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| 07:10.14 | kai | yay, my lauchpad board shipped :) |
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| 07:18.51 | thebolt | Morning |
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| 07:22.25 | kai | morning thebolt |
| 07:23.05 | kai | starts looking for embedded systems with GbE and SATA connectors |
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| 07:23.39 | kai | I get to give a talk on embedded private clouds |
| 07:23.44 | thebolt | :) |
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| 07:23.57 | thebolt | hm, i need breakfast |
| 07:24.03 | thebolt | overslept, so went to work without eating anything |
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| 08:59.38 | thebolt | hi kai |
| 08:59.57 | kai | hey thebolt |
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| 09:17.47 | ajuonline | kai: thebolt guys. how many times you two say hi to each other? o.O |
| 09:18.27 | ajuonline | when the fist hello goes past the screen pagE? =] |
| 09:20.01 | thebolt | ajuonline: technically i didn't say hi to kai today :) but sometimes i greet same people multiple times.. when i forget i have done it :) |
| 09:21.27 | thebolt | hi to you too btw ;) |
| 09:22.48 | gevaerts | thebolt: that's what logs are for! ;) |
| 09:23.27 | thebolt | gevaerts: that takes energy. :P |
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| 09:30.33 | lhellyer | hi, anyone in the UK up and around? (#gsoc-uk is dead) |
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| 09:41.34 | drt24 | yes |
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| 09:46.18 | lhellyer | drt24: you in the UK? cool, have you tried getting any money off the prepaid card yet? |
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| 10:02.44 | drt24 | not yet no |
| 10:03.15 | drt24 | there didn't appear to be a way to do it online |
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| 10:03.26 | drt24 | and so I need to wait until I can go into town to do it |
| 10:04.17 | drt24 | as I want to see if I can avoid the 3% charge by creating a UK account in dollars or similar |
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| 10:07.07 | lhellyer | drt24: i tried most high street banks and they didn't seem to comprehend what I was asking for :(, do you know any banks that will do a dollar account? (and then let you withdraw from the card in dollars, most go "it doesn't have a chip, we can't touch it" |
| 10:08.08 | ojwb | once you have it in a US$ account, what do you do with it? |
| 10:08.51 | lhellyer | i used my card today at a Barclays ATM, after the $3.50 ATM charge, 3% currency conversion charge the exchange rate worked out at £1 = $1.47 (post office is offering $1.44) |
| 10:09.20 | lhellyer | a David Williams posted to the list that using a Nationwide ATM he only paid 2% fees, I have asked him to clarify |
| 10:11.02 | drt24 | ojwb: convert it to £s at a 'market' rather than a 'we can be evil to you' rate |
| 10:12.02 | lhellyer | banks already make a profit on exchange rates, adding an extra 3% on top is rather greedy |
| 10:12.19 | drt24 | indeed |
| 10:12.33 | ojwb | yeah, it's pretty disgusting |
| 10:13.45 | ojwb | i can understand that if they have actual physical currency to hold they need to cover the potential volatility, but when it's just electronic, that's not an issue |
| 10:16.24 | ajuonline | thebolt: hi :) |
| 10:19.27 | lhellyer | in previous years there has been a wiki page for students of each country to add details of successful (and not so successful) methods of getting the money into their local currency - last time I looked there wasn't a page yet for this year - would it be a good idea to create one? |
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| 10:24.47 | drt24 | it exists |
| 10:25.13 | drt24 | though I should probably file a bug report on the bug that makes it partially invisible |
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| 10:26.41 | drt24 | it can be seen here: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-students-list/edit/tips-for-using-the-payment-card |
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| 10:27.46 | drt24 | unfortunately the view only link fails |
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| 10:36.19 | lhellyer_ | drt24: thanks, must be new |
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| 10:41.15 | drt24 | new? |
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| 10:46.29 | lhellyer_ | drt24: when I last looked (couple of days ago), there were only pages dealing with 2008 and 2009 payment cards IIRC, the timestamp on the page seems to imply that it was edited (created?) at 3:34am (local time?) |
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| 11:11.37 | Joric | http://code.google.com/p/gamekit/ - what does it mean "/p/" ? =) |
| 11:13.04 | kai | !gsoc |
| 11:13.04 | socinfo | "gsoc" is GSoC refers to the Google Summer of Code, not Generic Savoir-faire on Open-source Conundrums. |
| 11:13.15 | kai | Joric: ^^^ |
| 11:13.39 | Joric | yeah right |
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| 11:14.29 | kai | also, if you can't ask politely, you won't get a polite answer, and I won't tell you it means "project" |
| 11:14.38 | kai | not that it matters much, anyway |
| 11:14.45 | kai | grumbles and goes back to work |
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| 11:23.44 | infinity0 | kai: chill, it looks like english isn't their primary language |
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| 11:33.38 | drt24 | lhellyer_: (though I know you aren't here) I edited the page from last year to bring it up to date. Unfortunately this caused it to become invisible |
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| 11:48.19 | drt24 | oh found a workaround: convert spaces to _s :-) http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-students-list/web/tips-for-using-the-payment-card |
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| 11:51.55 | kai | infinity0: this is more like inability to use IRC |
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| 12:52.10 | thebolt | depends on how big ram you have initially |
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| 13:16.08 | kai | thebolt: true |
| 13:16.42 | kai | just realized the MSP430F2001 controller has 128B RAM total |
| 13:18.44 | kai | needs to control a bunch of servos for some props |
| 13:19.02 | thebolt | :) |
| 13:19.15 | thebolt | the joy fo small microcontrollers ;) |
| 13:19.40 | kai | so I need to program some pulse-width-modulation for those servos |
| 13:20.25 | kai | or, I can just use a 360° turning dc motor and use plain old mechanics to turn that into a left-right movement |
| 13:20.30 | kai | but that'd be less fun |
| 13:21.51 | thebolt | :) |
| 13:22.12 | jcreigh | heh, the Atari 2600 also had 128 bytes of RAM |
| 13:22.24 | thebolt | the pwm used by servos is a bit strange though.. very low pwm factor |
| 13:22.39 | kai | dunno |
| 13:22.52 | kai | it's the first time I look into this stuff |
| 13:23.01 | thebolt | 1-2 ms long pulse every 20ms |
| 13:23.04 | kai | well, since my EE course at university |
| 13:23.06 | kai | yeah |
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| 13:51.05 | kai | hm, now if only the code examples made any sense :) |
| 13:52.13 | kai | !next |
| 13:52.13 | socinfo | "next" is July 12th, mentors and students can begin submitting mid-term evaluations - see http://bit.ly/c3NYw6 for the timeline |
| 13:53.21 | kai | meh, why does one of my mentors always take his vacation during the mid-term evaluation.. :/ |
| 13:55.59 | ajuonline | so that kai can come save the day ;) |
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| 20:00.08 | thebolt | Evening |
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| 20:29.44 | kblin | evening |
| 20:30.08 | kblin | question for the english native speakers.. |
| 20:30.24 | kblin | is "I'm not having an umbrella" a correct sentence? |
| 20:30.40 | bkgood | no |
| 20:31.00 | bkgood | I don't have an umbrella |
| 20:31.03 | thebolt | depends on if you are asked to eat the umbrella or not i'd say ,) |
| 20:31.22 | bkgood | "I'm not having an umbrella" makes it sound like the opposite of "I'm eating an umbrella" |
| 20:31.50 | kblin | haha, that's just what I told my girlfriend |
| 20:31.59 | Kosma | om nom nom |
| 20:32.05 | thebolt | (and no, i'm not native.. i know :P) |
| 20:32.11 | Kosma | that's one delicious umbrella |
| 20:33.31 | infinity0 | kblin: "i'm not having an umbrella" could mean "i'm not taking this umbrella that you're offerinng me" |
| 20:33.49 | kblin | ok, I think that was the context |
| 20:33.56 | bkgood | infinity0: that still sounds rather awkward |
| 20:34.16 | infinity0 | hmm, really? i think it's fine |
| 20:34.51 | infinity0 | "i'm not having X" just replace X with umbrella? |
| 20:35.11 | bkgood | I can't think of any examples of X that work outside of the realm of food |
| 20:35.13 | Catfish_Man | infinity0: typically a polite refusal to accept an offered umbrella would be more like "I'm not bringing an umbrella", which would be a contracted version of "oh, I don't need that, I'm not bringing an umbrella" |
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| 20:35.54 | infinity0 | bringing and having are different |
| 20:36.03 | Catfish_Man | yes, I wouldn't use having |
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| 20:36.27 | kblin | ok, so the full sentence they were asked to fill in a blank was "I won't go out now as it's raining and I ___(not have)___ an umbrella." |
| 20:36.39 | bkgood | "don't have", definitely |
| 20:36.48 | infinity0 | if someone else is trying to get you to take one, you could say "i'm not going to have an umbrella", or equivalently "i'm not having an umbrella" |
| 20:36.50 | Kosma | don't have |
| 20:37.22 | kblin | that's what I'd have said as well |
| 20:37.43 | kblin | the textbook said "haven't", but that certainly is bogus |
| 20:37.55 | tylercurtis | Or "I'm not going to need an umbrella". |
| 20:38.28 | Catfish_Man | kblin: that's a british-ism |
| 20:39.00 | Catfish_Man | correct there afaik, but will get you looked at oddly in the US |
| 20:39.04 | thebolt | Catfish_Man: most textbooks are BE not AE.. (except for US) |
| 20:39.21 | Catfish_Man | thebolt: sure, so it makes sense that the textbook would have it |
| 20:39.29 | infinity0 | lol |
| 20:39.46 | tylercurtis | As a weird American, I can confirm that "haven't" will get you looked at oddly in the US. |
| 20:42.15 | kblin | sounds really old fashioned, then |
| 20:42.41 | kblin | "I haven't an umbrella, I need to buy one at ye olde umbrella shoppe" |
| 20:43.05 | Catfish_Man | British English usually sounds a bit old fashioned to American English speakers |
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| 20:45.16 | kblin | hehe, fair enough |
| 20:47.08 | kblin | hm, wasn't there a way to tell fed-ex to re-route a package? |
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| 21:29.11 | ojwb | kblin: I doubt a Brit would say "I haven't an umbrella" either |
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| 21:29.36 | ojwb | you wouldn't say "I have not an umbrella" after all |
| 21:29.44 | Catfish_Man | ojwb: I've heard it |
| 21:30.01 | ojwb | "I haven't brought an umbrella", maybe |
| 21:30.25 | gevaerts | "I haven't a clue"? |
| 21:30.27 | ojwb | Catfish_Man: well, there's no accounting for some people's poor grasp of grammar |
| 21:30.43 | gevaerts | ojwb: like yours? ;) |
| 21:31.20 | gevaerts | claims that "I haven't X" is entirely correct |
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| 21:32.46 | Kosma | the real problem with this umbrella is that textbooks teach one or another form of 'correct' English |
| 21:33.08 | Kosma | instead of teaching one that is unambiguous and makes it easy to communicate |
| 21:34.14 | bkgood | Kosma: where's the fun in that? :) |
| 21:35.54 | Kosma | to quote The Kooks, |
| 21:36.11 | Kosma | "Life's just far too short for miscommunication" ;) |
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| 22:08.30 | carldani | hi |
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| 22:09.32 | carldani | carols: I just saw your mentor summit mail. Any chance that future mentor summits will be split to different locations and/or outside the US? |
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| 22:13.06 | carols | carldani: anything's possible :-) |
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| 22:15.17 | straydawg | loves it that the mentor summits are at google hq |
| 22:15.22 | straydawg | they. ROCK |
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| 22:21.10 | carols | thanks straydawg :-) |
| 22:22.06 | lolfrenz | meh, I'm worried I won't do a good job |
| 22:22.08 | lolfrenz | stupid exams |
| 22:22.19 | lolfrenz | I haven't had the time |
| 22:22.44 | lolfrenz | I promised myself I'd code like crazy starting 5th of june |
| 22:23.34 | bkgood | lolfrenz: just do what I do and neglect coursework for gsoc |
| 22:24.23 | lolfrenz | what coursework? |
| 22:24.39 | lolfrenz | s/what/what's/ |
| 22:25.11 | bkgood | oh like studies/exams/homework |
| 22:25.26 | bkgood | basically everything a student must do for a class |
| 22:25.53 | lolfrenz | so you meant that I shouldn't follow a schedule? |
| 22:26.10 | infinity0 | whatever works for you |
| 22:26.22 | infinity0 | if you missed a few weeks due to exams then man up and put in some extra time |
| 22:26.44 | bkgood | lol I'm only joking, I was saying I just work on my gsoc project instead of doing my homework but I wouldn't recommend doing the same :) |
| 22:26.58 | lolfrenz | oh, I got what you meant now. |
| 22:27.17 | Kosma | bkgood: it's not a good idea ;) |
| 22:27.21 | lolfrenz | I have some code written, just not as much as I hoped |
| 22:31.44 | bkgood | Kosma: tell me about it lol |
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| 22:32.26 | Kosma | bkgood: well, not doing your homework/exams/etc just causes massive amounts of fail |
| 22:32.39 | Kosma | and no $5000 in the world will ever justify it |
| 22:33.29 | bkgood | oh no I know, actually it'd be a net gain money-wise but not worth the time, I'm studying :) |
| 22:34.56 | Kosma | finish your school and be a free man! :) |
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| 22:36.06 | bkgood | Kosma: I can't even express how anxious I am for that :) even if I am just going to graduate school afterwards, lol |
| 22:36.23 | carldani | good night everyone! |
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| 22:36.38 | Kosma | 'anxious' is a good word for this |
| 22:36.54 | Kosma | I have no idea what my life will look like when I'll finish the univ |
| 22:37.14 | bkgood | I'll probably be a washed-up alcoholic by then :p |
| 22:37.35 | Kosma | you don't need education for this ;) |
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| 22:38.34 | bkgood | I wouldn't be driven to alcohol if it wasn't for mathematics education ;) |
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| 22:44.10 | Kosma | what do you drink, btw? ;) |
| 22:44.58 | bkgood | I'm not too picky, but it definitely depends on the activity at hand |
| 22:45.50 | bkgood | vodka/red bull is probably my nightlife drink of choice, otherwise it's up for grabs, everything from chardonnay to stella artois to crown royal |
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| 22:46.05 | bkgood | how about you? |
| 22:48.22 | Kosma | just whiskey |
| 22:48.33 | Kosma | ;-) |
| 22:48.42 | bkgood | good man :) |
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