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| 00:10.49 | ojwb | well, google code in tshirts seem to have got as far an new zealand |
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| 02:43.07 | ojwb | is there some secret to making a URL a link in the "orgs who have applied" spreadsheet? |
| 02:43.43 | ojwb | ah, got it |
| 02:44.01 | ojwb | right click and show hyperlinks |
| 02:44.19 | ojwb | doesn't always seem to show the webapp's right click menu though |
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| 03:02.35 | foocraft | ojwb, where is that list? |
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| 03:04.17 | ojwb | foocraft: um, let me look |
| 03:05.18 | ojwb | https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AgfaVN-Bzcp0dDNkS1ZETEU0UzVlYmNVTFdpaW4zZXc&hl=en#gid=0 |
| 03:05.36 | foocraft | ojwb, thanks :) |
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| 03:14.54 | codestr0m | Morning! |
| 03:15.41 | ojwb | not sure if there's a readonly link to it |
| 03:16.08 | ojwb | hmm, if anyone's with monkey-project, you're meant to link to the ideas page, not your home page |
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| 03:27.45 | ravenlock | ojwb: should that be editable by ppl if not logged in? |
| 03:28.44 | ojwb | ravenlock: not sure - I certainly wouldn't be surprised if you needed to be logged in to a google account |
| 03:29.04 | ojwb | not sure who created it |
| 03:29.14 | ravenlock | I can edit it without being logged in. |
| 03:29.19 | ravenlock | which concerns me. |
| 03:29.21 | ojwb | someone from apertium maybe, given which line the disclaimer is on |
| 03:29.32 | ravenlock | what keeps anyone from rearranging the whole sheet? |
| 03:29.39 | ojwb | sanity? |
| 03:29.52 | ravenlock | there a lot of that going around lately? |
| 03:30.34 | ojwb | well, it's not my creation, so I doubt I can change that |
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| 04:44.32 | *** topic/#gsoc is Welcome to Google Summer of Code 2011! We are accepting applications for mentoring organizations until 11 March at 23:00 UTC: http://goo.gl/CnhKl Please read the FAQs - http://goo.gl/Up2Qf and the Timeline - http://goo.gl/0lYPz for more info. |
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| 08:58.45 | Husaini | how to reg for student ? |
| 08:59.05 | Husaini | organization will take the student before start the project ? |
| 08:59.26 | |Kev| | You must wait until student applications open, please see the timeline. |
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| 09:33.33 | xudifsd | Hi, there, what's the meaning of 'Create a New Document' in gsoc home page? |
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| 09:47.12 | xudifsd | anyone here? |
| 09:54.53 | kai | xudifsd: you can create documents in melange with informaation for students |
| 09:55.10 | kai | never really used that for more than the project landing page myself |
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| 10:07.41 | xudifsd | kai: Does it mean if i want to particiate in , i must fill it? |
| 10:10.06 | ojwb | xudifsd: no, just ignore it |
| 10:10.26 | ojwb | (unless you're an accepted org admin) |
| 10:10.58 | xudifsd | ojwb: eh, it is for org?? |
| 10:11.13 | ojwb | yes |
| 10:11.24 | xudifsd | oh, i see |
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| 10:19.29 | musa | hello carol |
| 10:19.50 | musa | i have something to ask |
| 10:19.59 | ojwb | musa: she isn't here |
| 10:20.11 | ojwb | it's 2am in california... |
| 10:20.21 | musa | ok... |
| 10:21.50 | gevaerts | Depending on the question you can still ask though. There are people here who've been involved in gsoc for years |
| 10:24.08 | musa | sure gevaerts..it might sound naive...but still i have one org as option.. How will i come to know if my mentor is online and is it safe to discuss my ideas in the environment where everybody is putting up their views and ideas... |
| 10:26.17 | gevaerts | musa: first find out what that organisation's normal communication channels are (this might be irc, a mailing list, or forums). Then try to get a feel for general style, introduce yourself, and ask |
| 10:27.20 | gevaerts | Note that "my mentor" may well be inaccurate. At this stage, many (or possibly even most) organisations will not have assigned mentors yet, and even if they have, the mentor isn't the only one to decide if an idea is suitable |
| 10:27.39 | gevaerts | So you'll have to talk to the development community of the organisation in general |
| 10:28.11 | gevaerts | Have a look at http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/making-first-contact/ (and the rest of the guide) |
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| 10:29.18 | musa | yeah.. my mistake...well i am keeping a track of their irc from last few days... but never tried to put forth my ideas.. always thought to follow the timeline.. what do you think.. should i wait.. or put forth my ideas |
| 10:29.47 | gevaerts | Don't wait |
| 10:30.32 | gevaerts | Talk about your ideas, and get involved (e.g. by fixing bugs) |
| 10:30.55 | musa | i am not sure about the one who is interracting with me is one of the org member.. |
| 10:32.08 | gevaerts | That doesn't always have to matter, but anyway, there are ways to find out |
| 10:33.45 | gevaerts | If their irc channel is on freenode (i.e. this server), you can "/whois <nick>", and get some information. Many organisations use "cloaks" to identify their members (try "/whois gevaerts", and you'll find out I'm with rockbox) |
| 10:34.03 | gevaerts | You also see that cloak when people join the channel |
| 10:34.31 | musa | ok... /whois gevaerts |
| 10:34.37 | gevaerts | Well, on it's own line :) |
| 10:34.38 | musa | is great |
| 10:34.55 | gevaerts | That same output may give you real names, which you can ask google about |
| 10:35.35 | gevaerts | In general though, if people appear to know what they're talking about, they probably are involved in the organisation, which at this stage should be good enough |
| 10:36.16 | thebolt | :) |
| 10:36.44 | xudifsd | "/whois gevaerts |
| 10:36.55 | |Kev| | You can also...ask. |
| 10:37.14 | gevaerts | Sure |
| 10:37.27 | musa | thank yo gevaerts |
| 10:37.31 | musa | you* |
| 10:37.42 | |Kev| | And if the org has an ideas page already, it'll hopefully have a PoC you could try as a first point of call. |
| 10:37.48 | |Kev| | s/point/port/ |
| 10:37.52 | gevaerts | But I don't want to encourage people to go "<nick1>: are you a project member?", "<nick2>: are you a project member?", and so on... |
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| 10:38.43 | gevaerts | And yes, /whois is *not* 100% reliable for this, not everyone has a cloak, and not everyone puts real names there |
| 10:39.13 | |Kev| | gevaerts: I think there's a world of difference between "Hi, I'm interested in...who'd be an appropriate person to discuss ideas with please?" and "Whheeeeee, *nickspam*" :) |
| 10:39.31 | |Kev| | Hopefully students have the brains not to do the latter, and if they don't then it's a useful filter :D |
| 10:39.49 | gevaerts | |Kev|: at least in some channels, that will result in "Just ask your question" |
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| 10:40.36 | |Kev| | gevaerts: True. |
| 10:41.27 | gevaerts | I tend to just ask, and assume that people only reply if they have something useful to say. If I'm in doubt, I'll check |
| 10:41.36 | |Kev| | I'm just aware that one could join jabber@conference.jabber.org, thinking it's vaguely XSF-official, ask questions and have people reply who sound like they know what they're talking about, but don't :) |
| 10:42.08 | gevaerts | (and hope not too many people don't /ctcp version me :) |
| 10:42.19 | |Kev| | So assume something similar could happen in other channels (e.g. I reply in various projects' MUCs, but don't have any authority there). |
| 10:42.24 | |Kev| | Oh, now, that's just too tempting :p |
| 10:42.36 | |Kev| | Haha. |
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| 10:43.39 | gevaerts | It depends on what the question is. I'd hope not too many of those answer when asking about gsoc |
| 10:44.54 | |Kev| | Immediately I think of today's SMBC :) |
| 10:44.54 | |Kev| | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2177#comic |
| 10:45.22 | gevaerts | Very true, that |
| 10:45.43 | gevaerts | If you want to know if someone knows what he's talking about, ask. If he says yes, run |
| 10:46.19 | ojwb | you sound like someone who knows what they're talking about |
| 10:46.51 | |Kev| | WATCH OUT, IT'S A TRAP. |
| 10:46.53 | thebolt | gevaerts: :P |
| 10:47.14 | ojwb | wonders what proportion of projects have a formal membership anyway |
| 10:47.15 | gevaerts | ojwb: You sound like you know how to recognise people who know what they're talking about :) |
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| 10:47.39 | ojwb | i guess if they have irc cloaks, getting one is something |
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| 10:47.49 | gevaerts | ojwb: most of them, to some extent. The question is if the committer==member assumption is enough :) |
| 10:47.51 | ojwb | and in the old days commit access was |
| 10:48.23 | gevaerts | "old days"? Sensible projects still don't use any of this DVCS sillyness, you know! ;) |
| 10:48.46 | ojwb | you seem very confident |
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| 10:49.27 | gevaerts | doesn't know *tha* much about these VCSes |
| 10:49.46 | |Kev| | I know enough that I don't want to go back to SVN :) |
| 10:49.58 | |Kev| | Or Svn, I'm never quite sure which is correct. |
| 10:50.03 | ojwb | but i think defining committer == member is too restrictive for most projects |
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| 10:50.27 | |Kev| | ojwb: It generally gives FN rather than FP, though, which is something. |
| 10:50.34 | gevaerts | In general, yes |
| 10:50.52 | gevaerts | But it all depends what you're trying to find out, really |
| 10:50.56 | gevaerts | *on |
| 10:51.25 | ojwb | from the point of view of a gsoc student in this case I guess |
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| 10:51.44 | ojwb | certainly not all mentors have commit access |
| 10:52.39 | thebolt | and in some projects it is the other way around.. not all commiters are members (anymore) |
| 10:52.39 | gevaerts | True |
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| 10:53.42 | gevaerts | I guess what you want to know as a gsoc student is whether the person who tells you your idea is or isn't wanted can be expected to voice the opinion of the project |
| 10:53.45 | |Kev| | Sure ,I still have commit access to Psi, and haven't committed anything there in years. |
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| 10:54.16 | gevaerts | Which can be a problem, because it assumes the project *has* something like a consensus opinion :) |
| 10:54.31 | |Kev| | gevaerts: Well, they must have to be choosing GSoC projects. |
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| 10:58.19 | gevaerts | I'm not sure |
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| 11:00.02 | gevaerts | In the extreme case, you filter out actual objective bad proposals (The ones that say "I can't code, I have two other summer jobs, and I want to implement something that's already there" and similar). After that, any project that gets someone interested enough to be prepared to defend it in flamewars when it's time to commit can go in |
| 11:00.09 | gevaerts | After that it's just ranking |
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| 11:01.37 | gevaerts | Of course that's not an ideal project structure :) |
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| 11:02.32 | |Kev| | As soon as you mentioned flamewars, I knew you were onto a winner :) |
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| 11:03.14 | gevaerts | Show me one project that doesn't have them :) |
| 11:04.28 | gevaerts | always gets confused by the gsoc "organisation" and "project" terminology |
| 11:04.29 | |Kev| | Well, Swift, but that's because we're a two-person project. I couldn't claim the same of the umbrella org all the time :) |
| 11:06.06 | gevaerts | I know in rockbox we have a handful of developers who are perfectly reasonable most of the time, but who can't be allowed in the same mailing list thread |
| 11:06.21 | |Kev| | Heh. |
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| 11:07.44 | gevaerts | Sometimes they even manage to get a 20+ email heated discussion going when they agree |
| 11:07.46 | Dark_Shikari | Doubly funny is the case where Project A seems to hate Project B. |
| 11:07.56 | Dark_Shikari | Triply funny is when Project A depends on project B completely and utterly. |
| 11:08.07 | Dark_Shikari | gevaerts: 20?! Hah, you are small time. You haven't seen 200-email flamewars. |
| 11:08.17 | Dark_Shikari | ... when most people agree `-` |
| 11:08.24 | thebolt | gevaerts: the project i used to mentor/admin for (crstalspace 3d) there are very few flames.. otoh, it is a very small project, with very few people involved |
| 11:08.27 | thebolt | Dark_Shikari: :) |
| 11:08.28 | Dark_Shikari | Bonus points if it's kept alive by one troll. |
| 11:09.10 | thebolt | still have fond memories of the "Advanced trolling" session at gsoc summit |
| 11:09.15 | Dark_Shikari | <3 |
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| 11:09.58 | gevaerts | Dark_Shikari: most of us figured out what's going on, so we just ignore those threads. These days they *really* are just the playground of those few people who like arguing |
| 11:10.11 | gevaerts | That helps a lot |
| 11:10.15 | Dark_Shikari | It seems every large project has a couple people who love arguing. |
| 11:10.22 | Cairo|Mobile | lol |
| 11:11.05 | sonne | errm, I've submitted and organization application and I guess pressed submit twice - now I see in the list 2 applications... how can I get rid of one of them? |
| 11:11.45 | sonne | maybe it is better to ask #melange? |
| 11:11.58 | gevaerts | sonne: I suspect so |
| 11:12.12 | sonne | doing right now |
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| 11:15.49 | akashv | rie |
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| 11:23.54 | michiel_unhosted | Sorry if this was mentioned already - it says this channel is logged, but i can't find where. Anyway, i'm getting a 500 error on http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org_app/take/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/orgapp |
| 11:24.54 | michiel_unhosted | when trying to submit our org application... |
| 11:25.35 | michiel_unhosted | ok, looks like that was a temporary problem, never mind :) |
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| 11:26.31 | ojwb | !logs |
| 11:26.31 | socinfo` | ojwb: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 11:26.35 | ojwb | michiel_unhosted: ^^ |
| 11:26.47 | michiel_unhosted | ah, thanks! |
| 11:27.44 | ojwb | 500 errors aren't unheard of |
| 11:27.48 | michiel_unhosted | wow, logs since 2008 :) |
| 11:27.57 | ojwb | retrying usually helps |
| 11:28.12 | michiel_unhosted | ok, yes, that worked for me. thanks |
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| 12:05.52 | thebolt | kai: :P |
| 12:05.59 | thebolt | kai: bribing the powers in command? ;) |
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| 12:46.15 | j0k3r | hi can anyone redirect to the previous years mentor organization??\ |
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| 12:46.39 | ojwb | the faq has links to them |
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| 12:47.13 | j0k3r | thnx |
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| 13:08.58 | k9kingshu | hello. Do anyone of you know which organizations are going to participate? I know only of openSuse. |
| 13:09.29 | gevaerts | Participate, or apply? |
| 13:09.52 | gevaerts | OpenSuse may apply, but they can'e be sure they'll participate yet |
| 13:11.04 | ojwb | https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AgfaVN-Bzcp0dDNkS1ZETEU0UzVlYmNVTFdpaW4zZXc&hl=en#gid=0 has a (clearly imcomplete) list of orgs which have said they intend to apply |
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| 13:12.29 | k9kingshu | hmmm |
| 13:12.35 | k9kingshu | thanks |
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| 13:16.34 | k9kingshu | The timeline says: March 28: Student application period opens. Where do the students apply? To the mentoring orgs or to google throught the mentoring orgs? or directly to google? (Sorry, I'm completely new to gsoc) |
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| 13:18.10 | gevaerts | You apply on the general gsoc site, to a project |
| 13:18.21 | gevaerts | Well, to an organisation |
| 13:18.32 | gevaerts | keeps getting project and organisation mixed up here :( |
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| 13:18.50 | |Kev| | gevaerts: For you they're the same, for me they're not, I think :) |
| 13:18.52 | _deXter | Hi... Anyone knows any unofficial (based on google search or something) list of possible organizations and projects list? |
| 13:19.51 | gevaerts | |Kev|: outside of gsoc, I tend to think of rockbox as a project, yes. Inside gsoc a project is a thing a student works on obviously |
| 13:20.13 | |Kev| | Ah, well, I think of that as an idea, at this stage :) |
| 13:20.18 | |Kev| | But yes, all very confusing. |
| 13:20.21 | gevaerts | Oh, at this stage, yes |
| 13:20.43 | gevaerts | But still, a project in gsoc is never a group of mentors :) |
| 13:20.47 | |Kev| | So at the moment the XSF (org) has projects (Swift, Gajim, Prosody), and ideas (make Swift rock). |
| 13:21.15 | gevaerts | "make Swift rock" is *clearly* a rockbox idea! |
| 13:21.21 | |Kev| | Then we end up have the confusion of Swift being a project under the XSF org, and also student projects :) |
| 13:22.22 | gevaerts | _deXter: that was mentioned six minutes before you joined |
| 13:22.24 | gevaerts | !logs |
| 13:22.25 | socinfo | gevaerts: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 13:22.32 | gevaerts | _deXter: See the logs :) |
| 13:22.45 | _deXter | gevaerts: lol.. tks |
| 13:22.58 | |Kev| | (Of course, only if the XSF is accepted, contents may not be as shown on packaging, etc.) |
| 13:23.17 | gevaerts | nods |
| 13:24.14 | gevaerts | Well, only ten more days and we can drop that disclaimer |
| 13:24.37 | gevaerts | The lucky ones will then of course get to say "Provided we have enough slots" all the time :) |
| 13:24.43 | |Kev| | Right :) |
| 13:24.51 | _deXter | gevaerts: am I missing something or there are no logs available for today in there? =s |
| 13:25.00 | |Kev| | At least at that stage, >=1 slots is guaranteed. |
| 13:25.15 | gevaerts | _deXter: hm, I didn't check. https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AgfaVN-Bzcp0dDNkS1ZETEU0UzVlYmNVTFdpaW4zZXc&hl=en#gid=0 seems to be the url you want |
| 13:25.37 | _deXter | gevaerts: tks. ;-) |
| 13:25.38 | gevaerts | Can we have a bot that announces all those frequently asked URLs every hour? :) |
| 13:27.07 | |Kev| | It wouldn't really. help. |
| 13:27.16 | gevaerts | Every five minutes? |
| 13:27.26 | |Kev| | On join would be sensible though. |
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| 13:32.34 | _deXter | I was betting that would be spam of android ideas/projects... but seems that I was wrong... |
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| 13:33.28 | gevaerts | _deXter: keep in mind that that list probably has at most one third of actual organisations that plan to apply |
| 13:34.36 | ojwb | !numapps |
| 13:34.37 | socinfo | ojwb: "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and 151 were accepted; 5539 proposals were submitted by students (we don't currently know how many unique students applied), and 1026 were accepted |
| 13:34.48 | gevaerts | Sorry, one fifth :) |
| 13:35.14 | ojwb | ooh, somebody had a stat for number of students |
| 13:35.17 | _deXter | yes... I know... even so... |
| 13:35.19 | ojwb | now where did I see that |
| 13:36.07 | gevaerts | _deXter: if you want android, we (rockbox) *may* have some android ideas |
| 13:36.16 | gevaerts | They're not on the list yet though |
| 13:39.46 | _deXter | gevaerts: in fact, I don't "WANT" android... I've not a special interest.. But yes, android would be nice as others would... interesting.. I applied for rockbox last year... lol |
| 13:40.12 | gevaerts | *has* to look now... :) |
| 13:42.23 | _deXter | sure... I will ;-) |
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| 13:43.14 | gevaerts | finds that proposal |
| 13:44.13 | mlankhorst | mmm |
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| 13:48.04 | mlankhorst | no barcodes for downloads on rockbox wiki site? :P |
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| 13:51.58 | sfb | kblin: ping |
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| 14:01.32 | jlonganecker | Typically how many hours a week does a student put in when he/she is participating in the gsoc? |
| 14:02.00 | mlankhorst | just as much as any other job :) |
| 14:02.20 | sfb | jlonganecker: 40 |
| 14:02.37 | gevaerts | 90 hours a week, uphill both ways, in the snow! |
| 14:02.48 | gevaerts | (or 40, at home) |
| 14:03.09 | jlonganecker | haha ok :) I would really to participate but I am doing web development work for a company. S |
| 14:03.18 | jlonganecker | So it probably best I only do one :) |
| 14:03.36 | jlonganecker | gevaerts: haha |
| 14:04.05 | sfb | jlonganecker: There's no expected number of hours just that you're supposed to treat it like a full time job. |
| 14:04.33 | jlonganecker | ok |
| 14:04.54 | gevaerts | Most organisations won't accept someone who already has another full time job |
| 14:05.22 | jlonganecker | That makes sense. |
| 14:05.23 | gevaerts | Many of us believe that it's impossible to do two full time jobs *properly* |
| 14:05.45 | thebolt | gevaerts: others of us work 80 hours per week regularily ;) |
| 14:05.57 | jlonganecker | lol |
| 14:05.59 | gevaerts | If one of them is as a security guard who has to do one round every three hours, then sure :) |
| 14:06.11 | mlankhorst | because its the definition of a full time job |
| 14:06.14 | mlankhorst | shrugs |
| 14:06.40 | thebolt | mlankhorst: well, technically you could argue that anything less than 168 hous per week is not full time ;) |
| 14:06.50 | gevaerts | thebolt: yes, some people do that, but would you say you achieve twice as much in an 80 hour week as in a 40 hour week? |
| 14:07.02 | gevaerts | You do *more*, sure |
| 14:07.12 | thebolt | gevaerts: most weeks, no :P |
| 14:07.31 | thebolt | probably need to get up to 100 hours to be more efficient than 2 40-hour weeks.. if at all possible |
| 14:07.46 | thebolt | (and you cannot do many 100 hour weeks after eachother.. i managed two, once.. will _never_ do it again) |
| 14:08.05 | jlonganecker | ouch seems like bit to much |
| 14:08.30 | sfb | thebolt: More than 50 hours in a week is a degressive curve I think. |
| 14:08.54 | thebolt | sfb: i think it dpeends.. |
| 14:09.04 | thebolt | gevaerts: i agree with you btw.. would never accept a student that has another full time job |
| 14:09.19 | sfb | thebolt: Productivity over time suffers when placing too many hours of work. Thus over the course of a month, say, you're getting less than 50% productivity in 80 hours than you would have in 40 hours. |
| 14:09.37 | sfb | thebolt: But I manage software developers, not overnight security guards. |
| 14:09.39 | sfb | thebolt: hahah |
| 14:09.43 | gevaerts | A lot depends on what you're doing |
| 14:10.17 | mlankhorst | still, I believe strongly that any hour worked after those 40 hours is counter productive on the slightly longer term |
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| 14:11.24 | dberkholz | sure, as long as you're actually working for those 40 hours |
| 14:11.29 | dberkholz | instead of dinking around on facebook or youtube |
| 14:11.36 | thebolt | sfb: well, i run my own company (with some friends).. mix of mechanical, electrical and software engineering mostly, but also do thing as component sourcing and marketing material (so quite varied).. i do generally work 50 hours a week, at least, up to 65 not uncommon.. combined with 12-15 hours of studies (language) well, it takes a lot of time |
| 14:11.39 | dberkholz | or irc =) |
| 14:11.59 | thebolt | do i wish to continue like that forever, no.. but one has to get the product out the door to get any income :P |
| 14:12.49 | mlankhorst | maybe, but you'll find that 40 hours actually makes you more focused than droning on all day :P |
| 14:12.57 | mlankhorst | best insights are done when fresh |
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| 14:14.06 | sfb | thebolt: I can see how that works out. |
| 14:14.24 | thebolt | sure, but that is usually helped by a 1 hour afternoon nap.. also not all tasks require a lot of thought, some of them are just boring things but it takes time to do and needs to be done |
| 14:14.28 | sfb | thebolt: The difference between being told you have to and actually having to. |
| 14:15.23 | thebolt | also as self-employed the difference between monday and sunday is.. zip. i work every day, unless i find something i prioritize higher (such as seeing a nice girl), then i take time off for that |
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| 14:15.40 | thebolt | i just don't think hours is a good measurement of anything really.. except for hours spent |
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| 14:17.25 | thebolt | now i need to go outside (to one of the three 7-11 i can see from my front door.. isn't this country wonderful) and get some coffee before continuing to work :P |
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| 14:20.35 | sfb | Have any of you seen this video? |
| 14:20.36 | sfb | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc |
| 14:20.42 | sfb | It's somewhat relevant. |
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| 15:22.26 | autonomous | hello all |
| 15:23.04 | autonomous | somebody knows what are the conditions to present an organisation? |
| 15:23.28 | autonomous | like if you need a registered organisation like a foundation or something like this |
| 15:24.47 | smking3 | have you looked at: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#mentoring_organizations |
| 15:25.35 | smking3 | faq says you do not need to be legally incorporated if thats what you mean. |
| 15:26.37 | autonomous | then in case your organisation is accepted you just send them some data for the money and so |
| 15:26.38 | autonomous | ? |
| 15:26.48 | gevaerts | yes |
| 15:26.59 | autonomous | ok thanks |
| 15:27.10 | gevaerts | Details to be provided by someone who has dealt with that side of things before :) |
| 15:27.23 | gevaerts | is only a lowly mentor not an org admin |
| 15:29.37 | autonomous | :) |
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| 15:34.49 | ssi|neil | autonomous: for payments look at the section of the FAQ here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#administrivia |
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| 15:36.00 | ssi|neil | it's from last year, but the process has been very similar for the last three years. You'll need to set yourself up in Google's payment/accounts system if you're not already there - this will require you and/or your organisation to provide some documentation |
| 15:37.28 | ssi|neil | I was an org admin last year, and we ended up handling payments through one of our mentors |
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| 16:09.49 | mlankhorst | just register with the conservancy ;) |
| 16:10.06 | mlankhorst | http://sfconservancy.org/ |
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| 16:16.20 | kblin | mlankhorst: doesn't work for all projects |
| 16:17.04 | mlankhorst | true |
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| 16:23.20 | kblin | mlankhorst: like I'd love to, but they don't take on game projects |
| 16:24.52 | ssi|neil | mlankhorst: plus we've missed your Feb 1st deadline ;-) |
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| 17:05.08 | cmessel_ | hi. I have a question. I am currently employed by novell, can I apply to opensuse as the organization I wish to participate in? |
| 17:06.11 | |Kev| | Typically, having two jobs doesn't work well. |
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| 17:06.33 | |Kev| | But as long as you meet all the eligibility criteria in the FAQ, you're eligible. |
| 17:06.50 | |Kev| | Oh, I see. |
| 17:06.57 | |Kev| | You want to get paid twice for doing the same job? :) |
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| 17:08.29 | |Kev| | cmessel_: This sounds likea question for carols when she appears. |
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| 17:12.46 | cmessel_ | |Kev|: thank you. well the projects are very interesting :) |
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| 17:14.58 | |Kev| | cmessel_: I can't see a problem as long as a) you don't already have a full time job, or part-time commitments that'd stop you doing a full-time job on GSoC, and b) This wasn't part of your work for Novell. But what do I know? |
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| 17:16.49 | cmessel_ | |Kev|: well that makes perfect sense to me. I will ask carols. thanks again :) |
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| 17:19.30 | |Kev| | yw. |
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| 17:19.50 | socinfo | catalinb: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 18:33.24 | sajan_ | hey guys |
| 18:33.38 | sajan_ | can anyone give me idea about slots |
| 18:33.51 | gevaerts | In what way? |
| 18:33.54 | sajan_ | which organisation gets most? |
| 18:34.12 | sajan_ | more chance of selection? |
| 18:34.26 | Catfish_Man | ones with many mentors and a large amount of expected interest |
| 18:34.43 | gevaerts | The organisations with most slots will also get most applications. |
| 18:34.53 | |Kev| | Isn't it the reverse? |
| 18:34.56 | |Kev| | Give or take. |
| 18:34.58 | gevaerts | I really wouldn't expect a better chance there |
| 18:35.14 | gevaerts | Well yes |
| 18:35.28 | gevaerts | But as an outside observer that doesn't really matter |
| 18:35.40 | sajan_ | ok |
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| 18:35.59 | sajan_ | so what is organisation you are working on? |
| 18:36.07 | gevaerts | is with rockbox |
| 18:36.10 | |Kev| | XSF |
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| 19:20.41 | Thomas_ | Hi, I've a question regarding the W-8BEN. Where should I send it to? Do you have a specific fax number? |
| 19:21.57 | EOF-sensei | hmm |
| 19:22.55 | bit | If a student submits an application and it gets accepted, can the student decide to not follow through with the project and drop out of gsoc? |
| 19:23.11 | bit | (Or is it binding in any way?) |
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| 19:23.28 | |Kev| | Morally or legally? |
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| 19:23.35 | bit | Both |
| 19:24.21 | |Kev| | A student pulling out after acceptance causes a considerable nuisance for a number of people, but they are able to do so. |
| 19:24.49 | |Kev| | If a student thought they might pull out (e.g. because they might get a different summer job), they could say that on their application, and then orgs could plan accordingly. |
| 19:25.23 | bit | Ah, ok, thank you. |
| 19:25.28 | |Kev| | *I* wouldn't immediately discount a student who said that on their app - I'd just try and arrange things so there wer backup plans. |
| 19:25.31 | |Kev| | *were |
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| 19:26.48 | |Kev| | Doing it without warning could mean orgs losing the slot because they don't have a backup, and if it happens late enough it means the loss of a slot, which means some student doesn't get a job for the summer that they could otherwise have got. |
| 19:26.59 | bit | Booo, I don't want that |
| 19:27.08 | bit | I'll put the disclaimer on my application |
| 19:27.15 | bit | Thanks again |
| 19:27.17 | bit | Bye bye |
| 19:27.21 | |Kev| | Talk with the orgs. |
| 19:27.24 | |Kev| | Always talk with the orgs :) |
| 19:28.24 | EOF-sensei | ... |
| 19:29.32 | EOF-sensei | //orgs |
| 19:30.01 | EOF-sensei | |Kev|: how are you doing this fine day> |
| 19:30.39 | |Kev| | Not so bad thanks. Might go bash on the piano for a bit, need a break from my monitor soon. |
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| 19:31.50 | EOF-sensei | aye |
| 19:32.24 | EOF-sensei | libmv will be fun if it's useful in blender |
| 19:32.51 | EOF-sensei | camera triangulation shouldn't be TOO difficult |
| 19:33.26 | |Kev| | Trangulation's easy. |
| 19:33.32 | |Kev| | If you have one line, you add two more. |
| 19:33.37 | |Kev| | If you have two lines, you add a third. |
| 19:33.47 | |Kev| | And if you have a square, you remove one line, and turn the other around. |
| 19:33.49 | |Kev| | Triangulation! |
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| 19:34.17 | |Kev| | And on that happy thought, bbiab. |
| 19:34.39 | EOF-sensei | hm |
| 19:35.00 | EOF-sensei | ]hehehehe |
| 19:35.13 | EOF-sensei | cheerful lil' tyke aren't you.... |
| 19:35.23 | Gabor_Bernat | we'll see :)) if it's just that easy :P |
| 19:35.51 | EOF-sensei | (: |
| 19:36.05 | EOF-sensei | Gabor_Bernat: hehehe |
| 19:36.14 | EOF-sensei | it shouldn't bee too difficult |
| 19:36.25 | EOF-sensei | because the expressions are uniform |
| 19:36.29 | EOF-sensei | and scalable |
| 19:37.55 | Gabor_Bernat | Yup. In that case only need to figure out the special cases and be done with it. A walk in the park. |
| 19:38.10 | EOF-sensei | :D |
| 19:38.11 | EOF-sensei | see |
| 19:38.16 | EOF-sensei | you're comin' around |
| 19:38.28 | EOF-sensei | or |
| 19:38.43 | EOF-sensei | ROFL'ing |
| 19:38.51 | EOF-sensei | either way we're good |
| 19:39.37 | Gabor_Bernat | Huge agree :D |
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| 19:43.08 | Thomas_ | W-8BEN IRS form anyone? |
| 19:43.48 | Thomas_ | Is there any specific way it should be send |
| 19:43.52 | Thomas_ | Some fax number? |
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| 20:46.37 | ironbee | I'm thinking about putting in an application as a mentoring org for our open source WAF IronBee. Do we have the option to opt-out of the mentoring org payment from Google? |
| 20:46.52 | thiago_home | yes |
| 20:47.09 | gevaerts | If you never send an invoice, you won't get money I guess |
| 20:47.14 | gevaerts | But why? |
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| 20:47.55 | ironbee | because for $500 it isn't worth the trouble of getting legal involved etc... |
| 20:48.16 | thiago_home | or $1000 |
| 20:48.20 | thiago_home | minimum two slots |
| 20:48.48 | ironbee | ya |
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| 21:24.57 | Triskelios | heh, hi Pragma |
| 21:25.20 | Pragma | Triskelios: hi dude :) |
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| 21:35.30 | carols | serves tea and coffee and chicago pizza |
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| 21:36.12 | gevaerts | gets some tea and gives some chocolate in exchange |
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| 21:37.15 | socketguru | is studying for exam |
| 21:38.00 | dotnick | I already had dinner, may I have some cookies instead? |
| 21:38.50 | gevaerts | Demanding people! :) |
| 21:39.19 | carols | dotnick: sure, you're welcome to have as many cookies as you like as far as I'm concerned :-) |
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| 21:40.57 | dberkholz | heh, is that still leftover chocolate from the last summit? |
| 21:41.48 | dotnick | wait.. theres chocolate in the summits? :| |
| 21:41.51 | gevaerts | no :) |
| 21:42.06 | gevaerts | Well, all chocolate I brought there is gone by now |
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| 21:43.12 | carols | no, no chocolate left over from the summit. it wouldn't be fresh at this point :-) |
| 21:43.17 | psychon | someone said chocolate? |
| 21:44.32 | dberkholz | lol, do you have a highlight on it? |
| 21:44.41 | dotnick | :) |
| 21:44.49 | psychon | no, but I think I should |
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| 21:55.25 | carols | sets up a highlight on chocolate |
| 21:55.26 | carols | mmm |
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| 22:03.56 | EOF-sensei | hmmm |
| 22:07.08 | brik_ | nipples on her chocolate |
| 22:07.43 | anth_x | ...nibbles? |
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| 22:11.45 | brik_ | anth_x: that would probably be a more suitable thing to do yes. |
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| 22:16.49 | dberkholz | brik_: the really weird part of that is, you didn't actually say that's what you were doing. just that it was more suitable. |
| 22:17.01 | dberkholz | on that note, i need to go find some chocolate. |
| 22:17.29 | brik_ | dberkholz: going to try nipple it? |
| 22:19.00 | dberkholz | nah, i'm at work. |
| 22:19.10 | ojwb | ironbee: you can also donate your mentoring payments to another org I believe |
| 22:19.27 | EOF-sensei | She has nipples on her chocolatew |
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| 22:21.15 | EOF-sensei | I put them on with blender sculpt |
| 22:21.54 | brik_ | oh see, it's EOF-sensei's fault :) |
| 22:24.13 | EOF-sensei | hehehe |
| 22:24.18 | EOF-sensei | my segfault it seems |
| 22:24.25 | EOF-sensei | from the commandline output of this... |
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