| 00:00.28 | Mek | customs/immigrations seems mostly just to be incredibily random.. |
| 00:00.47 | Chainsaw | Mek: Yes, sometimes it seems like Google had a "don't be an idiot to our visitors" talk. |
| 00:01.01 | ojwb | i think some of them just take the job because they hate humanity |
| 00:01.14 | ojwb | others actually like interacting with people |
| 00:01.14 | Chainsaw | Mek: Other times, the potential terrorist is to look at the camera and submit the fingers like a good little drone. |
| 00:01.32 | MatthewWilkes | The best one I ever got was in Fort Lauderdale airport |
| 00:01.41 | MatthewWilkes | I had someone pull me aside and ask to see my visa |
| 00:01.54 | MatthewWilkes | I explained that I don't have one as I'm there under the visa waiver scheme |
| 00:02.09 | MatthewWilkes | she demands to know what the hell I'm talking about, so I take my passport back and show her the green slip |
| 00:02.14 | MatthewWilkes | "Where did you get this???" |
| 00:02.17 | MatthewWilkes | "... the INS" |
| 00:02.20 | MatthewWilkes | "HOW?" |
| 00:02.35 | ojwb | boggles |
| 00:02.39 | Mek | and now the green slip doesn't even exist anymore... :) |
| 00:02.41 | MatthewWilkes | "By filling in form W-94 when I arrived" |
| 00:03.20 | MatthewWilkes | provincial airports ftw |
| 00:03.50 | kshepherd | left hand, meet right hand |
| 00:04.46 | MatthewWilkes | tell me about it :P |
| 00:05.44 | MatthewWilkes | she still didn't like that I hadn't got a visa, but seemed to buy my explanation |
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| 00:13.39 | kshepherd | o/~ if you're going to san francisco... be sure to declare the flower in your hair... o/~ |
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| 05:28.40 | Waren | yo |
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| 07:21.17 | pygi | Catfish_Man, poke |
| 07:21.22 | pygi | can I pick ypir brains for a sec? |
| 07:21.27 | Catfish_Man | what's up? |
| 07:22.02 | pygi | Catfish_Man, I just recently got a mac |
| 07:22.10 | pygi | and of course I've got a problem with adium |
| 07:22.11 | pygi | ergh |
| 07:22.26 | pygi | and adium's irc is dead obviously :P |
| 07:22.32 | Catfish_Man | hm? |
| 07:22.37 | pygi | (no response) |
| 07:22.58 | pygi | so wanted to ask if you know of any problem why would adium fail to connect upon waking from sleep |
| 07:23.04 | pygi | some random socket stuff it says :) |
| 07:23.13 | Catfish_Man | hmmm. No, not offhand |
| 07:23.24 | Catfish_Man | I've been testing that all day 'cause I just turned on persistent chats |
| 07:23.26 | pygi | I have to reboot(!) to make it work |
| 07:23.45 | Catfish_Man | uhhh |
| 07:23.49 | Catfish_Man | what version of adium? |
| 07:23.54 | pygi | latest |
| 07:24.05 | pygi | 1.3.10 |
| 07:24.12 | pygi | january 13th |
| 07:24.49 | Catfish_Man | well, this is a copout since the reconnect stuff is supposed to be reliable since like 0.90, but try the 1.4 release candidate |
| 07:24.51 | Catfish_Man | beta.adium.im |
| 07:25.16 | pygi | ok do I need to uninstall this first? |
| 07:25.21 | Catfish_Man | nope |
| 07:25.22 | pygi | (bear with me, my first mac) |
| 07:25.27 | Catfish_Man | just drag it over :) |
| 07:25.33 | pygi | ok its downloading |
| 07:27.35 | kai | pygi: mac package management consists of putting all your libraries and executables in a folder called AppName.app |
| 07:29.05 | pygi | Catfish_Man, done - and first thing I notice is that instead of adium's icon in applications, I see a crossed circle xD |
| 07:29.11 | pygi | but that's a problem with every apps it installs |
| 07:29.16 | pygi | I install* |
| 07:29.22 | pygi | it goes away after a while |
| 07:29.34 | Catfish_Man | generally that means it looked for what type of app it was before it finished copying the executable |
| 07:29.43 | pygi | or well...restart xD |
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| 07:30.21 | Catfish_Man | fwiw I'm pretty sure I fixed that particular thing in 10.7 :P |
| 07:30.21 | pygi | ok, mac is on sleep |
| 07:30.27 | Catfish_Man | but it's cosmetic only, so it doesn't really matter |
| 07:30.47 | pygi | kai, right. |
| 07:30.51 | pygi | Catfish_Man, you fixed it? :P |
| 07:30.57 | Catfish_Man | yeah |
| 07:31.08 | Catfish_Man | it's due to CFBundle caching, which is one of my components |
| 07:31.16 | pygi | ok you know |
| 07:31.19 | pygi | this works now |
| 07:31.36 | Catfish_Man | huh. Well good. No idea what was wrong before, but so it goes |
| 07:32.09 | pygi | perhaps it wasn't sleeping long enough to die afterwards? Will see :P |
| 07:36.19 | pygi | so far other things seem nice |
| 07:36.33 | pygi | now I just need to get time to fix some bugs for you in adium :P |
| 07:36.52 | Catfish_Man | hehe. You came at a good time :) 1.4 final is out next week if all goes well |
| 07:36.56 | Catfish_Man | then it's free for all on trunk |
| 07:37.07 | pygi | so I can break stuff! :D |
| 07:37.55 | kai | pygi: by integrating a cd writing plugin to adium? ;) |
| 07:38.06 | pygi | kai, that's certainly a starting point! |
| 07:38.27 | pygi | but hey, perhaps I could give it a shot at other things!? This GSoC I wasn't doing cd writing! |
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| 07:40.55 | pygi | kai, what abre |
| 07:40.57 | pygi | ergh |
| 07:41.07 | pygi | what are you upto apart from picking on my cd writing stuff? :P |
| 07:41.29 | kai | preparing for the mentor summit |
| 07:43.35 | kai | and implementing a DNS server |
| 07:43.43 | kai | and async client library |
| 07:44.01 | pygi | for burning? :P |
| 07:45.43 | kai | for DNS |
| 07:45.50 | pygi | I know ÄP |
| 07:46.19 | kai | I know you know |
| 07:46.21 | pygi | :P |
| 07:46.32 | kai | anyhow, that, and $dayjob |
| 07:46.47 | pygi | yanli, I've been doing some of that for the past 6 months as well |
| 07:46.52 | pygi | no development for me :D |
| 07:47.20 | pygi | Catfish_Man, looking over tons of bugs which says they are for new folks :P |
| 07:47.38 | Catfish_Man | heh. I think I stole most of the low hanging fruit before I left ;) |
| 07:47.48 | Catfish_Man | anyway, bedtime for me |
| 07:47.49 | Catfish_Man | 'night |
| 07:47.52 | pygi | night |
| 07:47.55 | pygi | damn! |
| 07:48.13 | pygi | I wonder where did you left tho o.o |
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| 07:50.03 | kai | pygi: he sold his soul to apple, obviously |
| 07:50.18 | pygi | seems like it |
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| 08:17.13 | thebolt | morning MatthewWilkes |
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| 08:19.02 | MatthewWilkes | hi thebolt |
| 08:19.10 | kai | hey thebolt |
| 08:39.19 | thebolt | how're you doing? |
| 08:50.13 | kai | fine, trip-planning the shopping my friends asked me to do |
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| 08:58.11 | thebolt | hehe |
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| 09:24.56 | MatthewWilkes | listens to http://open.spotify.com/track/5Fvahlj3CiUqopfgzZujJw to get into the spirit of imminent USA visit |
| 09:25.07 | MatthewWilkes | err, http://open.spotify.com/user/team_rubber/playlist/2NBINzusWsgsgZCvDnUlTq sorry |
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| 09:28.39 | thebolt | spotify does not like me anymore.. have to start paying to get it :/ |
| 09:28.57 | MatthewWilkes | indeed |
| 09:29.04 | MatthewWilkes | worth it though |
| 09:29.27 | MatthewWilkes | I'm a redneck woman, I ain't no high-class broad, I'm just a product of my raising and say hi y'all and yee-haw! |
| 09:29.30 | MatthewWilkes | love it |
| 09:33.18 | thebolt | hehe yea, might buy an unlimited subscription |
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| 09:34.26 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: unlimited? What does that get you?? |
| 09:34.35 | MatthewWilkes | Thought it was only premium or free |
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| 09:36.26 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: nah, they added an "unlimited" subscription asd well |
| 09:36.47 | thebolt | gives you same as premium except for no mobile, no offilne, no exclusive |
| 09:36.59 | thebolt | but gives unlimited travel, which is what i need ;) |
| 09:37.08 | MatthewWilkes | indeed |
| 09:37.17 | thebolt | (and half price compared to premium) |
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| 09:37.20 | MatthewWilkes | I use spotify mobile at least an hour a day though |
| 09:37.29 | thebolt | they have no client for my mobile |
| 09:37.38 | thebolt | and data on my mobile is expensive atm |
| 09:37.41 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Christ, how old is your phone? |
| 09:37.47 | MatthewWilkes | yeah, but you can sync over wifi |
| 09:38.09 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: summer 08 |
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| 09:38.43 | thebolt | ah, actually they just released a client for me |
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| 09:38.45 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Sounds like somebody needs a new android phone |
| 09:39.19 | thebolt | hehe, if they where free, sure ;) |
| 09:39.35 | MatthewWilkes | go to google io? |
| 09:39.40 | thebolt | but then i need another plan to get data cheaper (currently on a pre-paid subscription) |
| 09:39.43 | MatthewWilkes | they gave everyone 2 last year, apparently |
| 09:39.46 | thebolt | and i just got this phone number |
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| 09:42.01 | MatthewWilkes | hey, actually, that reminds me |
| 09:42.17 | MatthewWilkes | for people that went to the mentor summit last year, remember those cool periodic table posters? |
| 09:42.51 | MatthewWilkes | Is it too much to hope for that there'll be stickers there this year to add copernicium? |
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| 09:48.51 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: probably cheaper to get a phone here though ;) |
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| 13:52.42 | dberkholz | kai: are you gonna make it out this year? |
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| 14:37.20 | sfb | dberkholz: I hope he is! |
| 14:38.28 | MatthewWilkes | Anybody else around going to be on AF84 tomorrow morning from Paris? |
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| 14:47.14 | thebolt | nope |
| 14:47.35 | thebolt | couldn't make it there in time even if i wanted :P |
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| 19:36.14 | harlan | So is hte conference in the same buildings as it was in recent previous years? |
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| 19:54.52 | scorche|sh | i am hanging around SFO in terminal 3 waiting for for someone - anyone else happening to be hanging around? |
| 19:54.54 | scorche|sh | s/happening/happen |
| 19:55.21 | tierra | little early? :) |
| 19:55.25 | nano- | Hi, I just noticed that mentor orgs should submit POs for the mentors going to the GSoC, I inherited the admin position during the GSoC and I completly missed this.. is this a problem? |
| 19:55.46 | tierra | scorche|sh: I fly into SJC tomorrow around 12:30 |
| 19:56.06 | nano- | Last time I went to the summit I sent my PO for the flight a couple of months after the summit and that was fine.. just wondering if I should be stressed now or the PO can be handled whenever? |
| 19:56.41 | scorche|sh | tierra: hanging around San fran for a day before the summit |
| 19:56.53 | scorche|sh | i have the free time, so might as well =) |
| 19:56.56 | tierra | nano-: if it's still within 30 days of submitting your invoice, I think it can still be ammended |
| 19:57.23 | scorche|sh | well, one cannot submit an invoice without having a PO... |
| 19:59.24 | nano- | tierra: What do you mean? |
| 20:00.19 | dberkholz | if your current PO doesn't have enough money to cover the summit expenses, you'll probably need to get a second PO |
| 20:00.20 | nano- | Exactly.. last time I was at GSoC Summit as mentor it was different as each mentor would submit their own POs, then I submited my PO a couple of months after the summit, and after that the invoice. |
| 20:00.29 | nano- | So just wondering if there's any rush in getting the PO in. |
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| 20:01.15 | dberkholz | if your summit attendees don't care about getting reimbursed in a timely manner, then not really |
| 20:02.06 | nano- | Ok, great. |
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| 20:17.10 | SaadTalaat | Hello? |
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| 23:43.49 | verm__ | so.. i've got a question as a mentoring orginsation for google GCI. |
| 23:44.06 | verm__ | in the admin agreement #12 it says that the student retains ownwership of all intellectual and inustrial property rights. |
| 23:44.36 | verm__ | how does that apply to a project that is licensed under say, a 2-clause BSDL? |
| 23:45.32 | Catfish_Man | verm__: I'm no lawyer, but that sounds fine |
| 23:45.38 | Catfish_Man | more interesting would be if the project requires copyright assignment |
| 23:45.46 | harlan | that's what I was wondering too. |
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| 23:48.32 | verm__ | Catfish_Man: right, it seems like a grey area, hopefully it can be further clarified |
| 23:50.16 | noirin | verm__: IANAL, but I'd guess that the student retains ownership of all rights, and licenses the code under whatever license. Licensing under, say, 2-clause BSD, isn't incompatible with retaining *ownership* of the rights. |
| 23:50.43 | verm__ | yes that's exactly what i was thinking. |
| 23:51.13 | harlan | if that's true it would be OK. The point for us is that we need to be sure we can use (and keep using) any of the code the student produced, even if the student retains IP rights. |
| 23:52.05 | verm__ | noirin: the only part that worried me is it isn't mentioned in the clause itself, about licensing under the projects license. |
| 23:52.17 | noirin | verm__: Presumably that's up to the project to negotiate with the student |
| 23:52.51 | noirin | So for Apache, we'd ask them to sign an ICLA and license us their contributions. I imagine most projects have similar mechanisms. |
| 23:53.08 | harlan | the student is a minor and cannot enter into a contract... |
| 23:53.12 | noirin | Ah, yeah |
| 23:53.13 | noirin | Hmm |
| 23:53.29 | noirin | Dunno how it works in that case, although I'm pretty sure we've gotten an ICLA from a parent in the past |
| 23:53.45 | verm__ | yeah i was figuring the parent would sign it as well |
| 23:53.47 | noirin | (Not for GSOC/HOP/CI though) |
| 23:54.07 | harlan | understood - this would be our first time doing this and it is an issue we want to handle responsibly. |
| 23:55.01 | harlan | I suspect that it would be simpler/easier to handle this closer to Google than for each project to do. |
| 23:56.20 | verm__ | yeah that's what i was expecting as well but i see no mention of it.. i guess we'll have to ask them to clarify on how they expect it to be handled. |