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| 14:29.38 | dberkholz | kblin: seriously. i emailed carol last night |
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| 16:30.12 | gevaerts | good morning |
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| 17:14.51 | kblin | dberkholz: and did you get a solution already? |
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| 17:40.24 | dukeleto | i see this on the org application page: Please complete this survey by Saturday, 30. October 2010 11:00PM. |
| 17:40.41 | dukeleto | carols: does that mean 11pm PST or is it still 11pm UTC = 4pm PST ? |
| 17:42.49 | dhaun | the email said: "So I've extended the deadline one day to tomorrow, 30 October at 23:00 UTC." |
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| 18:07.49 | dukeleto | dhaun: yes, it did. But the org app page has ambiguous info on it, which will lead to chaos. |
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| 18:52.27 | dukeleto | Wow. It is hard to get people to write specific tasks. |
| 18:52.45 | dukeleto | Everyone wants to wax poetic for a paragraph, but give very few details. |
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| 19:23.22 | dberkholz | kblin: it's now fixed |
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| 21:03.21 | carldani | How long should the entry for "Why has your org chosen to participate in Google Code-in?" be? |
| 21:04.16 | carldani | Two sentences, or a whole essay? |
| 21:10.18 | robbyoconnor | carldani: enough to convey your purpose behind doing it |
| 21:11.02 | robbyoconnor | (not w/ google but I'd say that you want to convince them... you can't do that in a sentence) |
| 21:11.08 | robbyoconnor | + or two |
| 21:11.50 | carldani | Well, are there any reasons except wanting to offer a chance to younger students and hoping to get some non-coding work done? |
| 21:13.25 | robbyoconnor | How about getting younger students involved with FOSS work and getting them interested in our project. Additionally, teaching them skills that they will later use in university? |
| 21:13.44 | robbyoconnor | (Bullshitting skills FTW) |
| 21:14.17 | robbyoconnor | I wrote an essay which I BS'd most of it |
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| 21:16.01 | carldani | Heh. |
| 21:16.21 | carldani | #include <gsoc_reasons.h> |
| 21:16.27 | carldani | Besides that, .... |
| 21:17.16 | robbyoconnor | I see the goal of the program to get students into FOSS development, teach them skills that will help them both in life and in their future when they get to university |
| 21:17.16 | robbyoconnor | (That's just my (verbose) take) |
| 21:17.16 | robbyoconnor | carldani: make sense or no? |
| 21:18.57 | carldani | robbyoconnor: Well... "help them [...] in life" is a bit strong bullshitting, but the rest could be fine for the casual reader. |
| 21:20.53 | robbyoconnor | carldani: it's true :) |
| 21:21.18 | carldani | "We want to invite young kids from the US to our uncensored chatroom where they can learn about FOSS development and nobody will complain if they say 'shit', 'fuck' or any other words you'd replace with *BEEP* in US TV and radio" |
| 21:21.55 | robbyoconnor | what project is this? |
| 21:22.02 | robbyoconnor | even *I* wanna jump on this |
| 21:22.22 | carldani | I'd rather not say to avoid getting rejected immediately. |
| 21:22.39 | carldani | But I think pretty much every project with a non-US leadership qualifies. |
| 21:23.00 | carldani | :-P |
| 21:25.08 | robbyoconnor | uhm... |
| 21:25.17 | robbyoconnor | even US projects |
| 21:26.07 | carldani | Admittedly seeing Eminem curse for three full minutes on afternoon free-to-air TV without being stopped or blocked until he got bored is something you probably can't enjoy in many countries. |
| 21:27.26 | carldani | robbyoconnor: Hey, don't try to change my stereotypes ;-) |
| 21:29.20 | robbyoconnor | <3 |
| 21:29.39 | carldani | I would have expected some admin in here to stop me by now. |
| 21:37.32 | carldani | robbyoconnor: Watching TV shows from the US on youtube probably had a bad influence on me, and it surely skewed the impression I had. |
| 21:37.43 | carldani | I don't wish to offend anyone. |
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| 22:28.55 | carldani | Lennie: How long should each individual task be? From the FAQ it seems that 3 days per task are the fastest expected speed (49 days, max 15 tasks paid for). |
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| 22:30.26 | Lennie | sorry |
| 22:30.26 | Lennie | my client was bugged |
| 22:30.26 | Lennie | someone pinged me :)? |
| 22:30.40 | carldani | Lennie: How long should each individual task be? From the FAQ it seems that 3 days per task are the fastest expected speed (49 days, max 15 tasks paid for). |
| 22:33.07 | Lennie | Well it really depends on the task and difficulty |
| 22:33.07 | Lennie | maybe one is not able to complete 15 hard tasks in the 49 days but completing hard tasks gets you closer to the grand prize then easy ones :) |
| 22:33.07 | Lennie | note also that the time you are setting on a task is not taking into account sleep or holidays :) |
| 22:34.10 | Lennie | also note that hard tasks don't have to be long per say as well as vice versa |
| 22:34.49 | Lennie | it also depends on how long you allow a task to be blocked for a single person |
| 22:35.46 | Lennie | carldani: does that make sense? |
| 22:36.55 | carldani | Lennie: From a student-wants-money perspective, picking the easiest tasks makes most sense. |
| 22:37.12 | Lennie | easiest and shortest yes |
| 22:37.29 | Lennie | but that won't get you the awesome prize :) |
| 22:37.46 | carldani | Lennie: We do have quite a few tasks which require a week, maybe two weeks. Even documentation tasks can't be split into infinitely small chunks. |
| 22:38.50 | Lennie | it might be good to raise these concerns to Carol asap |
| 22:40.08 | carldani | "This task is worth 3 tasks because it is hard". That would be awesome. |
| 22:40.34 | carldani | Lennie: Preferably by mailing her? |
| 22:42.08 | Lennie | yes or just the gsoc mentors list |
| 22:43.11 | carldani | will do |
| 22:43.13 | carldani | thanks! |
| 22:46.47 | Lennie | yw |
| 22:47.29 | Lennie | The real hard workers will take on the hard tasks anyway |
| 22:47.29 | Lennie | they'll get more points :) |
| 22:51.45 | carldani | Except that the FAQ and the contest rules say nothing about points. |
| 22:52.32 | kblin | phew |
| 22:53.26 | kblin | made it in time |
| 22:53.37 | carldani | kblin: Samba? |
| 22:53.44 | kblin | yeah |
| 22:54.34 | sfb | kblin: heya |
| 22:55.49 | sfb | I've been populating the task list page. (; |
| 22:56.24 | kblin | sfb: perfect, thanks |
| 22:56.40 | sfb | I can keep adding ones even though the application period has ended right? |
| 22:56.44 | carldani | "Something is missing in this form. Your changes have NOT been saved." |
| 22:57.00 | sfb | (I have an open forum thread so hopefully more ideas come of it.) |
| 22:57.26 | kblin | carldani: missing fields usually have some indication in red |
| 22:57.30 | carldani | IMHO the biggest usability issue in the interface. I had to guess the linkid of one of the past admins to get the application submitted. |
| 22:58.11 | sfb | bbl |
| 22:58.18 | sfb | Time to go hang out with the fam-damily. |
| 22:58.59 | ojwb | doesn't the linkid field auto-complete if you start to type a name? |
| 22:59.16 | ojwb | pretty sure it did for gsoc last year |
| 22:59.48 | carldani | kblin: Refusing to accept the submission if something is missing is OK. But "we don't care if your browser crashes or your connection dies, just type in everything again" sort of irks me. |
| 23:00.01 | carldani | ojwb: Didn't work for me. |
| 23:00.14 | kblin | ojwb: didn't work for me either |
| 23:00.23 | carldani | ojwb: maybe my Seamonkey version is not supported. |
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