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| 04:39.12 | thebolt | Morning |
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| 05:33.50 | kblin | haha, busted |
| 05:34.06 | kblin | btrfs still seems to be pretty experimental |
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| 06:29.43 | thebolt | hi kblin |
| 06:29.52 | thebolt | Kaetemi: well, their wiki says so as well, so i don't doubt it ;) |
| 06:35.55 | ojwb | wikis never lie! |
| 06:36.38 | thebolt | bah |
| 06:36.41 | thebolt | kblin:* |
| 06:37.07 | thebolt | ojwb: well, if a project on their official wiki says "this is experimental software, don't use it for real" then I tend to trust them ;) |
| 06:39.52 | ojwb | that depends how long it says it for |
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| 07:24.31 | kai | thebolt: but I need btrfs to test an even more experimental file system that says "don't use this!" when starting up the management daemons |
| 07:24.48 | thebolt | kai: ehm? :) |
| 07:25.10 | kai | the ceph distributed file system is built on top of btrfs |
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| 07:28.35 | thebolt | ah, I see |
| 07:28.52 | thebolt | just don't store any data that is valuable or takes time to generate there ;) |
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| 07:29.35 | kai | not planning to |
| 07:30.23 | kai | but I'm currently trying to delete a directory, and if I rm -rf /path/to/dir as root, I get a "can't rmdir /path/to/dir/subdir: directory not empty" |
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| 07:31.20 | thebolt | haha, nice ;) |
| 07:31.40 | thiago_home | no other error before? |
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| 07:32.15 | kai | of course it is empty, btrfsck claims the fs is fine, "sync"ing, remounting and even rebooting doesn't change the error message |
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| 07:33.04 | thiago_home | how about lsof? |
| 07:33.09 | thiago_home | maybe it's a deleted file still open |
| 07:34.20 | kai | after a reboot? |
| 07:34.36 | thiago_home | right... |
| 07:35.16 | kai | I suspected something like that (or the kernel module being wonky) so I though a reboot was faster than me checking all the different possibilities |
| 07:35.28 | kai | these new ubuntus come up pretty fast |
| 07:36.05 | thiago_home | boots meego from power button to usable in 20 seconds |
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| 07:36.13 | thiago_home | 10 of which are spent before grub/extlinux |
| 07:36.34 | ojwb | i'd expect an open deleted file wouldn't block deleting the directory it used to be in though anyway |
| 07:36.43 | thiago_home | ojwb: it doesn't block |
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| 07:37.23 | thiago_home | not normally, that is |
| 07:37.26 | ojwb | thiago_home: that was my point |
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| 08:38.48 | kai | yay, more performance! |
| 08:39.22 | kai | haxorzed some scripts and got a 300% performance boost |
| 08:39.42 | kai | now I wonder if -funroll-loops will help ;) |
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| 08:42.07 | MatthewWilkes | kai: WHAT R UR CFLAGS? ZOMG SO FAST. |
| 08:42.35 | justinas | -09 :-D |
| 08:43.40 | thebolt | haha |
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| 08:45.43 | MostAwesomeDude | kai: If you're bored, see what -fweb -ffast-math does to your code. |
| 08:45.59 | MostAwesomeDude | wonders if that combination is still lethal to some code |
| 08:46.10 | kai | MostAwesomeDude: it's bash scripts, though |
| 08:46.26 | MostAwesomeDude | kai: Oh. :3 |
| 08:47.49 | kai | I just noticed that the code that was supposed to print a pretty progress bar using dialog was doing 2-3 $(ls -1 | grep | wc -l) calls per iteration |
| 08:48.05 | gevaerts | kai: but is bash compiled with -funroll-loops? :) |
| 08:48.29 | kai | not to mention that "grep | wc -l" can be turned into "grep -c" to save one process |
| 08:48.56 | smtms | which works for GNU grep only? |
| 08:49.15 | kai | smtms: || <-that's how much I care |
| 08:49.38 | kai | smtms: it's academic code, portability is the least of it's issues |
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| 08:50.34 | kai | readability and sometimes even runability more so |
| 08:52.34 | kai | anyway, if that ever turns out to be a problem, I can easily put the "| wc -l" back.. now that only runs once per task, not a couple of thousand times per task |
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| 08:56.02 | thebolt | optimizing bash-script sounds like, well.. using the wrong tool for the job ;) |
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| 08:58.25 | kai | thebolt: I disagree |
| 08:58.53 | kai | I don't think without knowing the job this is a valid statement to make :) |
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| 08:59.43 | kai | it's a mixture of bash/perl scripts that call out to executables that do the real work |
| 09:00.01 | kai | you might argue that this is the wrong job, but pay is decent and I like it :) |
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| 09:01.01 | thebolt | well i mean, if the speed of the bash script is limiting, then probably bash isn't the tool to do it |
| 09:02.23 | smtms | the speed of fork+exec is limiting |
| 09:02.31 | smtms | maybe Linux isn't the right tool for the job |
| 09:03.19 | ojwb | the speed of 2000 fork+execs was, the speed of one probably isn't |
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| 09:05.21 | smtms | ojwb, do you really believe the speed of 2000 fork+execs is unrelated to the speed of one? |
| 09:06.09 | ojwb | no, but the comparison is the speed of each to everything else which is happening |
| 09:06.09 | ojwb | not to each other |
| 09:07.06 | ojwb | the time it takes to put my shoes on before i go out rarely matters |
| 09:07.17 | ojwb | if I had to put 4000 shoes on it probably would be |
| 09:09.35 | kai | smtms: would be worse on systems where fork is more expensive, like windows |
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| 09:11.52 | smtms | my statements should be interpreted relative to what thebolt said |
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| 09:45.33 | justinas | Morning. |
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| 09:53.50 | kai | waves at justinas |
| 10:03.50 | justinas | Hello, kai. :-) |
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| 10:08.00 | thebolt | hm, lunchtime |
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| 11:57.52 | kai | ha, I wrote a python scrip that's shorter than the equivalent perl script :) |
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| 13:06.07 | dzn | hi, does someone know how to increase the withdrawal limit on the prepaid card? |
| 13:06.28 | dennda | by calling them i think |
| 13:07.14 | dzn | i did call |
| 13:07.24 | dzn | same number as the pin -select number? |
| 13:07.29 | dzn | it's not an option there |
| 13:07.42 | justinas | dzn: You can contact with a live operator. |
| 13:07.49 | Jun | You can increase your limit to 2500 dollar... |
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| 13:08.12 | Jun | Right, press 0 at some stage, and you can get manual help |
| 13:08.20 | dzn | oh ok |
| 13:08.23 | dzn | i'll try, thx |
| 13:08.38 | Jun | Actually, have anyone tried to use XE.com??? Does it work? |
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| 13:08.51 | justinas | Yes, but have patience. You'll have to choose "general information" a few times. |
| 13:09.02 | justinas | Jun: It does work. |
| 13:09.09 | justinas | Apparently. |
| 13:09.12 | Jun | great... then I will proceed |
| 13:09.22 | Jun | cheers |
| 13:09.34 | dzn | seriously? |
| 13:09.39 | dzn | it's a whole process |
| 13:10.02 | justinas | Jun: However, all the detective work with Citi... :-D |
| 13:10.13 | justinas | For example, what's their ABA number? |
| 13:10.17 | justinas | What's the account number? |
| 13:10.28 | justinas | What's the bank name? |
| 13:10.30 | justinas | Etc. |
| 13:10.35 | dzn | you save like 30 dollars after all |
| 13:10.52 | justinas | NOTHING of this is written in prepaid.citi.com. |
| 13:10.55 | Jun | really? I though I could save more than that ... |
| 13:11.00 | justinas | dzn: Nope. |
| 13:11.17 | justinas | 3% conversion + ATM operator fees. |
| 13:11.43 | kai | welcome to "Google Summer of Getting your Payment 2010" |
| 13:11.45 | dzn | well, it's two redrawels |
| 13:11.49 | dzn | so... |
| 13:11.57 | svaksha | i believe its the conversion rate where folks lose more |
| 13:12.00 | dzn | and the fee's werent billed people on the list said |
| 13:12.00 | justinas | 3% conversion looks like $150, and ATM operator fees are pretty much indeterminate. |
| 13:12.04 | Jun | ok, i saw your email in the mail list |
| 13:12.53 | dzn | yes but the rates are better last week |
| 13:13.03 | dzn | by the time you said up the xe account... |
| 13:13.05 | justinas | Nevertheless, I am at the final stage with xe.com, after lots of hours of detective work on Citi and with some help from Carol and Google financial dep. |
| 13:13.05 | Jun | yep, 3% means 150 dollar, that equals a lot of good stuff ;) |
| 13:13.18 | justinas | I couldn't have gotten the ABA number otherwise. |
| 13:14.00 | Jun | great, can you email that to the mail list, justinas? That will do lots of help to all the other students ? |
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| 13:14.41 | justinas | Jun: Let's wait one or two days. If Citi clerks weren't lying that my card number is precisely the same as my account number, all should proceed rather well. |
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| 13:15.34 | dennda | what can you do with that site? |
| 13:15.35 | Waren | yo |
| 13:15.45 | justinas | Transfer your money. |
| 13:15.56 | dennda | aha |
| 13:16.07 | justinas | Besides, international transfer seems to be ~20$. |
| 13:16.11 | dennda | where's the catch? |
| 13:16.20 | dennda | not to mention the usd/eur conversion X) |
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| 13:16.42 | justinas | Bank of America offers transatlantic transfer for ~40-50$, IIRC. |
| 13:17.31 | justinas | dennda: That's what they do -- they buy and sell currency and transfer it to your account. |
| 13:18.03 | dennda | that stuff is beyond me |
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| 13:19.27 | Jun | ok, i see, you will still need to pay 20$ transaction fee in xe.com, right? |
| 13:19.48 | justinas | If you choose wire. |
| 13:20.03 | justinas | I didn't try other options, because Wire is the fastest. |
| 13:20.13 | justinas | So I don't know how much they cost. |
| 13:20.14 | Jun | yep, it should be ... |
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| 13:20.48 | Jun | damn it, the banks are eating our money ... |
| 13:20.56 | justinas | kai: Very aptly told. |
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| 13:21.08 | justinas | Jun: Precisely my feelings. |
| 13:22.37 | dennda | agreed |
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| 13:25.37 | kai | welcome to the real world :) |
| 13:27.26 | justinas | Anyway, I stubborn enough to succeed. :-D |
| 13:28.06 | justinas | And if everything works out, there will be a system for future use. |
| 13:28.50 | Jun | that will be great :D |
| 13:28.50 | justinas | No more "What ATM did you use to get your funds?", "What was the limit?", "How did you do that in Denmark?" |
| 13:28.54 | justinas | Etc. |
| 13:29.24 | Jun | yep, the next question is "what currency stoker do you use?", this one sounds cooler... |
| 13:29.30 | justinas | :-D |
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| 13:35.43 | drt24 | if mechanisms for avoiding paying the banks lots of money to get at our money could be put on: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-students-list/web/tips-for-using-the-payment-card then that would be awesome. |
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| 13:36.58 | justinas | Just wait a few more days. |
| 13:37.11 | drt24 | :-) |
| 13:37.51 | justinas | Personally, I am interested to do everything as fast as possible, because I am moving to Denmark and I will certainly need money. |
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| 13:48.35 | segfault86 | Hi there. I was wondering whether it is possible to get a letter of recommendation based on my GSoC work. I am asking this since as a student, I did get to rate my mentor and so the mentor of course must have rated me. |
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| 13:49.07 | MatthewWilkes | segfault86: You can ask your mentor/org admin, of course |
| 13:49.16 | sfb | segfault86: Ask your mentor, they're the person from whom the letter of recommendation would have the most impact. |
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| 13:49.47 | segfault86 | Aah thank you, I will do that. |
| 13:50.02 | dberkholz | segfault86: it's important to ask whether your mentor can write you a *strong* letter, not just any letter, to make sure it will be helpful to you =) |
| 13:50.29 | sfb | segfault86: As a hiring manager myself that's my suggestion. The guy who actually worked with you and managed your work... that means more than something more generic. (= |
| 13:50.47 | segfault86 | dberkholz, I have faith in my work! |
| 13:51.00 | gevaerts | would know what to do if he were the mentor |
| 13:51.16 | gevaerts | "You want the letter, you write one that I'd be willing to sign!" :) |
| 13:51.18 | dberkholz | you may, but you want to be sure your mentor thinks the same. "average student" doesn't go over so well as a recommendation |
| 13:51.48 | dberkholz | offering to draft a letter for them to modify isn't a bad idea, either. |
| 13:51.55 | segfault86 | dberkholz, of course 'pretty please with sugar on top' has to be a part of that conversation :) |
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| 13:52.53 | segfault86 | dberkholz, that seems nice. |
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| 13:55.20 | dberkholz | if it's an american writing for another country or vice versa, you might also want to warn them about cultural differences in recommendations. US folks tend to go over the top in superlatives and regard anything not written like that as unenthusiastic. |
| 13:56.08 | segfault86 | It is for Canada. |
| 13:57.27 | segfault86 | dberkholz, thanks for the help btw. Got to run now. |
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| 14:12.38 | kai | great, so I found a ton of SMILES to 2D graphics packages that I can't use.. |
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| 14:35.41 | dzan | justinas, i'll wait for your method, just went checking every atm in a 20km radius... they all have withdrawal limit too :s |
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| 14:40.26 | dberkholz | kai: what's the prob? i've done some of that. |
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| 14:44.13 | kai | dberkholz: I've got an NRPS cluster that's synthetising a compound. I want to visualize the cluster. The current plan is to draw the cluster in a SVG image |
| 14:45.09 | dberkholz | kai: you want to show the proteins, or just the stuff they |
| 14:45.10 | kai | basically, I want to automatically create something like http://www.uni-marburg.de/fb15/ag-marahiel/research/nrps.gif from the data I have |
| 14:45.11 | dberkholz | make? |
| 14:45.21 | dberkholz | ah, got it. |
| 14:45.46 | kai | the product is sufficient, the proteins will do as the ball-like things on the top |
| 14:47.26 | dberkholz | and the usual stuff doesn't work for you? openbabel, cdk, rdkit, etc |
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| 14:50.43 | kai | I don't see a way to export my structure as reuseable SVG in most of those |
| 14:51.10 | dberkholz | if you hack a couple of lines of code in openbabel's export, you can make whatever it calls (openagg?) send out svg instead of png. |
| 14:51.30 | dberkholz | just agg, i guess. not openagg |
| 14:51.37 | kai | hm |
| 14:52.14 | kai | I'll poke openbabel a bit more.. a first skim of the tool didn't look too promising, but that's a good point |
| 14:52.32 | dberkholz | it's kind of an obscure feature in there |
| 14:54.37 | dberkholz | ahh, aggdraw. that was the ticket. |
| 14:55.17 | dberkholz | was pretty sure it was openbabel |
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| 14:57.20 | dberkholz | kai: on second look, maybe it was cdk. i know it was something that used aggdraw and i could hack it to export svg. |
| 14:58.54 | dberkholz | ohh, i bet it was this -- http://code.google.com/p/rdkit/wiki/Creating2DPictures |
| 15:00.03 | kai | ah, python, great :) |
| 15:00.04 | thebolt | seems to be easy to find the right tools ;) |
| 15:00.04 | kai | yeah |
| 15:00.18 | dberkholz | kai: and the Draw.MolToImageFile assumed png, but svg was available in newer aggdraw, so you could hack the rdkit method to add an option for it |
| 15:01.17 | kai | I'll have a look at that then |
| 15:01.23 | kai | thanks for the pointer |
| 15:01.46 | dberkholz | heh, only took me 10 minutes to how exactly where i did it before. |
| 15:01.55 | dberkholz | wow, was that english? |
| 15:02.05 | dberkholz | heh, only took me 10 minutes to remember how exactly i did it before. |
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| 15:17.33 | dennda | I wish the guys responsible for citi's web interface had to use it themselves :S |
| 15:19.40 | dennda | what is the card limit again? I thought it was 500? |
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| 15:22.46 | drt24 | dennda: it should be $1000 |
| 15:23.01 | drt24 | but you can increase it to $2500 by calling the number on the card |
| 15:25.11 | dennda | drt24: i tried to withdraw the following amounts: 500EUR, 390EUR, 300EUR |
| 15:25.16 | dennda | and only 300 EUR were accepted |
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| 17:04.01 | kapila | !next |
| 17:04.01 | socinfo | "next" is Google Summer of Code 2010 is over. Watch the Google Open Source Blog for results, your inbox for t-shirts and spend your time writing some useful or fun code. |
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| 20:53.23 | nano- | http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Aqll7niXqYFudGdpcTFCMlZ2Z29XeWp5anY4YTVCelE&hl=en&output=html seems empty.. has registration for the gsoc summit not started yet? |
| 20:56.17 | MatthewWilkes | nano-: I hope not, I haven't seen an invite for Plone |
| 20:56.26 | MatthewWilkes | Got worried the other day as the last I heard they were due weeks ago |
| 20:57.28 | nano- | wat? |
| 20:57.30 | nano- | what? |
| 20:58.17 | nano- | Humm.. the wiki hasn't been updated for the past 7 days .. looks a bit strange. Where to get tha latest info? |
| 20:58.34 | MatthewWilkes | nano-: A combination of mailing lists and patience, I think. |
| 20:58.57 | nano- | No summit discussions in my inbox at least. |
| 21:00.55 | MatthewWilkes | Mine either, hence me saying I hadn't seen an invite. |
| 21:02.32 | schumaml | and the "I heard they were due weeks ago" is from...? |
| 21:05.28 | MatthewWilkes | schumaml: The email from the start of July from Carol saying to expect them in about a month |
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| 21:14.31 | nano- | MatthewWilkes, schumaml: previous years there have been a mail sent to the list with the list of orgs invited to the summit. |
| 21:15.33 | nano- | according to a friend in my org at least. |
| 21:17.39 | MatthewWilkes | nano-: Yes, that's true. Last I heard it was being sent weeks ago, but it hasn't yet. |
| 21:17.42 | MatthewWilkes | Am I not being clear? |
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| 21:20.22 | nano- | Not really. You haven't said where you heared that. |
| 21:21.22 | nano- | The only mail I can find is from the first of july. Hence that one month from now would be the first of august. |
| 21:22.01 | nano- | Which would be 3.5 weeks ago... |
| 21:22.27 | nano- | Oh.. my bad.. I thought you said two weeks ago :) |
| 21:22.33 | nano- | But you only said weeks. |
| 21:22.53 | MatthewWilkes | ;) |
| 21:31.44 | nano- | MatthewWilkes: anyways.. dropped a reply to the mail that went out the first of july now asking what's going on.. we'll probably know soon enough. |
| 21:33.03 | MatthewWilkes | cool, thanks |
| 21:45.18 | drt24 | dennda: occasionally it appears that citi has messed up (as they seem prone to do) and set the wrong withdrawal limit. However what is far more likely is that the ATM has a machine limit and it is not possible to get more than 300EUR out of that ATM whatever card you use. |
| 21:46.18 | drt24 | sometimes you find that ATMs in locations deemed to be more secure such as those actually inside banks rather than in the wall of the bank have higher machine limits than those outside |
| 21:50.18 | dennda | drt24: that was in a bank |
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| 22:05.47 | drt24 | dennda: try a different bank? |
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