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| 05:30.44 | kblin | hehe |
| 05:31.10 | kblin | gets some popcorn and browses the student mailing list |
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| 05:32.27 | kblin | so we're in the "s1: question? s2: stfu, n00b! s3: don't harrass the new people" phase |
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| 05:35.16 | robbyoconnor | kblin: I've offered my expertise in the "don't spam produces more spam" arena |
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| 05:36.16 | ajuonline | o.O |
| 05:36.20 | kblin | robbyoconnor: I'd be surprised if they suddenly started to listen to reason |
| 05:36.50 | kblin | I think this is just the thing that is bound to happen on a mailing list with that many people on |
| 05:37.35 | robbyoconnor | kblin: I'd be surprised if they had common sense |
| 05:37.37 | kblin | I mean the mentor list is pretty bad sometimes, and you'd expect _those_ people to know how to deal with mailing lists |
| 05:39.06 | ajuonline | nah. they are equally human :P and I'd like to assume, there are some mentor's who are worse than students? :P |
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| 05:40.06 | ojwb | some seem to really like the sound of their own voice |
| 05:40.37 | kblin | and some are teaching staff from universities.. |
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| 05:40.53 | Dark_Shikari | isn't subscribed to most of these lists, thus avoiding the problem |
| 05:40.53 | kblin | and the fun part is, I haven't managed to find a correlation between those two groups |
| 05:41.50 | kblin | Dark_Shikari: well, I've switched the students list to digest mode years ago |
| 05:42.15 | Dark_Shikari | hell, I subscribe to lkml |
| 05:42.20 | Dark_Shikari | and I still think this stuff is a waste by comparison =p |
| 05:42.47 | kblin | well, we don't really have _good_ flamewars on the mentor list |
| 05:43.12 | kblin | "omg, melange sucks so bad, google should fix it!" is getting a bit old |
| 05:43.53 | MostAwesomeDude | To be fair... :3 |
| 05:44.12 | Dark_Shikari | google could do better by just using a google docs spreadsheet |
| 05:45.04 | kblin | I doubt that |
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| 05:46.13 | kblin | I mean I agree that html wysiwyg editing of the proposals is overengineered, a text box would be fine |
| 05:46.23 | Dark_Shikari | well, more like "it wouldn't crash constantly" |
| 05:46.40 | Dark_Shikari | and "it wouldn't take 30 seconds to load even when it works" |
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| 05:47.14 | kblin | yeah, but reading proposals in a spreadsheet sucks :) |
| 05:47.40 | Dark_Shikari | they could just email them to me |
| 05:48.07 | kblin | that's what happened in 2005, iirc |
| 05:48.34 | kblin | there was a text box that sent an email to chris, and he manually forwarded the apps to the mentoring orgs |
| 05:48.42 | Dark_Shikari | ok, that's funny |
| 05:48.46 | kblin | around ~9000 of them, I think :) |
| 05:48.49 | Dark_Shikari | they could just email it to ME =p |
| 05:49.16 | kblin | hm, I think that was redundant, I think... |
| 05:49.21 | kblin | anyway |
| 05:49.37 | kblin | Dark_Shikari: you've got a point there |
| 05:49.54 | Dark_Shikari | I mean, I like the idea of melange |
| 05:50.08 | Dark_Shikari | but above all, it's a really bad demo of the google app engine ;) |
| 05:50.30 | kblin | however, I understand that managing gsoc using melange is much nicer than what they had before |
| 05:51.02 | kblin | and given there's many of us and only one gsoc program manager, it just scales better to distribute the pain this way around |
| 05:51.30 | ojwb | the old app was pretty poor for us too |
| 05:51.42 | ojwb | thinks some people forget (or weren't there) |
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| 05:52.00 | MostAwesomeDude | Melange is the worst way of doing this, except for all the other ways that have been tried. :3 |
| 05:52.07 | ojwb | agrees that melange would do better not to try to deal with HTML edits |
| 05:52.10 | kblin | ojwb: I hardly remember that, to be honest, I've used melange twice and the older system just once from the admin side of things |
| 05:52.24 | ojwb | had one year of the old system as a mentor |
| 05:53.32 | kblin | MostAwesomeDude: I guess most web-apps are the worst possible way of doing things |
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| 05:54.32 | ojwb | also feels the scoring system is rather problematic |
| 05:54.44 | ojwb | but I'm not sure what would be better |
| 05:55.44 | kblin | drag&drop ordering. we've got a fancy JS-based table already ;) |
| 05:56.15 | kblin | if any melange dev is reading this.. I was joking. :) |
| 05:56.55 | ojwb | you can just ignore the scoring and have the admin set positions or scores by hand based on external decisions |
| 05:57.42 | ojwb | but the presence of a scoring system which we weren't using as it appeared to work seemed to cause widespread confusion in debian this year |
| 05:58.28 | kblin | let's overengineer this a bit more and have multiple scoring plug-ins ;) |
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| 05:59.01 | ojwb | yay! |
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| 06:00.40 | ojwb | really I'm wondering if there's a simple clean approach which better supports different ways of working (though just a button for the admin to disable the ability for mentors to set a score might help) |
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| 06:25.50 | sanjoyd | is wondering when he'll have to submit the proof for enrolment thing. |
| 06:26.28 | sanjoyd | s/for/of |
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| 06:28.12 | ajuonline | when carols asks for it, |
| 06:28.16 | SukhE | You will be asked for it. As of now, don't bother too much. |
| 06:28.24 | sanjoyd | :) |
| 06:28.38 | ajuonline | SukhE: ki haal chaal? |
| 06:28.53 | SukhE | ajuonline: Hello! |
| 06:29.15 | SukhE | Took your advice and started on the code :) |
| 06:29.37 | ajuonline | :) |
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| 06:54.45 | kblin | evening Catfish_Man |
| 06:54.52 | Catfish_Man | 'lo kblin :) |
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| 08:42.27 | sanjoyd | is thinking of learning Haskell. |
| 08:43.20 | robbyoconnor | do you have time? |
| 08:43.29 | robbyoconnor | you should be focusing on your project |
| 08:44.46 | ajuonline | robbyoconnor: you should be shutting up and sleeping. |
| 08:44.49 | sanjoyd | robbyoconnor, my project is my first priority, of course. :) |
| 08:44.51 | ajuonline | ;o) |
| 08:45.08 | aishumoorthy | ajuonline: where will the logs of this channel be?? |
| 08:45.13 | sanjoyd | !logs |
| 08:45.14 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 08:45.14 | ajuonline | !logs |
| 08:45.15 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 08:47.59 | robbyoconnor | sanjoyd: you wont have time |
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| 08:49.21 | sanjoyd | robbyoconnor, possibly. After summers then. |
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| 08:49.52 | aishumoorthy | Thanks :) |
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| 08:50.27 | anirvana | can someone tell me the documents needed to be submitted to google? |
| 08:50.53 | baer | just wait for the email ;) |
| 08:51.22 | sanjoyd | Or, post another mail to the list, contributing to the confusion already there. |
| 08:51.24 | sanjoyd | :) |
| 08:51.29 | tzikis | sanjoyd: so true |
| 08:52.10 | sanjoyd | First I've seem so many anti-anti-anti-anti-spam mails. :D |
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| 08:53.32 | ajuonline | and then robbyoconnor 's mails |
| 08:53.47 | ajuonline | to each of those |
| 08:54.09 | robbyoconnor | sanjoyd: perhaps you've ALSO seen the ANSWERS |
| 08:54.17 | robbyoconnor | every one of which has been saying PATIENCE |
| 08:54.26 | robbyoconnor | carol will tell us in due time. SO WAIT |
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| 08:54.51 | ajuonline | puts some tape robbyoconnor |
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| 08:55.08 | robbyoconnor | anirvana: also: this is covered in the FAQ -- i read it recently and know this for a fact. |
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| 08:56.13 | sanjoyd | robbyoconnor, I *am* waiting. Have not sent one mail to the list. |
| 08:56.26 | robbyoconnor | good! |
| 08:56.37 | shreyas | !next |
| 08:56.37 | socinfo | "next" is (#1) The community bonding period (http://tinyurl.com/4w3kfm) has started! Coding will start on May 24., or (#2) For more info on what's coming up after this see http://bit.ly/c3NYw6 |
| 08:56.39 | robbyoconnor | the proper thing now would be to email carol DIRECTLY :) |
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| 08:58.11 | robbyoconnor | beats ajuonline with a dead cat |
| 08:58.25 | sanjoyd | Is it possible to log into groups.google.com using a google apps account? |
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| 08:59.14 | ajuonline | yes. |
| 08:59.33 | ajuonline | that needs to be a Google Account, |
| 09:00.20 | ajuonline | logoff all Google Services, and sign up google.com/accounts with ur "any" email address to set it up as a Google Account |
| 09:00.21 | robbyoconnor | sanjoyd: google apps USES a google account. |
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| 09:01.30 | ajuonline | robbyoconnor: hosted email service from g apps |
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| 09:08.02 | sanjoyd | ajuonline, I can log into groups.google.com using my email address now (thanks!), though the gsoc mailing list does not seem to show up. |
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| 09:09.33 | ajuonline | sanjoyd: coz thats an invite only list. only your email listed under ur students profile has access to it. |
| 09:10.07 | ajuonline | you will have to re-subscribe other groups, using this email in case you want to switch |
| 09:13.01 | sanjoyd | Something's screwed up - logging into melange does not take me to my old account now. I think I've overwritten my old account by creating a new account at google.com/accounts |
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| 09:15.46 | sanjoyd | Fixed now. |
| 09:17.39 | ajuonline | sanjoyd: a Google Account is different.. |
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| 09:21.54 | sanjoyd | ajuonline, never mind, got confused, my bad. :) |
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| 15:37.28 | mlankhorst | noon |
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| 15:50.44 | masterX | hi , is anyone in FreeBSD project ? |
| 15:50.52 | mlankhorst | !anyone |
| 15:50.52 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 15:53.25 | smtms | masterX, there is #freebsd-soc on EFNet |
| 15:53.43 | masterX | smtms: thanx :) |
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| 15:54.47 | mlankhorst | smtms: I believe firmly in the principle learn people to look for the answer, instead of handing it to them :) |
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| 15:57.26 | smtms | mlankhorst, I don't know a place where the channel is mentioned, so it was easier to point to the channel than to find such a place |
| 15:57.50 | mlankhorst | smtms: if you followed the link there |
| 15:57.54 | mlankhorst | then clicked on freebsd |
| 15:57.58 | mlankhorst | then read the text.. |
| 15:58.06 | mlankhorst | # Contact a potential mentor or ask on thefreebsd-hackers mailing list or the #freebsd-soc IRC channel on EFNet and refine your idea(s). |
| 15:58.40 | kblin | wait.. are you now bitching at smtms for not diffing up the link? |
| 15:58.46 | mlankhorst | :) |
| 15:58.51 | mlankhorst | well ill shut up now ;P |
| 15:59.04 | kblin | digging, btw |
| 15:59.04 | mlankhorst | didn't get my coffee today, ran out |
| 15:59.26 | kblin | clearly I spend too much time on patches |
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| 16:12.20 | ebo | mlankhorst: that's a sin... running out of coffee... |
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| 16:16.09 | mlankhorst | and its sunday |
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| 16:20.07 | mlankhorst | not many stores are open now :( |
| 16:21.20 | gevaerts | mlankhorst: don't you have lots of coffee shops there anyway? ;) |
| 16:21.44 | mlankhorst | but getting stoned is not the same |
| 16:21.49 | xnox | =)))) |
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| 19:05.24 | archivator | Is it me or is the 2010 Foreign Certification Form nowhere to be found? I found the 2008 & 2009 ones but the new one is not there.. |
| 19:05.36 | tulcod | archivator: monday |
| 19:05.58 | topfs2 | will it be mailed out? |
| 19:06.13 | archivator | tulcod: thanks, that was a prompt answer! :) |
| 19:06.22 | tulcod | no guarantees though |
| 19:06.35 | tulcod | just repeating what carol /expects/ :) |
| 19:06.45 | archivator | fair enough, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything obvious :) |
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| 19:08.01 | kblin | khaaaaan! |
| 19:08.16 | kblin | I hate developing for phones |
| 19:09.04 | tulcod | ... and you signed up for android? |
| 19:09.19 | kblin | I gave up on that |
| 19:09.56 | kblin | but it looks like I'll need a vm for maemo as well |
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| 19:49.07 | JoeyA | I'm writing a resignation letter to my part-time job employer so I can focus on Google Summer of Code 2010; I'm trying to figure out how to phrase Google Summer of Code accurately. |
| 19:49.39 | JoeyA | I could just say "Google Summer of Code 2010", but I'm not sure it's polite to be that specific in a resignation letter (I don't know). |
| 19:50.19 | mck182 | hi people, is here anybody with OpenCL-enabled hardware and with some OpenCL skills? :) |
| 19:50.22 | masterX | GSoC2010 |
| 19:50.22 | JoeyA | It wouldn't be correct to say "internship" or "job". I could say "summer opportunity", but that seems too unspecific. |
| 19:51.10 | MostAwesomeDude | "Job" would be correct. |
| 19:51.48 | tulcod | JoeyA: "programming opportunity" would be good, imo |
| 19:51.51 | JoeyA | Well, it's not "employment at Google" |
| 19:51.55 | tulcod | depends on the phrase around it though |
| 19:52.20 | JoeyA | MostAwesomeDude: just curious, are you doing GSoC this year? I know you did it last year, working on shatter for Xorg. |
| 19:52.31 | JoeyA | Sorry if I sound like a stalker :-) |
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| 19:58.05 | xnox | JoeyA, some CV i have seen said "Job, employer Google, role Google Summer of Code for $Org" |
| 20:01.46 | thiago_home | yeah, I've seen that |
| 20:01.52 | thiago_home | I've interviewed people who had that |
| 20:01.54 | thiago_home | hired two |
| 20:02.03 | kblin | well, it's contract work, I'm not sure if that counts as "employer" |
| 20:02.20 | kblin | haven't read enough CVs in english so far :) |
| 20:02.21 | thiago_home | you can always explain what it is |
| 20:02.33 | thiago_home | but in my case, I knew of SoC, so I didn't have to ask |
| 20:02.43 | thiago_home | been involved with SoC since the first edition in 2005 |
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| 20:04.34 | kblin | I think the only real CVs I wrote so far were during GSoC application |
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| 20:05.11 | kblin | so I could safely assume that "did GsoC at XYZ last year" would say something to the people involved |
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| 20:05.45 | kblin | for my current job, handing in my thesis was sufficient and more relevant :) |
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| 20:07.33 | kblin | but academia is a special case, I guess |
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| 20:37.31 | dreimark | !timeline |
| 20:37.31 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 20:38.15 | tulcod | !next |
| 20:38.16 | socinfo | "next" is (#1) The community bonding period (http://tinyurl.com/4w3kfm) has started! Coding will start on May 24., or (#2) For more info on what's coming up after this see http://bit.ly/c3NYw6 |
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