybe I should look at the reddit code |
| 03:50.22 | leez87 | !orgs |
| 03:50.24 | socinfo | leez87: "orgs" is The list of mentoring organizations is at http://goo.gl/0juf3 |
| 03:50.31 | summatusmentis | is reddit an org this year? |
| 03:50.34 | summatusmentis | I'm not applying |
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| 03:51.21 | leez87 | what do you mean by saying money is moot ? |
| 03:51.36 | svaksha | wtachi: openhatch.org |
| 03:51.39 | summatusmentis | well, if what you're interested in is open source, you don't have to participate in GSoC to do it |
| 03:56.15 | wtachi | !learn nogsoc as You can contribute to open source outside of GSoC. Start submitting patches, talk to an organization, or try http://openhatch.org/. Some organizations will even provide mentoring! |
| 03:56.15 | socinfo | wtachi: The operation succeeded. |
| 03:58.48 | summatusmentis | !timeline |
| 03:58.49 | socinfo | summatusmentis: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 04:04.31 | JRandolph | any other sites like openhatch? |
| 04:10.48 | leez87 | what open source irc client is best under linux ? |
| 04:11.28 | summatusmentis | I like irssi |
| 04:11.37 | redheadphones | leez87, irssi and weechat are two good starts |
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| 04:11.49 | redheadphones | i prefer weechat, but choose what works |
| 04:11.55 | redheadphones | for you, that is |
| 04:12.13 | ojwb | !polls |
| 04:12.14 | socinfo | ojwb: "polls" is Please don't use #gsoc to do polls. |
| 04:12.31 | redheadphones | goes back to lurking |
| 04:13.02 | dberkholz | agliodbs: fwiw, we're really low on applications too compared to what we "expect" in the end, based on previous years... |
| 04:13.03 | leez87 | thanks, i am under ubuntu |
| 04:15.13 | agliodbs | dberkholz: yeah. mind you, I don't think we've publicized our participation that much |
| 04:15.20 | agliodbs | also GSOC is late this year |
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| 04:16.16 | dberkholz | we've got roughly 1/3 of what we had 2 years ago, or 1/4 of what we had last year |
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| 04:16.48 | dberkholz | yeah, the late timeline can really screw with students' ability to apply to gsoc vs committing to something else |
| 04:16.51 | agliodbs | dberkholz: which org? |
| 04:16.58 | dberkholz | gentoo |
| 04:17.17 | agliodbs | dberkholz: on the other hand, all 4 proposals are very good |
| 04:17.19 | LetterRip | dberkholz: we are getting close to what we had last year after a lot of effort recruiting this year and none last year |
| 04:17.31 | LetterRip | about the same number of good proposals as well |
| 04:17.37 | dberkholz | we're getting a fair number of high-quality ones |
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| 04:17.48 | LetterRip | a few more 'awful' ones though |
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| 04:18.13 | dberkholz | i'd be happy to accept half the ones we've gotten |
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| 04:20.08 | leez87 | i want to distribute to an open source project, any advices ? |
| 04:21.02 | dberkholz | agliodbs: that's about on par with what we're seeing in my other org, x.org |
| 04:21.05 | wtachi | leez87: you mean outside of GSoC? |
| 04:21.13 | leez87 | yes |
| 04:21.19 | wtachi | !nogsoc |
| 04:21.20 | socinfo | wtachi: "nogsoc" is You can contribute to open source outside of GSoC. Start submitting patches, talk to an organization, or try http://openhatch.org/. Some organizations will even provide mentoring! |
| 04:21.24 | wtachi | leez87: ^ |
| 04:21.38 | leez87 | thanks |
| 04:21.40 | wtachi | just start submitting patches or talking to software projects, whichever works for you |
| 04:22.53 | leez87 | it is a good site |
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| 04:33.28 | CrawfordComeaux | I'm thinking I may need to offer up a random project idea for myself: an app that will remind me to eat, sleep, etc. & help me stick to a routine...and punishes me when I don't. |
| 04:33.56 | wtachi | CrawfordComeaux: what kind of punishment are we talking about? |
| 04:34.15 | CrawfordComeaux | wtachi: that's open-ended for a reason...I have no clue |
| 04:34.46 | CrawfordComeaux | I'd be curious to see what kind of suggestions would come down the pipe from that prompt, though |
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| 04:35.51 | wtachi | hm, if all the applicants are people who need the app personally... |
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| 04:36.50 | CrawfordComeaux | Really, I could easily write up a whole suite of ideas for behavior modifications I need :P |
| 04:37.54 | wtachi | aren't there some orgs related to genetic engineering? |
| 04:38.02 | wtachi | that might be the ultimate solution |
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| 04:55.07 | CrawfordComeaux | nah...too low-level for me |
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| 04:56.44 | Shekhar29 | How do I know how many student applying for a particular organization? |
| 04:57.19 | CrawfordComeaux | i think you have to ask the org |
| 04:59.10 | agliodbs | Shekhar29: and they might not tell you. Apply to the project(s) you actually want to work on. |
| 04:59.16 | agliodbs | don't try to "work the odds" |
| 05:00.07 | Shekhar29 | agliodbs: Ok... |
| 05:00.47 | Shekhar29 | When GSoC selected student list? |
| 05:01.13 | Shekhar29 | When GSoC show selected student list? |
| 05:01.25 | hypatia | !timeline |
| 05:01.25 | socinfo | hypatia: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 05:01.29 | hypatia | Shekhar29: ^^ |
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| 05:13.58 | thunder_island | woohoo! working the deadline! |
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| 06:15.48 | ojwb | ooh, my first real notification |
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| 06:16.00 | ojwb | SRabbelier: I guess they're live now then? |
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| 06:16.45 | kblin | ojwb: since yesterday night, iirc |
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| 06:17.06 | ojwb | for some values of yesterday and night... |
| 06:17.29 | ojwb | should I get an email for new apps? |
| 06:17.33 | ojwb | I've had two recently |
| 06:17.41 | ojwb | but only got an email for an updated one |
| 06:18.16 | kblin | 00:08 <@SRabbelier> notifications are live ... and 00:11 <@SRabbelier> rolling back to previous release 00:11 <@SRabbelier> bug ! 00:14 <@SRabbelier> deploying fix :) |
| 06:18.32 | kblin | all times are UTC+0200 |
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| 06:19.07 | ojwb | ooh, i have last mod time in the list view |
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| 06:20.24 | ojwb | SRabbelier: sorting by lastmod is pretty much useless - it seems to be sorting on the string value... |
| 06:20.58 | ojwb | SRabbelier: i can file a ticket if you want |
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| 06:24.14 | ojwb | SRabbelier: not sure I believe those dates either - i just got a notification for an updated proposal, and the last mod in the list for it says 30th march |
| 06:24.59 | ojwb | according to comments, it was modified april 3rd |
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| 06:38.32 | SRabbelier | hi |
| 06:38.47 | SRabbelier | ojwb: yeah, so apparently when I deployed the fix, I didn't the set default version |
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| 06:38.59 | SRabbelier | ojwb: curious, investigating |
| 06:39.54 | CrawfordComeaux | How does Google determine if an org is an umbrella org? |
| 06:41.02 | SRabbelier | CrawfordComeaux: why do they need to do that? |
| 06:42.02 | ojwb | SRabbelier: easy fix for the lastmod sort would be to change the date format to something like YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS |
| 06:42.08 | CrawfordComeaux | SRabbelier: it comes into play when assigning slots to orgs |
| 06:42.16 | SRabbelier | CrawfordComeaux: it does? |
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| 06:42.23 | SRabbelier | ojwb: yeah, that's what I'm doing atm |
| 06:42.25 | ojwb | so the document says |
| 06:42.32 | ojwb | though it's a bit dated I think anyway |
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| 06:45.53 | SRabbelier | deploying fix |
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| 06:48.15 | ojwb | SRabbelier: seems the proposal was updated - I just asked the student |
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| 06:48.43 | SRabbelier | ojwb: hm? |
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| 06:50.23 | SRabbelier | ojwb: fixed |
| 06:52.37 | arjunvj3 | do the mentor get some kind of notification when the proposal is updated ? |
| 06:52.53 | arjunvj3 | or should I inform them ? |
| 06:53.00 | SRabbelier | arjunvj3: they are notified now |
| 06:53.01 | ojwb | arjunvj3: as of earlier today they do |
| 06:53.03 | CrawfordComeaux | arjunvj3: they're notified |
| 06:53.09 | arjunvj3 | thanks |
| 06:53.10 | SRabbelier | arjunvj3: although notifications weren't working earlier |
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| 07:05.17 | hazelnusse | I was a GSoC student in 2009 and would like to be a mentor this year. When I click on the link marked "Or register as a mentor"on the main page, I am redirected to a page that says: |
| 07:05.19 | hazelnusse | "You cannot register as a mentor since you are already a student in Google Summer of Code 2011." |
| 07:05.26 | hazelnusse | How do I fix this? |
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| 07:14.22 | ojwb | by waiting more than 2 minutes... |
| 07:14.28 | ojwb | sighs |
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| 07:16.50 | ojwb | SRabbelier: I was referring to the other last mod issue I'd hit - I got a notification about a student updating his proposal, and indeed asking him on IRC he has updated it just recently, but the last-mod date is "2011-03-30 22:24:57" |
| 07:17.32 | ojwb | so it sounds like the last-mod date reported doesn't include updating the proposal, which sees surprising |
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| 07:41.52 | saksham | is it true that when you click on update, it's sending another copy instead? |
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| 07:42.01 | saksham | rather than just updating the existing copy |
| 07:42.15 | saksham | ? |
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| 07:43.57 | kai | saksham: on what observation do you base this theory? |
| 07:44.40 | |Kev| | It's certainly not consistently the case, several students have updated their proposals with us without creating dupes. |
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| 07:46.18 | ojwb | I've only had one duplicate, which I think was just the student submitting it twice to start with |
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| 07:46.42 | ojwb | and I've had numerous updates |
| 07:46.57 | ojwb | some recent |
| 07:47.05 | antimatroid | do you consider updates bad? |
| 07:47.19 | antimatroid | i am aiming to make at most one update |
| 07:47.44 | kai | why would updates be bad/ |
| 07:47.45 | kai | ? |
| 07:48.02 | antimatroid | submitted the application before putting in sufficient time to get the application ready? |
| 07:48.30 | kai | I usually encourage students to submit as soon as possible |
| 07:48.44 | ojwb | certainly i'm happy for it to be submitted once it's not just a skeleton |
| 07:48.53 | |Kev| | Submitting a half-job creates a bad impression. |
| 07:49.06 | ojwb | some orgs prefer to work on proposals before submission though |
| 07:49.08 | |Kev| | Submitting something sensible and improving on it, especially based on feedback, is good. |
| 07:49.09 | kai | ok, so opinions certainly diverge |
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| 07:49.21 | mpounta | I am a student, and i have made several updates, in order to make the best proposal i can. I think it's normal to correct things until the limit of 8 April, just my oppinion |
| 07:49.40 | |Kev| | kai: By 'half job' I mean missing half the template out, or only including an abstract, or something. |
| 07:49.47 | antimatroid | yeah, i think |Kev|'s comments sum up what i would expect |
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| 07:49.54 | ojwb | bear in mind there's no "diff" or "track changes" currently, so add a comment telling us what you changed |
| 07:51.29 | saksham | I said that since a few hours ago, i read on this chat that some students couldnt update |
| 07:51.35 | saksham | inestead it got duplicated. |
| 07:51.49 | saksham | (10:21:55 PM) Talad: I asked them to withdraw the duplicate, they say they withdraw the proposal, but the proposal is still there |
| 07:51.49 | saksham | (10:22:07 PM) Talad: anyone here successfully deleted/removed a proposal? |
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| 07:52.19 | Talad | saksham: yes, I created a ticket on this |
| 07:52.24 | Talad | seems to happen to others |
| 07:52.36 | CrawfordComeaux | I've asked students to submit loose rough drafts, but we don't have anything in development, so all projects done with us will be the initial development. A loose rough draft helps me identify ways they've potentially misunderstood the ideas before they put too much effort into a proposal we're not at all interested in |
| 07:53.16 | ajedwards | after submitting a proposal the plan or approach you have thought of can shift as you learn more about the org. so it makes sense to update and improve on your initial proposal |
| 07:53.27 | aghisla | it depends on how much discussion took place before the actual melange submission. |
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| 07:53.34 | |Kev| | CrawfordComeaux: Seems entirely reasonable. I prefer students to discuss out of band, before submitting something competent inband. |
| 07:53.37 | |Kev| | So opinions vary :) |
| 07:53.39 | saksham | i just sent my proposal now :( |
| 07:53.47 | saksham | i'm late :( |
| 07:53.52 | saksham | hope not too late |
| 07:54.06 | kai | !next |
| 07:54.07 | socinfo | kai: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 07:54.09 | aghisla | saksham: have a cookie |
| 07:54.13 | kai | last I checked, today is the 6th |
| 07:54.34 | saksham | yes i know that... I meant that mentors prefer you too send it earlier |
| 07:54.46 | dis | is it just me or ajax (or whatever) lists don't work anymore ? (orgs list, proposal list, etc) |
| 07:54.55 | saksham | !orgs |
| 07:54.56 | |Kev| | WFM |
| 07:54.56 | socinfo | saksham: "orgs" is The list of mentoring organizations is at http://goo.gl/0juf3 |
| 07:55.19 | CrawfordComeaux | |Kev|: I think doing it this way may be easier on me, since I suspect most of my applicants need a little bit more of a hands-on approach... |
| 07:56.00 | |Kev| | CrawfordComeaux: Very possibly. I just dislike the muddle of re-reading proposals in Melange without knowing what's changed etc etc etc. |
| 07:56.44 | CrawfordComeaux | |Kev|: how many proposals have you guys gotten? |
| 07:56.57 | |Kev| | Very few this year, it's quite upsetting. |
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| 07:57.21 | CrawfordComeaux | What do you consider "few"? |
| 07:57.47 | |Kev| | Sent in PM. |
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| 08:06.06 | CrawfordComeaux | Is there a negative impact for mentor removal or unassigned mentors? |
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| 08:08.08 | |Kev| | I'm not aware of one, but Carol's probably the only person to ask about that. |
| 08:08.23 | CrawfordComeaux | Ok... |
| 08:09.08 | CrawfordComeaux | Just don't want to spike some statistic because I've invited our local dev community to apply as mentors purely for commenting/ranking |
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| 08:19.19 | sonney2k | SRabbelier, thanks for notifications and all the new ui improvements :-) |
| 08:19.41 | CrawfordComeaux | SRabbelier: yes...much obliged :) |
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| 08:47.40 | yuyuy | to apply for organisations |
| 08:48.04 | cmn__ | yuyuy: go to google-melange.com |
| 08:48.13 | yuyuy | k |
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| 09:04.25 | MatthewWilkes | Androids rule: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTUwqxHpXMY |
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| 09:09.56 | gevaerts | claims that "android" is wrong, and it should clearly be "a droid" |
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| 09:10.15 | ajedwards | that's pretty awesome |
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| 09:16.01 | xdxn_ | Hi everybody! i just heard that China has been removed from the list because of the tension between google and China gov. is that true? |
| 09:16.37 | ajedwards | if it isn't true, then it's a believable story |
| 09:17.25 | |Kev| | 'the list'? |
| 09:17.26 | gevaerts | What list? |
| 09:18.29 | gevaerts | As far as I know, there is no list of allowed countries for gsoc |
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| 09:19.09 | gevaerts | There is only the list of banned countries, which is the usual one for US companies, and which isn't something google can do much about. That list does *not* have China on it |
| 09:19.29 | xdxn_ | the list of allowed countries |
| 09:19.46 | gevaerts | That list doesn't exist |
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| 09:21.15 | ajedwards | here's a point though, what if the "student" is enrolled on a "course" at an institution that is questionable academically (i.e. buying their degree, as opposed to working) |
| 09:21.40 | ajedwards | are there checks in place to make sure this doesn't happen? |
| 09:22.23 | gevaerts | ajedwards: isn't that what the "accredited" thing is about? |
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| 09:22.48 | xdxn_ | Thank you very much. I hope so, because i've just submitted my application. |
| 09:23.37 | ajedwards | Not sure gevaerts, I was just thinking :) |
| 09:24.17 | ajedwards | my university was the first to offer a computer science degree in the UK, as a side note 1967 I think it was |
| 09:25.04 | kai | sighs |
| 09:25.12 | kai | stupid imperial measurements |
| 09:25.16 | ajedwards | one of those days kai? |
| 09:25.28 | MatthewWilkes | ajedwards: Hmm, which one's that? |
| 09:25.28 | |Kev| | Ah. Manchester. |
| 09:25.32 | MatthewWilkes | ah :P |
| 09:25.39 | gevaerts | gives kai a pound of chocolate |
| 09:25.42 | |Kev| | Lots of good Taekwon-do clubs up there. |
| 09:25.54 | ajedwards | MatthewWilkes, Staffordshire - it was, along with brighton, the first in the UK to offer the courses |
| 09:26.05 | kai | 90 dpi is 90/25.4 dots/mm => 3.543 dots/mm |
| 09:26.06 | |Kev| | Are you sure? I thought Manchester was. |
| 09:26.23 | ajedwards | BCS computer history museum was where I saw that... |
| 09:26.47 | |Kev| | What does wikipedia say? I'd probably trust that more than I trust the BCS :D |
| 09:26.51 | MatthewWilkes | ajedwards: Huh? I've never even heard of Staffs Uni. What kind of midlander am I? |
| 09:27.06 | ajedwards | MatthewWilkes, North Staffs polytech ? |
| 09:27.21 | ajedwards | they changed names in '92 i think |
| 09:27.31 | gevaerts | Changed names? Suspicious, that! |
| 09:27.33 | gevaerts | hides |
| 09:27.47 | ajedwards | 1992 group gevaerts :p |
| 09:28.20 | gevaerts | 1992 group? |
| 09:28.34 | MatthewWilkes | ajedwards: Nope. No clue, sorry! |
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| 09:28.51 | ajedwards | A number of polytechnic colleges were given university status in 1992, and joined to form larger institutions |
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| 09:30.00 | kai | I've built a gear with inkscape that has a circular pitch of 90px, so the real circular pitch would be 90dots / (3.543 dots/mm) ~ 16.24 mm |
| 09:30.03 | ajedwards | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staffordshire_University#Academic_profile |
| 09:30.17 | gevaerts | ajedwards: in that case it can't have been the first university with a CS degree in 1967 :) |
| 09:30.25 | g4ur4v | i applied for a project in gsoc without a mentor..will i get a mentor later? |
| 09:30.39 | g4ur4v | or ill hav to serach for one? |
| 09:30.44 | gevaerts | g4ur4v: you mean there wasn't a mentor listed next to the idea? |
| 09:30.56 | g4ur4v | ya |
| 09:31.10 | ajedwards | haha, I guess by technicality, it isn't.. |
| 09:31.52 | MatthewWilkes | ajedwards: Don't mind gevaerts, he's a smart arse :) |
| 09:32.01 | gevaerts | g4ur4v: a number of organisations only assign mentors to ideas/projects rather late, so this is likely to be normal and not something to worry about. However, if you want to be *really* sure, ask the organisation |
| 09:32.28 | g4ur4v | thnx for ur help |
| 09:32.58 | gevaerts | ajedwards: that's not a technicality! As an analogy, I wasn't the first five year old to be 35 years old in 1980, because I *wasn't* 35 years old! |
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| 09:34.13 | ajedwards | Our school of computing is still the same school of computing, so its still the same school of computing which offered the degree in the first place |
| 09:34.58 | ajedwards | unfortunately we joined the "IT" school of computing at the other campus and they dragged the statistics down a lot.. |
| 09:35.12 | |Kev| | I was under the impression that Polys couldn't award degrees (i.e. they had to be validated by a University). |
| 09:35.58 | MatthewWilkes | you don't have to be able to award degrees to offer a degree course |
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| 09:37.58 | |Kev| | True. |
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| 10:31.36 | ThomasWaldmann | sinha has updated their new proposal to MoinMoin named UI improvements in MoinMoin wiki at None: |
| 10:31.49 | ThomasWaldmann | their? None? :) |
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| 10:34.53 | |Kev| | Well, 'their' doesn't seem inappopriate, 'None' looks a little like data not being cleand, but it's not crashing, so... :) |
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| 10:35.36 | ThomasWaldmann | kevin7kal: one can say "their" when referring to one person? |
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| 10:36.14 | ThomasWaldmann | btw, None was a link to "None". :) |
| 10:36.19 | |Kev| | Wrong highlight, and yes, kinda. |
| 10:36.27 | ThomasWaldmann | oops |
| 10:36.40 | |Kev| | One shouldn't really, if one's being correct, but it's often done to get around the lack of sex. |
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| 10:36.58 | ThomasWaldmann | ah, ok, didn't know that |
| 10:37.20 | |Kev| | FWIW: O'Reilly guidelines suggest picking a sex and sticking to it in a book, but that's much more difficult when talking about a specific person. |
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| 10:38.01 | |Kev| | "ThomasWaldmann has meddled with her proposal" is going to get more backs up than "ThomasWaldmann has meddled with their proposal" |
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| 11:03.42 | ojwb | |Kev|: it could use the name of the student |
| 11:04.15 | |Kev| | It could. |
| 11:04.28 | ojwb | thinks how you'd best rephrase it |
| 11:04.36 | |Kev| | "Their" is in general mis-use in this manner, though, I don't think it's a big deal. |
| 11:05.03 | |Kev| | As is my use of punctuation there. |
| 11:06.52 | ojwb | fails to find a way to phrase it which is less clumsy |
| 11:08.26 | ojwb | best alternative I can think of is: NAME has updated proposal "TITLE" |
| 11:09.21 | kai | Proposal $title was updated by $name |
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| 11:10.15 | kai | but probably the active form is nicer |
| 11:10.22 | ojwb | yeah, that was my feeling |
| 11:10.27 | gevaerts | The mentor profile has gender. presumably the student profile has that info too |
| 11:10.30 | ojwb | since somebody definitely did something |
| 11:10.40 | ojwb | should that be revealed here though? |
| 11:10.50 | gevaerts | hm, right |
| 11:10.52 | ojwb | knows we don't ask the student's gender otherwise |
| 11:10.55 | gevaerts | Probably not |
| 11:10.57 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Right, but that a) requires writing code, and b) reveals it to the org, who otherwise wouldn't know. |
| 11:10.58 | kai | it's part of the "private" information |
| 11:11.33 | kai | |Kev|: where otherwise the org would have to do a skype interview to find out :) |
| 11:11.46 | |Kev| | I'm not sure that would necessarily reveal it :) |
| 11:12.06 | kai | no that it matters, in any case |
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| 11:12.22 | kai | we could random the gender for every notification, now that'd be fun |
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| 11:12.53 | ojwb | i feel "pick a gender" isn't a good option for a particular person |
| 11:13.15 | kai | Angie updated his proposal. Sverre updated her proposal. Kai updated its proposal |
| 11:13.26 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: Indeed. Do we ask that question? |
| 11:13.55 | MatthewWilkes | I'm -sys.MAXINT on Male/Female for gender question |
| 11:13.58 | ojwb | which one? |
| 11:14.11 | MatthewWilkes | just got back from lunch and is contextless |
| 11:14.22 | kai | "$name updated proposal $title" sounds fine, I think |
| 11:14.24 | ojwb | google probably ask gender |
| 11:14.29 | ojwb | orgs don't get that ingo |
| 11:14.31 | ojwb | info |
| 11:14.34 | ojwb | I guess some may ask |
| 11:14.38 | kai | just what you want for the t-shirt |
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| 11:14.53 | ojwb | systers probably do... |
| 11:15.01 | ojwb | or did, not sure if they're in this year |
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| 11:15.13 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: Ah, male/female/other |
| 11:15.18 | MatthewWilkes | I think I'm ok with that |
| 11:15.18 | ajedwards | are the t-shirts org. or google made? |
| 11:15.29 | kai | ajedwards: google |
| 11:15.32 | ajedwards | cool |
| 11:15.39 | ojwb | well, I doubt they own looms |
| 11:15.44 | ajedwards | lol |
| 11:15.57 | ajedwards | they own a lot... they might? |
| 11:16.02 | ojwb | possibly |
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| 11:16.37 | kai | I doubt it, I guess if google owned the looms, the sizes would be more reliable, because then an engineer would tinker with it on 20% time until it worked |
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| 11:16.39 | MatthewWilkes | ajedwards: Yeah, the Plone Foundation actually owns most of the british crown jewels |
| 11:16.44 | MatthewWilkes | and so much land in Canada… |
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| 11:18.55 | msankhala | ? |
| 11:18.58 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: I heard you can walk from Britain to Canada entirely on land owned by the Plone Foundation |
| 11:19.18 | kai | ojwb: depends on what was in the cookies |
| 11:19.21 | kai | !cookie |
| 11:19.22 | socinfo | kai: "cookie" is omnomnom |
| 11:19.24 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: Well, Drupal has a ransom strip in the atlantic |
| 11:19.27 | msankhala | Is there any way to delete the proposal submitted to any organization? |
| 11:19.38 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: ah, the mid atlantic ridge |
| 11:19.48 | kai | msankhala: there should be a "withdraw" button |
| 11:19.50 | ojwb | msankhala: the org can't |
| 11:19.58 | ojwb | the student can withdraw it apparently |
| 11:20.08 | ajedwards | here's a thinker... do microsoft employees sit around for 15 minutes longer searching because they use bing? or do they just google it? |
| 11:20.20 | msankhala | kai, i did it but that time it did't work. let me try one more time |
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| 11:20.28 | ojwb | found that mentors list message a bit odd - only the student is allowed to remove the application because they own the data |
| 11:20.54 | ojwb | that's like saying my sysadmin can't delete spam from my inbox at my request because the spammer owns the data |
| 11:20.57 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: We had the ability to mark as spam before |
| 11:21.01 | ojwb | indeed |
| 11:21.22 | ojwb | I can understand a random third party not being allowed to |
| 11:21.27 | ojwb | but if the org want it gone... |
| 11:21.32 | |Kev| | ojwb: Did you check the ToS? |
| 11:21.57 | |Kev| | I haven't, but if those say 'you own the data and we won't delete it' to the student... |
| 11:22.01 | ojwb | no, who owns the data didn't seem to be the issue |
| 11:22.08 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: The remove button is a "This proposal is invalid" not "This is unacceptable" |
| 11:22.17 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: It's like moderation, that's ok |
| 11:22.24 | ojwb | really, it's just removing it from view |
| 11:22.30 | ojwb | it doesn't have to delete the bits from disk |
| 11:22.36 | MatthewWilkes | And it's useful, as it helps google work out how many proposals an org got, discounting spam |
| 11:22.44 | kai | right. I own my dashboard, don't I? |
| 11:22.58 | |Kev| | I did think it odd too, but assumed it came down to T&S legalese. |
| 11:23.31 | |Kev| | T&S? ToS. |
| 11:23.39 | aghisla | i think it makes sense until the student is not a spammer |
| 11:23.58 | aghisla | otherwise admins need anti-spam tools |
| 11:24.16 | msankhala | when i click on withdraw button then it redirect me on view of that proposal. it is not asking any confirmation. |
| 11:24.31 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: The original Series? |
| 11:24.40 | kai | |Kev|: the data can stay in the database for all I care |
| 11:24.50 | ojwb | T&C ITYM |
| 11:24.50 | kai | I just want to not see it on the dashboard |
| 11:25.09 | |Kev| | ojwb: ToS, I meant, it just got muddled somewhere in my head. |
| 11:25.16 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: Probably. |
| 11:25.28 | |Kev| | Student Deletion: The Next Generation. |
| 11:26.14 | msankhala | kai, when i click again on update of that proposal then there is no withdraw button. there is only resubmit button. |
| 11:26.27 | ojwb | that means it is now withdrawn |
| 11:26.32 | ojwb | resubmit un-withdraws it |
| 11:26.41 | kai | then it's with...what ojwb said |
| 11:26.54 | ojwb | there's no confirmation, but it's easy to reverse |
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| 11:29.57 | kai | |Kev|: I can't see a "we promise we won't delete your data" in the ToS |
| 11:30.50 | ConfusedVorlon | hi folks. Question about process for mentoring. I have proposed a project with vlc. Two students so far have applied to do that project. My guess is that vlc would only want one in the end (for this project). Should I click 'I want to mentor this project' for any applicants, and then go through a process later to pick between applicants? |
| 11:31.05 | ojwb | ConfusedVorlon: yes |
| 11:31.06 | |Kev| | kai: Fair enough. |
| 11:31.11 | ConfusedVorlon | thx |
| 11:31.16 | kai | section 1.5 deals with google's rights with respect to the proposal, and there's no "right to delete" in there, but I thought that's a given |
| 11:31.30 | ojwb | ConfusedVorlon: well, assuming both applicants+applications are good enough for you to be willing to mentor |
| 11:31.57 | kai | if they need to explicitly get the permission to store the proposal, I guess deciding to not store it anymore is up to google |
| 11:32.57 | kai | nice |
| 11:33.09 | kai | just found unknown horizons |
| 11:33.15 | kai | looks cute |
| 11:33.33 | |Kev| | Heh. |
| 11:33.41 | |Kev| | Yeah, I'm resisting temptation to get involved. |
| 11:34.25 | ConfusedVorlon | ojwb: I don't think I would want to mentor two - and one candidate still has some way to go in demonstrating his ability. |
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| 11:34.58 | ojwb | ConfusedVorlon: sure, but your org admin won't give you two |
| 11:35.00 | ConfusedVorlon | ojwb: is the 'i would like to mentor' supposed to mean 'yes - you are ready to go' or 'I am the guy who would mentor this project if it was selected' |
| 11:35.09 | ojwb | especially not on the same project idea... |
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| 11:35.29 | kai | ConfusedVorlon: if in doubt, talk to your org admin |
| 11:35.40 | ojwb | ConfusedVorlon: it is just meant to mean you'd be willing to mentor that student |
| 11:35.56 | ojwb | it permits the org admin to select you as the mentor |
| 11:35.57 | ConfusedVorlon | ojwb: just don't want to be confusing the students... |
| 11:36.02 | ConfusedVorlon | thanks |
| 11:36.05 | ojwb | i don't think the students see that |
| 11:36.06 | MatthewWilkes | ConfusedVorlon: Projects can't be accepted without an assigned mentor |
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| 11:41.24 | ahel | during the week where is mid-term evaluation i can code or is a forced pause, or this evaluation takes a lot of time? |
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| 11:42.25 | jceel | ahel, you can code all the time of course |
| 11:42.26 | |Kev| | You keep coding from start to finish. |
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| 11:42.42 | anoob | i'm not a student, can I join to gsoc? |
| 11:42.55 | jceel | ahel, evaluation is done by your mentor, you have certainly nothing to do with it |
| 11:43.05 | jceel | anoob, no. |
| 11:43.11 | ahel | cool ty all of you |
| 11:43.25 | anoob | jceel, thank you |
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| 11:43.50 | jceel | anoob, well, you can if you will be student at afair 24 april 2011 ;-) |
| 11:44.15 | anoob | jceel, that's bad :) |
| 11:44.48 | anoob | jceel, do you know any program like gsoc? |
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| 11:45.18 | jceel | anoob, i heard about something called ruby-soc last year |
| 11:45.43 | anoob | jceel, but you need to be a student too... |
| 11:46.28 | kai | anoob: of course you don't need to be a student to get involved in open source |
| 11:46.32 | ThFabba | <jceel> ahel, evaluation is done by your mentor, you have certainly nothing to do with it << well... except that you evaluate your mentor, too |
| 11:46.49 | anoob | kai, i see ... |
| 11:46.55 | kai | ThFabba: but that stops you from coding for like 10 minutes |
| 11:47.19 | kai | ThFabba: if you cut down your webcomic time by 10 minutes, you can make up for the time |
| 11:47.22 | kai | ;) |
| 11:47.27 | ThFabba | lol |
| 11:47.37 | ThFabba | 10 minutes, though? I was hoping for a larger form *g* |
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| 11:47.52 | kai | depending on what language you're programming in, you could do it while your code is compiling |
| 11:48.01 | ojwb | had a proposal where they'd allowed a week for the mid term evaluation |
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| 11:48.34 | kai | ojwb: time to prepare for the written examn and the thesis defense, good :) |
| 11:49.01 | ojwb | they'd also allowed some time to get the code into shape for review, which was more reasonable |
| 11:49.17 | ThFabba | Mmh, compiling. Best part of the job :D http://xkcd.com/303/ |
| 11:49.18 | ojwb | think they'd just misunderstood what the midterm involved |
| 11:49.37 | kai | ojwb: possibly |
| 11:50.01 | kai | did you tell them you'd rate on how many commits they needed to get it right as well? |
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| 11:50.33 | kai | for the record, I'm kidding. Just so nobody gets the wrong idea :) |
| 11:50.43 | ThFabba | Well more commits == better :p |
| 11:50.48 | dberkholz | i wouldn't mind more small commits... |
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| 11:51.35 | kai | dberkholz: but "try X" "revert X" "try Y" "revert Y" should be squashed before asking for a review :) |
| 11:52.52 | ThFabba | innocently looks over at mercurial's 'modify history' |
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| 11:53.07 | dberkholz | i would kinda hope people aren't committing code that doesn't actually work |
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| 11:55.29 | |Kev| | dberkholz: committing code that doesn't work is very sensible if you're planning to squash it later. |
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| 11:56.20 | |Kev| | It's only pushing code that's bad that's somewhat questionable :) |
| 11:56.23 | dberkholz | i like to test stuff before i commit |
| 11:56.27 | dberkholz | maybe i'm just weird |
| 11:56.28 | |Kev| | IMOYMMV. |
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| 11:56.57 | |Kev| | I often align commits with testing stuff. |
| 11:57.19 | |Kev| | I don't see any downside to doing so, and a number of upsides. |
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| 12:04.26 | Ashwanth | does anyone know how to remove or del a proposal made on GSoC?? |
| 12:04.40 | Ashwanth | i accidently submitted it twice.. |
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| 12:04.53 | Syberia | Ashwanth: withdraw button |
| 12:05.54 | Ashwanth | thanks Syberia, got it! :) |
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| 12:12.21 | CrawfordComeaux | grrr....my phone keeps buzzing from relative emailing me about a busted CD drive...each time my phone buzzes, I get excited about potentially having a new proposal/revision to review... |
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| 12:28.26 | kai | CrawfordComeaux: fix the CD drive? :) |
| 12:28.56 | CrawfordComeaux | kai: she's in DC & I'm in Louisiana :P |
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| 12:29.59 | kai | CrawfordComeaux: I'm sure bestbuy has usb cd drives ;) |
| 12:30.23 | sri13 | !next |
| 12:30.24 | socinfo | sri13: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 12:30.43 | CrawfordComeaux | kai: I know, right? |
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| 12:32.13 | kai | CrawfordComeaux: I'm a computer scientist working in a biology department, I know your pain :) |
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| 12:33.35 | CrawfordComeaux | kai: Most ridiculous issue you've had to fix ever? |
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| 12:35.07 | CrawfordComeaux | Mine was my 8th grade history teacher. She'd gotten new macs as part of a grant, but was complaining about them always being broken. When I went to work on one that was sleeping, she said "Don't bother with those, they're busted"... |
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| 12:36.26 | CrawfordComeaux | She was amazed when I got them all "working". When she asked how I did it, I told her to just "shake the mouse". I got called out of class 2 days later because the computers wouldn't always wake up when she picked the mice up, shook them in the air, and set them back down... |
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| 12:39.02 | kai | CrawfordComeaux: hard to decide actually. I think a computer that didn't work because a fuse had burned out and the whole room was without power |
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| 12:39.34 | kai | for some reason the user understood while the various lab machines didn't work, but didn't figure out why it'd affect the computer |
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| 12:40.30 | kai | I guess usually computers are driven by magic, but the bust fuse hurt the feng-shui balance of the room, thus breaking the computer |
| 12:41.03 | kai | but overall my co-workers aren't _that_ bad |
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| 12:47.57 | MatthewWilkes | You know what's a bit of a kick in the teeth? |
| 12:48.06 | |Kev| | A kick in the teeth? |
| 12:48.08 | MatthewWilkes | When the small org you vouch for has more applications than you. |
| 12:48.13 | |Kev| | Ah. |
| 12:48.40 | |Kev| | I think most orgs have more applications than us. I'm struggling to understand what's happened. |
| 12:48.49 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: We have 3 in melange so far |
| 12:48.58 | MatthewWilkes | I know there are quite a few pending |
| 12:49.01 | |Kev| | Ah. That's worse than us, even. |
| 12:49.06 | |Kev| | Although not by much. |
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| 12:49.43 | MatthewWilkes | And someone submitted my pet idea |
| 12:49.44 | MatthewWilkes | hapyp |
| 12:49.45 | MatthewWilkes | happy |
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| 12:49.52 | SCD101 | ArthurLiu, you about? |
| 12:50.01 | MatthewWilkes | Dammit, |Kev|, why doesn't IRC have a correct message protocol? |
| 12:50.34 | |Kev| | Now, what caused you to say that? |
| 12:50.47 | |Kev| | Oh, you read the Swift teaser tasks? |
| 12:50.47 | MatthewWilkes | I want to fix my typos in place |
| 12:50.48 | ojwb | hapypiness |
| 12:50.51 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
| 12:50.54 | MatthewWilkes | Maybe I did… |
| 12:50.58 | |Kev| | Ah. |
| 12:51.04 | CopyOfNewFolder | Could anyone tell me if you can edit your GSOC proposal after submitting it? |
| 12:51.17 | ojwb | CopyOfNewFolder: yes, until the deadline |
| 12:51.18 | |Kev| | The comment suggested you knew about the protocol, but I wasn't sure how you'd know about my not-yet-submitted proposal :) |
| 12:51.25 | CopyOfNewFolder | ojwb: Thanks. |
| 12:51.29 | ajedwards | I think once upon a time MatthewWilkes, you couldn't even change text before hitting return... |
| 12:51.52 | ajedwards | very early days it used to grab from the input stream and throw it to the other users IIRC |
| 12:51.53 | MatthewWilkes | ajedwards: Thats^D's absurd. |
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| 12:52.56 | |Kev| | ajedwards: I didn't think that was ever the case with IRC, although I know it was with Talk. |
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| 12:54.41 | MatthewWilkes | yeah, makes no sense for messages to be relayed on a per byte basis |
| 12:55.34 | ajedwards | |Kev|, possibly what I mean then, I read it in an old book a few years back... amusing example of someone typing profanities at their boss amused me |
| 12:55.45 | ajedwards | s/amused me/stuck with me |
| 12:59.24 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: There are people who strongly disagree. |
| 12:59.49 | |Kev| | The deaf, particularly, use it to gain the same sort of intonation that people usually use when talking to each other. |
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| 13:00.23 | ojwb | finds line by line chat rather frusrating with slow typists |
| 13:00.41 | ojwb | "John is typing..." |
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| 13:00.48 | ojwb | right, I'll go and put the kettle on |
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| 13:03.15 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: I meant for the IRC protocol, which has a lot of overhead |
| 13:03.27 | MatthewWilkes | and involves multiple copies of the message being passed around |
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| 13:04.27 | |Kev| | Right. Although if protocols use zlib or equivalent (I don't believe IRC does, but XMPP does), such things rapidly diminish in severity. |
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| 13:07.40 | LePeris | hi |
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| 13:08.11 | MatthewWilkes | hi LePeris |
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| 13:09.23 | LePeris | @MatthewWilkes: seems like gsoc is drumming up a pretty big storm... |
| 13:10.23 | dberkholz | oh good, we're starting to get more proposals coming in. |
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| 13:12.30 | ajedwards | dberkholz, is that a bad thing? |
| 13:12.43 | dberkholz | not getting proposals? i'd say so. |
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| 13:13.01 | ajedwards | quality>quantity? |
| 13:13.05 | ojwb | makes for a quiet summer |
| 13:13.36 | MatthewWilkes | LePeris: No more than most years |
| 13:14.00 | deepak_ | hi is there any one who can help me |
| 13:14.10 | |Kev| | ajedwards: No matter what the average quality over the pool of applications, if you have fewer good proposals than before, it's bad. |
| 13:14.37 | |Kev| | quality > quantity, yes, but that doesn't mean diminishing quantity implies an increase in quality either. |
| 13:14.53 | ajedwards | true |
| 13:15.04 | dberkholz | it makes choices a lot harder when you have to choose not just between students for an idea, but choose which ideas you'll need to leave for another year |
| 13:16.00 | ajedwards | I have two projects I'd really like to do, I'm half hoping to be selected for one and that the other gets put on hold for the time being so I can do it at a later point.. |
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| 13:16.29 | ajedwards | still no feedback on my proposal though, so I think I'm going to have to focus elsewhere =/ |
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| 13:23.21 | ajedwards | are there any sample proposals to compare against? |
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| 13:24.16 | kai | ajedwards: not sure how useful that'd be |
| 13:24.42 | ajedwards | I just want to know whether my proposal is even _LIKE_ the expected standfard... |
| 13:24.52 | ajedwards | standard* |
| 13:25.08 | dberkholz | there's a few kde ones floating around, but that's not necessarily helpful if you aren't applying to kde |
| 13:25.16 | dberkholz | every org has its own standards |
| 13:25.30 | |Kev| | There are sample ones in the handbook, but it's not clear to me to what extent it'd be useful. |
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| 13:26.22 | dberkholz | hmm, we ask for a bit more than those examples |
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| 13:27.43 | ajedwards | I have a 2 page documented timeline and roughtly 2 pages of further details on the information they requested... |
| 13:27.44 | dberkholz | heh. putting time at the end for tests and docs is practically guaranteeing that you won't get tests or docs. |
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| 13:28.34 | zgreg_ | I'm going to document while I code, blog-style |
| 13:28.48 | dberkholz | ajedwards: you're best off asking a potential mentor or admin from the org you're applying to |
| 13:29.06 | ajedwards | can't get hold of them |
| 13:29.20 | dberkholz | they aren't on irc and don't respond to email? |
| 13:30.04 | ajedwards | they have responded previously, but haven't in the past few days, and my proposal has been submitted for a week without comment... |
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| 13:30.08 | dberkholz | i would've sworn the org famous for that didn't get in this year... |
| 13:30.23 | ajedwards | which org? |
| 13:30.40 | dberkholz | not relevant, they aren't involved |
| 13:30.43 | ajedwards | ok |
| 13:31.01 | dberkholz | which one are you applying to? |
| 13:31.09 | ajedwards | java pathfinder |
| 13:31.17 | dberkholz | wasn't that some academic group |
| 13:31.40 | ajedwards | they're a project based at nasa ames research centre |
| 13:33.39 | dberkholz | hmm. email notifications were just enabled on proposals, so you might have more luck pinging on there now than you would have previously |
| 13:34.26 | ajedwards | I did two updates last night when the notifications went live |
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| 13:37.04 | dberkholz | you could try posting your proposal to their mailing list and asking for comments |
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| 13:44.52 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ajedwards: they didn't actually go live yesterday evening :P |
| 13:45.17 | ajedwards | doh! SRabbelier you lie :p |
| 13:46.56 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ajedwards: yeah, sorry about that ^^ |
| 13:47.02 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ajedwards: they instead went live this morning :) |
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| 13:47.24 | ajedwards | well I just made a tweak... thanks for the heads up |
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| 14:08.09 | Crix- | !next |
| 14:08.11 | socinfo | Crix-: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 14:10.01 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !learn fix as Send me an email from the account you are registered with on the site, with your link_id, and your desired status change. My email is my nick at gmail. |
| 14:10.01 | socinfo | SRabbelier|Lappy: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:10.29 | akashm1990 | !fix |
| 14:10.30 | socinfo | akashm1990: "fix" is Send me an email from the account you are registered with on the site, with your link_id, and your desired status change. My email is my nick at gmail. |
| 14:10.56 | akashm1990 | seems weird if anyone other than you use it |
| 14:11.09 | SRabbelier|Lappy | shinnok: ^ |
| 14:11.18 | SRabbelier|Lappy | akashm1990: that's fine :) |
| 14:11.21 | SRabbelier|Lappy | akashm1990: they shouldn't |
| 14:11.37 | shinnok | SRabbelier, is "|" allowed in the smtp protocol? :) |
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| 14:12.29 | ajedwards | what are you "fix" ing? |
| 14:13.07 | shinnok | SRabbelier, or should I send it to plain SRabbelier ? |
| 14:14.06 | SRabbelier|Lappy | shinnok: seems like a good idea |
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| 14:16.48 | shinnok | SRabbelier|Lappy, so after all, is your e-mail your nick S |
| 14:16.57 | shinnok | SRabbelier at gmail or not? |
| 14:16.59 | shinnok | :-) |
| 14:17.27 | shinnok | because i doubt you can have | in an e-mail alias |
| 14:18.44 | srihari__ | hello, looking for info on applying to gsoc |
| 14:18.55 | srihari__ | anyone from eclipse here? |
| 14:19.04 | SRabbelier|Lappy | shinnok: yes |
| 14:19.09 | srihari__ | is this the place to share my ideas about my proposal? |
| 14:19.10 | ojwb | !anyone |
| 14:19.12 | socinfo | ojwb: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 14:19.15 | ojwb | srihari__: ^^ |
| 14:19.30 | shinnok | SRabbelier, thanks :) |
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| 14:19.47 | srihari__ | thanks! |
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| 14:20.13 | ojwb | SRabbelier: literally, that would be socinfo@gmail.com... |
| 14:20.26 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: I know |
| 14:20.38 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ojwb: if the user is too stupid to figure out that's not what I meant, I'm not going to waste my time helping them :) |
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| 14:22.45 | shinnok | another simple question, the profile Public name can be anything reasonable like a nick or abbreviation or must it be the real name? |
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| 14:25.46 | argiris | Hi.proposals must be approved before deadline? |
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| 14:27.20 | armaan | hello |
| 14:27.34 | shinnok | SRabbelier|Lappy, e-mail fired |
| 14:27.35 | Triskelios | argiris: *after* the deadline, to give everyone a fair chance |
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| 14:28.45 | armaan | armaan need help |
| 14:29.06 | dberkholz | dberkholz may be able to help armaan |
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| 14:29.29 | armaan | thanks dberkholz, nice to see you here |
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| 14:30.09 | armaan | actuly i want to develop a project for my university and other fellow students, who can benefit from my project. |
| 14:31.50 | armaan | its like a platform to bridge the gap between theoretical and practical approach prevailing in the indian education system. |
| 14:32.06 | dberkholz | sounds useful. |
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| 14:33.52 | armaan | now i wish to apply under the Google OSPO Umbrella |
| 14:34.16 | SRabbelier|Lappy | shinnok: do you have any proposals already? |
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| 14:34.26 | downeym | armaan: Do you have a mentor identified? |
| 14:34.31 | armaan | will they consider this idea of developing a platform to bridge this gap. |
| 14:34.32 | selenamarie | hi! how does a mentor once logged in but before they have a profile, fill out a profile? |
| 14:34.39 | SRabbelier|Lappy | selenamarie: on the homepage |
| 14:34.42 | selenamarie | there is no "my profile" link for this user: https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=de88eb5919&view=att&th=12f28ad3a99fea00&attid=0.1&disp=inline&zw |
| 14:34.45 | SRabbelier|Lappy | selenamarie: there's a biggy "register as a mentor" button |
| 14:34.56 | SRabbelier|Lappy | selenamarie: (that link don't work) |
| 14:34.57 | selenamarie | SRabbelier|Lappy: they already registered, but no profile link |
| 14:35.01 | selenamarie | oh duh |
| 14:35.03 | selenamarie | sorry :D |
| 14:35.15 | SRabbelier|Lappy | is that a !screenshot? |
| 14:35.31 | selenamarie | https://skitch.com/selena/r2su4/screenshot-home-page-fx-for-vine-linux |
| 14:35.43 | shinnok | SRabbelier|Lappy, yes |
| 14:35.46 | armaan | nope , i don have a mentor for this project, |
| 14:35.51 | dberkholz | armaan: you'll need to provide your own mentor for that kind of project. most people doing these are from an academic group or something |
| 14:35.53 | SRabbelier|Lappy | selenamarie: scroll down further |
| 14:35.55 | shinnok | SRabbelier|Lappy, does that make it impossible? :| |
| 14:35.59 | SRabbelier|Lappy | shinnok: yes |
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| 14:36.07 | shinnok | SRabbelier|Lappy, ouch |
| 14:36.08 | selenamarie | What would be nice, is if the "my profile" link was in the left-hand menu regardless of whether you filled out a profile or not |
| 14:36.20 | SRabbelier|Lappy | selenamarie: we can't |
| 14:36.26 | dberkholz | armaan: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#no_org |
| 14:36.26 | SRabbelier|Lappy | selenamarie: we don't know if you want a student or mentor profile |
| 14:36.27 | selenamarie | SRabbelier|Lappy: its a screenshot, I can't scroll down :) |
| 14:36.36 | SRabbelier|Lappy | selenamarie: so, ask them to scroll down and send another one! :P |
| 14:36.42 | selenamarie | le sigh |
| 14:36.57 | SRabbelier|Lappy | selenamarie: I'm pretty sure the link is a little further down ;) |
| 14:37.11 | selenamarie | cool. could you give me a hint about what word might be in the link? :) |
| 14:37.12 | armaan | My design is ready. i need a mentor |
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| 14:38.57 | SRabbelier|Lappy | selenamarie: http://awesomescreenshot.com/018ax6780 |
| 14:39.00 | SRabbelier|Lappy | selenamarie: should look like that |
| 14:39.09 | SRabbelier|Lappy | selenamarie: e.g. the "Or register as a mentor" link |
| 14:39.32 | armaan | @deberkholz: thanks :) |
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| 14:40.29 | armaan | Anyone who has a web development experience and development of a big community based platform can mentor my idea |
| 14:40.53 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !anyone |
| 14:40.55 | socinfo | SRabbelier|Lappy: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 14:40.56 | SRabbelier|Lappy | armaan: ^ |
| 14:41.29 | armaan | hehehe |
| 14:41.33 | armaan | thanks |
| 14:42.08 | dberkholz | armaan: note that they're basically expecting you to have a mentor at your university |
| 14:42.36 | dberkholz | armaan: my guess, as a non-google person, is that they won't find this idea suitable. but i could be proven wrong. |
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| 14:48.15 | armaan | @dberkholz: hmmm may be.. |
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| 14:54.51 | Master_Chief | guys am I too late discussing about project ideas with mentoring organizations? I just checked in this #gsoc room first time |
| 14:55.26 | srihari__ | Master_Chef: me too in a similar state |
| 14:55.42 | srihari__ | you should try org specific channels |
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| 14:56.26 | Master_Chief | ok, will try Thanks :) but just wanted to know, is it already too late? they might have already chosen their potential candidates? |
| 14:57.25 | srihari__ | might have... |
| 14:57.28 | srihari__ | no idea |
| 15:00.26 | ojwb | Master_Chief: orgs vary a lot, but I doubt many have made final choice yet |
| 15:00.41 | dberkholz | Master_Chief: you're not too late, but you'd better work hard in the next 48 hours =) |
| 15:00.42 | ojwb | they probably have some idea of the project they like |
| 15:01.01 | ojwb | if you don't get on with it, it certainly will be too late |
| 15:01.25 | dberkholz | Master_Chief: you should probably get in touch with orgs before you apply and see if you can get some clue of which ideas are most "available" |
| 15:01.36 | srihari__ | ojwb: do you suggest its too late to propose a new idea? do you say its a better choice to stick to the ones already proposed? |
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| 15:02.18 | kinga_ | Hi there... I have a problem: I can't update info under SHIPPING INFO (PRIVATE AND OPTIONAL) |
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| 15:02.27 | ojwb | depends on the org - I've been discussing such an idea in the past few hours |
| 15:02.36 | ojwb | but the later it is, the less time there is to discuss |
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| 15:02.40 | kinga_ | i empty the non-empty fields, submit, and the contents of the fields are back on |
| 15:02.46 | ojwb | and student idea tend to need more discussion |
| 15:02.55 | Master_Chief | ojwb: hmm yeah |
| 15:03.56 | srihari__ | ojwb:right... |
| 15:04.08 | srihari__ | ojwb: can i know what project you're applying for? |
| 15:04.16 | srihari__ | ojwb:which org? |
| 15:04.42 | kinga_ | can anyone help me ? |
| 15:04.46 | ojwb | is org admin for xapian |
| 15:05.04 | MatthewWilkes | kinga_: We don't know if we can help until you tell us what you need help with. |
| 15:05.07 | ojwb | kinga_: probably ask on #melange |
| 15:05.11 | MatthewWilkes | oh |
| 15:05.13 | MatthewWilkes | already did |
| 15:05.16 | MatthewWilkes | sorry! :( |
| 15:05.22 | kinga_ | i stated my problem |
| 15:05.27 | kinga_ | <kinga_> Hi there... I have a problem: I can't update info under SHIPPING INFO (PRIVATE AND OPTIONAL) |
| 15:05.36 | MatthewWilkes | kinga_: Yeah, sorry, it was as I joined the channel, I missed it, sorry |
| 15:05.42 | MatthewWilkes | really is sorry |
| 15:05.46 | kinga_ | ah... no problem, I didn't knw that |
| 15:05.47 | beng-nl | :) |
| 15:05.50 | kinga_ | it's ok :P |
| 15:05.57 | kinga_ | kinga_> i empty the non-empty fields, submit, and the contents of the fields are back on |
| 15:06.21 | MatthewWilkes | kinga_: Could it be that your browser is auto-filling them? |
| 15:06.27 | kinga_ | no |
| 15:06.33 | kinga_ | i'm using chromium, btw |
| 15:07.02 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kinga_: you can't empty fields :P |
| 15:07.06 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kinga_: a sortof-known bug |
| 15:07.26 | kinga_ | can i complete them with whitespaces then? |
| 15:07.38 | kinga_ | my shiping info is not different from my address |
| 15:07.41 | kinga_ | shipping address* |
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| 15:07.44 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier|Lappy: Ohhh, right, that sounds familiar |
| 15:08.15 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kinga_: eh, just enter the same info :P |
| 15:08.34 | kinga_ | hah |
| 15:08.38 | kinga_ | i entered " " and it worked |
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| 15:10.57 | halfie | Hi, I was wondering if having a SIN number along with a student VISA in Canada makes me eligible for GSOC 2011? |
| 15:10.58 | ojwb | kinga_: until they print a blank shipping label... |
| 15:11.13 | kinga_ | yea... with a label that says "OWND" |
| 15:11.42 | kinga_ | eh...since I'm still here |
| 15:12.02 | dberkholz | wow, this is a weird problem |
| 15:12.11 | dberkholz | i can resize one column in the proposal table, but not the others. |
| 15:12.34 | kinga_ | I want to ask about the actual money receiving.... afaik google will send you through mail a credit card |
| 15:12.36 | kinga_ | right ? |
| 15:12.39 | dberkholz | ah, i see. apparently the resize bar only shows up for me if i'm parallel to text in the field. |
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| 15:12.58 | kinga_ | is it a $ account or in the currency of my country ? |
| 15:13.24 | kinga_ | just curious of the process |
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| 15:13.46 | ojwb | it's a prepaid US$ credit card |
| 15:14.00 | ojwb | or at least that's how they've done it in recent years |
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| 15:14.33 | ojwb | you should be able to stick in a cash machine or take it into a bank and get money out in local currency |
| 15:14.35 | higery | hi, is there a way for me to delete my unuseful proposals? I can not find the 'delete ' or 'remove' button. |
| 15:14.43 | kinga_ | and then they will just send you the rest of the money on the same account/card ? |
| 15:14.45 | ojwb | I think they even give you a little extra to cover fees |
| 15:14.49 | ojwb | yes |
| 15:14.56 | kinga_ | ok |
| 15:15.01 | ojwb | assuming you pass |
| 15:15.08 | kinga_ | can I use it like a regular card? for example with ebay or paypal ? |
| 15:15.15 | kinga_ | ofc lawl :P |
| 15:15.21 | ojwb | higery: "withdraw" I think it's called |
| 15:15.29 | ojwb | I think there are some limitations |
| 15:15.36 | ojwb | but you can buy stuff with it |
| 15:15.38 | higery | thank you, I'll try |
| 15:15.41 | kinga_ | online transactions to be specific |
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| 15:18.19 | higery | hi, ojwb: 'withdraw' is just a kind of undo command, not a 'delete' command. |
| 15:18.32 | shinnok | SRabbelier|Lappy, the profile Public name can be anything reasonable like a nick or abbreviation or must it be the real name? |
| 15:19.08 | SRabbelier|Lappy | shinnok: can be anything |
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| 15:56.23 | mlankhorst | la lh |
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| 16:01.54 | armaan | whats ospo irc channel ? |
| 16:02.24 | ojwb | armaan: there isn't one |
| 16:02.57 | armaan | ohk,, thanks :) |
| 16:03.26 | ojwb | armaan: you also need to find your own mentor for that |
| 16:04.03 | ojwb | it's a hard option - they only take something like 2-4 students each year |
| 16:04.05 | armaan | yeah.. i am looking for that, right now? |
| 16:04.47 | armaan | well if i got selected, hundreds of students will benefit from my project. |
| 16:05.11 | ojwb | isn't the one you have to convince |
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| 16:05.44 | armaan | hehehe ...i know.. |
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| 16:11.19 | dr_choc | Anyone here? |
| 16:11.29 | armaan | In OSPO Application template, third point is missing......=-O |
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| 16:11.45 | desti_T2 | Anyone :No such nick/channel |
| 16:12.21 | armaan | In OSPO Application template, third point is missing... |
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| 16:15.45 | chinthaka | I'm currently writing my proposal |
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| 16:17.48 | dberkholz | armaan: just hundreds? |
| 16:17.52 | dberkholz | armaan: think bigger |
| 16:18.13 | dberkholz | armaan: how many CS students will graduate from indian schools in the next 5 years? |
| 16:19.18 | iamaregee | there are approximately 5 million engineering grads in india every year... |
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| 16:19.47 | iamaregee | and out of which i think 30%plus CS major... |
| 16:20.11 | chinthaka | I'm currently writing my proposal and I cannot see any comment that are commented by members of the applying organization. |
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| 16:20.20 | chinthaka | what may be the reason for that |
| 16:20.50 | akashm1990 | !faq |
| 16:20.51 | socinfo | akashm1990: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 16:21.05 | chinthaka | I didn't publish the proposal with "publicly visible" option yet. |
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| 16:22.10 | ojwb | chinthaka: that'll be because they've not made any public comments on your proposal yet... |
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| 16:23.57 | akashm1990 | are there any private comments as well? |
| 16:24.09 | omegaphi | hi, Is there any student here who has applied to Portland state university? or is planning to do so? |
| 16:24.10 | ojwb | there might be |
| 16:24.17 | ojwb | but you don't see those |
| 16:24.31 | akashm1990 | I meant does that functionality exist |
| 16:24.41 | ojwb | it does |
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| 16:25.04 | ojwb | paras: hello? |
| 16:25.06 | dberkholz | there are public and private comments, and all scores are private |
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| 16:27.15 | armaan | @dberkholz: millions |
| 16:28.55 | armaan | @dberkholz: errrrrr, not hundreds, but at some point of time, the figure will be in hundred thousands or much more... the benefit will be to all the engineering fields not only cs. |
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| 16:32.21 | bavithra | hi.. if i had selected a project where shud i submit the proposal? |
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| 16:34.54 | armaan | @bavithra:http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2011 |
| 16:35.04 | Triskelios | bavithra: go to http://www.google-melange.com and select the project page there |
| 16:35.04 | omegaphi | Asking again, anyone who has applied to PSU? or is in contact with the organization? |
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| 16:35.35 | ojwb | Interesting rounding from melange: 3.3333333333333335/11 out of 3 users, total: 10 |
| 16:35.37 | Triskelios | omegaphi: I assume they have provided contact information |
| 16:35.58 | redheadphones | omegaphi, i'm currently a student at psu, didn't know they had projects up though |
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| 16:36.35 | omegaphi | Triskleios : They have provided the email address, but I haven't got any response from them. Send 3 mails :-| |
| 16:36.35 | ojwb | should be contact info for each org - just click on their entry in the org list |
| 16:36.44 | ojwb | try another org I guess |
| 16:36.59 | omegaphi | redheadphones : ok |
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| 16:37.42 | omegaphi | redheadphones : http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/portland_state |
| 16:38.22 | Talad | omegaphi: try with us, if you are a good C++ coder. |
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| 16:38.32 | omegaphi | Triskelios : They have provided the email address, but I haven't got any response from them. Sent 3 mails |
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| 16:38.42 | redheadphones | ah bart, he isn't exactly known for speedy email, had a few classes with him. |
| 16:39.18 | Talad | omegaphi: they seem to have a forum |
| 16:39.24 | omegaphi | redheadphones : ah, I hope he replies before 8th of april :) |
| 16:39.24 | Talad | but it's quite .... desert |
| 16:39.27 | Talad | http://summer.cs.pdx.edu/forum |
| 16:39.48 | Talad | By jfischy at 2006-05-06 00:04 |
| 16:39.53 | omegaphi | Talad : yup, I have checked it |
| 16:39.53 | Talad | mm... not exactly recent |
| 16:39.58 | omegaphi | :D |
| 16:40.18 | omegaphi | Talad : which organization are you from? |
| 16:40.38 | Talad | Atomic Blue |
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| 16:41.42 | omegaphi | Talad : I am looking for research oriented projects aligned to data mining, IR etc |
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| 16:42.04 | dberkholz | IR as in compiler IR? |
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| 16:42.53 | ojwb | Information Retrieval I suspect |
| 16:42.59 | omegaphi | dberkholz : Information retrieval |
| 16:43.00 | armaan1 | @talad: if i remember , you need someone to fix ipv4 to ipv6 |
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| 16:43.17 | ojwb | omegaphi: try xapian, if you'll excuse me blowing my own trumpet |
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| 16:43.43 | CrawfordComeaux | Ok...I'm approaching the local university's comp sci dept about teaching students creativity |
| 16:43.46 | omegaphi | looking |
| 16:43.47 | Talad | armaan1: not high priority, but can be interesting |
| 16:43.58 | redheadphones | omegaphi, i know dcolish, one of the mentors for xapian, and he's a good guy |
| 16:44.05 | Talad | omegaphi: we have an analysis package |
| 16:44.11 | Talad | but anyway I don't want to advertize in here :) |
| 16:44.21 | armaan1 | @talad: so whats high priority? |
| 16:44.35 | dberkholz | some of the ML frameworks might have interesting projects too. |
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| 16:44.39 | Talad | armaan1: all the ones listed in the wiki as "main ideas" |
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| 16:45.20 | dberkholz | orange, shogun, cmusphinx |
| 16:45.44 | Talad | I would work on blender or mozilla if I could |
| 16:45.56 | summatusmentis | CrawfordComeaux: define "creativity"? |
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| 17:10.10 | vikash | How many guys are applying for GNOME in GSoC this year? |
| 17:10.46 | |Kev| | !polls |
| 17:10.48 | socinfo | |Kev|: "polls" is Please don't use #gsoc to do polls. |
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| 17:11.51 | lolfrenz | can I get access to the old melange interface? |
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| 17:12.00 | lolfrenz | I'd like to see my 2010 proposals but the new interface is terrible |
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| 17:16.25 | SRabbelier | lolfrenz: no, and with the way you're asking I don't think anyone would be inclined to help you with anything |
| 17:16.50 | lolfrenz | sorry |
| 17:17.22 | Talad | lolfrenz: change 2011 to 2010 and it may work |
| 17:17.22 | |Kev| | Top tip: "Help me. You suck" doesn't make many friends :) |
| 17:17.34 | Talad | on the URL |
| 17:17.34 | lolfrenz | guess you're right :) |
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| 17:18.33 | lolfrenz | Talad, I can only see the accepted proposal and it's not clickable ;) |
| 17:18.36 | lolfrenz | :)* |
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| 17:19.03 | Talad | I never been a student, so i don't know more |
| 17:19.38 | Talad | I think if you go to your proposal of today and change the year it should work |
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| 17:19.52 | Talad | if you have a proposal |
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| 17:21.15 | MatthewWilkes | lolfrenz: The old interface is not available |
| 17:21.31 | MatthewWilkes | and 2010 proposals are not currently exposed |
| 17:21.44 | SRabbelier | the data needs to be converted |
| 17:21.45 | lolfrenz | okay, thanks |
| 17:22.00 | SRabbelier | and we haven't taken the time to do the level of testing needed to do that |
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| 17:49.36 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: any rough ETA on average scores in the dashboard? |
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| 17:50.03 | dberkholz | now that we've got 30 mentors, our spam is getting amazingly high up on the list |
| 17:50.32 | dberkholz | yay for positive-only scores.. =P |
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| 17:51.14 | desti_T2 | what organization you are from? |
| 17:52.09 | akashm1990 | dberkholz, So, if I submit the "best" spam application, I guess I have a good chance of getting through :) |
| 17:52.51 | carols | dberkholz: i think SRabbelier is away from the computer at the moment having dinner :-) |
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| 17:53.53 | dberkholz | akashm1990: yep, the earliest and most obvious spam will get +1's from everyone. |
| 17:53.55 | MatthewWilkes | carols: He needs to eat? |
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| 17:54.09 | MatthewWilkes | carols: My mental image of him as a superhuman is shattering |
| 17:54.13 | agliodbs | do students actually look at their comments? |
| 17:54.18 | akashm1990 | missed it then |
| 17:54.21 | agliodbs | carols: do students get notified when they have a comment? |
| 17:54.33 | dberkholz | agliodbs: they do now, haven't you started getting ridiculous amounts of email since this morning? |
| 17:54.53 | dberkholz | any old comments didn't get emails, though |
| 17:54.53 | agliodbs | nope |
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| 17:55.19 | dberkholz | i'm now getting an email for every comment, every proposal update, every new proposal, etc. |
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| 17:56.18 | SRabbelier | is back |
| 17:58.57 | dberkholz | agliodbs: you might want to leave new comments now that emails are going out |
| 17:59.05 | skbohra | never got any comment on his proposals and now is no more a student |
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| 18:00.38 | SRabbelier | skbohra: why are you no longer a student? |
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| 18:01.07 | skbohra | SRabbelier: passed out from university |
| 18:02.09 | SRabbelier | skbohra: ah, ok :) |
| 18:02.20 | marcg | too much alcohol? |
| 18:02.35 | skbohra | what, where |
| 18:03.04 | marcg | haha, that is not what you meant I suppose |
| 18:03.37 | skbohra | SRabbelier: I was a gsoc student and a co-mentor once |
| 18:04.00 | skbohra | may be my application was just too perfect ;) |
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| 18:04.17 | shayan | That window to submit proposal looks funny |
| 18:04.20 | shayan | very small |
| 18:04.29 | marcg | shayan, drag the lower right corner |
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| 18:04.41 | shayan | Nice |
| 18:04.43 | skbohra | drags shayan to #melange |
| 18:04.44 | shayan | Thanks |
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| 18:04.50 | marcg | ;) |
| 18:05.06 | gevaerts | marcg: people like you are dragging gsoc down! |
| 18:05.08 | shayan | sayan, Hey |
| 18:05.17 | shayan | we both have similar nicks |
| 18:05.25 | shayan | ;) |
| 18:05.36 | sayan | shayan, hi |
| 18:05.37 | marcg | gevaerts, I see how it is~ |
| 18:06.01 | gevaerts | marcg: ant to the right :) |
| 18:06.07 | marcg | :P |
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| 18:06.49 | gevaerts | bah |
| 18:06.50 | gevaerts | *and |
| 18:07.13 | marcg | oh, I thought you were warning me of the insect next to me |
| 18:07.26 | SRabbelier | careful not to squash it |
| 18:07.28 | skbohra | yawns |
| 18:07.38 | skbohra | !logs |
| 18:07.39 | socinfo | skbohra: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 18:08.03 | sayan | shayan, yes,only you have an extra h in you nick:) |
| 18:08.22 | shayan | sayan, yeah. where are you from? |
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| 18:09.02 | skbohra | what happened to socinfo ? seems like lots of information is lost |
| 18:09.23 | SRabbelier | skbohra: someone probably trolled it |
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| 18:09.33 | skbohra | damn |
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| 18:10.15 | marcg | hmm, should I study for tomorrow's midterm, or should I browse the internet |
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| 18:11.49 | dhaun | skbohra: what are you missing? seems like the list of factoids is actually longer than last time I looked at it |
| 18:12.02 | dhaun | or do you mean compared to previous years? |
| 18:12.27 | skbohra | dhaun: I was looking for irc stats |
| 18:12.57 | CrawfordComeaux | summatusmentis: I should have said creative processes. ways to come up with interesting solutions |
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| 18:14.00 | dhaun | skbohra: yeah, that factoid's not there - not sure if anyone's still keeping stats, actually |
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| 18:16.51 | dberkholz | download those logs and run a stats tool on 'em |
| 18:16.56 | dberkholz | it's pretty quick |
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| 18:18.11 | dhaun | here's the old URL: http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm - doesn't look very up to date |
| 18:19.27 | sayan | shayan, durgapur |
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| 18:22.52 | sysrmr | is the project title on the proposal submit page the title of the project of the org. which i want to work on? |
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| 18:30.06 | Ophiuchi | proposal notifications! yay! :) |
| 18:30.08 | CrawfordComeaux | If the US government shuts down, will that affect acquiring student visas? |
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| 18:30.35 | carols | CrawfordComeaux: probably not. |
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| 18:31.04 | SRabbelier | shuts down? 0.O |
| 18:31.09 | SRabbelier | why is the US gvmt shutting down? |
| 18:31.15 | SRabbelier | Who hit alt-F4?! |
| 18:31.45 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: someone clicked "start" |
| 18:31.50 | thiago | the intern pulled the power cable |
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| 18:32.05 | Triskelios | sysrmr: it's the title of *your* project which you are proposing |
| 18:32.16 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: sounds likely |
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| 18:34.31 | CrawfordComeaux | It's not shutting down. It's simply going into sleep mode. |
| 18:34.36 | SRabbelier | totally forgot he had a cup of tea |
| 18:35.07 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: What tea? |
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| 18:35.34 | dberkholz | it's more of a cpu throttling than a true shutdown |
| 18:35.47 | dberkholz | since "essential" services seems to include a pretty large chunk of stuff |
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| 18:35.52 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: asking |
| 18:36.04 | MatthewWilkes | splutters |
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| 18:36.08 | MatthewWilkes | You don't know? :) |
| 18:36.40 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: indeed I do not (I love affirmative denials) |
| 18:37.02 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: Tetley, apparently |
| 18:37.20 | MatthewWilkes | Get proper tea! :P |
| 18:37.33 | MatthewWilkes | That's the best thing about germany, lots of good local teashops |
| 18:37.45 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: but it has a handy draw-string baggy! |
| 18:37.50 | SRabbelier | non-drip! |
| 18:38.10 | Bluerise | MatthewWilkes: Sure? I thought it's our government. ;) |
| 18:38.22 | MatthewWilkes | splutters more |
| 18:38.35 | MatthewWilkes | Bluerise: Ah, you're german? |
| 18:38.46 | Bluerise | Yep. |
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| 18:39.29 | Bluerise | Currently wondering whether Google would "support" iDroid at GSOC or not. :p |
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| 18:39.52 | MatthewWilkes | Wanna tell me who to vote for in the *takes a deep breath* Bezirksverordnetenversammlungswahl? I have no idea where to get information on the current incumbents |
| 18:40.01 | gevaerts | notices that SRabbelier has tea but he didn't offer any to other people! |
| 18:40.20 | MatthewWilkes | (Berlin) |
| 18:40.21 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: it's not that tasty tbh |
| 18:40.30 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: not something I'd want to share ;) |
| 18:40.31 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: well, exactly :) |
| 18:40.32 | MatthewWilkes | offers darjeeling |
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| 18:41.10 | Ophiuchi | MatthewWilkes: if you have no time to inform yourself and no pre-existing political leanings, just don't vote? |
| 18:41.13 | dberkholz | was that really a word? |
| 18:41.24 | Hexxeh | i presume it's a name? |
| 18:41.27 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: it's multiple words jammed together |
| 18:41.37 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: that's allowed both in German and in Dutch |
| 18:41.45 | Bluerise | MatthewWilkes: No idea, I'm living in Munich. The real capital of Germany! :P |
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| 18:42.12 | dberkholz | i would hate to be the one trying to fit that into a readable tv ad |
| 18:42.16 | MatthewWilkes | Bluerise: Jealous, I wanted to go for Starkbierfest |
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| 18:42.43 | gevaerts | dberkholz: that's a *short* word! |
| 18:42.45 | dberkholz | you could almost write an entire song with just that "word" |
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| 18:43.37 | dberkholz | i'm looking forward to the Googlesummerofcodementorsummit |
| 18:43.46 | Bluerise | Been there twice, never really had a beer there. Too much people. But I don't mind. |
| 18:43.47 | Ophiuchi | dberkholz: the word was (mostly) for a district (of town) parliament |
| 18:44.00 | Bluerise | dberkholz: Donaudampfschifffahrtsgesellschaftsraddampferkapitänskajütentürsicherheitsschlüssel. You don't wanna know that that means. |
| 18:44.13 | Bluerise | *what that |
| 18:44.15 | dberkholz | it means your space bar is broken |
| 18:44.19 | Hexxeh | hahahahaha |
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| 18:45.06 | MatthewWilkes | all the long ones start with Donaudampfschiff |
| 18:45.55 | MatthewWilkes | The one I hear was the donau?hauptbetriebwerksunterbeamtengesellschaft |
| 18:46.04 | Bluerise | hehe |
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| 18:46.11 | MatthewWilkes | Google says Donaudampfschifffahrtselektrizit?tshauptbetriebwerksbeamtengesellschafts |
| 18:46.16 | MatthewWilkes | yours is longer |
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| 18:46.39 | MatthewWilkes | especially as yours is missing the umlauted characters |
| 18:46.42 | Bluerise | MatthewWilkes: Is there any pirate party guy you can vote for? |
| 18:46.47 | gevaerts | The thing is of course that if you can keep adding stuff, "longest word" is a bit meaningless |
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| 18:47.03 | MatthewWilkes | Bluerise: I suppose there might be, yeah. It's a bit provincial |
| 18:47.14 | gevaerts | thinks that Bluerise's captain needs a keyring to attach that key to |
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| 18:47.30 | SRabbelier | fuck you bingbot |
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| 18:47.46 | SRabbelier | apologies |
| 18:47.59 | dberkholz | i was wondering if that was the wrong channel. |
| 18:48.06 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: it's breaking the site |
| 18:48.13 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: by quering a url that's no longer used :P |
| 18:48.19 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: and our coding wasn't defensive enough |
| 18:48.23 | dberkholz | the site breaks when people go to nonexistent urls? |
| 18:48.30 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: for some specific ones |
| 18:49.28 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: in parituclar, last year's mentor apply link :P |
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| 18:50.11 | chx | how can i (an org admin) mass email my mentors? |
| 18:50.42 | chx | CSV export has no ways to contact 'em |
| 18:51.33 | dberkholz | chx: sure it does |
| 18:51.42 | dberkholz | go to the next table down |
| 18:51.55 | dberkholz | members, not requests |
| 18:52.09 | chx | shoot |
| 18:52.10 | chx | yes |
| 18:52.12 | chx | sorry |
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| 18:53.02 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: ^^ |
| 18:53.30 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: now where's my averages =D |
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| 18:53.54 | dberkholz | is the squeaky wheel |
| 18:53.55 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: hmm |
| 18:54.07 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: where indeed |
| 18:54.07 | gevaerts | dberkholz: they were all returned when bingbot tried to apply as a mentor, so you'll have to ask there |
| 18:54.45 | ahel | in proposal it's indifferent saying : "i'm gonna" and "i'm going to"? |
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| 18:55.03 | MatthewWilkes | ahel: "I'm going to" is better, "gonna" is very colloquial |
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| 18:55.14 | dberkholz | "I will" is even better |
| 18:55.38 | ahel | ty MatthewWilkes |
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| 18:56.48 | ahel | dberkholz: but i wanna subjest that i'm about to do that right now, not that i will do sooner or later. maybe i'm wrong..not native speaker, so.. XD |
| 18:57.25 | SRabbelier | has to admit the notification functionality is actually very useful :) |
| 18:57.43 | Ophiuchi | ahel: 'wanna' is not a proper word |
| 18:58.27 | MatthewWilkes | Ophiuchi: No, but it's correct there |
| 18:58.44 | MatthewWilkes | This is effectively spoken conversation and using 'wanna' is appropriate |
| 18:58.54 | gevaerts | disagrees with MatthewWilkes! |
| 18:58.57 | MatthewWilkes | Ophiuchi: Verstehste? ;) |
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| 18:59.03 | Ophiuchi | MatthewWilkes. I think the context was "writing a proposal" |
| 18:59.25 | MatthewWilkes | Ophiuchi: It was for 'gonna', but 'wanna' was ahel explaining the context |
| 19:00.41 | Ophiuchi | MatthewWilkes: assuming that all people will understand phonetic writing is probably unwise, too. |
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| 19:01.48 | MatthewWilkes | ahel, Ophiuchi: If you're doing something formal, like a presentation, always use the correct, long form, like "going to". If you're chatting to people in a laid-back way, either is fine. |
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| 19:03.01 | Ophiuchi | MatthewWilkes: customs will differ |
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| 19:03.36 | gevaerts | additionally points out that what was once called Ur is now Tell el-Muqayyar, so it's also wise to avoid that one |
| 19:03.58 | MatthewWilkes | Speaking as a native english speaker that studies linguistics, no, stop correcting people trying to speak the living language rather than the official one. |
| 19:03.59 | carols | hey gevaerts :-) |
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| 19:04.02 | carols | serves some tea |
| 19:04.10 | chx | I wonder, is it possible to show the *average* score on the dashboard? |
| 19:04.36 | gevaerts | Good morning carols! |
| 19:04.45 | gevaerts | drinks some tea |
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| 19:05.02 | Ophiuchi | MatthewWilkes: you can love the spoken language and other parties can frown on using words that you can't find in a dictionary - thus making it hard for people who -need- a dictionary to understand you. |
| 19:05.40 | Ophiuchi | MatthewWilkes: like I said, customs differ, often for good reasons. |
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| 19:06.13 | Ophiuchi | not everybody uses English as a -spoken- language, to be even more explicit |
| 19:06.16 | carols | good morning gevaerts :-) |
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| 19:08.00 | MatthewWilkes | Ophiuchi: And that's fine, but it's not for people that don't know spoken english to correct those trying to learn it :) |
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| 19:08.59 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: I'd say that the extreme end of the "living language" position says that there's no such thing as people who don't know spoken english :) |
| 19:09.39 | dberkholz | chx: yeah, i've been bugging SRabbelier to add the average score to the dashboard for a while now. hopefully it shows up soon |
| 19:10.15 | SRabbelier | chx, dberkholz: please hold |
| 19:11.10 | Ophiuchi | MatthewWilkes: submitting a phonetic English proposal to an org that will view that as a sign of sloppyness and lack of consideration is not going to win a student laurels. |
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| 19:11.58 | gevaerts | One problem with "phonetic" writing is that it depends very much on the speaker/writer's accent |
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| 19:15.48 | MatthewWilkes | Ophiuchi: If you are going to choose to disagree with me at least have the good manners to read what I'm saying to you. Good day. |
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| 19:17.08 | SRabbelier | anyone have any idea how I could get a byte that is outside the unicode range in my browser's input field? |
| 19:17.21 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Outside the *unicode* range? |
| 19:17.28 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: I know right |
| 19:17.31 | scgtrp | SRabbelier: "outside thewhat MatthewWilkes said |
| 19:17.41 | scgtrp | what byte are you trying to get? |
| 19:17.45 | SRabbelier | UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 13442-13446: unsupported Unicode code range |
| 19:17.48 | SRabbelier | I want to repro that :P |
| 19:17.52 | SRabbelier | and verify that I fixed it :P |
| 19:17.59 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: xmodmap? |
| 19:18.03 | scgtrp | SRabbelier: 㒂 |
| 19:18.04 | SRabbelier | (or at least, am now throwing the exception at the user's FACE) |
| 19:18.05 | scgtrp | copy and paste :P |
| 19:18.20 | scgtrp | uhh, wait |
| 19:18.24 | scgtrp | those aren't code points :P |
| 19:18.30 | SRabbelier | scgtrp: nothing happen |
| 19:18.40 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Yeah, we need to know the bytes |
| 19:18.45 | scgtrp | yeah, for some reason my mind decided you wanted U+hex(13442) |
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| 19:19.29 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: I don't know the bytes man |
| 19:20.28 | SRabbelier | how about that 0xoa? |
| 19:20.30 | SRabbelier | 0a |
| 19:20.34 | SRabbelier | hard space or whatever |
| 19:20.35 | SRabbelier | that'll do |
| 19:20.41 | scgtrp | 0x0A is \n |
| 19:20.52 | SRabbelier | or this one |
| 19:20.53 | SRabbelier | UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 427-429: invalid data |
| 19:20.57 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: it's not something silly like the text using the new(ish) unicode 6 stuff and your framework being outdated? |
| 19:20.59 | SRabbelier | scgtrp: that wasn't it |
| 19:21.36 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: it's happening on a simple val.decode('utf-8') after a preceeding val.encode('utf-8') |
| 19:21.44 | SRabbelier | oh |
| 19:21.45 | SRabbelier | and a |
| 19:21.54 | SRabbelier | replace('\r\n', '\n') |
| 19:21.57 | SRabbelier | relevant? |
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| 19:22.15 | scgtrp | i don't think those can occur in utf-8 except when actually encoding a newline |
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| 19:22.35 | scgtrp | bytes 2-n of a utf-8 sequence all have the high bit set |
| 19:23.13 | SRabbelier | I'll just remove that line then |
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| 19:23.22 | scgtrp | nooo, \r\n is evil :P |
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| 19:23.41 | gevaerts | \r\n is valid utf8 |
| 19:23.44 | scgtrp | what are the bytes at 427-429 anyway? |
| 19:24.41 | SRabbelier | for your amusement: http://code.google.com/p/soc/source/detail?r=b060a0c8bd90 |
| 19:24.46 | SRabbelier | scgtrp: if only I knew |
| 19:24.53 | SRabbelier | scgtrp: some student's proposal text no doubt |
| 19:24.58 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: More info in your tracebacks please! |
| 19:25.02 | SRabbelier | scgtrp: but it's not in the database, since it never got thorugh the cleaner |
| 19:25.10 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: Why do you think I added the try/catch :P |
| 19:25.18 | scgtrp | well tell them to stop sending bad unicode data |
| 19:25.29 | SRabbelier | scgtrp: I did (in that commit) |
| 19:25.47 | scgtrp | "Give it your best shot! It's ON!" |
| 19:25.53 | ahel | MatthewWilkes: ty for your long debate about my question; i've appreciate that. btw, i've only to avoid contract and informal ways.right? |
| 19:25.55 | scgtrp | oh, the code |
| 19:26.05 | MatthewWilkes | ahel: Yep, that's right |
| 19:26.10 | ahel | xD |
| 19:26.13 | MatthewWilkes | ahel: Think of the proposal like a job application, don't be informal |
| 19:26.54 | ahel | well,ty; btw, r u a google mantainer or something like that? |
| 19:27.13 | SRabbelier | ahel: try to avoid that here as well |
| 19:27.13 | scgtrp | also not abbreviating 3-letter words may help. |
| 19:27.30 | SRabbelier | ahel: e.g., spell "are you a " out, instead of "are you a" |
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| 19:27.46 | SRabbelier | ahel: you're not sending text messages ;) |
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| 19:28.19 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: I see you're not used to shortening "are" and "you" :) |
| 19:28.25 | scgtrp | heh |
| 19:28.35 | SRabbelier | damn you pidging |
| 19:28.40 | SRabbelier | pidgin even |
| 19:28.51 | ahel | ok, i have thought that in a chat room, one would be free to talk like it was on irc. I beg pardon xD |
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| 19:28.57 | scgtrp | (this is irc) |
| 19:29.00 | MatthewWilkes | ahel: I'm a mentor for Plone |
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| 19:29.22 | ahel | it was a joke... O_o |
| 19:29.27 | scgtrp | i'm a bit more relaxed here than in email but feel physical pain when abbreviating 'you' :P |
| 19:29.44 | checker501 | !next |
| 19:29.45 | socinfo | checker501: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 19:29.48 | gevaerts | ahel: every channel will have its own style, but in my experience many software people like "proper" language (/me now waits for MatthewWilkes to come after him) |
| 19:30.08 | MatthewWilkes | ahel: It's not a hard and fast rule, abbreviating too much in chat looks bad, but some is fine. For example, you can say "I'd have thought" but not "I'd ve thought" |
| 19:30.13 | SRabbelier | ahel: it's ok not to capitalize your sentences on IRC, but "you" is still spelled "you" :) |
| 19:30.29 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: how about "I would've thought"? |
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| 19:30.36 | MatthewWilkes | also fine in my book |
| 19:30.39 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: What's wroung with "I'd've thoguht"? It's awesome! |
| 19:30.48 | MatthewWilkes | slaps SRabbelier |
| 19:31.06 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: BONUS POINTS the more contractions you manage to cram together! |
| 19:31.12 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: as long as they're valid ofcourse |
| 19:31.19 | scgtrp | i'd'ven't :D |
| 19:31.45 | gevaerts | accuses scgtrp of not being able to expand that to a proper sentence |
| 19:31.47 | SRabbelier | scgtrp: I would have not... in what construction would you use that? |
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| 19:31.56 | SRabbelier | seconds gevaerts |
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| 19:32.30 | ahel | scgtrp: ok, i understood. It is the same in Italy, where everyone uses "k", a letter that doesn't exist in Italian language, instead of "ch". |
| 19:32.33 | scgtrp | "i would have not used that unless i was making up examples of when one could use that" |
| 19:33.05 | scgtrp | i supposed "i would not have" is slightly less awkward |
| 19:33.13 | scgtrp | i'dn't've :D |
| 19:33.30 | scgtrp | s/supposed/suppose/ |
| 19:33.58 | ahel | why not " i'dn't'v " |
| 19:34.00 | ahel | ? |
| 19:34.05 | ahel | xD |
| 19:34.25 | scgtrp | because the non-insane contraction form of have is 've ;) |
| 19:34.26 | dberkholz | that looks almost like hebrew written in latin characters |
| 19:34.56 | ahel | ahhahahahaha |
| 19:35.05 | ahel | dberkholz: lol |
| 19:35.17 | gevaerts | Language is more about habit and annoyance than about strict enumerated rules I'd say |
| 19:35.38 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: any chance someone was trying to submit utf-16 chars, and the appengine python is build with ucs2 instead of ucs4? |
| 19:35.43 | scgtrp | ok, last one: i would not have had -> i'dn't've'd |
| 19:36.01 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: sounds feasible |
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| 19:36.16 | SRabbelier | scgtrp: you win 1 internets, congratulations |
| 19:36.19 | scgtrp | :D |
| 19:36.30 | Ophiuchi | scgtrp: alphabet soup! :) |
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| 19:36.43 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1446347/how-to-find-out-if-python-is-compiled-with-ucs-2-or-ucs-4 might help |
| 19:36.54 | checker501 | do we(students) get a notification if a mentor comments ? |
| 19:37.01 | scgtrp | as of recently, yes |
| 19:37.06 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: very! |
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| 19:37.49 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: >>> import sys; print sys.maxunicode 1114111 |
| 19:38.06 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: (on the live interactive shell) |
| 19:38.25 | gevaerts | likes that number |
| 19:38.47 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: it's nice, yeah? |
| 19:38.54 | gevaerts | Very! |
| 19:39.52 | dberkholz | hmm, ucs4. that rules out part of the possibility |
| 19:40.10 | dberkholz | i do wonder what happens if you try cramming utf-16 stuff into utf-8 though |
| 19:40.22 | scgtrp | it's being encode()d |
| 19:40.41 | kblin | dberkholz: depends, the lower part is ok, probably |
| 19:40.43 | kblin | ;) |
| 19:40.57 | gevaerts | hm |
| 19:41.10 | gevaerts | I'd guess that would break at the first non-ascii character |
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| 19:42.00 | scgtrp | nope, str() will though |
| 19:42.30 | scgtrp | http://slexy.org/view/s2vKiGvTgF |
| 19:42.31 | kblin | I've dealt with a library that turned local 8-bit strings into UC2 by just inserting a zero byte for every char of text |
| 19:42.33 | SRabbelier | scgtrp: that's why we explicitly en/de-code the string first |
| 19:43.03 | kblin | that was fun to deal with for non-ascii local encoding |
| 19:43.13 | scgtrp | kblin: please clobber those responsible, kthx |
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| 19:43.49 | kblin | might have been fixed, that was for gsoc 2006 :) |
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| 19:44.44 | SRabbelier | kblin: they deserve to be hammered :P |
| 19:47.30 | SRabbelier | check this out |
| 19:47.39 | SRabbelier | I can hot-switch between my multiple-logins on Melange |
| 19:47.45 | SRabbelier | without logging out or anything |
| 19:47.52 | SRabbelier | http://www.google-melange.com/login |
| 19:47.56 | SRabbelier | try it :D |
| 19:48.01 | MatthewWilkes | hugs SRabbelier |
| 19:48.10 | SRabbelier | dances |
| 19:48.24 | lolfrenz | melange is django? |
| 19:48.25 | MatthewWilkes | redirects to home for me |
| 19:48.46 | SRabbelier | lolfrenz: yes |
| 19:48.50 | lolfrenz | sweet |
| 19:48.59 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: are you logged in with multiple Google accounts though? |
| 19:50.00 | MatthewWilkes | how do I do that? |
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| 19:50.33 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: https://www.google.com/accounts/AddSession |
| 19:50.45 | MatthewWilkes | The page you requested is invalid. |
| 19:50.56 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: you don't have multiple login turned on? |
| 19:51.33 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: https://www.google.com/accounts/MultipleSessions |
| 19:52.30 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: should work for Google apps accounts too |
| 19:52.52 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: |
| 19:52.55 | MatthewWilkes | :D:D:D |
| 19:52.59 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: hm? |
| 19:53.01 | MatthewWilkes | Now I can use work email and melange at the same time |
| 19:53.07 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: yay! :) |
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| 19:54.47 | SRabbelier | also, http://cl.ly/5nAo |
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| 19:57.37 | SRabbelier | just got a hilarious email |
| 19:57.53 | MatthewWilkes | oh? |
| 19:57.55 | scgtrp | hm, i'm doing it wrong |
| 19:57.59 | SRabbelier | not sure if I should publish it without permission |
| 19:58.02 | SRabbelier | but meh |
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| 19:58.12 | scgtrp | i've never used the MIT license for anything despite being on the east side of the mississippi river |
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| 19:58.25 | SRabbelier | "I'm getting hundreds of notifications. I'm also travelling and these are killing my connectivity by a denial of service attack, albeit unintended. Can we turn off the notifications PLEASE? I also am likely to have to declare bankruptcy at the rate the Swiss charge for Internet access in cafes." |
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| 19:58.34 | scgtrp | haha |
| 19:58.36 | SRabbelier | scgtrp: apparently so |
| 19:58.48 | SRabbelier | I of course told them they can turn it off for just them in their profile settings ^^ |
| 19:58.50 | scgtrp | i think i've used BSD for something, but can't remember what |
| 19:58.56 | dberkholz | maybe each one needs something at the footer pointing to profile settings |
| 19:59.07 | SRabbelier | slaps dberkholz with a herring |
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| 19:59.40 | idank1 | sorry if this was asked before, can't find it on the FAQ either: can I edit my proposal after the 8th? |
| 19:59.59 | kblin | !edit |
| 20:00.00 | socinfo | kblin: "edit" is (#1) You can edit your proposal up until the application deadline on April 8th, 19:00 UTC., or (#2) Comments on proposals however, can _not_ be edited after submitting. |
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| 20:00.54 | CrawfordComeaux | oh...so the 8th is merely submission date? |
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| 20:01.38 | SRabbelier | CrawfordComeaux: there will be a button that mentors can click to allow students to edit their proposal further after the deadline |
| 20:01.44 | SRabbelier | CrawfordComeaux: unless clicked they won't be able to |
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| 20:02.46 | CrawfordComeaux | ok |
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| 20:03.15 | camilasan | Nightrose: Hi =) it is possible to try to send 2 proprosals for the same organization? |
| 20:03.32 | Nightrose | camilasan: yes - that's ok :) |
| 20:03.37 | Nightrose | and hi! |
| 20:04.05 | Nightrose | camilasan: do you know about #kde-soc btw? |
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| 20:04.33 | camilasan | Nightrose: yes but I forgot it |
| 20:04.36 | Nightrose | :D |
| 20:04.52 | Nightrose | happily plays people's external brain |
| 20:05.10 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: Where do I sign up? |
| 20:05.14 | gevaerts | could use an extra brain! |
| 20:05.30 | kblin | Nightrose: oh, can you figure out a problem for me then? |
| 20:05.31 | Nightrose | lol |
| 20:05.33 | Nightrose | damn |
| 20:06.00 | sonney2k | !socinfo |
| 20:06.01 | socinfo | sonney2k: "socinfo" is http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Socinfo |
| 20:06.11 | ajedwards | \o/ response from my org! |
| 20:06.24 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes gevaerts kblin: how much do you pay? |
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| 20:06.31 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: Surprisingly little |
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| 20:06.40 | Nightrose | -.- feared you'd say that |
| 20:06.42 | camilasan | Nightrose: did you see my proposal? |
| 20:06.44 | gevaerts | 20% more than MatthewWilkes |
| 20:06.44 | MatthewWilkes | rummages |
| 20:06.44 | ajedwards | I was beginning to think they had forgotten soc existed! |
| 20:06.49 | Nightrose | camilasan: not yet |
| 20:08.00 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: I have 40 GBP, 37 USD, 100 MXN, 8000 HUF and 0.07 EUR - What does that get me? |
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| 20:08.31 | ajedwards | a good friday night? |
| 20:08.44 | kblin | Nightrose: I can provide sugar and oxygen? |
| 20:08.47 | ajedwards | or a verygood friday night in an asian country |
| 20:08.51 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: what's a HUF? |
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| 20:08.57 | MatthewWilkes | Hungarian Forint |
| 20:09.12 | ajedwards | sounds like monopoly money, MatthewWilkes |
| 20:09.14 | Nightrose | guys - i love you - but that's nto enough for a second brain |
| 20:09.15 | Nightrose | sorry |
| 20:09.17 | Nightrose | :P |
| 20:09.27 | kblin | aw |
| 20:09.31 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: Oh, I also have bacon |
| 20:09.36 | Nightrose | Oo |
| 20:09.51 | gevaerts | That means 107.67 EUR in total :) |
| 20:10.18 | kblin | gevaerts: wow, MatthewWilkes is filthy rich |
| 20:10.28 | Nightrose | seriously |
| 20:10.39 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: You're half right! |
| 20:10.51 | chx | !next |
| 20:10.52 | socinfo | chx: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 20:11.02 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: you're expensive, yes? |
| 20:11.12 | gevaerts | the google calculator can't handle bacon |
| 20:11.18 | kblin | aw |
| 20:11.23 | Nightrose | SRabbelier: my brain is indeed |
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| 20:11.40 | gevaerts | "searched" for "40 GBP and 37 USD and 100 MXN and 8000 HUF and 0.07 EUR and bacon in EUR" |
| 20:11.44 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: and, I think, rightfully so, yes? |
| 20:11.48 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: did it work?! |
| 20:11.49 | ZeKoU | Hi all |
| 20:12.00 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: if I take out the "and bacon", yes |
| 20:12.10 | Nightrose | SRabbelier: of course ;-) |
| 20:12.25 | ZeKoU | any people making proposals for bioinformatics projects at GSOC this year? |
| 20:12.27 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: you have added nomz to yoru thesis, after all |
| 20:12.40 | Nightrose | nomz!!! |
| 20:12.51 | kblin | ZeKoU: I sure hope so :) |
| 20:13.07 | chx | so we have about 47 hours left? |
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| 20:13.10 | JanisB | Are there some obligations like "every proposal shoud receive at least 1 comment"? |
| 20:13.16 | gevaerts | chx: yes |
| 20:13.17 | kblin | ZeKoU: OBF can need some help, and the Shogun toolbox is pretty useful as well |
| 20:13.24 | kblin | JanisB: nope |
| 20:13.57 | kblin | hm, still looks like I'll get this year's shirt without having to do much real work |
| 20:14.08 | ZeKoU | lol |
| 20:14.26 | ZeKoU | shirt, and that's about it... |
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| 20:15.35 | gevaerts | ZeKoU: looking for "bioinformatics" or "biology" in the organisation list shows that there are one or two organisations that only want bioinformatics, so I hope someone is making those proposals :) |
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| 20:16.59 | ZeKoU | @kblin: I looked at OBF... |
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| 20:17.35 | ZeKoU | they have few puristic projects.. |
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| 20:18.43 | ZeKoU | just native language code, no extra frameworks, and pretty clear on what needs to be done.. |
| 20:19.09 | gevaerts | hm, they don't list bioinformatics or biology in their tags... |
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| 20:19.40 | ZeKoU | so how did you people go about number of proposals you are making.. |
| 20:20.03 | ZeKoU | anyone with earlier experience? |
| 20:20.29 | kblin | I've gotten into gsoc three years in a row with 1, 1, and 2 proposals respectively |
| 20:20.31 | sonney2k | how many proposals does an organization get on average? |
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| 20:21.38 | gevaerts | sonney2k: that would be a rather useless number |
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| 20:21.45 | gevaerts | Some get hundreds, some a dozen |
| 20:21.48 | ZeKoU | have you studied English or British Lit before CS...good/god on writing essays ? :) |
| 20:21.56 | kblin | with apretty big standard deviation |
| 20:22.31 | kblin | ZeKoU: not really. I doubt I'd get accepted again with my 2005 proposal |
| 20:22.40 | gevaerts | kblin: I'd say they're probably not distributed in a way to actually *have* a standard deviation :) |
| 20:23.14 | ZeKoU | haha good one :) |
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| 20:23.48 | ZeKoU | You know what really suprises me ? |
| 20:24.03 | ZeKoU | there are 0 projects out there with HADOOP tag.. |
| 20:24.10 | dberkholz | gevaerts: last year, ours actually were fairly normal |
| 20:24.21 | loufoque | wasn't hadoop renamed? |
| 20:24.30 | ZeKoU | when? |
| 20:24.35 | ZeKoU | u kidding me? |
| 20:24.42 | loufoque | when they realized it was a ridiculous name |
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| 20:24.58 | loufoque | just kidding. |
| 20:25.04 | ZeKoU | hehe |
| 20:25.18 | ZeKoU | should have called it Dumbo.. |
| 20:25.22 | kblin | loufoque: there's so many projects with ridicukous names out there |
| 20:25.41 | kblin | programmers just suck at naming |
| 20:25.56 | kblin | "oh, look, I came up with a recursive acronym" |
| 20:26.03 | ZeKoU | in same way as selling own apps :) |
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| 20:26.29 | dberkholz | kblin: how about the scientists' tendency to name programs with all capital letters |
| 20:26.49 | dberkholz | regardless of whether it's actually an acronym |
| 20:27.04 | SRabbelier | so |
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| 20:27.21 | ZeKoU | so did anyone dig out anything cloud related, hadoop related, etc..? |
| 20:27.24 | gevaerts | thinks that some of the organisations on the list have good names |
| 20:27.31 | ZeKoU | MapReduce ? |
| 20:28.35 | dberkholz | osuosl has something called libcloud |
| 20:29.07 | gchaix | wakes up |
| 20:29.09 | gchaix | hmm? |
| 20:29.37 | gchaix | ZeKoU: we're doing some stuff that's cloud-related. Mostly provision private clouds using Ganeti |
| 20:29.54 | kblin | dberkholz: agreed, scientist programmers tend to be even worse |
| 20:30.05 | dberkholz | kblin: you forgot the quotes |
| 20:30.13 | dberkholz | scientist "programmers" |
| 20:30.41 | dberkholz | looks at self |
| 20:30.47 | SRabbelier | Why does Chrome not have autocomplete on my local Melange |
| 20:30.48 | SRabbelier | WHY |
| 20:31.13 | kblin | dberkholz: "scientist" programmers as well :) |
| 20:31.20 | dberkholz | yeah, i was thinking of that one too |
| 20:31.34 | gprasanth | Hello all, I was just wondering: Are there really people who prepare for months to participate in GSoC and then ace it? |
| 20:31.38 | dberkholz | if we have numbers, surely we can make draw general conclusions from them! |
| 20:31.42 | dberkholz | s/make// |
| 20:32.05 | SRabbelier | gprasanth: none |
| 20:32.12 | SRabbelier | gprasanth: those who prepare for months all fail |
| 20:32.23 | kblin | gprasanth: sure. I prepared for gsoc 2006 by doing gsoc 2005 ;) |
| 20:32.32 | dberkholz | gprasanth: probably, but they don't get paid any more than the rest of the students... |
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| 20:33.07 | dberkholz | they might get more beers bought for them if they attend a conference later on |
| 20:33.10 | gchaix | gprasanth: what do you mean by "ace" it? It's a pass/fail. Either you pass or you fail. There aren't really degrees of passing |
| 20:33.25 | kblin | ZeKoU: samba can help runing embedded personal storage clouds.. I gave a talk about that |
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| 20:33.53 | kblin | gchaix: yeah, I aced it. got the best degree possible: "passed" |
| 20:33.59 | gchaix | hehe |
| 20:34.29 | dberkholz | i guess acing it would be, code integrated, committer access granted |
| 20:34.33 | gevaerts | gchaix: the Google people tend to prepare for months and then ace GSoC :) |
| 20:34.49 | MatthewWilkes | dberkholz: Sounds like the start of the programme in Plone |
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| 20:35.00 | gprasanth | gchaix: well i was of feeling that passing = acing = glory |
| 20:35.02 | gprasanth | :) |
| 20:35.05 | kblin | dberkholz: hm, then you can never ace wine :) |
| 20:35.14 | dberkholz | MatthewWilkes: they can commit to the trunk of your primary repo from day 1? |
| 20:35.22 | MatthewWilkes | dberkholz: Yeah |
| 20:35.47 | dberkholz | eeenteresting. |
| 20:35.49 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: I'm considering doing the same for Melange this year |
| 20:35.50 | MatthewWilkes | dberkholz: If they screw it up we just revert it and talk to them. If they do it again they lose it |
| 20:36.10 | dberkholz | has anyone done it again? |
| 20:36.17 | MatthewWilkes | Nobody's screwed up once yet |
| 20:36.32 | MatthewWilkes | We've only had 1 incident ever, that was with a translator |
| 20:36.34 | gevaerts | I'd say that unless you're in one of those huge or restricted projects, not getting commit access soon is a bad sign |
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| 20:36.59 | MatthewWilkes | but that was malicious, so we removed commit immediately |
| 20:37.06 | kblin | gevaerts: really depends |
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| 20:37.49 | kblin | gevaerts: you only get samba commit access if you're on the team. and you only get on the team after showing consistent dedication |
| 20:37.54 | dberkholz | let's just say that we don't treat students differently from anyone else |
| 20:38.13 | AlexP | gevaerts: I don't think you should use Rockbox as an example - I mean I have commit access for heaven's sake! |
| 20:38.21 | gevaerts | kblin: yes, that's the sort of thing I wanted to indicated by "restricted" but failed |
| 20:38.50 | kblin | ah, I was thinking stuff like...google's death ray controller |
| 20:38.53 | gevaerts | AlexP: we *had* to give you commit access or we wouldn't have releases! |
| 20:38.59 | MatthewWilkes | Well, plone has over 300 people who've committed into core, of those about 100 were active in the last year |
| 20:39.05 | AlexP | gevaerts: well, yeah :) |
| 20:39.07 | MatthewWilkes | but for a project 8 years old that's good retention rate |
| 20:39.11 | MatthewWilkes | err, 9 now, oops |
| 20:39.32 | dberkholz | MatthewWilkes: you should look at developer "lifetimes" sometime, it's kinda fun |
| 20:39.50 | kblin | gource nicely visualizes this |
| 20:40.49 | dberkholz | that looks like a video game of my immune system |
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| 20:44.07 | dis | SRabbelier: somewhere along with introducing notifications last night (european time) you broke ajax lists for ancient browsers (orgs list, proposals list, probably others). They aren't displayed any more. |
| 20:44.21 | dis | if it's not intentional/required maybe you could fix that.. |
| 20:44.28 | kblin | dberkholz: actually, getting back to your "always using capitals for program names", my current project has lower case letters in it :) |
| 20:44.40 | SRabbelier | dis: :( |
| 20:44.43 | SRabbelier | dis: not intentional |
| 20:44.58 | SRabbelier | dis: we're now using cookies |
| 20:45.08 | SRabbelier | dis: to store what columns you want shown and stuff |
| 20:45.10 | kblin | !cookie |
| 20:45.10 | socinfo | kblin: "cookie" is omnomnom |
| 20:45.17 | SRabbelier | dis: do you have a error message or such? |
| 20:45.36 | MatthewWilkes | !learn cookie as supported in modern browsers |
| 20:45.36 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:45.38 | MatthewWilkes | !cookie |
| 20:45.39 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: "cookie" is (#1) omnomnom, or (#2) supported in modern browsers |
| 20:45.47 | MatthewWilkes | yeah? |
| 20:45.48 | dis | no, they just aren't displayed. I'll try to get you a screenshot |
| 20:46.10 | kblin | a bit boring |
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| 20:46.25 | kblin | but on the plus side, it doesn't mention the war |
| 20:46.39 | MatthewWilkes | !forget cookie 2 |
| 20:46.40 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:46.44 | SRabbelier | dis: I'll believe you when they say they're not displayed |
| 20:46.59 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it ok |
| 20:47.02 | SRabbelier | dis: but, if there's no error message there's not a lot we can do, unless Mario manages to reproduce locally |
| 20:47.06 | SRabbelier | dis: what browser/OS? |
| 20:47.11 | kblin | !learn war as Just don't mention it |
| 20:47.11 | socinfo | kblin: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:47.36 | dis | SRabbelier: ancient firefox, the one that comes with debian lenny. It's like 3 years old ;) |
| 20:47.55 | SRabbelier | kblin: should link to the sketch |
| 20:48.03 | SRabbelier | dis: yeeeeees? |
| 20:48.04 | SRabbelier | !moreinfo |
| 20:48.12 | SRabbelier | !moredata |
| 20:48.14 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "moredata" is Please provide more data on your problem, have you tried turning it on and off again? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85xwZ_OLX0 |
| 20:48.20 | SRabbelier | dis: we're all programmers here, you should know that just "ancient" isn't very helpful :P |
| 20:48.34 | MatthewWilkes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xnNhzgcWTk |
| 20:48.40 | MatthewWilkes | ^^^ basil |
| 20:49.06 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: add it |
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| 20:51.11 | SRabbelier | I'm adding filters |
| 20:51.14 | SRabbelier | so that by default |
| 20:51.17 | SRabbelier | only pending Requests are shown |
| 20:51.22 | SRabbelier | any requests on other dashboard filters? |
| 20:51.25 | SRabbelier | (it uses a dropdown) |
| 20:51.41 | SRabbelier | e.g.: http://awesomescreenshot.com/003ay0888 |
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| 20:53.42 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: for the Requests section only, or anything? if Requests, then rejected might be a nice one to have, in case you need to go back and revert it |
| 20:53.58 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: that's an option in the dropdown |
| 20:54.01 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: and, anything :) |
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| 20:54.56 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: how about "proposal modified since i last viewed it" |
| 20:55.15 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: YOU ALREADY HAVE NOTIFICATIONS WHY DO YOU HATE ME :( |
| 20:55.26 | dberkholz | hey, you asked for it =) |
| 20:55.48 | gevaerts | dberkholz: can we have a filter on proposals so it doesn't show us the bad ones in the first place? |
| 20:55.53 | carols | SRabbelier: why do you hate your users? :-P |
| 20:56.12 | gevaerts | oops, that was for SRabbelier... |
| 20:56.13 | |Kev| | carols: got a second for a very quick PM? |
| 20:56.19 | carols | |Kev|: sure |
| 20:56.24 | |Kev| | Merci. |
| 20:56.29 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: more seriously, though, i'm not exactly sure what the last modified date means. the proposal itself, or all comments, or scores too? |
| 20:56.30 | SRabbelier | carols: "Do you think your users are scum? Well, do you?" |
| 20:56.38 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: proposal itself |
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| 20:57.10 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Hey, you know how hard we are to deal with. I feel sorry for Sverre. |
| 20:57.50 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: "Average score above N"? |
| 20:57.54 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: *peers*, are you being serious or facetious? |
| 20:57.59 | carols | MatthewWilkes: sverre's doing an awesome job dealing with all of you, i think :-) |
| 20:58.13 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: express that as a regexp and I can add it :P |
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| 20:58.27 | SRabbelier | (had to look up the spelling of facetious) |
| 20:58.41 | SRabbelier | carols: 'tis with the help of all the nice people ^^ |
| 20:59.05 | dberkholz | it would be pretty cool to filter score ranges with numeric filters like >, <, etc |
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| 20:59.12 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Serious! :P |
| 20:59.18 | dberkholz | not string matches |
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| 20:59.40 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: in that case, awrr, thank you ^^ |
| 20:59.42 | gevaerts | dberkholz: now express ">" as a regexp :) |
| 20:59.53 | dberkholz | yeah, i was just trying to imagine how to do that |
| 20:59.58 | dberkholz | are they extended regex? |
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| 21:00.24 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: maybe? check the JQGrid docs |
| 21:00.48 | kblin | SRabbelier: is there a way to get the app's score as * characters? |
| 21:00.50 | kblin | :) |
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| 21:01.37 | SRabbelier | kblin: eheheh, cute idea |
| 21:01.39 | kblin | then all apps with a score > 5 would be \*{6,} :) |
| 21:01.41 | dberkholz | no, doesn't seem that way. |
| 21:02.01 | dberkholz | ([5-9]|[0-9][0-9]) doesn't get what i was hoping for |
| 21:02.03 | kblin | SRabbelier: spamassassin uses that for spam scores, pretty nifty |
| 21:02.21 | SRabbelier | kblin: clever |
| 21:02.33 | dberkholz | kblin: doesn't work so well when you want to filter >=1.5 though |
| 21:02.41 | dberkholz | (which i do) |
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| 21:02.47 | kblin | meh |
| 21:03.07 | kblin | filter for \*>| then? |
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| 21:03.15 | kblin | that looks like 1.5 stars |
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| 21:03.42 | dis | SRabbelier: yes, I tried to restart it, cookies are on, etc Here is a screenshot: http://img845.imageshack.us/i/screenshot1m.jpg/. Version string is Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.19) Gecko/2010102906 Iceweasel/3.0.6 (Debian-3.0.6-3). Just in case it's easily fixable |
| 21:03.51 | dberkholz | i ended up trashing everything ** or greater than looking at the numbers like 1.[5-9] |
| 21:04.08 | SRabbelier | dis: fwding to Mario |
| 21:04.40 | CrawfordComeaux | If we have to scrap a student before initial payout/coding, will we be able to replace them with a student we wanted but weren't able to slot? |
| 21:04.45 | SRabbelier | dis: we'll see what we can do :) |
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| 21:04.54 | dis | SRabbelier: thanks |
| 21:04.56 | kblin | CrawfordComeaux: nope |
| 21:05.02 | CrawfordComeaux | rats |
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| 21:05.29 | kblin | CrawfordComeaux: basically the moment the accepted student list is live, that's it |
| 21:05.42 | CrawfordComeaux | got it |
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| 21:07.47 | SRabbelier | kblin: I think there have been a few stand-ins, but those were all within the same org |
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| 21:08.43 | SRabbelier | deploys |
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| 21:08.57 | SRabbelier | dhaun: thanks for the reply btw |
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| 21:09.25 | SRabbelier | oh! |
| 21:09.28 | SRabbelier | I want org filter too ^^ |
| 21:09.28 | dhaun | SRabbelier: you're welcome |
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| 21:09.51 | mailson | !logs |
| 21:09.52 | socinfo | mailson: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 21:09.58 | kblin | CrawfordComeaux: well, carols has the last word on this and might be persuaded to make exceptions |
| 21:09.58 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: an easier last modified filter could be number of days... |
| 21:10.08 | kblin | I wouldn't plan on it, though |
| 21:10.15 | carols | hm? |
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| 21:10.18 | carols | can i help someone? |
| 21:10.19 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: hmmm, how to regexp though? |
| 21:10.25 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: can only do exact filters afaik |
| 21:10.25 | carols | you rang kblin? |
| 21:10.35 | SRabbelier | carols: (11:04:42 PM) CrawfordComeaux: If we have to scrap a student before initial payout/coding, will we be able to replace them with a student we wanted but weren't able to slot? |
| 21:10.53 | SRabbelier | carols: (11:07:49 PM) SRabbelier: kblin: I think there have been a few stand-ins, but those were all within the same org |
| 21:11.00 | kblin | carols: what sverre (or rather CrawfordComeaux) said |
| 21:11.05 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: oh, i thought you were just saying i should make my own regex, didn't realize the dropdowns were regex-based |
| 21:11.11 | carols | CrawfordComeaux: you can change students up until the deupe meeting. then you're done. |
| 21:11.45 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: they are |
| 21:11.55 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: they're just predefined regexes with a pretty name |
| 21:13.15 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: would be pretty easy to do it in reverse ... "Last X days" for [0], [0-1], [0-2], etc |
| 21:13.29 | dberkholz | maybe up to 7 is reasonable |
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| 21:13.36 | SRabbelier | hmmm |
| 21:13.47 | Talad | carols, SRabbelier: http://www.booki.cc/gsoc-mentoring/_v/1.0/evaluations/ |
| 21:13.47 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: yeah |
| 21:13.59 | Talad | can you check the chapter: "When in Doubt, Fail the Student Early " |
| 21:14.15 | carols | Talad: what do you mean by "check it"? |
| 21:14.15 | Talad | "In particular, if a student fails during the community bonding period, there is likely an opportunity for the organization to substitute another student, or to give the slot to another organization to do so. " |
| 21:14.18 | Talad | this phrase |
| 21:14.34 | Talad | I had the same question of CrawfordComeaux |
| 21:14.40 | Talad | and I thought that paper answered me |
| 21:14.51 | Talad | but now I see your answer is different |
| 21:15.13 | Talad | is that URL anything official? or just a review of an outsider? |
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| 21:15.16 | SRabbelier | carols: I think we used to do it that way in previous years, sometimes |
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| 21:15.40 | carols | Talad: if the student, for example, had to leave the country suddenly during the community bonding period and through no fault of your organization's was out of the program, sure, i'd be willing to swap out students. but my impression of CrawfordComeaux's question was just - can we choose one student over another? and the answer to that is no. |
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| 21:16.18 | Talad | the sense of that article seems to be that if the student is bad, you should change it instead of continuing the agony for 3 months |
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| 21:16.44 | kblin | if the student is bad, don't select the student |
| 21:16.48 | carols | Talad: then i will modify it to fix the sense of it for next year. |
| 21:16.50 | kblin | :D |
| 21:16.52 | carols | what kblin said |
| 21:16.59 | carols | your screening should filter out a poor student |
| 21:17.36 | Talad | I think the screening filters it |
| 21:17.41 | dberkholz | i don't know if we'll ever be able to find all the future ghosts |
| 21:17.43 | SRabbelier | carols: I think the " through no fault of your organization" bit is important |
| 21:17.46 | carols | Talad: great, then the point is moot :-) |
| 21:18.02 | dberkholz | it's nice to have an option to replace them early instead of praying they'll actually start communicating |
| 21:18.04 | muenchhausen | Evening. The program timeline thing on http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2011 says that the on-season is April-September. Isn't it actually April-August? |
| 21:18.04 | SRabbelier | carols: adding that to the guide should be sufficient, yes? |
| 21:18.05 | Triskelios | if there are a number of applications for very similar projects, at which point is it okay to inform students that there is some amount of contention and that they should also consider other projects? |
| 21:18.10 | carols | SRabbelier: yes |
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| 21:18.18 | Talad | I never been through the program |
| 21:18.29 | Talad | but that article suggested that it's very possible to have many failing students |
| 21:18.30 | SRabbelier | Triskelios: whenever you want as an organization |
| 21:18.33 | SRabbelier | Triskelios: that's up to you |
| 21:18.35 | lucacarabetta | Hey guys I have just met GSOC. I have an important question: have I to sumbit an application or I can only partecipate to the event indicating an existing project in which I am interested and in which I want to work? |
| 21:18.38 | Talad | I'm not an expert though |
| 21:18.39 | carols | Talad: then ill fix it. |
| 21:18.45 | Talad | ok, thanks |
| 21:18.57 | kblin | !faq |
| 21:18.58 | socinfo | kblin: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 21:19.00 | Triskelios | SRabbelier: thanks |
| 21:19.11 | kblin | lucacarabetta: see the url above |
| 21:19.31 | dberkholz | Triskelios: whenever i get a proposal that looks extremely strong, i usually start pushing other students who bring up that idea toward different ones |
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| 21:20.02 | dberkholz | if they still really want to apply for that one, i let them. maybe they'll be even more awesome, who knows |
| 21:21.22 | SRabbelier | does anyone have a good trick to remember that the ^ goes at the beginning of a regexp and the $ at the end? |
| 21:21.31 | SRabbelier | I always get confused which goes where >_< |
| 21:21.43 | scgtrp | is "it doesn't work if you get it wrong" a good trick? ;) |
| 21:21.44 | Triskelios | dberkholz: yeah... the problem is we received the submitted applications all within the span of the last few days |
| 21:21.46 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: use them all the time? |
| 21:22.13 | SRabbelier | scgtrp, gevaerts: did I mention I hate (debugging) regexps? |
| 21:22.17 | kblin | SRabbelier: it's a bit like gsoc, cash ($) should be the last thing you think about |
| 21:22.17 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: umm, here's a simple one -- you pay ($) at the end of a meal |
| 21:22.39 | SRabbelier | kblin: booyah :D |
| 21:22.40 | SRabbelier | nice |
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| 21:22.56 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: what's your regex issue? |
| 21:23.03 | ajedwards | or you get the other half to pay the $ and get your coat |
| 21:23.13 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: none at the moment, luckily |
| 21:23.17 | ajedwards | has moths in the wallet :o |
| 21:23.22 | dberkholz | kblin: heh, good thought. you high-5 (^) when you get it, and you get the money ($) at the end. |
| 21:23.27 | dberkholz | get in* |
| 21:23.37 | kblin | haha, good one |
| 21:24.07 | kblin | dberkholz: too bad ^ is shift-6 :) |
| 21:24.13 | kblin | that'd be even more fun |
| 21:24.14 | ajedwards | kblin, cash is helpful though... can't code without a roof! |
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| 21:25.00 | kblin | fair enough |
| 21:25.05 | muenchhausen | Do you guys have suggestions for European students? Here the holidays start with July, almost half-way into GSoC. |
| 21:25.17 | kblin | muenchhausen: talk to your org |
| 21:25.55 | muenchhausen | I mentioned it in my application, nevertheless it's a problem |
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| 21:26.01 | kblin | see if you can get an early start during the community bonding period so you can accomodate for the exam-induced break at the end of semester |
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| 21:26.34 | ajedwards | muenchhausen, the application period (these two weeks) fall directly in my assignment deadline time... try that for size! |
| 21:26.41 | muenchhausen | it's not only busy during examn time but during the whole semester |
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| 21:27.38 | dberkholz | think about finding 15 hrs/wk or so starting at the beginning of the bonding period. that makes up for a lot of lost time |
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| 21:27.59 | ajedwards | muenchhausen, I would have thought the problem is the Google schedule for reviewing students.. that'd be why you can't begin later |
| 21:28.02 | muenchhausen | I have assignment deadlines every week, sometimes 2 or 3 weeks time for something, but there are deadlines every week |
| 21:28.04 | lucacarabetta | sorry but, the application is only for mentors? I'd like to join the project not as a mentor, is that possible? |
| 21:28.47 | dberkholz | many students hold on-campus jobs for that much time, so it should be do-able |
| 21:28.59 | muenchhausen | ajedwards: the problem is that holidays in the US seem to start different from Europe |
| 21:29.18 | ajedwards | Here in the UK we finish the semester next week |
| 21:29.32 | ajedwards | and exams are in May (first 2 weeks) |
| 21:29.34 | kblin | anyway, bedtime, got work tomorrow |
| 21:29.39 | muenchhausen | ok, so it even differs in Europe |
| 21:30.05 | muenchhausen | I have courses throughout June and exams at the end of June |
| 21:30.15 | SRabbelier | lucacarabetta: the application is for students as well |
| 21:30.19 | gevaerts | !exams |
| 21:30.20 | socinfo | gevaerts: "exams" is If your exams overlap the gsoc coding period, you can still apply. Make sure you mention the issue in your application, and discuss it with the organisation. A common workaround is to start work early, during the community bonding period, and to do a bit more than the normal 40 hours per week after the exams. |
| 21:31.05 | gevaerts | muenchhausen: many organisations are willing to help work around this sort of thing |
| 21:31.09 | lucacarabetta | ok, I could not find out how to join a project as a student, on the website I saw only the mentor-like subscription |
| 21:31.16 | ajedwards | There is a third semester here in the UK - it runs June to September for people who failed or are sitting a fast track degree |
| 21:31.23 | muenchhausen | Yeah, I'll try it that way if I get accepted |
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| 21:32.09 | Talad | lucacarabetta: you cannot be mentor and student |
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| 21:32.16 | muenchhausen | ajedwards: ah, that's how it works in the UK. There are only two semesters in Austria. |
| 21:32.20 | Talad | so if you already registered as mentor, you will just see mentor links |
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| 21:32.30 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: whoah, nice |
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| 21:32.47 | SRabbelier | lucacarabetta: please do not PM me without permission |
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| 21:33.00 | lucacarabetta | sry |
| 21:33.20 | SRabbelier | !screenshot |
| 21:33.22 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "screenshot" is Please provide a screenshot illustrating your problem, we recommend http://www.awesomescreenshot.com for easy screenshotting. |
| 21:33.30 | SRabbelier | lucacarabetta: ^ of the homepage please, make sure to include the "Students apply now" box |
| 21:33.45 | lucacarabetta | ok I try |
| 21:33.57 | qmentis | !academic |
| 21:34.38 | qmentis | !mentor |
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| 21:34.56 | qmentis | does socinfo ignore me? :) |
| 21:35.04 | gevaerts | !cookie |
| 21:35.05 | socinfo | gevaerts: "cookie" is omnomnom |
| 21:35.10 | gevaerts | qmentis: apparently |
| 21:35.25 | qmentis | too bad :( |
| 21:35.25 | SRabbelier | qmentis: there's just no factoids for those terms |
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| 21:35.41 | gevaerts | qmentis: either that or it doesn't know what you are talking about :) |
| 21:35.58 | qmentis | does anyone know something about the "google academic support program"? |
| 21:36.18 | gevaerts | the GASP? |
| 21:36.40 | gevaerts | now *wants* to know about that! |
| 21:36.46 | aln | Hello. Does anybody know something about Google OSPO Umbrella? I'm a student and wish to propose my own project and have professor from my university to be my mentor. OSPO claims to be an organization for students looking for special projects with academic mentors |
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| 21:37.15 | dberkholz | aln: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#no_org |
| 21:37.19 | qmentis | jeez, I've googled GASP :)))) |
| 21:37.40 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: sharp eyes |
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| 21:38.54 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: I like words :) |
| 21:39.09 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: I got that impression |
| 21:39.21 | lucacarabetta | ok, for instance I go here http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/python and I see "submit proposal". I think this is the mentor-like profile |
| 21:39.31 | aln | thanks for the link |
| 21:39.53 | gevaerts | lucacarabetta: "submit proposal" would be a student thing to do |
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| 21:40.56 | lucacarabetta | So I have to create a proposal, not just join to an existing one |
| 21:41.09 | gevaerts | exactly |
| 21:41.17 | SRabbelier | lucacarabetta: you might want to read the faq |
| 21:41.18 | SRabbelier | !faq |
| 21:41.19 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 21:41.24 | lucacarabetta | thanks |
| 21:41.26 | gevaerts | There are no "existing proposals", just ideas |
| 21:41.29 | SRabbelier | lucacarabetta: sure :) |
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| 21:43.32 | MatthewWilkes | spectie! |
| 21:45.49 | spectie | hey MatthewWilkes ! |
| 21:45.56 | spectie | just got home from work |
| 21:45.59 | spectie | ex_hausted_ |
| 21:46.20 | MatthewWilkes | silly boy, work less |
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| 21:51.03 | SRabbelier | dis: Can you try clearing the cookies for the site? |
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| 21:51.31 | dis | SRabbelier: i tried, didn't help, will try again now |
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| 21:54.50 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: for the record, I can reproduce that with the same version as dis, with a never-used browser (so no existing cookies and things) |
| 21:55.02 | dis | SRabbelier: didn't help |
| 21:55.09 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: thanks! |
| 21:55.19 | SRabbelier | dis, gevaerts: can you install firebug |
| 21:55.24 | SRabbelier | to see what the error is? |
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| 21:56.32 | gevaerts | looks for an old enough firebug :) |
| 21:56.42 | SRabbelier | ehehe |
| 21:57.10 | dis | gevaerts: if you can do this it would be awesome. I'd rather not run apt-get on this machine |
| 21:57.36 | gevaerts | dis: I'm installing it from inside the browser |
| 21:57.49 | gevaerts | Now I just have to figure out how it works :) |
| 21:58.07 | dis | ah, I forgot it's an extention |
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| 21:59.39 | SRabbelier | Mario says |
| 21:59.41 | SRabbelier | Something should have been raised in Firefox's error console anyway (Should be in Tools -> Error console, usually CTRL+SHIFT+J). |
| 21:59.49 | SRabbelier | even without Firebug installed |
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| 22:00.32 | gevaerts | I see a bunch of css errors there |
| 22:01.05 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: where is the ajax request supposed to go? Also www.google-melange.com? |
| 22:01.10 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: yes |
| 22:01.48 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: nothing else? |
| 22:01.54 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: can you pastebin the errors? |
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| 22:02.18 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: sure |
| 22:02.28 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: thanks |
| 22:02.31 | dis | yeah, a bunch of css errors |
| 22:02.49 | dis | btw firebug is a separate package in debian lenny ;) |
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| 22:03.29 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: hm, how do I copy them? |
| 22:03.46 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: select + ctrl-c? I never use Fx |
| 22:04.22 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: I don't see any network request to the server apart from the page itself (i.e. e.g. /gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2011) |
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| 22:04.58 | Sefam | Oh hai, I had a question |
| 22:05.03 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: it should make an ajax request to /gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2010?fmt=json&idx=.... |
| 22:05.14 | Sefam | Is it here that I can ask? |
| 22:05.17 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: but I suppose if the list isn't loading at all that wont' happen |
| 22:05.18 | SRabbelier | Sefam: yes |
| 22:05.29 | Sefam | Do associations have the right to change the deadlines? |
| 22:05.46 | Sefam | AKA not follow Google's official deadlines for the GSoC |
| 22:06.51 | SRabbelier | Sefam: nope |
| 22:06.58 | Sefam | Because I have an association here that's saying that I HAVE to submit my proposal |
| 22:06.59 | Sefam | today |
| 22:07.01 | Sefam | because it's their deadline |
| 22:07.16 | Sefam | And very honestly, I'm on a tight schedule, and that sort of pisses me off, no offense. |
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| 22:07.20 | gevaerts | That's unusual... |
| 22:07.45 | Sefam | I receive an e-mail yesterday evening telling me I NEED to submit my proposal today |
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| 22:08.49 | carols | Sefam: you will be able to submit your proposal until friday at 19:00 UTC regardless of what the org tells you. |
| 22:09.10 | Sefam | carols: But they sorta tell me I would be refused |
| 22:09.11 | Sefam | if I did that |
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| 22:09.30 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: any luck in copying the errors? |
| 22:09.33 | carols | Sefam: it sounds like its upsetting you to work with them - why don't you submit your proposal to another organization instead? |
| 22:09.50 | Sefam | Carols: Because I would have to look through the code of other associations' projects |
| 22:09.52 | Sefam | to make a proposal |
| 22:09.53 | Sefam | :\ |
| 22:09.57 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: I'll have to resort to screenshots of the error log I'm afraid... |
| 22:10.03 | carols | Sefam: you still have two days to do that :-) |
| 22:10.11 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: works tooo |
| 22:10.15 | Sefam | And I don't exactly have swell time to do that, I have 7 hours of class tomorrow |
| 22:10.19 | Sefam | and 6 hours of class friday |
| 22:10.22 | Sefam | on top of the projects I have to do |
| 22:10.29 | carols | Sefam: ok, well, your prerogative. |
| 22:10.45 | MatthewWilkes | Sefam: They may well just be trying to get the people who are dragging their feet to hurry up, every year there are lots of people that are too late |
| 22:11.16 | Sefam | Matthew: Well, I planned to get stuff done by Friday. So getting my deadline shortened by two days upsets me, because I already started working on it. |
| 22:11.30 | Sefam | I just told the association that I wouldn't apply, due to that. |
| 22:11.30 | carols | Sefam: you should talk to them about it, we can't change the deadlines. |
| 22:11.32 | dis | SRabbelier: http://pastebin.com/BFDBzY44 this seems to be the full list, however I may have missed something |
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| 22:11.53 | MatthewWilkes | Sefam: :( May I ask what kind of stuff you're looking to do? |
| 22:12.05 | SRabbelier | dis: thank you |
| 22:12.08 | Sefam | Matthew: Was looking at PlaneShift's stuff. |
| 22:12.10 | Sefam | Atomic Blue |
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| 22:12.18 | Pizik | You were ;o) |
| 22:12.19 | Sefam | Sorry for calling out an association |
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| 22:13.44 | Sefam | WEll, I'm sorry, I'm probably going to drop it if it's just going to be problems like that with associations doing...Pretty what they want. |
| 22:13.48 | MatthewWilkes | Sefam: Your call, I asked the question so you wouldn't have to. Maybe take a look at worldforge? |
| 22:14.18 | Talad | Sefam: the deadline was sent to you on 2011/03/30 |
| 22:14.18 | Sefam | Matthew: I probably should, but I dunno if I'l be able to look through all the code to identify the problems and what to do about them in two days, I'm not very experienced. |
| 22:14.26 | Sefam | Talad: It wasn't. |
| 22:14.30 | Talad | and I sent you 3 follow up email to get in contact with you |
| 22:14.34 | Talad | and you never answered |
| 22:14.40 | Sefam | Yes, but none of them contained a shortened deadline |
| 22:14.43 | Talad | well, I have it on the system |
| 22:14.46 | Sefam | Yes, I replied to said e-mails. |
| 22:14.51 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/1.png http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/2.png http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/3.png |
| 22:15.01 | Talad | the deadline is there to avoid people getting too late |
| 22:15.03 | Sefam | And I got two e-mails, actually, from your service. |
| 22:15.08 | Talad | I took 2 days of contingency |
| 22:15.10 | carols | talad Sefam: please take this into a PM if necessary |
| 22:15.19 | Talad | agreed |
| 22:15.22 | MatthewWilkes | Sefam: Well, obviously I don't speak for everyone, but although we do encourage people to submit before the deadline and edit stuff in melange, most orgs understand you have other stuff on your plate at the moment |
| 22:15.26 | Talad | just didn't like the "they sent it to me yesterday" |
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| 22:16.28 | MatthewWilkes | Sefam: Short form: not every org is the same, there's a wide range of styles of how to run things, I encourage you not to give up on the programme so readily |
| 22:16.33 | MatthewWilkes | shuts up |
| 22:16.42 | Sefam | I apologize Talad |
| 22:16.45 | Sefam | But I received an e-mail |
| 22:16.47 | Sefam | on April 5th |
| 22:16.51 | Sefam | Telling me that the deadline was today. |
| 22:16.54 | carols | Sefam: keep it up and i will kick you. |
| 22:16.59 | carols | Talad: same to you. |
| 22:16.59 | Sefam | Alright. |
| 22:17.01 | carols | take it offline |
| 22:17.03 | carols | now. |
| 22:17.22 | Sefam | K. |
| 22:17.22 | Talad | Sefam: PM me and we can discuss as much as you want |
| 22:18.09 | MatthewWilkes | distributes some assam |
| 22:18.16 | dfighter | gets popcorn |
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| 22:18.27 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: I can look for more info in firebug, but I'll need rather clear instructions, I don't know much about javascript |
| 22:18.50 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: you don't get any more errors from firebug than from the regular console, yes? |
| 22:18.53 | Sefam | So I'm gonna try looking at worldforge, any tips on what I should do? I don't really know how to skim through an entire project I don't know much about. |
| 22:19.21 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: it looks like I get the same ones |
| 22:19.36 | MatthewWilkes | Sefam: I encourage you to talk to them, see if you get along, discuss what you like doing and what they need |
| 22:19.45 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: ok, will poke you if we need more help, but maybe mario can install that ole Fx himself :) |
| 22:19.56 | carols | Sefam: contact them via the contact information on their ideas page/ melange site. their ideas page will also give you a sense of what they're looking for students to work on |
| 22:19.57 | SRabbelier | !anyone |
| 22:19.58 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 22:20.00 | SRabbelier | Sefam: ^ |
| 22:20.15 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: it's the standard one in the debian version that was stable only two months ago, so that shouldn't be *too* tricky :) |
| 22:20.53 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: right ^^ |
| 22:21.28 | milki | !next |
| 22:21.30 | socinfo | milki: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 22:21.33 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: I'll have to go to sleep soon, so I might not get back to you until tomorrow if you do poke me |
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| 22:22.12 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: that's fine, I'm in no hurry :P |
| 22:22.17 | SRabbelier | dis might be I suppose :) |
| 22:24.23 | MatthewWilkes | carols: So, I finally put two and two together today. The organiser of PloneConf2011 is also one of the burning man team |
| 22:24.35 | carols | MatthewWilkes: wow, what a small world |
| 22:24.37 | MatthewWilkes | I have a Hrarf-Hrarf style pre-hangover already |
| 22:24.52 | carols | hehe |
| 22:26.20 | MatthewWilkes | Looking forward to it though, will be the first time I've spent more than 16 hours in SF itself for years |
| 22:26.46 | Sefam | The problem with Talad is solved, I did not receive his e-mails, but it's my fault for not staying informed about the org's deadline on their wiki and IRC for the last week and a half. |
| 22:26.46 | carols | MatthewWilkes: awesome. what dates specifically will you be here? |
| 22:26.59 | Sefam | Sorry for bringing it up again, I felt it was necessary. |
| 22:27.04 | Sefam | :> |
| 22:27.07 | carols | Sefam: great, i'm glad it's resolved. let's close the book on it now. |
| 22:27.19 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Not until around the mentor summit |
| 22:27.35 | carols | MatthewWilkes: well we should do dinner or something while you're here. :-) |
| 22:28.07 | Sefam | And thanks for the help SRabbe/Carols, but I think I'm just going to try to find an association I'm interested in in the orgs list, and work on something outside of the GSoC, I should have prepared way beforehand and I delayed things too much because of my priorities. I'l try again next year :) |
| 22:28.15 | carols | great |
| 22:28.46 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Probably 24th-31st of October |
| 22:28.47 | Sefam | I have 0 experience in the OSS community, or in projects in general, and I'm not sure where to start, you have any suggestion carols? |
| 22:29.02 | MatthewWilkes | carols: And that would be great :) |
| 22:29.06 | dis | SRabbelier: I'm in Europe so I'm going to bed too, but yeah, it's a debian lenny (oldstable) iceweasel package. |
| 22:29.08 | gevaerts | Sefam: find a bug that annoys you, and fix it :) |
| 22:29.13 | carols | Sefam: take a look at the list of organizations and see who's working on something you're passionate about. offer to help them. |
| 22:29.17 | SRabbelier | dis: ditto :) |
| 22:29.18 | SRabbelier | thanks |
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| 22:29.33 | Sefam | gevaerts: I'm not very OSS savvy though :> |
| 22:30.03 | MatthewWilkes | Sefam: The idea of GSoC is to make you OSS savvy |
| 22:30.04 | Sefam | And even from reading 1000 pages programmation bricks, I still get lost in projects hahahaha |
| 22:30.17 | carols | Sefam: just contact them. you have to talk to them before they can tell you what they're doing that will suit you |
| 22:30.36 | MatthewWilkes | Sefam: Projects are looking for students who are genuinely passionate about a project, that's why talking to them is good, you can work out what's best for both sides |
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| 22:30.47 | gevaerts | Sefam: that's why I'm suggesting to fix something that *you* find annoying. Focus on one specific thing first, the rest will follow :) |
| 22:31.23 | gevaerts | Most (not all, unfortunately) developers won't bite if you send them a patch that fixes an actual bug! |
| 22:31.40 | Sefam | Matthew: Well, there's a lot people with more experience than me, and even if I'm interested, I'm unexperienced and I'm not sure I can take a project that big yet. |
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| 22:32.16 | carols | Sefam: you have to just either listen to us and reach out to them in the first place or no one can help you. if you'd like to talk yourself out of it before you start, you're welcome to, but that's up to you, not us. |
| 22:32.21 | gevaerts | Then you do it again (possibly with different software), and before you know it, you've worked (slightly, sure...) with several projects and figured out which community style fits you |
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| 22:33.11 | Talad | Sefam: most of the students are not experienced, don't fear that. |
| 22:33.27 | Talad | the scope of the program is to have new people discover OSS |
| 22:33.33 | Talad | and so it's normal to have little experience |
| 22:33.45 | MatthewWilkes | Sefam: I've run the Plone Foundation's participation for 3 years, I'm a backup admin at the moment. carols runs the programme. gevaerts is an experienced mentor. Trust us, we care about passion, not expertise |
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| 22:34.07 | Sefam | carols: What I meant is that the amount of time I spend trying to look into more projects, in my limited time, because I lack experience, sort of seems impossible. |
| 22:34.12 | Talad | be candid with the orgs about your skills and knowledge and search something you like. |
| 22:34.40 | carols | Sefam: it's only impossible if you don't try. you can do anything you want to if you just go ahead and do it. |
| 22:34.57 | ady1689 | #wordpress-gsoc |
| 22:34.57 | SRabbelier | !goodenough |
| 22:34.59 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "goodenough" is Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/am-i-good-enough/ |
| 22:35.03 | Sefam | Carols: There's...Barely 2 days left, and some people have been reading up on the code since the beginning of the first step. |
| 22:35.04 | SRabbelier | Sefam: ^ |
| 22:35.21 | SRabbelier | Sefam: if you dont' try you surely won't succeed :) |
| 22:35.22 | gevaerts | Sefam: some have, yes. Some haven't |
| 22:35.22 | carols | Sefam: i'm kind of done trying to motivate you at this point, my friend. either do it or don't. there is no try. |
| 22:35.30 | MatthewWilkes | Sefam: If I had a new student approach me now there would be no disadvantage to him/her. |
| 22:35.47 | MatthewWilkes | carols: :D |
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| 22:36.01 | carols | MatthewWilkes: :-D |
| 22:36.02 | SRabbelier | carols: that's what I was trying to say I think :) |
| 22:36.14 | SRabbelier | carols: your way with words is superior it seems |
| 22:36.21 | carols | SRabbelier: i have my moments. |
| 22:36.43 | Sefam | Well, I don't know what would be entry-level for my to submit to. Most of the associations I've visited had somewhat difficult tasks up. |
| 22:36.58 | MatthewWilkes | Sefam: Talk. To. Them. |
| 22:37.48 | Sefam | Alright, I'l spend my evening on that then, will try to look around as many associations as possible. |
| 22:37.59 | Sefam | at as* |
| 22:38.02 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
| 22:38.31 | Sefam | I really need to read through all the code before sending a proposal though? |
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| 22:38.47 | asmeurer | hi. Can someone explain to me how the slot allocation works? |
| 22:38.56 | asmeurer | (I am the admin for a new org this year) |
| 22:38.57 | gevaerts | In most projects, you *can't* read through all the code |
| 22:39.04 | gevaerts | !slots |
| 22:39.05 | socinfo | gevaerts: "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/site/site/studentallocations |
| 22:39.23 | rrix | is looking over student apps... Are they required to list their Real Name in the application? |
| 22:39.37 | rrix | doesn't see a definite Yes in the student guide |
| 22:39.38 | carols | asmeurer: http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
| 22:39.59 | Sefam | Should I look in all the orgs, or only those I have a specific interest in? |
| 22:40.43 | gevaerts | Sefam: it probably makes sense to concentrate on those that use a programming language you've used before |
| 22:41.04 | Sefam | Well.. Of course hahahaha |
| 22:41.13 | asmeurer | hmm. So does new org == fewer slots? |
| 22:41.42 | MatthewWilkes | Sefam: Ones that you are interested in. Pick a language and a class of problems, like games, operating systems, websites, etc |
| 22:41.53 | MatthewWilkes | then read their intros and pick a few |
| 22:42.20 | asmeurer | is there a way to get an idea of what percentage of the total applications we are receiving? |
| 22:42.32 | Sefam | Matthew: Well, I have to extend my interests, because there's not a lot in games :> |
| 22:42.46 | Sefam | And most of it is somewhat complicated and asks me knowledge in stuff that honestly, I never heard about |
| 22:43.02 | asmeurer | (I just want a rough estimate of how many slots we might get) |
| 22:43.32 | Michitux | asmeurer: have a look at the number of applications from the last year |
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| 22:45.21 | asmeurer | !numapps |
| 22:45.22 | socinfo | asmeurer: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
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| 22:45.58 | gevaerts | Sefam: (again, depending on the org) "knowledge needed" is not always the same as "knowledge needed before starting". learning during gsoc is expected and acceptable :) |
| 22:45.58 | asmeurer | I should use 3464, not 5539, in my calculations, right? |
| 22:46.36 | gevaerts | There will be some minimum requirements of course. As an extreme example, if you've never touched a computer before, you'll have a hard time getting accepted |
| 22:46.52 | SRabbelier | asmeurer: usually, yes |
| 22:46.52 | SRabbelier | asmeurer: also, %total is not used that much as suggested by that doc |
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| 22:48.38 | MatthewWilkes | asmeurer: To be honest, my best advice is to relax and see what happens |
| 22:49.26 | gevaerts | And that's not only good advice for this particular question :) |
| 22:49.29 | Michitux | I've also the feeling from what I'm reading here and experiencing myself (with 29 applications submitted so far and our plan to mentor just 3 students) that applications aren't at all equally distributed among all organizations |
| 22:49.40 | MatthewWilkes | We (Plone) are probably around mid-sized in GSoC (do you reckon, carols?), and we've had between 3 and 8 slots over the years, not in a steady growing or shrinking curve. Just try and work out what order the proposals are in, there's not much you can do about the slots |
| 22:49.59 | carols | MatthewWilkes: yes, i reckon. |
| 22:50.02 | MatthewWilkes | Michitux: We've got 4 applications so far, for the record. |
| 22:50.19 | MatthewWilkes | We're expecting more later on, but average of about 10 or 15? |
| 22:50.41 | carols | MatthewWilkes: how's the quality this year? |
| 22:50.58 | MatthewWilkes | carols: I'm quite happy :) |
| 22:51.17 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Everyone's put effort in this year so far |
| 22:51.18 | carols | MatthewWilkes: awesome. |
| 22:51.18 | MatthewWilkes | no copypastas |
| 22:51.26 | carols | mmm copypasta |
| 22:52.31 | MatthewWilkes | carols: I'm quite happy about the timeline question I came up with for last year, see bottom of http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/plone |
| 22:52.44 | MatthewWilkes | The "Complete the following sentences about how you see" question |
| 22:52.45 | carols | MatthewWilkes: perfect |
| 22:53.14 | carols | good idea |
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| 22:53.42 | spectie | we've had 16 proposals, 5 of which are copypasta |
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| 22:54.03 | Sefam | They know how to use CTRL+V |
| 22:54.05 | Sefam | Hire them |
| 22:54.06 | Sefam | Now. |
| 22:54.10 | spectie | lol Sefam |
| 22:54.18 | Sefam | Using google and CTRL+V are lost arts these days. |
| 22:54.20 | spectie | i don't hire without the whole set |
| 22:54.27 | spectie | ctrl+c, ctrl+x and ctrl+v |
| 22:54.35 | ahel | lol |
| 22:54.39 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Also, we're quite lucky, the Electrical Engineering STudents' European Association ran a few sprints last year, so we're getting a steady stream of excellent contributors through them |
| 22:54.44 | gevaerts | Bah, select and middle-click |
| 22:54.46 | ThFabba | What about Ctrl+Ins, Shift+Ins, Shift+Del? |
| 22:54.55 | carols | MatthewWilkes: that's really cool to hear |
| 22:55.01 | spectie | ThFabba, now you're getting into management |
| 22:55.02 | MatthewWilkes | carols: We picked them up through past SoC students, I love this programme |
| 22:55.13 | ThFabba | :) |
| 22:55.41 | carols | MatthewWilkes: me too! i should help out with running it.. |
| 22:55.42 | carols | oh |
| 22:55.42 | carols | wait |
| 22:56.03 | spectie | :D |
| 22:56.06 | ahel | ^^ |
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| 22:56.51 | MatthewWilkes | carols: :) |
| 22:56.57 | carols | :-) |
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| 22:57.42 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Just promise me you'll relax at the mentor summit more this year, there was no advanced gsoc room last year, we need to all sit around with good drinks and relax |
| 22:57.44 | bd_ | Sefam: C-a [, C-a ] are the One True copypaste binding :) |
| 22:57.54 | ahel | there is a way to add a picture on my proposal or i can only add a link? |
| 22:58.48 | carols | MatthewWilkes: i don't know that i can promise such things. :-P i had a book sprint before the summit, the summit, and the melange all hands afterward last year |
| 22:59.13 | MatthewWilkes | carols: There's always time for whisky |
| 22:59.21 | carols | MatthewWilkes: on this, i absolutely agree. |
| 22:59.23 | MatthewWilkes | at Pawel's mad dog shot things |
| 22:59.42 | gevaerts | falls asleep... |
| 22:59.54 | MatthewWilkes | +1 gevaerts |
| 22:59.57 | MatthewWilkes | my bedtime too |
| 23:00.13 | MatthewWilkes | ni-night all |
| 23:00.14 | Michitux | ahel: you can if you host it externally and include the img tag directly in the html code |
| 23:00.18 | gevaerts | Goodnight :) |
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| 23:11.42 | ahel | Michitux: yes, it's on blogspot, so it's ok, but how is the html tag? |
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| 23:13.40 | SRabbelier | !bug |
| 23:13.41 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "bug" is file melange feature requests & bugs at http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
| 23:14.33 | ahel | Michitux: ping |
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| 23:26.55 | Michitux | ahel: <img src="http://url/to/your/image.type" alt="A short description of your image" /> |
| 23:27.25 | ahel | Michitux: love u! |
| 23:27.43 | solardiz | as an org admin, i've just assigned a mentor to a student. does it matter to Google that the mentor never clicked "I wish to mentor", so we have "Possible mentors: None" on that student proposal? |
| 23:27.44 | ahel | i was going to go bed now! hahah |
| 23:27.46 | ahel | ty |
| 23:28.25 | solardiz | in other words, do i need to ask the mentor to click the "I wish ..." thing? |
| 23:28.38 | solardiz | (even though he's already assigned) |
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| 23:29.52 | tiritaki | On April 22th Orgs will have the lists of Mentors/Students/Projects/Ranks ready |
| 23:29.57 | tiritaki | will those lists be public ? |
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| 23:31.26 | ahel | !next |
| 23:31.27 | socinfo | ahel: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. The overall timeline is at http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 23:31.28 | Sefam | I've decided finally to just wait for that date to know what orgs will need to get done at that point, and then I'l try to get in some stuff. |
| 23:31.28 | tiritaki | are the lists with Selected students and their ranks public ? |
| 23:31.32 | Michitux | tiritaki: afaik no, students will only get to know if they have been accepted or not on April 25, everything else depends on the organization |
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| 23:31.57 | tiritaki | so upon 25th April you won't even know if the mentors have picked you |
| 23:32.20 | Sefam | Beyond the GSoC's approved orgs, is there anywhere I can look for OSS communities that could help a beginner like me get in? |
| 23:32.26 | Sefam | entry-level stuff. |
| 23:32.30 | Michitux | tiritaki: on april 25 you will get to know that. |
| 23:32.38 | Sefam | Or is there any other channel I can ask that on? |
| 23:32.57 | hypatia | Sefam: check out openhatch |
| 23:33.09 | Sefam | They have an IRC? |
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| 23:33.14 | hypatia | Sefam: yup, #openhatch |
| 23:33.17 | hypatia | Sefam: http://openhatch.org/ |
| 23:33.19 | hypatia | :) |
| 23:33.42 | hypatia | Sefam: one of the best things is they aggregate "bitesize" bugs for new contributors to work on |
| 23:34.09 | Sefam | That would be great for me |
| 23:34.18 | hypatia | awesome :) |
| 23:34.21 | Sefam | Their IRC channel is is on freenode? |
| 23:34.26 | hypatia | i think so! |
| 23:34.42 | hypatia | i think the irc is more for working on the site, rather than help getting started with stuff, but you should ask |
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| 23:35.26 | ahel | hypatia : it's really cool! thank you for sharing! |
| 23:35.29 | hypatia | :D |
| 23:37.01 | Sefam | I'l just make an account and try to look around, get some people to help me get around |
| 23:37.28 | hypatia | socinfo: learn openhatch as If you're interested in getting involved in Free and Open Source Software outside of GSoC, OpenHatch is a great resource. They aggregate easy bugs and have "missions" which teach essential FOSS community skills. Check them out here: http://openhatch.org |
| 23:37.28 | socinfo | hypatia: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:38.00 | Sefam | FOSS? |
| 23:38.10 | Sefam | Free Open Source Software -> Redundant? D8 |
| 23:38.32 | hypatia | not exactly, there are subtle differences :) |
| 23:38.48 | ahel | i thought Free Open Source Stuff.. |
| 23:38.55 | hypatia | Sefam: think Free as in GPL, Open Source as in BSD |
| 23:39.02 | Sefam | Wat |
| 23:39.51 | ahel | ^^ good night |
| 23:40.13 | hypatia | Sefam: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software#Comparison_with_free_software <-- a good explanation |
| 23:40.37 | Woaden | openhatch website down? |
| 23:40.42 | hypatia | oh no :( |
| 23:40.49 | hypatia | hmm, working for me |
| 23:40.57 | Woaden | ah, needs the www. in front of it for me |
| 23:41.12 | Sefam | So FOSS is free open source software? |
| 23:41.24 | Sefam | Does that mean that someone can just run away with the code I submit and run away with it? :S |
| 23:41.48 | dfighter | yes |
| 23:41.57 | dfighter | they can do *anything* with it |
| 23:42.02 | Sefam | Well, doesn't that ruin the purpose of doing volunteer work in the first place? |
| 23:42.02 | dfighter | that's the entire point |
| 23:42.03 | Sefam | :| |
| 23:42.21 | dfighter | I don't see why it would |
| 23:42.39 | Sefam | dfighter: If I bring a patch to some software, I can say "I brought X stuff into Y" |
| 23:42.46 | Sefam | Here I can't, because they can run away with it. |
| 23:42.52 | Sefam | If that's what I understand |
| 23:43.09 | dfighter | why couldn't you? |
| 23:43.15 | Woaden | doesn't GPL have a clause where you must keep the original author's header info in the code, and also you must inform those you 'sell' it to of the open sourceness of it? |
| 23:43.43 | dfighter | with GPL you have the GPL header |
| 23:43.46 | dfighter | the rest I don't know |
| 23:43.47 | Sefam | Woaden: But is FOSS under GPL? |
| 23:43.55 | dfighter | not neccessarily |
| 23:44.00 | dfighter | there are many licenses |
| 23:44.11 | dfighter | also you could choose not to use any license |
| 23:44.16 | dfighter | if you start a new project |
| 23:44.30 | Sefam | How do I know if the project is under a license then? |
| 23:44.40 | Sefam | I don't want to work on things that can literally run away AND deny what I did. |
| 23:44.43 | dfighter | check their site |
| 23:44.46 | dfighter | and their sources |
| 23:44.53 | dfighter | if they have the GPL license |
| 23:44.56 | dfighter | then they are under GPL |
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| 23:45.11 | Sefam | Where do I get to know that |
| 23:45.13 | Sefam | ?* |
| 23:45.23 | dfighter | well it says it |
| 23:45.41 | Sefam | Clearly, or in the small lines? |
| 23:46.08 | adam_vollrath | check the source for a LICENSE file |
| 23:46.17 | Sefam | Okay. |
| 23:46.27 | Michitux | though afaik there are also some projects that require you to submit the work to them using a rather permissive license and use GPL for the software they distribute. |
| 23:46.37 | Sefam | Anyway, I'l work on anything now, I just need experience. |
| 23:46.46 | Sefam | Even if it gets stolen and so whatnot. |
| 23:46.53 | dfighter | stolen? |
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| 23:47.23 | Sefam | dfighter: You just said earlier that some FOSS weren't under license, and they could just deny any contributions I make |
| 23:47.24 | Sefam | :| |
| 23:47.46 | Sefam | As in |
| 23:47.49 | Sefam | they implement it |
| 23:47.51 | Sefam | then deny I made it |
| 23:48.00 | dfighter | but why would they do that? |
| 23:48.04 | adam_vollrath | I don't think that's what he meant by "deny" |
| 23:48.21 | dfighter | I didn't even use the word "deny" |
| 23:48.23 | dfighter | you did |
| 23:48.24 | dfighter | :D |
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| 23:49.00 | Sefam | My bad |
| 23:49.04 | Sefam | Then re-explain this one to me |
| 23:49.12 | Sefam | FOSS can just steal the code and deny I made it or not? |
| 23:49.22 | dfighter | in theory they could |
| 23:49.26 | dfighter | but why would they? |
| 23:49.28 | dfighter | like |
| 23:49.40 | adam_vollrath | I don't think anyone can. That'd violate your copyright. |
| 23:49.54 | adam_vollrath | You'll be credited in the commit history. |
| 23:49.57 | dfighter | if you submit a patch, a malicious person could take it and use it without giving credits |
| 23:50.00 | dfighter | but why would they? |
| 23:50.05 | desti_T2 | closed source projects can steal your code too, if you send them someting |
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| 23:50.29 | dfighter | I mean it wouldn't make sense |
| 23:50.35 | dfighter | it's contraproductive |
| 23:50.41 | dfighter | then you'd never contribute again |
| 23:51.01 | Michitux | Sefam: btw. many projects use git, and if they include your name in the commit log it will be there forever (or until sha1 has been broken ;) ) |
| 23:51.32 | Sefam | git? |
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| 23:51.49 | hypatia | Sefam: it;s not stealing if you're giving it away, which is the whole idea of FOSS. it's about sharing, not stealing. |
| 23:52.00 | dfighter | it's Communism |
| 23:52.04 | dfighter | without the dictators |
| 23:52.11 | hypatia | and yeah, as Michitux said, not just for git - projects give you credit for the work you do |
| 23:52.19 | hypatia | also you get great software you can use |
| 23:52.20 | hypatia | :D |
| 23:52.28 | dfighter | ^^ |
| 23:52.44 | CrawfordComeaux | can you buy things with the credits projects give you? >.> |
| 23:52.51 | asmeurer | Hi, back with another question about slot allocation |
| 23:52.56 | desti_T2 | it's not communism, it natueral evolution, better ideas will replace worser ideas |
| 23:53.10 | Sefam | Real communism cannot exist. Just saying. |
| 23:53.12 | asmeurer | that link you sent says it is based on mailing list and irc participation |
| 23:53.18 | Triskelios | Michitux: actually out of the SCMs, git is less strict about preserving history unaltered |
| 23:53.35 | asmeurer | are you guys actually following our mailing list and IRC channel? |
| 23:54.05 | hypatia | asmeurer: they may mean this irc channel and the gsoc mailing lists |
| 23:54.31 | asmeurer | that doesn't seem right |
| 23:54.47 | asmeurer | I am referring to #5 from http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations btw |
| 23:54.56 | asmeurer | sorry, #4 |
| 23:54.58 | solardiz | that quote sounded like it referred to the org's irc channel and mailing lists |
| 23:55.40 | hypatia | has a look |
| 23:55.48 | Michitux | Triskelios: but rewriting the history in git breaks pulling for all clones afaik, so you can't do that easily, and as long as you have the current sha1 commit hash you can be quite sure the history hasn't been altered |
| 23:56.06 | hypatia | oh, i see - i'm not sure how closely google folks are tracking that, asmeurer |
| 23:57.15 | solardiz | is there any more specific info on when google allocates slots? sometime between april 8 and april 22 this year, which is the same period while the orgs complete review of student proposals - but i'd prefer to know more specifically. |
| 23:57.43 | hypatia | solardiz: i suspect it would be in that file if it existed :) |
| 23:57.59 | solardiz | i couldn't find that info in that text yesterday |
| 23:58.57 | Triskelios | Michitux: yes, was just pointing out the irony of using git as an example :) |
| 23:59.13 | solardiz | basically, it appears that we need to assign mentors to students we want to accept before some unknown date in April |
| 23:59.32 | solardiz | otherwise we have a higher risk of not getting enough slots |
