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| 12:45.20 | infinity0 | kcaze: mailing lists usually have an archives page |
| 12:45.30 | infinity0 | which mailing list are you trying to view? |
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| 12:53.00 | kcaze | infinity0: none in particular actually |
| 12:53.19 | infinity0 | mail-archive.org archives a lot of open source projects |
| 12:53.31 | infinity0 | wait, wrong address |
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| 12:53.42 | infinity0 | http://www.mail-archive.com/ |
| 12:54.08 | kcaze | ugh, I can't seem to access that in china either. |
| 12:54.32 | infinity0 | why the fuck are they blocking mail-archive?? |
| 12:54.51 | kcaze | who knows? |
| 12:55.10 | kcaze | maybe they're afraid people will conspire on there :P |
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| 12:55.44 | kcaze | the censorship here is pretty funny actually, searching "triangle" on google doesn't work XD |
| 12:55.56 | infinity0 | a reliable solution is to get a shell account somewhere outside, and tunnel through that |
| 12:56.30 | kcaze | yeah, I'm just relying on free proxy sites though |
| 12:56.43 | infinity0 | try 72.52.77.3? sometimes they are lazy and only block DNS |
| 12:57.38 | infinity0 | if that works but links still point to mail-archive, just add it to your hosts file |
| 12:58.18 | kcaze | nah, it doesn't seem to work |
| 12:59.44 | kcaze | ah well, it's not a big deal I guess |
| 13:01.34 | kblin | a friend of mine said tor worked pretty well for him while he was down there |
| 13:01.52 | thebolt | kcaze: sometimes it seems to be a bit crazy yea.. |
| 13:01.54 | thebolt | hi kblin |
| 13:02.50 | kblin | hi thebolt |
| 13:03.06 | kcaze | yeah, I tried tor a while back and it worked well for a brief period of time |
| 13:03.13 | kblin | man, support from companies selling embedded stuff sucks |
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| 13:04.23 | thebolt | kblin: what support? :) |
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| 13:05.20 | thebolt | i love it when it says "ask your board vendor for support"... yea, thanks :P |
| 13:05.48 | kblin | thebolt: well, in this case I bought a hawkboard from a Farnell reseller |
| 13:05.56 | kblin | on the first try, they sent me the wrong board |
| 13:06.08 | kblin | on the second try, they sent me the correct board, but it didn't work |
| 13:06.44 | kblin | turns out that's a manufacturing problem, and after stalling for a couple of months, the manufacturer finally figured out what's wrong |
| 13:06.48 | eugene | kcaze: how's life in Beijing |
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| 13:07.33 | thebolt | kblin: me and an EE friend (him being more experienced than me) looked at the hawkboard design a while ago.. parts of it is not so impressive so to say.. |
| 13:07.34 | kblin | so I contacted the reseller to return the board and get it fixed, I didn't feel like learning how to solder SMD parts on a tightly packed board |
| 13:07.53 | kcaze | eugene: the food is extremely cheap :) |
| 13:08.04 | eugene | kcaze: indeed :) |
| 13:08.06 | kblin | thebolt: I ordered it last summer because it looked like a good embedded storage server |
| 13:08.25 | eugene | kcaze: did you try the grasshoppers, worms, and other fun stuff? |
| 13:08.39 | thebolt | kblin: yea, i remember you talking about it |
| 13:08.51 | kblin | anyhow, because I've been waiting for the reseller to reply to my email for about a month now, I've had a look about maybe trying to do the soldering myself |
| 13:08.55 | thebolt | kblin: it was about the same time as i stopped having an L138 in my board design.. |
| 13:09.11 | thebolt | kblin: you have any description of what the problem is/was? |
| 13:09.18 | kcaze | eugene: heh, nope. |
| 13:09.27 | eugene | kcaze: you know where to find that? |
| 13:09.43 | kblin | thebolt: well, they have instructions on fixing it, let me see if they go into what was actually broken |
| 13:10.19 | eugene | kcaze: lots of tourists go there ;p |
| 13:10.25 | kblin | thebolt: some folks on the mailing list diagnosed the problem being a switch from industrial grade RAM to commercial grade RAM for this generation of boards |
| 13:10.30 | kcaze | eugene: nope, I've been to places that sell them in Hong Kong though |
| 13:10.49 | thebolt | kblin: okay |
| 13:10.55 | eugene | kcaze: the east side of beijing? |
| 13:11.16 | thebolt | kblin: i'm happy we moved to a premade SOM module that has all the crazy-important-hard-to-design stuff integrated ;) |
| 13:11.18 | kcaze | eugene: oh, I rarely ever go there |
| 13:11.34 | eugene | kcaze: oh ok ;) i miss beijing :< |
| 13:11.38 | thebolt | kcaze: i'd like to visit some day.. but its a bitroublesome for me to get a visa :( |
| 13:12.11 | thebolt | i live just 2½ hours flight from beijing.. but getting a visa here is much more troublesome than if i had been back in sweden, 14 hours away ;) |
| 13:12.32 | kcaze | eugene: is lan dao the best place to go to buy computer parts? |
| 13:12.47 | thebolt | (in fact, I cannot get a visa here at all.. need to go to some other country to get it :P) |
| 13:12.53 | kcaze | thebolt: Hope you do visit some day though |
| 13:12.53 | kblin | thebolt: no, they just have instructions as "people with RAM chips D9LHR having trouble booting the kernel, go and desolder ferrite beads FB 12 and FB 13 from the board" |
| 13:13.14 | kcaze | thebolt: be careful of the air though, it's quite polluted :P |
| 13:13.29 | eugene | kcaze: that's in the east of beijing, hai dian. if i want computer parts, i usually go to the e-world at zhong guan cun |
| 13:13.43 | eugene | kcaze: oh no. it's at chaoyang |
| 13:13.46 | thebolt | kblin: hehe, that was one of the problems we had with the board esign.. their use of ferrite beads :P |
| 13:13.54 | eugene | kcaze: no i haven't been to lan dao but i don't think that's the place to buy computer parts |
| 13:14.00 | kblin | thebolt: but I just found there's a capacitator of the really small SMD size mis-soldered as well |
| 13:14.20 | thebolt | kcaze: yea.. it can get kind of dense here at times, but definitely not as bad as over there on the other side of the strait |
| 13:14.26 | kblin | thebolt: what are they good for, anyway? |
| 13:15.01 | thebolt | kblin: ferrite beads? |
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| 13:15.33 | eugene | kcaze: this place, http://www.bjemall.cn/ |
| 13:15.38 | thebolt | kblin: they are small inductors, letting through low frequencies, stopping higher ones |
| 13:15.43 | kblin | yeah, I just know them as cores in transformators |
| 13:15.46 | kblin | ah |
| 13:15.59 | kblin | so they're like a frequence filter? |
| 13:16.08 | thebolt | (or rather, providing a frequency dependent resistance that is basically R=L*w) |
| 13:16.14 | thebolt | w being omega ;) |
| 13:16.39 | kcaze | eugene: huh, I should visit zhong guan cun then. Although, according to my classmates, it's pretty far away |
| 13:16.49 | kblin | aha... I should have paid more attention in EE class |
| 13:16.50 | eugene | kcaze: take a cab, it's cheap ;) |
| 13:17.06 | eugene | kcaze: it will take you about 15-20 mins? it's the best place in beijing for geeks ;) |
| 13:17.15 | kcaze | eugene: :P I'd say subway or bus is cheaper |
| 13:17.31 | eugene | kcaze: you can get there by bus. i took buses but i can't remember what the numbers off hand |
| 13:17.45 | eugene | kcaze: lan dao is at chaoyang i think. that's the financial district, business area |
| 13:17.55 | eugene | kcaze: i wouldn't want to buy computer stuff there, probably more expensive. |
| 13:19.07 | eugene | wow i just watched "taken" on TV. |
| 13:19.25 | eugene | kcaze: are you studying in pek? where at? |
| 13:19.50 | kcaze | eugene: yeah, I'm studying at an international school. It's far off in Shunyi district |
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| 13:20.18 | thebolt | kblin: yes :P |
| 13:20.28 | eugene | kcaze: many koreans there? |
| 13:20.51 | kblin | thebolt: I blame the super-boring lecturer |
| 13:21.00 | thebolt | kblin: :) |
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| 13:21.23 | kblin | thebolt: we could have done cool stuff, then I'm sure I'd have remembered things |
| 13:22.05 | kcaze | eugene: yep. my math class is easily over 75% korean |
| 13:22.14 | eugene | kcaze: rich kids |
| 13:22.27 | kcaze | haha |
| 13:22.45 | thebolt | kcaze: guess you didn't go there by your own choice then? seem a bit backward to be at an international school in a different place than your "home" ;) |
| 13:23.17 | kcaze | thebolt: well, I'm an ABC, so it sort of is my "home" I guess :P |
| 13:23.46 | thebolt | kcaze: ah, okay, but still ;) but guess it might be a bit different in the mainland as to what are good schools |
| 13:24.15 | eugene | kcaze: must be popular with girls ;) |
| 13:25.23 | kcaze | thebolt: I actually think international schools are pretty good |
| 13:25.33 | thebolt | kcaze: you do have a bunch of good universities around there though |
| 13:25.33 | kcaze | thebolt: you meet more people I think |
| 13:26.35 | thebolt | kcaze: could be.. its definitely harder to get to know chinese-speaking people unless you speak good chinese ;) |
| 13:26.47 | thebolt | (which for me is a big problem.. :P) |
| 13:27.10 | kcaze | thebolt: I take it you're learning chinese then? |
| 13:27.23 | thebolt | kcaze: yea, as much as I can spare time from my work |
| 13:27.53 | eugene | thebolt: cool :) where are you from? 2 1/2 hours from pek? |
| 13:27.53 | thebolt | kcaze: i live in Taipei (moved back here in October, used to be a student here for a year 1½ years ago) |
| 13:28.29 | thebolt | i am originally from sweden though.. |
| 13:29.13 | thebolt | chinese is damn hard to learn :( |
| 13:29.20 | kcaze | thebolt: then you should have plenty of opportunity to practice right? |
| 13:29.21 | eugene | thebolt: sure is |
| 13:30.03 | thebolt | kcaze: yea, but you need to get to a certain level before it is even possible to practice outside of class ;) (excpet with your closest friends who know you are learning and are willing to speak terribly simplified ;) |
| 13:30.50 | thebolt | (simplified in terms of vocabulary and grammar) |
| 13:31.25 | thebolt | but its interesting, and you can still survive here with very limited language ability so ;) |
| 13:31.42 | kcaze | thebolt: hmmm, well, if you have friends who are native speakers then I'd imagine it'd be much easier to improve |
| 13:32.21 | thebolt | kcaze: yea, it helps.. although with my friends i usually speak english most of the time, cause i want to get something specific across without loosing too much of the details |
| 13:32.45 | thebolt | kcaze: maybe in half a year or so I can begin to have simpler conversations though ;) |
| 13:33.52 | kcaze | thebolt: I'm actually learning Japanese right now and http://tatoeba.org/eng/home is a great site to find example sentences |
| 13:33.53 | thebolt | kcaze: language wise i envy you, and people like you, having both english and chinese from childhood |
| 13:34.11 | kcaze | they have sentences in multiple languages, chinese, english, etc. |
| 13:34.18 | eugene | kcaze: I learnt, and unlearnt Japanese ;) |
| 13:34.33 | kcaze | thebolt: Actually, I've picked up most of my mandarin after I moved to china :P |
| 13:34.41 | thebolt | eugene: :) |
| 13:34.47 | thebolt | kcaze: hehe okay :) |
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| 13:35.25 | thebolt | kcaze: i think you have to live with it daily to make any progress.. i unlearned a lot during being back in sweden for a year :P |
| 13:35.54 | eugene | thebolt: I learn by making more Chinese friends, and speak whenever I can. |
| 13:36.42 | kcaze | thebolt: yeah, hanging out with Chinese friends and speaking in Chinese definitely helps |
| 13:36.58 | eugene | thebolt: in no time, you will be able to speak the local slangs too ;) |
| 13:38.01 | thebolt | haha |
| 13:38.31 | thebolt | well, i've only been here three months so far (this time around).. but begun making friends (95% of them local) so sooner or later ;) |
| 13:38.48 | eugene | thebolt: :) |
| 13:39.04 | kcaze | thebolt: yeah, I'll bet that your Chinese improves a lot |
| 13:39.16 | thebolt | kcaze: it can hardly get worse at least ;) |
| 13:39.23 | kcaze | :P |
| 13:39.55 | thebolt | (writing/reading is lagging behind speaking a well, but I think thats ok for now) |
| 13:40.13 | eugene | thebolt: if I can, so can you ;p |
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| 13:40.45 | thebolt | eugene: hehe, yep, thats often the way i reason.. if others can do it, so can i |
| 13:41.01 | thebolt | even if it will take longer for me than my friens who have been able to study full-time |
| 13:41.07 | thebolt | (i have a company to run at the same itme) |
| 13:41.14 | eugene | thebolt: å æ²¹ |
| 13:41.37 | kcaze | thebolt: yeah, åæå°±æ¯èå© |
| 13:42.01 | eugene | thebolt: ç»å |
| 13:42.15 | kcaze | XD |
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| 13:42.33 | eugene | åµåµ |
| 13:42.41 | thebolt | è¬è¬ä½ å |
| 13:42.46 | kcaze | I should probably get to sleep, there's still school tomorrow |
| 13:42.52 | kcaze | night |
| 13:42.53 | eugene | same here. I should get some rest too |
| 13:42.55 | eugene | 886 |
| 13:43.00 | kcaze | ææ |
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| 13:44.37 | thebolt | kblin: not skilled enough with the soldering iron? :) |
| 13:45.47 | eugene | thebolt: it's not very difficult. practice makes perfect. |
| 13:47.07 | thebolt | eugene: it is difficult, but practice helps :) |
| 13:48.42 | eugene | :) |
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| 15:39.58 | kblin | thebolt: sure, I'm just not going to start practicing on a EUR 100 piece of hardware, with the smallest SMD parts I can find |
| 15:41.48 | thebolt | kblin: hehe ;) |
| 15:42.00 | thebolt | eur 100 isn't that much after all |
| 15:42.07 | thebolt | but it might be nice to practice on something else ;) |
| 15:43.40 | kblin | thebolt: I soldered a smd 12khz crystal onto my $4.30 TI Launchpad board without any problems or concerns for that matter |
| 15:44.39 | kblin | next time I'll get a thinner roll of solder, I guess |
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| 15:45.08 | kblin | and maybe a soldering iron that stops getting hotter before it starts evaporating the solder :) |
| 15:45.50 | thebolt | hehe, a temperature controlled iron is a must |
| 15:45.58 | thebolt | i also prefer hot-air soldering station for small SMD stuff |
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| 15:51.01 | kblin | yeah, there's that |
| 15:51.14 | thebolt | some things are impossible without |
| 15:52.42 | kblin | but those things are pricey :) |
| 15:53.36 | thebolt | not very |
| 15:53.47 | thebolt | i think we paid about 300 euro for our combined station |
| 15:59.40 | kblin | for something you use a handful of times a year, that _is_ pricey |
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| 16:03.34 | thebolt | maybe yea.. |
| 16:03.48 | thebolt | although, with a few ties a year usage it will last you half a lifetime ;) |
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| 17:55.16 | boom1992 | heyo Nightrose... a german "Schulbescheinigung" is enough as form for google? (it shows the start date + the year when I will leave high school) |
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| 17:56.50 | Nightrose | boom1992: i think so but i'm not with google so can't give you a definite yay or nay |
| 17:56.53 | Nightrose | i'd say upload it |
| 17:57.00 | Nightrose | if it's not enough carol will tell you |
| 17:57.15 | boom1992 | yeah I did, thanks Nightrose :) |
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