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| 06:52.18 | geoaxis | neXyon, in Sweden the sun rises at 2 am these days |
| 06:52.43 | geoaxis | at 9 am its more like noon here |
| 06:53.16 | neXyon | geoaxis: awesome xD |
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| 07:53.04 | h4xordood | hey i alreay set pin for atm i can login into on atm but while making transaction it says sorry transaction cant be processed :( |
| 07:53.20 | h4xordood | i am from india |
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| 07:55.52 | smtms | h4xordood, how much money do you have on your card? |
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| 07:56.48 | comodo | geoaxis: where in Sweden are you? |
| 07:57.02 | h4xordood | 505 dollors |
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| 07:59.45 | h4xordood | smtms why ? |
| 08:00.40 | smtms | h4xordood, how much did you try to withdraw? |
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| 08:01.45 | h4xordood | 450 dollors |
| 08:02.26 | smtms | h4xordood, did you wait after you set up the PIN and before your first withdrawal attempt? |
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| 08:04.39 | h4xordood | i did set my pin on saturday |
| 08:05.18 | h4xordood | and today on monday tried to access |
| 08:06.46 | h4xordood | so i think plenty of time |
| 08:08.01 | smtms | h4xordood, did you try another ATM? |
| 08:08.20 | h4xordood | i tried 4 atms |
| 08:08.48 | h4xordood | even talked with citi bank people in india |
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| 08:09.15 | smtms | h4xordood, what did they say? |
| 08:09.29 | h4xordood | they told me they cannot help me as this is international account |
| 08:09.54 | h4xordood | they told me talk in america citi bank |
| 08:10.30 | smtms | h4xordood, that's what I recommend too |
| 08:11.20 | rohitr | h4xordood: try withdrawing a lower amount first? |
| 08:11.42 | rohitr | INR 10kish |
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| 08:12.22 | h4xordood | i would call them and write to carol also but i am not sure if all indian students have such problem may be i am the only one :( |
| 08:16.55 | MatthewWilkes | h4xordood: How are you doing the money conversion calculation? Are you sure you're using the right rate? |
| 08:18.02 | h4xordood | its 46 INR for 1 dol |
| 08:18.51 | h4xordood | 505 dol equal to 23,730 |
| 08:19.02 | h4xordood | i tried 20000 |
| 08:19.39 | h4xordood | so more than 18 dol left on macine if processed |
| 08:19.41 | MatthewWilkes | h4xordood: Right, that's the interbank rate though |
| 08:20.01 | MatthewWilkes | What is it in the bureaux de change? |
| 08:21.36 | rohitr | h4xordood: exactly, HDFC gives you 45.5 for each dollar. |
| 08:22.24 | h4xordood | anyways lets see what happens |
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| 08:40.35 | kai | ah, durn, I just realized that the XM beagle is a tad bigger than the old beagle boards, so they won't stack nicely |
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| 08:43.10 | thebolt | hi kai |
| 08:43.13 | thebolt | kai: that sucks :P |
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| 08:45.19 | kai | thebolt: yeah, but that means I can probably try to build my own cool case ;) |
| 08:46.36 | thebolt | haha |
| 08:48.09 | kai | but there goes my plan of a 3" rack ;) |
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| 08:51.47 | kai | meh, that's it |
| 08:51.57 | kai | my gsoc student just failed |
| 08:52.04 | thebolt | oh :( |
| 08:52.09 | thebolt | sorry to hear that |
| 08:52.47 | thebolt | why/in what waY? |
| 08:52.50 | kai | not responding to requests from the other developers, missing the daily progress reports for over a week, no code commits for 9 days |
| 08:53.33 | thebolt | ah :/ |
| 08:53.48 | kai | and he's been very flakey before that |
| 08:54.07 | kai | hence the daily progress reports |
| 08:54.08 | pygi | daily progress reports kai? :p |
| 08:54.12 | pygi | ah |
| 08:54.25 | pygi | thought you just liked to bug him :p |
| 08:54.29 | kai | I haven't gotten a single of the weekly progress reports on time |
| 08:54.48 | kai | and so far he has produced like 100 lines of code |
| 08:55.12 | kai | so as a measure to help him get back on track we switched to daily milestones and daily progress reports |
| 08:55.44 | kai | just a short email consisting of "stuff I did yesterday" and "stuff I'm going to do today" |
| 08:55.53 | kai | before starting to work on the code |
| 08:56.43 | pygi | shrug |
| 08:56.44 | pygi | sorry |
| 08:57.58 | pygi | kai, what was your student working on? |
| 08:58.13 | h4xordood | oh really some one failed o_O |
| 08:59.17 | kai | pygi: 3d model preview for WorldForge's asset management tools |
| 09:00.17 | ojwb | kai: commiserations |
| 09:01.48 | kai | ojwb: yay, a personal "new word a day", thanks :) |
| 09:02.11 | thebolt | kai: ah.. too bad.. that is an interesting project (or well, used to be at least;), too bad it failed :( |
| 09:03.07 | kai | yeah, of course now I'm mostly annoyed that I didn't pick the other student applying for it |
| 09:03.35 | ojwb | kai: glad to be of service |
| 09:03.36 | kai | though his approach sounded less viable.. |
| 09:04.04 | kai | doesn't believe in WebGL |
| 09:05.00 | kai | I still think doing a couple of image renders and then using some ajax magic to allow "turning" the model is the more portable approach |
| 09:05.12 | ojwb | just port mesa to javascript |
| 09:05.15 | thebolt | kai: heh, you should talk to the peragro devs (mostly sueastside).. he is doing/did something similar ;) |
| 09:05.18 | ojwb | how hard can it be? |
| 09:05.54 | kai | thebolt: I did. sueastside believes in WebGL :) |
| 09:06.28 | kai | so I thought trying another approach would be good, and we can then see how well both of these work in production |
| 09:07.12 | ojwb | kai: what don't you like about webgl? |
| 09:07.19 | thebolt | kai: yea :) |
| 09:07.27 | thebolt | kai: did you see it in-action? |
| 09:07.37 | thebolt | (he did btw implement it without webgl as well) |
| 09:08.02 | kai | ojwb: linux opengl drivers suck, browser plugins suck |
| 09:08.02 | thebolt | (i don't have webgl but it still displays ) |
| 09:08.25 | kai | thebolt: oh, right, there's some "render on the fly" fallback, I think |
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| 09:09.09 | ojwb | kai: if wikipedia is to be believed (tm) it's built in to the browsers, not a plug in |
| 09:09.32 | ojwb | (I'm not defending it, I only just heard about it and am curious about it) |
| 09:09.59 | kai | ojwb: well, in a couple of years, it might be useable |
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| 09:11.24 | kai | handing off the computationally intensive part to the client makes sense in principle |
| 09:12.08 | kai | but I think that using pre-rendered sprites and ajax is going to be more useable _now_ |
| 09:14.33 | ojwb | despite what the wikipedia page suggests, it doesn't actually seem to be available in the browsers I have to hand |
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| 09:15.08 | ojwb | not the very latest, but probably typical versions, so yeah I'd say it's not a good answer this year |
| 09:16.05 | tylercurtis | ojwb: I don't think it's available in any browser yet outside of their nightly or dev versions, and even then usually requires a special config option(chrome requires a command line option, and firefox requires a config option, iirc). |
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| 09:17.28 | kai | just my point |
| 09:18.06 | kai | the biggest browser microsoft is trying to get out of business with their new IE8 is still IE6 |
| 09:18.34 | kai | so maybe in another five years a significant percentage of browsers out there will have webgl support |
| 09:19.47 | MatthewWilkes | Gaaaah. "We've posted you a cheque." - I asked you to pay me by bank transfer for a reason, geniuses, I don't have an address in england anymore. |
| 09:19.55 | MatthewWilkes | grumbles |
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| 09:26.18 | kai | MatthewWilkes: "the check is in the mail"? :) |
| 09:26.28 | kai | cheque, dammit |
| 09:27.07 | kai | brain context switch still a bit slow this morning |
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| 09:33.15 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Yup |
| 09:33.25 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Bastards, eh? |
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| 09:36.27 | ajuonline | sympathises with MatthewWilkes |
| 09:37.20 | ajuonline | i kinda like it how Amazon spies on what I was browsing and the next day sends me a targetted email of such products |
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| 10:11.10 | kai | tries to work up the energy to go to today's seminar |
| 10:12.43 | MatthewWilkes | kai: You can find me a house instead, if you like |
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| 10:16.28 | kai | nah |
| 10:17.43 | MatthewWilkes | Everywhere's miles out of town |
| 10:18.08 | MatthewWilkes | There have been great places online for months but it seemed like a waste of money |
| 10:18.24 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: which city/town? |
| 10:19.03 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: Berlin |
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| 10:21.39 | kai | MatthewWilkes: if you don't mind eastern berlin, there should be plenty of places |
| 10:22.13 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: ah, ok, good luck :) |
| 10:22.28 | thebolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:23.51 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Should be, yes. It seems everything is closer to Pankow than Berlin proper. I want relatively central, don't mind it being Neukölln, F-hain |
| 10:23.53 | MatthewWilkes | etc |
| 10:25.45 | kai | seminar time, bbl |
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| 11:17.39 | sanjoyd | Does anyone know what Google's fedex account number is? |
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| 13:10.46 | h4xordood | okay my problem is solved tried on different atm got it :) |
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| 15:24.12 | Adityab | Hi, I don't get an option to get my PIN when I call the number. |
| 15:24.40 | Adityab | The system first asks me to select language |
| 15:24.43 | Adityab | I choose English |
| 15:24.54 | Adityab | then it gives two options |
| 15:25.07 | Adityab | 1. Something about lost/stolen card |
| 15:25.15 | Adityab | 2. Getting account balance |
| 15:25.20 | Adityab | That's all. |
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| 15:34.13 | smtms | Adityab, which number do you call? |
| 15:35.29 | Adityab | smtms: The outside-US number. |
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| 15:36.29 | Adityab | smtms: 001-610-941-4607 |
| 15:36.33 | Waren | yop |
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| 15:44.58 | smtms | Adityab, are you sure you were listening carefully to the voice menu? |
| 15:45.26 | smtms | Adityab, I called the outside-US number and set up my PIN, but it was a week ago and I don't remember the details |
| 15:45.45 | hari2981 | where can I get my track Number |
| 15:46.21 | smtms | hari2981, it is sent to you by e-mail |
| 15:47.00 | Adityab | smtms: Yeah, I tried it four times. |
| 15:47.29 | smtms | Adityab, try option 2 and enter your card number as account number |
| 15:47.41 | Adityab | smtms: Ok |
| 15:48.01 | hari2981 | I requested carol twice about my track Number , but she didn't respond |
| 15:48.09 | smtms | Adityab, they say you can use Skype to call the US 800 number and save money |
| 15:48.15 | Adityab | smtms: What did it say for the PIN option? |
| 15:48.19 | Adityab | smtms: I see |
| 15:48.26 | smtms | Adityab, I don't remember |
| 15:48.37 | smtms | Adityab, I'm not calling them again to check |
| 15:48.38 | Adityab | thanks anyway :) |
| 15:48.45 | Adityab | smtms: sure |
| 15:50.13 | hari2981 | where is carol ? |
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| 15:52.13 | smtms | hari2981, she's hiding |
| 15:52.54 | smtms | hari2981, your package travels at the same speed with or without tracking number |
| 15:52.58 | Adityab | hari2981: She's swamped by too many mails, I'm sure |
| 15:53.52 | kblin | actually she's at OSBride |
| 15:53.58 | kblin | OSBridge |
| 15:54.01 | kblin | dammit |
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| 15:58.01 | hari2981 | all the people in my country got the package except me |
| 15:58.44 | kblin | it's not google's fault. google loves you. keep clicking those ads. |
| 15:58.47 | kblin | ;) |
| 15:59.56 | hari2981 | kblin: how can I find my tracknumber |
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| 16:01.43 | kblin | hari2981: you'll get one when fedex processes your package |
| 16:02.22 | kblin | once all the packages should have been sent, google will put up a web form where people who didn't get a package can register themselves |
| 16:02.40 | hari2981 | ok |
| 16:03.01 | kblin | at least that's the way it was the last years |
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| 16:04.58 | hari2981 | sorry , Its about one month of long waiting |
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| 16:05.44 | kblin | when I did my first gsoc, I didn't get any money until after gsoc... |
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| 16:05.56 | kblin | the new system works much better |
| 16:06.02 | kblin | though of course it's not perfect |
| 16:07.00 | kblin | when you find a way that'll allow thousand people spread over the whole world to easily receive money while it still can be managed by a single person, do speak up |
| 16:10.10 | smtms | why do we put the single-person restriction? |
| 16:10.28 | smtms | and, if Google can't do that, nobody can ;-) |
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| 18:04.31 | hari2981 | I mailed twice about the my trackNumber |
| 18:04.32 | kblin | carols: having fun at osbridge? |
| 18:04.32 | carols | kblin: osbridge? that was like three weeks ago :-) |
| 18:04.32 | kblin | oh |
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| 18:04.32 | carols | kblin: i was at USENIX last week? |
| 18:04.32 | kblin | ah, whatever |
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| 18:04.32 | kblin | I loose track of all these conferences |
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| 18:04.33 | hari2981 | carols: please look my mail and give my trackNumber |
| 18:04.33 | carols | kblin: me too, truth be told |
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| 18:05.02 | carols | hari2981: as soon as i have information for you i will let you know. |
| 18:05.02 | thebolt | evening kblin :) |
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| 18:05.29 | kblin | hari2981: you need to chill a bit |
| 18:05.29 | kblin | !patience |
| 18:05.29 | socinfo | "patience" is very important in GSoC. Check !next and the !timeline and go code something useful. |
| 18:05.55 | kblin | hey thebolt |
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| 18:38.27 | *** topic/#gsoc is Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - Coding has started! http://bit.ly/96UQZe - File Feature Requests & Bugs at http://bit.ly/a5tD87 - Read the FAQs: http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session: http://bit.ly/amIwdd |
| 18:38.32 | qrng | We do not share the view, unfortunately. IMO, when we are gone, we are gone. La fini de la comedie. |
| 18:39.01 | danderson | which is why you should damn well enjoy yourself while you can :) |
| 18:39.07 | qrng | Exactly. :-) |
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| 18:39.42 | Kosma | danderson: damn true :-) |
| 18:40.26 | qrng | I would raise a glass of wine to your healt, danderson, but I'll wait for the weekend. |
| 18:40.36 | qrng | s/healt/health/g |
| 18:42.22 | qrng | Anyhow, mid-term is coming. I am very happy with my supervisor. |
| 18:42.25 | qrng | Errr... mentor. |
| 18:43.10 | Kosma | so, would Google be a hypervisor in this case? ;) |
| 18:43.43 | qrng | Makes sense. :-) |
| 18:44.04 | qrng | Regardless, Doxygen will put me to the early grave. |
| 18:44.20 | qrng | lights up a fag. |
| 18:44.24 | Kosma | or an early tomb ;) |
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| 19:18.37 | sanjoyd | carols, thanks for the quick response! :) |
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| 20:34.13 | bkgood | I find it somewhat disheartening that I'm about to use my Google-branded citi card to pay a google checkout invoice :( |
| 20:36.25 | smtms | it's a Citi-branded Google card |
| 20:38.25 | bkgood | erm the card's backed by citi, not google. it's just got google's name and logo on it for looks |
| 20:38.47 | coppro | dgregor: Status update: I think I've got the basic infrastructure down for Parse; I'm currently going through and changing basically everywhere where attributes are mentioned, which is lot of places. |
| 20:38.53 | smtms | bkgood, you are too serious |
| 20:38.54 | coppro | oops, wrong channel |
| 20:39.07 | bkgood | oh lol |
| 20:39.43 | bkgood | I couldn't figure out why someone would argue such a minute point to begin with :) |
| 20:40.28 | thebolt | hm, :P |
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| 21:01.00 | summatusmentis | kblin: can I but you about sequencing stuff again? |
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| 21:07.48 | kblin | summatusmentis: sure |
| 21:08.11 | summatusmentis | d'you remember at all the description I gave you of what I'm working on? |
| 21:08.25 | kblin | not really, no |
| 21:08.49 | summatusmentis | roughly, I've got sequences of numbers |
| 21:09.02 | summatusmentis | and i'm looking for how similar they are |
| 21:09.11 | kblin | ok |
| 21:09.32 | summatusmentis | based on what I'm reading Bio::Seq is what I'd be looking for, kind of? |
| 21:10.00 | kblin | I guess so |
| 21:11.32 | summatusmentis | in the little bit amount of reading I've been doing, they're talking about sequence objects, which look to be pretty specific to dna sequencing? How extensible are these things? |
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| 21:12.03 | summatusmentis | once you've got your sequence in an object, what then? I assume there's stuff to compare it and so forth, is there something I should be looking for? |
| 21:13.42 | kblin | I'm pretty sure it's not specific to DNA sequencing, I've been using it to wrangle proteins |
| 21:14.09 | summatusmentis | ok, maybe dna sequencing is the wrong word "strings of characters" |
| 21:14.24 | kblin | that might be the case |
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| 21:14.27 | summatusmentis | where a "unit" would be a single character, from what I understand |
| 21:14.39 | kblin | you might want to ask on #bioperl |
| 21:14.46 | kblin | they're a helpful bunch |
| 21:14.50 | summatusmentis | alright |
| 21:15.23 | summatusmentis | I don't mean to steal your time :) |
| 21:15.23 | kblin | I really do pretty ordinary stuff myself, nothing fancy |
| 21:15.40 | summatusmentis | well, on a conceptual level, this shouldn't be that fancy either, from what I've gathered |
| 21:15.42 | kblin | no, I just mean the folks on #bioperl might have more clue about this |
| 21:15.59 | kblin | some of the core devs hang out there |
| 21:16.13 | summatusmentis | alright, I'll stick my head in there |
| 21:18.03 | kblin | oh, and they know perl, I don't |
| 21:18.08 | kblin | I just write perl code |
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| 21:37.05 | kblin | summatusmentis: see, I said they'd know |
| 21:37.30 | summatusmentis | you did, thanks |
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| 21:38.37 | kblin | sighs |
| 21:39.10 | kblin | I hate "try to find it in the sources, somewhere" documentation |
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