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04:02.26 | rohitr | Hey, has anyone got a tracking email, from fedex? Just checking if the packages have started shipping. |
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06:00.05 | thebolt | Morning |
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06:09.01 | kblin | morning thebolt |
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06:09.48 | kblin | mlankhorst: kind of hard if you try to fix a bug in an existing codebase |
06:10.04 | mlankhorst | true |
06:11.05 | kblin | but then I remembered my shell programming and of course perl had a similar function |
06:11.11 | kblin | so all's good |
06:11.30 | thebolt | kblin: i'm sorry you have to stick your nose into such horrible languages ;) |
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06:22.36 | kblin | could be worse |
06:26.21 | blkperl | Attention all US GSOC students/mentors there is now an unofficial google group http://groups.google.com/group/gsoc-us |
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06:56.33 | dholbach | good morning |
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09:44.54 | Waren | yo |
09:49.21 | MatthewWilkes | yoyo |
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10:28.54 | danbri | this .js-based page at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/home/google/gsoc2010/xsf has taken over an hour to fail to load |
10:29.02 | danbri | 'Please wait while list is loading' |
10:29.05 | danbri | what's wrong with html? :) |
10:29.28 | danbri | ok it worked on a reload |
10:29.32 | danbri | just venting! |
10:37.11 | Chainsaw | You are quite patient with it. |
10:37.29 | Chainsaw | Surveys indicate that the average patience of a web user (for a webpage to load or othewise update itself) is 4 seconds. |
10:37.47 | gevaerts | Is that for random websites, or websites the user actually needs? |
10:38.09 | Chainsaw | Random websites without such mitigating circumstances. |
10:40.39 | danbri | it's not patience, it's attention deficit (surplus?), plus another 30 browser tabs |
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12:05.38 | kai | yay, reading old source code ftw |
12:05.49 | kai | <PROTECTED> |
12:06.05 | kai | right.. why is it better to pretend that? what was I thinking? |
12:06.21 | kai | ahrg |
12:06.23 | kai | :) |
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12:26.19 | lolfrenz | kai, reading one's own source code after years is pretty cool |
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12:31.43 | kai | lolfrenz: I wrote this like.. last year |
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12:54.57 | kai | Your code has been rated at -1.53/10 |
12:55.01 | kai | score :) |
12:55.41 | MatthewWilkes | kai: twitter.com/danfairs/status/15331942027 |
12:56.46 | kai | ok, that's worse than mine |
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12:57.26 | MatthewWilkes | yeah. |
12:57.31 | kai | I got "Your code has been rated at 7.12/10 (previous run: -1.53/10)" after a simple "%s/\t/ /g" in vim |
12:57.33 | MatthewWilkes | yay friday. |
12:57.49 | MatthewWilkes | what is this rater? |
12:57.57 | kai | pylint |
12:58.00 | MatthewWilkes | ah |
12:58.05 | kai | and tab indents violate PEP8 |
12:58.34 | kai | but apart from that noise (which is easily fixed) the other stuff makes sense |
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13:00.00 | MatthewWilkes | Your code has been rated at 0.83/10 |
13:00.01 | MatthewWilkes | :D |
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13:00.23 | josip | hey, did anyone get his/hers welcome package? |
13:00.30 | mkarnicki | not me, no. |
13:00.39 | mkarnicki | josip: is't a bit "early" |
13:00.53 | mkarnicki | josip: they told they would ship it yesterday/the day before |
13:00.59 | josip | hm, okay, I read here quite some time ago that they have been sent |
13:01.01 | josip | aah, okay |
13:01.04 | mkarnicki | so considering that fact, it's quite early :) |
13:01.09 | mkarnicki | :) |
13:01.10 | josip | makes perfect sense. I should have read the blog first |
13:01.12 | YuviPanda | oh, anyone got their tracking codes yet? ;) |
13:01.25 | josip | nope :/ |
13:01.26 | mkarnicki | YuviPanda: no, neither ;) |
13:01.57 | mkarnicki | went shopping |
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13:03.54 | kai | wth? |
13:04.01 | kai | too many local variables? |
13:04.50 | ojwb | kai: just make some globals |
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13:11.15 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: No, globals are bad too. Just create a decorator that provides a dict of the things you need then eval the func_code of the passed in function with that as the locals |
13:13.18 | kai | that's silly |
13:13.54 | kai | that's just workarounds, they don't actually change the fact that for this complex function I need to keep track of a lot of things |
13:14.13 | kai | the design won't get better if I hide a handful of these local vars |
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13:14.22 | kai | disables the check |
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13:19.59 | MatthewWilkes | kai: I think you should do what I said :) |
13:20.04 | MatthewWilkes | (and get fired) |
13:23.34 | kai | yay, found a -3.59/10 |
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16:28.04 | thebolt | hi carols , how do you do? |
16:28.20 | carols | hey thebolt, i'm good. how are you? |
16:28.43 | thebolt | Want the PC answer or the real one? ;) |
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16:30.11 | YuviPanda | reminds himself to steal that line from thebolt |
16:30.31 | thebolt | well, been better.. a bit sad and lonley on the friday evening.. but oh well, it will go over, eventually .) |
16:30.56 | thebolt | YuviPanda: I hold copyright to anything I write and pursue it aggressivly :P |
16:32.10 | YuviPanda | is sad and lonely during *all* evenings :( |
16:33.35 | thebolt | well, technically I am alone 95% of all evenings or so, but seldom feel lonley (or sad, about that or anything else.. ) |
16:33.44 | thebolt | but hey, what would life be if it was only happiness all the time, eh ?:) |
16:36.20 | SukhE | We need the gloomy days to appreciate life. |
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16:37.04 | YuviPanda | thebolt: true, but it does hit you hard when you're 19 and you're the only one from your entire class spending evenings alone |
16:37.30 | thebolt | YuviPanda: heh, well, i'm 26 and doing that :P |
16:37.43 | YuviPanda | thebolt: ah, good to have company :D |
16:38.02 | YuviPanda | wonders if it is any easier at 26 |
16:38.43 | thebolt | or well, still have two friends i see soemtime living here.. but one of them moving back home in two weeks so I won't see her for three months.. |
16:38.45 | thebolt | it's not :P |
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16:39.18 | JSund | matek: You'll get package tracking information when your package is sent. |
16:39.38 | matek | last year I got my tracking number a week AFTER I got a package... |
16:41.06 | kimelto | morning! |
16:41.44 | smtms | matek, tracking numbers are held at customs longer ;-) |
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16:44.44 | carols | thebolt: why you sad and lonely? |
16:46.16 | carols | serves some tea |
16:46.34 | carols | serves voodoo doughnuts from portland |
16:46.47 | carols | compliments of OS Bridge :-) |
16:48.13 | blkperl | wishes he didn't have class in 30 minutes or he would eating the voodoo doughnuts |
16:48.26 | thebolt | carols: thanks :) well, sad mostly because I am lonley I guess.. and lonely, well.. most of my friends are 15 hours of flight away, one of my very best friends who is now living here is also going back there in two weeks so after this sunday and a dinner on 17th I won't see her for three, three-and-a-half months.. |
16:49.12 | carols | thebolt: aw, well i can see why that would make you lonely. where are you right now? |
16:49.38 | thebolt | carols: my "hometown" in sweden |
16:49.53 | thebolt | (or well, close to where i grew up, and where i went to uni) |
16:50.17 | carols | serves thebolt some tea |
16:50.23 | thebolt | thanks, it helps :) |
16:50.30 | carols | best i can do from thousands of kilometers away |
16:50.40 | thebolt | Heh yea, I know, distances sucks, don't they? :) |
16:50.51 | carols | thebolt: i could not agree more. |
16:51.01 | carols | long distance anything sucks. |
16:51.13 | thebolt | many of my good friends are in, or are soon going back to, Taiwan |
16:51.21 | thebolt | also some thousand km or so |
16:51.49 | carols | thebolt: are you going there are some point, or no plans to? |
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16:52.00 | thebolt | Going there in end of september/beginning of october |
16:52.03 | thebolt | or well, moving there rather |
16:52.31 | carols | thebolt: ah, well, then i bet it can't come soon enough |
16:53.21 | thebolt | carols: heh yea, well, I have things to keep me occupied until then.. a thesis (master) to finish and a company to start :) |
16:53.44 | carols | thebolt: yeah, i would say that's a good bit of things to keep you occupied :-) |
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16:57.06 | thebolt | carols: heh yep, well, yea :) a bit too much some days ;) |
16:57.10 | thebolt | but i'll cope |
16:57.17 | carols | yeah, i hear you on that |
16:57.23 | thebolt | so how does it feel to run gsoc? |
16:57.34 | thebolt | still at least half sane? ;) |
16:57.36 | carols | thebolt: frickin' awesome. i have the best job at google |
16:57.47 | carols | i love everyone i've met and everyone i've worked with |
16:58.01 | carols | i can only hope im giving back to the community as much as they've given me :-) |
16:58.29 | thebolt | Cool :) |
16:59.06 | carols | :-) |
17:00.14 | thebolt | i wish i still had time (and energy) left to code open source stuff, but atm it just isn't there |
17:00.32 | carols | yeah, i think time for these things ebbs and flows |
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17:03.30 | thebolt | definitely |
17:04.09 | thebolt | 8 years and 100k lines of code to the same project and you might need a break |
17:04.20 | carols | yeah, for sure |
17:04.28 | carols | well good luck certainly on your thesis |
17:04.33 | carols | and the business :-) |
17:04.50 | thebolt | thanks :) |
17:05.02 | carols | what' the business model? |
17:05.02 | thebolt | (business is continuing my thesis work, but trying to make money of it :P) |
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17:05.15 | thebolt | make stuff and sell it ;) |
17:05.24 | carols | hehe good business plan :-) |
17:05.33 | carols | 1. make stuff 2. ? 3. profit! |
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17:05.42 | thebolt | stuff in this case is UAV systems for profesional photography and filming |
17:05.51 | carols | ah, cool |
17:06.01 | carols | that sounds interesting :-) |
17:06.04 | Catfish_Man | g'morning #gsoc :) |
17:06.07 | carols | hey Catfish_Man |
17:06.11 | thebolt | hi Catfish_Man |
17:06.17 | carols | serves some more tea |
17:06.28 | Catfish_Man | sips his tea while doing the friday dance |
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17:06.49 | carols | im impressed you can both sip tea and dance at the same time :-) |
17:07.07 | Catfish_Man | I have many such unique talents :P |
17:07.29 | thebolt | :) |
17:07.57 | carols | well, it is friday after all |
17:08.07 | Catfish_Man | sighs. I shouldn't leave activity monitor open. It reminds me how friggin' fat Adium is these days |
17:08.20 | carols | serves some more voodoo doughnuts from portland |
17:08.20 | Catfish_Man | takes a heap profile |
17:08.52 | Catfish_Man | heh, ever been to Voodoo Too? |
17:08.53 | Catfish_Man | they have pinball machines! |
17:08.54 | thebolt | Catfish_Man: heh, what you don't know won't hurt, eh? :) |
17:09.25 | Catfish_Man | thebolt: I have 4GB in this machine. It won't directly impact *me* at all :P |
17:09.32 | carols | they're serving them at OS Bridge right now :-) |
17:09.35 | carols | quite exciting |
17:09.42 | carols | munches a maple bacon doughnut |
17:10.04 | thebolt | Catfish_Man: hehe, yea, got a new laptop now, feels quite nice to have "unlimited" memory and CPU ;) |
17:10.18 | Catfish_Man | carols: I remember the first time I saw them was at the jive offices. I was peaking over someone's shoulder and said "...is that cheese on that donut!?" |
17:10.24 | Catfish_Man | they replied "no, I think it's tang" |
17:10.39 | carols | Catfish_Man: that's awesome. such a wonderful exchange on doughnuts :-) |
17:10.57 | Catfish_Man | both sound awful, tbh |
17:11.21 | carols | Catfish_Man: they have some great flavors, maybe not the one with tang on it though |
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18:07.53 | rohitr | <PROTECTED> |
18:07.59 | rohitr | !log |
18:07.59 | socinfo | Error: access denied (owner). |
18:08.18 | rohitr | ok final try :) |
18:08.20 | Catfish_Man | rohitr: if you don't know the command, check in /msg first instead of spamming |
18:08.38 | rohitr | ok. sorry. :) |
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18:14.49 | ajuonline | !log |
18:14.49 | socinfo | Error: access denied (owner). |
18:15.18 | ajuonline | something's wrong =) i guess |
18:15.22 | ajuonline | !lh |
18:15.22 | socinfo | "lh" is Leslie Hawthorn, Geek Herder extraordinaire for GSoC 2005 till GSoC 2010, carols has taken over as Program Manager |
18:15.29 | ajuonline | err. not. |
18:15.59 | ajuonline | Catfish_Man: I can haz fish nao? |
18:16.04 | thebolt | !logs |
18:16.04 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
18:16.08 | thebolt | is the right one |
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21:17.45 | vivia | darn |
21:18.20 | vivia | since i attached my screen, i just had time to look at #gsoc and i realized i missed the doughnuts :'( |
21:21.51 | vivia | Catfish_Man: i think adium is just libpurple with a nice mac interface, isn't it? |
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21:22.29 | Catfish_Man | vivia: no, it's used at least 3 other libraries at various points |
21:22.35 | Catfish_Man | also I have issues with "just" :P |
21:22.38 | Catfish_Man | it's more code than libpurple is |
21:23.17 | Catfish_Man | (currently it uses libpurple, libezv, and mgtwitterengine as backends. In the past it's also used joscar) |
21:23.32 | vivia | humm, okay that might explain why you say it's fat. but i'm running pidgin on nokia 770s and n810s and it's always been very fast, so that got me a bit surprised |
21:24.14 | Catfish_Man | vivia: 250,000 lines of non-libpurple code is plenty of places to use more ram ;) |
21:24.38 | vivia | oh, okay that makes sense then :) |
21:24.41 | Catfish_Man | although purple_status_new is actually one of the bigger offenders. That thing calls malloc at least a thousand times in a row during startup |
21:25.12 | vivia | yikes |
21:25.37 | vivia | i don't know whether i prefer this, or an interpreted language where you just don't know exactly how much malloc is running |
21:25.42 | Catfish_Man | buddy icons are another big one. I think we can get a good win there by using NSCache to dump icon caches on system memory pressure |
21:26.09 | vivia | in fact, I don't get why it should download buddy icons when i'm invisible and give me away?! |
21:26.21 | Catfish_Man | it generally gets those from the server |
21:26.26 | Catfish_Man | so... it's not giving you away |
21:26.32 | vivia | on msn at least, it connects to the other peer |
21:26.41 | Catfish_Man | MSN is friggin' terrible |
21:26.48 | vivia | i know but that's where all my contacts are :) |
21:26.59 | Catfish_Man | luckily mine are all xmpp and aim |
21:27.17 | vivia | and i somehow ended up involved in amsn, so that's yet another pleasure |
21:27.39 | vivia | but not when M$ changes the protocol _yet again_ and decides to e.g. require a freaking SOAP request to block someone |
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