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| 04:45.08 | thebolt | Morning |
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| 05:05.23 | segfaultx86 | Hi there. Is it ok I create a copy of the work I did during GSoC and hosted it on another repository, say like the one I have on Github? I would be making it read only, but I like to have everything in one place. |
| 05:10.43 | segfaultx86 | Everything in one place meaning with all the other projects I have done (outside of GSoC) |
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| 05:14.46 | ojwb | segfaultx86: of course - all open source licences allow redistribution |
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| 05:15.25 | segfaultx86 | ojwb, I am aware of that, but I thought it best to ask whether it was ethically ok do it for code produced under GSoC. Thanks for the clarification. |
| 05:15.39 | ojwb | it's fine ethically too |
| 05:16.34 | ojwb | if you want to make totally sure you don't offend anyone, check with your mentor, or other people in your org |
| 05:17.29 | segfaultx86 | Yes, that should be the right way to do it. I will ask them once. ty. |
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| 08:54.14 | kai | scratches his head and wonders if rules to get a proceedings paper published are lower than for normal research papers |
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| 09:21.59 | neXyon | is it possible to transfer money TO our citi account? |
| 09:25.55 | gevaerts | Holiday request approved \âº/ |
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| 10:03.46 | hiddenpearls | kai: I wish to be featured on GSoC blog. how it can be possible ? |
| 10:04.19 | hiddenpearls | like this http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/sixth-annual-summer-of-code-flexes-some.html |
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| 10:06.54 | kai | hiddenpearls: two ways of doing this.. |
| 10:07.25 | kai | hiddenpearls: 1) you can hack your way into blogger and just add your post |
| 10:07.33 | kai | hiddenpearls: 2) talk to carols |
| 10:08.13 | kai | 2) is probably easier and certainly less illegal |
| 10:09.57 | hiddenpearls | kai: 2) I would go with this way ;) |
| 10:10.37 | kai | no guarantee any of these suggestions will actually work |
| 10:11.05 | hiddenpearls | kai: ok no problem. |
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| 10:11.58 | mkarnicki | it's a google blog (googleblog) - I think it might be hard, in a split second everybody will want to be featured on google blog.. |
| 10:13.04 | mkarnicki | hiddenpearls: kai: â |
| 10:13.13 | kai | mkarnicki: I'm aware of that |
| 10:13.29 | hiddenpearls | ok |
| 10:13.39 | kai | I'm thinking that hacking blogger will be hard as well |
| 10:13.53 | hiddenpearls | kai: hmm |
| 10:14.51 | kai | I'm just saying that given Carol Smith is the only person who'll have permission to post about GSoC to that blog, going through her is the only real option |
| 10:15.14 | mkarnicki | Agreed |
| 10:15.18 | ojwb | i don't know what carols' policy is, but lh seemed happy to have a stream of success reports from different orgs |
| 10:15.41 | mkarnicki | *orgs* - that sounds proper :) (not a single user perhaps?) |
| 10:15.49 | ojwb | oh, i missed that |
| 10:16.04 | mkarnicki | ojwb: np, your hint was appropriate :) |
| 10:16.12 | kai | ojwb: yeah, but the request in this case seems to be "I want to be on the google blog, like these four girls" |
| 10:16.30 | kai | which is likely to be hard |
| 10:16.49 | mkarnicki | which, if successes, will follow hundreads of "I'd like that too" -- you know what I mean |
| 10:16.50 | ojwb | i think that was partly to encourage female participation |
| 10:16.59 | mkarnicki | ojwb++ |
| 10:17.15 | ojwb | which is better than the average for open source, but apparently well below general IT, and of course the population |
| 10:17.34 | kai | wow, mithro grew a beard |
| 10:17.53 | mkarnicki | is away having breakfast ;) |
| 10:18.39 | hiddenpearls | ojwb: i agree with your thoughts: they are featured because of about female particpation |
| 10:19.30 | ojwb | hiddenpearls: so you probably either need to work with your org to produce a summary of their gsoc experience, or find an "angle" |
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| 10:21.14 | hiddenpearls | ojwb: ok |
| 10:22.29 | kai | if it's any consolidation to you, I've been with the program since the beginning, and I'm mentioned on the now-defunct gsoc blog twice, and never featured. |
| 10:22.49 | kai | not every gsoc student is Angie Byron :) |
| 10:27.07 | erlehmann | who is angie byron? |
| 10:28.10 | hiddenpearls | kai: who is Angie Byron ?? |
| 10:29.04 | kai | omg |
| 10:29.23 | ojwb | if only there was a website where you could type in some words and find out about them |
| 10:29.31 | erlehmann | IF ONLY |
| 10:30.01 | ojwb | but to summarise she's one of gsoc's real success stories |
| 10:30.30 | hiddenpearls | ojwb: I just google about her |
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| 12:07.51 | thebolt | Afternoon all |
| 12:10.09 | thebolt | kai: well, i know who you are.. but i never read the blog ;) |
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| 12:29.44 | kai | phew |
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| 12:52.52 | kai | a question for the english native speakers out there... "With the rapid accumulating apple pie recipes, apple pie baking is becoming an increasively active cooking area".. the first part isn't proper English, is it? |
| 12:53.57 | drt24 | accumlulation would I think be |
| 12:54.13 | drt24 | I fail at spelling though |
| 12:54.20 | kai | that's what I'd say |
| 12:54.54 | kai | "with the rapid accumulation of ..." or maybe "with the rapidly accumulating apple pie reciepes" |
| 12:55.46 | LawnGnome | Yeah, it'd be "rapidly accumulating". |
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| 12:56.39 | kai | also.. "A challenging issue in apple pie baking, as similar as many other baking problems. is how to preheat the oven" |
| 12:57.11 | kai | "as similar as" sounds bogus, I guess "similar to" reads better, right? |
| 12:57.13 | LawnGnome | I'd go with: "A challenging issue in apple pie baking, similar to many other baking problems, is how to preheat the oven". |
| 12:57.38 | LawnGnome | Also, I now want pie. Damn you. :P |
| 12:57.49 | kai | !cake |
| 12:57.49 | socinfo | "cake" is Cake used to be a lie, until lh got us some. |
| 12:59.44 | thebolt | :) |
| 12:59.46 | kai | oh, one last one... "This issue has two folds: 1) foo 2) bar".. shouldn't that rather be "The issue is twofold" ? or even "There are two issues:" |
| 12:59.58 | thebolt | kai: why are you writing about apple pie baking? ;) |
| 13:00.12 | kai | thebolt: I'm reviewing a paper |
| 13:00.38 | LawnGnome | Either of the last two are technically correct, although the last one reads more smoothly, IMO. |
| 13:00.39 | ojwb | twofold sounds good, if it's two aspects |
| 13:01.00 | ojwb | if they're totally different issues, the second is definitely better |
| 13:01.23 | kai | thebolt: and as internationally recognized expert on apple pies, they of course asked me ;) |
| 13:01.40 | thebolt | kai: hehe |
| 13:01.45 | LawnGnome | Also, on balance, I _think_ it would be "the issues are twofold", but I'm always wary about non-standard plurals -- they differ from English dialect to dialect. |
| 13:04.24 | kai | LawnGnome: well, I'll leave that up to the editor to fix |
| 13:04.41 | kai | I just thought that "the issue has two folds" doesn't make sense |
| 13:05.39 | LawnGnome | Yeah, that's definitely not the way you'd phrase it. :) |
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| 15:08.57 | dberkholz | kai: any chance the primary author is asian? sounds like that kind of mangle. |
| 15:12.08 | thebolt | dberkholz: prejudices.. my experience is that any non-native speaker/writer can botch english pretty well if they want to ;) |
| 15:12.42 | gevaerts | agrees |
| 15:13.00 | gevaerts | Although native speakers often manage quite well too |
| 15:13.08 | thebolt | True |
| 15:13.19 | thebolt | but i didn't say they don't ;) |
| 15:13.22 | dberkholz | in my experience, there seem to be characteristic botches depending on how the primary language maps to english... overly literal grammar |
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| 15:22.07 | thebolt | true, different levels of bad english ;) |
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| 16:42.28 | neXyon | does anyone know if it is possible to transfer money to our citi card? and if yes, via paypal? |
| 16:45.00 | drt24 | neXyon: the general idea is to get the money off the card rather than to put any on it. |
| 16:45.24 | neXyon | drt24: well I made a mistake at xe.com and now I miss some money :-/ |
| 16:45.35 | drt24 | ahh :-( |
| 16:46.29 | svaksha_ | ouch |
| 16:47.05 | neXyon | I'm missing the 21 dollars for the wire transfer -.- I thought that's already included in the amount I enter |
| 16:49.23 | neXyon | any other idea how to solve the problem? I already sent a mail to xe, 8 hours ago, but didn't get an answer yet |
| 16:49.36 | svaksha_ | neXyon: try emailing the support team at xe.com <-- there was a mail on the list saying they were helpful |
| 16:50.09 | svaksha_ | neXyon: timezones ? you might try waiting for 24 hours atleast |
| 16:50.29 | neXyon | nods. |
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| 17:14.51 | vjsamuel | !next |
| 17:14.51 | socinfo | "next" is Google Summer of Code 2010 is over. Watch the Google Open Source Blog for results, your inbox for t-shirts and spend your time writing some useful or fun code. |
| 17:17.42 | coppro | should really submit code samples |
| 17:18.21 | drt24 | indeed |
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| 17:37.50 | neXyon | svaksha_, drt24: awesome, xe.com was so kind as to lower the transaction amount by 21 $ :) |
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| 17:47.27 | drt24 | :-) |
| 17:53.53 | carols | kblin: you around? |
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| 18:09.53 | thebolt | Hello |
| 18:10.08 | thebolt | carols: kblin is always around, just a matter of latency in his response ;) |
| 18:10.20 | carols | thebolt: indeed. :-) |
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| 20:17.45 | kblin | evening folks |
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| 20:18.02 | thebolt | hi kblin |
| 20:18.13 | kblin | hey thebolt |
| 20:18.38 | thebolt | what's up? |
| 20:22.35 | kblin | trying to get my dockstar to run moosefs |
| 20:23.08 | thebolt | Ok .) |
| 20:23.13 | thebolt | is going to mess with HW tomorrow |
| 20:23.21 | thebolt | hm, SW, not HW ;) |
| 20:23.32 | thebolt | will try to see if i can get the RT patches to apply and compile on my OMAP kernel |
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| 20:24.02 | kblin | ha! gotcha |
| 20:24.14 | thebolt | still not sure if i need it, but if i do it would be good if it can be done ;) |
| 20:24.24 | kblin | the hell knows why I can 'su' to one user and not to the other |
| 20:25.29 | thebolt | hehe |
| 20:27.11 | thebolt | most of all I need low _jitter_ timers (but mostly just around 200Hz or so) |
| 20:30.49 | [mharrison] | Just applied for a job at Google Boston - wish me luck |
| 20:31.09 | kblin | good luck |
| 20:31.28 | kblin | I wonder what their interview questions are like |
| 20:33.01 | [mharrison] | Scary |
| 20:33.03 | thebolt | heh |
| 20:33.48 | [mharrison] | I do know that "Google it" is never the right answer, even if that's how you'd actually go about solving a problem |
| 20:34.17 | gevaerts | No, especially if they keep adding useless bloat to the search thing :) |
| 20:34.39 | Catfish_Man | so, normally I ignore that sort of thing, but you just hit a pet peeve of mine |
| 20:34.58 | Catfish_Man | gevaerts: "bloat" is a useless, meaningless word that people use to describe anything they don't like. It's an appeal to emotion with no rational basis |
| 20:34.59 | Catfish_Man | stop doing it |
| 20:35.20 | gevaerts | s/bloat/junk/ ;) |
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| 20:52.53 | kblin | hey carols |
| 20:53.05 | carols | hi kblin |
| 20:54.04 | kblin | I'll try to remember sending you an email soon so we can discuss where to have lunch next week |
| 20:54.27 | [mharrison] | Catfish_Man, "bloat" specifically is a pet peeve, or just the misuse of words? |
| 20:55.15 | Catfish_Man | [mharrison]: hmm. "bloat" specifically, but it's an icon for a concept |
| 20:55.44 | carols | kblin: i sent you an email already about that :-) |
| 20:55.54 | thebolt | well, for me "bloat" would have a pretty specific meaning (esp in a technical context) |
| 20:56.02 | Manca | ae? |
| 20:57.05 | kblin | ha |
| 20:57.13 | Catfish_Man | [mharrison]: it's particularly common with browsers. People complain about Firefox "adding bloat" and attribute all ills to it |
| 20:57.16 | kblin | carols: you're psychic :) |
| 20:57.32 | gevaerts | A good thing I wasn't talking about browsers then |
| 20:58.02 | Catfish_Man | [mharrison]: when what they really mean is "I had a performance problem" AND "I don't like the new url bar", but they want to try to blame the first on the second to help get it removed |
| 20:58.07 | thebolt | (as in "code bloat" where you have an uneccesary amount of code not adding any extra functionality over how a shorter and more efficient way of writing it would have) |
| 20:59.38 | [mharrison] | Catfish_Man, ah, gotcha |
| 21:01.31 | gevaerts | tends to not have issues with iceweasel, except that he doesn't even want to think about trying to reproduce his settings from scratch |
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| 21:01.50 | Catfish_Man | thebolt: indeed. It's gotten hijacked though |
| 21:01.51 | kblin | bloat, n. - stuff I don't like |
| 21:01.51 | kblin | very scientific |
| 21:01.56 | Catfish_Man | "memory leak" has also somewhat gotten hijacked, so that in common usage it now means "using a lot of ram", or sometimes even "slow", or "I don't like it" |
| 21:02.28 | gevaerts | bloat, n. Stuff I don't like, which additionally uses more resources |
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| 21:03.28 | tylercurtis | gevaerts: Do Google's changes about which you were complaining use more resources? |
| 21:03.30 | gevaerts | tends to not complain as long as there's a setting to turn off the new stuff he doesn't like |
| 21:03.48 | gevaerts | tylercurtis: not if I disable them, no |
| 21:04.01 | kblin | night folks |
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| 21:07.52 | tylercurtis | gevaerts: So, additional features that can be disabled, in which case they don't consume more resources, if one dislikes them are bloat? What cannot qualify as bloat by that definition? |
| 21:09.20 | gevaerts | tylercurtis: some of the relatively recent google features (that actually hinder my normal workflow) *can't* be disabled without using e.g. firefox extensions. |
| 21:10.48 | gevaerts | tylercurtis: also see what Catfish_Man said. "It's an appeal to emotion with no rational basis" can actually be what I want some of the time :) |
| 21:11.30 | tylercurtis | gevaerts: Fair enough. I mistakenly inferred from "not if I disable them, no" that they could be disabled. Carry on. :) |
| 21:13.32 | gevaerts | The feature I particularly dislike is that search result URLs tend to have javascript bloat^H^H^H^H^Hjunk^H^H^H^Hhelpers in them these days, which means you can't easily paste them elsewhere any more. Technically you can disable them by logging out, but then other stuff that requires you to be logged in stops working |
| 21:13.52 | gevaerts | Maybe there's a way to disable that, but I didn't find it |
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