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| 05:35.16 | coppro | !countdown |
| 05:35.17 | socinfo | Error: "countdown" is not a valid command. |
| 05:35.21 | coppro | uh |
| 05:35.23 | coppro | !time |
| 05:35.23 | socinfo | "time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
| 05:35.32 | coppro | lol |
| 05:35.38 | coppro | !next |
| 05:35.38 | socinfo | "next" is (#1) The community bonding period (http://tinyurl.com/4w3kfm) has started! Coding will start on May 24., or (#2) For more info on what's coming up after this see http://bit.ly/c3NYw6 |
| 05:35.42 | coppro | there we go |
| 05:38.42 | coppro | Is it strictly necessary to complete the project to receive payment? |
| 05:39.04 | ajuonline | why not? |
| 05:39.13 | ajuonline | what else are you getting paid for? :P |
| 05:39.29 | rrix | I think it's mostly up to your mentor |
| 05:39.36 | ojwb | it is |
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| 05:39.47 | rrix | But if they're sane, you'd only get paid on *doing* something |
| 05:40.24 | ojwb | so come up with a realistic plan and work hard |
| 05:40.34 | rrix | yup |
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| 05:40.56 | ojwb | if you don't complete the plan because you were slacking off, don't expect sympathy |
| 05:42.12 | rrix | But on the same thread, sometimes problems crop up.. That's why it's the mentor's decision. If $big_problem_you_can't_solve comes up as a blocker, yah know... |
| 05:42.22 | ojwb | and if you hit problems which hold you up, talk to people sooner rather than banging away at a brick wall for weeks |
| 05:42.55 | rrix | Yup |
| 05:43.12 | rrix | Man, i'm tired. ⦠I should go to sleep. Instead I'm blogging my SoC progress... feh |
| 05:45.44 | rrix | considers slapping the gsoc-students list around for a while |
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| 06:41.33 | infinity0 | blogging your SoC progress? are you a student? do you not have eg. actual coding to be getting on with? |
| 06:41.59 | infinity0 | i don't understand the point of talking about code, anywhere other than commit logs, or maybe a tutorial or guide |
| 06:42.43 | ajuonline | infinity0: are you a student/mentor? |
| 06:43.02 | infinity0 | mentor, why? |
| 06:43.41 | kai | infinity0: point being that we're too old to understand why the kids like blogging ;) |
| 06:43.45 | ajuonline | whats the harm if the student blogs? |
| 06:43.56 | ajuonline | kai++ |
| 06:44.07 | infinity0 | lol |
| 06:44.14 | ojwb | a student who blogs about their project is far better from one you have to poke to get any response from |
| 06:44.22 | ajuonline | exactly! |
| 06:44.30 | ajuonline | and I wouldnt want someone like infinity0 as my mentor :P |
| 06:44.32 | Upthorn | Last year my mentor requested that keep a blog that I update at least once per week with my status |
| 06:44.54 | infinity0 | blogging about doing something makes it seems like you've actually done something |
| 06:45.03 | Upthorn | I don't normally blog, so maintaining the status log was the most difficult part of the project for me |
| 06:45.35 | Upthorn | excepting perhaps documenting the finished API on the wiki |
| 06:46.32 | coppro | my project has the 'commit early, commit often' policy, so my progress will likely be reflected there |
| 06:47.22 | infinity0 | yeah, i'd rather my student take a break and get a life than blog about something that's already in the commit logs |
| 06:47.42 | Upthorn | my project last year had commit early, commit often as well |
| 06:48.30 | Upthorn | but I guess it was helpful for community members who might not have the commit logs monitored to be able to check the org's blog planet to see important progress on SoC projects |
| 06:48.42 | infinity0 | true |
| 06:48.52 | ajuonline | Upthorn:++ |
| 06:48.56 | coppro | a useful technique for me will bet getting privileges to commit without review, because otherwise I'm going to end up waiting with patches stagnating on the lists making further work more difficult |
| 06:50.17 | ojwb | commit logs are typically a rather low level view of the work, so it can be hard to follow even if you are monitoring them |
| 06:51.06 | infinity0 | i think it's better if a reviewer writes the high-level description |
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| 06:51.38 | infinity0 | then it means 2 people have understood it :p |
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| 07:02.20 | ojwb | well, perhaps... |
| 07:03.24 | kai | or you have another piece of documentation that almost correctly explains what the code does :) |
| 07:04.16 | kai | that said, we also require weekly reports from the students |
| 07:05.03 | kai | I just see no use in "dear blog, today I implemented do_something_tricky()." |
| 07:05.25 | ojwb | though at least that helps narrow down the time of death |
| 07:06.26 | kai | hehe |
| 07:08.09 | infinity0 | you'd consult with whoever wrote the code, obviously |
| 07:09.35 | infinity0 | it's more to see that the code isn't so complex that you can't work out any level of abstraction from it at all |
| 07:10.07 | coppro | Good commit messages should include high-level info |
| 07:10.36 | coppro | low-level info is conveyed by the code |
| 07:11.15 | ojwb | well, there's that *should* there |
| 07:11.19 | infinity0 | sometimes it takes more than a couple of commits to implement something, where do you put the high-level info then? |
| 07:11.39 | rrix | infinity0: I blogged because it's too late for sane code :) |
| 07:11.40 | ojwb | but yes, what infinity0 just said |
| 07:12.05 | infinity0 | heh fair enough rrix |
| 07:12.23 | rrix | (if the initial comment was in reference to me) |
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| 07:16.57 | dholbach | good morning |
| 07:17.27 | infinity0 | rrix: yeah, though it was intended at "blogging about code" in general, i didn't know about your specific case :p |
| 07:17.44 | infinity0 | just me bitching at 8am in the morning :) |
| 07:17.55 | rrix | :) |
| 07:18.25 | rrix | infinity0: I'm a fan of transparency and openness... Keeping people up to date in the community who don't usually read commit logs and stuff like that |
| 07:20.32 | infinity0 | right, it depends on what level of detail, "blogging" conjured up images of daily accounts of what methods you coded |
| 07:21.27 | rrix | Not for me... I haven't touched the blog wrt gsoc since the initial "zomg i was accepted" post. |
| 07:21.45 | Landon | infinity0: diagrams! |
| 07:21.47 | Landon | with lens flares! |
| 07:21.56 | Landon | decision trees! |
| 07:22.04 | infinity0 | lol lens flares |
| 07:22.10 | infinity0 | does that even work on white bg |
| 07:22.25 | Landon | from a dark sun! |
| 07:22.33 | rrix | lens flares! |
| 07:22.34 | rrix | win! |
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| 07:26.20 | robbyoconnor | I won't code what methods i wrte :) |
| 07:26.29 | robbyoconnor | I WILL code what i did during the week |
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| 07:26.53 | robbyoconnor | wire frame tools |
| 07:27.02 | robbyoconnor | what's good? |
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| 07:53.16 | ei-grad | Hello all! How to submit proof of enrollment and foreign certification form to Google? |
| 07:53.27 | ei-grad | e-mail? fax? |
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| 07:55.02 | topfs2 | ei-grad, read the email again, everything is written there |
| 07:55.57 | robbyoconnor | ei-grad: seriously dude |
| 07:56.08 | robbyoconnor | pay attention the list or at least the announcement list |
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| 07:56.19 | robbyoconnor | prime RTFM moment. |
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| 08:00.04 | ei-grad | what e-mail exactly? at least could you give me name of topic? there is nothing in the "New Student Info: Tax Forms, Proof of Enrollment, and Welcome Packages" and "New Student Info: New Foreign Certification Form" |
| 08:00.55 | topfs2 | if you read those you would know how to turn it in |
| 08:03.31 | ei-grad | there is nothing |
| 08:04.18 | ei-grad | seems like I missed that email, in tonns of spam, could anybody help me? |
| 08:04.53 | topfs2 | read them again, it is in them. Do yourself a favour and try to find it |
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| 08:07.31 | topfs2 | sorry if I may come of as a jerk, but it really is there in clear text |
| 08:09.07 | ihalip | ei-grad: check the second page, and the third page and so on until you find it |
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| 08:14.42 | ei-grad | why don't you just ask "send it to carol?" its really not trivial to find that |
| 08:14.44 | ei-grad | trolls |
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| 08:19.23 | topfs2 | omg omg omg he found the impossible information |
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| 08:21.19 | ihalip | wait, isn't today the deadline for sending the documents? |
| 08:21.25 | ihalip | !timeline |
| 08:21.25 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 08:21.31 | topfs2 | I think it was extended to 20th |
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| 08:21.35 | topfs2 | But not sure |
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| 08:22.40 | ihalip | ah, 21st even |
| 08:22.51 | Zerocool1989 | hi |
| 08:23.10 | Zerocool1989 | cam any one please tell me when the card shipping will start |
| 08:23.11 | Zerocool1989 | ?? |
| 08:24.05 | ihalip | doesn't know |
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| 08:25.22 | topfs2 | If you really need to know I'd mail carols but I would guess they start sending it asap |
| 08:25.54 | topfs2 | I mean they are supposed to arrive something like end of may or beginning of june weren't they? |
| 08:26.33 | Zerocool1989 | i changed the shipping address around a week ago |
| 08:26.54 | ihalip | Zerocool1989: it's probably a bit late... |
| 08:27.37 | Zerocool1989 | i was notified that i got GSOC on 4th |
| 08:27.45 | Zerocool1989 | may |
| 08:27.46 | ihalip | but if that's the case, i'd mail carol ASAP |
| 08:30.45 | Zerocool1989 | thanks |
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| 09:32.25 | kai | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:33.14 | Ivanovic | kai: what is this meant to be for? |
| 09:33.43 | kai | it's part of a gene annotation software called glimmer that fails to compile on a recent g++ |
| 09:34.25 | kai | mostly "#include <cstring>" and s/str<something>/std::str<something>/ fixes needed |
| 09:34.42 | kai | but g++ also warns about that line |
| 09:35.03 | ojwb | it'll suggest you bracket the && |
| 09:35.10 | kai | yeah sure |
| 09:35.22 | kai | that's what both precedence and logic of the check suggest |
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| 09:35.36 | Landon | kai: agreed, it should be if (st<en&&en-st<=len<<1||st-en>len<<1) |
| 09:35.42 | kai | but it'd be immediately obvious with brackets |
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| 09:40.48 | Ivanovic | Landon: honestly, what do you need the start<end for? this one is implicitly included in the comparision that follows! |
| 09:40.50 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 09:43.35 | thiago_home | hint: add parentheses and spaces |
| 09:45.13 | thiago_home | kai: it looks like some code I wrote for circular buffers |
| 09:45.38 | thiago_home | start > end is possible |
| 09:46.49 | Ivanovic | ah, right, too early for my head to think cleanly... |
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| 15:11.34 | ajuonline | yawns |
| 15:12.08 | thebolt | hi ajuonline |
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| 15:14.03 | sulabh_m | anyone know about some good but precise guide for awk |
| 15:14.12 | ajuonline | hi thebolt, how are you doing? |
| 15:17.33 | thebolt | ajuonline: decent.. but its monday so .. :P |
| 15:17.56 | thebolt | and you? |
| 15:17.56 | ajuonline | glad my monday is about to end :P |
| 15:18.11 | ajuonline | exhasuted, to say the least.. |
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| 15:19.31 | thebolt | hehe, yea.. me too.. hay fever is pretty bad atm too.. thinking about going home from work this very minute (the work-day is about over) have a meeting later though so either i have to go now, or stay another couple of hours |
| 15:20.09 | ajuonline | i am figuring out, to have dinner or not o.O |
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| 15:36.26 | anirvana | Should I expect an acknowledgment mail from google after submitting the documents? |
| 15:37.01 | anirvana | I submitted the docs yesterday, but haven't got any mail as yet! |
| 15:39.04 | ajuonline | anirvana: at most you will get a mail from carols saying "Thanks! Got it!" |
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| 15:39.41 | ajuonline | that is after she resumes office tday and whenever she is able to reach to your mail in the countless mails, |
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| 15:40.04 | anirvana | ajuonline : ok thanks! |
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| 18:08.43 | carols | hey Catfish_Man |
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| 18:09.44 | Catfish_Man | g'morning carols :) |
| 18:09.49 | carols | :-) |
| 18:09.53 | Catfish_Man | how goes it? |
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| 18:26.28 | carols | good. how was your weekend Catfish_Man? |
| 18:26.48 | Catfish_Man | quite nice. Went to a friend's housewarming on Saturday, played a bunch of Okami, and had tasty southern food |
| 18:26.49 | Catfish_Man | yourself? |
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| 18:35.57 | carols | good. took a trip down to san luis obispo and relaxed :-) |
| 18:36.03 | carols | mmm southern food sounds awesome |
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| 18:36.44 | Catfish_Man | yeah it was tasty. Probably about 2384720457 calories, but hey, I'm young :) |
| 18:38.03 | carols | calories schmalories :-P |
| 18:38.36 | Catfish_Man | fried chicken and really good mac & cheese |
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| 18:39.18 | vjsamuel | carols: ping? |
| 18:39.24 | carols | vjsamuel: pong |
| 18:39.28 | Catfish_Man | speaking of which, it's about lunchtime |
| 18:39.31 | carols | mmm mac and cheese |
| 18:39.31 | Catfish_Man | back later everyone :) |
| 18:39.36 | carols | ttyl Catfish_Man |
| 18:40.19 | vjsamuel | carols: i mailed you the tax forms and the student enrollment proof. if anything is out of order please tell me and i 'll make the required changes. :) |
| 18:40.27 | carols | vjsamuel: great, thanks |
| 18:40.40 | vjsamuel | carols: thank you. :) |
| 18:40.47 | carols | vjsamuel: thank you :-) |
| 18:41.03 | vjsamuel | carols: we can go about this for hours together :) |
| 18:41.24 | carols | vjsamuel: indeed. :-) |
| 18:41.35 | thebolt | hi all |
| 18:43.00 | gevaerts | thinks that something is missing |
| 18:43.08 | gevaerts | serves tea |
| 18:43.40 | vjsamuel | carols: ok, i ll take leave from you now :) |
| 18:43.49 | carols | serves some tea |
| 18:43.55 | carols | sits down to tea with gento_ |
| 18:43.58 | carols | and gev |
| 18:44.01 | carols | sorry :-) |
| 18:44.06 | gevaerts | :) |
| 18:44.45 | Neo-- | hum... will there a be a picnic in real life at the end of GSOC? :> |
| 18:46.10 | Kosma | for mentors - yes ;-) |
| 18:48.48 | Neo-- | aw, a shame :) |
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| 18:55.14 | kblin | evening :) |
| 18:55.49 | kblin | Neo--: so be a mentor the next time around? |
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| 18:56.10 | Neo-- | kblin, hehe, will think about it ;) |
| 18:58.13 | thebolt | hi kblin |
| 18:58.52 | kblin | hey thebolt |
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| 21:33.39 | Ademan | how do we know that our student info was recieved properly? The student info page said it would be published to the mailing list in a spreadsheet, is there any way to know beforehand? (so I can furnish further proof of enrollment etc) |
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| 21:41.53 | mkarnicki | Ademan: what student info? |
| 21:42.11 | mkarnicki | Ademan: did you send the documents in already? |
| 21:43.27 | mkarnicki | Ademan: I'm not sure what student info are you talking about, but normally if you send your documents to Carol (carols), she'll reply with at least short "got it!" note |
| 21:43.39 | carols | yes she will :-) |
| 21:43.55 | carols | Ademan: i'm responding to emails, ill get to yours soon |
| 21:43.59 | mkarnicki | carols: hi carols :) |
| 21:44.05 | carols | hi mkarnicki |
| 21:44.11 | carols | thanks for holding down the fort |
| 21:44.20 | jkwood | Requests for information on the global Google teleportation system goes in the round file, though. |
| 21:44.23 | mkarnicki | carols: please excuse me, I'll get back to my gsoc work =) |
| 21:44.36 | mkarnicki | carols: my pleasure. peeking in here from time to time. |
| 21:44.41 | carols | what jkwood said :-) |
| 21:44.46 | carols | mkarnicki: enjoy :-) |
| 21:45.08 | mkarnicki | carols: thanks :) |
| 21:47.16 | mkarnicki | has to restart the server, waves |
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| 22:01.07 | Ademan | carols: thanks, (sorry I was afk) |
| 22:01.20 | carols | Ademan: yw |
| 22:01.41 | joshthecoder | carols, should we be expecting our cards to arrive this week? |
| 22:01.50 | carols | joshthecoder: no |
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| 22:02.02 | Ademan | I went on quite an adventure to scan my signed w9 form :-p |
| 22:02.04 | carols | joshthecoder: at the *earliest* it will be next week, but more likely the week after |
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| 22:02.33 | joshthecoder | carols, okay sounds good, thanks |
| 22:02.41 | carols | joshthecoder: yw |
| 22:03.47 | Ademan | I'd never tried to use my hp v40's scanning, either xsane can't handle it or the old machine is broken. Then I learned that EPSON all-in-one machines won't even scan without a full load of 6 cartridges, and then I had to find a 24/7 kinkos and it turns out I left my signed copies at home in the scanning bed of the EPSON haha |
| 22:05.20 | Kosma | haha |
| 22:05.26 | Kosma | I had similiar experiences |
| 22:05.46 | Kosma | my good ol' laserjet5 decided it's time to smudge the toner all over both sides of paper (???) |
| 22:05.54 | Ademan | hahah |
| 22:06.20 | Kosma | so I visited a friend who has a hp inkjet... which doesn't work with empty black cardridge |
| 22:07.00 | Ademan | that reminds me, my laserjet stippled all of the text on the w9, I guess they weren't completely black or something, came out really ugly |
| 22:07.22 | MatthewWilkes | evenin' all |
| 22:07.58 | mlankhorst | eve carols :) |
| 22:08.24 | carols | eve mlankhorst :-) |
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| 22:22.00 | mlankhorst | still got that free couch? |
| 22:23.11 | carols | !couch |
| 22:23.11 | socinfo | "couch" is open source couch on which to chill |
| 22:23.25 | mlankhorst | yay |
| 22:23.27 | mlankhorst | hops on |
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| 22:30.57 | Nightrose | notes that that couch is pretty amazing |
| 22:31.01 | Nightrose | never seems to get full |
| 22:35.03 | mlankhorst | people keep adding features to it ;) |
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| 23:22.46 | Ademan | thanks for getting back to me carols |
| 23:22.52 | carols | Ademan: yw |
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| 23:33.01 | xnox | carols, loved your blogpost about planning a hackfest around erupting volcanoes =) |
| 23:34.24 | carols | xnox: why thank you :-) it was quite the adventure |
| 23:34.37 | mlankhorst | haha, if only we could fly to iceland :> |
| 23:35.16 | xnox | mlankhorst, carols was in amsterdam / Delft |
| 23:35.26 | xnox | and had to fly from England =) |
| 23:35.36 | carols | :-) |
| 23:36.00 | mlankhorst | and it's still tempting to say i to.. noo must not do it! |
| 23:36.23 | xnox | carols, my housemate is starting Phd in TU Delft in August =) and he was lucky to fly to slovakia from UK same weekend ;-) |
| 23:36.43 | carols | xnox: wow, sounds like a close call there too :-) |
| 23:37.56 | xnox | Bought a domain name for myself and switched from wordpress to blogger & also got myself google apps for domain =) |
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| 23:38.29 | xnox | really cool to have website, email, calendar, mobile contact sync all with your own custom domain for £7 for 2 years =) |
| 23:38.46 | mlankhorst | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.53 | mlankhorst | I'd have something to look after then |
| 23:39.00 | mlankhorst | don't like dogs |
| 23:39.24 | xnox | totally worth it =) and wordpress.com is evil !!! they steal your pagerank and want to make you pay $10 for the rest of your life for temporary redirection |
| 23:40.00 | xnox | mlankhorst, well there are VPN hosts from gandi.net for £8 per month. Too expensive for a student =) |
| 23:40.05 | ojwb | hopes that the rest of his life doesn't count as that "temporary" |
| 23:40.12 | xnox | and my ISP is rubbish to run server from my own computer |
| 23:40.29 | mlankhorst | quite simple, get into the universitary network and get 100mbit :) |
| 23:41.11 | xnox | mlankhorst, yeah =) i can't do anything on my uni network..... and are you planning to be in uni for ever to host your bits on the internetz ? =) |
| 23:41.26 | mlankhorst | nah, dorms have 100mbit |
| 23:42.17 | xnox | well my dorm had about 10mbit but it was firewalled like hell..... couldn't use skype nor irc |
| 23:42.21 | xnox | how crap is that =) |
| 23:42.59 | mlankhorst | this whole city has fiber everywhere, but only companies can use it, and student flats >:( |
| 23:43.05 | mlankhorst | im in neither |
| 23:43.07 | robbyoconnor | my domain name expires Aug 2 |
| 23:43.13 | mlankhorst | really sucks |
| 23:43.21 | robbyoconnor | i haven't used it in ages :X |
| 23:43.46 | robbyoconnor | it's just too awesome to give up :D |
| 23:43.50 | robbyoconnor | mybawx.org :D |
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| 23:52.14 | xnox | robbyoconnor, park it with godaddy and you might get ads revenue to keep it alive / generate enough to pay revewal |
| 23:52.25 | xnox | s / revewal / renewal |
| 23:52.36 | robbyoconnor | xnox: why? |
| 23:52.39 | robbyoconnor | I use gandi :) |
| 23:52.57 | xnox | well I use gandi as well =) |
| 23:53.37 | robbyoconnor | it's what a shell host used when I bought it...in 2001 |
| 23:53.40 | xnox | dunno =) if I nolonger use my domain I will still keep it alive cause google cache still holds references to it |
| 23:53.43 | robbyoconnor | jesus christ where does time go?!?!?! |
| 23:53.44 | robbyoconnor | :) |
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| 23:54.00 | xnox | well I got my first domain ever 2 days ago =) |
| 23:54.27 | robbyoconnor | I used my project's demo shell |
| 23:54.39 | robbyoconnor | I keep putty open since i need an ssh tunnel |
