| 00:00.08 | NepaliKoChoro | okay, trying once again |
| 00:00.10 | new_one | hi, what does @ in front of names mean? |
| 00:00.18 | SRabbelier | new_one: channel operators |
| 00:00.28 | efes | new_one: those are more important : D |
| 00:00.36 | new_one | SRabbelier: thanks |
| 00:00.47 | Kraytul | fancy hats for fancy people ;) |
| 00:00.51 | chx | LOL someone copied the template verbatin |
| 00:00.55 | efes | chx: I know some orgs have untypical templates to be sure that copy-me-paste-me method will fail. Maybe you need kind of Re-Captcha for applying students :P |
| 00:00.55 | chx | *verbatim |
| 00:01.01 | blast007 | Guest34015: that image host seems to be down.. |
| 00:01.11 | SRabbelier | chx: the template is pasted in their application |
| 00:01.17 | NepaliKoChoro | @SRabbelier, the link is still not working |
| 00:01.17 | SRabbelier | chx: they probably hit enter too soon or something |
| 00:01.25 | chx | SRabbelier: ah. can they edit? |
| 00:01.36 | SRabbelier | chx: yes |
| 00:01.40 | NepaliKoChoro | is it beacuse of the Squid proxy that I'm using? |
| 00:01.56 | chx | SRabbelier: good :) 'cos the summary sounds intruging on this one. |
| 00:02.17 | chx | efes: If we know that isset($a) === empty($a) then what $a could be? <= that's the captcha. |
| 00:02.30 | NepaliKoChoro | all i see is "Before you can apply to be a with an organization in Google Summer of Code, you must fill out this form in order create a profile." |
| 00:02.37 | NepaliKoChoro | and there's still no link |
| 00:02.46 | SRabbelier | NepaliKoChoro: fill out the form? |
| 00:03.15 | NepaliKoChoro | @SRabbelier, sorry but the link that says fill out the form is not working |
| 00:03.39 | efes | NepaliKoChoro: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2011 search for "APPLY" button. |
| 00:03.54 | ojwb | chx: so they just have to leave the answer blank? |
| 00:03.59 | NepaliKoChoro | Thanks |
| 00:04.03 | chx | ojwb: lol |
| 00:04.13 | NepaliKoChoro | didn't notice the differnce in the layout |
| 00:04.21 | NepaliKoChoro | previously it read Mentors apply |
| 00:04.22 | NepaliKoChoro | :) |
| 00:04.38 | chx | ojwb: i prefer 'empty string' or '' or "" or somesuch. (But, there are more solutions. In fact we found a bug on the empty handbook page on php.net let me fix that) |
| 00:04.41 | lolfrenz | here's a finite recurrence for you: GNUEWII = GNU Not Unix Except When It Is |
| 00:04.51 | ojwb | chx: hmm, I wonder if there's a "clever" answer if you define a suitable class |
| 00:05.15 | chx | ojwb: there is no magic __empty method so i'd be surprised. |
| 00:05.18 | Guest34015 | What if I accidentally registered as a mentor? |
| 00:05.31 | chx | ojwb: but then, as i siad, the community found a solution that is not in the handbook..... |
| 00:06.06 | Guest34015 | Now my email is busy |
| 00:06.40 | efes | chx: I'm not PHP devel, but... does "0" meets this assertion? |
| 00:07.13 | SRabbelier | Guest34015: send an email to my nick at gmail with your link_id and a request to delete your mentor profile |
| 00:07.22 | SRabbelier | Guest34015: also, include a payment of chocolate ;) |
| 00:07.53 | chx | efes: it does :) |
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| 00:08.05 | chx | efes: in many ways |
| 00:08.21 | chx | efes: 0 0.0 and '0' are all good. |
| 00:08.33 | scorche | but what about 0.000 ?! |
| 00:08.40 | ojwb | but not "0.0" |
| 00:08.46 | ojwb | what a strangely screwy language |
| 00:09.05 | zgreg | it's php |
| 00:09.22 | efes | 0.0 not? :o |
| 00:09.27 | chx | 0.00000 is the same it's still a float 0. |
| 00:09.30 | zgreg | but I don't want to start a flame |
| 00:09.32 | chx | but '0.0' is not . |
| 00:09.42 | chx | come on |
| 00:09.47 | chx | i write the phpwtf.org |
| 00:09.55 | chx | you want to tell *me* how screwed up PHP is :D ? |
| 00:10.10 | zgreg | what's even more screwed up than php are some of the comments in the official docs |
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| 00:10.30 | zgreg | the code samples some people provide are really WTF |
| 00:10.35 | zgreg | in many, many cases |
| 00:10.40 | ojwb | my favourite recent discovery is that the string length you pass in when setting a constant in PHP's C API is one different to the length you use when reading a constant in that API |
| 00:10.43 | box | good afternoon everyone |
| 00:10.53 | box | actually evening |
| 00:10.58 | ojwb | (for the name of the constant this is) |
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| 00:11.54 | efes | At thedailywtf I saw extraordinary php code with functions such as returnTrue { return true; } returnFalse {return false;} etc.. etc... |
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| 00:12.08 | efes | I'm not sure if he did own comparator, but it was incredible : D |
| 00:12.23 | vsrinivas | ..why |
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| 00:12.29 | efes | Whole the code was like this. |
| 00:12.38 | ojwb | abstraction! |
| 00:12.59 | SRabbelier | !logs |
| 00:13.01 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 00:13.15 | ojwb | efes: oh, I assumed that phpwtf was for features in the language, not uses of it... |
| 00:13.28 | zgreg | I guess it's for both |
| 00:13.33 | SRabbelier | what, no live logs? |
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| 00:14.15 | efes | ojwb: you were right. |
| 00:15.23 | SRabbelier | Guest34015: where's the chocolate? :( |
| 00:16.23 | Guest34015 | A little later :) |
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| 00:24.44 | chx | zgreg: if you want to help cleaning up the php.net manual , i am sure they would love a helping hand. |
| 00:25.28 | clr_ | Hi I was wondering if you are allowed to revise your application after you submit it. |
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| 00:26.16 | ojwb | clr_: yes |
| 00:26.23 | ojwb | up until the submission deadline |
| 00:26.24 | zgreg | chx: hehe no, sorry :) |
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| 00:27.16 | dayoung | when are orgs able to rate applications? as soon as they're submitted? |
| 00:27.34 | ojwb | yes, if it's like previous years |
| 00:27.37 | chx | yes |
| 00:28.28 | chx | but if you rate too early then you might get into the early bird gets the worm situation (or, the richer gets richer -- peoplewill only llookat the already high-voted apps) |
| 00:28.37 | zgreg | so it's a normale procedure to keep working on improving the proposal until the deadline? |
| 00:29.04 | dayoung | chx: thanks for the advice =) |
| 00:29.23 | chx | zgreg: kinda |
| 00:29.40 | chx | dayoung: I have been doing this for too long and i have everything :/ |
| 00:30.49 | dayoung | =) gaming the system eh |
| 00:31.53 | ojwb | if you're admin, you might want to consider disabling voting initially perhaps |
| 00:32.08 | chx | ojwb: can i do that? (yes i am admin) |
| 00:32.21 | ojwb | though if there's going to be a bias, one towards early submissions is less bad than the other way |
| 00:32.31 | ojwb | chx: I think there's a checkbox for it |
| 00:32.45 | dayoung | more serious applicants probably submit early anyways |
| 00:32.50 | laserbled | !next |
| 00:32.51 | socinfo | laserbled: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 00:33.49 | ojwb | dayoung: generally, though sometimes good people don't find out about gsoc until late in |
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| 00:34.02 | chx | SRabbelier: can i disable voting for now? |
| 00:34.24 | SRabbelier | chx: ah, nope, good point |
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| 00:35.12 | ojwb | SRabbelier: is that an issue with the new design? |
| 00:35.35 | SRabbelier | ojwb: nope , with the new code |
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| 00:40.02 | ojwb | SRabbelier: right, I was conflating the two... |
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| 00:40.37 | SRabbelier | ojwb: When we implemented the new UI we rewrote most backend code from scratch too is what I mean |
| 00:40.58 | SRabbelier | ojwb: and there's a # TODO in that code to check for "voting disabled" |
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| 00:50.27 | quackquack | When "Google Open Source Programs Office" is the mentor, is an actual Google employee the mentor for the project? |
| 00:50.52 | dberkholz | quackquack: that depends on the project. not necessarily |
| 00:50.58 | ojwb | quackquack: no, you need to bring your own mentor for that (except for the chroumium projects) |
| 00:51.02 | ojwb | chromium |
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| 00:52.36 | ojwb | quackquack: please don't PM me without invitation |
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| 00:53.21 | marcg | ojwb, out of curiousity, why not? |
| 00:53.43 | ojwb | if you discuss in the channel, others can benefit |
| 00:54.39 | chx | PMing nayone wihtout asking permission is superb crude |
| 00:54.45 | marcg | really? |
| 00:54.50 | ojwb | and if you ask in the channel, someone else can probably help sooner if I'm not around |
| 00:54.54 | chx | it might open a new tab or window and thus move focus |
| 00:55.00 | chx | that's VERY unnice. |
| 00:55.06 | marcg | mmh, I agree |
| 00:55.19 | marcg | my irc client doesn't do that, so I didn't know |
| 00:55.24 | dberkholz | heh, ojwb, you said pretty much the same thing here as i did in the query |
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| 00:55.45 | quackquack | Aarg, I thought he PM'd me.. sorry! My IRC client highlights differently for PM's and apparently the same when someone starts the message with my name |
| 00:55.47 | chx | now, those irc clients, and irssi, i am looking at you, makes you miss important messages. irssi-- |
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| 00:56.13 | ojwb | has a second login on some channels running in irssi in screen |
| 00:56.29 | redheadphones | waves from weechat |
| 00:56.34 | dberkholz | irssi works fine for me |
| 00:56.38 | dberkholz | you just need to configur eit properly |
| 00:56.39 | ojwb | which I rarely check, and I keep finding PMs there |
| 00:57.07 | ojwb | it's just so I can see scrollback if I'm out and on wifi somewhere |
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| 00:59.30 | omazapa | Hi guys, where I can find more information about Google Open Source Programs Office or how it works? |
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| 01:00.45 | bugQ | omazapa: do you mean aside from http://code.google.com/opensource/ ? |
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| 01:02.01 | thethomaseffect | Hello, just filled in my application and hit submit and got "Invalid XSRF token."? This a bug on my end or with the system? |
| 01:02.24 | omazapa | http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/ospo |
| 01:03.11 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: around? see thethomaseffect's comment above... |
| 01:03.23 | ojwb | omazapa: unless you have an academic project in mind and a mentor you can bring along, that's probably not the org for you |
| 01:03.58 | ojwb | though I thought they were also an umbrella for chromium projects, but that's not apparent from there |
| 01:03.59 | SRabbelier | thethomaseffect: that should only ahppen if you waited >3 hours or something until sumbitting |
| 01:04.04 | SRabbelier | thethomaseffect: but try submitting again |
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| 01:05.18 | thethomaseffect | Hmm I did wait a while, wasn't 3 hours but could have been 1. *sigh* guess I'll have to refill the form. Thanks for the help SRabbelier |
| 01:05.25 | ojwb | http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCode2011 - apparently not |
| 01:05.42 | SRabbelier | thethomaseffect: sorry about that :( |
| 01:05.45 | SRabbelier | is off to bed though |
| 01:05.51 | omazapa | I am working in opensource project with a teacher in Univerity of Texas at Austin, and I am student of University of Atioquia In Colombia, can google give us support to work in this project in this gsoc? |
| 01:05.56 | dberkholz | ojwb: chromium applied but wasn't accepted, iirc |
| 01:06.17 | thethomaseffect | SRabbelier: It's okay, these things happen, and nn! |
| 01:06.17 | ojwb | dberkholz: I thought I saw somewhere that chromium was under the OSPO umbrella |
| 01:06.18 | dberkholz | ojwb: and ospo had chromium in its tags previously |
| 01:06.26 | ojwb | ah, that was it I guess |
| 01:06.32 | dberkholz | yeah, i think it became umbrella after not making the cut as its own org |
| 01:06.45 | ojwb | seems they've changed their mind, perhaps |
| 01:07.02 | omazapa | ojwb:I am working in opensource project with a teacher in Univerity of Texas at Austin, and I am student of University of Atioquia In Colombia, can google give us support to work in this project in this gsoc? |
| 01:07.27 | ojwb | ojwb: i can't speak for google, but it seems that could fit under the ospo umbrella |
| 01:07.40 | ojwb | if your teacher is prepared to mentor you |
| 01:07.56 | ojwb | talk to them - there are contact details on that page |
| 01:08.01 | omazapa | ok |
| 01:08.10 | omazapa | I can talk with him |
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| 01:08.37 | ojwb | they only accept a handful each year though, so it's not the quick and easy way to get accepted |
| 01:08.39 | bugQ | thethomaseffect: also since they haven't added google docs style autosaves, you should fill it out in a text editor, not in the web form |
| 01:09.03 | omazapa | a ok |
| 01:09.12 | bugQ | although now I have a feature to request |
| 01:09.30 | thethomaseffect | bugQ: Good to know, thanks! |
| 01:10.10 | omazapa | thanks ojwb |
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| 01:13.53 | ojwb | sighs, do we really need another long discussion about address formats... |
| 01:14.19 | ojwb | i don't think anyone on the list thinks it's a sane restriction... |
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| 01:18.56 | JoeyA | Can you be a mentor and a student at the same time? I'm sure I've asked this before, but I forget what the answer ws. |
| 01:18.57 | JoeyA | was* |
| 01:19.16 | marcg | nope |
| 01:19.24 | zamN | it says it in the faq |
| 01:19.29 | JoeyA | Thanks. |
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| 01:19.38 | zamN | np |
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| 01:20.20 | JoeyA | Though I suppose, if I apply and get accepted to the same organization this year as I did last year, it wouldn't hurt to assist other students as an informal mentor. |
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| 01:31.34 | qasd | !deadline |
| 01:31.36 | socinfo | qasd: "deadline" is http://bit.ly/eYo7yf |
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| 01:39.32 | efes | time to leave |
| 01:39.35 | efes | bye folks :] |
| 01:39.39 | marcg | goodbye |
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| 01:56.25 | thebolt | Morning |
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| 02:25.01 | box | Hey guys |
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| 02:26.34 | box | Im wondering what is the "correct" approach to a project. Should I submit a proposal and wait on feedback or should i talk to the person in charge first and then submit a proposal??? |
| 02:27.39 | kstar | box: I would recommend a mix of both. |
| 02:28.05 | ojwb | do talk to the org first, but don't hang on to your proposal until seconds before the deadline |
| 02:28.06 | kstar | box: Submit the proposal, also talk to the person. Actually, maybe you're better off submitting the proposal after some interaction at least with your mentor. |
| 02:28.25 | kstar | box: Yes, ojwb has very good advice. |
| 02:28.49 | ojwb | not all orgs have the resources to comment on all proposals, so you may not have a chance to iterate feedback once submitted |
| 02:29.37 | kstar | Yes. |
| 02:30.10 | CrawfordComeaux | I've got two applicants whose proposals involve using google wave...anyone know some wave devs I could consult with? |
| 02:30.43 | ojwb | didn't they kill that off? |
| 02:30.50 | box | thanks both |
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| 02:32.15 | kstar | ojwb: Not entirely, AFAIK |
| 02:33.13 | CrawfordComeaux | but wave.google.com is no longer being developed & will be killed off sometime this year |
| 02:33.53 | ojwb | http://www.google.com/support/wave/bin/answer.py?answer=1083134 |
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| 02:34.46 | ojwb | CrawfordComeaux: so i guess apache might be the place to ask |
| 02:35.38 | CrawfordComeaux | ojwb: reaching out in that direction too...just fig'd I'd ask in here, too :) |
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| 02:54.47 | ojwb | dberkholz: don't make me use the factoid! |
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| 03:30.12 | siddharth | what do we have to fill in Link ID? |
| 03:30.42 | ojwb | just pick something |
| 03:30.48 | ojwb | your IRC handle for example |
| 03:31.03 | siddharth | name? |
| 03:31.14 | DarthGandalf | "siddharth" |
| 03:31.32 | DarthGandalf | Or something else if you want |
| 03:31.32 | siddharth | ok thanks |
| 03:32.07 | ojwb | it just needs to be unique within the system |
| 03:32.37 | siddharth | and in Im network do we have to provide our email address? |
| 03:32.39 | kstar | Oh, Melange is open. :-? |
| 03:33.18 | DarthGandalf | Btw, new melange GUI is awful >< |
| 03:33.24 | wtachi | so was the old one |
| 03:33.27 | ojwb | siddharth: that's Instant Messenger... |
| 03:33.41 | DarthGandalf | Old one at least shown properly in Opera |
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| 03:35.31 | kstar | Well, it's an open-source project. May I suggest a less invective tone...? |
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| 03:35.55 | hypatia | DarthGandalf: patches are welcome :) |
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| 03:36.30 | marcg | thinks DarthGandalf just volunteered himself |
| 03:37.34 | DarthGandalf | hypatia: patch which reverts it to old look, would be ok? :) |
| 03:37.40 | DarthGandalf | kstar: well, sorry then |
| 03:37.50 | hypatia | DarthGandalf: feel free to try it :) |
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| 03:38.17 | wtachi | wonders what it looks like with CSS disabled |
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| 03:44.51 | r00tkit | goin down :( |
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| 03:49.55 | marcg | are students notified if they get comments on their proposals? |
| 03:50.56 | ojwb | hopes so, though lots seems to have changed in melange |
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| 03:52.38 | siddharths | hi i updated my proposal yesterday, it looks good and cool i mean the interface :) but who can i add images related to proposal ? |
| 03:53.14 | nishmu | wtachi: Yes, to those who are not able to view the forms properly in Opera, they can disable CSS by selecting "User Mode" in View Bar. |
| 03:54.42 | siddharths | nishmu, do u have any idea if i can add images src to gsoc proposal ? :/ |
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| 03:57.33 | dayoung_ | how can I view public submissions to organizations? |
| 03:57.52 | nishmu | siddharths: yes of course, if those images are pertinent to your propsal or describe your ideas better. |
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| 04:00.45 | dayoung_ | I can't seem to find any way of viewing public applications |
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| 04:02.18 | ojwb | dayoung_: I think you have to be given the link to see a particular application |
| 04:03.02 | dayoung_ | seems a bit misleading? "If you check here, the content of your proposal will be visible for others. Please note that they still will not be able to see any public comments and reviews of the proposal." |
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| 04:03.24 | ojwb | I think it's visible if they have the URL |
| 04:03.45 | dayoung_ | ah ok |
| 04:03.50 | ojwb | but maybe that's different, or not been released yet |
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| 04:04.02 | ojwb | it's kind of hard to say with things being rebuilt around us! |
| 04:04.19 | dayoung_ | lol the carpet was pulled out from under us |
| 04:04.24 | hypatia | has a look at the new melange, and thinks it's lovely |
| 04:04.40 | dayoung_ | it looks nicer, but is harder to navigate |
| 04:04.56 | dayoung_ | I really liked direct links to the idea pages of each organization |
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| 05:41.47 | _ohm | What is the "Link id" and the "Public name"? |
| 05:42.33 | wtachi | Link ID can be anything, it's used in URLs related to you |
| 05:42.40 | wtachi | so you can use your initials or nickname |
| 05:43.21 | wtachi | Public name is whatever name you want everyone to see within the site |
| 05:43.31 | wtachi | I used public name "Sean Bartell", link ID "wtachi" |
| 05:44.06 | _ohm | wtachi, basically it's asking for your name and handle? |
| 05:44.07 | svaksha | link ID is permanent |
| 05:44.25 | svaksha | but you can change the public name as much as you like |
| 05:44.38 | _ohm | alright thanks a lot |
| 05:44.57 | wtachi | you don't have to use name and handle, but those are good choices |
| 05:45.28 | svaksha | _ohm: not sure i'd equate link id with handle, but ... |
| 05:45.56 | ojwb | at least for gsoc, you should probably just use your actual name as your public name |
| 05:46.56 | _ohm | alright, so the Link ID is basically something that gsoc can reference you as? |
| 05:47.15 | wtachi | yes, it goes in URLs |
| 05:47.18 | svaksha | _ohm: yes |
| 05:47.26 | wtachi | like http://google-melange.com/.../your-link-ID/... |
| 05:48.01 | wtachi | you can use your name or initials or nickname or anything else unique |
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| 05:48.23 | _ohm | alright, makes sense, thanks a lot |
| 05:48.25 | ojwb | I suggested they give an example URL where it got used, which I think they thought was a good plan |
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| 06:04.57 | hrishikesh | Can't I submit a proposal in pdf format which I've already created? |
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| 06:05.47 | sukhe | No. |
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| 06:22.00 | sri13 | !next |
| 06:22.01 | socinfo` | sri13: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
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| 06:28.27 | kd | someone please tell me how can i propose a project to any participating organizations. ASF has a list of tasks, do i just have to chose from it and inform them? |
| 06:29.05 | svaksha | the application process is via melange only afaik |
| 06:31.30 | dayoung_ | kd: you can propose anything, even if it's not on the list |
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| 06:33.18 | ojwb | kd: to actually apply you need to use melange, but it's good to discuss first with the org |
| 06:33.53 | dayoung_ | ojwb: do you ever sleep? |
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| 06:34.20 | ojwb | dayoung_: I get asked that a lot |
| 06:35.12 | thebolt | ojwb: ;) |
| 06:35.22 | svaksha | ojwb: yeah, do you? |
| 06:35.29 | svaksha | is curious :) |
| 06:35.51 | dayoung_ | the correct response to the question is "yep, saturdays" =) |
| 06:35.57 | svaksha | lol |
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| 06:36.51 | ojwb | I do, and about the normal amount |
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| 06:39.55 | stefanct | meh http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/student/google/gsoc2011 does not work in opera |
| 06:41.59 | ojwb | apparently if you turn of css it's usable |
| 06:42.40 | kai | stefanct: patches welcome, I guess |
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| 06:44.09 | thebolt | morning kai |
| 06:44.24 | kai | morning thebolt |
| 06:45.24 | kai | hmm, coffee |
| 06:46.43 | stefanct | wtf why is a telephone number required? |
| 06:47.14 | dayoung_ | stefanct: so your mentor can contact you if you disappear? |
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| 06:47.53 | shinnok | or would you prefer your mentor having a telephone number to an assasin rather then you? |
| 06:47.54 | shinnok | :)) |
| 06:48.14 | shinnok | too glad mentors aren't that ill minded |
| 06:49.34 | dayoung_ | open source communities are ruthless |
| 06:49.39 | stefanct | if i _want_ to disappear then having a cell number will probably not be enough to contact me :) |
| 06:49.54 | stefanct | dayoung_: this has nothing to do with foss imho |
| 06:50.15 | shinnok | stefanct, if you want to disappear then gsoc will probably not suit you |
| 06:50.27 | ojwb | if you disappear, we aren't going to drag you back against your will, but we'd like to know you didn't get flattened by a bus |
| 06:50.29 | stefanct | shinnok: correct, so? |
| 06:50.56 | stefanct | ojwb: how does im or email differ from a telephone number in that case? |
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| 06:51.33 | ojwb | I've had failures to communicate via email with people due to something just eating the mail |
| 06:51.44 | ojwb | phones don't have spam filtering usually |
| 06:51.46 | dayoung_ | I think the question is why is putting your number down so concerning |
| 06:51.53 | quazi_farhan | good point, since individually the bus factor of each gsoc project is 1 :P |
| 06:52.01 | ojwb | if you're not happy to put it, just explain why instead |
| 06:52.32 | stefanct | ojwb: you actually answered that yourself: because they dont have spam filtering :) |
| 06:52.33 | ojwb | having had a student disappear on me, I'm happy to know I have multiple ways to contact them to see if they're ok |
| 06:53.04 | stefanct | btw.. it is not about the mentoring organization, its about google |
| 06:53.08 | Husaini | after register , need to choose organization ? and submit proposal project ? |
| 06:53.14 | stefanct | i dont have a problem telling my mentor my tel |
| 06:53.21 | ojwb | ah, mentoring orgs tend to ask to |
| 06:53.30 | ojwb | because google won't disclose the number to them |
| 06:54.15 | ojwb | Husaini: yes |
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| 07:05.33 | kai | stefanct: actually, I've had google phone a disappearing student for me (that was before I asked for telephone numbers myself) |
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| 07:06.49 | ojwb | has yet to receive a junk call from them |
| 07:08.03 | chunmun | !logs |
| 07:08.04 | socinfo` | chunmun: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 07:08.26 | kai | So far, the only junk I got from google was weird emails from headhunters |
| 07:08.44 | kai | and those seemed to be unaware of my GSoC work |
| 07:08.48 | |Kev| | The best kind :) |
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| 07:09.13 | kai | yeah. with great subjects like "Hello from Google!" |
| 07:09.24 | kai | I almost deleted that as spam without reading |
| 07:09.38 | ojwb | kai: I think they target people involved in some of the big projects |
| 07:09.49 | ojwb | I'm fairly sure one mentioned debian |
| 07:09.51 | stefanct | kai: heh i heard that from a bunch of ppl :) |
| 07:09.54 | |Kev| | I work on the theory that when I want to apply to Google, I'll get a friend to drop my CV into a tin somewhere, rather than making use of a recruiter. |
| 07:10.06 | kai | ojwb: I never got one that hinted they know that I do Samba |
| 07:10.25 | ojwb | i work on the theory that when they open an office in my town, it'll get a mention in the local paper |
| 07:10.27 | |Kev| | To be fair, mine did explicitly say about my XMPP work, IIRC. |
| 07:10.33 | kai | |Kev|: lh got me on a "Don't bother these people, they know google exists" list |
| 07:10.48 | |Kev| | ojwb: Right. It'd be much more tempting if it was local. |
| 07:10.49 | stefanct | there is no way to preview or save a proposal right? i.e. when i hit submit it gets transfered to the mentoring org? |
| 07:11.03 | |Kev| | kai: I'm not important enough to have gotten enough for it to bother me :( |
| 07:11.17 | ojwb | stefanct: you can change it up until the deadline |
| 07:11.22 | ojwb | well, unless that's changed too |
| 07:11.30 | Nightrose | lol kai |
| 07:11.42 | kai | |Kev|: it's just been a few of them, I just got on this list because I told this story in the mentor summit hot tub once |
| 07:11.43 | Nightrose | has gotten a few emails that went nowhere in the end |
| 07:11.50 | Nightrose | then emailed some friends directly |
| 07:11.55 | Nightrose | worked _a lot_ better |
| 07:12.00 | |Kev| | stefanct: It does get shown to the mentor org, but that's good. They can ask questions early. |
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| 07:12.41 | kai | and LH didn't believe Google recruiters would send emails like that, so I forwarded her the next one I got :) |
| 07:12.43 | |Kev| | I'm surprised how much I enjoy my non-Google dayjob if I'm honest. Google was always the aim. |
| 07:12.44 | stefanct | |Kev|: no thats not good because i am communicating with them via ml and irc already.. it will just be spam :) |
| 07:13.07 | |Kev| | stefanct: It's expected behaviour, it shouldn't be considered spam. |
| 07:13.13 | yeswanth | cant find the link for mentoring organizations in the new site.. can any one point me there ? |
| 07:13.27 | ojwb | yeswanth: there's a link on the front page |
| 07:13.28 | Nightrose | yeswanth: on the main page below the logos |
| 07:13.36 | |Kev| | yeswanth: try the link to mentoring orgs on the homepage. |
| 07:14.07 | ojwb | would be interested to hear how much those 5 get an increase in number of proposals, and what proportion of those are any good |
| 07:14.14 | kai | whoa |
| 07:14.19 | yeswanth | ok, thanks .. missed it .. |
| 07:14.27 | kai | I totally missed the new UI rollout |
| 07:14.36 | Nightrose | ojwb: yeah :/ |
| 07:14.37 | ojwb | kai: I'm impressed |
| 07:14.45 | ojwb | not checked your email for the past 24 hours then? |
| 07:16.09 | yeswanth | it would be better if they include the link in the side links |
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| 07:16.18 | kai | ojwb: didn't check them at home, and my work email is set up to not bother me with the google folder getting new mails |
| 07:16.26 | kai | !orgsbylang |
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| 07:17.04 | ojwb | kai: you might want to stow any sharp object before you do |
| 07:17.22 | kai | !learn orgsbylang as Use the filter on http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 to filter orgs by any tag you like. |
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| 07:17.34 | ojwb | unless it's C or Java |
| 07:17.41 | kai | yeah, whatever |
| 07:17.43 | ojwb | though putting a comma after helps |
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| 07:20.49 | |Kev| | Only one application so far, and they failed to pay any mind to our template :/ |
| 07:21.27 | |Kev| | I don't think I can do so as I'm already a mentor/admin, could someone please confirm that the application box is pre-populated with the template? |
| 07:22.12 | pygi | |Kev|: one moment master |
| 07:22.28 | stefanct | |Kev|: for me/coreboot it is |
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| 07:22.41 | pygi | argh |
| 07:22.45 | pygi | I'd have to register as student |
| 07:22.51 | pygi | not sure I wanna do that, sorry :-/ |
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| 07:23.26 | |Kev| | pygi: Not a worry. Thanks for looking. |
| 07:23.29 | |Kev| | stefanct: Thanks muchly. |
| 07:24.03 | ojwb | hmm, perhaps I should paste ours in |
| 07:24.16 | ojwb | though I imagine most people will want to edit externally anyway |
| 07:24.49 | stefanct | ojwb: ack, but it might help remembering that there is a template from your org :) |
| 07:25.04 | |Kev| | I wonder if I'm too harsh that "Failed to follow simple instructions re: template" is an instant black mark in my mind. |
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| 07:26.00 | ojwb | stefanct: currently there's a link to it there, which should at least remind people |
| 07:26.22 | stefanct | perfect imho |
| 07:26.26 | ojwb | Kev: not sure I'd make it an instant fail, but it's not a good sign |
| 07:26.46 | |Kev| | ojwb: Right. |
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| 07:28.21 | Woaden | If i've been attending college for the past 4 years but have been disenrolled due to california state funds, does that make me illegible for google summer of code? |
| 07:28.29 | |Kev| | Woaden: Yes. |
| 07:28.34 | Woaden | :( |
| 07:28.41 | |Kev| | You must be enrolled on the 25th April |
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| 07:28.52 | |Kev| | (Or accepted into a course to start later) |
| 07:29.08 | Woaden | If I enroll part time in community college for next semester, would that be acceptable? |
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| 07:29.40 | |Kev| | If that is a University-equivalent. |
| 07:29.51 | Woaden | Hmm, no, not a 4-year college. |
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| 07:31.03 | |Kev| | It has to be accredited, whatever that means :) |
| 07:31.20 | |Kev| | Part-time is ok, though. |
| 07:31.27 | Woaden | Allright, I'll look at the faq for that. thanks ^^ |
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| 07:32.16 | |Kev| | It essentially seems to mean "Place that is authorised to give out degrees". |
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| 07:36.52 | kai | !bugs |
| 07:37.21 | kai | !learn bugs as http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
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| 08:30.01 | xdxn_ | hello, everyone! is it possible to find the old proposals from the new website? |
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| 08:40.17 | imploder | xdxn_: i don't know. i'd like to know too. a proposal can be made "public" with the checkbox, though i haven't found the place where these public proposals are displayed. |
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| 08:42.00 | sukhe | They are public for anyone with the URL. |
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| 08:43.59 | kai | xdxn_: not sure, I don't see the old content anymore |
| 08:44.21 | imploder | sukhe: where? |
| 08:44.37 | kai | wow, my desk actually has a surface that doesn't consist of papers |
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| 08:53.52 | samiran | hi this is my first time applying to gsoc |
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| 08:54.18 | samiran | can i modify my proposal after i submit it |
| 08:54.38 | ojwb | yes |
| 08:54.42 | ojwb | up until the deadline |
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| 08:55.44 | samiran | thanks you ojwb. it means i can submit it now and make necessary changes when needed until the deadline |
| 08:56.53 | ojwb | the mentoring org can see it right away though |
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| 08:57.42 | Talad | HI |
| 08:57.51 | Talad | on the student application, can the students attach a document, like a PDF? |
| 08:57.56 | Talad | with the actual proposal |
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| 08:58.58 | imploder | Talad: no, AFAIK. they do not want to have to read documents. the proposal should be in the textarea on the page. |
| 08:59.28 | Talad | mentoring org will read it |
| 08:59.39 | Talad | who are "they" in your comment? |
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| 08:59.45 | imploder | the mentoring org |
| 09:00.12 | Talad | well, I'm a mentoring org, and I want to read it |
| 09:00.33 | thebolt | Talad: not sure how it is this year as melange has been upgraded, but earlier years the answer would be no, but you could provide a link for more info |
| 09:00.54 | Talad | actually we have our own internal app to track everything |
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| 09:01.10 | imploder | ah, sorry. I'm a student, applying for the 1st year. heard about this in this IRC. |
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| 09:01.22 | Talad | so I'm trying to understand how to keep the two in synch |
| 09:01.44 | Talad | and if there are no documents on GSOC site, then I can keep it in our nexus app |
| 09:01.51 | ojwb | Talad: screen scraping? |
| 09:02.05 | Talad | but it's a pity, I think the google site should be the "official" submission |
| 09:02.09 | MatthewWilkes | Or submit a patch to Melange that lets you grab it |
| 09:02.10 | ojwb | there's some data export apis, so you might be lucky |
| 09:02.29 | ojwb | Talad: it is - if there's no submission in melange, the student doesn't exist in gsoc |
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| 09:03.06 | Talad | ojwb: so if they have the official proposal document how they submit it "officially" ? |
| 09:03.13 | Talad | a document with tables, images and such |
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| 09:04.14 | thebolt | Talad: i have never seen a case where that would be required to evaluate a proposal though.. it can provide auxiliary info (and they can link to it) but during those years i evaluated applications i'd say text-only submissions more than enough captured it |
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| 09:04.45 | Talad | a text only is like 70's technology |
| 09:05.01 | Talad | I hoped for a bit more :) |
| 09:05.07 | thebolt | so? not everything old is bad :P |
| 09:05.20 | Talad | students have built very nice proposals |
| 09:05.27 | gevaerts | Technology reached its peak in the 70s! |
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| 09:05.44 | Talad | what you are saying is that they have to now convert all to text, just because the site is dumb |
| 09:06.05 | Talad | I will ask them to link the doc on our site |
| 09:06.10 | Talad | that's probably the best way |
| 09:06.15 | thebolt | (and afaik text is rather 1500BC technology or so) |
| 09:06.35 | Talad | text on web site 1500BC, wow! |
| 09:06.45 | thebolt | not on web site, just in general ;) |
| 09:06.50 | gevaerts | thebolt: that's when they had the paperless office! |
| 09:07.07 | gevaerts | We still haven't managed to get back to that |
| 09:08.12 | thebolt | Talad: i would see a point in having sufficient quality of the submission within melange as well though, not just a "proxy" one (for example should some problem arise between student and org where someone external have to step in) |
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| 09:10.53 | Talad | I think uploading one file will be an important feature |
| 09:11.19 | ojwb | isn't the student proposal form HTML? |
| 09:11.41 | ojwb | our proposals so far weren't just plain text I think |
| 09:13.23 | Talad | yes, but uploading a word file is 10 times better |
| 09:13.37 | gevaerts | huh? |
| 09:13.40 | Talad | now burn me at the stake of we need open standards |
| 09:13.49 | ojwb | gets the matches |
| 09:13.53 | Talad | I'm resilient to that fire |
| 09:14.14 | bobbens | Talad: you mean LaTeX generated PDF :) |
| 09:14.40 | gevaerts | I don't see any reason to require more than a pdf reader for evaluating proposals |
| 09:14.54 | Talad | bobbens: yes, something for which you need to launch at least 5 different tools and one of which is not maintained anymore, just to create a word doc :) |
| 09:15.11 | thebolt | i for one rather read and evaluate fifty text-only proposals over 50 pdfs with lots of images and other distracting things :P |
| 09:15.14 | Talad | a PDF is ok as well |
| 09:15.43 | Talad | just give the option to upload one file |
| 09:15.52 | gevaerts | thebolt: How does LaTeX generated PDF imply "just to create a word doc"? |
| 09:16.04 | ojwb | Talad: we aren't the melange issue tracker... |
| 09:16.06 | gevaerts | And what is this unmaintained tool? |
| 09:16.14 | bobbens | latex is standard where I am :) |
| 09:16.16 | ojwb | gevaerts: microsoft word |
| 09:17.36 | Talad | I will ask to Sverre when he joins |
| 09:17.51 | thebolt | Talad: melange discussions usually get redirected to #melange |
| 09:17.52 | Talad | at least to know if there is a plan to add it or not |
| 09:18.04 | Talad | thebolt: I'm there already |
| 09:18.18 | Talad | I will ask him as he joins |
| 09:18.21 | |Kev| | And you've asked there already, which probably makes the discussion here moot :) |
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| 09:19.29 | Talad | |Kev|: I like asking and seeing if someone had similar issues |
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| 09:19.52 | |Kev| | I think most of us would rather read the stuff just in Melange, although I could be wrong. I certainly would. |
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| 09:20.10 | Talad | 349 people vs 45 ? |
| 09:20.17 | Talad | I guess it's not the same group really |
| 09:20.49 | |Kev| | 349 people vs 45? I don't understand what you're saying. |
| 09:20.50 | ojwb | indeed - those in #melange actually care... |
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| 09:20.59 | |Kev| | Ah, now I do :) |
| 09:21.16 | ojwb | is quite happy he doesn't have to spend the next week telling students he doesn't want word document |
| 09:21.18 | ojwb | +s |
| 09:21.23 | thebolt | :) |
| 09:22.01 | Talad | oh yes, word documents are evil. |
| 09:22.27 | ojwb | you are a troll and I claim my 5 quatloos |
| 09:23.00 | Talad | not everyone that express a different opinion as yours is a troll ojwb, remember it |
| 09:23.46 | ojwb | Talad: you've stated in the past few minutes "yes, but uploading a word file is 10 times better" and "oh yes, word documents are evil" - clearly you're really just aiming to provoke people to react |
| 09:23.54 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: I'd rather have a Triganic Pu. |
| 09:24.08 | ojwb | Pu! |
| 09:24.14 | Talad | great discussion :) |
| 09:24.22 | Talad | I will come back when I have another question |
| 09:24.24 | Talad | see you |
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| 09:24.28 | |Kev| | I'd rather have bars of GPL :) |
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| 09:24.33 | bobbens | heh planeshift :P |
| 09:24.35 | pygi | somebody called me? |
| 09:25.14 | saksham | is this forum in english? |
| 09:25.20 | saksham | i just got confused... |
| 09:25.28 | ojwb | it's been accused of that at times |
| 09:25.58 | chunmun | saksham: you are free to use the language you code in ;) |
| 09:26.01 | chunmun | hides |
| 09:26.09 | MatthewWilkes | from __future__ import sanity |
| 09:26.20 | gevaerts | while(--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*i--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*i--); |
| 09:27.08 | ojwb | isn't that undefined behaviour? |
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| 09:27.47 | gevaerts | It compiles cleanly, provided I have int *********i; |
| 09:28.02 | aghisla | can't count the *s |
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| 09:28.11 | gevaerts | I don't know if it's undefined, but I do know that I haven't tried to work out its exact behaviour :) |
| 09:28.13 | ojwb | gevaerts: yeah, but you're modifying i twice between sequence points |
| 09:28.15 | saksham | You missed a * |
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| 09:28.30 | gevaerts | saksham: where? |
| 09:29.13 | gevaerts | ojwb: true. A clean example probably shouldn't do that |
| 09:29.14 | saksham | i think i need glasses |
| 09:29.30 | gevaerts | I don't think it matters much though. Anyone who uses that in real code should be shot anyway |
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| 09:30.14 | saksham | reminds me of my C course last sem... |
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| 09:30.26 | saksham | our instructore loved pointing to a pointer to a pointer to a pointer |
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| 09:31.48 | apurvtwr | gevaerts: there you go... saksham gave you your first prey |
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| 09:32.13 | ojwb | remembers writing code like "LET A=PI/PI" in his youth |
| 09:32.21 | ojwb | no pointers to abuse in BASIC though |
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| 09:34.06 | saksham | why are there almost no assembly lang. based orgs? |
| 09:34.29 | ojwb | not many people write in assembler these days |
| 09:34.34 | bobbens | nobody really does a lot of asm anymore :) |
| 09:34.39 | gevaerts | Because there are nearly no language based orgs in the first place |
| 09:34.43 | bobbens | compilers optimize pretty well usually |
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| 09:36.36 | MatthewWilkes | morning zupo |
| 09:37.09 | zupo_ | MatthewWilkes: hey! |
| 09:37.32 | zupo | MatthewWilkes: I'm going offline in a few minutes |
| 09:37.36 | zupo | anything urgent? |
| 09:37.43 | MatthewWilkes | nope, just a hi :) |
| 09:37.50 | MatthewWilkes | as I saw your email and am happy :) |
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| 09:38.12 | zupo | MatthewWilkes: :) |
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| 09:56.04 | Talad|Away | I'm trying to see the steps needed to register as student, so I can then guide the students |
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| 09:56.44 | Talad | and so for example I've selected mozilla org |
| 09:56.52 | Talad | but there is just a link for mentors there |
| 09:57.06 | MatthewWilkes | Talad: You can't be a mentor and a student with the same google account |
| 09:57.11 | |Kev| | I believe that if you're registered as a mentor, you can't register as a student. |
| 09:57.15 | ojwb | is there a test system still? |
| 09:57.17 | Talad | ah |
| 09:57.20 | |Kev| | So you can't perform this test. I has a similar issue earlier. |
| 09:57.21 | Talad | that's why |
| 09:57.40 | Talad | well, I can create a dummy account |
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| 10:03.24 | Talad | do you know if t-shirts get sent to everyone that applies, or only to accepted students? |
| 10:03.42 | Talad | I can create a test account to check the process, but I don't want google to send a t-shirt to a dummy user! :) |
| 10:04.17 | gevaerts | Accepted students and mentors |
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| 10:04.38 | bobbens | students have to complete the program |
| 10:04.46 | bobbens | don't think accepted ones get the shirt if they fail to complete |
| 10:04.59 | ojwb | don't students get the tshirt if they pass at the end? |
| 10:05.03 | Talad | maybe it's better if I ask one of my students to take screenshots for me |
| 10:05.05 | gevaerts | Ah, right |
| 10:05.25 | ojwb | http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#tshirt |
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| 10:26.12 | |Kev| | Yay, my first junk mentor application. |
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| 10:27.24 | bobbens | you guys get junk mentor applications too? |
| 10:27.36 | ojwb | sniff, not had any |
| 10:27.45 | akashm1990 | What do junk applications look like? |
| 10:27.50 | bobbens | I can understand junk student, but junk mentor? |
| 10:28.00 | ojwb | people with no connection with your org |
| 10:28.02 | |Kev| | Message: I have worked a lot on these things for 2 years |
| 10:28.04 | |Kev| | In my case. |
| 10:28.14 | ojwb | not clear what their motivations are in general |
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| 10:28.29 | |Kev| | When they have never posted to an XSF mailing list as far as my archives can tell. |
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| 10:29.20 | akashm1990 | Weird, understandable to some extent for student applications, not for mentors |
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| 10:30.13 | |Kev| | It's the Internet. |
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| 10:30.23 | |Kev| | Nothing is too weird for the Internet. |
| 10:30.24 | bobbens | good point |
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| 10:31.37 | ojwb | i wonder if people think they can vote for their friend (or themselves) by signing up as a mentor |
| 10:32.02 | Etern4L | hellou all |
| 10:32.07 | Etern4L | i have a question to make |
| 10:32.12 | akashm1990 | could just be a students fake profile to vote for their proposal I guess |
| 10:32.23 | |Kev| | !ask |
| 10:32.25 | socinfo | |Kev|: "ask" is Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 10:32.32 | Etern4L | me and my friend want to work on the sae project for Gsoc |
| 10:32.36 | Etern4L | can we ? |
| 10:32.38 | |Kev| | No. |
| 10:32.47 | |Kev| | !faq |
| 10:32.49 | socinfo | |Kev|: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
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| 10:33.56 | ojwb | akashm1990: yes, that's what I meant |
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| 10:34.14 | Talad | ok, finally made it |
| 10:34.15 | Talad | http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/7655/gsocstudent1.jpg (on the organization page) |
| 10:34.15 | Talad | http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/9060/gsocstudent2.jpg (this one shows up only if you don't have yet a link id) |
| 10:34.15 | Talad | http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4810/gsocstudent3.jpg (actual proposal form) |
| 10:34.16 | akashm1990 | ojwb, but, can they? |
| 10:34.19 | Talad | this is how it looks like |
| 10:34.21 | ojwb | though they'd do better to put the time and effort into a better proposal |
| 10:34.22 | Talad | for a student |
| 10:34.35 | Talad | in case you are a mentor and you don't know how it looks |
| 10:34.40 | ojwb | akashm1990: well, they're really unlikely to be accepted as a mentor if nobody's heard of them |
| 10:34.58 | Talad | there is actually an "additional info" field which can be used to link an external resource |
| 10:35.02 | Talad | I think that's probably enough |
| 10:35.10 | akashm1990 | So, until they are accepted, they cannot view/vote on proposals? Good |
| 10:35.14 | ojwb | and in most orgs, I suspect it's not simply down to the voting |
| 10:35.53 | ojwb | akashm1990: well, I'd hope not |
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| 10:36.21 | Talad | the content is a sort of MCE tinyeditor |
| 10:37.13 | Talad | !student form |
| 10:37.16 | Talad | !studentform |
| 10:38.11 | Talad | socinfo learn studentform as This is an example of the student form as seen by students: http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4810/gsocstudent3.jpg (actual proposal form) |
| 10:38.11 | socinfo | Talad: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:38.16 | Talad | !studentform |
| 10:38.17 | socinfo | Talad: "studentform" is This is an example of the student form as seen by students: http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4810/gsocstudent3.jpg (actual proposal form) |
| 10:38.29 | akashm1990 | Talad, the link doesnt work |
| 10:38.29 | |Kev| | Ta. |
| 10:38.30 | Talad | ok, may be useful to other mentors in case they ask |
| 10:38.42 | Talad | akashm1990: mmm |
| 10:38.44 | Talad | it does here |
| 10:38.52 | Talad | maybe it's cut off by your uni or workplace |
| 10:38.53 | akashm1990 | I get http://imageshack.us/img/blocked_login.jpg |
| 10:39.05 | Talad | mmm |
| 10:39.10 | akashm1990 | No, I'm on an unrestricted connection |
| 10:39.26 | akashm1990 | thats an issue with imageshack, try using some other host |
| 10:39.29 | Talad | ouch interesting |
| 10:39.34 | Talad | does the link work for others? |
| 10:39.38 | |Kev| | Yep. |
| 10:40.17 | Talad | I didn't want to place it with an URL of one of our sites to avoid advertizing |
| 10:41.10 | Talad | akashm1990: I PMed you one on our site |
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| 10:56.36 | shahriman | talad: the student form link doesn work for me either |
| 10:56.46 | shahriman | same error as akashm1990 |
| 10:57.34 | Talad | mmm |
| 10:58.21 | Talad | shahriman: does this work? http://i.imgur.com/9prux.jpg |
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| 10:59.04 | Talad | socinfo learn studentform as This is an example of the student form as seen by students: http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4810/gsocstudent3.jpg or http://i.imgur.com/9prux.jpg (actual proposal form) |
| 10:59.04 | socinfo | Talad: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:59.20 | Talad | !studentform |
| 10:59.22 | socinfo | Talad: "studentform" is (#1) This is an example of the student form as seen by students: http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4810/gsocstudent3.jpg (actual proposal form), or (#2) This is an example of the student form as seen by students: http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4810/gsocstudent3.jpg or http://i.imgur.com/9prux.jpg (actual proposal form) |
| 10:59.25 | shahriman | Talad: yes. thanks |
| 10:59.41 | Talad | socinfo remove studentform |
| 10:59.49 | Talad | socinfo delete studentform |
| 10:59.54 | Talad | mmm |
| 11:00.01 | Talad | socinfo help |
| 11:00.02 | socinfo | Talad: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 11:00.18 | Talad | socinfo forget studentform |
| 11:00.18 | socinfo | Talad: Error: 2 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them. |
| 11:00.28 | Talad | socinfo forget studentform #1 |
| 11:00.28 | socinfo | Talad: Error: There is no such factoid. |
| 11:00.37 | Talad | socinfo forget studentform (#1) |
| 11:00.38 | socinfo | Talad: Error: There is no such factoid. |
| 11:00.47 | Talad | socinfo forget studentform * |
| 11:00.47 | socinfo | Talad: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:00.50 | shahriman | Talad: is this form just for atomic blue or does all org has similar application form? |
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| 11:00.55 | in3xes | socinfo forget studentform 1 |
| 11:00.55 | socinfo | in3xes: Error: There is no such factoid. |
| 11:00.59 | Talad | socinfo learn studentform as This is an example of the student form as seen by students: http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4810/gsocstudent3.jpg or http://i.imgur.com/9prux.jpg (actual proposal form) |
| 11:01.00 | socinfo | Talad: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:01.07 | Talad | !studentform |
| 11:01.09 | kai | Talad: actually it's just !forget studentform 1 |
| 11:01.09 | socinfo | Talad: "studentform" is This is an example of the student form as seen by students: http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4810/gsocstudent3.jpg or http://i.imgur.com/9prux.jpg (actual proposal form) |
| 11:01.18 | Talad | shahriman: all the same I think |
| 11:01.28 | Talad | that's the only one I tested |
| 11:01.44 | Talad | ok, thanks kai |
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| 11:03.04 | ojwb | hmm, getting a random org first again! |
| 11:03.19 | kai | hm? |
| 11:03.43 | ojwb | the new UI was showing a random org first in the list |
| 11:03.47 | ojwb | then they fixed it |
| 11:03.49 | ojwb | now it's back |
| 11:04.31 | kai | ah, right, no weird link_id... |
| 11:04.33 | ojwb | and 175 orgs now - I guess the final one completed their profile |
| 11:04.48 | ojwb | ecologylab here... |
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| 11:06.13 | kai | yeah, here as well |
| 11:06.17 | akashm1990 | Is the short description always publicly visible? or only after acceptance? |
| 11:06.48 | ojwb | finds a fun new game |
| 11:09.04 | akashm1990 | should I set my proposals to publicly visible to allow mentors to see it? |
| 11:09.14 | akashm1990 | *them |
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| 11:10.03 | |Kev| | akashm1990: Mntors can always see them. It's the general public affected by that tickbox. |
| 11:10.06 | |Kev| | +e |
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| 11:10.45 | akashm1990 | So, if I want to see someone else's submitted proposals(who have selected publicly visible), how would I do that? |
| 11:11.10 | |Kev| | Click the URL they gave you, I guess. |
| 11:11.42 | akashm1990 | ok... I thought publicly available meant anyone could see them |
| 11:11.51 | akashm1990 | not just those explicitly given a link |
| 11:12.16 | |Kev| | Not sure. |
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| 11:12.53 | bobbens | I think if you go to a project with public available ones you should be able to see them |
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| 11:13.57 | ojwb | I think in the past it just meant anyone with the link could view it |
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| 11:17.30 | vh4x0r | !next |
| 11:17.31 | socinfo | vh4x0r: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 11:17.37 | vh4x0r | !numapps |
| 11:17.38 | socinfo | vh4x0r: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
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| 11:19.34 | Talad | bobbens: tried now, and doesn't |
| 11:19.42 | Talad | I have one public app but it's not listed |
| 11:19.52 | Talad | personally I think it's better to have link only |
| 11:20.03 | Talad | meaning it's public if you have the link |
| 11:20.11 | Talad | but that's just personal view on it |
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| 11:24.32 | Nightrose | SRabbelier: you're a kde mentor now? :D |
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| 11:47.03 | Talad|Away | what's your take if multiple students apply for the same idea, and they are all good ones? |
| 11:47.22 | gevaerts | Find the best one :) |
| 11:47.27 | Talad|Away | my take is that if 2 will be approved on the same idea, then we can augment the scope and split it into 2 |
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| 11:47.49 | Talad | or approve both, then assign one of the two to another idea |
| 11:48.55 | gevaerts | You can't just tell a student to work on something else. You can suggest it though |
| 11:49.24 | gevaerts | And be very careful with splitting. Two projects shouldn't have dependencies between them |
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| 11:51.45 | |Kev| | If you can perfectly split them, though, go for it. |
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| 11:52.12 | |Kev| | Also: You could just have them do the same project at the same time (but not together) if the applications are *that* good. |
| 11:52.37 | |Kev| | The rules allow for it, but it's not something I'd have thought should be encouraged. |
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| 11:54.15 | Talad | gevaerts: "Two projects shouldn't have dependencies between them" |
| 11:54.20 | Talad | I'm interested into that comment |
| 11:54.43 | Talad | why you think should be no deps |
| 11:54.54 | Talad | I plan to have all students work together |
| 11:54.54 | Cazou | Talad: it's often the case though |
| 11:55.04 | Talad | everyone with his goals |
| 11:55.08 | thiago | what happens if one student fails or delays? |
| 11:55.10 | Talad | but in an integrated environment |
| 11:55.27 | Talad | thiago: ah, ok . you mean prerequisites |
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| 11:55.32 | thiago | dependencies |
| 11:55.40 | thiago | if student A depends on student B |
| 11:55.41 | Talad | like a piece stopping another |
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| 11:55.46 | Talad | yes, agreed |
| 11:55.51 | Talad | that we should watch out for |
| 11:55.57 | thiago | yes |
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| 11:56.06 | thiago | having them work on the same codebase is fine |
| 11:56.12 | thiago | even benefit from each other's work |
| 11:56.24 | thiago | but you should really avoid dependencies |
| 11:56.33 | Talad | agreed |
| 11:56.48 | Talad | I will keep that in mind on the startup |
| 11:56.52 | Raim | Talad: if you have multiple students applying for the same thing, suggest one to submit another proposal before the deadline |
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| 11:56.59 | |Kev| | Talad: No project should require work by anyone other than teh student beyond what has already been completed when they're accepted. |
| 11:57.19 | Raim | it would be a pity to loose a good student just because they applied for the same task |
| 11:57.20 | |Kev| | Beyond that they can all be in the same codebase or whatever. |
| 11:57.37 | Talad | Raim: correct, that's my issue atm |
| 11:57.45 | |Kev| | So long as they can't break each other's projects. |
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| 11:58.01 | |Kev| | It's fine to suggest students apply for other (or multiple) projects. |
| 11:58.07 | Talad | |Kev|: yes, needs a strong planned separation |
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| 11:59.18 | ojwb | there have been students who failed due to dependencies on particular hardware being available and it not being IIRC |
| 11:59.23 | ojwb | which really sucks all round |
| 11:59.29 | Z` | can students submit >1 proposal for the *same* organisation ? |
| 11:59.34 | |Kev| | Z`: Certainly. |
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| 11:59.42 | Z` | Thanks |Kev| |
| 11:59.53 | ojwb | Z`: it's good to talk to them first |
| 11:59.59 | ojwb | might save you some writing... |
| 12:00.10 | sfb | Z`: I find it helpful if a student whom does have multiple proposals for me says which one they prefer or ranks them. |
| 12:01.08 | wolfb | Z`, it is allowed, and some orgs even encourage you to, since it will allow them to pick you even if they have a very good app for one of your other proposals |
| 12:01.09 | Z` | alright -- would you (mentors) consider it as a sign of "not enough focused" ? |
| 12:01.23 | sfb | Z`: Depensd on the org/mentor and how many. |
| 12:01.35 | ojwb | if they were clearly all rushed I would |
| 12:01.36 | sfb | Z`: 2-3 is probably fine but any moer than that is not focused enough. |
| 12:01.47 | ojwb | if they're all good it's quite impressive! |
| 12:01.48 | sfb | Z`: Remember that the quality of the proposal matters more than most other factors. |
| 12:01.52 | wolfb | Z`, depends on how much effort you put into them ;) |
| 12:01.53 | Z` | yeh I was thinking more like: 2 |
| 12:02.02 | Z` | ok |
| 12:02.07 | sfb | Z`: So you're better off to have 2 really well written proposals than 3+ quickly written ones. |
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| 12:02.20 | ojwb | but if you talk to them, you might find they have 30 proposals for one idea already |
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| 12:03.24 | wolfb | sfb, +1 |
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| 12:04.03 | Z` | alright, thanks people |
| 12:04.05 | Z` | :) |
| 12:04.13 | sfb | Z`: np |
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| 12:05.07 | Talad | Z`: I will read that as more interest toward the organization, so welcomed. |
| 12:05.31 | Talad | unless you give a short proposal on everything :) |
| 12:05.38 | Talad | quality first |
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| 12:12.38 | socinfo | nss: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
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| 12:39.31 | cand | greetings, I'm trying to apply to gsoc. I created a google account and logged in, but see this text |
| 12:39.36 | cand | "Before you can apply to be a with an organization in Google Summer of Code, |
| 12:39.36 | cand | you must fill out this form in order create a profile." |
| 12:39.47 | cand | but there is no link to any form, nor to any profile |
| 12:40.20 | cand | also, I couldn't log in with Opera, had to use FF |
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| 12:41.23 | ojwb | cand: SRabbelier may be able to help |
| 12:41.48 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: sure am! |
| 12:41.53 | ojwb | a couple of other people have mentioned problems with opera - apparently it works better if you turn off stylesheets |
| 12:42.05 | cand | I'm ok using FF to do this for now :) |
| 12:42.20 | SRabbelier | cand: if your'e seeing that message you should fill out the form ont he page you're in |
| 12:42.25 | cand | there is no form |
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| 12:42.36 | SRabbelier | cand: screenshot? |
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| 12:44.10 | cand | screenshot at http://i53.tinypic.com/x4luuc.png |
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| 12:47.38 | cand | SRabbelier: what do you make of it? |
| 12:48.09 | SRabbelier | cand: fail on our part |
| 12:48.22 | SRabbelier | cand: scroll down and click the big orange button |
| 12:48.36 | cand | that's how I registered my google acc, no? |
| 12:48.50 | cand | ewwww, horrible corruption |
| 12:49.02 | marcg | SRabbelier, are students emailed if they get any comments on their proposals? |
| 12:49.04 | cand | wonder if it's ff, cairo, gtk or something else |
| 12:49.17 | SRabbelier | marcg: not yet |
| 12:49.27 | SRabbelier | cand: corruption? what? |
| 12:49.29 | marcg | ok |
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| 12:50.08 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: when i format a comment on a proposal and submit, the app trashes all my formatting and puts it into a single paragraph. is that intended? |
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| 12:50.40 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: aaaah, it's rendered as html, you know how html treats whitespace? |
| 12:50.45 | dberkholz | and yeah, echoing marcg's point re notifications. it was a huge pain last time when students never knew if they had an update |
| 12:50.46 | cand | SRabbelier, corruption screenshot from the register page: http://i56.tinypic.com/10nz32r.png |
| 12:51.03 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: oh, can i use a subset of html tags to get paragraphs then? |
| 12:51.16 | SRabbelier | cand: what the fff??? |
| 12:51.26 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: eh, no, but I can add that in a jiffy |
| 12:51.34 | cand | so, I can't log in in Opera, and can't exactly read the form in FF |
| 12:51.42 | cand | :P |
| 12:51.42 | aseem | cand, are you using th4 *latest* IE9 :P |
| 12:51.47 | aseem | the* |
| 12:51.49 | SRabbelier | cand: what monstrocity of a browser is that? |
| 12:51.52 | dberkholz | cand: that looks like a re-drawing issue, whether it's your graphics driver or browser |
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| 12:52.16 | cand | it's like the gods are not intending for me to register today |
| 12:52.17 | dberkholz | hmm, on 2nd thought maybe not. i don't see the same thing echoed twice |
| 12:52.23 | SRabbelier | cand: try turning off graphics acceleration, probably a graphics card bug? |
| 12:52.39 | dberkholz | just stacked text like it's not provviding enough space |
| 12:52.43 | hiemanshu | cand: try using chrome or something |
| 12:52.55 | cand | no. no offense to Goog, but I will not install chrome |
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| 12:53.04 | cand | will run ff in Xephyr |
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| 12:53.23 | solardiz | SRabbelier: hi! with the new UI, how do i edit our org's tags? |
| 12:53.30 | aseem | cand: why not chrome ? |
| 12:53.49 | cand | aseem, the privacy issues? |
| 12:53.52 | dbs | cand: chromium is an option on most linuxes |
| 12:54.07 | ojwb | solardiz: you can't currently - there's an open ticket for it |
| 12:54.17 | SRabbelier | solardiz: known missing feature, will add |
| 12:54.39 | solardiz | ojwb, SRabbelier: thanks! |
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| 12:55.00 | ojwb | is it just me, or is melange really slow right now |
| 12:55.01 | ojwb | ? |
| 12:55.24 | SRabbelier | cand: what ass-backward version of Fx is that btw? :P |
| 12:55.36 | cand | 2. something |
| 12:55.48 | dberkholz | two major versions back? sweet. |
| 12:55.54 | kai | ojwb: it's all the students hitting F5 |
| 12:56.12 | kai | ojwb: oh, wait, it's not results day yet |
| 12:56.14 | dberkholz | rofl kai. but so true, since we don't have notifications... |
| 12:56.17 | hiemanshu | cand: try using 1.x or something |
| 12:56.20 | hiemanshu | that might fix it |
| 12:56.30 | hiemanshu | runs and hids |
| 12:56.53 | dberkholz | i always thought firefox was better back when it was still firebird. |
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| 12:57.03 | ojwb | perhaps chello would work better? |
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| 12:57.16 | SRabbelier | cand: really? 2? :P |
| 12:57.20 | hiemanshu | hasn't used firefox for ages so doesn't know |
| 12:57.30 | hiemanshu | cand: if you are on linux there is midori or rekonq |
| 12:57.32 | ojwb | dberkholz: back when it was a small lightweight browser y'mean? |
| 12:57.47 | dberkholz | ojwb: yeah, maybe i should switch to dillo, or links -g.. |
| 12:57.59 | hiemanshu | dberkholz: write your own using webkit |
| 12:58.07 | hiemanshu | it should be 15 lines of code |
| 12:58.16 | solardiz | btw, the profile editors on new melange work fine with ELinks (surprised) |
| 12:58.17 | cand | no, still corruption in Xephyr |
| 12:58.18 | lucian | meh, epiphany is ok |
| 12:58.24 | cand | next: Xnest |
| 12:58.35 | lucian | midori .. isn't |
| 12:58.45 | lucian | chorme is nice, but still big |
| 12:58.48 | cand | hey, would lynx/links work? |
| 12:59.07 | solardiz | cand: i just used ELinks to edit our org's profile. no ill effects seen so far. ;-) |
| 12:59.12 | hiemanshu | cand: if it isnt a version that older than yourself yeah |
| 12:59.29 | ojwb | hmm, all page loads just time out |
| 12:59.48 | SRabbelier | ojwb: working ofr me |
| 12:59.49 | SRabbelier | **for |
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| 12:59.51 | ojwb | actually, just keep loading rather than time out, at least so far |
| 12:59.57 | ojwb | hmm, probably me then |
| 13:00.06 | cand | corruption even in Xnest, links next |
| 13:00.28 | SRabbelier | cand: can you try with a non-ancient browser? :) |
| 13:00.43 | solardiz | i think there's some CSS issue on the profile edit pages |
| 13:00.44 | cand | opera would qualify as such, no |
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| 13:00.52 | solardiz | which is why ELinks is not affected, but Firefox 2 is |
| 13:01.05 | SRabbelier | solardiz: any clue as to what? |
| 13:01.22 | hiemanshu | SRabbelier: use firebug console to see if it lists any errors |
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| 13:02.10 | ojwb | SRabbelier: thanks for confirming; socghop works anyway |
| 13:02.18 | SRabbelier | ojwb: curious |
| 13:02.37 | SRabbelier | hiemanshu: I assume Mario does that |
| 13:02.49 | ojwb | it's the repressive NZ government I bet |
| 13:02.50 | solardiz | SRabbelier: no, at least not without debugging. i'd try selectively removing the references to .css files from a saved copy of the html page... |
| 13:02.57 | solardiz | (to narrow it down) |
| 13:03.26 | SRabbelier | solardiz: I'll ask Mario to look at it |
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| 13:03.49 | SRabbelier | solardiz: Melange is tested regularly on recent Fx btw |
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| 13:07.04 | solardiz | SRabbelier: looks like it's in gsoc2011_files/forms.css |
| 13:07.20 | solardiz | oops, gsoc2011_files/ is obviously local to my test setup |
| 13:07.22 | solardiz | so just forms.css |
| 13:07.58 | SRabbelier | solardiz: on Fx 2? |
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| 13:08.10 | solardiz | tes |
| 13:08.11 | solardiz | yes |
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| 13:09.11 | cand | hey, finally ;) I could fill the form in links |
| 13:10.00 | SRabbelier | solardiz: can you send a screenshot of how it looks like without forms.css? |
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| 13:10.32 | solardiz | SRabbelier: with or without? that is, have you already reproduced the problem? |
| 13:10.34 | cand | aaaaaaand here it falls down |
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| 13:10.46 | cand | can't apply to an organization in links, due to no javascript |
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| 13:11.08 | cand | doesn't give a good impression when a google site fails in all browsers :( |
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| 13:11.21 | kai | cand: works for me in chrome ;) |
| 13:11.22 | MatthewWilkes | cand: The site requires javascript, yes |
| 13:11.26 | |Kev| | Works fine for me in Chrome and FF. |
| 13:11.51 | cand | that must even be in the gsoc FAQs "works for me is not a good answer", lol |
| 13:11.53 | blast007 | cand: from what you described, it sounds more like your system has issues and/or highly outdated software |
| 13:11.56 | solardiz | cand: if you're running into the same issue, maybe try saving the problematic html page and remove the reference to forms.css from it? |
| 13:11.58 | dberkholz | cand: so far i think you've managed to try every browser version with less than 1% of total market... |
| 13:12.06 | cand | well no IE on linux |
| 13:12.12 | cand | 56% or whatever |
| 13:12.16 | blast007 | get a newer firefox |
| 13:12.20 | |Kev| | cand: It disproves your claim that it doensn't work in any browser, though. |
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| 13:12.45 | cand | blast007, that would take some hours and a non-trivial amount of effort |
| 13:13.10 | socketguru | !next |
| 13:13.11 | socinfo | socketguru: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 13:13.16 | solardiz | wishes newer Firefox still worked on Linux 2.4 kernels ;-) |
| 13:13.24 | blast007 | cand: better get started then ;) |
| 13:13.30 | SRabbelier | cand: I'm sorry, we cannot offer support for ancient browsers that do not follow the standard, we'll try to support Firefox 2, but that might take some time |
| 13:13.41 | cand | Opera 11 certainly follows standards |
| 13:13.53 | SRabbelier | cand: if you submit a patch that fixes the site for your setup without breaking things for everybody else we'll gladly support it |
| 13:14.08 | SRabbelier | cand: We'll try to support Opera 11 as well |
| 13:14.11 | cand | I'm not a web coder, way out of my realm |
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| 13:14.30 | dbs | SRabbelier: I don't think even Mozilla still supports Firefox 2, it seems unreasonable to me for Melange to invest any resources chasing that target (speaking as a fairly rabid Linux FLOSS user) |
| 13:14.41 | cand | I don't expect FF2 support either |
| 13:14.49 | cand | I would expect support for the latest Opera though |
| 13:14.58 | SRabbelier | dbs: thanks |
| 13:15.03 | SRabbelier | ok, I"ll just ask about Opera then |
| 13:15.09 | SRabbelier | cand: screenshot of things not working in Opera? |
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| 13:16.50 | cand | SRabbelier: what happens in Opera when I try to login: http://i51.tinypic.com/qs8t38.png |
| 13:16.56 | cand | server error 500 from app engine |
| 13:17.49 | SRabbelier | cand: that's not something we can fix though |
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| 13:18.03 | SRabbelier | cand: have you tried followign the "report this" link? |
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| 13:18.34 | cand | SRabbelier, not yet; getting a gsoc application in was my first priority |
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| 13:24.30 | cand | yay, it's usable in FF with css disabled |
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| 13:26.12 | solardiz | SRabbelier: commenting out "position: absolute;" from "#form fieldset legend span" in forms.css solves the problem for me |
| 13:27.05 | SRabbelier | solardiz: nice debugging! |
| 13:27.09 | solardiz | it's line 452 here |
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| 13:27.35 | solardiz | SRabbelier: can you get this info to Mario or something?.. |
| 13:27.44 | SRabbelier | solardiz: yeah, doing that now |
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| 13:28.02 | aghisla | Is there a flowchart about student application procedure? (sorry if I missed it.) The one for gsoccability is really great. |
| 13:28.48 | SRabbelier | aghisla: nope, I only made one for the elegibility |
| 13:29.02 | SRabbelier | solardiz: removing that makes the legend look lame though :( |
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| 13:29.41 | SRabbelier | solardiz: compare http://awesomescreenshot.com/07ead8j0f vs http://awesomescreenshot.com/025ad8k82 |
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| 13:32.51 | solardiz | SRabbelier: i think the "top: -22px;" and "left: 10px;" need to be adjusted then, maybe along with addition of "position: relative;" |
| 13:33.23 | SRabbelier | solardiz: adjusted to? |
| 13:33.33 | cand | where can public proposals be viewed? |
| 13:33.45 | solardiz | SRabbelier: depends on desired look and testing in multiple browsers |
| 13:33.46 | Nightrose | aghisla: i have one on my blog |
| 13:33.56 | Nightrose | http://blog.lydiapintscher.de |
| 13:33.57 | kai | cand: you give people the url, and then they can view it |
| 13:33.57 | alison-b | Question about student application period: I see my project & name listed under "accepted projects" but I don't know how to edit what I proposed. (like last year) |
| 13:34.03 | Nightrose | but it is for kde and mentors as well |
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| 13:34.16 | solardiz | SRabbelier: i've just tried commenting out top and left as well, and things look reasonable to me, but you might disagree |
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| 13:34.32 | SRabbelier | alison-b: click it |
| 13:34.40 | SRabbelier | alison-b: wait what |
| 13:34.44 | SRabbelier | alinrus: where do you see that? |
| 13:34.53 | SRabbelier | solardiz: screenshot? :) |
| 13:35.06 | alison-b | SRabbelier: clicking doesn't work |
| 13:35.13 | ojwb | dberkholz: I see my comment with newlines ignored too - did you say yours fixed itself? |
| 13:35.22 | SRabbelier | alison-b: what url? might be you're looking in the wrongp lace |
| 13:35.44 | SRabbelier | ojwb: comments ignore whitespace atm, I'm adding TinyMCE to comments right now |
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| 13:35.57 | ankush | !next |
| 13:35.58 | socinfo | ankush: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 13:36.08 | ojwb | SRabbelier: ah, cool |
| 13:36.10 | alison-b | SRabbelier: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/list_projects/google/gsoc2010 |
| 13:37.09 | aghisla | Nightrose: thanks! |
| 13:37.25 | SRabbelier | alison-b: why are you looking there? |
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| 13:37.41 | SRabbelier | alison-b: go to your dashboard for this year to edit your current proposal |
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| 13:41.42 | solardiz | SRabbelier: actually, there are more display issues with my current changes - the darker background below "IM HANDLE" gets shifted (does not match the placement of input fields). so i'm afraid someone familiar with css (i'm not) and with this page's layout |
| 13:41.47 | solardiz | ...should work on this, not me |
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| 13:42.25 | SRabbelier | solardiz: as said earlier though, I don't think it's worth our time either (if it's such a pain to fix), what with Fx 2 being ancient |
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| 13:42.52 | solardiz | SRabbelier: ok. i just think that the issue might show up in other browsers as well, unless it's a browser bug, which i am not sure of. |
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| 13:43.14 | SRabbelier | solardiz: it's working in Fx 3.x and Fx 4.x though |
| 13:43.15 | solardiz | SRabbelier: also, a user-agent check and skipping of one line in the css file might be easy enough |
| 13:43.55 | solardiz | SRabbelier: the display in ff2 would not be pretty then, but at least the functionality would be there |
| 13:44.02 | SRabbelier | solardiz: if you submit a patch that does that we'll definitely accept it |
| 13:44.18 | cand | solardiz: do you also see the corruption? Or are you talking about some other issue? |
| 13:45.32 | solardiz | cand: i don't know what you saw, but with that "position: absolute;" line there are multiple elements displayed one on top of another, making it pretty much impossible to click the right things and difficult to see one's inputs |
| 13:46.09 | alison-b | SRabbelier: thx |
| 13:46.11 | solardiz | cand: like, hints on proper format are displayed right on top of the input fields, etc. |
| 13:46.31 | cand | I posted a screenshot above, this one: http://i56.tinypic.com/10nz32r.png |
| 13:46.45 | solardiz | cand: yes, that's it |
| 13:47.07 | cand | would be nice if you managed to fix that :) |
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| 13:47.23 | cand | of course, my preferred browser is Opera, so if I could only login in that... |
| 13:47.38 | solardiz | cand: well, maybe _you_ could create and submit a patch, then? ;-) |
| 13:47.47 | cand | for the 500 server error? |
| 13:47.56 | solardiz | cand: no, for text overrun |
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| 13:48.25 | solardiz | cand: i debugged this one down to one .css file line, now the task is simply skipping that line on browsers where this causes a problem (unless someone comes up with a better css fix) |
| 13:48.38 | cand | solardiz, I'd bet you can do that far faster than I |
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| 13:48.44 | SRabbelier | ojwb, scorche: comments are now of the tasty html variety |
| 13:48.50 | solardiz | cand: i'm not a melange developer. i've never seen the code. |
| 13:49.02 | cand | talking purely in css |
| 13:49.06 | SRabbelier | solardiz: css is the same in any codebase, no? |
| 13:49.12 | ojwb | darn, just after I submitted one |
| 13:49.17 | ojwb | but thanks |
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| 13:49.31 | SRabbelier | solardiz: the file is in soc/content/css/v2/gsoc/ if you're interested |
| 13:49.31 | solardiz | SRabbelier: sure, but checking browser type is not - you might already have a proper variable, etc. |
| 13:49.50 | SRabbelier | solardiz: nope, we do not :P |
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| 13:50.04 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: yay! |
| 13:50.07 | solardiz | anyhow, i'm out of time for this, sorry ;-) |
| 13:50.08 | SRabbelier | solardiz: but good point, you'd need the user agent somewhere |
| 13:50.12 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: ^__^ |
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| 13:50.19 | SRabbelier | also |
| 13:50.21 | SRabbelier | for you whiners |
| 13:50.25 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: both student and mentor, right? |
| 13:50.26 | SRabbelier | the timeline is now mirrored |
| 13:50.27 | unwesen | Hey all |
| 13:50.29 | SRabbelier | (e.g., clockwise) |
| 13:50.32 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: yeah |
| 13:50.33 | dberkholz | ah, sweet |
| 13:50.48 | dberkholz | i love developers who respond to suggestions |
| 13:50.53 | ojwb | SRabbelier: I noticed already |
| 13:51.02 | dennda | will students get an email notification or something if mentors add comments to their proposals? |
| 13:51.06 | unwesen | First impressions with gsoc: I can't enter my name on the melange website because it doesn't accept characters in my native language ... |
| 13:51.13 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: we do try :) |
| 13:51.22 | SRabbelier | unwesen: enter your proper name in the "Display name" section |
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| 13:51.30 | SRabbelier | dennda: not yet, that's what I'm going to work on now |
| 13:51.35 | ojwb | should students be getting email notifications of comments? |
| 13:51.38 | dennda | SRabbelier: that would be lovely |
| 13:51.40 | unwesen | I did :) |
| 13:51.54 | dennda | unwesen: your native language being? german? |
| 13:51.59 | unwesen | indeed |
| 13:52.10 | SRabbelier | ojwb: ditto |
| 13:52.10 | dennda | mueller? :P |
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| 13:52.29 | unwesen | nah... very much more unusual :D |
| 13:52.39 | ojwb | SRabbelier: ditto as in you're about to work on it? |
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| 13:53.30 | SRabbelier | ojwb: yes |
| 13:53.55 | shinnok | can I add a link to a google document and the afferent clarrification in the Content area of the proposal for an organization? reasons are formatting and such. |
| 13:54.21 | shinnok | the in page editor is quite limited in that sense. |
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| 13:54.58 | SRabbelier | shinnok: what are you missing? |
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| 13:56.27 | shinnok | SRabbelier, first of all it is quite small and only chrome can resize that though in that case it overflows under the blue background. |
| 13:56.50 | cand | FWIW, I could resize the editor fine in ff2 |
| 13:57.30 | cand | SRabbelier, thanks for your help |
| 13:57.49 | shinnok | SRabbelier, and then fonts, text background color, more list styles and line breaks. |
| 13:57.53 | SRabbelier | cand: Sorry I wasn't much more help |
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| 13:58.12 | SRabbelier | shinnok: you can use most html |
| 13:58.29 | cand | oh, just out of curiosity, what was supposed to happen in my first issue? (ie, "fill this form" and no form?) |
| 13:58.31 | shinnok | cand, uh, i got mislead by chrome then, indeed the resize is because of the editor not chrome. |
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| 13:59.51 | cand | ie, was that too because of the browser? |
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| 14:00.22 | shinnok | SRabbelier, i'll just copy paste my doc into the editor and provide the link to the google doc and pdf version in the "Additional info" edit box |
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| 14:00.47 | SRabbelier | shinnok: that works too |
| 14:00.56 | shinnok | SRabbelier, though some formatting is lost :( |
| 14:01.04 | SRabbelier | cand: I'm not sure what you're asking |
| 14:01.07 | shinnok | SRabbelier, nothing that can be fixed |
| 14:01.20 | shinnok | s/can/can\'t/ |
| 14:01.20 | SRabbelier | shinnok: ok :P |
| 14:01.22 | cand | I mean: was it on my side or not |
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| 14:01.37 | cand | would help the mood a bit if even one thing was not my fault :P |
| 14:01.38 | shinnok | SRabbelier, another quick question, no ssl for melange? |
| 14:02.12 | ganz | Hi |
| 14:02.40 | JaneWells | I was super excited about the 'invite by email' addition, but it looks like the person being invited still needs to have already set up a link_id. The error message just says "There is no user with that email address". It would be great if there could be a link to where they have to go to create a link_id, or even better, be able to send them an invite to create the link_id. |
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| 14:03.01 | SRabbelier | shinnok: do have, go to http://socghop.appspot.com (same site) |
| 14:03.06 | SRabbelier | shinnok: **https ofc |
| 14:03.25 | SRabbelier | JaneWells: glad you liked it, and I understand your point |
| 14:03.29 | JaneWells | so with the new admin ui, where do they go to create a link_id now? :) |
| 14:03.39 | SRabbelier | JaneWells: can you create a http://tinyurl.com/new-issue for that? |
| 14:03.47 | JaneWells | SRabbelier: sure |
| 14:03.49 | SRabbelier | JaneWells: they can sign up on the homepage |
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| 14:12.58 | imploder | I don't see my dashboard and profile in the left menu |
| 14:13.06 | imploder | http://i.nahraj.to/f/2bN.png |
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| 14:14.04 | bobbens | imploder: you need to register as a student |
| 14:14.33 | imploder | I am registered as a student, not mentor |
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| 14:15.09 | imploder | I saw it yesterday and today morning without problem |
| 14:16.22 | imploder | now it's OK. weird. |
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| 14:20.09 | bobbens | imploder: it's the rule of irc |
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| 14:20.17 | bobbens | state your problem on irc to have it magically fix itself |
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| 14:21.29 | bit___ | on the home page, it isn't possible to hover over the red part of the program timeline |
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| 14:22.04 | bit___ | well, technically it is, but it flip flops to the other side of the timeline |
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| 14:22.30 | amit | hello |
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| 14:23.01 | bit___ | hello amit |
| 14:25.22 | amit | your name? |
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| 14:26.18 | bit___ | my name is bit |
| 14:26.28 | bit___ | well, I guess bit___ |
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| 14:26.48 | ojwb | bit___: impressive tail you have there |
| 14:27.09 | bit___ | ojwb, thank you kindly |
| 14:27.17 | iamaregee | hey in the Submit proposal option ... this "Short description" is meant to contains synopsis of Project..right ?? |
| 14:27.17 | bit___ | it took me years to grow this thing |
| 14:27.26 | amit | okay |
| 14:27.31 | bit___ | iamaregee: I took it as a shorter version of the abstract |
| 14:27.34 | solardiz | too many bits out there, some have to wear tails to be noticed |
| 14:27.44 | ojwb | iamaregee: i believe that's show in the public list of accepted projects |
| 14:27.53 | bit___ | solardiz: I was wearing this tail before any other bits were out there~ |
| 14:28.02 | ojwb | so it needs to make sense without the body of the proposal |
| 14:28.09 | iamaregee | hmm..ohk.. |
| 14:28.11 | MatthewWilkes | iamaregee, bit___: It is the public bit to everyone, should be a few lines that summarises the project |
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| 14:29.27 | brlcad | SRabbelier: nice fix to the calendar, but February was missed ;) |
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| 14:29.31 | Triskelios | I think that particular image was missed when the wheel was reversed --> <bit___> well, technically it is, but it flip flops to the other side of the timeline |
| 14:29.44 | bit___ | Triskelios: thats what I had assumed |
| 14:29.49 | cygal | yeah, just a dot after google-melange.com |
| 14:30.13 | SRabbelier | brlcad: yeah, fix will be deployed with next release |
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| 14:30.27 | SRabbelier | brlcad: which will be in a few minutes :) |
| 14:30.32 | brlcad | cool ;) |
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| 14:30.57 | SRabbelier | brlcad: thanks for reporting though |
| 14:31.04 | brlcad | don't you love debugging and deploying with hundreds of eyes watching your every move and each having their own opinion on design? :) |
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| 14:31.21 | SRabbelier | brlcad: it's rather nice, actually |
| 14:31.24 | zwj | hello |
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| 14:31.28 | brlcad | "if you build it, they will complain" |
| 14:31.31 | Triskelios | bit___: heh, the updated image exists, the old URL is still on the page |
| 14:31.43 | zwj | how to find the information about past year gsoc |
| 14:31.51 | MatthewWilkes | starts a "1 million people against the new melange design" facebook group |
| 14:31.55 | MatthewWilkes | Like FB always gets |
| 14:31.55 | Triskelios | SRabbelier: want to fix the homepage to use http://www.google-melange.com/soc/content/2-0-20110329/images/v2/gsoc/image-map-kickoff.png ? |
| 14:32.22 | zwj | about my accepted gsoc information |
| 14:32.22 | bit___ | Triskelios: hah, whoops |
| 14:32.22 | Triskelios | instead of http://www.google-melange.com/soc/content/images/v2/gsoc/image-map-kickoff.png |
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| 14:33.10 | JanisB | commit gsoc site changes over #gsoc :) |
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| 14:33.26 | gevaerts | The calendar circle now goes the wrong way! |
| 14:33.28 | gevaerts | hides |
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| 14:40.45 | SRabbelier | Triskelios: yup, will be in the next release |
| 14:40.59 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: oh you...!!! |
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| 14:41.31 | sfb | just "liked" the "1 million people against the new melange design" group. |
| 14:42.00 | dberkholz | groups are such a good way to feel like you're doing something, when in actuality nobody cares =) |
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| 14:43.00 | sfb | I actually like the new design. |
| 14:43.47 | SRabbelier | sfb: thank you ^^ |
| 14:43.59 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: mh? |
| 14:44.17 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: joining facebook groups... |
| 14:44.23 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: ah |
| 14:44.28 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: seems like a bad idea in general |
| 14:44.38 | sfb | dberkholz: It's like that deal where everyone was like "help raise child abuse awareness by setting your profile icon to your favorite cartoon" |
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| 14:45.18 | hiemanshu | sfb: that was actually for pedophiles, dint read the report I assume? |
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| 14:45.48 | sfb | dberkholz: One of our friends did that and another snarky one replied back with "you know, I was just browsing Facebook and I saw your adorable Care Bears icon and I decided right then and there to set down my belt and not beat my child. Thank you for showing me how to be a great parent. Also, I just donated $25 to ... group" |
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| 14:46.53 | SRabbelier | Triskelios, brlcad: fixed |
| 14:47.01 | SRabbelier | with shiney version number at the bottom, too |
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| 14:48.10 | brlcad | ~SRabbelier++ |
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| 14:48.44 | kai | brlcad: why do you increase sverre's home dir? |
| 14:49.17 | brlcad | heh, I'm going for an overflow exploit :) |
| 14:49.21 | sfb | kai: Lets be fair. Everyone could use a higher quota on their home directory. |
| 14:49.53 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: sorry, I couldn't resist :) |
| 14:50.09 | SRabbelier | brlcad: tnx ^^ |
| 14:50.12 | dberkholz | hmm, this new scoring system is not going to work as well for us |
| 14:50.22 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: how so? |
| 14:50.30 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: we're addign a new way of accepting proposals btw |
| 14:50.36 | dberkholz | we used to be able to use the + and - numbers with the absolute value as a "weighting" of how much we liked/disliked it |
| 14:50.44 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: instead of working with scores, the admins select the orgs they want to accept and hit "accept" |
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| 14:51.21 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: you'll still be a ble to sort by score ofc |
| 14:51.26 | ArthurLiu | we (debian) are going to use a webapp off-melange that implement schulze-condorcet for voting applications |
| 14:51.27 | dberkholz | we can sort of do the same if we assume a score of 3 should be the standard for every proposal, with a little less flexibility |
| 14:52.16 | ArthurLiu | (we like simple solutions) |
| 14:52.46 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: I think that's the idea, yes |
| 14:52.54 | gevaerts | ArthurLiu: not simple email voting? :) |
| 14:53.02 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: given that the min is 1, and max is 5, give bad proposals 1 star, and good ones a 5 |
| 14:53.32 | ArthurLiu | I'm implementing it, I'm not an email traditionalist |
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| 14:54.00 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: basically, we used to reserve +4 and -4 for domain experts, and other people just used ±{1,2}. now we have one less possible value |
| 14:54.23 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: we can make it six stars? xD |
| 14:54.29 | ojwb | 11! |
| 14:54.30 | ArthurLiu | 11 |
| 14:54.35 | ojwb | wins |
| 14:54.35 | SRabbelier | yahhahahaha |
| 14:54.43 | gevaerts | Can you make it configurable? |
| 14:54.44 | SRabbelier | ojwb: you get a cookie |
| 14:54.58 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: heh, that would be a little unusual. but 10 would be a nice round number and more helpful to us |
| 14:55.04 | ojwb | btw, if you've not already seen it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088258/ |
| 14:55.09 | ojwb | cool little in joke |
| 14:55.10 | ArthurLiu | can we replace stars with per-mentor ranking + implement schulze-condorcet? :) |
| 14:55.10 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: and then have some geek set it to 100? |
| 14:55.24 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: I was thinking 256 |
| 14:55.33 | gevaerts | Implemented using 8 star icons :) |
| 14:55.35 | SRabbelier | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbVKWCpNFhY |
| 14:55.41 | ArthurLiu | then no one can complain about the final ranking because no one understands how the result is computed |
| 14:55.44 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: lol |
| 14:55.45 | ojwb | it was kind of nice to be able to just nudge proposals negative to signal "don't want this" clearly |
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| 14:56.47 | SRabbelier | ojwb: the ED guys decreed that negative voting is a tad confusing :) |
| 14:56.52 | SRabbelier | ojwb: can't say I disagree with them there |
| 14:57.00 | SRabbelier | but having a wider range of voting should be possible |
| 14:57.08 | ojwb | SRabbelier: as confusing as double negatives? |
| 14:57.18 | SRabbelier | ojwb: right |
| 14:57.24 | ArthurLiu | floating point votes |
| 14:57.40 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: -_-" |
| 14:58.10 | SRabbelier | snorts |
| 14:58.14 | SRabbelier | you can already do that |
| 14:58.16 | SRabbelier | just forge the post request |
| 14:58.44 | SRabbelier | we're not checking the value range |
| 14:58.51 | SRabbelier | you can even submit negative scores already :P |
| 14:58.54 | gevaerts | gives 2.2250738585072012e-308 stars |
| 14:59.10 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: should be possible |
| 14:59.36 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: no parsing error? :) |
| 15:00.48 | gevaerts | refers to http://www.exploringbinary.com/java-hangs-when-converting-2-2250738585072012e-308/ and http://www.exploringbinary.com/php-hangs-on-numeric-value-2-2250738585072011e-308/ |
| 15:01.02 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: if python's int() will accpet it, should work :) |
| 15:01.35 | ross | anybody from cse here |
| 15:01.38 | gevaerts | It dos |
| 15:01.41 | gevaerts | Pity |
| 15:01.46 | gevaerts | !anyone |
| 15:01.47 | socinfo | gevaerts: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 15:01.51 | gevaerts | ross: ^ |
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| 15:04.48 | ross | can anybody tell me how to create an account in cse so that i can access my template and other features |
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| 15:06.50 | kai | SRabbelier: I'd argue that having to give one star to a sucky proposal isn't really intuitive either :) |
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| 15:08.19 | sonit | i am getting error while registering on "http://www.google-melange.com/" as "fix the errors below".. but there are no errors shown?... :( |
| 15:09.18 | rCurtis | Could anyone answer what the basic level of programming knowledge is required to apply? |
| 15:09.39 | downeym | rCurtis: Every organization and project idea is different. |
| 15:09.43 | gevaerts | !goodenough |
| 15:09.45 | socinfo | gevaerts: "goodenough" is Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/am-i-good-enough/ |
| 15:09.47 | SRabbelier | kai: in high school, you get a 1 for your work if it's a failure :) |
| 15:09.52 | SRabbelier | kai: in .nl anyway |
| 15:10.01 | rCurtis | thanks a bunch |
| 15:10.04 | aghisla | you can get 0 if you didn't write anything |
| 15:10.25 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: I'm used to 1 if you managed to write your name correctly, 0 if you didn't even manage that :) |
| 15:10.28 | SRabbelier | aghisla: you usually get a 1 for turning in a paper with your name :) |
| 15:10.33 | MatthewWilkes | If you'll excuse the crudity, it's like rating attractiveness. There is no such thing as a 10 and no such thing as a 0 |
| 15:10.39 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: yeah, and since students can't fail at that, a 1 is fine |
| 15:10.46 | aghisla | not for my math professor in high school :) |
| 15:10.49 | kai | SRabbelier: here it's a six |
| 15:11.04 | SRabbelier | kai: I think you'll be able to mange the mental conversion, yes? :) |
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| 15:11.13 | MatthewWilkes | In england the grades at GCSE level are: A*, A, B, C, D, E, F, G, U, X |
| 15:11.18 | MatthewWilkes | You get an X if you do nothing |
| 15:11.19 | atagar | At what point does google assign the tentative number of slots per org? Oddly it's not on the timeline. |
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| 15:11.39 | aghisla | what is U? |
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| 15:11.52 | mart | hello, can anybody help? |
| 15:12.14 | SRabbelier | atagar: usually a few days before slots are announced |
| 15:12.14 | mart | i need to now which linkID to provide during registration |
| 15:12.26 | MatthewWilkes | aghisla: the fail grade |
| 15:12.34 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: A* means "is good at searching for the answer"? |
| 15:12.39 | atagar | SRabbelier: you mean before student acceptance is announced? |
| 15:12.55 | mart | yes |
| 15:13.05 | MatthewWilkes | aghisla: A*-C are considered good, D-G are considered bad but still count, U and X are fails |
| 15:13.25 | mart | ther are two fields |
| 15:13.29 | MatthewWilkes | The joke about the University of Central England was that it was named after the grades you need to get in. UCE |
| 15:13.48 | greggy | just invited a new admin to join our project, who accepted. The invite shows as not yet replied, but the only option whn reviewing the accepted invite is "withdraw". There doesn't seem to be an accept or reply option. What am I missing? |
| 15:13.50 | dberkholz | atagar: after the student deadline, when they know how many applications each org got |
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| 15:13.56 | mart | one should contain a linkID, the other an ASCII Public name |
| 15:13.59 | aghisla | MatthewWilkes: :P |
| 15:14.17 | SRabbelier | greggy: the admin needs to accept it |
| 15:14.27 | greggy | I am an admin |
| 15:14.27 | SRabbelier | greggy: to-be-admin |
| 15:14.50 | SRabbelier | greggy: to prevent the "facebook groups" conundrum ;) |
| 15:15.12 | rCurtis | anyone else new here and nervous about which project to apply to? |
| 15:15.13 | atagar | dberkholz: fantastic, thanks |
| 15:15.22 | desti_T2 | how many students got sponsored last year? |
| 15:15.34 | greggy | SRabbelier: not following |
| 15:15.38 | dberkholz | !numapps |
| 15:15.39 | socinfo | dberkholz: "numapps" is 417 mentoring orgs applied and 175 were accepted this year. In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by 3464 students, and 1026 were accepted |
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| 15:16.23 | SRabbelier | greggy: you invited someoen to become an admin |
| 15:16.28 | SRabbelier | greggy: that person needs to accept the inivtation |
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| 15:17.38 | greggy | SRabbelier: I suppose I wrongly assumed it was accepted. nevermind. Thx |
| 15:17.53 | mart | i know there was a message on gsoc discuss, where someone else need to know what linkID to provide |
| 15:17.59 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: is there a way to view proposals ranked by score yet? |
| 15:18.01 | kai | rCurtis: what are you interested in? |
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| 15:18.15 | mart | i heard that this is comming from the organisation |
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| 15:18.33 | mart | but i cannot find a OBF linkID |
| 15:18.35 | mart | :( |
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| 15:18.51 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: no, Lennard is on it though |
| 15:19.17 | mart | @rCurtis, yes i am interested in the open bioinformatics foundation OBF |
| 15:19.49 | rCurtis | @kai sec |
| 15:20.03 | dberkholz | coolio. |
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| 15:21.17 | kai | rCurtis: is this something you need to discuss in a query? |
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| 15:21.45 | rCurtis | kai: sorry im not very familiar with IRC |
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| 15:22.54 | kai | rCurtis: no worries, that's why I was asking :) |
| 15:23.13 | kai | rCurtis: in general, asking in the channel will allow more people to answer :) |
| 15:23.14 | SRabbelier | is a value between 1 and 12 fair for the #stars? |
| 15:23.39 | kai | but..but.. that's not a power of 2 :( |
| 15:23.44 | rCurtis | @kai ah ok thanks |
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| 15:25.55 | kai | SRabbelier: I think it's an issue we can bikeshed over for ages :) |
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| 15:34.04 | SRabbelier | either way |
| 15:34.06 | SRabbelier | deploying now |
| 15:34.19 | SRabbelier | also reintroducing the "disable scoring" feature |
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| 15:34.39 | |Kev| | Out of interest, can admins score while scoring is disabled? |
| 15:35.04 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: no |
| 15:35.11 | |Kev| | Ta. |
| 15:35.16 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: but they will be able to accept still |
| 15:35.20 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: I can add that if you want |
| 15:35.34 | |Kev| | Was just idle curiosity. |
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| 15:37.49 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: awesome, thanks for more stars |
| 15:38.20 | kai | gives SRabbelier a gold star |
| 15:38.25 | |Kev| | Now with 140% more stars. |
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| 15:38.54 | SRabbelier | kai: tnq ^^ |
| 15:38.56 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: hehe |
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| 15:39.44 | akashm1990 | I've submitted 2 applications, one of them has Average score: |
| 15:39.45 | akashm1990 | My score: at the bottom, the other does not |
| 15:39.56 | akashm1990 | any idea why? |
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| 15:40.20 | SRabbelier | akashm1990: one is scored, the other is not |
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| 15:40.22 | SRabbelier | wait |
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| 15:40.24 | SRabbelier | that's public? |
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| 15:40.32 | akashm1990 | The values are blank |
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| 15:42.08 | SRabbelier | akashm1990: screenshot? |
| 15:42.16 | SRabbelier | akashm1990: ah, nvm |
| 15:42.16 | akashm1990 | 2min |
| 15:42.17 | SRabbelier | I know |
| 15:42.24 | akashm1990 | ok |
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| 15:45.47 | SRabbelier | akashm1990: check now please |
| 15:46.29 | akashm1990 | SRabbelier, its gone now... |
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| 15:46.38 | SRabbelier | akashm1990: phew |
| 15:46.41 | SRabbelier | akashm1990: thanks for reporting that |
| 15:46.46 | mart | ok sol |
| 15:46.50 | mart | ved |
| 15:46.52 | akashm1990 | you could have let us see our score... |
| 15:46.53 | marcg | SRabbelier, wowza, that could have beenbad |
| 15:46.59 | SRabbelier | akashm1990: no, those are private |
| 15:47.00 | mart | q() |
| 15:47.02 | SRabbelier | marcg: indeed 0.O |
| 15:47.21 | mart | Quit |
| 15:47.22 | marcg | though, like akashm1990, I wish I had seen my score :P |
| 15:47.38 | SRabbelier | marcg: wouldn't tell you anything |
| 15:47.41 | ojwb | doesn't mean much unless you know all the scores |
| 15:47.42 | akashm1990 | marcg, maybe not, mine was 0 |
| 15:47.44 | SRabbelier | marcg: almost all orgs use scoring differently |
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| 15:47.50 | akashm1990 | but avg was also 0 |
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| 15:47.53 | SRabbelier | akashm1990: that just means it wasn't scored yet |
| 15:48.03 | ojwb | and at this point, probably only one or two mentors would have scored |
| 15:48.05 | ojwb | if any |
| 15:48.13 | akashm1990 | no, the other application didnt have this field at all |
| 15:48.27 | dberkholz | since it's impossible for us to score zero, it was just some weirdness in the code |
| 15:48.41 | akashm1990 | dberkholz, then its a different story |
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| 15:48.48 | SRabbelier | akashm1990: that's because they were only showing up by accident |
| 15:48.48 | ojwb | wonders why student applications seem to get numbered 1 and then 1001 |
| 15:49.01 | SRabbelier | ojwb: they are? |
| 15:49.03 | SRabbelier | heh |
| 15:49.05 | SRabbelier | ojwb: ask appengine :) |
| 15:49.16 | SRabbelier | ojwb: it probalby reserves blocks of 1000 ids at a time or something |
| 15:49.18 | sonit | mart: have you got what to enter in linkid field? please help.. |
| 15:49.22 | marcg | and then 1001001 for 3? |
| 15:49.40 | SRabbelier | marcg: only one way to find out |
| 15:49.53 | marcg | hah |
| 15:50.02 | ojwb | SRabbelier: same student has submitted twice to us, and they're 1 and 1001 |
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| 15:50.14 | ojwb | I assume he didn't file 999 in between |
| 15:50.18 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: are ways to mark spam applications coming? |
| 15:50.24 | dberkholz | we already got one |
| 15:50.27 | ojwb | or she |
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| 15:51.40 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: uh, we can add a button for that, yeah :) |
| 15:51.53 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: just ignore them for now? |
| 15:52.29 | dberkholz | yeah, we're just one-starring them |
| 15:52.47 | ojwb | that's true, we use to score those to < 0 so they were ignored for slots, etc |
| 15:52.47 | dberkholz | no doubt the same user's sending that thing to 100 orgs though |
| 15:53.12 | marcg | I am confused as to how the spam application even works. How specific are they? |
| 15:53.17 | marcg | applications* |
| 15:53.23 | ojwb | they don't work |
| 15:53.28 | marcg | :P |
| 15:53.37 | SRabbelier | ojwb: slotting will be easier this year though |
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| 15:53.40 | marcg | I meant to ask what content they have |
| 15:53.46 | SRabbelier | ojwb: no more vagueness |
| 15:53.52 | SRabbelier | ojwb: just explicitly marking a proposal for acceptance |
| 15:53.54 | marcg | like, is the abstract just really ague? |
| 15:53.56 | marcg | vague* |
| 15:53.58 | |Kev| | We used to have one admin pre- -1 stuff that wasn't worth considering, and then the mentors could ignore stuff later. |
| 15:54.07 | ojwb | SRabbelier: I mean for the distribution |
| 15:54.08 | |Kev| | I don't say we have to stick with the same approach, we can adapt :) |
| 15:54.20 | SRabbelier | ojwb: oh, right *nod* |
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| 15:54.37 | ojwb | though perhaps they just get split between the 5 on the front page |
| 15:54.41 | SRabbelier | ojwb: I'll ask Carol whether it's important or not, since she said they didn't really look at #proposals _that_ much |
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| 15:54.56 | SRabbelier | ojwb: -_-" |
| 15:55.12 | dberkholz | marcg: oh, some guy left our application template there, and pasted a two-sentence description about how he wants to implement a gmail clone using oracle |
| 15:55.21 | ojwb | SRabbelier: I got the impression that the document was increasingly inaccurate in that regard from remarks lh and chris have made |
| 15:55.31 | marcg | dberkholz, ah I see |
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| 15:55.42 | |Kev| | aI would be interested in seeing how the distribution between the five endorsed orgs this year vs. everyone else compares to previous years. |
| 15:55.50 | dberkholz | same here. |
| 15:55.53 | |Kev| | (Distribution of apps) |
| 15:55.55 | amit | what should be write up there in IM Network option in GSOC form? |
| 15:55.55 | SRabbelier | ojwb: true |
| 15:56.03 | SRabbelier | ojwb: You can ask Carol to update it if you dare |
| 15:56.04 | dberkholz | i'm less than excited about the non-rotation of those |
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| 15:56.18 | ojwb | will send a patch... |
| 15:56.20 | |Kev| | dberkholz: Well, I'm assuming they're Google-endorsed for a reason. |
| 15:56.21 | dberkholz | the osuosl folks have rotating logos, maybe you could steal code from them |
| 15:56.21 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: you want me to work on that instead of notifications? |
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| 15:56.29 | SRabbelier | ojwb: only so many hours in a day |
| 15:56.35 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: nope,, just tryin to keep you busy =) |
| 15:56.38 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: ^ |
| 15:56.44 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: succeeding |
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| 15:57.08 | amit | what should be write up there in IM Network option in GSOC form? |
| 15:57.10 | amit | what should be write up there in IM Network option in GSOC form? |
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| 15:57.28 | cycL0 | lol |
| 15:57.35 | marcg | iron hand you have, SRabbelier |
| 15:57.43 | SRabbelier | marcg: that's how I roll |
| 15:57.43 | cycL0 | :D |
| 15:57.51 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: I think I crossed conversation streams there - was your reply to dberkholz meaning that I'd misunderstood and those orgs aren't being endorsed? |
| 15:58.00 | ojwb | dberkholz: i know - we all submit patches to add our own org to the list of logos |
| 15:58.08 | SRabbelier | ok, so notification of: 1 new proposals, 2. proposal updates, 3. public comments, 4. private comments 5. new requests |
| 15:58.09 | ojwb | and as they apply them, the list gets rotated |
| 15:58.16 | SRabbelier | any ones I missed? |
| 15:58.16 | |Kev| | If that's the case, I'd strongly support rotating who's shown there - I assumed they were picked based on past success or something. |
| 15:58.23 | piyush_goyal | how should I send the application to google ? |
| 15:58.33 | piyush_goyal | should I mail it or what? |
| 15:58.36 | marcg | piyush_goyal, do you have a carrier pigeon? |
| 15:58.50 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: I think that covers everything, thanks. |
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| 15:59.12 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1135 |
| 15:59.24 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: they were |
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| 15:59.26 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: but still |
| 15:59.41 | SRabbelier | piyush_goyal: read the FAQ |
| 15:59.41 | piyush_goyal | lol..... |
| 15:59.42 | SRabbelier | !faq |
| 15:59.44 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 15:59.56 | piyush_goyal | all I meant was where should i mail to? |
| 16:00.03 | dberkholz | |Kev|: they were, sort of, but not in any obviously systematic way. |
| 16:00.10 | lars_kurth | SRabbelier: 1-5 would make life much easier. Maybe also a notification when a new request comes in (e.g. new mentor) |
| 16:00.15 | bobbens | piyush_goyal: you don't have to mail anything at this stage |
| 16:00.16 | dberkholz | |Kev|: not just the top 5 by # of slots, or passing percentage |
| 16:00.32 | SRabbelier | lars_kurth: that's 5? |
| 16:00.50 | lars_kurth | Sorry: you are right |
| 16:01.03 | SRabbelier | dberkholz, |Kev|: what dberkholz, said |
| 16:01.08 | SRabbelier | lars_kurth: cool |
| 16:01.36 | SRabbelier | allright, so I'm defaulting all these to True |
| 16:01.47 | SRabbelier | now is the time to scream over that |
| 16:01.54 | SRabbelier | (after which I will proceed to ignore that) |
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| 16:03.09 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: So, roughly, this is in hand and it'll become random when someone gets you a round tuit? |
| 16:03.25 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: right |
| 16:03.28 | rryan | hey melange hackers -- my org invited me to be both an admin and a mentor. I accepted the admin, but now when accepting the mentor request, I get "You cannot be a mentor for Mixxx to access this page." as the response. Any idea what the issue is? |
| 16:03.38 | |Kev| | I've been trying not to complain about the endorsements, but it does seem like a fairly not great idea :) |
| 16:03.41 | |Kev| | Thanks. |
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| 16:03.59 | gevaerts | rryan: being an admin implies being a mentor |
| 16:04.06 | rryan | gevaerts : gotcha, thanks |
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| 16:04.27 | marcg | emacs ftw |
| 16:04.40 | SRabbelier | lol |
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| 16:09.00 | wolfpack | Hi, I have one doubt about submitting the application/proposal to organization. Are we allowed to edit the proposal before April 8? |
| 16:09.11 | marcg | wolfpack, certainly |
| 16:09.13 | SukhE | Yes |
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| 16:10.28 | wolfpack | after submitting? |
| 16:10.33 | marcg | yup |
| 16:10.44 | marcg | there is a big orange "update" button |
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| 16:11.13 | wolfpack | Ok. Thanks marcg :) |
| 16:11.21 | marcg | no problem ;) |
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| 16:14.25 | scaraffe | is there any person related to typo3 ? |
| 16:14.45 | marcg | is that an org? |
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| 16:15.00 | kai | !anyone |
| 16:15.01 | socinfo | kai: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 16:15.08 | kai | scaraffe: ^ |
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| 16:15.35 | SRabbelier | kai: how about that ubuntu bot |
| 16:15.36 | SRabbelier | ? |
| 16:15.53 | harlan | Anybody else at #NASAoss? |
| 16:15.58 | SRabbelier | kai: then we could just do: "!anyone > scaraffe" |
| 16:16.10 | harlan | Anybody else here at ... |
| 16:16.12 | marcg | whoa, that is some fancy feature right there |
| 16:16.34 | SRabbelier | marcg: it's very useful too |
| 16:16.42 | SRabbelier | marcg: kai just needs to install a better bot ;) |
| 16:16.43 | marcg | would it only show up to them? |
| 16:17.14 | marcg | also, are there docs for the bot? |
| 16:17.40 | SRabbelier | marcg: the current one? yeah, although I forget the name :) |
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| 16:17.49 | marcg | would kai know? |
| 16:18.03 | SRabbelier | marcg: sure |
| 16:18.04 | hiemanshu | SRabbelier: supybot? |
| 16:18.10 | SRabbelier | marcg: ^ |
| 16:18.14 | marcg | roger that |
| 16:18.27 | hiemanshu | the some one ubuntu and fedora uses |
| 16:18.36 | hiemanshu | same* |
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| 16:19.42 | kd | hello, we have to propose project to any org from their ideas right..? |
| 16:19.51 | SRabbelier | hiemanshu: apparently they have a different plugin then |
| 16:19.55 | marcg | kd, you can propose any project at all |
| 16:20.54 | kd | actually, i have no idea.. :P |
| 16:20.54 | hiemanshu | SRabbelier: yes, most of them write their own |
| 16:21.11 | hiemanshu | SRabbelier: we have one in fedora where we can get user info from the fedora servers and stuff like that |
| 16:21.12 | kd | i have shortlisted some from ASF ideas page |
| 16:21.13 | SRabbelier | hiemanshu: so perhaps we can get their plugin then ^^ |
| 16:21.22 | hiemanshu | SRabbelier: if you ask them |
| 16:21.55 | SRabbelier | hiemanshu: I assume it's open source somewhere? |
| 16:22.13 | hiemanshu | SRabbelier: It should be |
| 16:22.21 | sfb | We use supybot. It's open source. |
| 16:22.32 | sfb | We have it set up to run RSS feeds into the channel. |
| 16:22.34 | sfb | Iz nice. |
| 16:22.38 | kd | marcg: so if its their idea.. why do i have to describe it in proposal? |
| 16:22.55 | marcg | kd, so they know you know what you are talking about |
| 16:23.12 | hiemanshu | kd: so they understand that you understood their idea, and helps them understand what you really understood |
| 16:23.20 | harlan | what group, kd? |
| 16:23.26 | marcg | socinfo: list |
| 16:23.27 | socinfo | marcg: Admin, Channel, Config, Factoids, Misc, Owner, and User |
| 16:23.41 | SRabbelier | kd: because you're not supposed to just copy the idea verbatim |
| 16:23.45 | SRabbelier | kd: it's a starting ground mostly |
| 16:23.45 | marcg | socinfo: list Misc |
| 16:23.45 | socinfo | marcg: apropos, help, last, list, more, ping, source, tell, and version |
| 16:24.21 | kd | ohk, thanks ppl.. m submitting one now. |
| 16:24.31 | marcg | good luck! |
| 16:24.33 | harlan | kd: talk to them, too. |
| 16:24.37 | sfb | kd: My ideas are guidelines, the basic specification. It is y our job as a student to reiterate in your own words the summary and goals of the project as well as describe your intended implementation. For example we require that you specify your milestones/deliveables and your schedule. It's not just regurgitating the orgs idea but putting forward your own project plan to implement that idea. |
| 16:24.59 | marcg | socinfo: list Factoids |
| 16:25.00 | socinfo | marcg: change, forget, info, learn, lock, random, search, unlock, and whatis |
| 16:25.20 | kai | marcg: can you play with the bot in a query please? |
| 16:25.31 | marcg | err, yeah, sorry |
| 16:25.43 | kai | SRabbelier: that's a different plugin |
| 16:25.43 | sfb | Some peoples children, geez. (; |
| 16:25.55 | harlan | thinks #ntp might use a supybot too, and we are looking for a 'bot wrangler' |
| 16:26.10 | marcg | wait, kai, what is a query? |
| 16:26.18 | hiemanshu | marcg: /query socinfo |
| 16:26.23 | marcg | thanks |
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| 16:26.40 | kai | SRabbelier: the plugin ubuntu uses requires people to have an account with the bot to be able to change factoids |
| 16:26.49 | kai | SRabbelier: I'm not sure we want that |
| 16:26.50 | hiemanshu | kai: I thought they used an edited version of factoid |
| 16:27.06 | kai | I kind of liked the fact that anyone could add factoids here |
| 16:27.50 | sfb | I missed part of this bot conversation. What is the desired feature? |
| 16:27.58 | kai | I'll gladly try out a patched version of either ubuntu's plugin or the stock factoid plugin that supports the "| nick" syntax without me having to deal with user management |
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| 16:28.06 | harlan | it's a benefit to be able to add them easily until "unwanted" factoids are entered... |
| 16:28.21 | kai | then you can remove them |
| 16:28.23 | harlan | and thn you need folks with the time and the easy ability to get rid of the cruft. |
| 16:28.39 | kai | everyone can remove factoids |
| 16:28.43 | terietor | hello |
| 16:28.44 | kai | and it hasn't been abused so far |
| 16:28.51 | terietor | i want to apply for gsoc |
| 16:29.00 | sfb | terietor: That's great to hear. |
| 16:29.00 | marcg | terietor, good to hear |
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| 16:29.14 | terietor | but i receive the error that the url at the id is wrong |
| 16:29.16 | terietor | http://www.opensuse.org/en/ |
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| 16:29.21 | terietor | what is wrong? |
| 16:29.40 | kai | anyway, time to go home for me |
| 16:29.45 | marcg | bye kai |
| 16:29.45 | sfb | kai: ttyl |
| 16:29.57 | sfb | terietor: I don't follow. Where are you getting that error? |
| 16:30.09 | terietor | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/student/google/gsoc2011# |
| 16:30.12 | terietor | here |
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| 16:31.13 | oy | terietor: the former url works fine here - just openSUSE |
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| 16:31.28 | terietor | yes |
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| 16:31.44 | terietor | the first field |
| 16:31.56 | terietor | asks for a link id |
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| 16:32.12 | marcg | it is asking you for a personal one |
| 16:32.16 | marcg | one that will identify you |
| 16:32.21 | oy | the google page requires a linkID to apply as a GSoC student |
| 16:32.35 | sfb | A linkid is sort of like a username. |
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| 16:33.19 | marcg | I'ma head out, see you guys later |
| 16:33.25 | terietor | so,do i need something like terietor? |
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| 16:33.31 | marcg | terietor, yeah |
| 16:33.46 | terietor | it doesn't accept it either |
| 16:34.12 | oy | terietor: you need to register the linkID first |
| 16:34.18 | terietor | oh |
| 16:35.02 | terietor | where can i create one? |
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| 16:41.07 | terietor | can u tell me where i can create a linkID? |
| 16:41.11 | oy | terietor: good question, I dont find a page for creating the linkID |
| 16:41.26 | terietor | so? |
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| 16:41.51 | oy | !linkid |
| 16:43.01 | terietor | what should i do now? |
| 16:43.11 | oy | terietor: search |
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| 16:44.48 | Sh4wn | terietor click on any organisation |
| 16:44.54 | Sh4wn | and you'll find a button register |
| 16:45.12 | SITZ | SRabbelier: is the problem of duplicate entries in applications mended ? |
| 16:45.14 | Sh4wn | once you registered, you'll find the button submit proposal |
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| 16:45.55 | gicmo | quick question (I googled around and cannot find any answer currently): is it ok to be mentor for two orgas? |
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| 16:46.17 | |Kev| | gicmo: Kinda. |
| 16:46.18 | oy | gicmo: yes |
| 16:46.29 | gicmo | I take this as Kinda yes |
| 16:46.30 | gicmo | ;-) |
| 16:46.31 | gicmo | thanks |
| 16:46.33 | |Kev| | gicmo: Yes, you can be, but you should really consider whether you're able to effectively mentor two students. |
| 16:46.49 | |Kev| | gicmo: If it's your first time mentoring, you should certainly not do this, otherwise you should consider strongly :) |
| 16:47.09 | gicmo | |Kev|, tried _that_ before and did not very well ... I just wanna help doing the evaluation of proposals for both orgas |
| 16:47.13 | gevaerts | Being a mentor in two orgs for reviewing proposals is fine. For the actual mentoring, think first |
| 16:47.25 | SITZ | help! |
| 16:47.31 | |Kev| | gicmo: Oh, right. No problems there :) |
| 16:47.34 | gicmo | thanks guys! |
| 16:49.08 | mithridates | hi,I'm an international student in canada and my nationality is iranian, I want to know if I am eligible to participate or not regarding to this paragraph http://bit.ly/h7xmdM |
| 16:49.26 | SITZ | help ! help ! help ! help ! help ! |
| 16:49.40 | |Kev| | SITZ: Try for a higher SNR, please. What do you need help with? |
| 16:50.02 | SITZ | hmm |
| 16:50.20 | SITZ | |Kev|: i had a weird problem yesterday with applcations |
| 16:50.32 | |Kev| | Is this going to be a #melange question? |
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| 16:51.06 | scaraffe | SITZ, : opps whats that , let me help i am from technical dep |
| 16:51.07 | SITZ | whenever I update my proposal for same project idea.,. it keeps on being listed as a seperate proposal on my dashboard |
| 16:51.37 | SITZ | so, was wondering 20 applications limit will be consumed by only 1 proposal ? |
| 16:51.57 | |Kev| | For Melange bugs, try #melange |
| 16:51.59 | scaraffe | SITZ, THAN WHAT STUPID |
| 16:52.13 | scaraffe | nin akkan |
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| 16:52.26 | SITZ | scaraffe: is that intended ? |
| 16:52.34 | scaraffe | gotagodillva bollimagne |
| 16:52.36 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: Could you do the honours on scaraffe please? |
| 16:52.45 | |Kev| | (Or some other op) |
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| 16:52.48 | mithridates | can someone answer my question? |
| 16:52.52 | scaraffe | hello bolle |
| 16:52.55 | scaraffe | bolli |
| 16:52.56 | |Kev| | mithridates: I've not seen it. |
| 16:52.56 | mithridates | hi,I'm an international student in canada and my nationality is iranian, I want to know if I am eligible to participate or not regarding to this paragraph http://bit.ly/h7xmdM |
| 16:52.57 | hiemanshu | scaraffe: stop scolding in kannada lol |
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| 16:53.17 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: sorry, was having dinner |
| 16:53.24 | scaraffe | guru yaro ninu kannadadavana ? |
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| 16:53.40 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: Quite alright. I shouldn't have given up my @ after the meeting :) |
| 16:53.50 | SRabbelier | SITZ: I haven't been able to reproduce |
| 16:54.00 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: hehe |
| 16:54.03 | mithridates | |Kev|: I'm from iran but I'm international student in Canada, can I apply for summer code? |
| 16:54.05 | |Kev| | mithridates: According to the FAQ you are ineligible if you either reside there, or are a national. |
| 16:54.14 | |Kev| | mithridates: Are you a national of Iran? |
| 16:54.16 | SITZ | SRabbelier: so, what I'm supposed to do now ? |
| 16:54.22 | SRabbelier | SITZ: just try and update |
| 16:54.34 | SRabbelier | SITZ: if it clones your proposal again please let me know |
| 16:54.38 | mithridates | |Kev|: well I have iranian passport |
| 16:54.44 | SITZ | SRabbelier: ok |
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| 16:54.54 | |Kev| | mithridates: If your nationality is Iranian, the FAQ says you're not eligible, sorry. |
| 16:55.10 | SRabbelier | !gsocability |
| 16:55.14 | SRabbelier | noooooo |
| 16:55.18 | SRabbelier | !gsocabillity |
| 16:55.18 | |Kev| | !eligible |
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| 16:55.19 | socinfo | |Kev|: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 16:55.24 | SRabbelier | damnit :P |
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| 16:55.32 | scaraffe2 | hiemanshu, : yen guru kannada barotha ? |
| 16:55.33 | Ophiuchi | <SRabbelier> SITZ: I haven't been able to reproduce |
| 16:55.34 | bobbens | SRabbelier: gsoccable I think it was |
| 16:55.48 | SRabbelier | bobbens: oh, right |
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| 16:55.55 | Ophiuchi | strange insights ;-P |
| 16:56.05 | mithridates | |Kev|: I'm sorry for this world too! |
| 16:56.13 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: I joked about you adding gsocability at the time :) |
| 16:56.23 | SITZ | Ophiuchi: lmao :D.. what an observation |
| 16:56.26 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: well played |
| 16:56.29 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: I thought I did |
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| 16:56.45 | SRabbelier | hmm |
| 16:56.51 | SRabbelier | my /ban doesn't do host masks by default |
| 16:56.56 | SRabbelier | anyone know what the usual command for that is? |
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| 16:57.10 | |Kev| | /mode +b whateverhostmask |
| 16:57.34 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: that's not convenient though :) |
| 16:57.51 | SRabbelier | so just: /mode +b 117.202.30.20 |
| 16:57.52 | JanisB | use eggdrop |
| 16:57.59 | JaneWells | on the accepted organizations list, where is the tags column populated from? our tags area is empty, so i went to edit our org profile, but there's no tags field that i can see. |
| 16:58.27 | |Kev| | /mode +b *!scaraffe2@117.202.30.20 |
| 16:58.31 | |Kev| | I believe. |
| 16:59.03 | harlan | JaneWells: I found the place to add them on the "create the org profile" template, as I reacll. |
| 16:59.03 | Ophiuchi | thinks SRabbelier resembles a very busy beaver .. or a hamster in his wheel |
| 16:59.16 | SRabbelier | Ophiuchi: no lie |
| 16:59.39 | SRabbelier | JaneWells: not present atm, knonw issue |
| 16:59.47 | JaneWells | gah, bummer |
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| 17:00.19 | terietor | Sh4wn: i didn't understand what to do |
| 17:00.24 | scaraffe3 | SITZ, : hi |
| 17:00.37 | Ophiuchi | SRabbelier: the timing of the going life with the new Melange was quite ambitious .. but better now than two days before midterms ,) |
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| 17:00.46 | Nightrose | SRabbelier: should we call you google from now on? :P (re email) |
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| 17:00.55 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: :( |
| 17:00.59 | scaraffe3 | SITZ : hi |
| 17:01.02 | Nightrose | SRabbelier: *hugs* |
| 17:01.08 | *** mode/#gsoc [+b *!*@117.202.30.20] by SRabbelier |
| 17:01.08 | SITZ | scaraffe: hi |
| 17:01.19 | *** kick/#gsoc [scaraffe3!debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/srabbelier] by SRabbelier (scaraffe3) |
| 17:01.41 | mithridates | what's the email for contacting google summer code? |
| 17:02.00 | mithridates | !contact |
| 17:02.01 | Ophiuchi | SRabbelier: +b *!*@@117.192.128.222 for the latest instance |
| 17:02.03 | SRabbelier | Ophiuchi: we had the choice between doing it when we did and doing it... next year |
| 17:02.08 | SITZ | SRabbelier: have you sent him to autoboot ? |
| 17:02.13 | Nightrose | SRabbelier: would a picture of a cute kitten help? |
| 17:02.14 | redheadphones | would i get anything more from the gsoc mailing lists that i don't already from melange and #gsoc? i'm considering if it'll be worth it to join all of them. |
| 17:02.17 | |Kev| | mithridates: carols hangs around here, you could wait for her. |
| 17:02.23 | SITZ | SRabbelier: is he irritating ? |
| 17:02.26 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: that'd help a lot :) |
| 17:02.32 | SRabbelier | SITZ: he was spamming earlier |
| 17:02.57 | SITZ | oh.. fine then |
| 17:03.21 | MostAwesomeDude | redheadphones: You will get a deluge of emails. |
| 17:03.29 | Nightrose | SRabbelier: http://cuteoverload.com/2011/03/25/kitty-by-day-ninja-by-night/ |
| 17:03.31 | Nightrose | :D |
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| 17:03.47 | redheadphones | with the #gsoc logs, i think i hear enouguh |
| 17:03.48 | mithridates | |Kev|: what's her user? |
| 17:03.56 | |Kev| | mithridates: 'carols' |
| 17:03.57 | redheadphones | s/enouguh/enough/ |
| 17:04.04 | harlan | mithridates: carols |
| 17:04.04 | mithridates | tnx |
| 17:04.10 | carols | peeks in |
| 17:04.11 | carols | you rang? |
| 17:04.14 | harlan | and she just arrives... |
| 17:04.15 | Nightrose | SRabbelier: also http://cuteoverload.com/2011/03/22/in-one-stroke-i-will-pet-them-all/ |
| 17:04.22 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: awesome :D |
| 17:04.27 | Nightrose | ;-) |
| 17:04.55 | gicmo | omg teh cuteness. can't. handle. it. |
| 17:05.04 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: thanks ^^ |
| 17:05.12 | redheadphones | feels like the mailing lists for orgs are more important to join |
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| 17:05.15 | Nightrose | gicmo: the domain name is for realz |
| 17:05.16 | Nightrose | :D |
| 17:05.34 | gicmo | Nightrose, 100% true! |
| 17:05.37 | gicmo | (-: |
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| 17:06.58 | Bhuwan | Why aren't high school students eligible to participate :(? |
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| 17:07.21 | SRabbelier | Bhuwan: they are |
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| 17:07.29 | SRabbelier | !gsoccable |
| 17:07.30 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "gsoccable" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 17:07.37 | SRabbelier | Bhuwan: ^ |
| 17:08.34 | Bhuwan | I'm '94 born :( |
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| 17:09.25 | ananth | hi all :) what are the pre-requirements to be able to do a project for drizzle? can anyone suggest some ideas..? |
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| 17:09.52 | Bhuwan | Sometimes, it just sucks to be too young :( |
| 17:09.56 | SRabbelier | !anyone |
| 17:09.57 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 17:10.01 | SRabbelier | ananth: ^ |
| 17:10.02 | gandu | ananth : tikka muchkond FAQ nodu |
| 17:10.03 | Bhuwan | Ah well. Thanks anyway. |
| 17:10.15 | SRabbelier | Bhuwan: legal requirements, sorry, try GCI next time around |
| 17:10.29 | SRabbelier | gandu: english please |
| 17:10.43 | Bhuwan | Sadly, I won't be eligible next year either. |
| 17:11.04 | gandu | i no english bit bit |
| 17:11.11 | ananth | gandu: english please.. |
| 17:12.06 | gandu | but can understand u know , i can but not write |
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| 17:12.33 | Bhuwan | gandu: Try translate.google.com |
| 17:12.40 | gandu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.24 | SRabbelier | gandu: You should be aware that for most organizations being able to express yourself in English is a requirement |
| 17:14.36 | gandu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.55 | gandu | can anyone help ? |
| 17:14.55 | gandu | i love to do that |
| 17:15.07 | SRabbelier | gandu: you should ask the org you wish to apply to |
| 17:15.29 | gandu | they only dont know , they are not co-operating |
| 17:15.53 | gandu | whom to ask |
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| 17:16.04 | gandu | so asking here |
| 17:16.27 | ananth | gandu: which place are you from? |
| 17:16.57 | gandu | ananth :pakistan |
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| 17:17.13 | NayanShah | SRabbelier: for creating a proposal, are the controls fetched after the page has loaded ? |
| 17:17.25 | SRabbelier | NayanShah: controls? |
| 17:17.44 | brlcad | gandu: if the org you are interested in is unresponsive, try a different org ... otherwise, you have to be (more) patient |
| 17:17.45 | NayanShah | SRabbelier: how do i create a proposal ? |
| 17:17.57 | schumaml | hm... |
| 17:17.58 | brlcad | gandu: asking in here is not a suitable alternative |
| 17:18.06 | SRabbelier | NayanShah: go to the organization's home page that you wish to apply to, click "Submit proposal"? |
| 17:18.13 | raj | hello everyone... how i'm able too see the proposed projects??? |
| 17:18.17 | schumaml | should orgs add their spoken languages to the tags, too? |
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| 17:18.28 | brlcad | raj: on your dashboard |
| 17:18.31 | gandu | raj : no u cant see |
| 17:18.38 | NayanShah | SRabbelier: and for documents ? |
| 17:18.50 | brlcad | raj: only mentors/admins can see them, they're on the dashboard |
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| 17:20.01 | hiemanshu | SRabbelier: gandu is scaraffe2, you should block the IP |
| 17:20.37 | gandu | hiemanshu, tikka ganchalina |
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| 17:20.45 | gandu | hiemanshu, nin akkan |
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| 17:21.01 | LetterRip | well we finally got our flyer announced - http://www.blender.org/bf/blender_flier_gsoc.pdf |
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| 17:21.08 | LetterRip | ended up not using any gsoc/google logos |
| 17:21.24 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: re the >5 stars, the tooltips still show 5 is great, and 6+ are just numbers. perhaps the words need to be spread equally across the range or made to disappear entirely |
| 17:21.33 | brlcad | LetterRip: holy cow that's a lot of text :) |
| 17:21.36 | LetterRip | a bit late, but maybe we will find a few more good applicants |
| 17:21.42 | schumaml | oh, are tags not editable anymore? |
| 17:21.51 | LetterRip | brlcad - mostly supposed to be scanned not read |
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| 17:22.01 | LetterRip | as long as they get the bold type it is all good :) |
| 17:22.06 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: I don't understand yoru feedback |
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| 17:23.31 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: current tooltips on the stars, by star number, for a setting of 10 stars; 1=bad, 3=regular, 5=great, 6=6, 8=8, 10=10 |
| 17:23.47 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: oh, I didn't even know there were labels |
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| 17:24.49 | gevaerts | LetterRip: I don't see any mention of fur on that flyer! |
| 17:24.56 | hiemanshu | and bacon? |
| 17:25.33 | gevaerts | I didn't expect bacon |
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| 17:26.49 | LetterRip | nobody expects bacon! |
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| 17:27.14 | gevaerts | :) |
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| 17:27.27 | hiemanshu | LetterRip: yeah you are supposed to suprise em with it |
| 17:27.46 | gevaerts | was surprised by no fur instead |
| 17:27.59 | LetterRip | we will delay the bacon till later, so it is more of a surprise |
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| 17:28.17 | Talad | is the rating (stars) on the proposal visible to the student and to the public? |
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| 17:28.31 | SRabbelier | Talad: no |
| 17:28.33 | |Kev| | Talad: no |
| 17:28.37 | SRabbelier | Talad: it was for 2 minutes due to a bug :P |
| 17:28.46 | Talad | ok |
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| 17:28.52 | hiemanshu | LetterRip: when the right time arrives let me know, I'll try and act surpised |
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| 17:29.12 | MatthewWilkes | evening all |
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| 17:29.28 | Talad | reading the mailing list I agree on the rotating list of organizations in the home page |
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| 17:31.37 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: you!... :P |
| 17:32.27 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: quick - hide! |
| 17:32.28 | Nightrose | :D |
| 17:32.54 | Nightrose | (or bring pictures of cute kittens) |
| 17:33.18 | SRabbelier | I've got a video of a cat going balistic on a printer :P |
| 17:33.19 | gevaerts | Remember: cute kittens leave dead mice under cupboards |
| 17:33.40 | Nightrose | SRabbelier: link! |
| 17:33.40 | hiemanshu | Nightrose: I can has cheezburger? |
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| 17:33.57 | Nightrose | hiemanshu: there is cuter stuff out there |
| 17:34.18 | SRabbelier | yesterday I had someone send me a picture of chocolate to go with their "please fix my mess-up" |
| 17:34.21 | SRabbelier | it was awesome |
| 17:34.27 | Nightrose | lol |
| 17:34.28 | |Kev| | Heh. |
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| 17:34.54 | terietor | hello again |
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| 17:35.05 | |Kev| | Nightrose: The 'cuter stuff' of which you speak would be my brother's new huskie puppy, who. is. gorgeous. |
| 17:35.09 | terietor | how can i find a linkid for student registration? |
| 17:35.18 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: I'm drafting a reply |
| 17:35.36 | Nightrose | |Kev|: awwww i bet |
| 17:35.56 | hiemanshu | Nightrose: like? |
| 17:36.00 | SRabbelier | terietor: you pick one yourself |
| 17:36.06 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: I'm watching you... |
| 17:36.22 | Nightrose | hiemanshu: cuteoverload, dailysquee, dailybunny |
| 17:36.24 | terietor | i am trying the "terietor" but it appears tha it is wrong |
| 17:36.38 | hiemanshu | Nightrose: /me checks |
| 17:37.21 | madmax108 | \join mixxx |
| 17:37.27 | gangil | !faq |
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| 17:37.28 | socinfo | gangil: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 17:37.33 | Nightrose | now if only my thesis had cute kittens in it... |
| 17:37.39 | Nightrose | goes back to that |
| 17:38.07 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: Aww, kittens! I want a kitten |
| 17:38.23 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: you should add some |
| 17:38.27 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: Thesis? What do you study? |
| 17:38.29 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: pending the rotating logos, perhaps it would be more fair to prevent the current 5 logos from being links directly to orgs, so everyone has to actually view the full list |
| 17:38.40 | |Kev| | Oh. |
| 17:38.43 | |Kev| | That's smart. |
| 17:38.48 | MatthewWilkes | dberkholz: Or link Drupal to us? |
| 17:38.51 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: your suggestion has been taken into consideration by the committe |
| 17:38.53 | Nightrose | SRabbelier: hmmm good idea how to add them to "collaborative and transparent free software development"? |
| 17:38.58 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: CS |
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| 17:39.08 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: Typical ;) |
| 17:39.11 | MatthewWilkes | misses CS |
| 17:39.14 | Nightrose | hehe |
| 17:39.21 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: if pictures of cute kittens are not relevant to your thesis you're doing it wrong |
| 17:39.28 | Nightrose | clearly |
| 17:39.28 | |Kev| | Nightrose: If I can get a mention of chocolate brownies into my thesis, you can manage kittens in yours :) |
| 17:39.34 | Nightrose | haha |
| 17:39.55 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: see, |Kev| is doing it right |
| 17:39.55 | terietor | SRabbelier: i tried to use the "terietor" for linkid but i received an error that it is wrong |
| 17:40.05 | Nightrose | yeah - |Kev|'s the pro |
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| 17:40.38 | spectei | MatthewWilkes, lol |
| 17:41.27 | SRabbelier | terietor: be more specific please |
| 17:41.56 | MatthewWilkes | spectei: ? |
| 17:42.02 | spectei | MatthewWilkes, your mailing list post |
| 17:42.16 | MatthewWilkes | ah :) |
| 17:42.17 | spectei | :) |
| 17:42.24 | terietor | i am writing the form in order to apply as a student,but i don't know what to put into the form "Link_id" |
| 17:43.22 | zgreg | terietor: whatever you want |
| 17:43.39 | terietor | i am trying to put into the form "terietor" |
| 17:43.45 | terietor | but it appears wrong |
| 17:43.53 | SRabbelier | terietor: what is the exact error message, I alreayd asked you this |
| 17:44.01 | terietor | This link ID is in wrong format. |
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| 17:44.11 | terietor | i write this "terietor" |
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| 17:44.19 | SRabbelier | terietor: did you include the quotes? |
| 17:44.38 | terietor | no |
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| 17:44.52 | nishmu | terietor: You can enter a different link ID, unless you really have some reason to stick to it. |
| 17:45.10 | terietor | no i don't |
| 17:45.18 | terietor | i tried tsiapaliwkas |
| 17:45.24 | terietor | which is my last name |
| 17:45.29 | terietor | again the same error |
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| 17:45.54 | SRabbelier | terietor: trailing space? |
| 17:46.13 | nishmu | terietor: It may also be possible that the error it shows is applicable to other fields on the form. Did you get all other fields validated? |
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| 17:46.43 | terietor | yes |
| 17:46.52 | terietor | all the other fields are ok |
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| 17:50.32 | SRabbelier | terietor: do you have trailing whitepsace? |
| 17:50.44 | terietor | no i dont |
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| 17:51.16 | SRabbelier | raj: please don't PM me without permission |
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| 17:51.26 | SRabbelier | raj: just ask here, so that everybody can benefit |
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| 17:52.10 | greggy | SR |
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| 17:53.35 | terietor | ok i fix it |
| 17:53.43 | terietor | the browser stack |
| 17:53.52 | terietor | thank you for your help |
| 17:54.02 | greggy | SRabbelier: I withdrew an invite for the admin I mentioned this morning, to resend the invite but it tells me it was already sent. So, added her as a mentor hoping to upgrade her to an admin, but apparent there isn;t such a feature. What would you suggest? |
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| 17:55.19 | carols | MatthewWilkes: thank you. |
| 17:55.39 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: That question was beautifully crafted, good job. |
| 17:55.42 | gevaerts | brings in the tea and cookies |
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| 17:57.38 | |Kev| | carols: Evening. |
| 17:57.54 | carols | |Kev|: hey there. |
| 17:58.01 | dberkholz | holla carols |
| 17:58.07 | carols | hey dberkholz |
| 17:58.17 | dberkholz | man, i hate using this eee sometimes. |
| 17:58.20 | carols | serves some coffee and chocolate with gevaerts' platter |
| 17:58.23 | dberkholz | hope i can get my thinkpad fixed soon. |
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| 17:58.52 | |Kev| | dberkholz: I bought my eee so I could do some writing for the book in the 20mins to/from work each day a few years ago. |
| 17:58.57 | dberkholz | carols: SRabbelier has been working like crazy fixing all our complaints! |
| 17:58.58 | |Kev| | This plan didn't last very long. |
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| 17:59.14 | carols | dberkholz: SRabbelier is awesome and we should all buy him caramel schnapps. |
| 17:59.15 | |Kev| | dberkholz: Although fixing Melange instead would probably have been easier :) |
| 17:59.31 | dberkholz | |Kev|: it's basically like an ipad with a keyboard for me, useful to produce as well as consume |
| 17:59.33 | gevaerts | agrees with carols! |
| 17:59.34 | SRabbelier | likes that idea a lot |
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| 17:59.56 | MatthewWilkes | carols: For the apology or the piss-take? |
| 18:00.09 | carols | MatthewWilkes: yes. |
| 18:00.24 | |Kev| | dberkholz: Mine has been mostly relegated to 'thing the wife uses for being online on XMPP while I'm away visiting the office and she's watching rubbish on TV in the living room'. |
| 18:00.27 | marcg | carols, are you the carol smith I see answering all the gsoc mailling list questions? |
| 18:00.34 | SRabbelier | always enjoys a good Q:a or b? A:yes |
| 18:00.47 | AlexP | SRabbelier: You should love gevaerts then :) |
| 18:00.52 | greggy | I withdrew an invite for the admin I mentioned this morning, to resend the invite but it tells me it was already sent. So, added her as a mentor hoping to upgrade her to an admin, but apparent there isn;t such a feature. What would you suggest? |
| 18:00.53 | AlexP | He is a nightmare for that :) |
| 18:00.57 | carols | marcg: the one and only. |
| 18:00.58 | SRabbelier | marcg: the one and only |
| 18:01.05 | marcg | that was weird |
| 18:01.05 | SRabbelier | high fives carols |
| 18:01.06 | carols | what SRabbelier said. |
| 18:01.11 | |Kev| | Snap± |
| 18:01.13 | gevaerts | AlexP: I am not! |
| 18:01.15 | |Kev| | What did I win? |
| 18:01.22 | |Kev| | Oh, right, I win carols and SRabbelier :) |
| 18:01.29 | |Kev| | remembers the rules eventually. |
| 18:01.46 | ravenlock | carols: hi |
| 18:01.54 | carols | hi ravenlock |
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| 18:02.15 | marcg | carols, out of curiosity, why did you choose your irc username as first name and first letter of last name? |
| 18:02.18 | ravenlock | Was wondering if you might have the time today to discuss our Org ? |
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| 18:02.29 | carols | marcg: its the same as my handle at work. it was easy. |
| 18:02.37 | marcg | as opposed to csmith, thogh |
| 18:02.39 | marcg | though* |
| 18:02.42 | MatthewWilkes | marcg, carols: I always read it as multiple carols |
| 18:02.48 | dberkholz | i was hoping it was because "ka-smith" sounded funny out loud |
| 18:02.48 | marcg | MatthewWilkes, sam |
| 18:02.50 | marcg | same* |
| 18:02.54 | carols | ravenlock: i appreciate that you've been waiting, but i promise i will respond to your email. |
| 18:03.24 | ravenlock | ok. Will wait then. :) |
| 18:03.24 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: as long as you don't start singing them, I guess it's not too much of a problem |
| 18:04.11 | SRabbelier | chuckles |
| 18:04.33 | SRabbelier | chastizes ravenlock for bothering carols |
| 18:04.46 | SRabbelier | Everybody say after me "carols is working very hard on getting everything done, I will be patient" |
| 18:04.48 | ravenlock | nods |
| 18:05.15 | gevaerts | carols is working very hard on getting everything done, I will be patient |
| 18:05.17 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: you went a little too american on that one. it's one of the few where "z" isn't right. |
| 18:05.25 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: damnit |
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| 18:05.47 | dberkholz | was a copy editor in a past life |
| 18:06.04 | AlexP | dberkholz: z is never right! |
| 18:06.08 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: another reason why I don't like this IRC client |
| 18:06.13 | gevaerts | AlexP: is it "sise"? |
| 18:06.18 | |Kev| | AlexP: Depends if you follow the OED or the Times, IIRC. |
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| 18:06.22 | blast007 | z is up |
| 18:06.41 | AlexP | gevaerts: yez :) |
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| 18:06.46 | dbolser | hello |
| 18:06.48 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: irssi? if so, there's plugins |
| 18:06.55 | AlexP | |Kev|: Yeah, OED says either IIRC |
| 18:07.02 | marcg | dbolser, hi |
| 18:07.02 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: no, I'm on windows here sadly |
| 18:07.08 | dbolser | I heard that it's not ok for multiple students to work together on the same project... is that written anywhere? |
| 18:07.11 | dbolser | hi marcg |
| 18:07.14 | dberkholz | putty->screen->irssi |
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| 18:07.14 | gevaerts | AlexP: but how does it say to pronounce either? |
| 18:07.15 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: running a Tor relay, so am limited in what clients I can use |
| 18:07.16 | |Kev| | dbolser: Yes, in the FAQ. |
| 18:07.21 | dbolser | ty |Kev| |
| 18:07.30 | bripkens | got a question regarding the application procedure - the "publicly visible" flag does not need to be checked for organizations to see the applicatio or does it? |
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| 18:07.37 | |Kev| | bripkens: It does not. |
| 18:07.39 | marcg | bripkens, right |
| 18:07.44 | SRabbelier | goes to update the help text for that field |
| 18:07.46 | marcg | that would be silly, imo |
| 18:07.51 | |Kev| | Well, "organizations" for the org to which you have applied. |
| 18:08.05 | |Kev| | If you want other orgs to be able to see it for some reason, you need to make it public. |
| 18:08.17 | marcg | if you want orgs, or anyone else, that is |
| 18:08.17 | bripkens | ok thank you guys :) |
| 18:08.25 | bripkens | was just wondering |
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| 18:09.53 | dbolser | |Kev|: I can't find it |
| 18:10.01 | |Kev| | !faq |
| 18:10.03 | socinfo | |Kev|: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 18:10.07 | |Kev| | dbolser: ^ there |
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| 18:10.52 | dbolser | I'm looking there ;-) |
| 18:10.58 | |Kev| | Ok, let's time it... |
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| 18:11.05 | dbolser | heh |
| 18:11.12 | |Kev| | http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#group |
| 18:11.23 | dbolser | okic |
| 18:11.24 | dbolser | ty |
| 18:11.26 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: dude, like, 13 seconds |
| 18:11.32 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: too slow |
| 18:11.42 | dbolser | how many times have you read teh sutras? |
| 18:11.52 | |Kev| | Blame it on transcontinental latency. |
| 18:12.09 | dbolser | tys |
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| 18:12.55 | marcg | tys: thank yous? |
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| 18:13.16 | marcg | or perhaps "thank you, sonny" |
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| 18:13.58 | SRabbelier | marcg: thankies |
| 18:14.04 | SRabbelier | no, wait, that doesn't have a y |
| 18:14.18 | marcg | thane, you're servant |
| 18:14.36 | SRabbelier | lol |
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| 18:14.42 | marcg | it's probably that |
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| 18:15.14 | omegaphi | is someone from Portland State University available here? |
| 18:15.17 | omegaphi | admin or mentor? |
| 18:15.19 | |Kev| | !anyone |
| 18:15.21 | socinfo | |Kev|: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 18:15.25 | omegaphi | I need their contact info |
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| 18:15.49 | marcg | ganja, nice username |
| 18:15.54 | SRabbelier | bripkens: for your benefit: http://code.google.com/p/soc/source/detail?r=c1eb5182e0e9 |
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| 18:16.28 | ganja | marcg, Thanx, its registered for me so u cant take :P |
| 18:16.28 | |Kev| | omegaphi: That is on their page. |
| 18:16.36 | |Kev| | omegaphi: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/portland_state |
| 18:16.46 | marcg | ganja, I had no intention of doing so, no worries |
| 18:16.57 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: we really are glorified lookup tables :( |
| 18:17.02 | bripkens | thanks SRabbelier. Thats really helpful |
| 18:17.09 | SRabbelier | bripkens: np |
| 18:17.20 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: At least most of what you look up isn't quite so obvious. |
| 18:17.35 | omegaphi | when I click on 'contact' I get 404 error, though I can make out the email address from the URL psu-soc-2011@svcs.cs.pdx.edu |
| 18:18.00 | |Kev| | They have indeed filled out their contact field incorrectly. |
| 18:18.34 | SRabbelier | fixes |
| 18:18.48 | SRabbelier | omegaphi: try now |
| 18:19.03 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: Looks good. |
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| 18:19.46 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: If I ask you if the org list can show 1000 orgs by default instead of 50, will you do one of a) tell me it's in hand b) say no c) point me to an open issue? |
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| 18:20.09 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: ah, damn, I meant to do that |
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| 18:20.32 | omegaphi | SRabbelier , thanks :) |
| 18:20.33 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: I should tell people to create a new issue more |
| 18:20.40 | SRabbelier | omegaphi: np |
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| 18:21.13 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: sec, fixing |
| 18:21.16 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: just refer non-irc users to issues, they're already communicating asynchronously =) |
| 18:21.26 | diofeher | i can't find the link to submit my proposal... anyone can point me? |
| 18:21.26 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: Maaaaarvellous, thanks. |
| 18:21.58 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: I do usually, but a lot of useful feedback comes from here and #melange |
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| 18:23.37 | *** mode/#gsoc [+o carols] by ChanServ |
| 18:23.58 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: us irc folks are already real-time, so we clearly deserve real-time fixes =D |
| 18:24.13 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: exactly |
| 18:24.24 | marcg | diofeher, where have you tried looking? |
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| 18:25.02 | NayanShah | diofeher: click an org in the orgs list. |
| 18:25.40 | marcg | carols, good job banning that curser! |
| 18:25.40 | NayanShah | marcg: its not intuitive enough for me too. :) |
| 18:25.46 | carols | marcg: thanks |
| 18:26.13 | NayanShah | marcg: earlier it used to point to org's homepage i guess. |
| 18:26.15 | downeym | I thought he'd already been banned |
| 18:26.24 | downeym | or maybe i had deja vu |
| 18:26.28 | marcg | NayanShah, ah, I see |
| 18:26.34 | carols | downeym: he was moderated. he gets one warning before he's banned |
| 18:26.35 | diofeher | marcg, mostly in home and from menu |
| 18:26.39 | downeym | carols++ |
| 18:26.47 | Ophiuchi | hands SRabbelier a cup of tea and says "time for a break" |
| 18:26.55 | diofeher | NayanShah, hmm. I'm logged and I can't see the button to submit, only to register |
| 18:27.04 | marcg | you have to register to submit ;) |
| 18:27.13 | SRabbelier | Ophiuchi: what is this "break" thing you speak of? |
| 18:27.23 | NayanShah | i had registered though. :D |
| 18:27.27 | marcg | are you logged in? |
| 18:27.34 | marcg | oh, you're not diofeher |
| 18:27.40 | marcg | trickery! |
| 18:27.52 | diofeher | You are logged in as ******* [link_id: diofeher] |
| 18:27.53 | dberkholz | hey, it's the new zodiac sign |
| 18:27.55 | NayanShah | marcg: sorry. |
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| 18:28.09 | marcg | NayanShah, no worries, twas a joke |
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| 18:28.30 | marcg | diofeher, do you still see the register button once you log in? |
| 18:28.30 | NayanShah | marcg: i know. forgot my smiley. :) |
| 18:28.33 | carols | grumbles about wifi issues |
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| 18:28.46 | gevaerts | gives carols a better no wire |
| 18:28.51 | dberkholz | carols: this year, we'll teach you how to use a real irc client |
| 18:29.02 | carols | gevaerts: thanks :-) |
| 18:29.04 | diofeher | marcg, i was already registered from last year... i have to register again? oO |
| 18:29.14 | carols | dberkholz: just put it on top of the ever-growing pile of stuff i need to do |
| 18:29.14 | diofeher | marcg, yep |
| 18:29.26 | dberkholz | carols: set aside 1 hour at the summit =p |
| 18:29.31 | marcg | diofeher, hmm, then I do not know what to do, try asking SRabbelier |
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| 18:29.50 | |Kev| | dberkholz: I'm not sure you're saying great things about your opinion of Carol if you thinkit'll take an hour to teach her how to use an IRC client :p |
| 18:30.05 | carols | dberkholz: i will do that :-) |
| 18:30.08 | dberkholz | an hour to configure screen+irssi in a useful way? |
| 18:30.08 | carols | marks her calendar |
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| 18:30.30 | dberkholz | i'm still tweaking around with my setup, years later. |
| 18:30.41 | |Kev| | dberkholz: I think we can assume a base competence with the commandline, so yeah, basic setup is less than an hour, in person. |
| 18:30.47 | gevaerts | carols: which way does your calendar go round? |
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| 18:31.14 | carols | gevaerts: around the center of my universe - GSoC |
| 18:31.28 | gevaerts | :) |
| 18:31.32 | gevaerts | Nice evasion! |
| 18:32.06 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: for your benefit: http://code.google.com/p/soc/source/detail?r=9c837cea2f6de90312e7f7056d237c4b885e86a7 |
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| 18:32.20 | eean | can students update their proposals? this changes every year :) |
| 18:32.25 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: Thank you. |
| 18:32.29 | marcg | eean, yes they can |
| 18:32.33 | eean | cool |
| 18:32.58 | dberkholz | till the app deadline, anyway |
| 18:32.58 | SRabbelier | eean: that has always been possible |
| 18:32.58 | SRabbelier | eean: always :) |
| 18:33.01 | dberkholz | after that, they can only respond as comments |
| 18:33.16 | marcg | SRabbelier had that feature implemented before our sun was born |
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| 18:33.21 | eean | I remember it not being possible at some point |
| 18:33.58 | marcg | well it is not possible after the deadline, perhaps that is when you tried |
| 18:34.09 | carols | gevaerts: i have to be diplomatic in this job. so evasion is a useful tactic :-) |
| 18:34.27 | gevaerts | marcg: he was around before our sun was born? That would explain the calendar! |
| 18:34.47 | marcg | gevaerts, the calendar? |
| 18:34.58 | |Kev| | Good grief, I hadn't yet noticed that mail from 18mins ago. That's...astounding. |
| 18:35.04 | merlish | gevaerts, the calendar!!! |
| 18:35.21 | marcg | >.> |
| 18:35.27 | merlish | :D |
| 18:35.30 | marcg | :P |
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| 18:36.11 | gevaerts | carols: A good thing you're good at it then :) |
| 18:36.27 | gevaerts | hands out some chocolates to see if carols will successfully evade those! ;) |
| 18:36.35 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: I will stab you... :P |
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| 18:36.48 | |Kev| | Dodge this. |
| 18:36.51 | SRabbelier | There are bats flying outside my window!!! |
| 18:36.53 | carols | gevaerts: i try to be good at my job overall :-) hard to know if i'm succeeding though... |
| 18:37.00 | carols | munches some chocolate |
| 18:37.01 | carols | i can use it |
| 18:37.06 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: y ou mean like: /kick geaerts Dodge this. |
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| 18:37.21 | SRabbelier | carols: you are, at least 5% better |
| 18:37.30 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: I do, but I gave away my croissant. |
| 18:37.45 | downeym | steps away for cocoa tea |
| 18:38.05 | carols | SRabbelier: thanks |
| 18:38.12 | marcg | has no idea what is going on |
| 18:38.25 | marcg | where is all this food coming from? |
| 18:38.47 | gevaerts | would say 10%! |
| 18:38.52 | SRabbelier | marcg: open source man |
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| 18:39.15 | konr | In case two organizations select a project of mine to be selected, can I choose which one I'll develop, or the choice will be based on their priority lists? |
| 18:39.27 | konr | s/selected/accepted/ |
| 18:39.32 | |Kev| | konr: You will usually be asked, but not necessarily. |
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| 18:39.47 | dberkholz | carols: are people being invited to that new-orgs mailing list yet? |
| 18:39.48 | |Kev| | konr: For now you should worry about writing great proposals for projects that excite you. |
| 18:40.11 | carols | dberkholz: in the next couple days. i have to manually pull a list of people to subscribe and surprise - i haven't had a chance yet |
| 18:40.14 | SRabbelier | someone throw me a unicode character |
| 18:40.29 | dberkholz | carols: sounds good. we want to mention it in our post on admin advice, but weren't sure about the timing. |
| 18:40.29 | thiago_home | ⬠|
| 18:40.39 | carols | dberkholz: its high on my list |
| 18:40.42 | marcg | thiago_home, good toss |
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| 18:40.59 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: If this was XMPP, that'd be much easier :) |
| 18:41.01 | SRabbelier | thiago_home: most kind |
| 18:41.06 | thiago_home | SRabbelier: â¢ââââÅ |
| 18:41.11 | carols | dberkholz: ill let you know as soon as its donw |
| 18:41.13 | carols | done |
| 18:41.14 | carols | sigh |
| 18:41.17 | carols | sips coffee |
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| 18:41.30 | SRabbelier | thiago_home: whoah, easy cowboy! |
| 18:41.34 | thiago_home | SRabbelier: could've given you an "a", as it is Unicode... |
| 18:41.46 | marcg | thiago_home, that is what I was going to do |
| 18:41.46 | thiago_home | but I figured you wanted something more exotic |
| 18:41.58 | SRabbelier | most gracious of you |
| 18:42.07 | spectei | !timeline |
| 18:42.08 | socinfo | spectei: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 18:42.08 | spectei | !next |
| 18:42.10 | socinfo | spectei: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
| 18:42.11 | thiago_home | recently found his shell script that translates the Latin script to Runic |
| 18:42.28 | danparker | Is there any news on the bug where some accepted orgs don't appear in the list? |
| 18:42.36 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: "â£" |
| 18:42.59 | thiago_home | gevaerts: zero width? |
| 18:43.03 | gevaerts | yes |
| 18:43.03 | SRabbelier | danparker: that's been fixed |
| 18:43.21 | thiago_home | how about this: á»á¹á«á! |
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| 18:43.50 | SRabbelier | thiago_home: whoah, you managed to hang Chrome |
| 18:44.25 | thiago_home | first word in Beowulf |
| 18:44.33 | SRabbelier | hm, not exotic enough |
| 18:44.34 | zgreg | ã¦ãã³ã¼ã? |
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| 18:44.54 | thiago_home | even though Beowulf wasn't written in Runic... |
| 18:45.07 | gevaerts | hands out some â especially for SRabbelier :) |
| 18:45.10 | danparker | SRabbelier: hmm, I'm still having trouble finding Phylosoc on the list |
| 18:45.29 | thiago_home | it used the Latin alphabet, with that second letter (the Wynn) imported |
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| 18:45.48 | SRabbelier | danparker: when I load the list it says there are 175 entries, 175 orgs were accepted, QED? |
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| 18:46.00 | thiago_home | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Beowulf.firstpage.jpeg |
| 18:46.18 | danparker | SRabbelier: nvm, I'm beeing stupid. I forgot they have a differen't name on the list than they use on their wiki |
| 18:47.02 | SRabbelier | danparker: k |
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| 18:47.57 | SRabbelier | Any python wizards that understand what's wrong here? http://pastebin.com/bEpz0Z3P |
| 18:48.33 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Looks like an implicit unicode to string conversion |
| 18:48.48 | thiago_home | hate those |
| 18:48.49 | MatthewWilkes | i.e str(foo) rather than foo.encode("utf-8") |
| 18:49.12 | marcg | are you a wizard :O |
| 18:49.13 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: so why can't I trigger it locally? :-/ |
| 18:49.22 | dberkholz | different python version? |
| 18:49.25 | thiago_home | and Python *has* a sane Unicode support |
| 18:49.48 | SRabbelier | http://code.google.com/p/soc/source/browse/app/soc/logic/cleaning.py#439 |
| 18:49.49 | dberkholz | you're running it in a terminal, which is handled differently? |
| 18:49.50 | SRabbelier | for those reading along |
| 18:50.17 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: That or you've followed some of the incorrect advice on the internet that fixes those globally |
| 18:50.23 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: running a local copy of Melange using dev_appserver with python 2.6 instead of the python 2.5 AppEngine uses in production, I suppose, yeah |
| 18:50.34 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: I have not |
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| 18:50.44 | MatthewWilkes | Or, potentially, different WSGI app server potentially gives dodgy results?? |
| 18:50.50 | MatthewWilkes | that's a long shot |
| 18:50.55 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: but I do remember fixing this before with the cleaner |
| 18:50.57 | thiago_home | blogged about Unicode support in C++ this weekend |
| 18:51.01 | SRabbelier | perhaps that was in the old cleaner though |
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| 18:51.23 | dberkholz | you could set the encoding at the top of the file |
| 18:51.40 | dberkholz | sometimes it likes that |
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| 18:53.12 | Kraytul | does the SETI project have an IRC channel that I'm just not seeing somehow? |
| 18:54.14 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: What's self.cleaned_data? |
| 18:54.40 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/forms/#processing-the-data-from-a-form |
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| 18:55.54 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: aha! I managed to reproduce |
| 18:56.08 | marcg | SRabbelier, congrats! |
| 18:56.15 | marcg | girl or boy? |
| 18:56.24 | SRabbelier | although with a different error |
| 18:56.25 | SRabbelier | LOL! |
| 18:56.36 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: How then? |
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| 18:56.58 | SRabbelier | marcg: mandatory xkcd reference: http://xkcd.com/583/ |
| 18:57.20 | marcg | SRabbelier, good call |
| 18:57.20 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: by _adding_ a .decode('utf-8') where there previously was none |
| 18:57.35 | SRabbelier | marcg: tnx |
| 18:57.44 | marcg | thane, no excuses |
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| 18:58.07 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Right, so you need to find where the unicode is coming from |
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| 18:58.25 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: with the decode: http://pastebin.com/C5BpFy1a |
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| 18:58.49 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: do I need to re-decode it after HtmlSanitizer is done with it? |
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| 18:59.21 | SRabbelier | (the answer is no :P) |
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| 18:59.30 | MatthewWilkes | roflcopter: view-source:http://www.cadw.wales.gov.uk/ |
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| 19:00.21 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: which part, the explamation marks, or the underscores? |
| 19:00.34 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: the problem is that SGML documents aren't unicode, they're encoded |
| 19:00.45 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: What the smeg? |
| 19:00.49 | |Kev| | (re: Cadw) |
| 19:01.06 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: You need to find what is being inconsistent and make it give back the right encoding |
| 19:01.10 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: seems to work if I call encode before passing it to SGTM, and then call encode on the rsult |
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| 19:01.12 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: Look at the SQL injection fix |
| 19:01.29 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Yep, it would, that switches the encoding |
| 19:01.32 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: Yes, there was a direct correlation between me looking at the 'fix' and exclaiming What the smeg? |
| 19:01.40 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: is that a propr solution then? :) |
| 19:01.45 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: lol |
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| 19:02.18 | |Kev| | Now I just want to disable javascript and try an injection attack. |
| 19:02.41 | tudalex | I'm sure I can work one around those protections :P |
| 19:03.04 | tudalex | and we could check if their going to add more to it |
| 19:03.55 | tudalex | a simple URLEncode on the injection should work... |
| 19:04.35 | SRabbelier | should I deploy the notificaiton preference settings? |
| 19:04.38 | SRabbelier | they don't do anything yet |
| 19:04.51 | SRabbelier | it'll allow people to set their preference for when it does though |
| 19:05.18 | guilhermebr | hiemanshu, MBA is accept as degree to gsoc?? |
| 19:05.25 | |Kev| | Hard to say if you'll get more flames for options that do nothing, or for not having the option. |
| 19:05.26 | guilhermebr | Hi MBA is accept as degree to gsoc?? |
| 19:05.40 | |Kev| | !faq |
| 19:05.42 | socinfo | |Kev|: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 19:05.43 | |Kev| | guilhermebr: ^ |
| 19:05.49 | SRabbelier | !gsoccable |
| 19:05.51 | socinfo | SRabbelier: "gsoccable" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 19:05.54 | SRabbelier | guilhermebr: ^ |
| 19:06.32 | SRabbelier | puts it on a separate branch for now |
| 19:06.36 | guilhermebr | tnks!! |
| 19:06.44 | SRabbelier | <3 git |
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| 19:10.50 | SRabbelier | Anyone waiting for notifications, bother Arc for making me implement the "randomized logo" first |
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| 19:11.16 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: Are we able to upload our own logos as part of that patch? |
| 19:11.29 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: I was thinking just an url? :P |
| 19:11.52 | gevaerts | SRabbelier: Can we configure wherther we want to be notified when the randomised logo is done? |
| 19:12.08 | SRabbelier | rofls |
| 19:12.13 | MatthewWilkes | bah wimp |
| 19:12.14 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: thank you for making me laugh :) |
| 19:12.19 | MatthewWilkes | I want a notification when my logo is clicked |
| 19:12.22 | gevaerts | You're welcome! |
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| 19:12.46 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: We actually do have a google analytics account |
| 19:13.00 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: That's equivalent. |
| 19:13.07 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: you'll be hiking somewhere in Asia! You *can't* be notified! |
| 19:13.14 | SRabbelier | |Kev|, MatthewWilkes: if you want I can check where traffic is coming from for your org |
| 19:13.28 | SRabbelier | gevaerts: very observant |
| 19:13.45 | |Kev| | Oh, that reminds me. MatthewWilkes: I don't think that you mentioned you were a Google employee in that question, did you? Shame on you. |
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| 19:15.07 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: You mean the image links vs. the list? That's vaguely interesting from an academic PoV, but don't consider it a must-have feature :) |
| 19:15.28 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: right |
| 19:15.41 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: apparently it's important enough for some people that they keep nagging until it's fixed :P |
| 19:16.06 | |Kev| | The randomisation's pretty important. Knowing if the clients are from your image or your <li> less so, IMHO. |
| 19:16.22 | |Kev| | Clients? Clicks. |
| 19:16.45 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: but if there are hardly any clicks from the logo, apparently it doesn't matter if it's randomized or not ;) |
| 19:16.58 | |Kev| | Right. |
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| 19:19.07 | sfb | fyi |
| 19:19.12 | sfb | i <3 goo.gl |
| 19:20.04 | |Kev| | carols: Isn't the opposite true of your mail re: Azerbaijan? I think the student can *only* code while they're there. |
| 19:20.24 | carols | |Kev|: its possible i misunderstood if that's the case. would you like to respond and correct it? |
| 19:20.29 | |Kev| | Sure. |
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| 19:21.26 | SITZ | SRabbelier: is seems that.. the duplicate feature is gone in applications ...thanks :) |
| 19:21.35 | SRabbelier | SITZ: glad it's working now |
| 19:21.44 | SITZ | but, there is a old one still there.. can you delete it some way ? |
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| 19:22.40 | SRabbelier | SITZ: no, just change the title to "ACCIDENTAL DUPLICATE" or whatever |
| 19:22.50 | SRabbelier | SITZ: well, I suppose, send me an email |
| 19:22.58 | SRabbelier | SITZ: and I can delete it if it doesn't have any comments |
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| 19:23.11 | SITZ | SRabbelier: sure...it doesn't has any now |
| 19:23.23 | SITZ | SRabbelier: I'll send a mail in few minutes |
| 19:23.29 | SRabbelier | SITZ: ok |
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| 19:24.29 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: My dad is, but he's staying in England, why would that matter? |
| 19:24.39 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: Good answer. |
| 19:25.44 | SITZ | SRabbelier: forgot to ask.. your email id ? |
| 19:26.36 | SRabbelier | SITZ: my nick at gmail |
| 19:26.46 | SITZ | ok |
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| 19:32.42 | topfs2 | Hi, I have a question regarding melange and proposals which may be beneficial for multiple communities. What is the best way to deal with this? |
| 19:32.56 | MostAwesomeDude | topfs2: Ask the question, maybe? :3 |
| 19:33.08 | topfs2 | my proposals could most likely be interesting for both mono and gnome |
| 19:33.17 | topfs2 | Well, thats kindof what I'm doing ;) |
| 19:33.48 | topfs2 | those which may mentor me knows it but I wanted to know if there was a way to flag it so the decision people can easily see it |
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| 19:34.14 | MostAwesomeDude | Oh, I see. Sorry, didn't parse right the first time. |
| 19:34.23 | saksham | i like your nick |
| 19:34.26 | saksham | :D |
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| 19:34.56 | MostAwesomeDude | Talk to mentors from both orgs, maybe? I guess it depends on how the org picks proposals. |
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| 19:36.08 | topfs2 | MostAwesomeDude, thanks for the help. I'll try and see if I can find someone over at mono and see what they think :) |
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| 19:36.35 | MostAwesomeDude | topfs2: Good luck. |
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| 19:37.36 | SRabbelier | just ate some tasty chocolates |
| 19:38.03 | SRabbelier | real ones |
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| 19:42.56 | SITZ | can we ask for feedback from the orgs after putting our proposal submission ? |
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| 19:43.03 | |Kev| | SITZ: Yes. |
| 19:43.08 | SITZ | do they have access tp them right now ? |
| 19:43.15 | pygi | SITZ: in fact, its advised |
| 19:43.16 | pygi | yes master |
| 19:43.22 | SITZ | sure.. ty |
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| 19:44.27 | SRabbelier | Mentor assignment is operational btw. |
| 19:44.39 | SRabbelier | And pagination on the list of accepted orgs is turned off. |
| 19:44.49 | |Kev| | Thanks. |
| 19:45.05 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: yw |
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| 19:49.44 | SITZ | !org |
| 19:49.47 | SITZ | !list |
| 19:49.48 | socinfo | SITZ: Admin, Channel, Config, Factoids, Misc, Owner, and User |
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| 19:52.28 | ankush_ | !next |
| 19:52.29 | socinfo | ankush_: "next" is April 8: 19:00 UTC - Student application deadline. |
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| 19:56.16 | fuyi | :) |
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| 20:06.41 | eugene_ | Hi guys! |
| 20:06.55 | eugene_ | What happened with the project? |
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| 20:07.09 | |Kev| | 'the project'? |
| 20:07.12 | Guest814 | Google OSPO |
| 20:07.39 | Guest814 | When trying to enter(404 Not Found)! |
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| 20:11.14 | SRabbelier | Guest814: what url? |
| 20:11.17 | dhaun | Guest814: I'm getting a 500, not 404 |
| 20:11.34 | dhaun | SRabbelier: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2011/ospo |
| 20:11.45 | |Kev| | 500 here too. |
| 20:12.04 | SRabbelier | checking |
| 20:12.08 | SRabbelier | dhaun: thanks |
| 20:12.16 | SRabbelier | ah |
| 20:12.18 | SRabbelier | I fail |
| 20:13.08 | Guest814 | Already 505! |
| 20:13.33 | efes | 505 too |
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| 20:14.18 | efes | BTW: Read about Intel's developers challenge: http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/contest/contest-details |
| 20:14.20 | Guest814 | Sorry 500 |
| 20:15.27 | efes | People who choose Google as mentoring org provide a mentor at their own, yeap? |
| 20:15.42 | dhaun | efes: yes |
| 20:16.11 | efes | efes: thx |
| 20:16.13 | efes | ojj |
| 20:16.13 | SRabbelier | deploying fix |
| 20:16.17 | efes | dhaun: thx :] |
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| 20:18.41 | SRabbelier | fixed |
| 20:18.51 | SRabbelier | dhaun, |Kev|, Guest814: ^ |
| 20:19.09 | |Kev| | Magic :) |
| 20:19.28 | dhaun | SRabbelier: nice work |
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| 20:19.34 | dhaun | heh, Ideas page: None |
| 20:19.50 | SRabbelier | dhaun: yeah :) |
| 20:19.58 | SRabbelier | dhaun: the only org with that |
| 20:20.06 | saksham | which org? |
| 20:20.06 | dhaun | not sure if that should be a link, but then again the 404 makes it clear that there isn't one :) |
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| 20:20.42 | saksham | SRabbelier which org doesnt have an ideas page? |
| 20:20.49 | SRabbelier | saksham: ospo |
| 20:21.28 | |Kev| | Frankly, if they can't even be bothered to put together an ideas page, I think we should kick Google out of GSoC. Disgraceful. |
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| 20:22.12 | Mudit | hi |
| 20:22.14 | Mudit | hi |
| 20:22.16 | |Kev| | (Even as I typed that, I wondered if anyone was going to take it seriously and flame me. Thank goodness I was being cynical) |
| 20:22.20 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: they are the "Google Open Source Programs Office" :P |
| 20:22.23 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: I don't think they can be kicked out |
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| 20:22.53 | |Kev| | SRabbelier: Aww, you bit. |
| 20:22.55 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: heeh :D |
| 20:22.59 | Mudit | can we modify the proposal after uploading it on the gsoc site |
| 20:23.06 | |Kev| | Mudit: Yes, until the deadline. |
| 20:23.14 | SRabbelier | |Kev|: indeed |
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| 20:24.31 | Mudit | @ kev thanks |
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| 20:36.19 | plin | hello, I was wondering if I can participate if I haven't SIRed to my college yet |
| 20:36.33 | |Kev| | I have no idea what SIR is, but... |
| 20:36.36 | |Kev| | !eligible |
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| 20:36.37 | socinfo | |Kev|: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 20:36.54 | plin | SIR stands for "Statement of INtent to Register" |
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| 20:37.23 | plin | but no. I'm !eligible. I fail the second test |
| 20:37.36 | plin | thx |
| 20:37.44 | |Kev| | Next year! |
| 20:37.51 | dberkholz | plin: will you still fail on april 25? |
| 20:37.59 | plin | I don't start college until fall 201! |
| 20:38.02 | plin | s/201/2011/ |
| 20:38.10 | dberkholz | that's fine |
| 20:38.16 | dberkholz | as long as you've accepted by april 25 |
| 20:38.19 | |Kev| | It says 'Accepted' |
| 20:38.22 | |Kev| | You don't have to start yet. |
| 20:38.24 | plin | oh ok. yay! |
| 20:38.47 | |Kev| | As long as the Uni will write you a letter on the 25th saying they've accepted you, you're ok. |
| 20:38.55 | |Kev| | Given all the other conditions, of course. |
| 20:38.59 | plin | oh ok. so I'll contact them |
| 20:39.05 | plin | thank you for your help |
| 20:39.15 | |Kev| | You only need the letter ifyou're accepted. |
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| 20:39.43 | plin | right right ok. |
| 20:40.47 | plin | alright thanks for your help, I'll start making preparations for application |
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| 20:46.55 | |Kev| | Patience. |
| 20:46.58 | |Kev| | I imagine. |
| 20:47.07 | SRabbelier | chuckles |
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| 21:02.39 | Hexxeh | Hey |
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| 21:03.11 | Hexxeh | Filling in the registration form at the moment, on the education section, it asks whether you're doing a degree etc, I can't see an option for college, what do we select? |
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| 21:03.40 | kblin | Hexxeh: what are the options?? |
| 21:03.42 | marcg | have you graduatedcollege yet? |
| 21:03.56 | marcg | or are you in grad school? |
| 21:03.58 | Hexxeh | Nope, at college right now, finish in summer, starting university in the fall |
| 21:04.13 | marcg | wait, there is a difference between college and university? |
| 21:04.22 | Hexxeh | Yes, in the UK there is :) |
| 21:04.26 | |Kev| | Depends on country. In the UK there very much is. |
| 21:04.30 | marcg | could you explain? |
| 21:04.37 | Marjo_ | Not in the US. |
| 21:04.47 | MatthewWilkes | Hexxeh: What are the options? |
| 21:04.48 | marcg | is college like high school? |
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| 21:04.53 | gevaerts | A college is a gathering of people |
| 21:04.56 | Hexxeh | marcg: We have high school too |
| 21:05.04 | |Kev| | marcg: Yes, like the latter part of high school. |
| 21:05.09 | marcg | ah, ok |
| 21:05.18 | MatthewWilkes | marcg: College is one of the options post compulsory education |
| 21:05.24 | Hexxeh | MatthewWilkes: Degree, Undergraduate, Master, PhD |
| 21:05.32 | marcg | undergrad |
| 21:05.34 | MatthewWilkes | Some do do bits like the end of high school, some do alternatives to uni |
| 21:05.34 | marcg | if you are entering college |
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| 21:05.43 | easwar | Hexxeh, are you doing your Bachelors? |
| 21:05.53 | Hexxeh | Nope easwar, A2 exams |
| 21:05.57 | Hexxeh | marcg: Sweet, thanks :) |
| 21:05.57 | MatthewWilkes | Hexxeh: I'd say degree, myself. |
| 21:06.03 | |Kev| | It's all school until you're 16, at which point you can stay in school for another two years, or go to college (assuming you stay in education). Then you can go to Uni at 18 (or stay on to do non-Degree stuff at college) |
| 21:06.05 | easwar | Hexxeh, oh, no idea what those are |
| 21:06.17 | marcg | doesn't the FAQ say to put undergrad unless you are in a graduate program? |
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| 21:06.32 | |Kev| | Hexxeh: Assuming you've been accepted into Uni, put undergrad. |
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| 21:06.35 | Hexxeh | oh wait |
| 21:06.38 | Hexxeh | those fields aren't required |
| 21:06.42 | easwar | Hexxeh, :) |
| 21:06.44 | MatthewWilkes | Hexxeh: Not master or phd, it's not so important, I'd say. Are you planning on university, as if you have that sorted already it counts too |
| 21:06.50 | Hexxeh | don't find out whether we're in uni until august, nobody does |
| 21:06.59 | Hexxeh | unless you get an unconditional offer but that's really quite rare |
| 21:07.03 | Hexxeh | actually it depends on what course |
| 21:07.06 | Hexxeh | for CS, it's rare |
| 21:07.12 | marcg | nows know why my 12th grade english teacher said university and not college -- she is from the uk |
| 21:07.26 | marcg | now knows* |
| 21:07.26 | |Kev| | If you can't get a letter from the Uni saying you're accepted, you're not eligible. |
| 21:07.37 | |Kev| | (Accepted or enrolled) |
| 21:07.42 | |Kev| | !eligible |
| 21:07.44 | socinfo | |Kev|: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 21:08.11 | MatthewWilkes | Hexxeh: I know, but when I chose my first choice I got a letter from them confirming everything |
| 21:08.12 | easwar | !cpt |
| 21:08.36 | easwar | !internationalstudents |
| 21:08.42 | |Kev| | easwar: What are you doing? |
| 21:08.45 | marcg | hahaha |
| 21:08.45 | Hexxeh | I have loads of letters from the two unis I've chosen |
| 21:09.11 | |Kev| | Hexxeh: If you can provide a letter proving you've been accepted (and you're 18 and all the other conditions are met, blah blah), you're eligible. |
| 21:09.12 | easwar | |Kev|, I tried looking for those factoids, but they're apparently not with socinfo |
| 21:09.20 | Hexxeh | The eligibility conditions say "pre-university" courses too |
| 21:09.24 | Hexxeh | Which college, technically is |
| 21:09.42 | gevaerts | easwar: what's an international student anyway? |
| 21:09.48 | |Kev| | True, they also say accredited, too, which a college isn't. |
| 21:10.02 | easwar | gevaerts, a person who moves from one country to another for a degree |
| 21:10.05 | marcg | gevaerts, someone not in the us |
| 21:10.10 | Hexxeh | Colleges aren't accredited? |
| 21:10.14 | easwar | marcg, not necessarily |
| 21:10.15 | marcg | (who is applying to college in the us) |
| 21:10.22 | |Kev| | I thought accredited meant capable of bestowing a degree, hrmm |
| 21:10.25 | gevaerts | easwar: ah, ok. I was afraid you were going to say something like marcg :) |
| 21:10.27 | scorche|sh | "college" means something different depending on which country you live in... |
| 21:10.28 | easwar | marcg, true, or is already in the US |
| 21:10.39 | easwar | gevaerts, |
| 21:10.41 | easwar | ^^ |
| 21:10.54 | marcg | well seeing as though GSoC is based in the US, i thought that was a satisfactory definition |
| 21:10.56 | MatthewWilkes | Hexxeh: If you're at a college they likely have NUS/other student cards, that should do |
| 21:11.03 | Hexxeh | Yup, we have student cards |
| 21:11.13 | easwar | my case: in grad school in the US, and on an international student visa |
| 21:11.23 | Hexxeh | And I could get an NUS card if I applied (I didn't, damn site screwed up and wouldn't let me renew, screw doing it via snail-mail) |
| 21:11.27 | easwar | been discussed multiple times on the ML |
| 21:11.33 | |Kev| | http://register.ofqual.gov.uk/Organisation |
| 21:11.34 | easwar | we're eligible |
| 21:11.35 | |Kev| | Easy way :) |
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| 21:11.55 | MatthewWilkes | |Kev|: We've been reading it as being a place you get a government recognised qualification, degree or otherwise |
| 21:12.19 | MatthewWilkes | easwar: Cool, not an F-1 then? |
| 21:12.27 | |Kev| | MatthewWilkes: Right, the site I just linked *should* have a list of accredited organisations. |
| 21:12.35 | easwar | MatthewWilkes, I'm an F-1 student |
| 21:12.58 | MatthewWilkes | easwar: Oh, I thought that had limited hours - my friend who went to uni in the us lied to me ;) |
| 21:13.06 | Hexxeh | |Kev|: I think any college offering AS/A2 falls under the umbrella of the exam boards too? |
| 21:13.12 | |Kev| | Probably. |
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| 21:13.38 | easwar | MatthewWilkes, yes, we do have limited hours, 20 during school, and 40 during non-school seasons |
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| 21:14.25 | easwar | MatthewWilkes, which suits us perfectly, because summer is when we CAN work 40 hours |
| 21:14.31 | gevaerts | marcg: GSoC is explicitely a global program |
| 21:14.37 | MatthewWilkes | oh, more than I thought, thanks, good to know |
| 21:15.37 | |Kev| | That's only for on-campus jobs though, right? |
| 21:15.44 | imploder | if you're studying bachelors, you fall into the Undergraduate category AFAIK. that's my case also: I'm studying bachelors on a "University of Technology". there's no distiction between "university" and "college" in this country (both are called "high school" in literal translation). i think many other countries are like that: no difference between "college" and "university". |
| 21:15.50 | |Kev| | You aren't eligible to work for e.g. Google. |
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| 21:17.03 | easwar | |Kev|, we are eligible to work for outside organizations as long as the work is related to our curriculum |
| 21:17.27 | |Kev| | Right, as long as you apply to the government. |
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| 21:17.48 | easwar | |Kev|, right, as long as we apply to the government for work auth |
| 21:17.59 | marcg | gevaerts, duly noted, but just to clarify, my reasoning was derived from the fact the FAQ separates US from not US students |
| 21:18.06 | dreimark | !timeline |
| 21:18.07 | socinfo | dreimark: "timeline" is http://goo.gl/PFsjs |
| 21:19.00 | melvink | If I am a full time student but graduating in May, am I eligible to apply? |
| 21:19.01 | jermar | hello, is it a reason to start to worry if I am not receiving mail from the mentor's alias? The other mentors in my org told me that they are already receiving mail sent there |
| 21:19.08 | |Kev| | !eligible |
| 21:19.09 | socinfo | |Kev|: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 21:19.10 | |Kev| | melvink: ^ |
| 21:20.31 | melvink | Thanks |Kev| |
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| 21:21.20 | |Kev| | I wonder, has anyone graphed the number of applications orgs get against alphabetical order? |
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| 21:21.39 | |Kev| | I wonder if the orgs early in the alphabet get more applications than those of us poor souls near the bottom. |
| 21:21.54 | marcg | |Kev|, maybe the ones in the middle get the least |
| 21:21.59 | dberkholz | i'd kinda expect most people just search for tags |
| 21:22.03 | |Kev| | marcg: Could be. |
| 21:22.05 | wtachi | I open all of them |
| 21:22.07 | dberkholz | |Kev|: i can say that kde and gentoo do pretty well in the middle |
| 21:22.17 | saksham | that's becuz they're famous |
| 21:22.18 | |Kev| | KDE and Gentoo are special cases, I think. |
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| 21:22.26 | |Kev| | Right, for precisely that reason. |
| 21:22.29 | dberkholz | x.org's done fine at the bottom |
| 21:22.41 | saksham | bottom and top will get more attention |
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| 21:22.42 | |Kev| | Again, a fairly famous org. |
| 21:22.51 | saksham | middle could be ignored |
| 21:22.52 | brik | |Kev|: what's your org? |
| 21:22.53 | easwar | dberkholz, +1 |
| 21:22.55 | dberkholz | lol. is everything famous? |
| 21:22.55 | marcg | |Kev|, what is your org? |
| 21:23.17 | |Kev| | I'm not claiming people at the bottom *do*, I'm just interested in whether there's any correlation (yes, someone please link the appropriate xkcd :)) |
| 21:23.23 | |Kev| | brik / marcg: XMPP |
| 21:23.49 | easwar | |Kev|, awesome |
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| 21:24.22 | |Kev| | http://xkcd.com/552/ Since no-one acted as my lookup engine :( |
| 21:24.42 | gevaerts | marcg: to be honest, I wouldn't see "Oh, if you happen to live in the same country we do, you need a different bit of paper because that's how the law works" as "the FAQ separates US from not US students" |
| 21:25.25 | marcg | gevaerts, perhaps separate isn't the right word. what about "distinguishes"? |
| 21:25.31 | gevaerts | |Kev|: I have the tshirt! \âº/ |
| 21:25.49 | gevaerts | marcg: well, my point is that this one detail doesn't matter |
| 21:25.49 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Maybe I should hint to Mrs. Kev, ready for my birthday in a few months. |
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| 21:26.09 | marcg | gevaerts, okie dokie |
| 21:26.22 | gevaerts | marcg: anyway, let's discuss more interesting things :) |
| 21:26.26 | marcg | indeed! |
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| 21:26.50 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Like xkcd :) |
| 21:26.51 | marcg | (out of curiousity, where are you from, gevaerts?) |
| 21:26.59 | gevaerts | marcg: Belgium |
| 21:27.10 | gevaerts | |Kev|: let's exchange favourite numbers! |
| 21:27.21 | gevaerts | starts with 302 |
| 21:27.22 | marcg | oh very nice. I heard they have good waffles over there |
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| 21:27.46 | wtachi | likes 17 and 1351 |
| 21:27.56 | |Kev| | gevaerts: See, I know you like 302, but 303 is much more practical :) |
| 21:28.10 | easwar | 200 |
| 21:28.20 | gevaerts | |Kev|: I don't have the required balancing skills for that |
| 21:28.40 | |Kev| | I knew all the years of martial arts training had a purpose... |
| 21:28.51 | gevaerts | More efficient compiling? |
| 21:29.10 | |Kev| | Quite right. |
| 21:29.19 | |Kev| | Oh botheration. It's getting late again. |
| 21:29.24 | |Kev| | Goodnight folks. |
| 21:29.27 | gevaerts | Goodnight! |
| 21:29.28 | marcg | g'night |
| 21:29.38 | marcg | don't forgot to hint to Mrs. |Kev| |
| 21:29.55 | gevaerts | marcg: to be honest, I don't eat a lot of waffles, even though I do like them |
| 21:30.22 | marcg | gevaerts, I don't usually eat breakfast, so they are rare to me |
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| 21:31.33 | brik | |Kev|: you've got some interesting projects :) |
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| 21:34.50 | SITZ | SRabbelier: Have you checked your mail.. I have already sent you the mail :) |
| 21:35.07 | SRabbelier | SITZ: sure |
| 21:36.51 | Marjo_ | !goodenough |
| 21:36.53 | socinfo | Marjo_: "goodenough" is Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/am-i-good-enough/ |
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| 21:40.02 | carols | is again so happy we did that student manual last year |
| 21:43.44 | beng-nl | hi carols, nice to see you here, it's ben-from-minix/holland :) |
| 21:44.05 | carols | hey beng-nl, how's it going? |
| 21:44.45 | beng-nl | good! very happy to be participating in gsoc again! |
| 21:44.56 | beng-nl | you? crazy busy with gsoc yet? |
| 21:45.18 | carols | beng-nl: oh yeah. always :-) |
| 21:45.22 | beng-nl | :) |
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| 21:55.05 | CarterA | So...I'm under 18 but I am enrolled in an accredited college. Is there any possibility that an exception could be made to the age rule? |
| 21:57.01 | wtachi | CarterA: no |
| 21:57.06 | wtachi | it's for legal reasons |
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| 21:57.28 | CarterA | wtachi: What about if my parents signed some sort of consent form? |
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| 21:57.41 | SRabbelier | CarterA: nope, sorry, try GCI |
| 21:58.22 | carols | CarterA: i would suggest you try GCI. the age restrictions are legal ones we can't get around because you're considered a paid employee |
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| 21:59.19 | CarterA | GCI looks quite a bit more entry-level, and I'm not a beginner. |
| 22:00.42 | carols | CarterA: then wait for gsoc for next year. |
| 22:01.10 | Ivanovic | CarterA: you can talk to the projects and get more advanced projects in gci! |
| 22:01.16 | CarterA | carols: I won't be 18 for another 3 summers. |
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| 22:01.22 | gangil | or go code for some org. this summer season |
| 22:01.29 | wtachi | some projects will still mentor you, you just won't get paid |
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| 22:01.55 | carols | CarterA: then go talk to the orgs about getting involved now. you dont need gsoc to start volunteering with them |
| 22:02.20 | brlcad | CarterA: GCI doesn't really have much to do with entry level, it just expands to non-coding topics (imho) |
| 22:02.31 | brlcad | you can certainly pick up some pretty hard tasks with GCI |
| 22:04.53 | CarterA | carols: That's what I'll do. Thanks for the answers. |
| 22:04.58 | carols | yw |
| 22:05.53 | jermar | carols: hi, are all mentors expected to be receiving mails from the mentors' alias by now? |
| 22:06.00 | carols | jermar: no |
| 22:06.12 | carols | jermar: i'm still working on subscribing people |
| 22:06.34 | jermar | ok, so I'll wait; just felt a little bit out of the loop |
| 22:06.40 | jermar | thanks |
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| 22:22.20 | pouyanster | Hi! can some one help me here with an eligibility issue? |
| 22:22.27 | gevaerts | !eligible |
| 22:22.28 | socinfo | gevaerts: "eligible" is Follow this handy flowchart to see if you are eligible http://goo.gl/kvCSv (text version at http://goo.gl/ImfNT) |
| 22:22.32 | gevaerts | That's a good start |
| 22:22.52 | pouyanster | yes I know the chart and I have also read the whole text |
| 22:23.31 | gevaerts | Great :) I'm sure someone here can help then |
| 22:23.45 | pouyanster | Now I see that the text has been updated and it says: "residents and/or nationals of" |
| 22:23.58 | pouyanster | I am resident of germany and national of iran |
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| 22:24.54 | gevaerts | hm |
| 22:25.07 | gevaerts | leaves this one for carols to answer |
| 22:25.14 | pouyanster | it also says "with whom we are prohibited by U.S. law from engaging in commerce" |
| 22:25.17 | carols | pouyanster: do you have live/work status in germany? |
| 22:25.24 | pouyanster | yes |
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| 22:25.41 | carols | pouyanster: and you currently reside in germany and will for the entirety of the program? |
| 22:26.39 | pouyanster | yes I am an student and currently work for two departments at the university of duisburg-essen and I have no plans of leaving germany in following years |
| 22:26.55 | jrabbit | carols: Are accepted students going into the 2011 fall semester as of april considered students? |
| 22:27.19 | jrabbit | wait no the little graphic flow chart was jsut worded diffrently. |
| 22:27.21 | jrabbit | Nvm. |
| 22:27.44 | carols | pouyanster: then yes, you can participate as long as you are considered a resident of germany and will live and work in germany for the entire time |
| 22:27.59 | pouyanster | great :) thanks |
| 22:28.09 | pouyanster | love you guys |
| 22:28.25 | gevaerts | gets out the tea and cookies to celebrate :) |
| 22:29.01 | pouyanster | I think I made a mistake borning in the wrong country (!) |
| 22:29.29 | gevaerts | pouyanster: being caught up in politics can't be fun |
| 22:30.42 | pouyanster | gevaerts: no it aint! I think I am one of the lucky ones who could escape the country! |
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| 22:47.02 | MatthewWilkes | Hey, what's the magic invocation for getting irc urls to save? |
| 22:47.10 | MatthewWilkes | There's one in our profile already but it won't let me resave |
| 22:47.18 | MatthewWilkes | and it explicitly says it accepts irc:// urls |
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| 22:49.17 | MatthewWilkes | nm, trailing space ;)( |
| 22:49.20 | MatthewWilkes | ;)* |
| 22:50.37 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: we should strip those |
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| 22:53.10 | Crix- | each link to the ideas page of each organization is giving a '404 Not Found', but the correct link is being given for redirect from melange. thought i should let someone know. |
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| 22:57.15 | gevaerts | Crix-: the few I just tried all seem to work |
| 22:57.23 | gevaerts | Unless I'm looking somewhere else |
| 22:58.16 | Crix- | i can get to every page if i edit the address bar, but i'm still getting it. |
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| 23:25.56 | candrews | Can a student submit more than one application (one application per proposal)? |
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| 23:26.09 | gevaerts | yes |
| 23:26.44 | gevaerts | Up to twenty I think, although that sort of number almost guarantees that none of them will be very good |
| 23:27.10 | candrews | gevaerts, thank you! |
| 23:27.31 | gevaerts | http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#more_than_one |
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| 23:34.54 | in3xes | If a student gets accepted in more than one org, he/she will have option to choose among them? |
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| 23:36.24 | topfs2 | in3xes, I think the orgs decide, not sure though |
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| 23:37.39 | gevaerts | The orgs decide, but in many cases they ask what the student prefers |
| 23:38.28 | in3xes | Students can participate in that meeting? |
| 23:39.23 | gevaerts | Most (or even all) duplicates tend to be resolved before the duplicate resolution meeting |
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| 23:39.55 | gevaerts | If two orgs see that they "share" a student, there's no reason to wait with working things out |
| 23:41.37 | in3xes | How does one org know if he's accepted in other org until *that* day? They have access to those detials ? |
| 23:41.56 | MatthewWilkes | in3xes: The orgs get a warning later in the process when we're finalising who to accept |
| 23:41.59 | ojwb | in3xes: by talking to the other org |
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| 23:42.30 | ojwb | in3xes: you don't get to participate in that meeting |
| 23:42.38 | in3xes | ojwb: Oh, I didn't know they do that. |
| 23:42.44 | ojwb | IIRC the recent ones have had little to decide anyway |
| 23:42.47 | in3xes | Oh, thats sad! |
| 23:42.53 | ojwb | no, that's good |
| 23:43.02 | ojwb | it means the duplicates have already been resolved painlessly |
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| 23:44.37 | in3xes | So, all the discussion with the students happen behind the scene. |
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| 23:47.05 | ojwb | in3xes: um, no, a lot happens on irc and mailing lists |
| 23:47.13 | ojwb | well, depends on the org |
| 23:47.30 | gevaerts | There's not that much discussion in most cases |
| 23:48.10 | gevaerts | "Hey, you can get in with us (A) and with them (B). Which do you prefer?" "I prefer A" "OK" |
| 23:48.15 | ThomasWaldmann | moin :) |
| 23:48.37 | in3xes | Hmm |
| 23:49.29 | DK1983 | Hi all |
| 23:50.55 | gevaerts | It's in cases where one of the orgs *really* doesn't want to miss that student (because they only had two good proposals in the first place) that things can get a bit more involved, but again, those discussions can easily be between one person from each org and the student, and I really don't see the need for formal and archived meetings |
| 23:51.05 | ojwb | gevaerts: oh, discussion of that, I thought in3xes meant discussion in general |
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| 23:51.22 | gevaerts | ojwb: well, I don't know really :) |
| 23:51.26 | ojwb | like of their proposals |
| 23:51.47 | zangderak | question: can a student submit more than one application for the same org? |
| 23:51.50 | ojwb | yes, for students accepted more than once, there's usually a fairly small amount of discussion |
| 23:52.07 | gevaerts | zangderak: yes, but ask first. Some orgs may not like that too much |
| 23:52.23 | zangderak | ok thanks |
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| 23:54.11 | DK1983 | question: Should I apply for a project even if I have only a little experience in programing ? |
| 23:54.40 | gevaerts | !goodenough |
| 23:54.41 | DK1983 | programming * |
| 23:54.41 | socinfo | gevaerts: "goodenough" is Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/am-i-good-enough/ |
| 23:54.43 | in3xes | DK1983: throw a stone ;) |
| 23:55.03 | gevaerts | DK1983: that link has some thoughts on this |
| 23:55.12 | gevaerts | With that however, goodnight! |
| 23:55.16 | DK1983 | i meet the requirements for that link |
| 23:56.31 | in3xes | DK1983: Try this year, that'll help you to get in next year, and can give head start in contirbuting to OSS |
| 23:56.45 | zhangbei | Excuse me, the information give in submission page confused me a little. What is Publicly visible? Is it means that other *students* can view it? Or should it be "other orgs" ? |
| 23:57.24 | wtachi | zhangbei: it means anyone can view it, if you give them the URL |
| 23:57.39 | wtachi | otherwise only mentors from your org can see it |
| 23:58.51 | DK1983 | in3xes: ok, I'll try this year :) |
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