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| 00:15.20 | SRabbelier | is writing his very first AppEngine-style MapReduce |
| 00:15.24 | SRabbelier | well, no reduce, just map |
| 00:16.48 | SRabbelier | WOOT WOOT |
| 00:16.49 | SRabbelier | look at it go! |
| 00:16.56 | ojwb | SRabbelier: are scores likely to reppear on the proposal list? |
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| 00:16.58 | SRabbelier | mapping like there's no tomorrow |
| 00:17.07 | SRabbelier | ojwb: yes, actually, I should be able to enable those |
| 00:17.10 | SRabbelier | ojwb: let me verify |
| 00:17.12 | ojwb | oooh! |
| 00:17.27 | ojwb | it's getting impossiblet to keep track with just the info there now |
| 00:17.43 | SRabbelier | ojwb: notifications are due tomorrow |
| 00:17.56 | ojwb | that'll help, though a summary is handy too |
| 00:17.57 | SRabbelier | ojwb: They're almost done, but I had to write a mapreduce first you see |
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| 00:21.53 | SRabbelier | SO PERDY |
| 00:22.13 | SRabbelier | http://awesomescreenshot.com/0edap6k00 |
| 00:22.14 | SRabbelier | look at ieeet |
| 00:22.16 | SRabbelier | look at the perdy |
| 00:23.13 | ojwb | pats |
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| 00:24.47 | SRabbelier | ^^ |
| 00:24.59 | SRabbelier | almost done too |
| 00:29.14 | Talad|Away | its' reading |
| 00:29.16 | Talad|Away | every 10 minutes |
| 00:29.31 | Talad|Away | tomorrow I will tell you when our logo was displayed |
| 00:30.07 | Talad|Away | if anyone wants to know when their logo was displayed they can ask me :) |
| 00:30.26 | ojwb | the log files for the the webserver with the logo on give a pretty good idea... |
| 00:33.40 | Talad|ZzZ | ojwb: I don't have access to that log file |
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| 00:34.10 | ojwb | well, you get to choose where you put the logo |
| 00:34.22 | ojwb | i guess you might have access to no webserver logs though |
| 00:35.29 | ojwb | when I have some time, I'm hoping to see if the front page exposure actually corresponds to increased hits on the org page |
| 00:36.14 | SRabbelier | ojwb: that'd be cute |
| 00:36.51 | ojwb | hard to see if it leads to increased apps, as the lag is longer and variable |
| 00:38.05 | ojwb | gets an ad on nightrose's blog for "New Volkswagen Amarok Ute" |
| 00:38.48 | SRabbelier | ojwb: heh |
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| 00:41.37 | SRabbelier | fiddles a bit with google analytics |
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| 00:44.45 | SRabbelier | Talad|ZzZ: http://awesomescreenshot.com/002ap7l17 |
| 00:44.49 | SRabbelier | ojwb: ^ |
| 00:44.52 | SRabbelier | Behold! |
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| 00:48.58 | slashdot | how to submit proposal |
| 00:49.07 | slashdot | i cant find any place to do that |
| 00:49.09 | slashdot | in the site |
| 00:51.47 | ojwb | slashdot: look on the page for the org you want to submit it to |
| 00:51.49 | sdimkov | slashdot: you have to go to list of orgs. Then select an organisation |
| 00:52.07 | sdimkov | from the specific org's page you'll be able to submit a proposal |
| 00:52.12 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: it would be really neat if there were a way to script that for every org. i know i'm interested |
| 00:52.27 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: but i realize that you don't scale =) |
| 00:53.22 | slashdot | sdimkov |
| 00:53.24 | slashdot | i did |
| 00:53.35 | slashdot | there are links to ideas page |
| 00:53.41 | slashdot | and application template |
| 00:54.01 | slashdot | and Students: Apply! |
| 00:54.32 | ojwb | ... |
| 00:55.38 | slashdot | and a register link |
| 00:55.39 | dberkholz | slashdot: do you think the "Apply!" text might link to a way to submit an application? |
| 00:56.00 | slashdot | no link |
| 00:56.02 | slashdot | just text |
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| 00:56.21 | dberkholz | there should be a button below it |
| 00:56.27 | dberkholz | if not, your javascript is probably broken |
| 00:59.16 | slashdot | no javascript is not broken |
| 00:59.23 | slashdot | tried in differrent browsers |
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| 01:01.52 | ojwb | slashdot: well, many students have managed to submit applications |
| 01:02.01 | ojwb | we can't see your screen, but it's certainly possible |
| 01:02.05 | slashdot | can you check now |
| 01:02.10 | slashdot | if the link is broken? |
| 01:02.16 | ojwb | isn't a student, so can't see it |
| 01:02.50 | ojwb | perhaps if you put a screenshot somewhere? |
| 01:02.52 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: it's google |
| 01:02.54 | bugQ | works for me |
| 01:02.55 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: I'm sure there's an api |
| 01:03.14 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: if you want I can look you up now :) |
| 01:03.29 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: while you're at it ...yes please |
| 01:03.31 | sdimkov | SRabbelier: I spot a rendering bug on GSoC page. Where should I report it? Issues-page of Melange? Or some mailing list? |
| 01:03.36 | slashdot | wait you can participate more than once rite? |
| 01:03.45 | ojwb | right |
| 01:03.47 | SRabbelier | !screenshot |
| 01:03.48 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "screenshot" is Please provide a screenshot illustrating your problem, we recommend http://www.awesomescreenshot.com for easy screenshotting. |
| 01:03.49 | SRabbelier | sdimkov: ^ |
| 01:03.56 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: link to the page you want? |
| 01:03.57 | slashdot | posting 1sec |
| 01:04.00 | sdimkov | I've made already |
| 01:04.07 | ojwb | slashdot: well, you can *apply* more than once |
| 01:04.12 | ojwb | you can only do one of the projects |
| 01:04.51 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/gentoo and http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/xorg please =D |
| 01:05.21 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: as in, the google-melange.com page |
| 01:05.44 | slashdot | http://postimage.org/image/2tmws7w1w/d31f8e9d/ |
| 01:05.53 | slashdot | please take a look at that |
| 01:06.28 | sdimkov | SRabbelier: http://img14.imageshack.us/i/opera11011190gsocwebpag.png/ I'll submit it as an issue in Melange |
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| 01:07.17 | efes | hi folks :) |
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| 01:07.53 | SRabbelier1 | that was odd |
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| 01:08.15 | ojwb | sdimkov: "students: apply! / [ Register ] / with a Google Account to get started" |
| 01:08.25 | SRabbelier1 | dberkholz: did you reply? |
| 01:08.29 | ojwb | perhaps you want to click register... |
| 01:08.33 | slashdot | i did |
| 01:08.38 | ojwb | and? |
| 01:08.41 | slashdot | and submitted |
| 01:08.43 | slashdot | data saved |
| 01:09.12 | dberkholz | 01:04 < dberkholz > SRabbelier: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/gentoo and http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/xorg please =D |
| 01:09.32 | dberkholz | brb, time to brush my daughter's teeth. |
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| 01:10.05 | SRabbelier1 | dberkholz: http://awesomescreenshot.com/0bbap8e81 |
| 01:10.25 | Kevin_Kofler | Hi! I'm trying to register for GSoC (as a student), I always get "Data saved successfully", but nothing else happens, in particular I get asked to register all over again. |
| 01:10.31 | Kevin_Kofler | I tried Konqueror with KHTML, Konqueror with WebKitPart and Firefox, always the same thing. |
| 01:10.40 | slashdot | yes excatly my problem |
| 01:10.45 | SRabbelier1 | dberkholz: http://awesomescreenshot.com/06eap8f09 |
| 01:10.58 | SRabbelier1 | Kevin_Kofler: checking |
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| 01:11.16 | SRabbelier1 | Kevin_Kofler: when you go to the homepage |
| 01:11.36 | SRabbelier1 | Kevin_Kofler: what does it say after "You are logged in as"? |
| 01:11.39 | SRabbelier1 | slashdot: ^ |
| 01:11.43 | slashdot | zerocool1989 |
| 01:11.46 | Kevin_Kofler | You are logged in as kevin.kofler@gmail.com [link_id: kevinkofler]. |
| 01:11.55 | slashdot | yea link_id zerocool1989 |
| 01:12.09 | slashdot | i was a GSOC 2010 student |
| 01:12.30 | efes | How can I obtain list of all the socinfo's commands ? |
| 01:13.39 | SRabbelier1 | ok, I can reproduce the bug |
| 01:13.46 | SRabbelier1 | Kevin_Kofler, slashdot: investigating |
| 01:13.52 | slashdot | cool thanks |
| 01:14.05 | slashdot | i was banging my head for the past one hour |
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| 01:15.41 | Kevin_Kofler | I tried the 3 web engines I have easy access to, and then decided to come here rather than banging my head on the desk. ;-) |
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| 01:17.20 | SRabbelier1 | apologies |
| 01:18.00 | sdimkov | SRabbelier: I entered the bug as Issue 1175 in Melange's tracker |
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| 01:20.08 | SRabbelier1 | got it |
| 01:20.21 | SRabbelier1 | the bug that is |
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| 01:21.25 | slashdot | so how long before i can apply? |
| 01:21.45 | SRabbelier1 | slashdot: working on a fix |
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| 01:27.32 | SRabbelier1 | slashdot, Kevin_Kofler: deploying fix |
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| 01:29.58 | dberkholz | SRabbelier1: awesome, thanks! quite a contrast in traffic between those two... |
| 01:30.23 | SRabbelier1 | dberkholz: yeah, indeed |
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| 01:31.50 | Kevin_Kofler | SRabbelier1: So is it deployed now? |
| 01:32.14 | SRabbelier1 | Kevin_Kofler: yes, should be working |
| 01:32.18 | SRabbelier1 | Kevin_Kofler: just resubmit the form |
| 01:32.26 | Kevin_Kofler | tries⦠|
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| 01:34.48 | slashdot | working thanks SRabbelier1 |
| 01:34.50 | Kevin_Kofler | Looks like this works now, thanks! |
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| 01:35.00 | SRabbelier1 | cool |
| 01:35.03 | SRabbelier1 | thanks |
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| 01:48.30 | beng-nl | SRabbelier1: impressive, quick fix |
| 01:48.40 | SRabbelier1 | beng-nl: thanks |
| 01:48.53 | thebolt | morning |
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| 01:52.48 | SRabbelier | is off to bed |
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| 01:53.39 | davidmortimer | Hello all |
| 01:54.54 | davidmortimer | Just a little confused with the application process |
| 01:55.47 | davidmortimer | With the "project" proposal, can the project be anything of my choice, or does it have to relate to the organisation I'm applying to? |
| 01:56.11 | ojwb | if it doesn't relate, there's essentially no chance they'll accept it |
| 01:56.35 | ojwb | but you can propose based on your own idea instead of one on their list |
| 01:56.43 | davidmortimer | cool, I understand |
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| 01:57.01 | davidmortimer | How can Is there a list of what projects Mozilla want? |
| 01:57.01 | ojwb | it doesn't really work to (a) think of idea (b) find org(s) to sell it to |
| 01:57.09 | davidmortimer | Is there * |
| 01:57.21 | ojwb | probably - there should be a link on their org page |
| 01:57.40 | cjosephs1n | @lu_zero |
| 01:57.44 | cjosephs1n | are you in here? |
| 01:58.26 | davidmortimer | Ahh, I understand now ojwb |
| 01:58.42 | davidmortimer | Just to be clear, these are the things Mozilla would like students to propose? https://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode11 |
| 01:59.20 | ojwb | well, it depends on the org |
| 01:59.30 | ojwb | some have more of a shopping list of stuff they want worked on |
| 01:59.42 | ojwb | some just have some suggestions that might interest students |
| 01:59.55 | davidmortimer | Cool ok |
| 01:59.55 | davidmortimer | Thanks |
| 02:00.03 | davidmortimer | I'll have a detailed look tomorrow |
| 02:00.08 | davidmortimer | Gotta get to bed |
| 02:00.10 | davidmortimer | Cheers! |
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| 03:17.56 | CalebK | Hello, GSOC. |
| 03:18.17 | tensa_zangetsu | !gsoc |
| 03:18.18 | socinfo | tensa_zangetsu: "gsoc" is Google Summer of Code, not Generic Savoir-faire on Open-source Conundrums |
| 03:18.26 | tensa_zangetsu | !wisdom |
| 03:18.27 | socinfo | tensa_zangetsu: "wisdom" is Sorry, drinks are like melange. You get what you get, and if you want something else, you help out :) |
| 03:19.52 | ojwb | that's not my experience in most of the bars I've been to |
| 03:21.02 | thebolt | true |
| 03:21.15 | ojwb | in fact it's the worst analogy I think I've heard in some time |
| 03:21.21 | thebolt | and a few times i have been told they cannot give me what i want.. |
| 03:21.43 | ojwb | "sorry, we're out of XXX" 'ok, let me help behind the bar' |
| 03:21.47 | ojwb | yes, I can see that working |
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| 03:23.33 | CalebK | So can someone tell me a little about this google summer of code? |
| 03:23.46 | wtachi | !faq |
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| 03:23.48 | socinfo | wtachi: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 03:23.55 | wtachi | CalebK: try that |
| 03:24.02 | CalebK | Checking it out now, thx. |
| 03:25.07 | CalebK | Ahh yes, Google is amazing. |
| 03:25.52 | CalebK | There is a hole in my soul that won't be filled unless I can use my skills. |
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| 03:35.31 | CalebK | I need help in determining if my project idea fits in the "game theory" category. |
| 03:35.59 | ojwb | CalebK: as the org concerned |
| 03:36.10 | ojwb | *ask* the org |
| 03:36.23 | CalebK | Excellent idea, thank goodness for you. |
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| 03:39.49 | CalebK | Hmm, it is my understanding that would-be participants are encouraged to submit their own project ideas, is this correct? |
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| 03:42.31 | ojwb | CalebK: depends on the org, but many encourage that |
| 03:42.39 | ojwb | but it needs to be relevant |
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| 03:42.50 | ojwb | looking at what they do and having an idea may work |
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| 03:43.08 | ojwb | having an idea and trying to shop it around to any org which seems vaguely relevant doesn't |
| 03:43.23 | CalebK | I agree. |
| 03:43.29 | CalebK | I was just going to say something along those lines. |
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| 03:44.15 | CalebK | Interestingly I do think it may fit quite well with this org., but they have other things in mind. The project sounds absolutely wonderful and a great opportunity still. |
| 03:44.40 | CalebK | "the project" being the list of ideas they have listed, and my choice. |
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| 04:43.24 | chinthaka | what is the link to apply for GSoC.http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2011 I have logged in there. but where is the application submitting link |
| 04:43.34 | chinthaka | can anyone help me? |
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| 04:48.11 | ojwb | chinthaka: go to the page for the org you want t submit to |
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| 04:55.42 | chinthaka | <ojwb> I can find only a application template there. but there is not a link to submit the application? |
| 04:56.20 | ojwb | i think it's below the template |
| 04:56.26 | ojwb | can't see the student view though |
| 04:56.46 | ojwb | you need to register as a student first |
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| 05:23.34 | ni8mare | How long should I wait for the reply after mailing to the mentors about project ideas ? |
| 05:23.56 | ojwb | ni8mare: depends a lot on the org |
| 05:24.11 | ni8mare | ok |
| 05:24.17 | ojwb | a lot of mentors have jobs, and they may be in a different timezone to you |
| 05:24.19 | ni8mare | thank you |
| 05:24.48 | ojwb | you'll likely need to wait a day or two, but it could be more |
| 05:25.17 | ni8mare | ok |
| 05:25.37 | liuw | ni8mare: they are responsive in weekdays, but not that responsive on weekend -- everybody needs a day or two off the job. |
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| 05:26.18 | ni8mare | ok |
| 05:26.35 | ojwb | liuw: might be the other way round for some |
| 05:27.04 | liuw | ojwb: right. LOL |
| 05:27.37 | ojwb | for some mentors, the open source work is connected to their job |
| 05:27.41 | ojwb | but for many it's a hobby |
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| 05:29.41 | liuw | You're right, I happen to choose a open source project. No wonder mentors are responsive in weekdays. |
| 05:33.32 | kblin | morning |
| 05:34.26 | thebolt | hi kblin |
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| 05:37.10 | AbhinavthePrince | how to use this? |
| 05:37.28 | samiran | hi i want help writing project schedules, can someone show me examples else than in booki.cc |
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| 05:38.48 | AbhinavthePrince | Just Java & basics of J2ME, which project will best suit me, plz help.. |
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| 05:39.45 | ojwb | !orgsbylang |
| 05:39.46 | socinfo | ojwb: "orgsbylang" is Use the filter on http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 to filter orgs by any tag you like. |
| 05:39.51 | ojwb | AbhinavthePrince: ^^ |
| 05:40.12 | ojwb | add a comma after java or else it'll match javascript too... |
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| 05:47.11 | xdxn_ | Hello everyone! Is it necessary to edit role in the new GSoC website. I can not see role item. |
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| 05:57.03 | Myth17 | xdxn_, I think when you apply as a student or mentor that sets your role. :) |
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| 06:01.57 | AbhinavthePrince | can anybody help me on openintents? |
| 06:03.59 | xdxn_ | Myth17: where can i find this in the website? |
| 06:04.48 | Myth17 | xdxn_, after you login, you see "students: apply now!" with an Apply button beneath |
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| 06:23.31 | xdxn_ | Myth17: Yes i can see that link. In fact, i have submitted my proposal, but did not receive any response yet.I am not very sure if i have submitted correctly. |
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| 06:24.18 | ojwb | xdxn_: be patient, if it's listed on your dashboard, it's submitted |
| 06:24.22 | Myth17 | xdxn_, yup, even I havent but lyubomir did tell me on IRC that mentors are reviewing applications. So rest assured! :) |
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| 06:29.40 | kblin | I'm not sure if notifications work already |
| 06:30.05 | kblin | so it might take a while for the mentors to log into their account and check for new apps |
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| 06:59.54 | Nightrose | ojwb: lol |
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| 07:17.36 | kblin | SRabbelier: is there any order to the submitted proposals list? |
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| 07:23.48 | ojwb | kblin: it's by linkid I think |
| 07:23.56 | kblin | ah |
| 07:23.56 | ojwb | well, by default |
| 07:24.02 | kblin | yeah |
| 07:24.07 | ojwb | you can sort by title, or by org |
| 07:24.29 | ojwb | it suffers from the "leading whitespace" issue too I noticed |
| 07:24.33 | kblin | I was just wondering why all except one WF proposals were showing up before the samba proposals |
| 07:25.04 | Myth17 | ojwb, Any idea how can I read the public proposals submitted so far to an organisation? |
| 07:25.16 | ojwb | Myth17: I don't think you can |
| 07:25.44 | |Kev| | I'm starting to get quite worried about our proposal list :/ |
| 07:25.47 | Myth17 | when we submit an application, there is a "make it public" option. whats it for? :| |
| 07:25.53 | kblin | but link_id makes sense |
| 07:25.54 | |Kev| | For giving out the link |
| 07:26.13 | |Kev| | If you share the link to a public proposal with someone, they can read it. They're not searchable. |
| 07:26.31 | Myth17 | hmmm |
| 07:26.42 | kblin | |Kev|: how many applications did you get last year? |
| 07:26.51 | ojwb | though if you know somebody's linkid, it's not hard to guess the URLs for their proposals |
| 07:27.01 | |Kev| | kblin: Excellent question. Is that exposed yet? |
| 07:27.14 | |Kev| | I thought it was 30 or so, offhand. |
| 07:27.25 | Myth17 | ojwb, ;) |
| 07:27.31 | kblin | |Kev|: as of yesterday, both my orgs and kde had about 1/6th of the proposals we got last year |
| 07:27.42 | |Kev| | That's about the same as us, then. |
| 07:27.54 | kblin | just that for KDE that meant ~60, and for my orgs that meant 1-3 |
| 07:28.03 | thebolt | i wonder why.. |
| 07:28.04 | ojwb | |Kev|: you might be able to find it at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/home/google/gsoc2010 |
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| 07:28.19 | ojwb | it's not integrated into this years site directly that I can see |
| 07:28.24 | kblin | thebolt: there's still a week left |
| 07:28.31 | |Kev| | ojwb: Oh, thanks. |
| 07:28.56 | thebolt | kblin: okay.. but still, if the general view is fewer applications it might mean something.. |
| 07:29.00 | kblin | if we wait a little, I expect dberkholz publish a graph with applications over time for last year |
| 07:29.21 | kblin | thebolt: I'm not convinced it's less applications overall |
| 07:29.22 | |Kev| | ojwb: Only accepted projects there, sadly. |
| 07:30.07 | |Kev| | kblin: You mean that you think some orgs will have more apps than usual, or that we misremember how early we got apps last year. |
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| 07:30.41 | ojwb | remembers that there's often a "we don't have enough applications" fret on the mentors list |
| 07:30.48 | ojwb | and then come the deadline, in they roll |
| 07:30.49 | kblin | yeah |
| 07:30.58 | ojwb | it seems uneven this year though |
| 07:31.25 | kblin | |Kev|: I have _spoken_ to more students this year |
| 07:31.31 | kblin | they just haven't applied yet |
| 07:31.32 | |Kev| | Yes, same. |
| 07:31.40 | kblin | I expect they will, eventually |
| 07:31.54 | |Kev| | Some of mine won't, because I've suggested they don't.\ |
| 07:32.20 | |Kev| | And I suspect others will have been put off when they tried to do the teaser tasks and discovered they don't know how to code at that level. |
| 07:33.35 | |Kev| | It did occur to me that the published slot allocation method of 'mostly based on number of applications you get' could potentially work very much against us this year, as we've been trying methods to encourage higher-quality applications, and this could result in us having far fewer slots than when we didn't. Oh well. |
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| 07:34.08 | Nightrose | |Kev|: i've been told that is taken into account |
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| 07:34.16 | Nightrose | stuff like requiering a patch |
| 07:34.17 | ojwb | |Kev|: apparently that's not a big factor really |
| 07:34.37 | |Kev| | Ah, ok, I was just going off the published 'this is the main factor' :) |
| 07:34.39 | ojwb | google realise that they don't want to encourage orgs to structure things to just maximise applications |
| 07:35.09 | ojwb | i feel that document could do with an update... |
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| 07:36.05 | Nightrose | [09:31:54] <|Kev|> Some of mine won't, because I've suggested they don't.\ <- that's the reason for those? |
| 07:36.15 | Nightrose | not up to the task yet? |
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| 07:36.36 | |Kev| | I had a student who took four days to be able to get the code to compile, with a great deal of help. |
| 07:36.44 | Nightrose | ah |
| 07:36.56 | |Kev| | Understand that Swift is not KDE. |
| 07:37.01 | Nightrose | sure |
| 07:37.03 | |Kev| | You need to type './scons' and it compiles :) |
| 07:37.05 | ojwb | SinK! |
| 07:37.41 | ojwb | so he averaged 2 characters per day? |
| 07:38.04 | Nightrose | |Kev|: though there is a build script that might make it equally easy for kde ;-) |
| 07:38.08 | Nightrose | have never tried it though |
| 07:38.09 | |Kev| | So yeah, he was putting a lot of time and effort in, and I felt bad about thinking he'd waste the next several weeks trying to write a patch when he wouldn't be accepted. |
| 07:38.23 | Nightrose | yeah |
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| 07:40.59 | |Kev| | I feel like the teaser tasks have been great for getting the more suitable students enthusiastic, for working out what it's like to work with them, and for letting them see if it's within their grasp, but they're *unspeakably* time-consuming. |
| 07:41.24 | |Kev| | Largely because I'm too soft and have been giving help to students who will ultimately not get anywhere. |
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| 07:49.06 | mohwaqas12 | Hey all |
| 07:49.14 | |Kev| | Hello. |
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| 07:50.26 | |Kev| | Don't PM people uninvited, please. |
| 07:50.38 | mohwaqas12 | oaky |
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| 07:55.05 | nishmu | While replying to a mailing list thread, does the mailing list address appear in "To" field or in "CC" field? So as not to create a new thread but instead, reply to a thread. |
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| 07:55.30 | |Kev| | It should make no difference. |
| 07:55.44 | |Kev| | It should be threading on the message id. |
| 07:56.23 | nishmu | I did not get about message id? |
| 07:57.04 | nishmu | |Kev|: You mean the thread title? |
| 07:57.11 | |Kev| | I do not. |
| 07:57.21 | |Kev| | Although that could be used too. |
| 07:58.07 | ojwb | nishmu: most mail clients thread on the in-reply-to: and/or references: headers |
| 07:58.07 | |Kev| | Look at the headers. |
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| 07:59.59 | nishmu | Got it, so basically, since I am using gmail I should just reply by just clicking "reply all", the headers are automatically taken care of by gmail. Isnt it? |
| 08:00.31 | ojwb | should be |
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| 08:51.54 | zhangbei | \help |
| 08:52.28 | apurvtwr | !help |
| 08:52.30 | socinfo | apurvtwr: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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| 08:52.52 | apurvtwr | zhangbei: ^^ |
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| 08:59.01 | akashm1990 | Which command is used for messages like there : * ojwb remembers that there's often a "we don't have enough applications" fret on the mentors list |
| 08:59.56 | beng-nl | akashm1990: /me typically |
| 09:00.10 | akashm1990 | test |
| 09:00.15 | akashm1990 | thanks, works |
| 09:00.32 | beng-nl | use your power wisely ;) |
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| 09:30.19 | DJWillis | Daft question (I hope), is there an easy way to drop/hide spam proposals from an org? I can't seem to find a suitable option in the new melange. |
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| 09:32.25 | kblin | DJWillis: not currently, I think |
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| 09:35.06 | DJWillis | kblin: well at least it is not going mad ;) |
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| 09:37.09 | ojwb | DJWillis: we're just scoring them as one, in the hope that we'll get the score shown in the list soon |
| 09:37.19 | ojwb | "as 1" that is |
| 09:37.37 | kblin | DJWillis: hard to tell from here, but if you based the hypothesis of going solely on not seeing an easy way to delete spam proposals, there might be more parameters in there ;) |
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| 09:38.17 | kblin | don't have any spam applications in melange yet, fortunately. (yay! and no, don't want any) |
| 09:38.32 | kblin | just got one via email |
| 09:39.04 | kblin | hello, I want to work on <title of proposal>, please tell me what to do. |
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| 09:39.27 | DJWillis | ojwb: seems like a good plan, we shall do that, I won't grumble about emails not seeming to work and no way to look back over old years data as I know the malange team are hard at work... ;) |
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| 09:39.56 | kblin | notifications hopefully are being pushed soon |
| 09:40.10 | DJWillis | kblin: hmmm, I would say that is lame but it may not really be spam, try a de-troll response and see what you get back, you may be supprised. |
| 09:40.53 | kblin | DJWillis: well, there's more information on the wiki where that ideas is from, I'm a bit disappointed at them not looking at that |
| 09:41.07 | kblin | but yes, I'll work on it |
| 09:41.45 | kblin | I'm currently compiling another wiki page of the most common things I told people about the project idea I offered to mentor |
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| 09:42.29 | DJWillis | kblin: I would agree, we get a few like that (lots on the wiki but no desire to read a word), but I try and take a kindly view first then if it is a waste of time just give up on it ;). |
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| 09:43.45 | kblin | DJWillis: I'm a bit jaded because I just spent like two days to help a student to install our stuff, and realizing that all of the problems he was running into were caused by him not following the detailed install instructions |
| 09:44.00 | kblin | a bit unfair to let it out on this student, though |
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| 09:45.28 | DJWillis | kblin: I had one just like that, a day or 2 spent helping on IRC to realise they had no idea how to read a HOWTO, it tends to make it hard to view them as the good GSoC type at that point (IMHO) |
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| 09:47.34 | Ivanovic | DJWillis, kblin: the reason why i tend to start things by pointing to the correct docs for getting it to work |
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| 09:48.25 | DJWillis | Ivanovic: very true, if at that point however you spend two days gettting odd questions before you realise they had not read it that is not so good ;) |
| 09:48.41 | Ivanovic | if the student then shows that they are not able to follow the step by step guide (meaning: having exactly the probs described there including the solution for their system!) the students are really not suited to be accepted into gsoc |
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| 09:53.10 | mpounta | hello, if i submit my proposal can i later modify it? |
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| 10:40.59 | mayanks43 | !timeline |
| 10:41.00 | socinfo | mayanks43: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 10:49.52 | akashm1990 | If I withdraw a proposal, is it deleted from my dashboard, or can I still see it and reinstate if I want to? |
| 10:50.10 | mayanks43 | ask on melange |
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| 10:51.40 | SRabbelier | akashm1990: the latter |
| 10:52.06 | akashm1990 | SRabbelier, thx |
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| 11:04.21 | Who | hello |
| 11:05.59 | ojwb | sighs |
| 11:06.05 | ojwb | is melange being slow for anyone else? |
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| 11:06.22 | ojwb | trying to comment on proposals and submitting just sits there loading |
| 11:09.49 | SRabbelier | checks |
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| 11:10.10 | SRabbelier | ojwb: average latency is 856ms across 18 instances |
| 11:10.14 | ojwb | hmm |
| 11:10.39 | beng-nl | average eh |
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| 11:10.39 | SRabbelier | ojwb: slowest one is at 1951.5 ms |
| 11:10.56 | beng-nl | unsays last line |
| 11:11.00 | ojwb | i left it for ages |
| 11:11.11 | ojwb | I guess the problem is somewhere between here and there |
| 11:11.24 | Who | umm guys which is the best place to get advice on your proposal ? |
| 11:11.45 | beng-nl | Who: the mentoring organisation |
| 11:12.08 | beng-nl | well, it depends on what you want advice with, but usually the mentoring organisation |
| 11:12.15 | ojwb | SRabbelier: hmm, on socghop.appspot.com it works right away |
| 11:12.30 | Who | can you guys give advice, if you have sometime to see my proposal ? |
| 11:12.31 | SRabbelier | ojwb: don't know what is up with that, the google-melange.com is a bit more iffy at times it seems |
| 11:12.41 | SRabbelier | ojwb: could be that you're hitting another server through socghop though |
| 11:12.52 | SRabbelier | ojwb: the one with 114.5 ms latency perhaps ;) |
| 11:13.07 | ojwb | Who: possibly, but a lot of the details of what the org look for vary |
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| 11:13.16 | SRabbelier | !anyone |
| 11:13.17 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 11:13.20 | SRabbelier | Who: ^ |
| 11:13.21 | SRabbelier | that too |
| 11:13.25 | ojwb | SRabbelier: well, I was waiting 10s of seconds with google-melange |
| 11:13.36 | ojwb | I had an issue before where socghop was better |
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| 11:14.40 | Who | SRabbelier: i got everything done, i even did few junior job for the specific project, i am active in there channel & mailing list , i even posted on google melange so i can get some early comments |
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| 11:14.58 | ojwb | early comments were last week... |
| 11:15.17 | Who | ojwb: well i posted on last friday |
| 11:16.15 | Who | but what i want is , some more inputs so i can improve my proposal even more, i just want to give my best so i don't have any regrets later on |
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| 11:16.35 | ojwb | but we don't know what your org look for... |
| 11:16.44 | akashm1990 | Who, pester them on their irc |
| 11:16.52 | akashm1990 | and mailing lists |
| 11:16.55 | ojwb | s/pester/ask politely/ |
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| 11:17.14 | Who | already did :D, well my mentor takes weekend off so i guess i will see him tomorrow |
| 11:17.43 | rohit_nsit08 | hello, i have a doubt about submitting my proposal on gsoc site. |
| 11:17.57 | rohit_nsit08 | i pasted my proposal from a text file on my system |
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| 11:18.18 | rohit_nsit08 | and after submitting , all the indentation disappeared |
| 11:18.28 | rohit_nsit08 | and background is black and text white |
| 11:18.35 | mayanks43 | better use an html editor and copy paste html |
| 11:18.39 | rohit_nsit08 | everything is jumbled |
| 11:18.54 | rohit_nsit08 | mayanks43 : hmm. let me try |
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| 11:20.36 | nitish | rohit_nsit08, i faced similar problems, my mentors told me not to bother much with formatting. |
| 11:21.11 | rohit_nsit08 | nitish: but it looks like everything is written in one line, and white text on black background |
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| 11:21.29 | ojwb | I'd bother a little... |
| 11:21.52 | mayanks43 | either use the editor on the site or one of your own |
| 11:21.58 | ojwb | content matters most, but if it's unreadable... |
| 11:22.06 | AlexP | I know it sounds a bit unfair, but I'm always going to spend more time on proposals that make it easy for me to read |
| 11:22.08 | nitish | rohit_nsit08, hmm....thats different then, i copied everything from .odt docuMent and formatting got all messed up. |
| 11:22.13 | rohit_nsit08 | mayanks43 : ya trying it in my html editor |
| 11:22.34 | mayanks43 | don't copy paste from word |
| 11:22.40 | mayanks43 | that messes up |
| 11:22.41 | rohit_nsit08 | nitish: .odt problem is possible |
| 11:23.06 | rohit_nsit08 | ya, got it, now trying it with html editor. |
| 11:23.08 | mayanks43 | plus lot of html is generated |
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| 11:26.55 | rohit_nsit08 | thanks, got it solved. |
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| 11:27.12 | rohit_nsit08 | indentation requires html editor |
| 11:27.17 | mayanks43 | ;) |
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| 11:29.55 | greeniekin | I was wondering what the minimum average of students for a organisation has been in the past and is likely to be this year? I know this is a strange and you may not be able to answer it. |
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| 11:32.59 | mayanks43 | umbrella orgs- >25 small orgs- 3-4 others- in between |
| 11:33.33 | nitish | greeniekin, max equal to the number of proposals I think |
| 11:34.36 | greeniekin | nitish, probably max equal to the number of people that make proposals. i made 2 so they can't pick me twice |
| 11:35.04 | mayanks43 | but that is never the case |
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| 11:35.24 | nitish | nope greeniekin they usually take one guy for a proposal |
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| 11:36.35 | greeniekin | nitish, well thats what i mean. 5 proposals could be a moximum of 2 people. it those 5 proposals are only from 2 people |
| 11:37.43 | nitish | greeniekin, there are certain proposals which an organisation themselves decide and put up on their website, and they take a student each to complete all of them. |
| 11:38.44 | greeniekin | nitish, though you can make proposals not only from that list and still get accepted |
| 11:39.07 | mayanks43 | if they are appealing enough :) |
| 11:39.40 | greeniekin | yes |
| 11:40.21 | greeniekin | so the max number of participants for any org is the number of people that make proposals. not the number of proposals themselves |
| 11:41.17 | mayanks43 | yes |
| 11:41.54 | greeniekin | i think we were saying the same thing from the start and misunderstanding each other lol. |
| 11:41.55 | mayanks43 | but it never is the case that they select that maximum number of participants |
| 11:42.07 | greeniekin | i figured that |
| 11:42.13 | Who | hmm how to increase your chance to get selected for GSOC ? |
| 11:42.29 | mayanks43 | Who read Do's and Dont's |
| 11:42.57 | Who | but that largely applies after you get selected |
| 11:43.17 | mayanks43 | simple logic - Do what the org asks you ;) |
| 11:45.18 | mayanks43 | plus write awesome and very detailed proposal |
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| 11:46.37 | SRabbelier | Here we go again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-JJuHpfN5g |
| 11:46.43 | SRabbelier | Buckle your seatbelt Dorothy, 'cause Kansas is going bye-bye! |
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| 11:49.04 | kblin | man, I hate webdesign |
| 11:49.06 | kblin | :/ |
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| 11:50.58 | Zenglu | claunia |
| 11:51.27 | ojwb | greeniekin: in past years, all orgs got at least two slots if they wanted them, though some orgs have taken one apparently |
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| 11:52.16 | ojwb | greeniekin: i guess it'll be the same again, though there are more small orgs this year, so possibly that might change |
| 11:53.30 | ojwb | Who: a good way to improve your chances is to find a small issue in the org's tracker, and submit a patch |
| 11:53.52 | ojwb | it shows the org you've managed to check out and build the code, and find your way around it |
| 11:54.03 | greeniekin | ojwb, I have submitted 2 patches so far. though not for 2 months |
| 11:54.06 | Who | ojwb: does doing junior jobs for that particular project help ? |
| 11:54.27 | ojwb | we don't have a huge amount to go on, so students who show they can work things out is a big plus |
| 11:54.37 | Who | then i have a good chance , in 3 weeks i have submitted around 8 patches :D |
| 11:54.40 | ojwb | not sure what a junior job is? |
| 11:54.50 | ojwb | I'd imagine so then |
| 11:55.20 | mayanks43 | Who you have a good chance |
| 11:57.59 | Who | mayanks43: thanks but this time the project i selected has very tough comptition, i have heard around 5-6 people have applied for it |
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| 11:58.20 | mayanks43 | competition will always be there |
| 11:58.20 | greeniekin | Who, my org has about 10+ |
| 11:58.42 | mayanks43 | you have to prove you are the best ;) with your app |
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| 12:00.20 | mayanks43 | Who it's good to keep another application as a backup |
| 12:00.45 | mayanks43 | though you can't be sure if you'll be selected there as well |
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| 12:01.10 | greeniekin | i'm thinking of makeing a 3rd application for another org lol |
| 12:01.48 | akashm1990 | while(!endofapplicationperiod()){ make application; submit application;} |
| 12:01.48 | mayanks43 | no problems there, but see to it that its a quality application |
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| 12:02.24 | mayanks43 | lol @ akashm1990 |
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| 12:29.18 | gevaerts | ojwb: in my defense, I didn't tell socinfo about that !wisdom factoid, and the analogy made perfect sense in the context I used it in! |
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| 12:45.57 | Mo3 | Hi there! |
| 12:46.20 | Mo3 | Anyone there? Got a question |
| 12:46.49 | gevaerts | !ask |
| 12:46.51 | socinfo | gevaerts: "ask" is Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 12:47.59 | Mo3 | Alright :) I'm supposed to propose a project, obviously |
| 12:48.10 | Mo3 | What project? An idea of mine? |
| 12:48.28 | Mo3 | Or an addition to an already existing open source project? |
| 12:48.47 | scgtrp | a proposal for writing code for one of the existing projects in the list |
| 12:49.06 | brik | have you had a look at the organisations and their suggested projects? |
| 12:49.07 | scgtrp | they have some ideas on their pages, or you can come up with your own |
| 12:49.23 | dberkholz | kblin: i'll have to get the numbers first =) |
| 12:49.32 | Mo3 | Yep I've seen the organizations list |
| 12:49.41 | Mo3 | Not the projects though |
| 12:49.44 | Mo3 | Lemme have another look |
| 12:49.57 | scgtrp | click a project, there should be a link to their ideas page |
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| 12:50.58 | Mo3 | Ah, got it I think |
| 12:51.16 | Mo3 | Thanks! |
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| 12:51.57 | gevaerts | You can propose your own idea, but it's a good idea to briefly discuss it with the organisation first before you spend a lot of time on it |
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| 12:52.53 | ojwb | in particular, having an idea, then trying to find an org that will take it isn't likely to work |
| 12:52.59 | Mo3 | Any idea to improve the existing project? |
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| 12:53.47 | ojwb | you can certainly suggest variations on ideas on the list |
| 12:54.01 | ojwb | depends on the org what they're after of course |
| 12:54.32 | Mo3 | I see |
| 12:54.38 | ojwb | but the list is usually more suggestions of interesting areas than a shopping list of features for students to work on |
| 12:54.51 | Mo3 | Ah just one more question |
| 12:55.09 | Mo3 | I'm from Germany and attending "high school" - can I participate in gsoc? |
| 12:55.25 | ojwb | !eligibility |
| 12:55.26 | socinfo | ojwb: "eligibility" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 12:55.34 | ojwb | Mo3: follow the flowchart^ |
| 12:55.50 | Mo3 | Thanks! := |
| 12:55.52 | Mo3 | :)* |
| 12:56.02 | ojwb | if you're < 18, then no |
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| 12:56.21 | gevaerts | It can be useful to tell us the German term too to help avoid confusion :) |
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| 12:56.46 | ojwb | gymnasium, I suspect |
| 12:56.49 | Mo3 | Yes. |
| 12:56.50 | ojwb | or something like that |
| 12:56.59 | Mo3 | I'm 17, crap. |
| 12:57.06 | Mo3 | Gotta wait another year D: |
| 12:57.22 | ojwb | Mo3: you can get involved in an org still, just not through GSoC |
| 12:57.40 | ojwb | there's also GCI, which hopefully google will run again near the end of the year |
| 12:57.42 | ojwb | !gci |
| 12:57.43 | socinfo | ojwb: "gci" is gci is Google Code-in: A contest for 13-18 year olds. See http://code.google.com/gci |
| 12:58.51 | Mo3 | Awesome! |
| 13:00.05 | kblin | dberkholz: excuses, excuses |
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| 13:02.40 | SRabbelier | Well what do you know |
| 13:02.41 | SRabbelier | http://awesomescreenshot.com/040apx043 |
| 13:02.44 | SRabbelier | Talad: you're up man |
| 13:02.49 | SRabbelier | Talad: quit y'r whining |
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| 13:04.02 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: that screenshot is clearly fake! :) |
| 13:04.12 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2011 |
| 13:04.15 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: quick! |
| 13:04.23 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: look fer yerself! :D |
| 13:04.29 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: yes, but you hacked my web browser! |
| 13:04.43 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: I plead the fifth |
| 13:04.51 | thiago | video card crash |
| 13:05.01 | SRabbelier | thiago: eh? |
| 13:05.47 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: I can prove it! You sent it some html that was specially crafted to show that logo! |
| 13:06.15 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: I deny everything |
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| 13:06.38 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: you mean the logo *isn't* shown? |
| 13:06.46 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: I didn't do it |
| 13:07.12 | gevaerts | :) |
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| 13:08.30 | Talad | SRabbelier: ah , cool! |
| 13:08.31 | Talad | finally |
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| 13:09.05 | gevaerts | Talad: now check your script output to see if it was the first time :) |
| 13:09.07 | SRabbelier | Talad: believe us now?! :P |
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| 13:09.23 | SRabbelier | Talad: with your 90% sure it's wrong! |
| 13:09.30 | SRabbelier | pfshaw |
| 13:10.51 | Talad | well, there is always a 10% |
| 13:11.04 | Talad | my program is running anyway, so I will check if there are any duplicates :) |
| 13:11.57 | Talad | believing is nice, testing is better! |
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| 13:12.37 | kblin | whee, WF is up, too |
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| 13:13.37 | ojwb | top tip, don't submit your application with all the text in "x-small" |
| 13:13.46 | gevaerts | claims that the gsoc may not always appear on the melange site. He hasn't seen this happen, but that doesn't prove it won't, so he still wants SRabbelier to fix it! ;) |
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| 13:14.13 | SRabbelier | ojwb: why not? :( |
| 13:14.22 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: *peers* |
| 13:14.28 | ojwb | SRabbelier: because I need new glasses |
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| 13:17.46 | SRabbelier | ojwb: not our problem surely ;) |
| 13:18.52 | ojwb | SRabbelier: might be due to some interaction with tinymce I guess, but I wasn't trying to suggest it was |
| 13:19.18 | ojwb | oh, the need for glasses isn't your problem? |
| 13:19.29 | ojwb | well, it could be if you're crossing the road when I drive past |
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| 13:22.26 | SRabbelier | ojwb: right :) |
| 13:22.45 | SRabbelier | ojwb: deploying score/student name now |
| 13:23.01 | gevaerts | ojwb: but SRabbelier knows where you live, so he can at least try to avoid you :) |
| 13:23.13 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: excellent point |
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| 13:24.17 | SRabbelier | ojwb: live |
| 13:24.43 | gevaerts | Oooh, Shiny! |
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| 13:26.47 | dberkholz | looks |
| 13:27.14 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: can we get the "star" score too, not just the cumulative total? |
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| 13:30.11 | ojwb | SRabbelier: great timing, I'm just reviewing the last proposal |
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| 13:30.22 | ojwb | but thanks, it'll be really useful for the next round |
| 13:30.31 | dberkholz | it's kind of a confusing UI experience now, where we're shown the average star score on the proposal page but the cumulative total on the summary |
| 13:30.40 | ojwb | hmm |
| 13:30.46 | ojwb | yes, the average is a lot more useful |
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| 13:36.58 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: you mean the average? |
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| 13:37.10 | SRabbelier | sure, I can do that |
| 13:37.19 | SRabbelier | I'll have to run another mapreduce to do it though :P |
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| 13:37.47 | SRabbelier | notifications first :) |
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| 13:38.14 | ojwb | SRabbelier: it'd be nice not to round the average to an integer too I feel |
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| 13:38.28 | SRabbelier | ojwb: isn't it rounded to halves? |
| 13:38.43 | ojwb | not IME |
| 13:38.53 | ojwb | tries to find an example |
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| 13:39.29 | ojwb | "9/11 out of 2 users, total: 19" |
| 13:39.39 | ojwb | and shows 9 stars |
| 13:39.58 | SRabbelier | nods |
| 13:39.58 | SRabbelier | okay |
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| 13:41.24 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: awesome. no huge rush, as long as it's quick. =P |
| 13:41.31 | SRabbelier | stabs dberkholz |
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| 13:45.01 | Nightrose | nooooooooooo! |
| 13:45.08 | Nightrose | we still need him for the stats! |
| 13:45.22 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: oh, good point |
| 13:45.32 | SRabbelier | waits until after dberkholz finishes the stats |
| 13:45.36 | Nightrose | lol |
| 13:45.40 | SRabbelier | it's like an outstanding slap bet |
| 13:45.50 | SRabbelier | should make a countdown |
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| 13:52.25 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: if you haven't put together those numbers yet, student country might also be interesting |
| 13:52.48 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: that's not always public data though |
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| 13:54.20 | ojwb | SRabbelier: should the members of my orgs list have an org for everyone? |
| 13:54.31 | SRabbelier | ojwb: yes |
| 13:54.39 | SRabbelier | !screenshot |
| 13:54.41 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "screenshot" is Please provide a screenshot illustrating your problem, we recommend http://www.awesomescreenshot.com for easy screenshotting. |
| 13:54.47 | SRabbelier | ojwb: send it in private though please |
| 13:54.56 | SRabbelier | ojwb: since it contains private data and whatnot |
| 13:54.59 | ojwb | SRabbelier: of course |
| 13:55.05 | SRabbelier | ^__^ |
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| 13:56.00 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: fair enough. wasn't sure about that |
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| 14:01.16 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: I can give it anonymised (sp?), but that means I can't include it in the 'last modified/last created' data |
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| 14:01.29 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: since you probably could connect those dates to a specific proposal |
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| 14:08.07 | Ophiuchi | is pleased with the proposal turnout so far, but wouldn't mind more good ones :) |
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| 14:08.27 | SRabbelier | Ophiuchi: word |
| 14:09.21 | ojwb | i'd be happier if I didn't have to keep telling them to work on the timeline |
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| 14:11.33 | Ophiuchi | we shifted from "discuss the project with the mentor(s)" to "discuss the project on the mailing list" and it seems to pay off. |
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| 14:14.55 | Emaad_ | Hi, I'm having trouble submitting my GSoC 2011 application at google-melange. Is this the right place to ask for help? |
| 14:15.46 | brik | yes |
| 14:16.21 | SRabbelier | Emaad_: wha'ts your problem? |
| 14:16.27 | ojwb | or in #melange if it's actually a melange issue |
| 14:16.42 | ojwb | though SRabbelier is a portable one-man #melange |
| 14:16.46 | SRabbelier | ^__^ |
| 14:16.51 | Emaad_ | When I submit my application |
| 14:16.55 | Emaad_ | I get a 500 server error. |
| 14:17.10 | Emaad_ | I'm trying to submit the proposal to Openintents |
| 14:17.18 | SRabbelier | Emaad_: please hold |
| 14:17.30 | JanisB | hold F5 key |
| 14:18.02 | SRabbelier | Emaad_: you have some very funky characters in your proposal |
| 14:18.08 | SRabbelier | and he left |
| 14:18.08 | SRabbelier | nice |
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| 14:18.22 | SRabbelier | Emaad_: you have some very funky characters in your proposal |
| 14:18.28 | Emaad_ | Ok |
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| 14:18.40 | SRabbelier | Emaad_: would you mind saving the text to somewhere I can see it? |
| 14:18.49 | Emaad_ | The plain text? |
| 14:18.49 | SRabbelier | Any python wizards know what's going on here? UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0xa0 in position 287: unexpected code byte |
| 14:18.55 | SRabbelier | Emaad_: right |
| 14:18.57 | Emaad_ | I only have the HTML at hand |
| 14:19.03 | SRabbelier | Emaad_: also fine :) |
| 14:19.10 | SRabbelier | Triggered by content = content.decode("utf-8") |
| 14:19.12 | Emaad_ | Alright, a minute. |
| 14:20.10 | ThFabba | Well some characters aren't valid in UTF-8, so if the text wasn't entered in UTF-8, .... that might in principle cause such an error *g* |
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| 14:20.42 | SRabbelier | ThFabba: I suppose |
| 14:20.51 | SRabbelier | Emaad_: did you include any funky characters in your proposal? |
| 14:20.54 | ojwb | some byte sequences, to be clearer |
| 14:21.10 | |Kev| | Type those funky characters... |
| 14:21.14 | ThFabba | Indeed, ojwb. They aren't in fact characters :p |
| 14:21.46 | Emaad_ | Hmm, I actually posted this on Wordpress. |
| 14:21.51 | Emaad_ | And copied the HTML |
| 14:21.53 | ojwb | sounds to me like it is actually iso-8859-1 |
| 14:21.58 | ojwb | where 0xa0 is hard space |
| 14:22.10 | Emaad_ | The text is here: http://halfclosed.wordpress.com/openintents-proposal/ |
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| 14:22.23 | Emaad_ | The HTML is here: http://pastebin.com/XvP6VB2U |
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| 14:23.59 | SRabbelier | let's play a game of "spot the funky byte sequences" |
| 14:24.01 | Emaad_ | Hmm I can't find anything weird; apart from some empty HTML tags. |
| 14:24.12 | SRabbelier | ojwb: iso-8859-1? |
| 14:24.36 | SRabbelier | Laton-1? |
| 14:24.38 | SRabbelier | **latin |
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| 14:24.51 | SRabbelier | Emaad_: can you try setting input method to utf-8? |
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| 14:25.15 | Emaad_ | Yes I'll try that. |
| 14:25.45 | ahmed_ | Hello All |
| 14:25.48 | ojwb | SRabbelier: yes, but I'm wrong |
| 14:25.57 | Emaad_ | Would ’ be a problem by any chance? |
| 14:25.58 | ojwb | it's just ASCII |
| 14:26.07 | ThFabba | In the title (between Proposal: and OpenIntents) and under Contributions between Reported and issue #326 btw. ;) |
| 14:26.16 | ojwb | no output from: perl -ne 'print if /[^\n\t\r -~]/' Downloads/XvP6VB2U.txt |
| 14:26.33 | SRabbelier | ThFabba: mh? |
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| 14:26.42 | ThFabba | There's non-breaking spaces there |
| 14:27.06 | ThFabba | Not sure if they're or 0xa0 in the source; my "View source" seems broken :p |
| 14:27.08 | Emaad_ | Oh, nbsp's are bad? |
| 14:27.09 | ojwb | but not literal ones |
| 14:27.17 | ThFabba | Ah, hmm |
| 14:27.33 | ojwb | perhaps something in the process of uploading is converting them |
| 14:27.34 | SRabbelier | Emaad_: no those should be fine |
| 14:27.37 | SRabbelier | Emaad_: it's an encoding issue |
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| 14:29.12 | SRabbelier | wonders if setting http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/wiki.php/Configuration:entity_encoding would help |
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| 14:30.19 | Emaad_ | Wo, it worked! |
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| 14:30.55 | Emaad_ | I went to this site: http://www.motobit.com/util/charset-codepage-conversion.asp and converted the text from "utf-8" to "utf-8". |
| 14:31.30 | SRabbelier | Emaad_: and then it worked? :O |
| 14:31.38 | Emaad_ | Yeah |
| 14:31.52 | SRabbelier | Emaad_: cool |
| 14:32.01 | Emaad_ | Thanks so much everyone! |
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| 14:39.32 | AlexP | ah nice, names on the application list :) |
| 14:39.36 | AlexP | thanks for that :) |
| 14:40.54 | SRabbelier | AlexP: np |
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| 14:57.10 | kps_foo | Question: Is it ok to embed pictures in the proposal while submitting in melange ? or external clickable links? |
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| 14:58.19 | ojwb | external links are ok I think, but you shouldn't assume people will visit them - make the proposal complete in itself, and provide them for additional info |
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| 14:59.44 | ojwb | not sure about images - i guess you probably have to host them externally, which doesn't seem ideal |
| 15:00.42 | SRabbelier | bitner: s_#_/_ ? |
| 15:01.02 | SRabbelier | kps_foo: you can embed pictures, yes, but you do have to host them yourself |
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| 15:01.27 | kps_foo | siddharths: I don't have any problems with that, I have reliable hosting :) |
| 15:01.38 | bitner | SRabbelier: yeah yeah, just typing too fast :-) |
| 15:01.52 | kps_foo | correction : SRabbelier: I mean to talk to you :) |
| 15:02.10 | kps_foo | SRabbelier: was talking on multiple channels, thanks for the help :) |
| 15:02.14 | SRabbelier | kps_foo: then you can just click the 'html' button and add a <img src= |
| 15:02.35 | kps_foo | SRabbelier: nice! will embed them now :) |
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| 15:02.55 | ojwb | kps_foo: it means the images may not be there in the future though |
| 15:03.44 | kps_foo | ojwb: future ? will they be there at least till the proposal undergoes review ? |
| 15:04.17 | ojwb | sure, but melange keeps proposals from past years |
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| 15:04.52 | ojwb | kind of a shame if the images might not be there too |
| 15:04.58 | kps_foo | ojwb: Ok, so next year the images won't be there.... |
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| 15:05.04 | SRabbelier | kps_foo: they will be |
| 15:05.09 | SRabbelier | kps_foo: but if your image host goes down... |
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| 15:05.16 | SRabbelier | kps_foo: 's what ojwb is trying to say |
| 15:05.17 | laserbled | kps_foo, he meant incase the hosting expires i guess |
| 15:05.25 | ojwb | or you delete them |
| 15:05.42 | kps_foo | gets it finally |
| 15:05.46 | ojwb | it also means the proposal isn't really frozen at the application deadline |
| 15:05.59 | kps_foo | ojwb: ok |
| 15:06.01 | kps_foo | got it |
| 15:06.38 | ojwb | I guess I'm thinking melange should be able to host the images too |
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| 15:07.59 | kps_foo | ojwb: exactly, there are many who do not have access to hosting space... |
| 15:08.07 | ojwb | that too |
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| 15:09.45 | SRabbelier | ojwb: good point |
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| 15:18.29 | rr0hit | Is it wrong to discuss project ideas during this period? |
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| 15:19.04 | gevaerts | No. Why would it be? |
| 15:20.04 | rr0hit | Alright. Thanks. Asked just because there is a demarkated period for that too. |
| 15:20.29 | rr0hit | *demarcated |
| 15:20.39 | gevaerts | Well, during the "discussion" period you can *only* discuss |
| 15:20.40 | AlexP | I'd say it is a very good idea to, as at the end of this period you have to have submitted the proposal |
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| 15:21.00 | AlexP | So discussing before submitting might be seen as a good move :) |
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| 16:38.54 | socinfo | spectre: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 16:44.07 | Avya | i kinda new to this...ive just registered and am getting started with looking up organisations...do i still ahve a chance?? |
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| 16:44.24 | scgtrp | yes |
| 16:44.34 | scgtrp | deadline is several days from now |
| 16:44.44 | tensa_zangetsu | deadline is april 8th |
| 16:45.07 | scgtrp | recommend doing it soon though, so the org can give you feedback before then |
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| 16:45.45 | gadulix | are there any complete statistics about number of projects related to organizations ? or do I have to parse this http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/list_projects/google/gsoc2010 |
| 16:46.09 | gadulix | (about past years of course) |
| 16:47.09 | scgtrp | there is a page somewhere about how slots are allocated but i've not seen any real numbers |
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| 16:48.35 | gadulix | slots allocation is based mainly on students proposals and limited to number of projects, am I right ? |
| 16:48.47 | dis | !slots |
| 16:48.48 | socinfo | dis: "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/site/site/studentallocations |
| 16:48.54 | gadulix | thanks |
| 16:48.55 | dis | gadulix: ^^ |
| 16:49.05 | gadulix | !slots |
| 16:49.06 | socinfo | gadulix: "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/site/site/studentallocations |
| 16:49.11 | Avya | @scgtrp- can we modify our submission or i first start of by contacting them and getting a response |
| 16:49.36 | scgtrp | you can modify it up until the deadline |
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| 16:51.32 | halohell | top |
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| 16:54.12 | betaversion | what to fill in the link id field? |
| 16:54.29 | dhaun | !linkid |
| 16:54.30 | socinfo | dhaun: "linkid" is like a username. See http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/userguide#depth_sitewideprofile |
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| 16:55.24 | SRabbelier | dhaun: whoah, didn't know about that one :) |
| 16:55.27 | betaversion | thanks a lot. |
| 16:56.03 | MatthewWilkes | So, I was thinking, if I set up an auto mailer to send the FAQ as a response to every new thread on the mailing list would it ever be unnecessary? :) |
| 16:56.25 | scgtrp | prods the melange developers and recommends background-repeat: no-repeat; on the anchors on that page |
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| 16:58.24 | dhaun | scgtrp: it already uses no-repeat but some other CSS error seems to throw Firefox off - other browsers don't repeat the image |
| 16:58.57 | scgtrp | really? adding no-repeat manually via firebug made it look right |
| 16:59.02 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: no, never |
| 16:59.18 | SRabbelier | scgtrp: send patch plx? we've got swag |
| 16:59.44 | schumaml | the w3c html validator reports 58 errors on that page |
| 16:59.46 | scgtrp | i get a t-shirt for adding one line of css? shiny |
| 16:59.50 | SRabbelier | schumaml: :( |
| 17:00.04 | SRabbelier | schumaml: anything systematic? |
| 17:00.09 | SRabbelier | (and thus easily fixable) |
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| 17:01.05 | schumaml | wrong document structure, elements put where they aren't allowed |
| 17:01.18 | schumaml | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fsocghop.appspot.com%2Fdocument%2Fshow%2Fgsoc_program%2Fgoogle%2Fgsoc2011%2Fuserguide%23depth_sitewideprofile&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&ss=1&outline=1&group=0&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.2 |
| 17:01.27 | SRabbelier | that's one badass link |
| 17:02.31 | SRabbelier | schumaml: looks like most of those are part of the document html (and thus generated by TinyMCE), yes? |
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| 17:03.33 | schumaml | everything except the very first one, I'd say |
| 17:04.56 | scgtrp | ahh, that would be why i can't find it in the source code. |
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| 17:13.30 | asslulz | Q: Do the mentors reviewing my application are able to see if I have applied for some other projects/organizations? |
| 17:14.24 | dhaun | asslulz: no |
| 17:14.25 | |Kev| | No. |
| 17:14.29 | hypatia | asslulz: no, but if you get selected for two there is a big meeting when those all get sorted out, and you'll be asked which you prefer |
| 17:14.41 | |Kev| | You *may* be asked which you prefer. |
| 17:14.43 | hypatia | asslulz: also please choose a non-douchey nick |
| 17:15.00 | hypatia | ah, i didn't realize it was a *may*, |Kev| |
| 17:15.04 | hypatia | thanks |
| 17:15.37 | asslulz | thanks folks |
| 17:15.41 | asslulz | hypatia? |
| 17:15.45 | asslulz | hypatia-dot-ca? |
| 17:15.57 | dhaun | Melange will actually notify the orgs if there's a conflict, so that it can be resolved before that big meeting |
| 17:16.02 | hypatia | asslulz: that's me |
| 17:16.39 | asslulz | wut, w00t |
| 17:16.43 | |Kev| | So the accurate but unhelpful answer is 'maybe' |
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| 17:17.31 | omegaphi | hi, I mailed to Portland state university mailing list and got no reply, is there any mentor from this org, online right now? |
| 17:17.44 | hypatia | !anyone |
| 17:17.45 | socinfo | hypatia: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 17:17.47 | hypatia | omegaphi: ^^ |
| 17:18.34 | omegaphi | hypatia , there IRC channel is invite only :( |
| 17:19.32 | hypatia | omegaphi: how long ago did you email the list? |
| 17:20.22 | omegaphi | hypatia : I mailed on march 30 |
| 17:21.13 | hypatia | hmm. wait til monday and email again |
| 17:21.23 | hypatia | that's what i'd do anyway :) |
| 17:21.32 | omegaphi | hypatia : ok :) |
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| 17:37.38 | mpounta | can i submit more than one proposals at the same mentoring org? |
| 17:38.30 | ravenlock | typically, yes |
| 17:38.37 | ravenlock | only one can be *accepted* though |
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| 17:39.15 | ravenlock | becaureful however with this "shotgun" approach. As it's quality ppl look for, not quantity. |
| 17:39.48 | mpounta | i see, thank you |
| 17:41.09 | iLucian | hi! if you submit an application, that means that you're committed, right? or can you decline if accepted? |
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| 17:41.38 | ravenlock | you can still decline. Especially if you were to have been accepted by more than one org. |
| 17:41.49 | ravenlock | (as you must seelct one and only one) |
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| 17:42.26 | ravenlock | Keep in mind if you decline for "no good reason", your chances of being favored in follow up years might diminish. |
| 17:42.40 | ravenlock | (just my opinion) |
| 17:42.51 | logiclord | How to insert images in proposal ?? |
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| 17:43.49 | mmadia | you may be able to edit the html and use an <img src="URL" /> tag, logiclord |
| 17:44.12 | logiclord | thanks |
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| 17:54.20 | omegaphi | logiclord : Drag and drop |
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| 18:12.00 | MatthewWilkes | wonders about students that confuse 200 bytes with 1k |
| 18:12.06 | MatthewWilkes | and comment on that as a |
| 18:12.16 | MatthewWilkes | an attachment while sending a HTML and plaintext email |
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| 18:14.33 | akashm1990 | MatthewWilkes: Gmail does show it as 1KB |
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| 18:15.57 | |Kev| | Yes, I know this is the same as every year, but I"d feel much happier is students would get on and submit a few worthwhile applications for us. |
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| 18:16.10 | MatthewWilkes | akashm1990: My computer shows empty files as 4kb. If you're going to question something you try to understand it yourself first |
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| 18:17.03 | akashm1990 | MatthewWilkes: Not applicable for someone planning to submit > 20 applications |
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| 18:18.13 | MatthewWilkes | akashm1990: It was someone else, actually |
| 18:18.19 | MatthewWilkes | But, yeah, *facepalm* there too |
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| 18:19.15 | akashm1990 | MatthewWilkes: Yes, he had asked : I have no experience about gsoc. Can you help me decide which projects i should go for? Earlier |
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| 18:20.12 | MatthewWilkes | akashm1990: Ah, yes |
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| 18:20.15 | MatthewWilkes | notes the name |
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| 18:21.19 | shadeslayer | i wish GMail could do GPG/PGP Signed emails |
| 18:22.10 | Sh4wn | +1 |
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| 18:23.03 | SRabbelier | shadeslayer: I agree, I already trust them with my emai, why not have them handle (a) private key as well |
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| 18:23.35 | MatthewWilkes | run the encryption in the browser? |
| 18:23.37 | shadeslayer | not really |
| 18:24.07 | shadeslayer | something like desktop notifications in chrome .. where a dialog pop's up, the email is downloaded, signed and sent back to gmail |
| 18:24.30 | shadeslayer | i really don't like putting my keys in the cloud ... |
| 18:24.38 | shadeslayer | shudders at the idea |
| 18:24.46 | MatthewWilkes | is sure SRabbelier wasn't joking |
| 18:25.04 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: only half :) |
| 18:25.12 | |Kev| | GMail *can* do GPG signed mails. |
| 18:25.25 | shadeslayer | |Kev|: oh... how? :D |
| 18:25.30 | SRabbelier | shadeslayer: I suppose signing could work if you use a plugin |
| 18:25.36 | SRabbelier | shadeslayer: those are already available |
| 18:25.36 | |Kev| | Send over SMTP. |
| 18:25.52 | shadeslayer | |Kev|: nah .. we were talking via a web interface :P |
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| 18:26.04 | shadeslayer | SRabbelier: oh yeah .. that reminds me, since i now use FF there probably is addon for that |
| 18:26.42 | shadeslayer | nearly lost his precious GPG keys once |
| 18:26.59 | SRabbelier | shadeslayer: why not have multiple keys? |
| 18:27.20 | SRabbelier | shadeslayer: e.g., one you fully trust, and one you use for email that you give out to trusted third parties? |
| 18:27.37 | shadeslayer | SRabbelier: well i copied them to my external drive and the windows installer formatted the external drive .. so .. yeah ... |
| 18:27.44 | SRabbelier | shadeslayer: ouch |
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| 18:27.51 | SRabbelier | shadeslayer: backups. important ;) |
| 18:28.09 | shadeslayer | now the awesome part .. i was testing out this app on android which signs your emails with GPG keys |
| 18:28.18 | shadeslayer | so had copied them over to my phone :P |
| 18:28.28 | SRabbelier | shadeslayer: save! :D |
| 18:28.30 | shadeslayer | yep |
| 18:28.35 | shadeslayer | SRabbelier: lost my ssh keys tho |
| 18:28.44 | SRabbelier | painful, but not as bad |
| 18:28.44 | shadeslayer | don't use those alot so ... *shrug* |
| 18:28.48 | shadeslayer | yep |
| 18:28.51 | SRabbelier | since those aren't usually signed at key signing parties :P |
| 18:28.58 | shadeslayer | right :D |
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| 18:29.22 | shadeslayer | SRabbelier: seeing how a few DD's had signed mine at UDS-N i was *really* scared for a few mins |
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| 18:30.04 | shadeslayer | aw .. they discontinued firegpg |
| 18:30.22 | SRabbelier | shadeslayer: Sorry, DD's? |
| 18:30.31 | shadeslayer | SRabbelier: Debian Developer's |
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| 18:30.46 | SRabbelier | ah |
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| 18:31.29 | shadeslayer | SRabbelier: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xA704BD4EF2672094 |
| 18:32.40 | SRabbelier | shadeslayer: ubuntu dudes too I see :P |
| 18:32.45 | shadeslayer | yep :) |
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| 18:33.03 | shadeslayer | need to get more sigs ;) |
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| 18:34.07 | SRabbelier | hehe |
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| 18:40.03 | goleary | hi everyone |
| 18:40.16 | MatthewWilkes | hi goleary and nobody else |
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| 18:41.24 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: hihog |
| 18:43.01 | MatthewWilkes | hog? |
| 18:43.02 | MatthewWilkes | mmmmm |
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| 18:43.06 | MatthewWilkes | wants pork |
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| 18:44.36 | SRabbelier | wouldn't mind some |
| 18:45.26 | MatthewWilkes | sausage wrapped in bacon |
| 18:46.11 | goleary | what organizations are you guys working on proposals for? |
| 18:47.17 | gevaerts | refuses to work on proposals |
| 18:47.27 | MatthewWilkes | I'm a mentor, as is gevaerts |
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| 18:48.29 | kblin | I work on proposals |
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| 18:49.33 | SRabbelier | hey |
| 18:49.35 | SRabbelier | I have an idea |
| 18:49.41 | SRabbelier | maybe I should apply for GSoC as a student this year! |
| 18:49.49 | SRabbelier | I'm still in school.... :D |
| 18:50.05 | gevaerts | Go for it! |
| 18:50.05 | ThomasWaldmann | hehe |
| 18:50.07 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: So am I⦠|
| 18:50.15 | kblin | currently I'm trying to build samba on android for a talk I want to give at this year's SDC |
| 18:50.16 | ThomasWaldmann | you could work on melange :D |
| 18:50.18 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: except I actually could |
| 18:50.20 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: let's do this! |
| 18:50.35 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Google employee! |
| 18:50.36 | MatthewWilkes | points |
| 18:51.16 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: am not (yet)! |
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| 18:51.29 | MatthewWilkes | Hmm, thought you were, nm then |
| 18:51.47 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: getting paid to work on Melange, but with PO, not even as contractor :P |
| 18:51.56 | Nightrose | SRabbelier: MatthewWilkes: let's do it - this is my last chance as well :P |
| 18:52.03 | MatthewWilkes | I have one more |
| 18:52.03 | gevaerts | uh oh |
| 18:52.12 | gevaerts | But where will we find new mentors? |
| 18:52.13 | |Kev| | Good grief, you young 'uns |
| 18:52.17 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: google doesn't hire anyone without a university degree, I think |
| 18:52.31 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose, SRabbelier: For eachother's orgs, or ou |
| 18:52.33 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: yeaaaah! |
| 18:52.34 | MatthewWilkes | r own? |
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| 18:52.46 | Nightrose | own |
| 18:52.49 | kblin | hm, I'm game ;) |
| 18:52.54 | Nightrose | ;-) |
| 18:52.58 | kblin | but I have one more year I guess |
| 18:52.59 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: our own of course, we're org admins, we can vote ourselves in! |
| 18:53.07 | eoc | :-) |
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| 18:53.09 | SRabbelier | it's going to be a revolution! |
| 18:53.17 | Nightrose | yes! |
| 18:53.23 | Nightrose | though i have 4 other admins to fight... |
| 18:53.24 | Nightrose | damn |
| 18:53.24 | |Kev| | Don't be silly. Melange wouldn't allow that, and there's no way around th... |
| 18:53.24 | SRabbelier | (note to bystanders: Melange doesn't allow org admins nor mentors to apply as students, don't worry) |
| 18:53.28 | Nightrose | shouldn't have let them in |
| 18:53.29 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: I'm not an org admin |
| 18:53.32 | MatthewWilkes | just backup |
| 18:53.34 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: remove them! |
| 18:53.40 | Nightrose | :D |
| 18:53.42 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: hhehehe |
| 18:53.44 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: you have a few days left to fix that |
| 18:53.55 | MatthewWilkes | I hear patches are welcome |
| 18:53.59 | SRabbelier | grins |
| 18:54.02 | kblin | :) |
| 18:54.13 | SRabbelier | The league of mentors gone bad! |
| 18:54.21 | SRabbelier | (must be because of all the crap on the ML) |
| 18:54.27 | SRabbelier | (can I say crap in here?) |
| 18:54.43 | MatthewWilkes | depends, do we use european or american swearing standards? |
| 18:54.45 | SRabbelier | is it PG-13? |
| 18:54.58 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: european |
| 18:55.00 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: American of course, don't you know that GSoC is biased to the US |
| 18:55.01 | Nightrose | clearly |
| 18:55.02 | AlexP | MatthewWilkes: Judging on what someone got told off for the other day, American |
| 18:55.13 | SRabbelier | AlexP: heheh :P |
| 18:55.14 | Nightrose | hehe |
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| 18:55.14 | AlexP | I would never have even considered this word as taboo in any way |
| 18:55.32 | MatthewWilkes | How about the swear words that I've never heard from americans? |
| 18:55.44 | AlexP | To me it was like being told off for saying "fish" :) |
| 18:55.45 | MatthewWilkes | I assume it's because they're too advanced, but you never know |
| 18:55.46 | SRabbelier | quoth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PG-13#Language : "If a film uses "one of the harsher sexually derived words" (such as fuck) one to four times, it is routine today for the film to receive a PG-13 rating, provided that the word is used as anexpletive and not with a sexual meanin" |
| 18:55.55 | gevaerts | AlexP: "fish"? How dare you? |
| 18:56.01 | AlexP | gevaerts: I know :/ |
| 18:56.06 | |Kev| | I consider it swearing, but I'm fairly conservative. |
| 18:56.10 | *** kick/#gsoc [AlexP!~SRabbelie@188.142.63.148] by SRabbelier (mind the language, fish is clearly not acceptable) |
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| 18:56.22 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: But you said "fuck" |
| 18:56.25 | Nightrose | lol |
| 18:56.25 | AlexP | heh :) |
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| 18:56.30 | Nightrose | indeed you did! |
| 18:56.31 | |Kev| | Although not as offensive as vanity kicks :p |
| 18:56.49 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: Was it used as an explitive though? |
| 18:56.52 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: also you repeated it! |
| 18:56.56 | gevaerts | uh oh |
| 18:56.57 | censorydep | i had no idea colloquy had a kick audio notification. |
| 18:57.04 | gevaerts | realises that he repeated "fish" : |
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| 18:57.18 | AlexP | gevaerts: multiple times |
| 18:57.21 | AlexP | wantonly |
| 18:57.21 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: twice! |
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| 18:57.35 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: I was quoting you! |
| 18:57.40 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: no excuse! |
| 18:57.40 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: I think this rule is a bit fishy! |
| 18:57.45 | SRabbelier | rolls |
| 18:57.50 | MatthewWilkes | And no, not an expletive, but that's a dangerous rule |
| 18:58.55 | MatthewWilkes | Also, why is it so damn hot? |
| 18:59.05 | SRabbelier | hehe :P |
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| 19:00.37 | MatthewWilkes | 25ºc today |
| 19:00.40 | MatthewWilkes | bad precedent |
| 19:00.49 | SRabbelier | 0.O |
| 19:00.52 | SRabbelier | no way |
| 19:01.03 | MatthewWilkes | hotest April 3rd on record, apparently |
| 19:02.06 | SRabbelier | curious |
| 19:02.10 | k0p | SRabbelier: is possible to a student apply 2 proposals for the same organization? |
| 19:02.17 | SRabbelier | k0p: sure |
| 19:02.22 | SRabbelier | k0p: but quality over quantity |
| 19:02.27 | SRabbelier | k0p: and only 1 can be accepted |
| 19:02.37 | gevaerts | Unless of course SRabbelier and MatthewWilkes hog all the slots :) |
| 19:02.52 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: truth |
| 19:03.32 | k0p | SRabbelier: I know. A student ask me for that. "Only one proposal option on melange site" |
| 19:04.01 | SRabbelier | k0p: huh? |
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| 19:05.11 | k0p | SRabbelier: well, is there a way to simulate a student accoun |
| 19:05.14 | k0p | account |
| 19:05.17 | k0p | ? |
| 19:05.24 | SRabbelier | k0p: gsoc.appspot.com |
| 19:05.26 | k0p | (damm ssh is slow) |
| 19:05.28 | k0p | thanks |
| 19:05.39 | SRabbelier | k0p: seeded with socghop data |
| 19:05.54 | k0p | thanks |
| 19:08.06 | k0p | SRabbelier: I'm already admin on that |
| 19:08.25 | k0p | well, I can use other google account |
| 19:08.49 | SRabbelier | k0p: yeah |
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| 19:12.49 | mmlevitt | dear #gsoc, which organization should I apply to, if I want to work with Java Server Pages or the Google Web Toolkit? |
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| 19:14.03 | MatthewWilkes | mmlevitt: The one that seems most appropriate to you after reading the org list and relevant idea lists |
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| 19:15.55 | mmlevitt | MatthewWilkes: I was getting the feel that GSOC is very open ended. Thank you. I will propose to specific organizations with the idea and skills. |
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| 19:22.09 | Kiel | i have a quick question, Im currently a student at Oregon StateUniversity and will be on a internship during the summer. Could i still apply to work on a opensource project for the summer of code? Alot of the projects state that they want 40 hours a week but most look like they could be completed in 20 at most |
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| 19:22.48 | hypatia | Kiel: you;re expected to treat it as a full-time deal |
| 19:22.53 | hypatia | 30+ hours a week |
| 19:23.14 | |Kev| | 40, in fact. |
| 19:23.24 | |Kev| | GSoC should be your main focus for the summer. |
| 19:23.34 | goleary | any particular reason why all the tags disappeared off of the accepted organization page? |
| 19:23.36 | Kiel | ok... |
| 19:23.47 | MatthewWilkes | Kiel: 20 is very possible, it's the very definition of half-assing it |
| 19:23.57 | SRabbelier | goleary: what? |
| 19:23.57 | SukhE | And if you think that they can be completed in 20 hours / week, you are mistaken :-) |
| 19:23.58 | SRabbelier | 0.o |
| 19:24.16 | SRabbelier | !screenshot |
| 19:24.18 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "screenshot" is Please provide a screenshot illustrating your problem, we recommend http://www.awesomescreenshot.com for easy screenshotting. |
| 19:24.21 | SRabbelier | goleary: ^ |
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| 19:24.54 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: nah, the country data is only interesting in connection with the times. fwiw, it would be valueless to anyone but a program admin who could access every proposal anyway |
| 19:25.18 | Kiel | well since i wouldnt want to half ass anything can i still apply for them and just stated that i would like to provide additon bug fixes for free? |
| 19:25.28 | Kiel | state* |
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| 19:25.37 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: but either way it's not a big deal |
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| 19:25.55 | SRabbelier | Kiel: if you can't treat GSoC as your full time job, then don't, there's plenty others out there who can, and need it |
| 19:26.09 | goleary | Srabbelier: do you really need a need a screenshot? |
| 19:26.16 | SRabbelier | goleary: yes |
| 19:26.22 | SRabbelier | goleary: because it's working for me ;) |
| 19:26.24 | goleary | do any of the tags show up for you when you goto that page? |
| 19:26.30 | goleary | ahhh ok |
| 19:26.49 | Ophiuchi | Kiel: you don't need to do GSoC to work with/on an open source project, many also do "normal" mentoring without pay. |
| 19:26.53 | SRabbelier | goleary: also, a screenshot shows that you can at least reproduce the bug on your own machine and aren't just trolling ;) |
| 19:28.11 | Kiel | Ophiuchi: How do i do this? just contact them and tell them i cant provide a full 40 hours but would like to participate in coding and be without pay? |
| 19:28.14 | hypatia | Kiel: if you just want to work on a projct for fun/free, don't bother with an app |
| 19:28.32 | SRabbelier | Kiel: yeah, just contact their dev list |
| 19:28.35 | hypatia | Kiel: just get in touch with the project directly and start working on bugs :) |
| 19:28.47 | hypatia | is doing exactly that with GnuCash |
| 19:28.52 | hypatia | had my first patch accepted :D |
| 19:29.09 | Kiel | ok sounds good im not looking for pay im just looking to help out |
| 19:29.24 | hypatia | Kiel: fantastic :) |
| 19:29.33 | Kiel | do you know of any projects accepted that need more help then others? |
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| 19:29.48 | hypatia | they all have bugs to be fixed |
| 19:29.54 | Kiel | k you got it |
| 19:30.08 | hypatia | Kiel: if you're just getting started with open source stuff check out http://openhatch.org |
| 19:30.21 | hypatia | they aggregate easy bugs from various projects |
| 19:30.26 | hypatia | great way to get started :) |
| 19:30.37 | goleary | SRabbelier: http://img156.imageshack.us/i/screenshot20110403at329.png/ |
| 19:30.40 | hypatia | my gnucash patch was one line, for example :) |
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| 19:31.25 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: heh, that comment about screenshots makes me want to go crazy hand-painting something on a screenshot, since it must be real if it's on one, right? |
| 19:31.32 | SRabbelier | goleary: wait, is that on gsoc.appspot.com perhaps? |
| 19:31.51 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: hehe :P |
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| 19:32.20 | goleary | :O |
| 19:32.23 | goleary | i see |
| 19:32.34 | goleary | yes it was how did i get on that site? |
| 19:32.41 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: btw, great example of the absurdity of cumulative scores with only positive numbers â we've got spam proposals that 15 people marked as a 1 ranking about real proposals with just a few good scores |
| 19:32.53 | dberkholz | s/about/above/ |
| 19:33.04 | |Kev| | I thought the scores were going to be averaged? |
| 19:33.05 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: hah, nice1 |
| 19:33.10 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: they are |
| 19:33.21 | dberkholz | just not yet in the dashboard view |
| 19:33.24 | SRabbelier | but we assumed people would still want to use cumulative score to rank on |
| 19:33.25 | goleary | can anyone look at the proposals? |
| 19:33.28 | |Kev| | After I played with numbers the other night at some length to show how broken anything else was :) |
| 19:33.36 | chrisql | Huh... I've got a question about the timeline. |
| 19:33.38 | SRabbelier | goleary: 'look at the proposals'? |
| 19:33.44 | goleary | or rankings |
| 19:33.45 | goleary | rather |
| 19:33.49 | SRabbelier | !timeline |
| 19:33.51 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 19:33.53 | chrisql | It says May 23: Students begin coding. |
| 19:33.54 | SRabbelier | chrisql: ^? |
| 19:34.00 | goleary | whatever it is that you guys are talking about |
| 19:34.16 | SRabbelier | goleary: what about it? |
| 19:34.18 | chrisql | Yeah, I'm looking at that right now in fact. |
| 19:34.30 | chrisql | It's just that, for me... term ends a month later. |
| 19:34.30 | SRabbelier | chrisql: sure, what about it? |
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| 19:34.42 | SRabbelier | (curious how I have the same question to two people in a row :P) |
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| 19:35.00 | SRabbelier | chrisql: state that clearly on your application |
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| 19:35.08 | goleary | can anyone see the rankings? for instance once I have submitted a proposal can i see where it ranks? |
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| 19:35.43 | SRabbelier | goleary: no |
| 19:35.45 | SRabbelier | goleary: that's private |
| 19:36.02 | SRabbelier | goleary: we're all mentors/admins |
| 19:36.12 | chrisql | Okay, will do. It just seems as though the "mid-term" is right at the beginning... I guess I can do some stuff before the end of term though. |
| 19:36.13 | SRabbelier | goleary: (we being the people who were just talking about scores) |
| 19:36.15 | goleary | ok thanks for clearing that up |
| 19:36.26 | SRabbelier | goleary: np |
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| 19:48.17 | sonney2k | SRabbelier, thanks a lot for the new interface - I finally see that of the 25 applications we have 11 from one (!) student... |
| 19:49.04 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: whoah! |
| 19:49.06 | SRabbelier | sonney2k: shocking |
| 19:49.08 | dhaun | sonney2k: wow, and how many of those are any good? |
| 19:49.39 | ThFabba | It'd be kind of awesome if they all were really good. Pity that that's unlikely :p |
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| 19:50.31 | goleary | there are only 25 applications in for all of gsoc? |
| 19:50.48 | goleary | or is that just for one of the organizations? |
| 19:50.58 | sonney2k | dhaun, haven't read them all yet. 2 of them are excellent, a recall names of a few more students so I expect around 8 of the remaining 14 |
| 19:51.06 | AlexP | goleary: One org |
| 19:51.14 | goleary | haha ok |
| 19:51.26 | goleary | what organization are you associated with sonney2k? |
| 19:51.30 | AlexP | goleary: We can only see our own orgs |
| 19:51.39 | AlexP | Well, except SRabbelier :) |
| 19:51.52 | sonney2k | goleary, heh surely just one org, shogun / tu-berlin / mpi http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/ |
| 19:52.12 | SRabbelier | logs in with his program administrator account |
| 19:52.30 | SRabbelier | waits for the list ot finihs loading |
| 19:54.15 | SRabbelier | 1227 proposals so far |
| 19:54.20 | SRabbelier | (only 11 more!) |
| 19:54.37 | SRabbelier | about as many mentors |
| 19:54.38 | SRabbelier | interesting |
| 19:55.08 | betaversion | is there any limitation to the number of proposals ?? |
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| 19:55.16 | betaversion | 1227?? |
| 19:55.59 | sonney2k | SRabbelier, what was the number of proposals last year? |
| 19:56.13 | MatthewWilkes | !numapps |
| 19:56.15 | socinfo | MatthewWilkes: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
| 19:56.21 | SRabbelier | betaversion: no, was referring to 1337, aka leet |
| 19:56.51 | betaversion | fine |
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| 19:59.27 | kblin | but 1127 + 11 = 1138 ;) |
| 19:59.47 | SRabbelier | I was missing a 0 :) |
| 19:59.52 | SRabbelier | it happens |
| 20:00.00 | kblin | SRabbelier: sorry to cramp your style, but off by an order of magnitude is pretty bad ;) |
| 20:00.15 | SRabbelier | kblin: pfshaw :) |
| 20:00.21 | SRabbelier | kblin: be glad it's only one |
| 20:00.32 | ThFabba | The 0 has no value, so it's not a problem ^^ |
| 20:00.34 | gevaerts | And being off by an order of magnitude on *leetness* is worse! :) |
| 20:01.28 | kblin | ThFabba: are you a biologist? that sounds very familiar |
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| 20:04.39 | ThFabba | kblin: Well actually I'm one of the guys for whom zeroes make up 50% of all information.... But.. that wasn't my point! No value!!1! :D |
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| 20:05.02 | ThFabba | kblin: though I'm not totally sure about the biologist reference. Is it funny? :) |
| 20:05.16 | kblin | no, actually it's a bit sad :) |
| 20:06.22 | kblin | I just spent a month in the lab for nothing because the last person working on this stuff was off by an order of magnitude |
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| 20:09.53 | ThFabba | Ah. Like spinach being extremely rich in iron? That sucks |
| 20:09.56 | ThFabba | er... inhales |
| 20:10.43 | MatthewWilkes | the order of magnitude is a great name for a secret society |
| 20:10.57 | ThFabba | ++ |
| 20:10.59 | ThFabba | lmao |
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| 20:12.18 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: I vote in favor |
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| 20:15.12 | kblin | hehe |
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| 20:15.38 | kblin | let the symbol be a big M ;) |
| 20:16.27 | SRabbelier | kblin: not a big O? ; |
| 20:16.28 | SRabbelier | ;) |
| 20:16.33 | ThFabba | lol |
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| 20:16.57 | Triskelios | O(M) |
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| 20:17.25 | SRabbelier | Triskelios: I like it |
| 20:17.32 | SRabbelier | O(M)nomnom |
| 20:17.58 | gadulix | O(M) looks for me as asympthotic notation - am I geek ^^ ? |
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| 20:19.03 | kblin | hehe |
| 20:19.20 | SRabbelier | gadulix: that's the idea |
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| 20:19.49 | SRabbelier | gadulix: O for "Order of", M for mangnitude :P |
| 20:20.35 | kblin | SRabbelier: oh, and of course we need ranks |
| 20:20.36 | gadulix | SRabbelier: of course I know :P |
| 20:20.45 | ThFabba | (and nomnom for food, which is good. mmh food) |
| 20:20.52 | SRabbelier | yes :) |
| 20:20.56 | SRabbelier | Omnomnom |
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| 20:21.14 | kblin | O(1) will be the leader, and the beginners will get O(n!!) ;) |
| 20:21.15 | SRabbelier | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYsi7Ro9ljQ |
| 20:21.19 | dingoberry | Is anyone else having issues with updating a proposla on the melange website? |
| 20:21.25 | SRabbelier | kblin: haha :D |
| 20:21.33 | SRabbelier | !moredata |
| 20:22.11 | SRabbelier | !learn moredata as Please provide more data on your problem, have you tried turning it on and off again? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85xwZ_OLX0 |
| 20:22.12 | socinfo | SRabbelier: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:22.15 | SRabbelier | !moredata |
| 20:22.16 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "moredata" is Please provide more data on your problem, have you tried turning it on and off again? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85xwZ_OLX0 |
| 20:22.17 | SRabbelier | dingoberry: ^ |
| 20:22.35 | dingoberry | sometimes I get a screen with only 1 button : "Resubmit" which doesn't seem to do anything, then other times I get 2 buttons "Update" and "Withdraw". Now my app looks like a screwy mess and I just wanted to fix a typo |
| 20:22.50 | SRabbelier | dingoberry: if it says "resubmit" you've pressed withdraw |
| 20:22.57 | SRabbelier | suspects that somehow withdraw is getting highlighted |
| 20:24.53 | dingoberry | ah ok |
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| 20:26.24 | dingoberry | ok, maybe there should be a status or check or something for withdraw, because when I accidentally clicked it, my proposal still appeared in my dashboard. |
| 20:26.54 | dingoberry | If i wouldn't have wanted to fix the typo i might have inadverntantly not applied |
| 20:27.01 | dingoberry | that would have been sad |
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| 20:27.47 | dingoberry | all good now though, thanks |
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| 20:28.18 | SRabbelier | dingoberry: it should be more obvious, yeah |
| 20:28.23 | SRabbelier | (what the current status is) |
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| 20:38.31 | sabdegul | #obf-soc |
| 20:38.53 | SRabbelier | sabdegul: que? |
| 20:39.30 | sabdegul | sorry about that |
| 20:39.43 | SRabbelier | obvious plug is obvious |
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| 20:41.00 | MatthewWilkes | #melange |
| 20:41.07 | MatthewWilkes | tests for double standards |
| 20:41.14 | mmadia | #gsoc ;) |
| 20:42.21 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: lol, not your org though :P |
| 20:42.26 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: but, to be fair |
| 20:42.28 | SRabbelier | #plone |
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| 20:43.39 | MatthewWilkes | hah |
| 20:45.13 | SRabbelier | !patience |
| 20:45.14 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "patience" is Patience is very important in GSoC/GCI. Relax and go code something useful. |
| 20:45.16 | SRabbelier | kronos: ^ |
| 20:45.30 | SRabbelier | kai: I want socinfo in #melange too :P |
| 20:46.20 | kronos | SRabbelier, yeah ..fine :) |
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| 20:50.36 | kblin | SRabbelier: can do :) |
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| 20:51.24 | goleary | is there a chatroom on freenode for tor? |
| 20:51.33 | SRabbelier | goleary: sortof |
| 20:51.41 | SRabbelier | goleary: the main one is.. on another one, I forget which |
| 20:51.54 | SRabbelier | The actual #tor channel is on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:52.02 | goleary | whatabout on here? |
| 20:52.04 | SRabbelier | goleary: also, why did'nt you try? #tor :) |
| 20:52.40 | chrisql | Success! *airpunch* |
| 20:53.07 | chrisql | First proposal: submitted! Whoop. |
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| 20:57.11 | goleary | ahh ok i tried #tor-dev |
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| 20:57.55 | SRabbelier | heh |
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| 21:11.18 | MatthewWilkes | so |
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| 21:11.22 | MatthewWilkes | I just found a sweet |
| 21:11.30 | MatthewWilkes | It is potentially 8 months old |
| 21:11.34 | MatthewWilkes | but there's no expiry date |
| 21:11.36 | MatthewWilkes | still good? |
| 21:11.43 | gevaerts | Of course it is |
| 21:11.48 | MatthewWilkes | good |
| 21:11.57 | MatthewWilkes | mmm lemony |
| 21:12.29 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: if it's sweet enough, nothing will spoil it |
| 21:12.38 | kblin | that's the idea behind things like marmelade |
| 21:12.45 | MatthewWilkes | indeed |
| 21:12.52 | MatthewWilkes | but if it's not it's a huge foodsource |
| 21:12.59 | SRabbelier | rolls |
| 21:13.13 | SRabbelier | #gsoc, proving health advice to geeks since 2005 |
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| 21:13.30 | kblin | sure, but "enough" is given by the humidity |
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| 21:37.26 | kblin | wow |
| 21:37.42 | kblin | there's a student trolling my mailing lists, I'm impressed |
| 21:38.10 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: oh? |
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| 21:40.52 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: he's sending virtually identical requests to three lists I follow |
| 21:43.48 | dotnick | Do orgs usually provide feedback to applications or is it something you have to ask for? |
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| 21:44.27 | gevaerts | sees the samba logo... Weird how one can use software for years and not know its visual image... |
| 21:45.09 | gevaerts | dotnick: some organisations may decide to wait for the application deadline before saying anything |
| 21:45.51 | dberkholz | i suppose some could even just score it and discuss it privately without providing any public feedback |
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| 21:46.47 | dotnick | gevaerts: Hm.. that's not really helpful |
| 21:47.47 | gevaerts | dotnick: indeed... Sorry |
| 21:48.04 | gevaerts | I don't think asking for feedback would be seen as bad |
| 21:48.12 | gevaerts | As long as you don't overdo it :) |
| 21:48.17 | dberkholz | if you want a conclusive answer, ask people with your org |
| 21:48.23 | dberkholz | every one is a little different |
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| 21:55.39 | dotnick | gevaerts dberkholz Thanks, I'll contact the org. |
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| 22:34.20 | Phil | Can high school students participate in gsoc? |
| 22:34.40 | ThomasWaldmann | yes, as mentor :) |
| 22:36.48 | Phil | ThomasWaldmann: I mean ThomasWaldmann participate as a student. I'm not an active member of any open source organizations |
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| 22:37.33 | ThomasWaldmann | Phil: did you read the faq? |
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| 22:39.53 | Phil | I did, I didn't see a mention of it |
| 22:40.04 | Phil | And I didn't see it online anywhere else |
| 22:40.17 | Triskelios | there's an entire FAQ section on eligibility |
| 22:40.41 | Phil | oh I just saw that |
| 22:40.44 | Phil | okay thanks |
| 22:40.46 | Phil | Sorry |
| 22:41.16 | Phil | :/ |
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| 22:54.54 | goleary | is there a channel for gambit? |
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| 23:00.58 | goleary | anybody here? |
| 23:02.33 | ojwb | goleary: see gambit's org page in melange for ways to contact them |
| 23:02.57 | goleary | i did i found nothing about an irc channel |
| 23:03.10 | ojwb | well, I've no idea |
| 23:03.37 | ojwb | if they have one or not |
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| 23:03.42 | ojwb | but if they don't list one there, they don't want you to use IRC to contact them... |
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| 23:07.27 | desti | what is gambit? |
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| 23:12.08 | ojwb | desti: one of the mentoring orgs |
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| 23:12.43 | ojwb | has no idea what they do, but I've seen the name in the list |
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| 23:21.33 | rahul_ | The Gambit Project's logo URL, as entered on the Organization Profile is http://www.gambit-project.org/gambit-small.png. This is a 65px by 33px png. It is invalid according to Brett Profitt who emailed the mentors list earlier to notify us. Any ideas why it might be invalid? |
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| 23:25.59 | eoc | as he emailed, it 404'd. |
| 23:27.33 | Hexxeh | Is 1000 words for a proposal too long, or about right? |
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| 23:28.03 | ThFabba | Got about the same, Hexxeh. Though that doesn't mean anything of course :D |
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| 23:28.10 | Hexxeh | Heh :P |
| 23:28.21 | Hexxeh | I'm really not very good at writing these, but I think my idea is solid :D |
| 23:29.11 | rahul_ | eoc: OK, thanks. Happy if it was nothing more than that. We haven't see the logo in the rotation yet. |
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| 23:31.40 | ojwb | Hexxeh: word count isn't the critical factor - you need to give enough detail, and how many words that takes depends on the nature of the project and your writing style |
| 23:31.58 | ojwb | it's probably a plausible length |
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| 23:32.21 | ojwb | a dozen words is definitely too short (that's the shorter end of the range for us currently) |
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| 23:32.44 | summatusmentis | my old apps were quite a bit longer than 1000 words |
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| 23:34.25 | ojwb | it might come as a shock to many students, but word count isn't a great measure of quality |
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| 23:43.30 | goleary | awful quiet in here |
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| 23:44.13 | chhuang | hello |
| 23:45.25 | ojwb | goleary: everyone is probably busy writing or reviewing proposals |
| 23:45.59 | goleary | yeah me too just my luck i have an electricity and magnetism exam thursday too |
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| 23:46.23 | eoc | ojwb: or you stunned a good majority of those writing with your above statement ;-) |
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| 23:52.14 | ojwb | eoc: about word counts? |
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| 23:52.45 | eoc | aye |
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