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| 00:02.34 | dennda | When I submit a proposal i can still edit it as often as i want until the deadline, right? |
| 00:02.49 | mkarnicki | dennda: yes :) |
| 00:03.06 | mkarnicki | goodnight all |
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| 00:20.47 | drt24 | how do I work out the public link to my proposal? |
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| 00:21.08 | drt24 | as the private link doesn't work if I use it in another browser where I am not logged in. |
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| 00:22.05 | spectie | !timeline |
| 00:22.05 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 00:22.22 | drt24 | ah ok I change private to show :-) |
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| 00:35.55 | lolfrenz | you can't be accepted in more than one project in gsoc, can you? |
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| 00:36.12 | Wolf_OSGeo | lolfrenz: nope |
| 00:36.29 | xorAxAx | is chris di bona sometimes here as well? |
| 00:36.37 | Wolf_OSGeo | if two projects select you, you and they talk and decide on one |
| 00:36.40 | lolfrenz | I decided to actually rtfm right after I asked the question |
| 00:36.44 | lolfrenz | and quickly found the answer |
| 00:36.46 | lolfrenz | Wolf_OSGeo, thanks |
| 00:37.01 | lolfrenz | I'm not sure how this goes tho |
| 00:37.09 | lolfrenz | is it possible to end up from two projects with none? |
| 00:37.10 | Catfish_Man | xorAxAx: he has been, yes |
| 00:37.26 | Wolf_OSGeo | lolfrenz: there is an irc meeting where we talk it out |
| 00:37.29 | xorAxAx | Catfish_Man: but quite seldomly, i guess, right? |
| 00:37.42 | lolfrenz | oh, IRC meeting |
| 00:37.44 | lolfrenz | sounds awesome |
| 00:37.44 | Wolf_OSGeo | or do the actual selection, but talk before that |
| 00:37.47 | Catfish_Man | xorAxAx: I don't pay much attention to joins/leaves, but I don't recall seeing him recently |
| 00:37.54 | Catfish_Man | lolfrenz: the meeting is pure chaos, it's awesome |
| 00:37.58 | xorAxAx | Catfish_Man: whats his nick? |
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| 00:38.02 | lolfrenz | Catfish_Man, haha I can't wait |
| 00:38.11 | Catfish_Man | cdibona if memory services |
| 00:38.13 | Catfish_Man | er, serves |
| 00:38.22 | lolfrenz | I hope I get the chance to attend it tho |
| 00:38.30 | jkwood | Is it mentors-only? That was the impression I got. |
| 00:38.30 | Wolf_OSGeo | Catfish_Man: maybe your memory is in need of service? |
| 00:38.31 | lolfrenz | that is, get accepted for some projects |
| 00:38.51 | Wolf_OSGeo | jkwood: only mentors may talk all may lurk IIRC |
| 00:39.08 | jkwood | Ah, okay. |
| 00:39.13 | Wolf_OSGeo | they take your voice away |
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| 00:39.30 | lolfrenz | so when I have the chance of being in two projects, am I the one deciding in which I'll be? |
| 00:39.32 | Wolf_OSGeo | and then when they want to hear from you they shove it back in you |
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| 00:40.00 | Catfish_Man | lolfrenz: the mentors are, but it's standard policy to consult the student if at all possible |
| 00:40.01 | Wolf_OSGeo | lolfrenz: optimally you will be consulted, but the orgs have a final say |
| 00:40.30 | lolfrenz | that doesn't sound ideal but okay |
| 00:40.35 | Catfish_Man | this has gone as far as calling people in the middle of the night in the past |
| 00:40.41 | lolfrenz | haha |
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| 00:40.56 | Wolf_OSGeo | lolfrenz: by submitting a proposal you are agreeing that you will do the project |
| 00:41.09 | lolfrenz | Wolf_OSGeo, I know, but every one has its priorities |
| 00:41.33 | lolfrenz | and it would probably be nice to allow each student to establish priorities amongst its proposals |
| 00:41.39 | Wolf_OSGeo | lolfrenz: well then you can say so in the proposal, but will likely be droped in the least preferred ;) |
| 00:41.46 | Wolf_OSGeo | nobody likes to be second :P |
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| 00:41.59 | lolfrenz | true, which is why the priorities should be confidential |
| 00:42.17 | lolfrenz | and based upon them and the grades recieved for each proposal, it should be easier for the orgs to decide |
| 00:42.19 | Wolf_OSGeo | lolfrenz: that is why we ask your preference, but sometimes an org needs some project done more than another |
| 00:42.28 | Catfish_Man | lolfrenz: organizations who are aware of duplicate acceptances (the webapp has functionality for this) will often try to resolve them before the meeting |
| 00:42.31 | Catfish_Man | to reduce the chaos level |
| 00:42.38 | danderson | s/often/always/ |
| 00:43.02 | danderson | in the first years, the students were frequently consulted during conflicts, because the webapp did nothing to mitigate them |
| 00:43.21 | Wolf_OSGeo | in the meeting we have what? 30 secs? to decide |
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| 00:43.33 | lolfrenz | well, I think that adding this priority feature for students in the "List my proposals" page won't hurt anyone tho |
| 00:43.39 | danderson | now, it warns orgs as soon as conflicts are visible, there is a conflict resolution meeting where we try to resolve as many as possible by shifting slots around, which usually solves 100% of conflicts |
| 00:43.58 | lolfrenz | it could even automate the whole process completely I think |
| 00:43.58 | danderson | and in exceedingly rare cases (maybe 1 last year), the student gets asked what they want. |
| 00:44.07 | danderson | no. |
| 00:44.15 | danderson | well, yes, in theory, you could implement a constraint solver |
| 00:44.41 | Catfish_Man | isn't that np-complete? |
| 00:44.47 | Catfish_Man | it's the class schedule problem |
| 00:44.56 | lolfrenz | rofl |
| 00:44.56 | danderson | yes |
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| 00:45.11 | Wolf_OSGeo | lolfrenz: but you might prefer a low priority task for org A while org B is in critical need of your work, then the world is seved better by you doing a project for org B |
| 00:45.15 | danderson | in practice, it may be able to resolve many conflicts though |
| 00:45.31 | danderson | however, it fails to take into project needs and desires |
| 00:46.07 | jkwood | lolfrenz: At least in our org, you would want to avoid telling us that we were your last choice if at all possible. |
| 00:46.13 | danderson | in the conflict resolution meeting, things like "Well, we took him because the proposal was great, but the project itself is pretty much blue-sky experimentation. Org B's project is way more impactful and awesome, so they should have the student." |
| 00:46.31 | danderson | try codifying that into a constraint solver in a way that doesn't suck |
| 00:46.56 | jkwood | Insulting the people who may be hiring you is a TERRIBLE idea, in the job world or the open source world. |
| 00:47.08 | lolfrenz | jkwood, I wasn't planning on, I was discussing a webapp feature |
| 00:47.20 | lolfrenz | what's your org btw? |
| 00:47.30 | Wolf_OSGeo | OSGeo ;) |
| 00:47.35 | jkwood | FreedroidRPG. |
| 00:48.02 | lolfrenz | well, me + game development = me |
| 00:48.04 | jkwood | In any case, we the mentors are generally in a better place to analyze the benefits of having a certain proposal and student on our side. |
| 00:48.22 | Wolf_OSGeo | jkwood: well said :) |
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| 00:48.54 | jkwood | While we understand that you have preferences, a large goal of this whole program is to improve the open-source ecosystem. |
| 00:49.03 | Wolf_OSGeo | btw anyone know what a conflict looks like in the app? |
| 00:49.15 | Wolf_OSGeo | is it ennabled yet? |
| 00:50.30 | lolfrenz | from your experience, do the proposals coming from people who haven't posted in the ml in advance stand a chance? |
| 00:50.31 | jkwood | While I would love to see all our projects get done, I understand that some of the projects other orgs have are more crucial to them - we don't have anything that's mission-critical. |
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| 00:50.56 | jkwood | Depends on the project, I'm sure. |
| 00:51.40 | Wolf_OSGeo | lolfrenz: so far I'd say that the best ones are from people talking to us before submitting an app |
| 00:52.15 | Wolf_OSGeo | they are more focused in general |
| 00:52.31 | Wolf_OSGeo | but I'm amazed by the overall quality. Even better than last year |
| 00:52.51 | jkwood | Yes, we've seen lots of good proposals this year - it will be tought to choose. |
| 00:53.04 | Sgeo_ | probably can't get up to speed on any potential projects to submit any deceent proposals before the deadline |
| 00:53.40 | Wolf_OSGeo | Sgeo_: you are for sure running out of time |
| 00:53.49 | lolfrenz | well, I haven't sent any proposals yet |
| 00:53.54 | Wolf_OSGeo | but IMHO it never hurts to try |
| 00:54.34 | Wolf_OSGeo | lolfrenz: hopefully you are communicating with orgs ;) |
| 00:54.53 | lolfrenz | just one so far heh |
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| 00:56.23 | Wolf_OSGeo | in 2005 I tried to be a student, didn't really understand to communicate, well I wasn't selected... even though I thought I wrote some good apps for cool projects... No hard feelings though. In 2007 when I had the chace to be a mentor I jumped at it :) |
| 00:56.46 | MatthewWilkes | Yay, I had my days mixed up. Still got > 12 hours of proposal application period left |
| 00:57.02 | Wolf_OSGeo | MatthewWilkes: yup |
| 00:57.13 | Wolf_OSGeo | still 18 to go |
| 00:57.41 | MatthewWilkes | Wolf_OSGeo: Thought it had finished a few hours ago, very happy |
| 00:57.48 | Wolf_OSGeo | :D |
| 00:57.59 | Wolf_OSGeo | you'd better hurry though... |
| 00:58.40 | Wolf_OSGeo | danderson: did any late orgs get excused for the tz confusion? |
| 00:59.08 | MatthewWilkes | Wolf_OSGeo: I'm not a student, just thought one of our potentials had missed the deadline |
| 00:59.33 | MatthewWilkes | looks pointedly at Manca |
| 00:59.33 | MatthewWilkes | ;) |
| 00:59.34 | Wolf_OSGeo | MatthewWilkes: right, sorry. I remember seeing you here :) |
| 00:59.51 | Wolf_OSGeo | what org are you with? |
| 00:59.52 | Manca | Matt: I'm writting my proposal ;) |
| 01:00.02 | MatthewWilkes | hehehe |
| 01:00.04 | Manca | after talk with SteveM, I decided to give it a try ;) |
| 01:00.05 | danderson | Wolf_OSGeo: I believe a couple were shuffled in shortly after cutoff. I'm not certain though. |
| 01:00.06 | MatthewWilkes | Wolf_OSGeo: Plone |
| 01:00.19 | Manca | also, I've been scanning the code for the last two days now :) |
| 01:00.21 | danderson | and now that time issues have been (hopefully) made very clear, don't expect this to happen again |
| 01:00.22 | Wolf_OSGeo | hears the splash of a whip on a student's back |
| 01:00.27 | Manca | and it'd be a shame to just let it go :) |
| 01:00.34 | Manca | so, expect my proposal in an hour or so |
| 01:00.42 | danderson | (also, it's way more impossible to do fairly with 3000 students than it is with a couple hundred orgs) |
| 01:00.45 | MatthewWilkes | Awesome |
| 01:01.00 | Manca | also, I think Steve filled the mentor app |
| 01:01.03 | MatthewWilkes | He did |
| 01:01.07 | Manca | he offered to be my mentor |
| 01:01.09 | Manca | which is great! |
| 01:01.22 | Manca | (of course if i get selected) :) |
| 01:02.59 | MatthewWilkes | Well, that's up to you and google really ;) The better the proposal you write the more likely you are to get one of the slots. Dunno how many that is |
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| 01:04.06 | Manca | I agree |
| 01:04.11 | Manca | that's why I'm giving my best now |
| 01:04.55 | lolfrenz | can one subscribe to a ml given only the e-mail? |
| 01:05.05 | lolfrenz | because some gsoc project does so |
| 01:05.07 | LawG | Google decides who gets slots? I thought it was mainly up to the orgs |
| 01:05.08 | coppro | depends on the ml |
| 01:05.38 | jkwood | LawG: We the orgs ask for a certain number of slots. Google allocates them somewhat accordingly. |
| 01:05.39 | danderson | LawG: orgs request a # of slots based on their available mentoring bandwidth/projects. |
| 01:05.50 | danderson | the sum of these is too high |
| 01:05.58 | lolfrenz | coppro, anything I can try? |
| 01:06.00 | Catfish_Man | LawG: considering "slots" is an abstraction for "Google's money"... |
| 01:06.06 | danderson | Google then starts trimming/tweaking the numbers, and gives out the actual slots |
| 01:06.22 | danderson | these numbers get further tweaked as orgs haggle amongst them |
| 01:06.29 | LawG | Ah, okay makes sense |
| 01:06.49 | mayanks43 | !time |
| 01:06.50 | socinfo | "time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
| 01:06.52 | danderson | and yeah, what Catfish_Man said. |
| 01:07.04 | Wolf_OSGeo | coppro: have you sent an email to the list? |
| 01:07.09 | Wolf_OSGeo | it might be open |
| 01:07.22 | mayanks43 | let me google that for u LOL |
| 01:07.26 | Wolf_OSGeo | whoops lolfrenz see above |
| 01:07.32 | danderson | despite the impression of being a bottomless money well, GSoC does in fact have a finite budget |
| 01:07.41 | danderson | and that budget dictates how many projects can be financed |
| 01:07.55 | mayanks43 | bottonless money well :D |
| 01:07.56 | lolfrenz | apparently I'm not authorized, Wolf_OSGeo |
| 01:07.58 | Diuturnal | anyone got a rough idea on how many words I should write for a proposal. I just want to know a good idea of the minimum required. |
| 01:08.01 | lolfrenz | weird, since they put it as public ml |
| 01:08.09 | danderson | which effects pretty much all other numbers of the program (# students, # orgs) |
| 01:08.09 | mayanks43 | wht is ml? |
| 01:08.34 | lolfrenz | I assume it's public in a write-only manner, for writing our proposals. |
| 01:08.35 | Wolf_OSGeo | lolfrenz: also usual ways is to have subscribe in the header or to send to listname-subscribe or to listname+subscribe etc etc |
| 01:08.37 | mayanks43 | !countdown |
| 01:08.37 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 01:09.03 | Wolf_OSGeo | lolfrenz: does it say mailman anywhere? |
| 01:09.04 | mayanks43 | less than one day left and my application submitted :) |
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| 01:09.42 | Wolf_OSGeo | otherwise try asking on the project irc or look at the ideas page or the project home page |
| 01:09.52 | lolfrenz | Wolf_OSGeo, nope, but I already got authorization denied by trying to subscribe in two different ways |
| 01:09.59 | lolfrenz | Wolf_OSGeo, so I assume they mean it |
| 01:10.07 | lolfrenz | it's probably write-only for sending our proposals |
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| 01:10.24 | lolfrenz | because it's the only place where one can send proposals and they wouldn't have made that public |
| 01:10.33 | Wolf_OSGeo | lolfrenz: the proposals are sent via melange not mailinglist |
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| 01:11.10 | jkwood | I know that a couple of our student's emails ended up in my spam folder because of the cyrillic names - that was an interesting experience. |
| 01:11.23 | Wolf_OSGeo | jkwood: :S |
| 01:11.29 | lolfrenz | oh wait, I wasn't logged in |
| 01:11.37 | lolfrenz | so it was sending me to the show info page of the project |
| 01:11.46 | jkwood | Wolf_OSGeo: No worries, I get little spam and got back to them. |
| 01:11.54 | LawG | So I just made my proposal public, but I can't find the link I should be using to access it. Help?? |
| 01:12.04 | jkwood | Good old Google Apps. |
| 01:12.34 | magsol | er, do we *need* to make our submitted gsoc applications public? |
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| 01:12.46 | LawG | magsol: No you don't |
| 01:13.00 | magsol | ok cool, thanks LawG |
| 01:14.24 | mayanks43 | LawG:it maybe helpful for proof reading |
| 01:15.12 | LawG | mayanks43: Absolutely, which is why I have. However, I can't find the link I use for others to access it |
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| 01:15.36 | mayanks43 | i made my proposal proof read by 6 ppl :P |
| 01:15.54 | mayanks43 | hey do this |
| 01:16.00 | mayanks43 | go to list my stuent proposals |
| 01:16.06 | mayanks43 | and click on ur proposal |
| 01:16.07 | dberkholz | cool, we got more apps this year than last year |
| 01:16.12 | dberkholz | ~30% increase so far |
| 01:16.15 | mayanks43 | then click on edit my proposal |
| 01:16.27 | mayanks43 | and then there comes the public view link |
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| 01:16.30 | mayanks43 | click on it |
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| 01:16.35 | mayanks43 | public view thing opens |
| 01:16.41 | mayanks43 | copy the link from address bar |
| 01:16.49 | mayanks43 | and then send to the ppl for proof reading |
| 01:17.12 | LawG | mayanks43: Ah worked perfectly. Thanks buddy |
| 01:17.39 | mayanks43 | np |
| 01:17.41 | mayanks43 | :) |
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| 01:18.34 | ruturaj | !timeline |
| 01:18.34 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 01:18.49 | mayanks43 | try countdown |
| 01:20.23 | mayanks43 | !countdown |
| 01:20.23 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 01:22.43 | Sannya | thanks, I've been looking for this :D |
| 01:23.12 | mayanks43 | np ;) |
| 01:23.22 | LawG | So even if a proposal is made public, for someone to view it they need to be logged into the soc site?? |
| 01:23.41 | mayanks43 | they just need to hav a google account |
| 01:23.42 | Wolf_OSGeo | LawG: so it seems |
| 01:24.06 | LawG | Bah... okay thanks |
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| 01:24.20 | johang | hmm. address field in student signup can only have ASCII characters. |
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| 01:32.13 | safal_soni | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.35 | safal_soni | tansell:sir please help me |
| 01:32.44 | tansell | safal_soni, probably not |
| 01:33.18 | tansell | safal_soni, I recommend editing your proposal in a text editor locally and then pasting it in |
| 01:34.47 | safal_soni | @tansell: if someone's proposal is selected then the mentors would be from the same mentoring organisations or from somewhere else? |
| 01:35.17 | tansell | safal_soni, that sentence doesn't really make any sense to me |
| 01:36.20 | jkwood | safal_soni: Yes, the mentors will be from the organization who chooses you. |
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| 01:37.06 | jkwood | I'm a mentor for FreedroidRPG, so I won't mentor anyone from RTEMS or Plone or Thousand Parsec or anhere else, just FreedroidRPG. Does that help? |
| 01:37.22 | jimbozhang | !next |
| 01:37.22 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 01:37.27 | safal_soni | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.12 | jkwood | Now I'M lost. |
| 01:39.33 | skbohra | safal_soni: then it would be a disaster |
| 01:39.46 | mayanks43 | :-D |
| 01:40.08 | skbohra | no pun intended ! |
| 01:40.51 | skbohra | safal_soni: why you think that they may now know ? |
| 01:40.52 | jkwood | feels like he just entered a giant nonsense contest |
| 01:40.54 | safal_soni | skbohra:how much time is left in deadline |
| 01:41.08 | skbohra | safal_soni: O_o |
| 01:41.23 | safal_soni | btao na yar |
| 01:41.33 | skbohra | jkwood: sometimes , for a change ;) |
| 01:41.43 | mayanks43 | !countdown |
| 01:41.44 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
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| 01:42.03 | felipevieira | !next |
| 01:42.03 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 01:42.14 | felipevieira | !deadline |
| 01:42.14 | socinfo | "deadline" is see !timeline |
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| 01:42.53 | jkwood | skbohra: My entire life is a nonsense contest, perhaps I just need to eat somethin so I can keep up. |
| 01:43.31 | skbohra | jkwood: go out, get some life :) |
| 01:43.41 | skbohra | may be that can help |
| 01:43.49 | mayanks43 | and take light |
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| 01:59.08 | lolfrenz | where can I see who the mentor/project admin is for a certain project? |
| 02:00.01 | wtachi | lolfrenz: you have to ask that mentoring organization, or check the ideas page |
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| 02:00.15 | lolfrenz | ah, ok, thanks |
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| 02:01.29 | Guest64947 | I have proposed a project for pidgin and there was no mentor name on the ideas page |
| 02:02.05 | wtachi | then you need to ask the pidgin developers. It's possible they don't know who the mentor is yet. |
| 02:02.31 | Guest64947 | ok |
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| 02:04.38 | emmanuelp | !countdown |
| 02:04.39 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 02:04.44 | Guest64947 | well i received a few public reviews on my proposal, is it possible that they are the chosen mentors |
| 02:08.48 | Guest64947 | !!! |
| 02:08.49 | socinfo | Error: "!!" is not a valid command. |
| 02:09.03 | wtachi | !hello |
| 02:09.03 | socinfo | "hello" is hello |
| 02:09.12 | wtachi | !:P |
| 02:09.12 | socinfo | Error: ":P" is not a valid command. |
| 02:09.22 | lolfrenz | What are your long-term wishes in terms of job ? |
| 02:09.26 | lolfrenz | what could one possibly answer to that? |
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| 02:09.40 | lolfrenz | not even sure what the question means |
| 02:09.49 | skbohra_ | lolfrenz: become the CEO of the company :D |
| 02:10.04 | lolfrenz | what do they mean by that question? |
| 02:10.15 | wtachi | lolfrenz: would you prefer to work for Red Hat on Linux or some obscure company on 30-year-old COBOL? |
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| 02:10.56 | wtachi | that's my guess |
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| 02:13.07 | Diuturnal | does anyone know where I can find some examples of proposals (like from last year or the year before). Just so I have an idea of how much to write, kind of things I need to mention, etc. |
| 02:15.04 | skbohra_ | Diuturnal: google search ? |
| 02:15.26 | Sgeo_ | decides he'll try GSoC next year |
| 02:15.41 | lolfrenz | when they ask for full time commitment, do they actually mean 8 hours a day? |
| 02:15.49 | danderson | yes. |
| 02:16.07 | danderson | time is not actually metered (well, depending on the project it might be, but it's unlikely) |
| 02:16.12 | lolfrenz | well, that's ridiculous |
| 02:16.17 | danderson | however, you should consider SoC your full time job. |
| 02:16.29 | danderson | feel free to not participate then :-) |
| 02:16.35 | wtachi | it is $5000, after all |
| 02:16.36 | skbohra_ | lolfrenz: orly ? |
| 02:16.40 | jcreigh | lolfrenz: what? It seems perfectly reasonable to me. |
| 02:17.01 | lolfrenz | that's not what's ridiculous xD |
| 02:17.23 | Sgeo_ | isn't sure he trusts himself to do 8hrs/day |
| 02:17.35 | Sgeo_ | And I do have a bit of a committment to another [uncompensated] project |
| 02:17.43 | lolfrenz | but for some of those project there clearly isn't enough work to do 8hrs/day a whole summer |
| 02:17.52 | danderson | full disclosure: I didn't do 8 hours a day back when I was a GSoC student. |
| 02:17.53 | lolfrenz | projects* |
| 02:18.03 | lolfrenz | noone does |
| 02:18.10 | lolfrenz | really, it's summer, students do have lives |
| 02:18.14 | danderson | sometimes I did less, sometimes I got in the zone and did 14 hours straight |
| 02:18.17 | skbohra_ | lolfrenz: :D |
| 02:18.18 | jcreigh | lolfrenz: speak for yourself. :) |
| 02:18.26 | danderson | I even went hiking for 6 days in the mountain away from technology. |
| 02:18.45 | lolfrenz | well, I'm sure a one week holiday in the summer can be understandable for the mentors |
| 02:18.49 | danderson | the important part is, my mentors were aware of this, and my progress was good |
| 02:19.00 | danderson | it |
| 02:19.02 | JSund | danderson: had you planned that when you wrote the proposal, or was it something that came up during the summer? |
| 02:19.10 | danderson | it's pretty much like working at Google in some ways |
| 02:19.20 | danderson | you're evaluated based on what you do |
| 02:19.35 | danderson | not on how many hours you punched |
| 02:20.26 | danderson | JSund: the holiday was actually unplanned at the time of the proposal. |
| 02:21.04 | danderson | but since I was doing well, there wasn't any reason for concern from the mentors |
| 02:21.18 | danderson | I simply put in double effort after to get back on track. Fair deal. |
| 02:22.59 | JSund | sounds reasonable |
| 02:23.26 | Diuturnal | should I write as much as this: http://kyle.mathews2000.com/blog/2008/04/04/drupal-memetracker-module-my-google-summer-of-code-application |
| 02:23.56 | danderson | yes, no, and every answer in between |
| 02:23.58 | danderson | !advice |
| 02:23.58 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 02:25.50 | Sgeo_ | Advice: Start looking into GSoC much more than just a few days in advance of the deadline |
| 02:26.20 | coppro | good advice |
| 02:26.21 | wtachi | I would say start looking into it in February at the latest |
| 02:27.02 | wtachi | if you're familiar with the projects, you can hopefully come up with original ideas |
| 02:27.06 | jeetps | hello |
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| 02:27.30 | jeetps | yestrday was the last date |
| 02:27.42 | jeetps | can we now also send the applications |
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| 02:27.56 | wtachi | !next |
| 02:27.56 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 02:28.11 | jcreigh | jeetps: there are still 16 hours or so until the application deadline. |
| 02:28.51 | mmadia | !countdown |
| 02:28.51 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 02:28.55 | jeetps | jcreig: thanks |
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| 02:30.09 | jeetps | i m very new to this |
| 02:30.20 | jeetps | so plz help me |
| 02:30.28 | jeetps | i have read all the FAQ |
| 02:30.39 | jeetps | but not getting how to apply |
| 02:33.11 | jeetps | also sir plz guide a little to how to ask the organisations |
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| 02:39.09 | damonwang | random question---is there any way to see how the other applications for a mentoring organization? |
| 02:39.36 | wtachi | damonwang: not unless the other students set their applications to public |
| 02:39.46 | wtachi | damonwang: you might need them to post a link, too |
| 02:40.09 | damonwang | wtachi: So, probably not? |
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| 02:40.45 | damonwang | I was hoping to get a rough idea of my chances; I think I made the mistake of applying to two somewhat well-known organizations and I'm a bit worried |
| 02:40.53 | wtachi | damonwang: no. look around, though. |
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| 02:41.00 | MatthewWilkes | !chances |
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| 02:41.07 | MatthewWilkes | hmm, could have sworn that used to be one |
| 02:41.15 | movicont | !help |
| 02:41.15 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
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| 02:41.39 | movicont | !botabuse |
| 02:41.39 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
| 02:41.49 | MatthewWilkes | !odds |
| 02:41.49 | socinfo | "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 02:41.53 | wtachi | damonwang: your chances are better if you come up with an original idea. Writing some patches for the project will also help--some projects even require it. |
| 02:41.57 | MatthewWilkes | damonwang: ^^^ |
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| 02:43.06 | damonwang | Yeah, that was why I was hoping to see the other applications, not just know how many existed. But I guess I've been talking with my mentor over the last week or two and if I haven't convinced them yet there's not much to do in the next sixteen hours. Thanks for the help, guys |
| 02:45.34 | xiainx | wow, I've received a lot of e-mails on the mailling lists for new students starting at about noon today... |
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| 02:47.34 | borja | waves to damonwang |
| 02:47.43 | damonwang | waves back at borja |
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| 02:50.05 | xb95 | !faq |
| 02:50.06 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
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| 02:54.13 | kaitos | anyone willing to give a look over my proposal as it is so far? |
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| 03:00.20 | charles_b | damongwang - I think abstracts of proposals are public and visible. |
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| 03:01.35 | BWaters | !timeline |
| 03:01.35 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 03:10.39 | maheshs | I am not able to register as a student :( |
| 03:11.18 | maheshs | The page doesnt respond |
| 03:11.24 | maheshs | tried many times. |
| 03:11.46 | MatthewWilkes | maheshs: No 500 or anything like that? |
| 03:12.15 | maheshs | Nope, When I submit. |
| 03:12.19 | maheshs | It takes long to submit |
| 03:12.22 | maheshs | and doesnt succeed |
| 03:13.17 | MatthewWilkes | maheshs: Email the melange mailing list at http://groups.google.com/group/melange-soc and keep trying |
| 03:13.23 | maheshs | problem with my connection or heavy load? |
| 03:13.34 | MatthewWilkes | that way if it is a bug that's stopping you getting through they have a record of the problem |
| 03:13.40 | MatthewWilkes | might be either |
| 03:14.12 | maheshs | :( |
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| 03:26.50 | jeetps | how to apply |
| 03:26.58 | Catfish_Man | !faq |
| 03:26.58 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 03:27.01 | Catfish_Man | read the faq |
| 03:27.10 | jeetps | i have been registered as a student |
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| 03:29.29 | jeetps | is it shoud be i doc format |
| 03:29.46 | jeetps | in doc format |
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| 03:49.33 | wtachi | jeetps: no, you use the web interface to write your proposal |
| 03:49.53 | wtachi | you can probably copy the html from your word processor |
| 03:50.30 | jeetps | watchi: plz give an example |
| 03:50.34 | jeetps | plz |
| 03:51.16 | ritek | Hi there guys |
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| 03:51.29 | xiainx | write it in word, copy the text, paste it into the web interface |
| 03:51.29 | ritek | does any one knows if the contact info can be used as the shipping info in the students profile? |
| 03:51.53 | ritek | and, does any one knows if the "Full recipient name" can be empty in case of PO boxes (in the student's profile page) ??? |
| 03:51.54 | wtachi | you have to click "Submit your Student Proposal" on the left, and choose the project. Then you should get a simple editor. |
| 03:52.27 | xiainx | heh, GSoC made it onto my schools student home page! |
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| 03:53.19 | jeetps | wtachi: sir plz provide a link |
| 03:53.49 | jeetps | wtachi: as an example |
| 03:53.55 | Catfish_Man | jeetps: if you can't figure out how to submit your proposal, it's unlikely you'll be able to successfully participate... |
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| 03:56.08 | jeetps | Catfish_Man: but i want to know how to do that so that in future i'll be able to tell other how to ... |
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| 03:56.20 | wtachi | jeetps: unfortunately, there's a lot more involved than just submitting a proposal |
| 03:56.53 | MatthewWilkes | jeetps: You want to know how to submit a proposal so you can tell other people? |
| 03:57.06 | ritek | does any one knows if the "Full recipient name" can be empty in case of PO boxes (in the student's profile page) ??? |
| 03:57.18 | wtachi | you're much more likely to be approved if you contact the mentoring organization beforehand |
| 03:57.51 | wtachi | if you can't figure out how to submit a proposal from what I've said, I don't know how to help you. |
| 03:57.59 | wtachi | goes AFK |
| 03:58.12 | jeetps | wtachi: sir i have registerd as a student now i have to only send the proposal , beside this i know that i have to talk to the mentors too, |
| 03:59.04 | shuffle2 | wtachi: http://bodywords.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/killer-rabbit.jpg |
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| 03:59.24 | ritek | waits someone to answer :P |
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| 03:59.35 | jeetps | MatthewWilkes: i mean there r many like me those who are not able to that i'll help them in now and in future |
| 03:59.54 | skbohra_ | jeetps: that makes sense |
| 03:59.56 | shuffle2 | there is barely a future |
| 03:59.59 | Catfish_Man | jeetps: there's less than 20 hours left... |
| 04:00.02 | shuffle2 | also what skbohra_ said |
| 04:00.08 | xiainx | when you log in, click on "Submit your student proposal" Then type in the org name, and enter your proposal.... |
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| 04:00.43 | skbohra_ | jeetps: where are you from ? |
| 04:01.18 | ritek | xiainx, do you know if the "Full recipient name" can be empty in case of PO boxes (in the student's profile page) ??? |
| 04:01.34 | jeetps | Catfish_Man: sir this much time is enough to do all this activies, |
| 04:01.37 | skbohra_ | ritek: yes it can be ! |
| 04:01.44 | xiainx | ritek: Sorry, I really don't know |
| 04:01.49 | jeetps | skbohra_: India |
| 04:02.05 | skbohra_ | jeetps: ohk :-| |
| 04:02.17 | ritek | skbohra_, thanks!! and do you know if the contact info can be used as the shipping info in the students profile? |
| 04:02.22 | MatthewWilkes | jeetps: A summer of code proposal should be a detailed proposition of how you're going to spend months of time and earn $5000. It should take longer than a few hours. |
| 04:02.48 | skbohra_ | ritek: i fill both |
| 04:03.24 | jeetps | MatthewWilkes: Sir i have all the things done i have only to submit it |
| 04:03.27 | ritek | skbohra_, the thing is, I'm considering the "Contact Info" as my shipping address as I don't live in the US |
| 04:04.29 | ritek | skbohra_, or do I have to put my complete address from the country where I live and not a po box info? |
| 04:04.33 | skbohra_ | jeetps: we really dont know how to help you |
| 04:06.27 | skbohra_ | jeetps: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/list_orgs/google/gsoc2010/skbohra <---------- this is the link in my case |
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| 04:06.52 | skbohra_ | jeetps: hope you can figure out what yours would be ? |
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| 04:07.43 | jeetps | skbohra_: access to this page has been restricted!! this messsage is comming |
| 04:07.58 | skbohra_ | jeetps: as expected ! |
| 04:08.10 | jeetps | sir Y |
| 04:08.34 | jeetps | skbohra_: Y |
| 04:08.49 | skbohra_ | goes back to work |
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| 04:10.49 | al1943 | !extension |
| 04:10.49 | socinfo | "extension" is The deadline WAS NOT extended and WILL NOT be. Not even for you. |
| 04:10.59 | MatthewWilkes | hehe |
| 04:11.05 | mmadia | !countdown |
| 04:11.06 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 04:11.28 | sara1089 | hello, can anyone tell me how much time is expected to be put into each project (per day or per week)? |
| 04:11.30 | al1943 | oops |
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| 04:12.01 | skbohra_ | sara1089: 50 hrs ? |
| 04:12.07 | skbohra_ | per week ! |
| 04:12.12 | mmadia | it varies from org to org, but the general consensus is to treat it as a full time job. |
| 04:12.14 | xiainx | !faq |
| 04:12.15 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 04:12.17 | tontoto | damnit that scared me. that timer thinks it's 4am ^_^ |
| 04:12.36 | xiainx | it's in there sara1089 |
| 04:12.47 | jeetps | plz help me out |
| 04:13.31 | skbohra_ | jeetps: where in India ? |
| 04:14.01 | jeetps | skbohra_: Dehradoon |
| 04:14.04 | skbohra_ | jeetps: if you can come over here, Rajasthan? |
| 04:14.19 | MatthewWilkes | jeetps: No. Thousands of people seem to be able to apply without having issues, there is information online and the site is quite clear. Stop just saying "help" and not trying yourself. |
| 04:14.33 | skbohra_ | jeetps: 12hours journey may be ! |
| 04:15.02 | jeetps | skbohra_: can i have yr contact no. |
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| 04:15.11 | skbohra_ | runs ! |
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| 04:15.32 | MatthewWilkes | hopes jeetps isn't applying for his org |
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| 04:16.27 | skbohra_ | MatthewWilkes: hehe |
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| 04:17.13 | jeetps | sir what i mean is that i am not getting the correct path |
| 04:17.21 | jeetps | the right approach |
| 04:17.57 | xiainx | Step 1) Go to the google summer of code website: www.code.google.com/soc |
| 04:18.06 | xiainx | Step 2) Go to the 2010 website by clicking the link |
| 04:18.12 | xiainx | Step 3) Log in using your student info |
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| 04:18.31 | xiainx | Step 4) Click on the button on the left that says "Submit your Student Proposal" |
| 04:18.43 | xiainx | Step 5) Type in the organization you want to submit for |
| 04:18.55 | xiainx | Step 6) Enter your proposal in the text boxes required |
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| 04:19.12 | MatthewWilkes | Step 6.1) Add "I am incapable of solving tasks on my own and would be a burden for the entire summer if accepted" |
| 04:19.18 | skbohra_ | xiainx: great job! you saved planet earth |
| 04:19.50 | skbohra_ | jeetps: please follow what MatthewWilkes said ;) |
| 04:20.10 | jeetps | hmm |
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| 04:20.57 | _n91_ | hi, how to make proposal submitting app to accept the content just accept the plain text ? |
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| 04:25.05 | jeetps | xiainx: thanks a lot |
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| 04:26.10 | jeetps | xiainx: for step 5 . where to type. imean step 5 and 6 is not clear |
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| 04:26.46 | MatthewWilkes | Seriously, is there a hidden camera in here? |
| 04:26.57 | skbohra_ | MatthewWilkes: zomg! |
| 04:27.06 | xiainx | >.< |
| 04:27.13 | skbohra_ | xiainx: :P |
| 04:27.18 | skbohra_ | xiainx: please elobrate more |
| 04:27.33 | xiainx | see at the top of the window, there is a title that says Name, and below that is a text box, right? |
| 04:27.36 | xiainx | Type it there |
| 04:27.39 | MatthewWilkes | jeetps: I know it's very unlikely, but just in case. If you were thinking of applying for the Plone foundation⦠don't bother. |
| 04:28.11 | Manca | lol :) |
| 04:28.20 | skbohra_ | not in Sahana too, please ! |
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| 04:28.39 | Manca | poor guy |
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| 04:30.04 | jeetps | xiainx: here i have got 5 organisations |
| 04:30.33 | xiainx | so, do them one at a time |
| 04:30.40 | xiainx | start with organization A |
| 04:30.43 | xiainx | type A into the bar |
| 04:30.47 | xiainx | submit the proposal |
| 04:30.52 | xiainx | and then move to organization B |
| 04:31.40 | Manca | jeetps: out of curiosity, which organizations are you trying to apply to? |
| 04:32.01 | jeetps | minix3 |
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| 04:32.38 | Manca | what kind of project do you have in mind? |
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| 04:33.41 | emmanuelp | !countdown |
| 04:33.41 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
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| 04:34.20 | Jids | Hi, I'm a 3rd year IT student in Canada and I only just heard about SOC... I haven't done any major coding before, and I'm wondering if it would be worth registering without targeting an organization... I'm looking to learn more and so I'm also wondering if I would be able to do that as a SOC participant |
| 04:34.43 | coppro | you have to apply to an organization to participate |
| 04:35.04 | Jids | So no point then, eh? |
| 04:35.17 | Catfish_Man | you can participate in open source without gsoc though :) |
| 04:35.44 | Jids | That's true, but it wouldn't count as a job then. =/ |
| 04:35.52 | Catfish_Man | that's true |
| 04:36.13 | Jids | Oh well, thanks. =) |
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| 04:40.21 | jeetps | Manca: i want to make an os which could support multiuser, imean 1 cpu but many keyboard, mouce, |
| 04:41.33 | Manca | :) |
| 04:41.38 | Manca | good luck jeetps |
| 04:41.56 | tontoto | lol wut |
| 04:41.58 | jeetps | thanks |
| 04:42.01 | skbohra_ | Manca: dont run away :) |
| 04:42.34 | tontoto | do you mean with multiple screens too |
| 04:43.07 | coppro | jeetps: Most Unices can |
| 04:43.13 | jeetps | Manca: but plz tell abt step 5 and 6 how to. i mean how to apply now after reaching to this extent and level |
| 04:44.26 | skbohra_ | jeetps: if you can figure that out without asking here again, chances your getting in would increase by 100% |
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| 04:44.37 | skbohra_ | jeetps: this is a hidden test actually |
| 04:44.57 | Manca | hahahaaaaa |
| 04:45.00 | Manca | priceless :) |
| 04:45.10 | skbohra_ | jeetps: your mentors may be sitting in here and watching you |
| 04:45.18 | MatthewWilkes | if they are they won't be his mentor⦠|
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| 04:45.51 | jeetps | skbohara_: ok sir |
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| 04:45.55 | skbohra_ | jeetps: trust me if you get in you will have another test at citibank's website, even tougher than this |
| 04:46.16 | Manca | lol |
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| 04:46.49 | metafedora | Jids: I'm putting in a proposal right now. First time also, but I've been programming for a long time (graduated UofT '02 Comp. Sci.). Thinking of quitting my job this summer anyway. I'm sticking to projects involving 1. things I know and 2. programming languages I'm familiar with. |
| 04:47.18 | LawG | metafedora: Are you a student? |
| 04:47.54 | metafedora | LawG: Yes, I'm in a graduate program right now. |
| 04:48.14 | LawG | Ah, nice |
| 04:48.41 | metafedora | I guess. If you are against sleeping :) |
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| 04:55.18 | MrSmellySocks | !count |
| 04:55.18 | socinfo | Error: "count" is not a valid command. |
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| 04:58.29 | Gangadhar | !countdown |
| 04:58.29 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
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| 05:03.22 | cj | have I missed the deadline for applying yet? |
| 05:03.33 | cj | tomorrow |
| 05:03.33 | Diuturnal | nope. |
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| 05:09.19 | jeetps | finaly i have got page from where i can submit the proposal |
| 05:09.26 | jeetps | THANKS TO ALL |
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| 05:10.34 | xiainx | lol. |
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| 05:10.47 | absabs | !delay |
| 05:10.47 | socinfo | Error: "delay" is not a valid command. |
| 05:10.51 | absabs | !timeline |
| 05:10.51 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 05:18.51 | ihalip | !deadline |
| 05:18.51 | socinfo | "deadline" is see !timeline |
| 05:18.58 | ihalip | !countdown |
| 05:18.58 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
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| 05:21.39 | Guest67825 | hi |
| 05:21.45 | Guest67825 | is it possible to edit proposals? |
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| 05:22.06 | ihalip | Guest67825: yes |
| 05:22.15 | xiainx | when you're logged in, on the left bar click on "List my Student Proposals" |
| 05:22.23 | xiainx | Then choose one, and click (Edit my Proposal) at the top |
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| 05:22.47 | Guest67825 | haha ok... thanks |
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| 05:23.26 | jones | how many hours are left for dead line please tell me? |
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| 05:25.10 | MatthewWilkes | !countdown |
| 05:25.10 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 05:25.11 | ihalip | about 13 hours |
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| 05:25.33 | jones | thanks |
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| 05:38.41 | raphael_ | anyone else is unable to get past the "List of GSoC Organizations you can send your proposal to" page? the "Please wait while list is loading" message never disappears and I can't select any of the organisations |
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| 05:39.30 | jeetps | what to write in content part the personal details and other which is required by the organisation |
| 05:40.13 | Manca | jeetps: You definitely need to read some stuff before asking questions here. |
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| 05:40.51 | Manca | and asking such questions will just lower your chances with organisations |
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| 05:41.09 | Manca | so, my advice is to try researching a little by yourself.. |
| 05:42.40 | jeetps | sir im clearing my doubts only, bcoz as soon my doubts will be cleared as soon i'll move further and start coding complete the project |
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| 05:44.11 | tontoto | are we allowed to work other jobs during gsoc? I forget |
| 05:44.27 | wtachi | tontoto: you're expected to work full-time on gsoc |
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| 05:44.31 | dmj726_n9001 | It's not a good idea. |
| 05:44.32 | wtachi | so, basically, no |
| 05:45.23 | dmj726_n9001 | there is not an explicit rule against it if you can hold two full time jobs, but most can't. |
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| 05:46.17 | jrl__ | anyone know how competitive positions are? |
| 05:47.39 | araujo | it is the jungle |
| 05:47.55 | araujo | no rules no future, bigger fish eats the smaller one |
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| 05:48.35 | gsoccer | is it recommended to make the student proposal public? |
| 05:48.49 | Catfish_Man | sure, why not |
| 05:49.40 | gsoccer | who all can see them if i do that? |
| 05:50.10 | Catfish_Man | anyone who a) has a gsoc login, and b) has a link to it |
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| 05:50.35 | gsoccer | the mentoring organization can see it anyway right? |
| 05:50.39 | Catfish_Man | yup |
| 05:50.54 | gsoccer | alright thank you |
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| 06:04.37 | tontoto | i have a question |
| 06:04.52 | tontoto | at this point should i post a copy of the proposal and ask organization to review it |
| 06:04.55 | tontoto | or just post the proposal |
| 06:07.11 | mmadia | post it, |
| 06:07.15 | mmadia | !edit |
| 06:07.15 | socinfo | "edit" is You can submit your application early and edit it up until the deadline (April 9). Once the deadline passes, you cannot edit it. Instead, leave comments. |
| 06:07.55 | tontoto | thanks |
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| 06:32.46 | charles_b | !deadline |
| 06:32.46 | socinfo | "deadline" is see !timeline |
| 06:32.52 | charles_b | !timeline |
| 06:32.52 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 06:48.36 | epps | !countdown |
| 06:48.36 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
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| 07:01.45 | raghava | i proposed a project for pidgin, but i did not find any mentors? How do i get in touch with them |
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| 07:10.28 | raghava | i have a few questions, can someone help me out |
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| 07:10.53 | gracelaw | what's your question? |
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| 07:11.47 | raghava | hi, i am a student and i proposed a project for pidgin. But i did not find any mentors on the ideas page |
| 07:12.09 | robbyoconnor | raghava: they'll probably assign them after everything is in |
| 07:12.10 | raghava | so who do i get in touch with. just to share my ideas |
| 07:12.15 | robbyoconnor | #pidgin |
| 07:12.18 | robbyoconnor | their mailing list |
| 07:12.51 | robbyoconnor | (come on dude, have some simple research skills) |
| 07:12.51 | raghava | i guess they are busy at the moment. Nobody is willing to reply |
| 07:12.54 | robbyoconnor | are you aware it's 3am on the east coast? |
| 07:12.55 | raghava | on #pidgin |
| 07:13.06 | robbyoconnor | after 3am at that |
| 07:13.08 | dockside | !next |
| 07:13.09 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 07:13.13 | robbyoconnor | which means people are SLEEPING! |
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| 07:13.23 | raghava | ok |
| 07:13.49 | dockside | damn, exams screwed me on this years gsoc =( |
| 07:13.51 | gracelaw | mentors will likely go over your proposal after 4/9 |
| 07:14.09 | gracelaw | if they have questions for you, they can reach out to you |
| 07:14.10 | robbyoconnor | if you wanted feedback, should ahve done it earlier. |
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| 07:14.38 | raghava | is it late to discuss our ideas about the project now |
| 07:14.41 | gracelaw | some students applied to our organization and didn't put ANY contact info... brilliant |
| 07:15.17 | robbyoconnor | raghava: the deadlone is in less than 12 hrs |
| 07:15.25 | robbyoconnor | deadline( |
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| 07:15.45 | robbyoconnor | unless you can whip together a proposal FAST |
| 07:15.54 | kai | raghava: well, get on to it :) |
| 07:16.11 | cheukchuen | never too late. |
| 07:16.12 | raghava | ya, i have already submitted my proposal 4 days back |
| 07:16.12 | arma | gracelaw: that's why we added a question to our proposal framework asking for contact info. lesson learned for next year? :) |
| 07:16.44 | robbyoconnor | gracelaw: not true |
| 07:16.45 | raghava | but i want to try my best to get selected |
| 07:16.49 | robbyoconnor | you have their linkid |
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| 07:16.58 | robbyoconnor | which links to their gmail :) |
| 07:17.03 | gracelaw | true |
| 07:17.08 | raghava | No |
| 07:17.09 | gracelaw | i didn't think of that |
| 07:17.32 | raghava | you mean to say i should just mail them whatever i have to say |
| 07:17.42 | robbyoconnor | raghava: yes |
| 07:17.44 | robbyoconnor | their dev list |
| 07:17.48 | raghava | ok |
| 07:18.10 | gracelaw | raghava: their dev list AND apply through google |
| 07:18.17 | kai | hm |
| 07:18.23 | gracelaw | just talking on the dev list doesn't count |
| 07:18.26 | mkse | Hello All, I have a quick question: I am unsure about the details of hosting code for projects. The FAQ is very vague and only requires that development is done in the open. My question is this usually negotiated between the mentor organization and the student, or does Google have any specific requirements? Also, how are projects typically hosted - is sourceforge the typical choice, or... |
| 07:18.27 | mkse | ...are there any recommendations? |
| 07:18.34 | kai | does anybody happen to know if comments are visible on "public" proposals? |
| 07:18.34 | raghava | i am asking all this beacause i had recently done a very similar project, and i wanted them to know all this |
| 07:18.51 | raghava | it is just that i want to get selected.. |
| 07:19.01 | robbyoconnor | mkse: you'll upload a code sample tarball to a google code project (google will create this dont do it yourself) |
| 07:19.03 | kai | mkse: the faq is very clear, actually |
| 07:19.14 | robbyoconnor | but your code will likely live in the project's VCS system |
| 07:19.25 | kai | mkse: because there's pretty much no requirement from the google side |
| 07:19.36 | kai | mkse: apart for it to be done in the open |
| 07:20.05 | robbyoconnor | all google wants is a code sample as proof work was done lol |
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| 07:20.58 | raghava | i have attached some screenshots from my previous work, i hope it might help |
| 07:21.40 | robbyoconnor | it should |
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| 07:22.25 | robbyoconnor | gracelaw: and if you give melange devs cake, they may even give you the contact info :) |
| 07:22.38 | robbyoconnor | not to say that they take bribes |
| 07:22.42 | robbyoconnor | but who doesn't love cake?! |
| 07:22.44 | robbyoconnor | !cake |
| 07:22.44 | socinfo | "cake" is Cake used to be a lie, until lh got us some. |
| 07:22.54 | robbyoconnor | :'( |
| 07:22.57 | robbyoconnor | I miss lh |
| 07:23.15 | hiddenpearls-awa | how much time is left to close the applications ? |
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| 07:23.37 | robbyoconnor | !countdown |
| 07:23.37 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 07:24.28 | raghava | You can check all our proposals right? |
| 07:24.29 | hiddenpearls | Thanks! |
| 07:24.29 | gracelaw | robbyoconnor: really? :-) thanks for the "sweets" - first time org admin here :-) |
| 07:24.49 | robbyoconnor | what org? |
| 07:24.53 | robbyoconnor | :) |
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| 07:24.59 | robbyoconnor | raghava: only for their org. |
| 07:25.02 | gracelaw | selenium |
| 07:25.07 | robbyoconnor | ah :) |
| 07:25.21 | gracelaw | which one are you with? |
| 07:25.29 | robbyoconnor | Student (hopefully) |
| 07:25.35 | gracelaw | :-) |
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| 07:25.58 | raghava | yes i am a student |
| 07:26.01 | robbyoconnor | Sahana-Py (formally OpenMRS 2 years running; it can't be considered a "hat trick" if you don't do it w/ the same org 3 years in a row :( |
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| 07:26.26 | gracelaw | wow |
| 07:26.27 | robbyoconnor | ok bed time |
| 07:26.32 | gracelaw | good night |
| 07:26.34 | kai | robbyoconnor: of coruse it can |
| 07:26.41 | robbyoconnor | gracelaw: why "wow" |
| 07:27.18 | gracelaw | very experienced |
| 07:27.32 | robbyoconnor | what's interesting: my project in 2008 was never finished and never will be; it was probably a combo. of too ambitious but also i had a mentor that was AWOL |
| 07:27.45 | robbyoconnor | I got passed -- and stuck around to actually finish and release my 2009 project :) |
| 07:27.51 | robbyoconnor | ...after refactoring :) |
| 07:27.59 | raghava | alright robbyoconnor |
| 07:28.05 | raghava | thanks for the time |
| 07:28.29 | robbyoconnor | gracelaw: Also, last summer was the first summer we used melange |
| 07:28.34 | Gangadhar | raghava: HI! |
| 07:28.36 | gracelaw | how does one decide on what students need to do to "pass their midterm"? |
| 07:28.55 | raghava | hi |
| 07:29.00 | robbyoconnor | gracelaw: "Did they work hard?" "Will they stick around afterwards?" |
| 07:29.19 | kai | gracelaw: well, what we usualy do is the following.. |
| 07:29.26 | gracelaw | do we decide on those questions or does google decide? |
| 07:29.31 | Gangadhar | raghava: are u a student? did u applied for GSoC? |
| 07:29.33 | kai | gracelaw: we do |
| 07:29.38 | gracelaw | got it |
| 07:29.38 | tridactyla | kai: comments are not visible to the public |
| 07:29.47 | kai | tridactyla: thanks |
| 07:29.57 | robbyoconnor | kao: what do you do? |
| 07:30.05 | robbyoconnor | kai* |
| 07:30.30 | robbyoconnor | normally, will the student contribute after GSoC is over is a major point that can override any failures to deliver |
| 07:30.30 | gracelaw | i thought melange is not the most user friendly system, i can't imagine what you all had to do before :-) |
| 07:30.40 | thebolt | gracelaw: that is one of the harder parts of being a mentor/admin.. how to evaluate your students.. unfortunately I have no good/consise tips |
| 07:30.46 | robbyoconnor | gracelaw: that wasn't a cakewalk |
| 07:31.01 | gracelaw | i am learning that now |
| 07:31.03 | kai | gracelaw: The mentor judges if the student a) was cooperative, responsive and good to work with |
| 07:32.03 | kai | gracelaw: b) did the student deliver as planned, or at least as good as possible given difficulties the mentor didn't forsee either |
| 07:32.24 | robbyoconnor | http://openmrs.org/Groovy_Forms_Module |
| 07:32.28 | robbyoconnor | that was my 2008 project |
| 07:32.37 | kai | gracelaw: with a) being much more important than b), and there's no way to decide on what robbyoconnor proposed |
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| 07:32.45 | robbyoconnor | http://openmrs.org/wiki/Groovy_Forms_Module |
| 07:33.06 | kai | gracelaw: of course you _want_ to actually select and keep students who'll stick around, but so far nobody came up with good classifiers for those |
| 07:33.20 | gracelaw | what if the student did well in a) and b) but turned in bad codes / never made it work? |
| 07:33.24 | robbyoconnor | kai: My mentor knew i'd stick around |
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| 07:33.34 | gracelaw | do they fail the "final"? |
| 07:33.41 | robbyoconnor | grace: they can |
| 07:33.46 | robbyoconnor | gracelaw * |
| 07:33.55 | kai | robbyoconnor: if I had a nickel for every time I heard that promise from a student who didn't, I'd have a couple of dollars by now |
| 07:33.56 | gracelaw | i get you :-) |
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| 07:34.05 | gracelaw | lol |
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| 07:34.14 | robbyoconnor | kai: he took a gamble on me |
| 07:34.17 | robbyoconnor | and it paid off :) |
| 07:34.40 | kai | gracelaw: actually we try to fail early |
| 07:34.58 | robbyoconnor | in 2009 -- i got this talk from one of the guys from OpenMRS -- he was like "finish this time.. and dont disappoint" |
| 07:34.59 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 07:35.21 | robbyoconnor | I wanna see 100% success rate |
| 07:35.25 | kai | gracelaw: in our experience, students who barely pass mid-term tend to _not_ get better in the second half |
| 07:35.29 | gracelaw | what if the student did well in a) and b), but the project is not complete - (ie. some code check-in but not everyone were done) would you pass them or fail them? |
| 07:36.00 | kai | gracelaw: having code committed to the project's main repository is no requirement, and I wouldn't really handle it as one |
| 07:36.12 | kai | gracelaw: depends a bit on your project though |
| 07:36.27 | kai | gracelaw: for my first gsoc, it took me a couple of months to get my code committed |
| 07:36.33 | gracelaw | so, it's really our judgement then |
| 07:36.49 | robbyoconnor | kai: how did your mentor evaluate you? |
| 07:37.25 | kai | robbyoconnor: Wine was in code-freeze when my code was done, nothing I could do about it |
| 07:37.51 | robbyoconnor | you should have been working in a branch... |
| 07:37.57 | kai | that was back in the days when it still used CVS |
| 07:38.07 | robbyoconnor | CVS had branches... |
| 07:38.11 | kai | show me how to branch that without admin access to the server then |
| 07:38.26 | robbyoconnor | they should have set it up... |
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| 07:39.05 | kai | gracelaw: ok, so "actually have it working 100%" is not as much of a requirement for us |
| 07:39.29 | gracelaw | got it |
| 07:39.49 | robbyoconnor | oh and in 2008 -- towards the home stretch my uncle died |
| 07:39.55 | hiddenpearls | can we see how many applications submitted to an organization ? |
| 07:39.56 | robbyoconnor | I lost the entire last week |
| 07:39.59 | robbyoconnor | :/ |
| 07:40.30 | kai | hiddenpearls: you can ask the mentors |
| 07:40.31 | gracelaw | thanks for the tips. kai and robbyoconner :-) |
| 07:40.48 | robbyoconnor | gracelaw: my advice comes from my experience as a student not as a mentor |
| 07:41.04 | robbyoconnor | hang around here for 3 years and you'll find you figure out things :) |
| 07:41.12 | kai | gracelaw: if the student repeatedly turns in bad code, though, I'd probably count that as "not cooperative", and fail the student though |
| 07:41.18 | gracelaw | are you a student this year as well? |
| 07:41.30 | hiddenpearls | I am student |
| 07:42.08 | hiddenpearls | this is my last year being a student and working for Google is my dream |
| 07:42.21 | gracelaw | hiddenpearls: which project are you on? |
| 07:42.29 | robbyoconnor | gracelaw: i wanna be :) |
| 07:42.41 | gracelaw | lol |
| 07:42.50 | hiddenpearls | I am applying for phpmyadmin |
| 07:42.52 | hiddenpearls | and statusnet |
| 07:42.57 | robbyoconnor | kai: if they turn in bad code repeatedly, there's no home |
| 07:43.06 | robbyoconnor | er hope |
| 07:43.36 | hiddenpearls | gracelaw, I am post graduate student |
| 07:43.38 | kai | gracelaw: however, I never had to fail a student for bad code being turned in |
| 07:44.00 | hiddenpearls | and have 3 years experience in programming |
| 07:44.09 | robbyoconnor | I *DID* write code that made me wince |
| 07:44.26 | robbyoconnor | but it was to curb an error that occured under a select circumstance |
| 07:45.10 | kai | gracelaw: sone one last bit of mid-term advice. if you have a student who didn't communicate for a while, then shortly before mid-term comes up with a "the cat ate my source code" excuse and some code and lots of promises to do better after the mid-term, fail the student |
| 07:45.24 | gracelaw | yeah, i would fail a student if they can't turn in code in the quality that can be merged. but i will probably pass him/her during mid-term IF they are good to work with, do stuff as planned, try hard, listen, try to improve.... etc. |
| 07:45.56 | gracelaw | got it kai |
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| 07:46.49 | gracelaw | for Se - we ask that our mentors set regular weekly meeting with the student where they are supposed to report on progress, plan for next week, ask questions, etc. |
| 07:47.14 | gracelaw | hopefully, they won't have the "cat ate my source code" excuse at the end |
| 07:47.36 | kai | gracelaw: do you provide the students with a place to check in their source code? |
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| 07:48.17 | gracelaw | great question, I should bring that up with the mentor |
| 07:48.21 | gracelaw | what do you suggest? |
| 07:48.30 | kai | gracelaw: at WorldForge we provide our students with a git repo, at Wine and Samba we ask them to use one of the available git hosting sites |
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| 07:48.47 | kai | gracelaw: we only do code review for code in the public repo |
| 07:48.50 | gracelaw | make sense |
| 07:48.58 | kai | that way no cat will eat that source code |
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| 07:49.29 | kai | and if the student didn't check in code for a week, you'll have a good question to ask at the weekly meeting ;) |
| 07:50.22 | gracelaw | yeap :-) |
| 07:50.38 | gracelaw | at our office, we have a big cat running around :-) |
| 07:50.41 | gracelaw | http://adamchristian.com/archives/329 |
| 07:51.10 | mlankhorst | ain't that dangerous? |
| 07:51.35 | gracelaw | we will see if it eats and code :-) |
| 07:51.46 | xb95 | !countdown |
| 07:51.46 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 07:52.10 | mlankhorst | ow those |
| 07:52.16 | gracelaw | we have a one strike and the cat is out policy, he is doing well so far. |
| 07:53.02 | mlankhorst | pretty sure one person tried to import it to holland and failed :\ |
| 07:54.20 | _Samo | I have a question, is there a possibility for organisations to know whether an student is applying for other orgs, and to read those applications? |
| 07:54.20 | gracelaw | funny thing is, Adam's landlord won't allow dogs, but cat is fine, so he got the biggest cat he could legally get in California. |
| 07:54.29 | ihalip | _Samo: of course |
| 07:54.31 | mlankhorst | haha |
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| 07:54.54 | _Samo | ihalip, how? |
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| 07:55.53 | robbyoconnor | gracelaw: LOL |
| 07:55.58 | robbyoconnor | I like small cats |
| 07:56.00 | robbyoconnor | kittens++ |
| 07:56.06 | robbyoconnor | damn them for growing up :( |
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| 07:56.33 | mlankhorst | i either want a very playful cat or a dog |
| 07:56.37 | ankitg | robbyoconnor: and damn you for not! |
| 07:56.43 | ihalip | _Samo: all mentors of that org have access to the list of submitted proposals |
| 07:56.55 | robbyoconnor | ankitg: you're expecting miracles now |
| 07:57.18 | ankitg | robbyoconnor: I don't believe in miracles ... |
| 07:57.25 | ankitg | robbyoconnor: I rely on them! |
| 07:57.35 | _Samo | ihalip, have you understood my question actually |
| 07:57.38 | gracelaw | they should breed a cat that's the size of a kitten |
| 07:57.51 | mlankhorst | youd step on them and they die |
| 07:58.04 | gracelaw | eww |
| 07:58.04 | mlankhorst | even on mature cats you sometimes hit their tail ;P |
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| 07:58.25 | ww_ | i hope you don't own any pets |
| 07:58.31 | ihalip | er... not sure now |
| 07:58.33 | robbyoconnor | I once almost sat on my aunt's cat |
| 07:58.37 | ankitg | ww_: not any more! |
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| 07:59.03 | mlankhorst | same ;P they have a habit of getting in the way |
| 07:59.05 | _Samo | my question is whether we are able to know if an student applying for our organisation is applying to other organisations as well, and if we can read their proposals to those other organisations |
| 07:59.14 | robbyoconnor | _Samo: no |
| 07:59.40 | robbyoconnor | there is no way -- but conflicts will be resolved later |
| 07:59.48 | _Samo | we found some last minutes applications from very talented students that have not interacted with us enough and don't follow the template |
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| 08:00.11 | _Samo | We suspect we are being used as a last resort |
| 08:00.21 | mlankhorst | but I do own a cat, its old now though, but whenever im at my parents house I cant get it out of my room and it keeps trying to sit on my lap |
| 08:00.31 | robbyoconnor | _Samo: so? |
| 08:00.35 | robbyoconnor | is that a bad thing? |
| 08:00.42 | robbyoconnor | if they're good -- they';re fgfood |
| 08:01.09 | _Samo | yes if there are other students less talented but they have interacted with us and follow the template |
| 08:01.26 | mlankhorst | youre free to set your own criteria ;) |
| 08:01.26 | _Samo | that's why |
| 08:01.27 | |Kev| | And if they don't talk to you, and don't answer the questions on the template, there's a fair chance they're not going to interact well during gsoc. |
| 08:01.44 | _Samo | yes but his curriculum rocks |
| 08:01.56 | robbyoconnor | i followed the template to a T |
| 08:02.05 | |Kev| | So does mine. It'd still be bad to have me as a student for your org :) |
| 08:02.21 | robbyoconnor | 90 * 8 calories |
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| 08:02.37 | mlankhorst | and people cant lie about curriculum :> grades arent everything |
| 08:02.49 | _Samo | for instance that last minute student he is actually in the course of the teacher who wrote the paper he is applying to |
| 08:02.50 | robbyoconnor | my grades are shit |
| 08:03.10 | |Kev| | _Samo: and? |
| 08:03.14 | _Samo | so we have a dilema |
| 08:03.15 | robbyoconnor | what org? |
| 08:03.25 | _Samo | www.yafaray.org |
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| 08:04.50 | robbyoconnor | whats your dillema? |
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| 08:05.49 | charles_b | !countdown |
| 08:05.49 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 08:06.25 | _Samo | you have two students |
| 08:06.48 | robbyoconnor | ok.. i feel sick |
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| 08:06.57 | _Samo | one student has interacted with your org from the beginning, he follows the template |
| 08:07.00 | robbyoconnor | I just inhaled 8 rice crispies treats |
| 08:07.05 | robbyoconnor | if he's good |
| 08:07.07 | robbyoconnor | take him |
| 08:07.40 | robbyoconnor | anyways night |
| 08:08.04 | _Samo | the other is probably much more prepared to tackle with that idea, but he apply in the last minute and he does not follow the template |
| 08:08.25 | _Samo | what would you do |
| 08:08.27 | |Kev| | Which do you think is more likely to be an asset to your org? |
| 08:08.45 | mlankhorst | _Samo: he can still edit his aply, you can ask him to reformat it to the template |
| 08:08.54 | mlankhorst | and see what happens |
| 08:09.13 | gracelaw | _Samo: why not pick up the phone and call the "rock star" candidate and see if he is real? you have a couple of days to decide who your top dog is |
| 08:10.29 | gracelaw | have some interactions |
| 08:11.13 | gracelaw | my guess is, guy # 2 also applied to another organization and has most of his proposal written according to their format |
| 08:11.19 | _Samo | well I will consider all these suggestions thank you |
| 08:11.38 | _Samo | gracelaw yes that's my guess as well |
| 08:11.41 | mlankhorst | and you still have a week to find out if he interacts with the community or not ;) |
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| 08:12.27 | mlankhorst | maybe he didn't get the subtle hint for it so you could remind him |
| 08:15.00 | charles_b | are we able to communicate with mentoring organizations that we have applied |
| 08:15.07 | charles_b | to during the review process? |
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| 08:19.06 | swa_k | hi group |
| 08:19.46 | swa_k | anyone applying for berkman??? |
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| 08:20.12 | ankitg | swa_k: considering it ... |
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| 08:21.32 | swa | hi |
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| 08:22.49 | vyas021 | hi every one here from beagleboard community ? |
| 08:23.11 | vyas021 | need instant help |
| 08:24.04 | |Kev| | !anyone |
| 08:24.04 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 08:26.21 | swa_k | berkamn anyone??? |
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| 08:29.12 | vyas021 | hi Everyone |
| 08:29.54 | vyas021 | please provide feedback on my proposal ! |
| 08:29.56 | vyas021 | http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard-gsoc/browse_thread/thread/9504530a9bcb1d0b# |
| 08:30.35 | kai | vyas021: try #beagle ? |
| 08:31.09 | vyas021 | kai : everybody's sleepin out there |
| 08:31.13 | vyas021 | :) |
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| 08:32.49 | mlankhorst | er.. |
| 08:32.55 | mlankhorst | well this isn't the right channel either |
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| 08:39.33 | kai | vyas021: lots of the beagle folks are based in texas, I think |
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| 09:01.27 | Ademan | is it acceptable to post my gsoc proposal here hoping to get it read and reviewed? |
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| 09:03.13 | Ademan | my GSoC proposal is at http://codespeak.net/~dan/gsoc/micronumpy.html if anyone is inclined to read it and give constructive criticism, I'd be quite grateful |
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| 09:06.27 | erisco | if a mentor asked me questions about my proposal, should I update my proposal as well leaving a comment? |
| 09:06.56 | Ademan | erisco: no idea... lol |
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| 09:07.25 | erisco | well, I just left a comment, but there seems to be some ritual Google enforces to how the proposals must be evaluated |
| 09:07.39 | erisco | and my concern is that the comments don't count |
| 09:07.49 | BHSPitMonkey | Ademan: you still have a FIXME in there :) |
| 09:08.03 | thebolt | no, there are not any specifications from google on how to evaluate a proposal.. it is fully up to the organisations |
| 09:08.07 | Ademan | BHSPitMonkey: !!! :-( and thanks for reading :-) |
| 09:08.08 | |Kev| | erisco: google don't enforce how to evaluate at all. |
| 09:08.10 | erisco | but editing my proposal would not be useful at all if the comments are valid |
| 09:08.29 | |Kev| | I'd expect students to update their proposal *and* leave a comment. |
| 09:08.38 | aghisla | erisco: edit the proposal until you can - you will have time to leave comments afterwards. |
| 09:08.49 | erisco | |Kev|, well, I was originally going to put my proposal on a web site so I could have free reign on the formatting. That evidently is not allowed, probably because one could edit past the deadline |
| 09:09.05 | aghisla | well edits have to improve the proposal, of course :) |
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| 09:12.01 | gracelaw | erisco: you can edit your proposal after the deadline, if you need questions answered, hang out at their IRC or ask a question to the mailing list or hunt down your mentor's email... whatever that's appropriate AND not piss people off |
| 09:12.04 | Ademan | erisco: I'm still hoping there's a reStructuredText->google markup converter |
| 09:12.36 | erisco | thanks for all the suggestions and help |
| 09:12.42 | gracelaw | I have a student submit a link to their proposal, not an issue for us |
| 09:13.12 | erisco | well, I'm out to make my potential mentor happy ;) |
| 09:13.37 | erisco | gracelaw, I tend to chat a lot, which annoys some people, heh :P |
| 09:13.45 | BHSPitMonkey | are any of the Facebook mentors or reps present? |
| 09:14.03 | erisco | especially when I've been up forever and my mental capacity is gone |
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| 09:14.44 | gracelaw | you should go to sleep then, seriously. i'd personally much prefer students that are to the point |
| 09:14.59 | gracelaw | :-) |
| 09:15.28 | Ademan | *is* there a good way to convert reStructuredText to a format convenient for GSoC |
| 09:15.34 | erisco | trying to impress is such a merciless, cutthroat business |
| 09:15.52 | erisco | hardly the encouraging or human feeling one would desire |
| 09:16.31 | kai | hm? |
| 09:16.44 | kai | why is it cutthroat? |
| 09:17.03 | erisco | its a competition where the losers have no benefit |
| 09:17.22 | x` | yes they do ... |
| 09:17.22 | Ademan | having to cut the throats of other students to get a GSoC slot... |
| 09:17.23 | Ademan | lol |
| 09:17.31 | erisco | and when it involves what ones career is for their summer, those are pretty big plans to have upset |
| 09:17.51 | kai | shrugs |
| 09:18.09 | kai | you can always get involved in open source without gsoc |
| 09:18.15 | BHSPitMonkey | Is there a compelling reason for or against checking the "Make public" box on the proposal submission form? |
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| 09:18.24 | erisco | x`, well, there are the scraps leftover, but its pretty dismal |
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| 09:18.42 | kai | generation of coders did that before GSoC came around |
| 09:18.44 | Ademan | what's with the 11:00 am PST due date? last I checked google was from here, and 11:00 am is pretty arbitrary... |
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| 09:19.01 | erisco | kai, not nearly as much as I'd like. Its not the money I care about, its the fact that earning money allows me to do it more |
| 09:19.23 | erisco | I'd do it all for free, believe me :P |
| 09:19.31 | kai | Ademan: it's basically "Today, but with enough time to fix things up manually if melange croaks" |
| 09:19.54 | kai | Ademan: 19:00 UTC is pretty well-established for GSoC deadlines |
| 09:20.07 | erisco | 2PM EST if anyone cares to know |
| 09:20.24 | Ademan | kai: oh... well I better submit soon then... unfortunately my mentor is sleeping... |
| 09:20.37 | kai | Ademan: so? |
| 09:20.45 | kai | you hopefully talked to your mentor before now |
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| 09:21.35 | Ademan | kai: since december, but he's still not happy... |
| 09:21.54 | Ademan | with the proposal itself anyways |
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| 09:23.45 | erisco | Ademan, best of luck. I based the idea of my proposal off of examples of other real proposals. It gave me an idea of what the mentors are expecting. Then I twisted it up a bit and went a bit beyond. That's my advice ;) |
| 09:24.22 | Ademan | haha thanks erisco |
| 09:24.24 | erisco | Ademan, also my mentor was very kind to let me know what the big issues are he'd like to see addressed in the proposal |
| 09:24.31 | epps | !timeline |
| 09:24.32 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 09:25.00 | Waren | yo |
| 09:25.51 | Ademan | hi |
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| 09:27.27 | epps | Ademan, you forgot July |
| 09:27.58 | mkse | ^^ |
| 09:28.14 | Ademan | epps: it doesn't exist :-p |
| 09:28.30 | nirmal_ | Hi all, when pressing "submit" after editing a proposal the borders of the table goes to "0", so that the table border will not be visible. Any other way to make the table borders visible? |
| 09:28.33 | Ademan | and good, that gives me time to include some changes my mentor had, haha |
| 09:28.56 | epps | doesn't exist ? |
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| 09:29.43 | epps | Week 6 (June 28 - August 4) |
| 09:31.09 | erisco | nirmal_, and my image borders vanished too. I'd suspect its a bug, but don't stop at my presumption |
| 09:31.24 | Ademan | epps: I know I'm just kidding, thank you for catching that! |
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| 09:31.57 | nirmal_ | @erisco ya..me too suspected |
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| 09:32.48 | erisco | Good luck all fellow applicants. Its a crazy 5:30am right now and I am drastically behind on sleep so I'll catch you all after the deadline. Night! |
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| 09:33.36 | nirmal_ | @erisco wish you da same |
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| 09:43.13 | Csubi | hey guise |
| 09:43.23 | Csubi | what's the deadline for student application forms to be sent? |
| 09:44.15 | Dark_Shikari | soon |
| 09:44.18 | nirmal_ | @subi April 9th 19:00 UTC |
| 09:44.41 | Ivanovic | in short: submit it ASAP and edit afterwards if you still have changes |
| 09:45.00 | Ivanovic | since yeah, your internetconnection might die, google servers might have a problem or *whatever* |
| 09:45.16 | Ivanovic | and there is one note for those hoping for an extension: |
| 09:45.19 | Ivanovic | !extension |
| 09:45.19 | socinfo | "extension" is The deadline WAS NOT extended and WILL NOT be. Not even for you. |
| 09:45.54 | Chainsaw | That and some organisations frown on last-minute submissions. |
| 09:46.50 | nirmal_ | Hi all, when pressing "submit" after editing a proposal the borders of the table goes to "0", so that the table border will not be visible. Any other way to make the table borders visible? I suspect this is a bug. |
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| 09:51.41 | firc | hi guys. |
| 09:52.13 | Ademan | hi firc |
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| 09:52.43 | firc | what happens in case a student is selected for more than one project? There is conflict resolution right? Does the student have a say in this? I mean, can he give preferrence to what project he needs? |
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| 09:54.21 | BHSPitMonkey | firc: expecting to be fought over? :) |
| 09:54.37 | Csubi | thanks NickLee |
| 09:54.39 | firc | BHSPitMonkey, nope. but wondering how this works |
| 09:54.40 | Csubi | nirmal_* |
| 09:54.42 | Upthorn | firc: The organizations have first say. If one organization has good proposals that it could not accept due to the student limit, it is likely that the student that was accepted for two will be taken by the other one regardless of his/her own preference. |
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| 09:55.24 | nirmal_ | @Csubi ya |
| 09:55.26 | Upthorn | If both do, or neither do, then it is possible that the student will get to choose |
| 09:56.08 | firc | I see |
| 09:56.10 | Upthorn | but if one of the accepted proposals is really important to its org, and the other is not... it is likely that the student will not get to choose |
| 09:56.30 | Upthorn | So: do not apply for a project that you are not interested in. |
| 09:56.43 | firc | yep. I know ;) |
| 09:56.58 | firc | thank you! |
| 09:56.58 | Upthorn | And the limit of 20 applications isn't a goal to shoot for, but a sanity limit. |
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| 09:57.12 | firc | hehe, I wonder if anyone does apply to 20 orgs |
| 09:57.21 | Upthorn | ie: if you are wanting to make more than 20 applications, you are doing it wrong. |
| 09:57.31 | Upthorn | heh. |
| 09:57.34 | Chainsaw | firc: We had several students that did just that. |
| 09:57.44 | firc | wow? 20 orgs? |
| 09:57.51 | Chainsaw | firc: Barely read the ideas page at all, did not complete the code challenge... we dismissed them. |
| 09:57.52 | Upthorn | Last year I only made one application, and I was accepted |
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| 09:58.10 | Ivanovic | in fact even 5 applications would already be a sanity limit |
| 09:58.11 | firc | What did their application consist of ? 1-2 liners? |
| 09:58.12 | Chainsaw | Upthorn: Quality over quantity any day, yes. |
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| 09:58.44 | Upthorn | this year again I have made only one application, and have been receiving very positive indications from the org |
| 09:58.45 | firc | I'm applying for 2 projects only |
| 09:58.59 | Ivanovic | since a good application, that has a chance to be accepted requires time |
| 09:59.12 | Chainsaw | firc: Pretty much, yeah. |
| 09:59.12 | Chainsaw | firc: Some read more like a CV cover letter. |
| 09:59.21 | firc | heh. |
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| 09:59.23 | Ivanovic | so i'd say that it is basically impossible to get more than 3 reasonable applications with a chance to be accepted done |
| 09:59.25 | Chainsaw | firc: And really only had a single sentence containing our org name that was at all relevant. |
| 09:59.34 | Chainsaw | Ivanovic: I agree with that. |
| 09:59.40 | firc | No wonder. It took me too long to make 1 good application. can't imagine making 20 :p |
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| 10:00.48 | sudiptamondal | the time line maentioned on the gsoc timeline page is according to GMT isnt it?? |
| 10:01.07 | firc | UTC, yeah |
| 10:01.24 | Ivanovic | it means "a little less than 9 hours left" |
| 10:01.26 | firc | sudarshan85, so that means 12:30 IST |
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| 10:02.58 | swa_k | hey anyone applying for berkman?? |
| 10:03.58 | nirmal_ | @firc exactly |
| 10:04.01 | sudiptamondal | yes 12:30 IST thank you.. |
| 10:04.47 | Upthorn | IST? |
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| 10:04.49 | firc | nirmal_, you can drop the "@" just use tab! |
| 10:04.56 | firc | Upthorn, Indian standard time |
| 10:05.06 | Upthorn | Ah. |
| 10:05.07 | firc | GMT+5:30 |
| 10:05.16 | nirmal_ | firc: thanks !! |
| 10:05.23 | firc | np |
| 10:05.24 | Upthorn | I thought everybody but the US used 24 hour time |
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| 10:05.34 | Upthorn | which would make that 00:30 |
| 10:05.59 | firc | yeah we use either. 12:30AM. same thing |
| 10:06.55 | gokr | If anyone wants to do a last minute push - there are two projects at http://gsoc2010.esug.org/projects?view=projectTable that have no interested students (project 4 & 30). |
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| 10:07.27 | Upthorn | I am in GMT -7 and was wondering what time zone is 30 minutes ahead of me. |
| 10:07.42 | firc | oh heh. |
| 10:08.05 | sudiptamondal | if its gmt -7 then you have only 1 and a half hr left for student deadlines |
| 10:08.38 | Upthorn | deadline is 12:00 in GMT -7 |
| 10:08.43 | bram_atmire | one hour and a half left now ? |
| 10:08.46 | Upthorn | 19:00 in GMT |
| 10:08.53 | firc | sudiptamondal, no.. |
| 10:08.53 | Upthorn | just under 9 hours left. |
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| 10:09.36 | swa_k | hey how do we find out about the number of applicants for each project?? |
| 10:09.42 | BHSPitMonkey | I didn't know smalltalk still had an active community |
| 10:10.03 | Upthorn | swa_k: you ask your org. |
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| 10:10.45 | gokr | BHSPitMonkey: Quite active. |
| 10:10.51 | Ivanovic | swa_k: as student: you don't |
| 10:11.13 | Ivanovic | swa_k: as mentor: you have a look at the submitted proposals and shall see which ones are which projects |
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| 10:12.07 | gokr | BHSPitMonkey: Feel free to drop by on #squeak if anyone wants to know more. I am one of the co-mentors btw. |
| 10:12.22 | swa_k | @ivanovic thank you |
| 10:12.51 | swa_k | hey what sort of competetion should we expect for berkman?? |
| 10:12.57 | BHSPitMonkey | gokr: would do, but I'm about to retire to bed |
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| 10:19.20 | Ademan | man... this is getting nerve wracking... need to talk to my mentor for some last minute changes and he's asleep :-/ |
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| 10:21.13 | swa_k | i dont hav any idea who might mentor might be :) |
| 10:23.59 | Ademan | well, I've appointed him my mentor, no idea if he'll reciprocate when the time comes... unless I make these changes :-p |
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| 10:26.42 | BHSPitMonkey | Ademan: don't worry, I submitted my application without any knowledge of my project's mentors... |
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| 10:32.28 | Kosma | !countdown |
| 10:32.29 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 10:34.05 | Ademan | IsoLinCHiP: !heart-attack |
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| 10:34.23 | Ademan | er |
| 10:34.25 | Ademan | !heart-attack |
| 10:34.25 | socinfo | Error: "heart-attack" is not a valid command. |
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| 10:39.19 | hehe | !extension |
| 10:39.19 | socinfo | "extension" is The deadline WAS NOT extended and WILL NOT be. Not even for you. |
| 10:39.26 | hehe | damn |
| 10:40.16 | Kosma | hehe: wicked nickname |
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| 10:42.36 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
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| 10:56.15 | swa_k | anyone applying for berkman? |
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| 10:59.33 | bram_atmire | If you're still looking for an interesting, web development related project to submit to, make sure to check out Duraspace |
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| 11:03.43 | Wolf_OSGeo | !timer |
| 11:03.44 | socinfo | Error: "timer" is not a valid command. |
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| 11:03.52 | Wolf_OSGeo | !countdown |
| 11:03.52 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 11:04.20 | nirmal_ | how can one ensure that his proposal is submitted to GSoC 2010?? I know that you can see it in you session, but is there any other way to get confirmed? |
| 11:05.27 | SukhE | What other type of confirmation are you looking for? If it is being displayed in "List my Student Proposals", that is all. |
| 11:06.40 | nirmal_ | ok...if it so !! |
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| 11:07.04 | Wolf_OSGeo | nirmal_: you can always ask your mentoring org if they have received it ;) |
| 11:07.11 | kusum | nirmal_: check your "List my student proposals " to view all the proposals you made |
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| 11:07.34 | nirmal_ | Wolf_OSGeo: thanks !! I'll ask my mentor |
| 11:07.48 | firc | So how many students does an org /retain/ after gsoc, on an average? |
| 11:08.45 | nirmal_ | kusum: thanks, it is in there !! but I like if google sent a mail of confirmation of a proposal, may be next time |
| 11:08.52 | fweisbec | firc: you mean what is the ratio of accepted proposals? |
| 11:09.04 | firc | You know, during gsoc there is a flood of new faces on IRC which gradually disappear. I wonder how many students do become regular commiters to the project. |
| 11:09.16 | kusum | nirmal_: yeah .. all the best |
| 11:09.27 | firc | fweisbec, nope, I meant how many students keep contributing even after soc. |
| 11:09.42 | fweisbec | firc: ah |
| 11:09.53 | jdk2588 | +1 firc |
| 11:09.55 | nirmal_ | kusum: thanks !! wish you the same !! |
| 11:10.20 | kusum | ty |
| 11:10.21 | Wolf_OSGeo | firc: it varries a lot by project |
| 11:10.37 | fweisbec | firc: that can be only hard to quantify |
| 11:10.45 | Wolf_OSGeo | and the number of students etc |
| 11:11.01 | nirmal_ | firc: many students may remain if they want to apply for that particular org. next time as well :P |
| 11:11.44 | firc | well, the purpose of soc was to get student into open source. So it'd only be fair if students took real interest in what they're doing over summer. |
| 11:11.50 | fweisbec | there are people who are commiters already in the project they apply for |
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| 11:14.22 | svuorela | win 41 |
| 11:14.24 | svuorela | fail |
| 11:14.28 | BarryCarlyon | ! |
| 11:14.36 | Migi32 | if I post my application, am I bound to anything yet (legally or not legally)? |
| 11:14.48 | Migi32 | also, hi everyone |
| 11:15.13 | BarryCarlyon | Migi32: only the terms and conditions of the website, and the Student Agreement. |
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| 11:16.13 | loufoque_ | that durinbot almost passed the turing test |
| 11:16.49 | |Kev| | Migi32: but please don't apply if you're not intending taking part. |
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| 11:19.26 | absabs | !delay |
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| 11:19.49 | Zeiris | !timeleft |
| 11:19.49 | socinfo | Error: "timeleft" is not a valid command. |
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| 11:20.19 | nirmal_ | it's !countdown |
| 11:20.29 | nirmal_ | !countdown |
| 11:20.30 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 11:20.57 | fweisbec | are student advised against starting the project before the actual soc? |
| 11:21.11 | fweisbec | before end may or so |
| 11:21.16 | Wolf_OSGeo | anything you do before won't be counted |
| 11:21.21 | |Kev| | fweisbec: technically only what you code during the coding period shouldn't count. |
| 11:21.43 | Wolf_OSGeo | unless you have a deal woth your mentor |
| 11:21.46 | |Kev| | However I'd strongly advise that you pick some other tasks from the issue tracker for the org and start coding on those for familiarity, if you're accepted (or if you're not :)) |
| 11:22.11 | Wolf_OSGeo | like if you have an exam and want to work some reading time ahead of time |
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| 11:22.58 | fweisbec | the problem is that I'm already a commiter in this org, and it would be a pity I refrain from adding new features because of the timeline, although it would be the logical way to do so |
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| 11:24.07 | fweisbec | nevermind, I'll focus on other things then :) |
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| 11:26.00 | thebolt | hi Wolf_OSGeo :) |
| 11:26.13 | Wolf_OSGeo | hey thebolt :) |
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| 11:28.05 | ebo | 7.53 hours left ;-) |
| 11:29.09 | aghisla | D: |
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| 11:29.41 | ebo | that or 8-0 |
| 11:31.21 | ebo | Wolf_OSGeo: you mentoned that "anything you do before won't be counted". why? all three applications are things I am interested in and I'm interested in doing regardless of whether I am accepted. |
| 11:31.41 | ebo | I mean all three of my applications. |
| 11:31.57 | fweisbec | ebo: won't be counted for gsoc |
| 11:32.13 | fweisbec | ebo: of course for your personal experience it counts |
| 11:32.18 | Wolf_OSGeo | ebo, well that's what I read on some list, that officially anything done outside of the coding period doesn't count |
| 11:32.35 | ajuonline | to add, legally it wont be counted. yo ucant include the source code and later provide it to google saying this is your gsoc work. |
| 11:33.29 | Wolf_OSGeo | ebo: what ajuonline said :) |
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| 11:33.53 | Wolf_OSGeo | so now you'll have to focus on fixing bugs, until gsoc ;) |
| 11:34.33 | ebo | What little I've already done to prep for the application I stated what I've done in the app as prepwork. |
| 11:34.54 | ajuonline | or just download the code and keep working locally, without letting the interwebs know. and then commit during coding period. |
| 11:34.58 | ajuonline | of course I didnt say that. |
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| 11:35.55 | ebo | ajuonline: yea, but when someone used the "l" word, I take it seriously. |
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| 11:36.43 | ajuonline | ebo: there should be plenty of non coding work and discussion/documentation to follop or read, and discussions too. |
| 11:36.48 | ajuonline | followup* by then. |
| 11:36.51 | ebo | so, what is the leagal issue working on a program, a new program, starting now? |
| 11:37.05 | x1user | Hi all. I cant find where to submit my application? |
| 11:37.10 | ebo | ajuonline: start reading and playing was exactly what I had in mind. |
| 11:37.28 | ebo | but I code to test my understanding of what I am reading. |
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| 11:37.59 | fweisbec | ajuonline: that said, working isolated and wait for some time before comitting is a dangerous game, as we usually do it wrong when we do it alone |
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| 11:38.06 | ajuonline | ebo: test code. write away :P i meant, commits and stuff that you would include and present as work done in gsoc :P |
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| 11:38.34 | ebo | Ahh... OK. I was talking about test code. |
| 11:39.14 | ebo | Just want to make sure that I'm not doing anything unethical or illegal. |
| 11:40.44 | fweisbec | ebo: it's not illegal to start contributing to a project before the actual gsoc start |
| 11:41.26 | Wolf_OSGeo | it's just "illegal" to include that as part of gsoc in the end ;) |
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| 11:41.37 | ajuonline | ebo: let me put it this way. YI start working on code today. I write 10k lines before coding period. and 5 k lines during gsoc period. |
| 11:41.38 | fweisbec | right |
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| 11:42.03 | ajuonline | I will just make a zip of those 5k lines and upload it "for" google's legal purposes. |
| 11:42.11 | aghisla | [13:37] <fweisbec> <- truer words were never spoken |
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| 11:42.36 | ajuonline | fwiw, the program also wants as much as code done for the projects, so. |
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| 11:44.15 | ebo | so if in my prosals I say I will do X,Y,Z, and I got X+Y done before then (telling them so up front), and then turned in changes to X and Y +Z they would not have a problem as long as I was clear on what I had done and when? |
| 11:45.01 | ajuonline | nope/. you just include the commit logs/diffs/ from the gsoc period. in that zip file. |
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| 11:45.20 | Kosma | you can actually pretend you're committing everything during the gsoc period ;) |
| 11:45.54 | Kosma | although this *does* get slightly unethical ;-) |
| 11:45.55 | ajuonline | some places students have alegal restriction from their university or labour laws, that they cant work in a certain period. so thats different, |
| 11:46.48 | ebo | ajuonline: I ment the bug fixes and updates to X and Y, not turn in the initial work. say all of Z is new. |
| 11:47.17 | ebo | Kosma: I consider lieing to them unethical, and do not what to go there. |
| 11:47.50 | ajuonline | best would be to talk to your organisation :P but google, they want only the code that you committed during thecoding period. |
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| 11:55.40 | fweisbec | !countdown |
| 11:55.41 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
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| 12:01.11 | ei-grad | !next |
| 12:01.12 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 12:01.56 | aghisla | howzit pascal` ! |
| 12:02.21 | pascal` | hi aghisla |
| 12:02.53 | koryk_ | https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AeXQ0qfMW87BZGpjd250Ml82M2hxZGtmczli&hl=en feel free to give me feedback :-P deadline fast approaching >_< |
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| 12:12.09 | fweisbec | koryk_: hehe, you've made the 10th point funky. Why not. |
| 12:12.34 | fweisbec | koryk_: looks good at a quick glance |
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| 12:13.01 | ankitg | aghisla: Ohai! |
| 12:14.15 | aghisla | ankitg! |
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| 12:17.02 | ufong | !next |
| 12:17.02 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 12:17.10 | ufong | !time |
| 12:17.10 | socinfo | "time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
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| 12:23.28 | nooga | !countdown |
| 12:23.29 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
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| 12:27.46 | andreaa | in a proposal "guideline" there is: You should also plan to provide an abstract of your proposal, including a brief list of deliverables --- what does it mean derivable in that context? |
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| 12:29.04 | koryk_ | thank you fweisbec |
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| 12:29.34 | nooga | Yeah, what should be in the abstract of the proposal? |
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| 12:30.01 | nooga | few words about idea? |
| 12:30.15 | x` | 500 chars is wicked :) I love it when it says 502 chars, and you've already fiddled with it for half an hour ;) |
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| 12:37.44 | ebo | x`: don't you know it. I twitched when I hacked one of mine and found that it was EXACTLY 500 chars... |
| 12:38.31 | x` | in other words, your brain optimized before compiling :) |
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| 12:53.42 | ebo | x`: huh... Oh Yea. That's what it was ;-) |
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| 12:54.35 | Guest13869 | hi |
| 12:54.46 | Guest13869 | how can you know if a soc proposal will be accepted? |
| 12:55.22 | Wolf_OSGeo | Guest13869: there is no way to know for sure untill the accepted ones are released |
| 12:55.37 | Wolf_OSGeo | htrejh: there is no way to know for sure untill the accepted ones are released |
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| 12:55.51 | htrejh | is there any chance if i proposed two days ago? :s |
| 12:56.02 | htrejh | i couldn't do it earlier :s |
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| 12:57.52 | x` | ah |
| 12:58.00 | x` | enough of this |
| 12:58.08 | mayanks43 | !countdown |
| 12:58.09 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
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| 12:58.25 | mayanks43 | 6 hrs to go wooppieee |
| 12:58.33 | x` | i will let the countdown pass, my work, for the time being, is done. |
| 12:58.33 | htrejh | i will fail :s |
| 12:59.05 | x` | htrejh: give it your best and don't give up yet. |
| 12:59.13 | lakhsup | is scared that his proposal 'submit' button will fail at the end moment |
| 12:59.25 | mayanks43 | lakhsup submit now |
| 12:59.44 | lakhsup | mayanks43: some more work, finishing touches im afraid |
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| 12:59.58 | Diod | You can submit now, and just edit it |
| 13:00.10 | mayanks43 | now exactly 6 hrs left |
| 13:00.25 | mayanks43 | i like countdowns |
| 13:00.26 | mayanks43 | :P |
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| 13:00.29 | Diod | :p |
| 13:00.39 | Ivanovic | !timeline |
| 13:00.39 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 13:01.19 | mayanks43 | lakhsup plz submit now |
| 13:01.22 | mayanks43 | u can keep editing |
| 13:01.26 | mayanks43 | i m doing tht |
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| 13:03.15 | mayanks43 | !next |
| 13:03.15 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 13:04.06 | mayanks43 | PDT is a based on a weird line |
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| 13:06.00 | grosser | Hi. |
| 13:06.23 | grosser | I am haveing some problems with the summer of code webapplication. |
| 13:06.30 | grosser | Someone can give me a little help? |
| 13:06.58 | danderson | don't ask meta-questions, you'll only get meta-answers |
| 13:07.07 | danderson | state your problem, then maybe we can help :) |
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| 13:07.15 | grosser | There is a student who said he submitted two proposals. One withdrawn the other at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/private/google/gsoc2010/simbuerg/t127080289315 |
| 13:07.26 | gevaerts | danderson: I'd say that that's not even a meta-answer, it's a meta-meta-answer :) |
| 13:07.39 | danderson | gevaerts: yup, that's how I roll. |
| 13:07.44 | grosser | Unfortunately only the first one shows up in the mentor interface. |
| 13:07.50 | grosser | The second one not at all. |
| 13:07.52 | danderson | hmm |
| 13:07.59 | danderson | that feels like a Melange bug |
| 13:08.04 | grosser | As the first one is withdrawn it is marked invalid. |
| 13:08.15 | danderson | grosser: I would go to #melange to report that. Unfortunately I don't have developer God Mode on the webapp, so I can't debug. |
| 13:08.23 | grosser | So there is no valid proposal at the moment. |
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| 13:08.43 | danderson | okay, so yeah, go to #melange and report it to the devs |
| 13:08.44 | grosser | I've just been at melange. ;-) |
| 13:08.50 | grosser | The sent me here. |
| 13:08.54 | danderson | huh? |
| 13:08.59 | danderson | SRabbelier: wtf? |
| 13:09.05 | grosser | Mybe the way I ask questions is not good enough. |
| 13:09.09 | grosser | I will try again. |
| 13:09.15 | grosser | I can have to windows open. |
| 13:09.16 | Wolf_OSGeo | gosser, did you check all pages of applications? |
| 13:09.17 | grosser | ;-) |
| 13:09.20 | danderson | SRabbelier: we don't have god mode on the webapp, how are we supposed to debug what looks like a melange logic error? |
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| 13:10.07 | grosser | No. I did not |
| 13:10.12 | grosser | Sorry for the noise. |
| 13:10.14 | grosser | :-( |
| 13:10.16 | grosser | My fault. |
| 13:10.18 | grosser | :-( |
| 13:10.22 | danderson | oh, the application is there then? |
| 13:10.24 | Wolf_OSGeo | so you found it? |
| 13:10.41 | grosser | Yes. |
| 13:10.45 | danderson | ah, great |
| 13:10.46 | Wolf_OSGeo | good :) |
| 13:10.48 | danderson | SRabbelier: unping |
| 13:11.03 | Wolf_OSGeo | danderson: that's a double ping ;) |
| 13:11.23 | grosser | Hey. I really thought you are bored atm. |
| 13:11.24 | grosser | :-) |
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| 13:11.33 | grosser | Sorry for pinging around. ;-) |
| 13:11.36 | danderson | heh, not a problem. |
| 13:11.42 | danderson | we live to serve. |
| 13:11.50 | Wolf_OSGeo | grosser: you were right, we were bored |
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| 13:11.56 | xsergio | haha |
| 13:12.00 | Wolf_OSGeo | just look at how we jumped at the chance to help! :D |
| 13:12.28 | grosser | Anyways. Thanks a lot. It is good to know that there are so many supporting people. |
| 13:12.32 | grosser | You are great. |
| 13:12.45 | Wolf_OSGeo | any time |
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| 13:13.08 | grosser | Hopefully see you around somewhere. If anyone of you is going to the mentor summit. I owe you a beer. ;-) |
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| 13:13.34 | Wolf_OSGeo | grosser: I'll try to remember that ;) |
| 13:13.39 | Wolf_OSGeo | what org are you with |
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| 13:13.53 | grosser | gcc. My name is Tobias |
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| 13:13.58 | grosser | So track me down. |
| 13:14.05 | grosser | on the summit |
| 13:14.08 | Wolf_OSGeo | cool. I will :P |
| 13:14.14 | danderson | noted. I never forget a beer. |
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| 13:14.14 | danderson | :P |
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| 13:14.33 | BarryCarlyon | Someone mention beer? |
| 13:14.39 | Wolf_OSGeo | adds grosser too beer list |
| 13:14.44 | merwok | Hello room |
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| 13:15.23 | merwok | I sent a proposal with paragraphs and blank lines, but everything is displayed on one line. |
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| 13:16.21 | Wolf_OSGeo | merwok: did you disable the tinymce editor? |
| 13:16.26 | grosser | So see you around. Ciao |
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| 13:16.43 | merwok | Wolf, yes. |
| 13:16.55 | Wolf_OSGeo | well that is probably the reason then |
| 13:17.16 | Wolf_OSGeo | I think they had to disable the line adder since it battled with tinymce |
| 13:17.26 | Wolf_OSGeo | type <br /> to add line breaks |
| 13:17.34 | DasIch_ | !countdown |
| 13:17.35 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 13:17.37 | dmj726_n9001 | hooray, I have submitted my proposal. |
| 13:17.38 | Wolf_OSGeo | or insser your paragraphs in <p> </p< |
| 13:17.56 | x` | or just use <pre> for the whole thing? |
| 13:17.57 | merwok | Didn't see HTML was allowed in the application. Gotta use h1, p and a :) |
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| 13:20.43 | dmj726_n9001 | What's the deal about making it public or not? |
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| 13:21.38 | danderson | do you want to show it to people other than the mentors? |
| 13:21.41 | danderson | dmj726_n9001: ^ |
| 13:21.45 | danderson | that's the deal with making it public. |
| 13:21.59 | dmj726_n9001 | I see. |
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| 13:25.57 | merwok | I don't want my phone number to be public. |
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| 13:27.01 | kblin | merwok: you can leave that in a comment |
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| 13:29.04 | merwok | Thanks for the tip. |
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| 13:30.16 | spsneo | !next |
| 13:30.16 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 13:30.36 | spsneo | !stats |
| 13:30.36 | socinfo | "stats" is (#1) http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm, or (#2) EXPERIMENTAL http://lfowles.org/pysg/stats/%23gsoc/ |
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| 13:32.00 | r0bby|android | No stats for gsoc yet. |
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| 13:34.53 | ashish1221 | !newxt |
| 13:34.53 | socinfo | Error: "newxt" is not a valid command. |
| 13:34.59 | ashish1221 | !next |
| 13:34.59 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 13:41.13 | geoaxis | hello people, i made this public http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/private/google/gsoc2010/geoaxis/t127068137526 , but apprently ppl cannot see it |
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| 13:41.56 | aghisla | geoaxis: the link still tells "private" |
| 13:41.57 | Wolf_OSGeo | geoaxis: apparently you didn't |
| 13:42.00 | wtachi | change "private" to "show" |
| 13:42.24 | geoaxis | Wolf_OSGeo, should i share a screenshot |
| 13:42.41 | Wolf_OSGeo | this works: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/show/google/gsoc2010/geoaxis/t127068137526 |
| 13:42.52 | Wolf_OSGeo | as wtachi said |
| 13:43.00 | Wolf_OSGeo | s,private,show, |
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| 13:43.47 | geoaxis | I have a Make Public box and its ticked |
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| 13:44.12 | wtachi | the "Make Public" box still doesn't give you the public URL, apparently |
| 13:44.19 | cassarani | hi everyone |
| 13:44.33 | spsneo | cassarani: hi |
| 13:44.36 | cassarani | six hours left to apply to gsoc 2010, right? |
| 13:44.48 | wtachi | !next |
| 13:44.48 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 13:45.26 | geoaxis | Melange is acting up |
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| 13:46.06 | mayanks43 | !countdown |
| 13:46.07 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 13:46.07 | xiainx | someone should just put the !next in the channel subject... |
| 13:46.17 | wtachi | agrees |
| 13:46.44 | kpreid | xiainx: good idea, but you might be surprised how many people don't read it either |
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| 13:47.01 | cassarani | thanks for the countdown ;) |
| 13:47.14 | mayanks43 | j\m/ |
| 13:49.01 | xiainx | kpreid: heh, fair point |
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| 13:52.34 | swa_k | anyone applying for berkman?? |
| 13:54.14 | geoaxis | i did |
| 13:54.28 | geoaxis | and was kind of shot down, they really like rails :S |
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| 13:57.58 | firc | so mentors get to see what other organizations a student has applied to? |
| 13:58.01 | firc | *do |
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| 14:02.16 | xiainx | firc: I don't think so, only which students applied to their org |
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| 14:03.21 | nooga | !deadline |
| 14:03.22 | socinfo | "deadline" is see !timeline |
| 14:03.35 | nooga | !timeline |
| 14:03.36 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 14:04.58 | bram_atmire | Anyone applying for Duraspace ? |
| 14:05.16 | geoaxis | i am thinking of |
| 14:05.22 | geoaxis | JSF |
| 14:05.33 | geoaxis | (not join strike fighter) |
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| 14:06.40 | sfb | Hi geoaxis |
| 14:06.45 | geoaxis | sfb, hello |
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| 14:07.02 | sfb | geoaxis: Haven't seen you around since some time after your GSoC project for OpenNMS. (= |
| 14:07.14 | FlavioFerreiraBR | The deadline time is 19:00 UTC . To convert to time of your country use: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html |
| 14:07.18 | geoaxis | hehe, yeah not on this channel |
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| 14:07.48 | geoaxis | i do hang out on #opennms time to time, but twitter is popular with those guys too |
| 14:07.55 | geoaxis | also i am on #spring more |
| 14:08.21 | geoaxis | how was the 10 year party sfb |
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| 14:08.28 | geoaxis | (assuming you were there) |
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| 14:09.29 | koryk_ | why did the gsoc app have to be do the same day as my thesis >_< |
| 14:09.50 | merwok | koryk_, real life sucks, doesn't it? |
| 14:10.00 | merwok | It gets in the way. |
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| 14:10.16 | koryk_ | merwok: indeed, been up for > 48 hours :-p |
| 14:10.27 | merwok | I know that :) |
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| 14:12.18 | chiang | !countdown |
| 14:12.19 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
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| 14:20.36 | c_schmitz | !timeline |
| 14:20.37 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 14:26.59 | SRabbelier | danderson: what do you mean, don't have god mode? |
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| 14:27.45 | laserbled | pls help |
| 14:27.57 | laserbled | i jst made a profile rit now |
| 14:28.08 | laserbled | wat am i supposed to do aftr that |
| 14:28.12 | SRabbelier | danderson: oh, also, it was not "us" that sent him to #gsoc, it was some random dude hanging out in #melange |
| 14:28.12 | Kosma | laserbled: please use proper English |
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| 14:28.32 | Kosma | laserbled: after you made a profile, a link 'register as student' appears on the left |
| 14:28.51 | laserbled | I have just made a profle in gsoc...wat am i supposed to do after that |
| 14:29.15 | laserbled | i did that |
| 14:29.16 | danderson | SRabbelier: I SAID UNPING |
| 14:29.18 | danderson | SRabbelier: ;) |
| 14:29.27 | SRabbelier | danderson: it doesn't count! |
| 14:29.30 | SRabbelier | danderson: :P |
| 14:29.42 | danderson | by "god mode", I mean I don't have developer access to melange, so I can't peek around in stuff, because I have no roles in SoC 2010 |
| 14:29.51 | danderson | (developer, or google admin, or whatever the ACL is) |
| 14:29.54 | merwok | !faq |
| 14:29.54 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 14:30.04 | merwok | laserbled, read this detailed FAQ. |
| 14:30.05 | Wolf_OSGeo | danderson: told ya it was a double ping :P |
| 14:30.15 | danderson | SRabbelier: and you should kill random people who send confused people elsewhere :P |
| 14:30.31 | Kosma | !confusion |
| 14:30.31 | socinfo | Error: "confusion" is not a valid command. |
| 14:30.34 | SRabbelier | danderson: /kill didn't work :( |
| 14:30.58 | Kosma | !countdown |
| 14:30.58 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 14:31.02 | Wolf_OSGeo | danderson: actually that random dude did the right thing, in the end. the mentor did find help here, didn't he? |
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| 14:31.14 | Kosma | 4:28 aaargh |
| 14:32.01 | Damo | hey, my friend told me about this today I would be very interested in applying |
| 14:32.08 | laserbled | kosma:sorry i couldnt find that register as student....i filled my details...is there anything left to do? |
| 14:32.15 | danderson | Wolf_OSGeo: don't confuse the issue. #melange should clearly do all the tech support for us! |
| 14:32.18 | danderson | ;) |
| 14:32.23 | merwok | Hi Damo |
| 14:32.31 | danderson | Damo: |
| 14:32.32 | danderson | !faq |
| 14:32.33 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 14:32.34 | merwok | Read http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 14:32.34 | Wolf_OSGeo | danderson: :D |
| 14:32.34 | danderson | !advice |
| 14:32.35 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
| 14:32.35 | Damo | any advice? I'm from Ireland if that matters |
| 14:32.45 | danderson | Damo: read those two, then: |
| 14:32.46 | danderson | !orgs |
| 14:32.47 | socinfo | "orgs" is The list of accepted mentoring organizations is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 14:32.50 | danderson | find an org |
| 14:33.04 | Damo | I've had a look at the faq and the org list already but theres a LOT! |
| 14:33.16 | danderson | you have until 19:00 UTC *today* to apply, so I'm afraid you may be a little too late this year, unless you put in a really intense 2.5 hours. |
| 14:33.42 | Damo | I'm only a first year student, and a lot of the programs look beyond my abilities |
| 14:33.58 | Damo | and i can put in an intense 2.5 hours! |
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| 14:34.00 | merwok | Applications can be edited after the deadline, but still, better to do the most of the writing before it. |
| 14:34.16 | danderson | Don't be discouraged, SoC caters to all levels of skill. |
| 14:34.17 | merwok | Damo, programming language of choice? |
| 14:34.24 | Kosma | mayanks43: can they? |
| 14:34.26 | danderson | yeah, what merwok said |
| 14:34.38 | Damo | is there any way to filter the list of programs for basic ones? |
| 14:34.44 | mayanks43 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.47 | Damo | and java is my main language |
| 14:34.48 | Kosma | danderson: intense 4.5 hours |
| 14:34.55 | cassarani | danderson: surely it's 5 hours? |
| 14:34.55 | danderson | Damo: not really, since "basic" varies depending on your own experiences |
| 14:35.02 | |Kev| | Damo: filter for orgs with a 'java' tag. |
| 14:35.11 | danderson | for example, to me embedded OS hacking is "basic", whereas cryptography is hard |
| 14:35.13 | cassarani | danderson: 19.00 UTC == 20.00 BST? |
| 14:35.18 | danderson | !time |
| 14:35.19 | socinfo | "time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
| 14:35.37 | danderson | okay, that's a gratuitously obnoxious link. |
| 14:35.54 | gsoc_Dushyant | i am feeling lucky!! |
| 14:36.07 | geoaxis | gsoc_Dushyant, hit it |
| 14:36.09 | danderson | cassarani: you're right, I suck at timezones. |
| 14:36.12 | Kosma | "gratuitously obnoxious"... I would have no idea how to spell that |
| 14:36.14 | gevaerts | me considers all tinyurl-like urls to be obnoxious :) |
| 14:36.18 | Damo | thanks a lot guys! gonna go find me a course! |
| 14:36.24 | Kosma | not to mention the meaning ;) |
| 14:36.34 | danderson | Damo: revised deadline: you have 4.5 hours :) |
| 14:36.41 | Damo | lol perfect! |
| 14:36.42 | merwok | gevaerts, yep, some friends and I use hugeurl.com to mock the tinyurl stupidity. |
| 14:37.09 | gevaerts | Also, http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=cache:lmgtfy.com :) |
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| 14:37.26 | gsoc_Dushyant | anyone applying for geeklog here? |
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| 14:37.56 | Kosma | gevaerts: OMG HOW DO I STOP THIS? |
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| 14:39.06 | Wolf_OSGeo | Kosma: stop what? |
| 14:39.12 | SRabbelier | Kosma: just close the web page? |
| 14:39.29 | Wolf_OSGeo | or type /leave? ;) :P |
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| 14:40.44 | kblin | ahrg |
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| 14:40.55 | SRabbelier | kblin: ahrg? |
| 14:41.41 | kblin | wtf do mentors and admins suck at basic open source skills so much? |
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| 14:42.25 | SRabbelier | kblin: I've been wondering the same myself; what made you ask in particular? |
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| 14:42.50 | kblin | cross-posted html emails with large png screen-shots? |
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| 14:43.42 | merwok | That's not "open source" skills. Just Internet common sense. |
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| 14:43.56 | SRabbelier | kblin: ugh, nasty |
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| 14:43.59 | al1943 | !countdown |
| 14:43.59 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 14:44.47 | Ivanovic | merwok: does not exist! |
| 14:44.58 | Ivanovic | common sense and the internets clash |
| 14:45.03 | merwok | Netiquette, if you prefer. |
| 14:45.14 | merwok | There is an Internet of hackers and an Internet of dumb. |
| 14:46.28 | mayanks43 | everyone take light and forget netiquette |
| 14:46.32 | mayanks43 | :P |
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| 14:48.38 | merwok | I have a doubt: We *are* allowed to edit our applications after today's deadline, right? |
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| 14:49.49 | Ivanovic | merwok: IIRC from last year: semicorrect |
| 14:49.57 | Ivanovic | merwok: you are allowed to edit once you got a public comment |
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| 14:50.05 | jbartosik | !next |
| 14:50.05 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 14:50.13 | Ivanovic | though assume that the orgs will "soon" work on deciding which student to accept |
| 14:50.41 | Ivanovic | so a really bad application right now that you want to improve over the next, hmm, two weeks, is most likely problematic |
| 14:51.14 | Ivanovic | (especially since in a little over one and a half week the *final* selection have to basically be done) |
| 14:51.21 | merwok | Ok. |
| 14:51.49 | merwok | I miss the timeline in my first proposal, and I have to write the whole second proposal. |
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| 14:51.55 | Ivanovic | so yeah, it is likely that orgs already start thinking and considering in this moment (or have already done so two weeks ago) |
| 14:52.15 | Ivanovic | so you want to write two *good* proposals in less than one day? |
| 14:52.18 | Ivanovic | forget it, won't work! |
| 14:52.35 | gevaerts | not to mention that last-minute submissions will give a slightly bad impression anyway |
| 14:52.42 | Ivanovic | a good proposal requires research and the likes |
| 14:53.32 | merwok | I already have one proposal for something I know rather well, it only lacks timeline. |
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| 14:54.02 | Ivanovic | though writing up a good proposal in some 4h is unlikely to work |
| 14:54.14 | merwok | I know ~ |
| 14:54.20 | Ivanovic | writing a good proposal is comparable to writing a good scientific paper |
| 14:54.20 | gsoc_Dushyant | how many are u applying for |
| 14:54.23 | gsoc_Dushyant | ? |
| 14:54.33 | JSund | merwok: maybe you should focus on writing the timeline and finishing up the proposal you've already written then? |
| 14:54.43 | merwok | Seems more sensible. |
| 14:54.59 | Kosma | Intensity: ...in a few hours? |
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| 14:55.36 | merwok | gsoc_Dushyant, one sure, and I thought I'd propose another one as backup for another project of the same org. |
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| 15:03.19 | al1943 | !extension |
| 15:03.19 | socinfo | "extension" is The deadline WAS NOT extended and WILL NOT be. Not even for you. |
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| 15:03.34 | al1943 | !timeline |
| 15:03.34 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 15:05.36 | wtachi | !extensionPRETTYPLEASEWITHSUGARONTOP |
| 15:05.37 | socinfo | Error: "extensionPRETTYPLEASEWITHSUGARONTOP" is not a valid command. |
| 15:06.13 | mmadia | !learn extension as The deadline WAS NOT extended and WILL NOT be. Not even for you. |
| 15:06.13 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 15:09.56 | StevenC | !next |
| 15:09.56 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 15:10.11 | caden | !deadline |
| 15:10.11 | socinfo | "deadline" is see !timeline |
| 15:10.15 | caden | !timeline |
| 15:10.16 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 15:10.26 | caden | !countdown |
| 15:10.27 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
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| 15:10.34 | chiang | !slot |
| 15:10.34 | socinfo | Error: "slot" is not a valid command. |
| 15:10.39 | emmanuelp | !countdown |
| 15:10.39 | ajuonline | !later |
| 15:10.40 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 15:10.40 | chiang | !slots |
| 15:10.41 | socinfo | "later" is successful. Announcement of accepted proposals delayed by another minute. |
| 15:10.42 | socinfo | "slots" is Slots are allocated after student proposals are all submitted. The final count of slots are unknown until the accepted students are announced. Please see http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations for further information on how slots are allocated. |
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| 15:11.22 | chiang | !final |
| 15:11.22 | socinfo | Error: "final" is not a valid command. |
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| 15:11.48 | ajuonline | ok stop with the bot abuse already :P |
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| 15:12.08 | ajuonline | !botabuse |
| 15:12.08 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
| 15:12.08 | wtachi | !learn wtachi as awesome |
| 15:12.09 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:12.15 | wtachi | !wtachi |
| 15:12.15 | socinfo | "wtachi" is awesome |
| 15:12.19 | wtachi | :) |
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| 15:12.54 | kblin | !forget wtachi |
| 15:12.54 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:12.57 | kblin | right |
| 15:13.33 | kblin | can we now please grow up a little? |
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| 15:14.24 | manikand | factoids search #gsoc *time* |
| 15:14.41 | kblin | use a query please |
| 15:14.45 | manikand | oops! sorry wrong window :) |
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| 15:25.18 | lolfrenz | !countdown |
| 15:25.18 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
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| 15:26.38 | xiainx | anyone else seeing a weird number on the countdown? |
| 15:26.50 | xiainx | I see 3 hours, 213 minutes, 12790 seconds |
| 15:27.09 | JSund | you read one of the lines, not the sum of all of them |
| 15:27.16 | aghisla | :D |
| 15:27.40 | xiainx | facepalms |
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| 15:32.06 | emmanuelp | hey guys |
| 15:32.44 | emmanuelp | If I apply for an idea of my own, should I suggest a mentor too? if so, can this mentor be anybody I want? Obviously, provided that he has the knowledge to mentor me, of course. |
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| 15:33.23 | Wolf_OSGeo | emmanuelp: yes you need a mentor if you apply for an independent project |
| 15:33.44 | Wolf_OSGeo | danderson can help you with the specifics |
| 15:34.06 | emmanuelp | Wolf_OSGeo: And he can be just anybody? or does he need to be part of the organisation's community? |
| 15:34.43 | Wolf_OSGeo | emmanuelp: are you applying to google or some specific org? |
| 15:34.46 | gsoc_Dushyant | !total |
| 15:34.47 | socinfo | Error: "total" is not a valid command. |
| 15:34.57 | Wolf_OSGeo | if not google, and your own idea, then no mentor is needed |
| 15:35.25 | Wolf_OSGeo | I thought you want ed to apply to some random independent project without an organization |
| 15:35.26 | emmanuelp | I didn't know you could apply to google directly :) |
| 15:35.42 | emmanuelp | Well, now that I know it I kinda do :) |
| 15:35.45 | Wolf_OSGeo | emmanuelp: it's not really to google, its for independent projects |
| 15:35.59 | rraf | Someone should make it easier to import proposals into melange from google docs |
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| 15:36.15 | emmanuelp | how do you do that? how do you send a proposal of this type (independent project) |
| 15:36.22 | Wolf_OSGeo | rraf: isn't copy-paste easy enough? |
| 15:36.28 | rraf | no it's not |
| 15:36.38 | rraf | i need to re format the document |
| 15:36.38 | Wolf_OSGeo | emmanuelp: I don't know |
| 15:36.50 | rraf | which is really annoying |
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| 15:37.20 | Wolf_OSGeo | rraf: try copy-pasting from the read-only view of the google doc? |
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| 15:38.19 | emmanuelp | ok, thanks Wolf_OSGeo |
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| 15:38.50 | carldani | Hi |
| 15:39.05 | Gangadhar | !deadline |
| 15:39.05 | socinfo | "deadline" is see !timeline |
| 15:39.12 | Gangadhar | !timeline |
| 15:39.12 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 15:39.18 | rootbit | Hey there |
| 15:39.21 | gsoc_Dushyant | what is the use of make public check box while submitting the application |
| 15:39.22 | gsoc_Dushyant | ? |
| 15:39.28 | carldani | There's something I was unable to figure out from the online user guide: The "make public" checkbox. |
| 15:39.43 | gsoc_Dushyant | nice timing |
| 15:39.48 | carldani | indeed |
| 15:39.59 | merwok | Public means readable by anyone. |
| 15:40.11 | gsoc_Dushyant | so how do we read other applications |
| 15:40.12 | gsoc_Dushyant | ? |
| 15:40.32 | JSund | is there any listing of public proposals, or do you still need the URL to read it? |
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| 15:41.18 | rootbit | lol, I would have never thought about that |
| 15:41.33 | rootbit | Public so where do I read about other peoples info |
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| 15:41.41 | rootbit | I always only think about my own privacy |
| 15:41.44 | rootbit | :-) |
| 15:41.48 | rootbit | Any google people here |
| 15:41.49 | rootbit | ? |
| 15:42.23 | gsoc_Dushyant | to support the concept of OPEN source i made my application OPEN (public) |
| 15:42.42 | carldani | SRabbelier probably knows. AFAIK he is working on Melange |
| 15:42.53 | SRabbelier | carldani: I am |
| 15:43.08 | SRabbelier | carldani: what's the question? |
| 15:43.19 | gsoc_Dushyant | how do we view the public applications |
| 15:43.31 | carldani | SRabbelier: We were wondering about the "make public" checkbox in the proposal edit screen. |
| 15:43.57 | carldani | Does it mean "visible to mentors" or "visible to the world"? |
| 15:44.13 | JSund | an application is always visible for mentors, even if the checkbox is unchecked |
| 15:44.16 | Ivanovic | the proposal is always visible to the mentors |
| 15:44.17 | SRabbelier | carldani: the latter, your proposal is already visible to mentors when you submit it :-/ |
| 15:44.25 | carldani | And I read the user guide, but didn't find that point. |
| 15:44.32 | carldani | SRabbelier: Thanks for clarifying! |
| 15:44.35 | Ivanovic | but if you hand out the link it will only be visible to "others" when you check the public box |
| 15:44.38 | spectie | borja, |
| 15:44.40 | JSund | SRabbelier: do you still need the URL to read the proposals, or is there any public listing of proposals? |
| 15:44.54 | d4ddi0 | but its only visible to those who are logged into gsoc |
| 15:45.00 | SRabbelier | JSund: there is no public listing |
| 15:45.20 | gsoc_Dushyant | so what is the point of making public |
| 15:45.36 | d4ddi0 | right. you have to give out the url to get anyone to look at it |
| 15:45.48 | carldani | Good luck everyone! |
| 15:45.54 | danderson | !luck |
| 15:45.54 | socinfo | Error: "luck" is not a valid command. |
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| 15:45.59 | danderson | gah, not again. |
| 15:46.02 | danderson | luck has nothing to do with it. |
| 15:46.07 | danderson | it's about whether you suck or not :) |
| 15:46.16 | Diuturnal | !odds |
| 15:46.16 | socinfo | "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 15:46.20 | danderson | yeah, that's the one |
| 15:46.30 | danderson | Diuturnal: thanks. |
| 15:46.32 | gsoc_Dushyant | !evens |
| 15:46.32 | socinfo | Error: "evens" is not a valid command. |
| 15:46.35 | d4ddi0 | danderson: whether you suck at writing proposals |
| 15:46.53 | d4ddi0 | or your mom does :p |
| 15:47.00 | danderson | d4ddi0: you'd also have to suck at talking to open source projects (you did talk to them, right?) |
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| 15:47.05 | carldani | danderson: sure, but if I wish "good suck everyone" some people might misunderstand it ;-) |
| 15:47.15 | d4ddi0 | yeah. I did. good point |
| 15:47.21 | danderson | which, unlike proposal writing, *is* a skill problem for getting your SoC done successfully |
| 15:47.31 | rootbit | danderson, can I ask a small question? |
| 15:47.32 | SRabbelier | danderson: +1 |
| 15:47.41 | rootbit | why isnt AOSP part of GSOC? |
| 15:48.00 | SRabbelier | rootbit: because they weren't selected this year? |
| 15:48.01 | carldani | Having sent mergeable patches in the past to the project you're applying to will definitely help your chances. |
| 15:48.17 | wtachi | !learn luck as see !odds |
| 15:48.18 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:48.25 | gsoc_Dushyant | is the "public" issue resolved? |
| 15:48.28 | rootbit | really? android applied this year and was not selected? |
| 15:48.47 | danderson | android didn't apply. |
| 15:48.54 | danderson | consequently, they were not selected. |
| 15:49.01 | DrJoel | that's a good reason |
| 15:49.05 | rootbit | oh, I see... |
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| 15:49.17 | rootbit | Damn, I wanted to do android bidi fixes |
| 15:49.26 | danderson | (or maybe their application sucked, but I don't remember seeing android in the candidate list) |
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| 15:49.31 | carldani | gsoc_Dushyant: yes, "public" just is about being visible to the public. Mentors will always see your proposal |
| 15:49.57 | rootbit | lol, android cants suck, its a killer app! |
| 15:50.07 | danderson | rootbit: maybe find an independent mentor for that in the android community, and apply as an independent project? |
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| 15:50.42 | danderson | although (1) the deadline is approaching fast and (2) historically, "freelance" projects have a lower probability of being accepted |
| 15:50.44 | SRabbelier | danderson: they didn't apply |
| 15:51.02 | rootbit | hmm, how does that work? |
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| 15:51.08 | danderson | SRabbelier: yeah, I was 99% sure. |
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| 15:51.10 | rootbit | I wonder why didnt they apply |
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| 15:51.12 | anirudh | hey.. is submitting a proposal the final step in application? |
| 15:51.37 | danderson | rootbit: you apply to the placeholder org ("Google", or "GSoC", or something) |
| 15:51.38 | wtachi | anirudh: you can still add comments and interact with mentors afterwards |
| 15:51.39 | anirudh | because i submitted it, and its still in the list without modification |
| 15:51.41 | texens | Hi, I'm trying to insert an anchor using the html editor |
| 15:51.44 | anirudh | ok |
| 15:51.51 | danderson | your proposal *must* include contact information for a prospective mentor in that case |
| 15:51.58 | anirudh | ok |
| 15:52.00 | getxsick | !deadline |
| 15:52.00 | socinfo | "deadline" is see !timeline |
| 15:52.01 | danderson | since the placeholder org will not be giving you one |
| 15:52.05 | getxsick | !timeline |
| 15:52.06 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 15:52.25 | texens | but, I'm unable to find a way to use the inserted anchor..! |
| 15:52.29 | danderson | so, in your case, you'd go look for a mentor in AOSP, and apply for the project you want, citing your mentor's references/credentials to mentor that project |
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| 15:52.36 | danderson | rootbit: ^ |
| 15:52.56 | rootbit | OK |
| 15:53.11 | Migi32 | hey, if you fail one year, is the chance of getting accepted the next year significantly lowered? |
| 15:53.20 | rootbit | can someone like cyanogen do it |
| 15:53.25 | sudiptamondal | migi32: i dont think that is true |
| 15:53.28 | spectie | depends completely on the org, mentor and proposal Migi32 |
| 15:53.29 | rootbit | or does it need to be someone with AOSP like romain guy? |
| 15:53.35 | kblin | SRabbelier: hey there |
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| 15:53.39 | wtachi | Migi32: make sure to tell them you learned from your mistakes |
| 15:53.40 | Migi32 | sudiptamondal & spectie ok |
| 15:53.48 | Migi32 | :) |
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| 15:53.55 | gevaerts | Migi32: "you" as a student? Well, as I see it you don't fail usually, you just happen to not be in the top-n applications |
| 15:53.55 | SRabbelier | kblin: hey you |
| 15:53.56 | Migi32 | not that I failed last year |
| 15:54.04 | SRabbelier | s/$/rself/ |
| 15:54.21 | Migi32 | gevaerts, no if you were accepted and failed |
| 15:54.23 | gevaerts | ah, ok |
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| 15:54.33 | kblin | SRabbelier: can I do a gsoc project for you implementing a really cool feature for melange in VisualBasic for Applications or whatever it is that you do melange in? |
| 15:54.39 | d4ddi0 | Migi32: I'd guess its more like running for president of the united states. The things you learn with a failed bid make it more likely you will succeed if you try again |
| 15:54.51 | Migi32 | ok |
| 15:54.52 | sudiptamondal | migi32: if you were accepted and failed then that would be very bad i guess |
| 15:54.55 | SRabbelier | kblin: sure, why not! |
| 15:54.57 | gevaerts | Migi32: I'd say it depends. If you apply to another project they probably won't even know, and if you apply to the same project, it will depend a lot on why you failed |
| 15:55.03 | kblin | SRabbelier: perfect |
| 15:55.17 | SRabbelier | kblin: we got a proposal from a student wanting to work in C/C++ actually |
| 15:55.34 | SRabbelier | kblin: it was a one-line proposal, saying "please advise" at the end; yeah, no. |
| 15:55.37 | kblin | SRabbelier: yeah, I know, hence me asking |
| 15:55.50 | SRabbelier | kblin: do you guys get similar nonsense proposals? |
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| 15:56.17 | kblin | SRabbelier: m in ur computa readin ur email!!!!111eleventyone |
| 15:56.22 | aghisla | HAHA |
| 15:56.39 | aghisla | i can haz gsoc tshirt |
| 15:56.46 | spectie | <kblin> SRabbelier: can I do a gsoc project for you implementing a really cool feature for melange in VisualBasic for Applications or whatever it is that you do melange in? |
| 15:56.47 | spectie | hahaha |
| 15:57.08 | kblin | SRabbelier: well, I got one saying "hey, I'd like to work on gsoc, so how does that work" |
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| 15:57.28 | kblin | that was right after applications opened |
| 15:57.37 | SRabbelier | kblin: *sighs*, yeah, very sad |
| 15:57.45 | kblin | I pointed that guy at the faq, haven't heard back |
| 15:57.55 | danderson | rootbit: I don't have an opinion. If it's going to be for AOSP, then cyanogen would probably not be the right person for the job |
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| 15:58.09 | danderson | (unless they're involved with AOSP as well as the mod? I don't know the android community) |
| 15:58.39 | kblin | oh, which reminds me of my weekend todo list |
| 15:58.49 | ajuonline | SRabbelier: can I make a robot and program it to serve coffee to the melange team when they work on it? :P does that count as a great gsoc idea?: :P |
| 15:58.52 | kblin | puts "get python to build on andy" to it agian |
| 15:59.01 | emmanuelp | hey guys, anyone knows how to apply for an idea of yourself not exactly aimed at any of the orgs? |
| 15:59.14 | SRabbelier | kblin: woot! that'd be cool |
| 15:59.30 | SRabbelier | ajuonline: if you s/coffee/hot chocolate/, then yes |
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| 15:59.57 | aghisla | +1 |
| 16:00.20 | downeym | !next |
| 16:00.20 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 16:01.27 | dunnowhyitsme | 19.00 UTC i still have 3 hrs roughly? |
| 16:01.39 | Ian_Corne | Hello, should we mark our project proposals as public? Or is that not needed for mentors to read our proposals? |
| 16:01.40 | gevaerts | more or less |
| 16:01.41 | Diod | !deadline |
| 16:01.42 | socinfo | "deadline" is see !timeline |
| 16:01.44 | aghisla | hurry hurry!! |
| 16:01.55 | aghisla | Ian_Corne: it is needed |
| 16:01.57 | dunnowhyitsme | i'v completed writing .. jus givin final touvh :) |
| 16:01.57 | Ademan | dunnowhyitsme: more like 2 |
| 16:01.59 | Ian_Corne | ok |
| 16:02.02 | JSund | Ian_Corne: it is not required for the mentors to see your proposal |
| 16:02.02 | dunnowhyitsme | !deadline |
| 16:02.02 | socinfo | "deadline" is see !timeline |
| 16:02.08 | Ian_Corne | ok |
| 16:02.08 | Ademan | !extensions |
| 16:02.08 | socinfo | Error: "extensions" is not a valid command. |
| 16:02.14 | Ian_Corne | who's right now and who's wrong? |
| 16:02.14 | wtachi | !timeline |
| 16:02.14 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 16:02.17 | dunnowhyitsme | !timeline |
| 16:02.17 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 16:02.18 | jrl5 | are there any sample proposals anywhere? |
| 16:02.34 | dunnowhyitsme | google .. thr r many |
| 16:02.36 | JSund | jrl5: Drupla links one at http://drupal.org/node/59037 |
| 16:02.44 | wtachi | it's three hours, unless you want to worry about general relativity |
| 16:02.46 | Ademan | jrl5: I hope you're not just now starting... |
| 16:02.49 | aghisla | jrl5: some orgs show successful 200* proposals |
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| 16:04.04 | laserbled | gin |
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| 16:07.04 | dunnowhyitsme | Does it matters, how much you've spoken to mentor / organisation ? |
| 16:07.11 | wtachi | yes |
| 16:07.29 | gevaerts | that will depend on the organisation, but usually, yes |
| 16:07.32 | dunnowhyitsme | i've been on mailing list / irc .. had discussion with users .. but nt specifically with mentor |
| 16:08.11 | dunnowhyitsme | anyways thx :) |
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| 16:08.29 | aghisla | e.g. i didn't know my mentor 2 years ago before the assignment |
| 16:09.03 | aghisla | dunnowhyitsme: good luck :) |
| 16:09.07 | gevaerts | Oh, that's a bit different. Talking to mentors specifically isn't really needed I think, talking where they can see it is the important thing (if you talk sense of course :) |
| 16:09.09 | spectie | !timeline |
| 16:09.10 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 16:09.34 | Ademan | I know my mentor quite well, but in my case I may have aggravated my mentor so much with silly questions that it's hurt my chances :-p |
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| 16:11.07 | wtachi | Ademan: in your proposal, show that you've learned from his answers and you now know what you're talking about |
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| 16:12.14 | neurodrone | !next |
| 16:12.14 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 16:13.41 | Adityab | !deadline |
| 16:13.41 | socinfo | "deadline" is see !timeline |
| 16:14.04 | Jeff_S | lol |
| 16:14.15 | Adityab | :X |
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| 16:20.24 | damonwang | @search timeline |
| 16:20.27 | damonwang | !timeline |
| 16:20.28 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 16:20.31 | damonwang | !countdown |
| 16:20.32 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
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| 16:21.41 | dberkholz | darn, carol isn't here. |
| 16:21.51 | damonwang | Okay, this is silly, but I just realized I've been screwing up the time zones for two weeks. |
| 16:21.53 | dberkholz | anyone know if the data on proposal count per org is available? |
| 16:22.01 | damonwang | Can anyone confirm that that deadline is 2pm in Chicago? |
| 16:22.25 | dberkholz | that sounds right |
| 16:22.26 | dberkholz | damonwang: have you tried typing `date -u` on your computer? |
| 16:22.28 | gevaerts | damonwang: the deadline is in two and a half hours |
| 16:22.45 | gevaerts | plus or minus ten minutes :) |
| 16:22.54 | damonwang | dberkholz: oh, nice! |
| 16:22.57 | merwok | <Ivanovic> merwok: you are allowed to edit once you got a public comment > Do we have to make our application public to get public comments? |
| 16:23.01 | ArthurLiu | moo |
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| 16:23.05 | damonwang | Okay, thanks everyone, that answers my question |
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| 16:23.06 | dberkholz | hi ArthurLiu |
| 16:23.10 | danderson | merwok: no. |
| 16:23.15 | ArthurLiu | hoy! |
| 16:23.19 | Ivanovic | merwok: the difference between public and private comment is simple |
| 16:23.29 | danderson | in this context, "public comment" means "a comment by a mentor, that has been explicitly marked as 'show this to the student'." |
| 16:23.36 | Ivanovic | all comments come from your orgs mentors/admins |
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| 16:23.52 | Ivanovic | private comments are private to those mentors and admins, as in "invisible to the student" |
| 16:24.02 | Ivanovic | where the public ones are visible by the student |
| 16:24.08 | merwok | Thanks a lot for explaining! |
| 16:25.46 | dberkholz | ArthurLiu: curious how many proposals you guys have |
| 16:26.12 | dberkholz | ArthurLiu: ours jumped about 40-50% and i'm wondering whether it's across the board |
| 16:26.26 | dberkholz | (from last year) |
| 16:27.03 | ArthurLiu | yes, we also have about 30% more |
| 16:27.33 | Arc | cant tell, the webapp stopped loading list of student proposals two hours ago |
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| 16:28.22 | ArthurLiu | carols, hi! |
| 16:28.32 | carols | hey ArthurLiu! |
| 16:28.35 | carols | big day today |
| 16:28.39 | ArthurLiu | yup |
| 16:29.04 | ArthurLiu | well, the real frenzy will be the results publication day. today is just rehearsal :) |
| 16:29.42 | carols | ArthurLiu: very true. and there's still the deduplication meeting to get through :-) |
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| 16:31.25 | aghisla | sho! |
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| 16:33.15 | mayanks43 | me getting goosebumps :( |
| 16:33.27 | tominwvc | Hi. I need help in getting my proposal entered. I was told in this channel to send it to the org; they said I must enter it at socghop.appspot.com, but I am not clear where and how to do so. I have set up my account. Can anyone guide me to the right place? |
| 16:33.51 | merwok | !faq |
| 16:33.51 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 16:34.06 | mayanks43 | read the user's guide |
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| 16:34.17 | mayanks43 | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/userguide |
| 16:34.34 | wtachi | !guide |
| 16:34.34 | socinfo | Error: "guide" is not a valid command. |
| 16:34.36 | wtachi | !userguide |
| 16:34.37 | socinfo | "userguide" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/userguide |
| 16:34.37 | mayanks43 | nd do it fast |
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| 16:34.47 | lunaticare | !help |
| 16:34.47 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
| 16:34.49 | mayanks43 | no time |
| 16:35.03 | lunaticare | !botabuse |
| 16:35.03 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
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| 16:35.10 | lifeeth | :) |
| 16:35.26 | swa_k | anyone applyinf for berkman |
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| 16:35.27 | mmaruseacph2 | !next |
| 16:35.27 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 16:35.40 | mmaruseacph2 | !tme |
| 16:35.40 | socinfo | Error: "tme" is not a valid command. |
| 16:35.43 | mmaruseacph2 | !time |
| 16:35.43 | socinfo | "time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
| 16:35.49 | mmaruseacph2 | !now |
| 16:35.49 | socinfo | Error: "now" is not a valid command. |
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| 16:36.39 | wtachi | stupid updatedb |
| 16:36.40 | wtachi | kills it |
| 16:36.48 | swa_k | anyone applying for berkman?? |
| 16:37.03 | epps | !timeline |
| 16:37.03 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 16:37.31 | hiddenpearls | Best of Luck for all students |
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| 16:38.03 | gevaerts | hiddenpearls: how about the mentors who have to read through it all? :) |
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| 16:38.20 | swa_k | thanks |
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| 16:38.43 | hiddenpearls | mentors will review |
| 16:38.47 | hiddenpearls | your proposals |
| 16:39.07 | swa_k | how insightful |
| 16:39.11 | gevaerts | Well, don't they need luck? |
| 16:39.22 | gevaerts | hides |
| 16:39.38 | hiddenpearls | Yes.. I think it is totally luck |
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| 16:40.30 | umashanthi | When will Google let the organizations know about the number of slots? |
| 16:40.38 | swa_k | how thw tough is the competeion this time around |
| 16:40.55 | erlehmann | countdown is 2hrs 20min, right ? |
| 16:41.01 | erlehmann | !countdown |
| 16:41.01 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 16:41.04 | lifeeth | erlehmann, yup |
| 16:41.19 | erlehmann | 2 proposals to go. and showering. should be doable |
| 16:41.24 | erlehmann | thx lifeeth |
| 16:41.45 | wtachi | !luck |
| 16:41.46 | socinfo | "luck" is see !odds |
| 16:41.49 | wtachi | !odds |
| 16:41.50 | socinfo | "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
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| 16:43.01 | mkarnicki | lol, day by day i see more and more socinfo knowledge :D |
| 16:43.13 | hiddenpearls | who will accept ? google or mentor org. ? |
| 16:43.40 | swa_k | i guess mentor org google is just the mediator |
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| 16:44.08 | mkarnicki | mentor orgs grade proposals. google cuts of k-top ones. don't ask about k. |
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| 16:44.48 | hiddenpearls | socinfo, mentors will accept ? when organizations will grade ? |
| 16:44.48 | socinfo | Error: "mentors" is not a valid command. |
| 16:44.50 | tominwvc | I have been following the guides suggested, and get to the orgs page, but cannot find a submission link. The org tells me to submit at socghop.appspot.com/, but I can find no place there. I have been going in circles since yesterday. |
| 16:45.16 | mkarnicki | hiddenpearls: u kidding, right ;) ? |
| 16:45.24 | Kosma | tominwvc: once you get the org list, find the one you want and just click it |
| 16:45.50 | tominwvc | I have done that, but cannot find where to submit |
| 16:45.51 | darkip | !countdown |
| 16:45.52 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 16:45.55 | hiddenpearls | sorry |
| 16:45.55 | mkarnicki | tominwvc: click *it* , not the *ideas* column |
| 16:46.44 | mkarnicki | 2 hours, huh :)? |
| 16:46.54 | erlehmann | ha, i life in UTC-2 |
| 16:46.56 | erlehmann | live |
| 16:47.06 | tominwvc | when you say *it*, I presume you mean the 'click here' link on the orgs entry |
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| 16:47.18 | tominwvc | that takes me to the orgs page |
| 16:47.31 | dhaun | tominwvc: step 1: click on the "submit student propsal" in the left column, step 2: click somewhere in the row of the org you want to apply to but NOT on where it says "click here" |
| 16:47.44 | mkarnicki | i live in GMT+1 |
| 16:48.01 | mkarnicki | no! on the org list on gsoc site :) |
| 16:48.13 | mkarnicki | !site |
| 16:48.13 | socinfo | "site" is http://socghop.appspot.com/ |
| 16:48.15 | mkarnicki | login here |
| 16:48.25 | tominwvc | thank you; I had done that before, but nothing happened |
| 16:48.27 | mkarnicki | select "Submit your student proposal" |
| 16:48.29 | dhaun | tominwvc: step 3 (optional): vote for this bug report: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=846 ;-) |
| 16:48.33 | mkarnicki | on the left |
| 16:48.40 | schumaml | advice for mentoring orgs: in case you're is wondering why your org still got only 5 proposals, try increasing the number of proposals per page.... |
| 16:48.42 | mkarnicki | you submited? |
| 16:48.55 | mkarnicki | schumaml: hahah :) |
| 16:49.10 | mkarnicki | tominwvc: have you been to "Submit your student proposal" ? |
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| 16:49.41 | mkarnicki | then u type the org name, when it pops up on the list, click it's name (not the 3rd column 'ideas') |
| 16:49.53 | mkarnicki | when u click the name, you have the form in front of you. |
| 16:50.19 | schumaml | I guess the default value (5) is google's way to favour the early birds among the students ;) |
| 16:51.00 | mkarnicki | schumaml: good one :) |
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| 16:51.31 | mkarnicki | schumaml: although I have compiled the wiki and discussed with the dev team (& mentor) for few days, and submitted yesterday |
| 16:52.00 | mkarnicki | schumaml: so early birds might not naturally be the good birdies :D |
| 16:52.17 | mkarnicki | (not that i'm perfect :d ) |
| 16:52.28 | kblin | schumaml: it's annoying that you need to do that every time you log on, though |
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| 16:52.50 | schumaml | I have to do it every time I open that page |
| 16:52.53 | mkarnicki | i'm off for now. good luck to all students |
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| 16:54.54 | emmanuelp | !timeline |
| 16:54.55 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 16:55.48 | carols | serves tea and cookies for everyone |
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| 16:56.16 | lbc | Haha, oh god. Somehow my abstract became over 2000 characters long. I have some cutting to do. |
| 16:56.34 | gevaerts | thanks carols and eats a cookie |
| 16:56.48 | carols | has some tea with geverts |
| 16:56.51 | carols | yum :-) |
| 16:57.03 | kblin | morning carols |
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| 16:57.14 | gsoc_Dushyant | the final coutdown |
| 16:57.14 | carols | morning kblin. how's your day treating you? |
| 16:57.19 | gsoc_Dushyant | \m/ |
| 16:57.23 | gsoc_Dushyant | \m/ |
| 16:57.56 | getxsick | 2 hours left, ami right? |
| 16:58.00 | shreyas | !next |
| 16:58.00 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 16:58.02 | Kosma | \â£/ |
| 16:58.05 | kblin | oh man.. that html email crossposting guy didn't get a clue even after I sent him an email asking to stop off-list :/ |
| 16:58.08 | wtachi | and two minutes |
| 16:58.10 | Kosma | benzene! |
| 16:58.23 | kblin | carols: not too bad, lots of work though |
| 16:58.36 | carols | kblin: which guy? there's so many they run together for me :-) |
| 16:58.51 | carols | kblin: me too. i fly to the netherlands tonight. lots to do before i go |
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| 17:00.05 | mayanks43 | <goosebumps> |
| 17:00.31 | merwok | Goddamned Melange application strips out HTML code elements that I had lovely added to the right places :/ |
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| 17:00.41 | mayanks43 | 1 @merwork |
| 17:00.45 | mayanks43 | I added |
| 17:00.50 | mayanks43 | 1 to table border |
| 17:00.57 | mayanks43 | and it changed it bk to |
| 17:00.58 | mayanks43 | 0 |
| 17:01.00 | mayanks43 | :-/ |
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| 17:01.32 | mayanks43 | there's so much competition |
| 17:01.35 | mayanks43 | :( |
| 17:01.42 | mayanks43 | <more goosebumps> |
| 17:02.09 | merwok | mayanks43 +1 |
| 17:02.22 | merwok | frantically reads and writes |
| 17:02.40 | lifeeth | throws in an IO error |
| 17:02.50 | Kosma | idles |
| 17:03.13 | mayanks43 | oh no |
| 17:03.17 | skbohra | rushed to submit app :/ |
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| 17:03.50 | dberkholz | carols: hi there! i'm curious whether i might be able to dig up proposal counts per org from last year. i'm running some data analysis on whatever numbers i can find, and those would be a nice addition |
| 17:03.56 | mayanks43 | very worried about last minute disclosures |
| 17:04.03 | schumaml | you do know that you can host more complicated stuff elsewhere and reference (as in 'bibliography') it in your application, right? |
| 17:04.24 | Reinout_Stevens | mayanks43: you still have 2 hours? |
| 17:04.30 | carols | dberkholz: why don't you email me and we can talk about it out of the channel? do you have my email? |
| 17:04.34 | mayanks43 | yup |
| 17:04.38 | mayanks43 | !countdown |
| 17:04.38 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 17:04.43 | dberkholz | carols: i'm sure it's in the list archives. =) |
| 17:04.58 | carols | dberklholz: i'm sure it is too. :-) nice to meet you, btw |
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| 17:05.19 | mayanks43 | !me thinks y did he have to apply for a project idea tht had so many applicants |
| 17:05.19 | socinfo | Error: "me" is not a valid command. |
| 17:05.25 | borja | hey carols... got a minute? |
| 17:05.36 | merwok | mayanks43, what do you mean with disclosures? |
| 17:05.42 | dberkholz | carols: you too! i hope to meet you in person sooner or later, but i'm a bit less active on the conference circuit since moving away from the west coast |
| 17:05.43 | carols | borja: yep, was just composing a reply to that email on the mentors list actually |
| 17:05.45 | mayanks43 | disclosures by the org |
| 17:05.53 | borja | carols: ah, ok, I'll just wait for that then :-) |
| 17:05.53 | mayanks43 | they just disclosed |
| 17:05.53 | xiainx | like.... |
| 17:06.00 | carols | dberkholz: sooner or later im sure our paths will cross :-) |
| 17:06.07 | dberkholz | carols: btw, have you discovered tab completion for irc nicks yet? |
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| 17:06.12 | carols | borja: sorry :-) i've been a little slow this morning :-) |
| 17:06.14 | mayanks43 | tht the toughest porject on their tray had very less appliants |
| 17:06.32 | carols | dberkholz: haven't, but now that you mention it i will check it out :-) |
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| 17:06.40 | dberkholz | try dber<tab> |
| 17:06.44 | borja | carols: no worries, things get crazy right before the student application deadline :-) |
| 17:06.54 | borja | <- sifting through all the last-minute proposals |
| 17:07.05 | carols | borja: you can say that again. ;-) also doesn't help that im flying to the netherlands this evening and had to get ready for that |
| 17:07.14 | borja | carols: yikes |
| 17:07.35 | carols | borja: par for the course with this job ;-) |
| 17:07.45 | carols | borja: but im getting to see the melange guys, so its not all bad :-) |
| 17:07.54 | borja | cool |
| 17:08.04 | borja | brb |
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| 17:10.01 | dberkholz | carols: btw, are you on the foundations mailing list? just googled you and came across your opensourcebridge talk |
| 17:10.19 | carols | dberklholz: no, i don't believe i am. send me the info? |
| 17:10.23 | carols | ah |
| 17:10.33 | carols | needs to learn the tab trick quick :-) |
| 17:10.40 | gevaerts | agrees :) |
| 17:10.52 | geoaxis | one more submitted |
| 17:10.58 | shreyas | how can i view other people's proposal |
| 17:11.07 | shreyas | is there a search bar somewhere |
| 17:11.11 | gevaerts | by being a mentor |
| 17:11.12 | dberkholz | carols: you should ask chris dibona about it -- you kinda need to get nominated for membership |
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| 17:11.36 | carols | dberkholz: cool, will do. thanks for the suggestion |
| 17:11.52 | crosvera | OMG the deadline is coming ! |
| 17:12.05 | shreyas | gevaerts: so i cant see how many ppl are applying for the same idea |
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| 17:12.26 | crosvera | !count |
| 17:12.27 | socinfo | Error: "count" is not a valid command. |
| 17:12.32 | crosvera | !counter |
| 17:12.32 | socinfo | Error: "counter" is not a valid command. |
| 17:12.38 | mmadia | !countdown |
| 17:12.38 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
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| 17:12.56 | Catfish_Man | shreyas: that would be sort of defeating the purpose of being able to see other people's proposals. We're not interested in helping people game the system, we're interested in helping people write good proposals |
| 17:13.00 | crosvera | =) |
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| 17:13.57 | schumaml | any bets on the amount of time it will take for the first "aaaah, I was just finishing my application" mails/comments after the deadline? |
| 17:14.03 | StevenC | shreyas: why would you want to do that? If you apply for something that genuinely interests you, mentoring orgs will get better proposals than if people only applied for projects where they know that they've got no competition |
| 17:14.39 | parcha | Hey, do we need anything more on our proposal other than having it marked by someone who's willing to mentor? (Couldn't find an answer to this on the userguide or FAQ) |
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| 17:15.21 | mayanks43 | tht makes it tuffer |
| 17:15.22 | mayanks43 | :( |
| 17:15.44 | skbohra | !countdown |
| 17:15.44 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 17:16.09 | mayanks43 | i spent 1 month after 1 org 1 proposal |
| 17:16.15 | mayanks43 | its either in or out |
| 17:16.23 | mayanks43 | <goosebumps> |
| 17:16.25 | Catfish_Man | skbohra: please don't repeat commands unnecessarily |
| 17:17.38 | lulzmonkey | mayanks43: alcohol usually helps |
| 17:17.52 | swa_k | so which organizations get the most applications?? |
| 17:18.01 | johnnyCbad | Anyone from the Creative Commons community here? |
| 17:18.21 | mayanks43 | lulzmonkey: yup but me dont drink :P |
| 17:18.28 | swa_k | anyone from berkman community?? |
| 17:18.47 | lulzmonkey | mayanks43: that's a bummer, how about some valium |
| 17:19.45 | schumaml | better skip those drugs |
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| 17:20.37 | anirudh | mayanks43 chocolate can help :P |
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| 17:20.47 | mayanks43 | yup |
| 17:21.47 | swa_k | I am not sure i heard somwhere last year out of 7000 apllicants roughly 1000 got selected |
| 17:21.54 | mayanks43 | :P |
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| 17:22.18 | mmadia | carols : here's a new UTC countdown for the 26th: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-accepted-students |
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| 17:22.35 | carols | thanks mmadia :-) |
| 17:22.39 | mmadia | and a possible text for !next: Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 17:22.53 | merwok | Oh, it's two weeks. I thought it was a month. |
| 17:22.56 | merwok | Good. |
| 17:22.59 | schumaml | what about the various deadlines on Arpil 21? |
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| 17:23.32 | nooga | !timeline |
| 17:23.32 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 17:25.11 | vikram_ | If I want to apply to 2 projects with the same mentoring organisation, do I need to apply as two applications or just one? |
| 17:25.12 | kimelto | morning! |
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| 17:25.40 | lolfrenz | !countdown |
| 17:25.40 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 17:25.44 | carols | vikram_: each project idea should get a separate proposal |
| 17:25.47 | xiainx | two applications |
| 17:26.03 | vikram_ | Thanks carols |
| 17:26.04 | skbohra | Catfish_Man: sorry |
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| 17:26.21 | dreimark | !next |
| 17:26.21 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 17:27.32 | merwok | Damn, I have to use the bathroom and I briefly considered waiting one hour for that. |
| 17:27.39 | Migi32 | that "withdraw" button, will it still be there after 7 o'clock today? |
| 17:27.46 | merwok | Deadline obsession. |
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| 17:28.04 | dreimark | .oO overload |
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| 17:28.44 | Kosma | I'm gonna feel so FREE once the deadline comes |
| 17:28.55 | SukhE | I second that. Hehe. |
| 17:29.21 | lolfrenz | I third that |
| 17:29.22 | mayanks43 | tru |
| 17:29.32 | mayanks43 | lemme fourth tht |
| 17:29.34 | mayanks43 | :P |
| 17:29.46 | Kosma | maybe I'll even ditch the computer for a while and do some darkroom work |
| 17:29.48 | Catfish_Man | if someone fifths that, I'm kicking them |
| 17:29.52 | mayanks43 | :D |
| 17:29.56 | qwerty360 | I wont... I will be wondering what I forgot to put into my proposals... :P |
| 17:30.00 | LawnGnome | This one goes to eleven. :P |
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| 17:30.14 | shreyas | can more than one student get selected for the same project |
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| 17:30.18 | Abhinav1 | !countdown |
| 17:30.18 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 17:30.31 | wtachi | 90 minutes left |
| 17:30.42 | Migi32 | tick tock |
| 17:30.49 | StevenC | shreyas: read the FAQ, it's all there |
| 17:30.51 | Migi32 | shreyas, I believe not |
| 17:30.57 | merwok | I don't need any more pressure, thanks. :p |
| 17:31.10 | Migi32 | but anyway, that "withdraw" button, will it still be there after 7 o'clock today? |
| 17:31.21 | mayanks43 | merwork go to the bt |
| 17:31.51 | Ademan | is there anything more I have to do before the deadline? I submitted my app to the PSF |
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| 17:32.04 | fisxoj | last revisions in, good luck everyone :) |
| 17:32.18 | Migi32 | Ademan, the proprietary software foundation? |
| 17:32.21 | wtachi | Ademan: as long as you've submitted at the GSoC site, you should be fine |
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| 17:32.50 | Catfish_Man | Abhinav1: you were in the channel the last 3 times !countdown was triggered, as far as I can tell |
| 17:32.53 | Catfish_Man | why would you do it again? |
| 17:33.41 | Ademan | Migi32: Python :-p |
| 17:33.46 | Migi32 | k :) |
| 17:33.59 | Abhinav1 | Catfish_Man: I am just checking the deadline :p |
| 17:34.02 | Ademan | wtachi: thanks, Catfish_Man as a mod, can you comment? am I "ok"? |
| 17:34.19 | Catfish_Man | Abhinav1: please use your scrollback instead of spamming next time |
| 17:34.25 | merwok | Ademan, what project are you applying for? |
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| 17:34.55 | Catfish_Man | Ademan: I believe you should be ok; my information is a little out of date though (I last participated directly in '08) |
| 17:35.15 | Abhinav1 | Catfish_Man: hmm sure :) |
| 17:35.25 | ajuonline | hands a bunch of fishes to Catfish_Man |
| 17:35.43 | Ademan | merwok: PyPy I'm kinda scared that the PSF won't approve of my proposal though, it's just another place to get rejected imho |
| 17:36.07 | Ademan | speaking of, I better double check that I've fulfilled everything they want to see on my proposal |
| 17:36.10 | Ademan | scrambles |
| 17:36.16 | nooga | !timeline |
| 17:36.16 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 17:36.21 | merwok | Ademan, what PyPy idea? |
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| 17:36.32 | cassarani | !countdown |
| 17:36.32 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
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| 17:37.24 | nooga | how many weeks do we have for coding? |
| 17:37.28 | Migi32 | 12 |
| 17:37.31 | Migi32 | 18 |
| 17:37.33 | nooga | 12 |
| 17:37.37 | nooga | hmm |
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| 17:37.46 | Migi32 | no sorry 18 |
| 17:38.06 | swa_k | yeah arnd 18 |
| 17:38.08 | ajuonline | 12 |
| 17:38.09 | wtachi | counted 11? |
| 17:38.28 | mayanks43 | start coding frm now |
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| 17:38.34 | bawr | So, what do you think? Will we see more proposals in the last hour or two than in the whole period before that? ;) |
| 17:38.36 | Migi32 | no wait I was confused. Disregard what I've said |
| 17:38.38 | mayanks43 | show them u r involved in ur project |
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| 17:38.58 | Migi32 | bawr, probably |
| 17:38.59 | ajuonline | Coding Phase I (May 24-July 16, 2010) 8 Weeks - Coding Phase II (July 17-August 16, 2010) 4 Weeks |
| 17:39.05 | ajuonline | isnt it? |
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| 17:39.08 | wtachi | bawr: yes. even the people who are prepared might not submit until the deadline |
| 17:39.09 | Ademan | merwok: http://codespeak.net/~dan/gsoc/micronumpy.html basically port a portion of NumPy to PyPy |
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| 17:39.33 | bawr | Now, I've just sent the final version of my proposal, but that was like the fifth iteration. :) |
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| 17:39.49 | Migi32 | link? |
| 17:40.01 | Migi32 | I'd like to read it |
| 17:40.05 | swa_k | oh my bad |
| 17:40.07 | dmj726_n9001 | any clue how many submissions we got this year? |
| 17:40.15 | swa_k | well i feel left out coz i revised jst once :) |
| 17:40.17 | bawr | http://bit.ly/bawr-gsoc |
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| 17:40.29 | ajuonline | dmj726_n9001: you get to know about that after deadline, |
| 17:40.32 | mayanks43 | must have crossed 7000 :-X |
| 17:40.43 | dmj726_n9001 | thanks |
| 17:41.00 | bawr | The number you want isn't the number of submissions. You want the number of submitters. ;P |
| 17:41.47 | merwok | Ademan, nice! |
| 17:42.04 | dmj726_n9001 | that's what I intended. |
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| 17:42.14 | ajuonline | both stats, come later :P |
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| 17:43.02 | domonoky | !next |
| 17:43.02 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 17:43.16 | Ademan | merwok: thanks! |
| 17:43.19 | IceGuest_75 | Does anyone know how profecient we should be to apply? |
| 17:43.25 | borja | hey carols, still around? |
| 17:43.32 | carols | borja: yes |
| 17:43.33 | IceGuest_75 | proficient* |
| 17:43.39 | bawr | Depends on the org. Just be honest with them. |
| 17:43.51 | Catfish_Man | IceGuest_75: proficient enough to accomplish the task you're applying for in three months, with a bit of guidance |
| 17:44.00 | swa_k | @iceguest_75 well dont u thnk its a little late for that question |
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| 17:44.11 | bawr | Migi32: I've linked it a few times before on #gsoc, so you might get a deja vu. :) |
| 17:44.18 | mf__ | It's never too late! |
| 17:44.40 | Migi32 | bawr, yeah I was around when you linked to it previously, but it's out of my scrollback history already :) |
| 17:45.07 | Ademan | merwok: did you see that the PSF wants our phone number? did you put it on your proposal? I can't believe they want us to publish it like that.... did they mean something else? |
| 17:45.31 | bawr | Heh, good point. I usually just grep for links, but then again, I'm a shell junkie. ;) |
| 17:45.52 | bawr | Ademan: You don't have to make your proposal public. |
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| 17:46.02 | bawr | Even if you do, only people who get the link will see it. |
| 17:46.13 | int3 | !countdown |
| 17:46.14 | socinfo | "countdown" is (#1) The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline, or (#2) Please use scrollback! The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline, or (#3) Please use scrollback, !countdown has been used before! The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010 (1 more message) |
| 17:46.15 | bawr | That, and mentors. |
| 17:46.30 | merwok | Ademan, I gave my phone number and didn't mark the application as public. |
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| 17:47.03 | jkwood | Having your contact information lets us track you down if you disappear for a week. |
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| 17:47.10 | LawnGnome | Ademan: I'm not involved with the PSF at all, but I'd say it's just so there's a backup form of communication available to them besides e-mail. I swapped phone numbers with my mentor when I did a project a few years back -- we never used the phone, but it was an extra just-in-case thing. |
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| 17:48.06 | merwok | Ademan, if you want to make your proposal public, add your phone in a private comment. |
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| 17:48.31 | Ademan | merwok: ah, that's smart... is there a compelling reason to make the proposal public? |
| 17:48.41 | x` | so guys |
| 17:48.42 | x` | all done? |
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| 17:48.47 | bawr | x`: Yup. |
| 17:48.48 | merwok | Ademan, none that I know of. |
| 17:48.53 | merwok | x`, no. |
| 17:48.58 | Ademan | I figured it was invisible to mentors until it was "public" not so? |
| 17:49.04 | jkwood | Egotism? |
| 17:49.04 | bawr | Ademan: You get to show it to people and get feedback. |
| 17:49.07 | x` | merwok: chop chop then |
| 17:49.12 | Catfish_Man | Ademan: no, mentors can always see it |
| 17:49.22 | Catfish_Man | public is for showing to other students, and mentors from other orgs |
| 17:49.27 | Catfish_Man | for feedback, or to show people how it's done :) |
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| 17:49.37 | Ademan | ah wonderful, I'm going to make it private then, the version on codespeak is much better looking anyways :-) |
| 17:49.39 | dberkholz | does ellen come on irc? i can't seem to remember |
| 17:49.40 | mayanks43 | âand proof reading |
| 17:49.43 | mayanks43 | :) |
| 17:49.43 | bawr | I know my proposal was better because of the feedback I got. And then I was showing people how timelines are done. ;) |
| 17:49.44 | gsoc_Dushyant | how do u see the applications that are made public |
| 17:49.58 | Catfish_Man | gsoc_Dushyant: the person needs to give you a link |
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| 17:50.02 | bawr | Ademan: It really doesn't matter if you don't give out the link yourself. |
| 17:50.21 | gsoc_Dushyant | shldnt there be a link for all the proposals made public |
| 17:50.35 | dreimark | !timeline |
| 17:50.35 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 17:50.41 | Catfish_Man | gsoc_Dushyant: there have been repeated attempts to use public proposals to gain some sort of advantage over people |
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| 17:50.48 | Catfish_Man | which, while dumb, is something we have to be wary of |
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| 17:51.34 | bawr | Basically, we'd see a flood of copy-paste applications. :/ |
| 17:51.34 | x` | Catfish_Man: well i sent my proposal to the mailing list of the org too, so whatever advantage could be gained by my "competition" was gained anyway ... |
| 17:51.49 | gsoc_Dushyant | ya thats true but the whole point of making public oufgt to be letting everyone gain from it |
| 17:51.56 | bawr | x`: A central listing is very much unlike that. |
| 17:51.57 | gsoc_Dushyant | and to get some feedback also |
| 17:52.06 | x` | bawr: point taken |
| 17:52.13 | gsoc_Dushyant | we also have an option to make it private |
| 17:52.15 | bawr | gsoc_Dushyant: And? You can decide where to post your app yourself. |
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| 17:52.34 | gsoc_Dushyant | thats true i made it public |
| 17:52.37 | bawr | If you want to see proposals of other people, ask them. It's that simple. |
| 17:52.40 | mayanks43 | gsoc_Dushyant : advantage wont be taken unless u give the link to ur rivals :P |
| 17:52.42 | Migi32 | I'm going to ask it one last time: will that "withdraw" button still be there after the deadline? |
| 17:52.44 | gsoc_Dushyant | but now i have to give link to all to see it |
| 17:53.05 | bawr | Migi32: Why would you need it after the deadline, anyway? |
| 17:53.08 | Ademan | Migi32: no idea, but why would you want to withdraw? |
| 17:53.12 | smtms | Migi32, it will |
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| 17:53.14 | Ademan | yeah what bawr said |
| 17:53.17 | bawr | gsoc_Dushyant: How is that hard? |
| 17:53.29 | Migi32 | bawr, because I'm not sure if I will apply. |
| 17:53.32 | gsoc_Dushyant | it is not at all hard |
| 17:53.46 | gsoc_Dushyant | but u r not seeing the point as i want to put it |
| 17:53.46 | SukhE | bawr: I had like to see your timeline since you mentioned it being awesome! |
| 17:53.49 | bawr | I mean, it took me all of 5 seconds. Make a bit.ly alias, spam it in #gsoc and in my org's IRC. :) |
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| 17:54.17 | dmj726_n9001 | Copycat applications don't really hurt the original because it's pretty obvious who has been working with the community the whole time. |
| 17:54.43 | bawr | I maintain that a certain listing would hurt *much* more than it would help anyone. |
| 17:54.44 | dmj726_n9001 | first mover advantage and all that. |
| 17:54.48 | bawr | *central |
| 17:55.08 | AshishG | is the soc app working |
| 17:55.21 | mayanks43 | yup |
| 17:55.29 | bawr | AshishG: Probably overloaded a bit by the swarms of people getting in at the last minutes. ;) |
| 17:55.29 | mayanks43 | i think so |
| 17:55.34 | swa_k | where do i find the stats of last year?? |
| 17:55.45 | dmj726_n9001 | I wouldn't want a central listing until the deadline at the least. |
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| 17:55.59 | AshishG | well then it's just my crappy net, not big change though :P |
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| 17:56.28 | bawr | Yeah, after the deadline, for proposals which explicitly allowed this, putting them in a central listing wouldn't be all bad, I guess. |
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| 17:56.56 | Ademan | is it true we can modify proposals after the deadline? |
| 17:57.03 | mkarnicki | Ademan: no |
| 17:57.12 | geoaxis | Ademan, only the summary i think |
| 17:57.13 | swa_k | Definetly no |
| 17:57.13 | mayanks43 | u can add comments |
| 17:57.14 | mkarnicki | but you will get feedback from the org u applied to |
| 17:57.27 | mkarnicki | geoaxis: u may be right, only abstract. |
| 17:57.58 | geoaxis | but i think its reasonable to assume that you can always revise your proposal and link it in comments |
| 17:58.11 | Ademan | maybe that's what my org meant |
| 17:58.40 | geoaxis | proposal is not written in stone as far as GSoC is concerned |
| 17:58.57 | geoaxis | all mine specifically state that we will re-evaluate the proposal before work begins |
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| 17:59.28 | geoaxis | can any one suggest a random org for me to send a proposal, we have one hour |
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| 18:00.00 | Taggnostr | hello |
| 18:00.13 | bawr | geoaxis: Well, it's your org that signs off the work as complete, so whatever you arrange with them is usually fine. Also, no. You should pick something *you* want. |
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| 18:00.23 | x` | IS THIS IT?!? :) |
| 18:00.33 | Diuturnal | crap crap |
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| 18:00.38 | x` | !countdown |
| 18:00.38 | socinfo | "countdown" is (#1) The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline, or (#2) Please use scrollback! The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline, or (#3) Please use scrollback, !countdown has been used before! The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student- (1 more message) |
| 18:00.45 | adimania | 60 minutes to go people! |
| 18:00.55 | Kosma | somebody silence him |
| 18:00.59 | tontoto | omg ;0 |
| 18:01.00 | geoaxis | bawr, hehe, how do you know if i will not want some thing that comes out random |
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| 18:01.21 | techshaddy | hello everyone |
| 18:01.23 | geoaxis | i have discovered atleast one interesting thing with random looking around |
| 18:01.30 | techshaddy | ihav aquestion |
| 18:01.36 | Catfish_Man | are people abusing the bot? |
| 18:01.44 | bawr | x`: Are *you* all done? |
| 18:01.48 | techshaddy | today is the last date of submittin application |
| 18:01.56 | x` | i am indeed |
| 18:02.01 | wtachi | sorry, i messed it up |
| 18:02.03 | wtachi | fixed now |
| 18:02.04 | adimania | Catfish_Man: Looks like it |
| 18:02.05 | bawr | techshaddy: You have one hour to submit your final version, yes. |
| 18:02.08 | techshaddy | till which time i can submitt my application |
| 18:02.19 | techshaddy | ok |
| 18:02.22 | techshaddy | thanx |
| 18:02.24 | Taggnostr | do I need some document when I apply and/or when my application gets accepted? will I have to sign some contract? |
| 18:02.33 | adimania | techshaddy: You have about an hour left. |
| 18:02.35 | bawr | !faq |
| 18:02.36 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
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| 18:03.09 | bawr | Taggnostr: In short... No, yes, no. |
| 18:03.16 | Alexandru_Criste | is there a clock |
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| 18:03.25 | Alexandru_Criste | which shows how much time is left |
| 18:03.31 | dev29aug | how much hours are left |
| 18:03.35 | Alexandru_Criste | yeah yeah |
| 18:03.36 | Catfish_Man | dev29aug: 1 |
| 18:03.40 | dev29aug | ok |
| 18:03.44 | Alexandru_Criste | there is one more hour? |
| 18:03.51 | bawr | One hour. Slightly less than one hour, in fact. |
| 18:03.55 | Alexandru_Criste | ok |
| 18:03.56 | Alexandru_Criste | thanks |
| 18:03.57 | Alexandru_Criste | :D |
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| 18:04.22 | nooga | 55 minutes left :D |
| 18:04.23 | Ademan | should I crank out a crappy proposal in an hour? (hah, took me more than a week to get this one going) |
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| 18:04.46 | adimania | Alexandru_Criste: This channel is acting as a clock right now :D |
| 18:05.14 | tontoto | if you have a week of research you might be able to make one in an hour |
| 18:05.34 | merwok | Taggnostr, you could be a mentor :) |
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| 18:05.37 | |Kev| | Ademan: no, a crappy application is just wasting your time and teh org's time. |
| 18:05.51 | |Kev| | s/teh/the/ |
| 18:06.15 | Taggnostr | merwok, then I'll need another clone |
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| 18:07.32 | merwok | Taggnostr, I meant you could be a mentor instead of a student :p |
| 18:07.41 | nooga | i could be dead |
| 18:07.48 | bawr | Ah, there. |
| 18:07.49 | nooga | i just finished my only proposal |
| 18:07.55 | nooga | and it's sooo crappy |
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| 18:08.14 | tontoto | I only did 1 proposal also, its makin me really nervous |
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| 18:08.16 | swa_k | @nooga u r not the only one with the best application |
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| 18:08.21 | Ademan | |Kev|: I was joking of course |
| 18:08.22 | nooga | ;] |
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| 18:08.39 | DrJoel | nooga: I am sure there is someone with a crappier application. ;) |
| 18:08.45 | Taggnostr | merwok, yes, but I also need to work this summer to get credits from the university |
| 18:08.52 | Ademan | nooga: yeah i'm not happy with my proposal either, but my possible mentor thinks it's "good enough" so, meh |
| 18:08.55 | |Kev| | Ademan: ok :) |
| 18:09.08 | YuviPanda | I too did just one :| |
| 18:09.08 | nooga | haha :D |
| 18:09.17 | swa_k | one for me too |
| 18:09.28 | nooga | what do you put in abstract? |
| 18:09.29 | merwok | Taggnostr, nice to get work, credits and money! |
| 18:09.30 | swa_k | nd guess what i applied to the mighty bekman |
| 18:09.44 | wtachi | feels better about writing only two |
| 18:09.48 | cronco | quick question: after the deadline, cand you modify your application? |
| 18:09.52 | cronco | or only add comments? |
| 18:09.53 | nooga | a shord description of idea? |
| 18:09.59 | Ademan | Taggnostr: my understanding is that you're pretty much supposed to *only* do GSoC if you want to do GSoC |
| 18:10.04 | YuviPanda | I put "The aim of the application is to help the users of Cheese get laid" |
| 18:10.07 | wtachi | cronco: no, comments only |
| 18:10.20 | Catfish_Man | YuviPanda: ah, you've read jwz's "groupware bad" paper then? |
| 18:10.25 | Ademan | YuviPanda: automatic angle selection? :-p |
| 18:10.30 | Taggnostr | Ademan, I do |
| 18:10.34 | YuviPanda | Catfish_Man: yes, put a link to that too :D |
| 18:10.38 | cronco | aw man |
| 18:10.42 | merwok | Ademan, the FAQ states that using your GSoC work to get credits is ok. |
| 18:10.54 | cronco | don't know who missinformed me that you could edit it afterwards |
| 18:11.05 | Ademan | merwok: oh, sure, I thought he was saying he was working *and* doing gsoc, which I thought wasn't ok |
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| 18:11.21 | Ademan | shuts up to avoid further embarassment |
| 18:11.22 | Catfish_Man | YuviPanda: I mentioned it (and asked the manager of the team to read it) when interviewing for the iCal team at Apple |
| 18:11.26 | Catfish_Man | they apparently didn't approve ;) |
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| 18:11.33 | merwok | cronco, I got the same info and learned better only today :/ |
| 18:11.47 | YuviPanda | Catfish_Man: hopefully, GNOME is a bit more 'open' ;) |
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| 18:12.12 | YuviPanda | Catfish_Man: Also, iCal team not finding that cool = ugh |
| 18:12.13 | wtachi | merwok, cronco: the org *could* set up a separate way to modify proposals, but it's unlikely |
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| 18:12.17 | nooga | so what's with that abstract? :D |
| 18:12.17 | codestasher | lh is now a twitter spammer :) |
| 18:12.32 | Catfish_Man | YuviPanda: meh, people are people. Not all of them are awesome enough :) |
| 18:12.33 | |Kev| | Yes, but she posts to identi.ca too, so that's fine. |
| 18:12.37 | mayanks43 | :) |
| 18:12.38 | Catfish_Man | I ended up on a more interesting team anyway |
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| 18:13.05 | CiswatiC | i stay in a different time zone so, can somebody tell me how many hours have i got? please |
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| 18:13.06 | YuviPanda | Catfish_Man: and what team would that be? |
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| 18:13.17 | mkarnicki | !timeline |
| 18:13.17 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 18:13.19 | mkarnicki | ^ |
| 18:13.23 | mkarnicki | aa sorry |
| 18:13.30 | mkarnicki | the deadline clock is not there.. wait |
| 18:13.37 | mayanks43 | its countdown |
| 18:13.37 | YuviPanda | CiswatiC: http://www.google.co.in/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=utc+time will give you current UTC |
| 18:13.39 | mkarnicki | what was that commannd? |
| 18:13.43 | mkarnicki | !countdown |
| 18:13.43 | socinfo | "countdown" is Please use scrollback, !countdown has been used before! The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 18:13.55 | mkarnicki | thanks mayanks43 |
| 18:14.03 | mayanks43 | :) |
| 18:14.06 | mkarnicki | CiswatiC ^ |
| 18:14.24 | SukhE | date -u on your terminal will give UTC |
| 18:14.31 | mayanks43 | date -u |
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| 18:14.36 | mayanks43 | :P |
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| 18:15.02 | mkarnicki | SukhE: thanks, neat. |
| 18:15.06 | CiswatiC | wat is the deadline time in GMT format |
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| 18:15.14 | nathanfowora | !deadline |
| 18:15.15 | socinfo | "deadline" is see !timeline |
| 18:15.27 | nathanfowora | !timeline |
| 18:15.28 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 18:15.58 | anirvana | hi |
| 18:16.02 | _sk | Hi |
| 18:16.07 | adimania | hi |
| 18:16.13 | anirvana | Can anyone tell me the meaning of "private reviews"? |
| 18:16.20 | anirvana | Can a student view them? |
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| 18:16.37 | mlankhorst | use the tooltip? |
| 18:16.37 | mmadia | no. only that org's admins & mentors can view them anirvana. |
| 18:17.04 | _sk | is there anything to do after submitting proposal |
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| 18:17.25 | sudiptamondal | How much time is left for the application deadline |
| 18:17.27 | wtachi | _sk: be prepared to respond to comments |
| 18:17.35 | anirvana | mmadia : Thanks! |
| 18:17.39 | firc | sudiptamondal, about 30 mins |
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| 18:17.52 | wtachi | 40 mins, but don't wait until the last few |
| 18:17.56 | YuviPanda | wtachi: comments on the soc site, or IRC/mail, etc? |
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| 18:18.15 | anirvana | btw how much time is left to submit the proposal? |
| 18:18.26 | wtachi | YuviPanda: comments in response to the proposal. if you click "public view" you can see the space at the bottom |
| 18:18.26 | LetterRip | !countdown |
| 18:18.26 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 18:18.30 | swa_k | arnd 40 mins to go |
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| 18:18.43 | YuviPanda | wtachi: k |
| 18:18.51 | firc | thats exactly when the site freezes due to a flurry of last minute application :D |
| 18:19.08 | LawG | Just read the 'groupware bad' article, good stuff ;] |
| 18:19.24 | mayanks43 | link? |
| 18:19.36 | firc | google.com :p |
| 18:19.40 | _sk | wtachi:anything else to do after deadline other than waiting for results? |
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| 18:19.53 | patrick42h | just applied. wish me luck! :D |
| 18:19.58 | LetterRip | _sk start coding :) |
| 18:20.01 | mayanks43 | atb |
| 18:20.04 | dev29aug | should I write the details rite there in the template of the orgnisation ? |
| 18:20.16 | merwok | I must have luck, I keep updating my timeline every twenty minutes and the site still works. |
| 18:20.20 | dhaun | _sk: check for comments - your org may still have questions |
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| 18:21.36 | _sk | dhaun:where can i see the comments |
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| 18:21.50 | dhaun | under your application |
| 18:22.10 | dhaun | subscribe to updates, then you'll get an email |
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| 18:22.43 | _sk | dhaun:there is no comments for my proposal. is that good or bad? |
| 18:23.01 | dhaun | depends on the org |
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| 18:23.05 | emmanuelp | do you guys think that sending the exact same proposal to 2 different organisations is wrong, even if I think the proposal is relevant to both, and if I am making crystal clear that I sent the application to both because of this in the proposal itself? |
| 18:23.15 | merwok | emmanuelp |
| 18:23.19 | merwok | !advice |
| 18:23.19 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 18:24.06 | emmanuelp | yeah I know about: Tailor your application to the project. It is painfully obvious when someone copies/pastes parts (or even the entirety) of an applications to multiple organizations. This can be seen from a mile away, and it is a sure-fire way for your application to not be taken seriously. Each application you send should be targeted and tailored for the specific mentoring organization and project to which you are applying. |
| 18:24.18 | LetterRip | emmanuelp: as long as the orgs both feel it is relevant |
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| 18:24.24 | LetterRip | then no it is not 'wrong' |
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| 18:24.43 | emmanuelp | the thing is, what If truly believe the application itself is relevant to both orgs as-is, I mean this is like a grey area where 2 orgs might be interested |
| 18:24.56 | LetterRip | then just submit it as is |
| 18:25.06 | LetterRip | if the org doesn't think it relevant |
| 18:25.09 | LetterRip | it will be rejected |
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| 18:25.28 | DrJoel | emmanuelp: we have a couple of those this year and coordinated with the other orgs to get mentors from both. |
| 18:25.49 | emmanuelp | should I specify inside the application that I sent it to both (I don't want them to think that I was too lazy and just copy-pasted etc) |
| 18:25.50 | LetterRip | DrJoel - hmm how does that work? |
| 18:25.58 | emmanuelp | nice! |
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| 18:26.04 | LetterRip | for instance ptex is relevant to Blender and openimageio |
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| 18:27.06 | sudhanshu | time clock for final submission |
| 18:27.07 | sudhanshu | ? |
| 18:27.07 | carlasouza | !countdown |
| 18:27.07 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 18:27.16 | Catfish_Man | YuviPanda: sorry about the delay; had actual work stuff to do ;) |
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| 18:27.19 | Catfish_Man | YuviPanda: I work on Cocoa |
| 18:27.35 | YuviPanda | Catfish_Man: :O cool! |
| 18:27.40 | AshishG | work melange, work |
| 18:27.51 | YuviPanda | Catfish_Man: can't afford a Mac, so been tryin out some objective-C on linux :( |
| 18:28.12 | AshishG | YuviPanda: hackintosh? |
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| 18:28.33 | YuviPanda | ashish: That's the next stop ;) |
| 18:28.36 | Catfish_Man | YuviPanda: sometimes I wish GNUStep got more attention |
| 18:28.39 | j-b | hello |
| 18:28.44 | Catfish_Man | hi j-b |
| 18:28.56 | YuviPanda | AshishG: exams comin up, end on may. When I get the time, hackintosh! |
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| 18:29.01 | j-b | Hello adium master |
| 18:29.06 | j-b | :) |
| 18:29.09 | YuviPanda | Catfish_Man: and last time I checked it was pretty crap (alteast the apps that came with it) |
| 18:29.28 | j-b | Do you have more apps than last year? or less? |
| 18:29.28 | AshishG | :-o |
| 18:29.35 | Catfish_Man | j-b: former, I'm afraid. Adium isn't participating this year |
| 18:29.49 | AshishG | :'( |
| 18:29.57 | Migi32 | 30 minutes people :) |
| 18:30.22 | jpirie23 | migi32: 30 minutes, the time where you thank god you learned Dvorak ;) |
| 18:30.24 | mayanks43 | :fear: |
| 18:30.37 | tontoto | zxcvbn |
| 18:30.42 | wtachi | let's have a race to see who can be accepted with the latest proposal |
| 18:30.46 | carols | serves more tea and cookies and takes a breather from email for a second |
| 18:30.51 | carols | chomps a cookie |
| 18:30.56 | AshishG | my list isn't loading |
| 18:30.57 | carols | glad its friday. |
| 18:31.00 | AshishG | :'( |
| 18:31.01 | Migi32 | lol wtachi I'm not going to risk that :) |
| 18:31.06 | aghisla | missing the cookie time!! |
| 18:31.07 | Declination | out of curiosity, how will we be notified if we are accepted? |
| 18:31.13 | aghisla | handles more cookies |
| 18:31.17 | AshishG | and when it did, and that too after 37 mintues, i clicke d the wrong link |
| 18:31.30 | tontoto | the tea, it burnsssss |
| 18:31.31 | AshishG | :(( |
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| 18:31.39 | kusum | !countdown |
| 18:31.40 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 18:31.51 | AshishG | :x |
| 18:32.14 | YuviPanda | anyone read mine and gimme last minute feedback? http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/show/google/gsoc2010/yuvipanda/t127076480029 |
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| 18:32.29 | YuviPanda | got a lot of it in #cheese (i'm applying for GNOME), but still.. |
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| 18:32.38 | geoaxis | ok i am officially done |
| 18:32.39 | wtachi | AshishG: random thought: try a different browser? |
| 18:32.46 | sanjoyd | Are we allowed to modify our proposal after the deadline? |
| 18:33.01 | YuviPanda | sanjoyd: no |
| 18:33.06 | YuviPanda | sanjoyd: only comments |
| 18:33.10 | sanjoyd | YuviPanda, Thanks! |
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| 18:33.19 | felipevieira | sanjoyd: i think you can. |
| 18:33.24 | AshishG | wtachi: good idea, trying |
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| 18:33.58 | Declination | that seems like a lot of work YuviPanda. you must be epic coder |
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| 18:34.39 | AshishG | :D |
| 18:34.45 | AshishG | i am going crzy now |
| 18:34.48 | AshishG | it's official |
| 18:34.55 | YuviPanda | Declination: sarcasm? my detector's broken |
| 18:34.58 | sudiptamondal | I sent only one proposal to cc that too 2 pages long |
| 18:35.01 | merwok | count me in |
| 18:35.16 | sudiptamondal | i am really going crazy now, i wonder if i have done it correcttly or not |
| 18:35.18 | Declination | not sarcasm, it does seem like a lot of work |
| 18:35.21 | Declination | i am impressed |
| 18:35.39 | akurei | Don't worry guys, I wrot eonly about one page of text =) |
| 18:35.50 | akurei | So you guys probably all have better applications |
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| 18:36.05 | akurei | =D YuviPanda's text is awesome though |
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| 18:36.26 | Declination | YuviPanda: I remember the code base and I would think 1 and 2 would be epically difficult |
| 18:36.35 | Declination | i salute you sir for being ambitious |
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| 18:37.47 | dev29aug | time ? |
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| 18:38.07 | sudiptamondal | I have applied for a completely revamp of idea of the organisation that i am applying for, and I havent even asked them earlier if cuh a proposal can be considered, I have doen good amoutn of research in this, But I wonder if I should have asked the mentoring Organisation somethign else abotu it |
| 18:38.07 | YuviPanda | Declination: straight porting of only the UI bits between two languages that are built to be compatible (C/glib -> Vala) shouldn't be termed that ambitious, no? |
| 18:38.30 | epps | !timeline |
| 18:38.30 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 18:39.01 | carols | sudiptamondal: do they have an IRC channel? you could ask them in IRC right now |
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| 18:39.02 | emmanuelp | argh is the GSoC app online? it just timed out twice on me |
| 18:39.10 | wtachi | yes, it's working here |
| 18:39.17 | wtachi | somewhat slowly, but quite usable |
| 18:39.20 | ajuonline | emmanuelp: benefits of trying to apply in the last moment. |
| 18:39.20 | carols | emmanuelp: |
| 18:39.24 | carols | works for me |
| 18:39.35 | emmanuelp | thanks, working again, damn ISP :) |
| 18:39.40 | dhaun | emmanuelp: that's why waiting until the last minute is usually a bad idea :P |
| 18:39.42 | YuviPanda | I posted this almost 20 hours ago. Am I abnormal? :| |
| 18:39.54 | dev29aug | how much time ? |
| 18:39.54 | sudiptamondal | carols: but so less amount of time is left I do no think that would be very helpful |
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| 18:39.56 | Catfish_Man | ok, lunchtime. Play nice kids, and don't abuse the bot |
| 18:40.00 | emmanuelp | yeah this was a last time application, I woke up this morning inspired with a new idea :P |
| 18:40.01 | Declination | YuviPanda: no, you're not, I posted mine yesterday as well |
| 18:40.06 | ajuonline | dev29aug: around 20 minutes? |
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| 18:40.10 | Declination | and I thought I was pushing the deadline |
| 18:40.11 | carols | sudiptamondal: fair enough. up to you. :-) |
| 18:40.14 | dev29aug | ok |
| 18:40.19 | AshishG | less than 20 |
| 18:40.28 | YuviPanda | Declination: ah, okay :) |
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| 18:40.52 | Declination | YuviPanda: it just means us paranoid folks can sit around and chuckle at the last minute flurry of activity |
| 18:41.07 | xiainx | chuckles |
| 18:41.12 | carols | sips tea and hangs out on the open source couch |
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| 18:41.24 | ajuonline | corwhere is the code hosted? |
| 18:41.24 | YuviPanda | Declination: ;) Also, my area is known for long periods of unscheduled power cuts that suddenly happen once a month or so and last for 6-8 hours ;) |
| 18:41.30 | dberkholz | carols: are you noticing that the overall proposal count is much higher than last year? |
| 18:41.32 | LetterRip | you've opensourced your couch |
| 18:41.37 | LetterRip | is that like couchsurfing? :) |
| 18:41.46 | erlehmann | if i save my proposal now, will it be proper ? |
| 18:41.49 | YuviPanda | eats some chocolate biscuits |
| 18:41.55 | carols | dberkholz: yes, in fact we are. i think we will have more apps this year, but I am holding out conclusions until the deadline :-) |
| 18:41.56 | sudiptamondal | carol: posted in the irc |
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| 18:42.01 | carols | !couch |
| 18:42.01 | socinfo | "couch" is open source couch on which to chill |
| 18:42.03 | erlehmann | or are there any additional steps to take to make it a proper porposal ? |
| 18:42.03 | ajuonline | carols: where is the code hosted? |
| 18:42.06 | dberkholz | carols: we've got almost 60% more apps and i'm unsure how many slots to request |
| 18:42.12 | Declination | chocolate biscuits sounds intruiging |
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| 18:42.20 | ajuonline | dberkholz: which org? |
| 18:42.22 | dberkholz | we could theoretically mentor every one of our ideas but i want to be reasonable |
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| 18:42.25 | dberkholz | ajuonline: gentoo |
| 18:42.27 | carols | ajuonline: in the family room? i dont know :-) |
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| 18:42.56 | carols | dberkholz: you should request what you can handle, regardless of the number of apps you get, methinks :-) |
| 18:43.01 | LetterRip | dberkholz: if you want fewer applicants it is easy to do - add a 'must submit a patch' requirement |
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| 18:43.08 | dberkholz | LetterRip: we already have one |
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| 18:43.11 | ajuonline | dberkholz: killerx ftw! :P |
| 18:43.12 | dberkholz | among other requirements |
| 18:43.24 | LetterRip | dberkholz: which project? |
| 18:43.31 | dberkholz | LetterRip: gentoo |
| 18:43.35 | LetterRip | ah fun |
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| 18:43.54 | dberkholz | carols: sounds good. one for each unique idea, then, since we've got a couple of proposals per idea. |
| 18:44.01 | AshishG | whoever suggested a different broswer: it worked |
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| 18:44.10 | carols | dberkholz: sounds reasonable to me |
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| 18:44.32 | ArthurLiu | dear students: in an alternate reality, you have submitted your proposal well in advance, spread out over the student application period, minimizing the peak load on the socghop webapp |
| 18:44.33 | carols | SRabbelier: you around? |
| 18:44.36 | aoszkar | !next |
| 18:44.37 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 18:44.38 | ArthurLiu | we are not in this reality |
| 18:44.39 | dberkholz | i was really surprised, actually. wonder what happened to get so many more students applying |
| 18:44.45 | LetterRip | ArthurLiu: heheh |
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| 18:44.55 | mayanks43 | 900 secs to go |
| 18:44.57 | jmole | so the deadline is in 15 minutes? |
| 18:44.58 | dberkholz | we had 33 proposals last year, this year we're at 54 ... and expect another 1-2 to show up |
| 18:45.05 | Wolf_OSGeo | 15 minutes to go! |
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| 18:45.12 | dreimark | !stats |
| 18:45.12 | socinfo | "stats" is (#1) http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm, or (#2) EXPERIMENTAL http://lfowles.org/pysg/stats/%23gsoc/ |
| 18:45.13 | carols | jmole: yes |
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| 18:45.33 | LetterRip | dberkholz: could be better 'advertising' |
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| 18:45.48 | Landon | .me would like it if someone with BOT-FU would remove factoid #2 from !stats |
| 18:46.06 | LetterRip | ie more students hearing about gsoc in general or your project in particular |
| 18:46.15 | gsoc_Dushyant | who applied for 20 ? |
| 18:46.21 | dberkholz | i was kinda hoping that gentoo was just amazingly awesome, but it seems like everyone's getting a lot more. =P |
| 18:46.27 | Wolf_OSGeo | wow we're at 56! :D |
| 18:46.27 | Migi32 | dberkholz, it's quite easy. More money involved = more people :) |
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| 18:46.45 | erlehmann | have I applied if my proposal is listed under âList my Student Proposals â ? |
| 18:46.52 | erlehmann | or is there anything i should do ? |
| 18:47.00 | Migi32 | erlehmann, yes |
| 18:47.04 | Migi32 | and no |
| 18:47.05 | erlehmann | Migi32, thx. |
| 18:47.05 | dberkholz | Migi32: i must have missed the money conversation. did someone say there would be twice as many slots this year as last year? |
| 18:47.19 | Landon | !stats |
| 18:47.20 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 18:47.22 | LetterRip | dberkholz: hmm i certainly haven't heard about that |
| 18:47.25 | mikv | dberkholz: which org are you representing? |
| 18:47.29 | swa_k | the slots are the same as the last year |
| 18:47.34 | dberkholz | mikv: gentoo |
| 18:47.37 | gsoc_Dushyant | Error: Server Error |
| 18:47.37 | gsoc_Dushyant | The server encountered an error and could not complete your request. |
| 18:47.37 | gsoc_Dushyant | If the problem persists, please report your problem and mention this error message and the query that caused it. |
| 18:47.45 | Migi32 | dberkholz, no I'm just referring to the fact that there's $5000 this year instead of $4500 |
| 18:48.00 | dberkholz | oh, that money. i can't imagine that difference would cause such a huge jump |
| 18:48.17 | Gracenotes | okay everyone, time to start writing your proposals |
| 18:48.18 | swa_k | i agree with dberkholz |
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| 18:48.40 | drt24 | This year everyone is going argh I can't get a job, I should do GSoC and then maybe I will be able to get a job. |
| 18:48.47 | LetterRip | dberkholz: i'm guessing retaining most of last years particpiants |
| 18:49.06 | LetterRip | drt24 definitely a possibility :) |
| 18:49.15 | x` | synchronize watches! |
| 18:49.16 | LetterRip | we are getting lots of masters students applying this year |
| 18:49.37 | AshishG | :-o |
| 18:49.39 | jmole | yeah i'm starting a masters program next year |
| 18:49.43 | TobiasFar | what do you guys mean with the split of IM network and IM handle? would a simple xmpp URI in the IM network field be okay for the system? |
| 18:49.43 | gsoc_Dushyant | o |
| 18:49.44 | swa_k | i thought only undergraduates were allowed |
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| 18:49.57 | smtms | LetterRip, this would mean they aren't getting internships |
| 18:50.03 | dberkholz | swa_k: around 1/3 of gsoc participants are grad students |
| 18:50.11 | sekhar | Is it required to check the "make public" box? |
| 18:50.13 | AshishG | under 10mins :) |
| 18:50.16 | jmole | yeah the internship market is pretty crap this year |
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| 18:50.25 | gsoc_Dushyant | 600 |
| 18:50.29 | gsoc_Dushyant | 599 |
| 18:50.29 | nirmal | sek |
| 18:50.29 | jmole | pretty slim showing at the career fair this year |
| 18:50.31 | gsoc_Dushyant | 588 |
| 18:50.36 | Gracenotes | ssshhhh |
| 18:50.37 | AshishG | jmole: SoC != internship |
| 18:50.40 | Migi32 | done :D |
| 18:50.41 | nirmal | sekhar: yes |
| 18:50.42 | LetterRip | smtms actually the masters all sound like they are going on to PhDs mostly |
| 18:50.44 | sekhar | ok |
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| 18:50.49 | Gracenotes | you can just copy and paste your application as a Google Document, really |
| 18:50.54 | LetterRip | and just want to do something fun over the summer |
| 18:50.58 | sanjoyd | gsoc_Dushyant, are counting seconds? |
| 18:51.11 | Gracenotes | no need to make it public in the gsoc app itself |
| 18:51.17 | Gracenotes | ..although I did so anyway |
| 18:51.31 | geoaxis | LetterRip, GSoC is fun yes, but also work |
| 18:51.53 | LetterRip | geoaxis - blender is an extra helping of fun |
| 18:52.01 | swa_k | yeah i so want this project coz of the exposure and experience one gets |
| 18:52.02 | Migi32 | one thing, if you get accepted and fail, does this get publicly announced? Just to be sure that I don't destroy my career yet :) |
| 18:52.19 | smtms | Migi32, it will be in all local newspapers |
| 18:52.25 | geoaxis | Migi32, no it wont |
| 18:52.26 | summatusmentis | it's not "announced" |
| 18:52.33 | summatusmentis | if someone cared enough to find out, they could |
| 18:52.33 | geoaxis | but it does not matter |
| 18:52.37 | smtms | Migi32, and Google will return it as a first result when someone searches for your name |
| 18:52.44 | summatusmentis | but it's not listed anywhere |
| 18:52.46 | LetterRip | Migi32 - probably no one will no but if someone looks they will find out |
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| 18:52.52 | LetterRip | know |
| 18:53.05 | geoaxis | Migi32, you are far better by applying |
| 18:53.11 | geoaxis | there are so many who dont care |
| 18:53.21 | merwok | I'm done. |
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| 18:53.25 | mayanks43 | rude @ smtms |
| 18:53.29 | smtms | maybe failures should be public |
| 18:53.33 | sudhanshu | 390 seconds are left |
| 18:53.37 | YuviPanda | anyone from GNOME here? any idea how many applications are in with that? |
| 18:53.40 | smtms | mayanks43, grow a sense of humour, please |
| 18:53.41 | summatusmentis | and quite frankly "I applied, was accepted, and didn't fully succeed" isn't a bad thing to say to an interviewer |
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| 18:53.59 | summatusmentis | particularly if you're honest about why you didn't succeed, and what you should have done differently |
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| 18:54.16 | swa_k | yea better thn i nvr applied coz i tht i'd nvr be accepted |
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| 18:54.32 | jpirie23 | summatusmentis: agreed. Popular interview question: When was the last time you failed and how did you come back from that? |
| 18:54.36 | LetterRip | I think orgs have gotten good at weeding out the 'highly likely to fail' candidates |
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| 18:54.51 | swa_k | anyone has an idea how popular berkman is in terms of applications?? |
| 18:54.54 | dagvadorj | Do we have to set the make public option in the proposal submit form checked in order to let the organizations able to see our proposals? |
| 18:55.02 | Migi32 | swa_k, wow, about 2 words of that were fully written out :) time pressure? |
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| 18:55.14 | smtms | dagvadorj, no |
| 18:55.16 | LetterRip | dagvadorj: no i think that just lets other students see it |
| 18:55.17 | AshishG | dagvadorj: don't think so |
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| 18:55.27 | LetterRip | and the rest of the public |
| 18:55.33 | cheukchuen1 | 5 minutes left |
| 18:55.39 | AshishG | i think i am seeing smtms from the day i joined this channel |
| 18:55.40 | gpolo | if you can guess the public url :) |
| 18:55.50 | x` | yes, so our watches *are* synchronized |
| 18:56.15 | swa_k | 240 sec |
| 18:56.17 | sixcorners | well.. I guess it's time to submit.. : \ |
| 18:56.19 | wtachi | submits a third proposal |
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| 18:56.25 | Migi32 | also, wow, so many people here |
| 18:56.26 | gpolo | this "make public" option turns the application public after it has been accepted or can I give the link to someone else and she will be able to see it ? |
| 18:56.31 | AshishG | wtachi: :-o |
| 18:56.32 | Sergio | 3 minutes and 28 seconds left |
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| 18:56.41 | dreimark | !countdown |
| 18:56.41 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 18:56.43 | AshishG | i submitted only 1 |
| 18:56.49 | sudhanshu | 200 seconds |
| 18:56.52 | swa_k | same here ashishg |
| 18:57.07 | LetterRip | pretty sure we can all follow the countdown by ourselves :) |
| 18:57.09 | Gangadhar | 3:00 minutes.. countdown |
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| 18:57.36 | cheukchuen | gpolo, "make public" allows people with GSoC account registered to be able to view your proposals, including students |
| 18:57.42 | cassarani | !countdown |
| 18:57.42 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 18:57.54 | Wolf_OSGeo | I pitty the fool who tries to submit within the last 5 minutes |
| 18:57.57 | dev29aug | only 3 minutes ? |
| 18:58.02 | swa_k | 120 secs to go |
| 18:58.04 | Migi32 | Wolf_OSGeo, that would be me :) |
| 18:58.04 | allisterb | summatusmentis: hey I sent a proposal to OpenAFS ! |
| 18:58.08 | sixcorners | heh.. and me |
| 18:58.23 | Wolf_OSGeo | why leave it to the last seconds? |
| 18:58.28 | dev29aug | I submitted total 3 proposals . |
| 18:58.28 | Wolf_OSGeo | doesn't get it |
| 18:58.29 | gpolo | cheukchuen: do you know then if after it has been accepted if it will be fully displayed ? |
| 18:58.30 | summatusmentis | allisterb: \o/ |
| 18:58.32 | sixcorners | : \ |
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| 18:58.39 | summatusmentis | allisterb: what project? |
| 18:58.39 | swa_k | any wild guesses of no. of proposals submitted this year?? |
| 18:58.44 | x` | when do we get the stats, guys? the stats! |
| 18:58.44 | mayanks43 | 7000 |
| 18:58.44 | jpirie23 | person to submit in the last 5 seconds gets a badge |
| 18:58.52 | Migi32 | :) |
| 18:58.52 | AshishG | wow high activity here |
| 18:58.53 | AshishG | nice |
| 18:58.57 | swa_k | that was last year |
| 18:59.00 | sudhanshu | 60 seconds |
| 18:59.06 | AshishG | muhahaha |
| 18:59.06 | mayanks43 | 1 minute |
| 18:59.07 | swa_k | i guess arnd 10,000 |
| 18:59.09 | mayanks43 | :fear: |
| 18:59.09 | AshishG | less |
| 18:59.10 | Alex_H | numbers have been going up, I would be willing to bet it is closer to 10000 |
| 18:59.12 | cheukchuen | gpolo: no, unless u pass the link to those who are registered as students |
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| 18:59.20 | gpolo | cheukchuen: ah, great. thanks |
| 18:59.20 | dev29aug | whats correct time left? |
| 18:59.21 | allisterb | summatusmentis: it was my own idea - to complete the Windows client GUI |
| 18:59.27 | merwok | fixed one typo one minute before countdown end |
| 18:59.27 | cheukchuen | they will be able to c ur proposal even after deadline |
| 18:59.27 | sudhanshu | best of luck bhailogo |
| 18:59.30 | AshishG | 30 s |
| 18:59.34 | swa_k | @alex great minds think alike |
| 18:59.43 | climatewarrior | good luck to everydody! |
| 18:59.47 | Alex_H | @swa_k: that they do |
| 18:59.48 | nsm | sudhanshu: bhailogo :D |
| 18:59.48 | AshishG | good luck |
| 18:59.51 | mayanks43 | 10 secs |
| 18:59.51 | borja | 10s! |
| 18:59.52 | Migi32 | 10 seconds :) |
| 18:59.53 | jpirie23 | starts proposal |
| 18:59.54 | mayanks43 | :fear: |
| 18:59.57 | lolfrenz | TIME'S UP, GUYS |
| 18:59.59 | AshishG | 1 |
| 19:00.00 | cheukchuen | phew... deadline reach |
| 19:00.00 | sudhanshu | finish |
| 19:00.01 | Migi32 | 0 |
| 19:00.02 | Taggnostr | the 'mailto:' links don't seem to work |
| 19:00.02 | swa_k | happy new year |
| 19:00.03 | AshishG | yey |
| 19:00.04 | Gangadhar | timeup! |
| 19:00.14 | cassarani | time's up :) |
| 19:00.15 | sixcorners | submit now? |
| 19:00.16 | gpolo | deadline has been delayed, one extra week |
| 19:00.17 | x` | that was fun |
| 19:00.18 | sixcorners | heh.. jk |
| 19:00.18 | mayanks43 | yoyo |
| 19:00.19 | gpolo | :) |
| 19:00.21 | schumaml | 2 minutes until the first complaint. more? less? bets are on |
| 19:00.22 | Migi32 | lol |
| 19:00.22 | lunaticare | ewoooo! |
| 19:00.23 | YuviPanda | someone bring out the beer! |
| 19:00.23 | Diuturnal | crap |
| 19:00.23 | AshishG | the timmer restarted |
| 19:00.25 | AshishG | on that site |
| 19:00.25 | Gangadhar | hahaha ! |
| 19:00.26 | lolfrenz | go mentors go |
| 19:00.26 | carols | serves sparkling cider and cookies to everyone |
| 19:00.27 | YuviPanda | okay, not yet. |
| 19:00.28 | summatusmentis | allisterb: cool :) |
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| 19:00.33 | x` | i have the wine guys! |
| 19:00.34 | Crofton | rofl |
| 19:00.37 | AshishG | oh wait |
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| 19:00.40 | *** mode/#gsoc [+m] by danderson |
| 19:00.44 | danderson | quiet. |
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| 19:01.32 | carols | paging SRabbelier. SRabbelier to the courtesy telephone, please |
| 19:01.33 | danderson | I know you're all excited, but please try to keep the signal to noise ratio above 1, thanks |
| 19:01.37 | *** mode/#gsoc [-m] by danderson |
| 19:01.45 | swa_k | yay |
| 19:01.54 | Diuturnal | I tried to submit at the last minute. |
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| 19:02.02 | mayanks43 | did u |
| 19:02.07 | cheukchuen | u managed? |
| 19:02.08 | lolfrenz | he obviously meant noise to signal |
| 19:02.08 | swa_k | tried?? |
| 19:02.16 | techshaddy | how would i know that my proposol has been submitted |
| 19:02.18 | Diuturnal | and I got a cross site scripting error thing... |
| 19:02.21 | borja | schumaml: I'm betting on someone coming into the room in 50 minutes asking "Deadline is in 10 minutes, right?" |
| 19:02.25 | dberkholz | 58 proposals, woohoo |
| 19:02.26 | dev29aug | time over ? |
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| 19:02.36 | mayanks43 | yup |
| 19:02.37 | JSund | techshaddy: in the column to the left you can find "List my Student Proposals" |
| 19:02.48 | swa_k | too much wor to do dberkholz |
| 19:02.49 | mayanks43 | haash |
| 19:02.52 | dgrunwald | Only 30 proposals for my org. Last year we had 44 |
| 19:02.52 | Migi32 | smtms, my "withdraw" button is gone! you said it'd still be there :( |
| 19:02.52 | erlehmann | okay, times up |
| 19:02.55 | techshaddy | yeah it is there |
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| 19:03.02 | ArthurLiu | 40 here |
| 19:03.04 | erlehmann | how do i publish my proposal so others can see it too ? |
| 19:03.05 | techshaddy | means it is submitted |
| 19:03.09 | DrJoel | says 20 apps here.. more than last year |
| 19:03.12 | crosvera | omg 2minutes for deadline |
| 19:03.12 | techshaddy | ? |
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| 19:03.14 | lolfrenz | how many proposals did you guys submit? |
| 19:03.14 | adifire | ha! time's up!!!! |
| 19:03.14 | dev29aug | I submitted only 3 proposals and they all are submitted in last 1 hour. lol |
| 19:03.14 | borja | 90 here |
| 19:03.15 | lolfrenz | 3 here |
| 19:03.16 | smtms | Migi32, you can tell the org you are withdrawing and they'll use their withdraw button |
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| 19:03.32 | al1943 | !extension |
| 19:03.32 | socinfo | "extension" is (#1) The deadline WAS NOT extended and WILL NOT be. Not even for you., or (#2) The deadline WAS NOT extended and WILL NOT be. Not even for you. |
| 19:03.34 | Migi32 | smtms, I know, I could also use comments, but still :) |
| 19:03.37 | dev29aug | OMG 20 minutes still there. |
| 19:03.39 | *** topic/#gsoc by carols -> Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - Accepted student applications announced on April 26 - File Feature Requests & Bugs at http://bit.ly/a5tD87 - Read the FAQs: http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session: http://bit.ly/amIwdd - We need flyer and presentations translations, videos too! |
| 19:03.41 | adifire | me 4 lolfrenz how abt u? |
| 19:03.44 | Kosma | BENZEEEEEENE \â£/ |
| 19:03.49 | dberkholz | ah, hi there DrJoel -- haven't seen you since the mentor summit |
| 19:03.50 | swa_k | socinfo has a sense of humor |
| 19:03.50 | socinfo | Error: "has" is not a valid command. |
| 19:03.52 | lolfrenz | adifire, 3 |
| 19:03.56 | smtms | !next |
| 19:03.56 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 19:03.58 | DrJoel | doesn't get out much. :) |
| 19:04.00 | Gracenotes | people saying 'XX here' should probably specify if they're an organization or student... :x |
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| 19:04.05 | swa_k | see what i tld |
| 19:04.07 | DrJoel | carols is quick on the topic |
| 19:04.26 | carols | thanks DrJoel. Don't want any confused students :-) |
| 19:04.26 | lolfrenz | also which organization? |
| 19:04.27 | schumaml | oh |
| 19:04.31 | naval_ | i got late by 3 mins |
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| 19:04.37 | kusum | what proposals are listed under ineleigible proposals ? in List my student proposals |
| 19:04.38 | tues | Hi |
| 19:04.38 | jbartosik | :/ |
| 19:04.40 | cheukchuen | I must admit, preparing 2-3 proposals is a lot of work along with all the assignments given by your university =/ |
| 19:04.41 | mayanks43 | naval wins the race |
| 19:04.41 | x` | carols: what happens next ... slots on the 13th? |
| 19:04.43 | tues | So did I :/ |
| 19:04.44 | swa_k | wonder whr are the berkman pp :( |
| 19:04.46 | jbartosik | !nex |
| 19:04.46 | socinfo | Error: "nex" is not a valid command. |
| 19:04.48 | rootbit | oh no |
| 19:04.49 | swa_k | *ppl |
| 19:04.50 | jbartosik | !next |
| 19:04.50 | tues | Konqueror crashed when I was submitting my proposal |
| 19:04.50 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 19:04.50 | rootbit | deadline is here |
| 19:04.51 | dev29aug | it says page not available |
| 19:04.54 | DrJoel | carols: that's optimistic and unrealistic |
| 19:04.55 | rootbit | and I dont have a mentor yet |
| 19:04.59 | dagvadorj | would it be unprofessional if we bundled a little bit extra info on proposal as comment? |
| 19:05.00 | adifire | he ha he ha.. |
| 19:05.01 | dberkholz | carols: would it be possible to add stuff to the timeline like when we need spam-detection completed? |
| 19:05.06 | naval_ | can I do something now? |
| 19:05.07 | naval_ | :( |
| 19:05.08 | Gangadhar | I still see the Edit my proposal on the webpage.. |
| 19:05.08 | rootbit | can I register without a mentor and then add him later? |
| 19:05.12 | mayanks43 | channel on fire |
| 19:05.15 | YuviPanda | so what do we do now? |
| 19:05.17 | carols | x`: yes |
| 19:05.20 | YuviPanda | just yabber around? |
| 19:05.27 | Gracenotes | depends on who you are |
| 19:05.31 | al1943 | cry for extension |
| 19:05.32 | kusum | what proposals are listed under ineleigible proposals ? in List my student proposals |
| 19:05.33 | danderson | preferably not. Go to #defocus for random chatter. |
| 19:05.35 | wtachi | unscrews fire hydrant |
| 19:05.35 | mayanks43 | start working on ur projectr |
| 19:05.37 | danderson | No extensions. |
| 19:05.40 | JSund | Gangadhar: I think the site will deny your request for the editing site when you click it |
| 19:05.40 | danderson | Not now, not ever. |
| 19:05.44 | carols | dberkholz: its on the gsoc calendar but i can add to the timeline as well, yes |
| 19:05.48 | DrJoel | wonders if it is too early to get a couple on number of proposals even if some are spam |
| 19:05.52 | adifire | rootbit, u don't get to select a mentor... :) |
| 19:05.58 | kusum | SRabbelier: there? |
| 19:06.02 | rootbit | no, I want to work on aosp |
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| 19:06.17 | adifire | goes over the cuckoo's nest |
| 19:06.17 | rootbit | they didnt register as an organization so i wanted to register to the general tab |
| 19:06.19 | gsoc_Dushyant | what is aosp |
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| 19:06.23 | rizzo1 | wow i definitely just submitted my last proposal within seconds of the deadline without realizing the deadline was at noon, not at midnight |
| 19:06.23 | *** part/#gsoc m1k3y (~m1k3y@122.162.27.87) |
| 19:06.24 | Wolf_OSGeo | rootbit: if you haven't applied yet, you get to wait a year... |
| 19:06.25 | dho | 2010-04-09 18:59:58.73249 <-- that's one lucky submission. |
| 19:06.30 | Migi32 | this is kind of anti-climactic. W |
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| 19:06.39 | Migi32 | waiting 2 more weeks before we know the result... |
| 19:06.39 | danderson | Wolf_OSGeo++ |
| 19:06.42 | rootbit | and I'm looking for a mentor, romain guy sent the team a mail |
| 19:06.45 | dberkholz | oh, forgot about the google calendar. |
| 19:06.47 | adifire | dho, ya mine too.. |
| 19:06.51 | rootbit | aosp = android open source project |
| 19:06.51 | ArthurLiu | Dear students, go have an ice cream and watch a movie. There's nothing you can do now except enjoy the ranking period (us admins and mentors will be cagefighting over internal rankings) |
| 19:06.58 | danderson | Migi32: I could always reject you right now, to relieve the tension. |
| 19:06.59 | kitalis | Heh. |
| 19:06.59 | swa_k | i am waiting for my first review now |
| 19:07.05 | mayanks43 | rakes the point |
| 19:07.09 | mayanks43 | *takes |
| 19:07.10 | lolfrenz | dho, my latest is 2010-04-09 18:58:47.407221 |
| 19:07.10 | tharis20 | I missed my application by 1 minute |
| 19:07.12 | Migi32 | danderson, you're the gcc mentor? |
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| 19:07.14 | Gracenotes | I must have resubmitted my proposal a few dozen times after I first submitted it |
| 19:07.15 | rootbit | damn, so too late for me then? |
| 19:07.15 | adifire | ArthurLiu, yeah... |
| 19:07.18 | Gracenotes | trying to get it perfect |
| 19:07.20 | mayanks43 | tharis naval won the race |
| 19:07.21 | *** part/#gsoc sudiptamondal (~UserXP@59.180.150.235) |
| 19:07.22 | danderson | Migi32: no, but I can arrange admin access to the webapp :P |
| 19:07.23 | Gracenotes | until 2 minutes before the deadline |
| 19:07.28 | Migi32 | :) |
| 19:07.28 | tharis20 | when I was going to submit my connection went down |
| 19:07.31 | adifire | ArthurLiu, I'm gonna hav a good nice sleep and gr8 weekend!!! |
| 19:07.32 | tharis20 | :( |
| 19:07.36 | danderson | tough. |
| 19:07.42 | danderson | submit earlier next year :) |
| 19:07.53 | rootbit | yeah, i guess so |
| 19:07.55 | schumaml | can the next !next message not have any other timezone than UTC, please? |
| 19:07.59 | Wolf_OSGeo | tharis20: well I hope you learned not to leave important things to the last minute? ;) |
| 19:08.01 | kusum | any Google admins here |
| 19:08.02 | tharis20 | danderson: I didn't know until today |
| 19:08.03 | rootbit | is there a way to register to get an email notification? |
| 19:08.03 | adifire | wonders why everybody's frantic!! |
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| 19:08.06 | kusum | need help urgent |
| 19:08.07 | danderson | again, tough. |
| 19:08.14 | adifire | kusum, tell |
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| 19:08.18 | danderson | sorry to be blunt, but that's the way it is. |
| 19:08.21 | tharis20 | Wolf_OSGeo: yeah... |
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| 19:08.34 | adimania | rootbit: There is a button to subscribe at the top of the proposal |
| 19:08.40 | kusum | adifire: i have one of my proposals listed under ineligible/withdrawn |
| 19:08.43 | JSund | schumaml: UTC seems to be the only reasonable time zone to use, since people from all around the world are applying |
| 19:08.47 | jbartosik | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.51 | kusum | i surely did not withdraw it |
| 19:08.54 | jbartosik | !deadline |
| 19:08.54 | socinfo | "deadline" is see !timeline |
| 19:08.55 | schumaml | if I was a Google admin, I'd call it a day now and have an early weekend :) |
| 19:09.00 | jbartosik | !timeline |
| 19:09.00 | adifire | kusum, oh..tht's interesting.. |
| 19:09.00 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 19:09.00 | dagvadorj | hadi eyvallah |
| 19:09.13 | carols | schumaml: or in my case, fly to the netherlands :-) |
| 19:09.20 | kusum | i submitted it in the morning |
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| 19:09.32 | kusum | not even a timeline issue |
| 19:09.45 | Wolf_OSGeo | kusum: it means the org has rejected it as spam, probably |
| 19:09.58 | kusum | what to do now ? |
| 19:10.01 | adifire | kusum, u sure tht u didn't click the withdraw button? |
| 19:10.01 | rootbit | I didnt submit a proposel |
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| 19:10.11 | schumaml | JSund: exactly, and still there was a "12 noon PDT" |
| 19:10.11 | kusum | I am 100% sure |
| 19:10.13 | swa_k | hey can someone tel me where do we check inelliginle proposals |
| 19:10.14 | rootbit | if there a way to register so that I get a notification next year |
| 19:10.15 | jbartosik | goes away |
| 19:10.19 | rootbit | before the project starts? |
| 19:10.19 | Wolf_OSGeo | kusum: ask your mentor what's up? |
| 19:10.20 | adifire | Wolf_OSGeo, oh...is that a possibility too?? spam proposal! |
| 19:10.25 | hugowetterberg | Is it considered bad form to set "Willing to mentor" for more than one proposal? |
| 19:10.27 | kusum | i just pressed the submit button |
| 19:10.27 | emmanuelp | hmmm why's the edit my proposal link still there? |
| 19:10.30 | kavery10 | can proposals still be submited? |
| 19:10.34 | kusum | i dont remember even changing it |
| 19:10.39 | rizzo1 | is there a public number of proposal submissions? |
| 19:10.46 | Wolf_OSGeo | adifire: or simply so poor in quality... |
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| 19:10.54 | geoaxis | all rightie ppl |
| 19:10.55 | Gracenotes | hugowetterberg: as far as I know, you can /actually/ mentor for more than one proposal |
| 19:10.56 | swa_k | none we know of yet rizzo1 |
| 19:10.56 | ArthurLiu | kusum, what did the organization mentors say before you submitted the proposal ? |
| 19:10.56 | sixcorners | rootbit, I was reminded of gsoc from one of the google blogs |
| 19:10.57 | merwok | Everybody have a nice day, afternoon, evening or night. Thanks for support, company and answers. See you for next step. Happy hacking. |
| 19:10.57 | borja | rizzo1: it's typically published on the open source blog shortly after the deadline |
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| 19:11.04 | rizzo1 | thanks |
| 19:11.10 | geoaxis | every one have a great weekend |
| 19:11.14 | ei-grad | !next |
| 19:11.14 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 19:11.15 | rizzo1 | you to |
| 19:11.16 | geoaxis | see you all on April 23 |
| 19:11.17 | kusum | ArthurLiu: no intimation from organisation |
| 19:11.18 | borja | borja: but only the total number for GSoC; I'm pretty sure they don't publish the number per organization |
| 19:11.21 | schumaml | in my opinion it's impossible to miss that a gsoc is coming up |
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| 19:11.28 | kavery10 | is the proposal time period over? |
| 19:11.31 | ArthurLiu | kusum, did you talk to them before submitting ? |
| 19:11.36 | danderson | kavery10: yes. |
| 19:11.36 | adifire | yeah....cool everyone!! have a jolly holly weekend!!! |
| 19:11.37 | sixcorners | not in mine⦠I missed it last year : \ |
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| 19:11.42 | danderson | no, you can't have an extension. |
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| 19:11.44 | emmanuelp | so, you can still edit your proposals, just not send new ones, right? |
| 19:11.50 | kusum | i did not speak to the admins |
| 19:11.55 | hugowetterberg | Thanks Gracenotes, nobody else who thinks differently? |
| 19:11.58 | rizzo1 | emmanuelp: i don't think so |
| 19:12.02 | adifire | emmanuelp, you cannot edit now.. |
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| 19:12.11 | Wolf_OSGeo | emmanuelp: you can add comments, but not edit the app |
| 19:12.18 | adifire | emmanuelp, try it yourself |
| 19:12.24 | ArthurLiu | kusum, here's your problem |
| 19:12.32 | kusum | my project appears both in List my student proposals as well as list my ineligible / withdrawn |
| 19:12.33 | patrick42h | hope i get in! |
| 19:12.45 | adifire | me too! |
| 19:12.46 | emmanuelp | ahhhh right, I see the error message |
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| 19:12.48 | Gangadhar | but I can see the edit my proposal on the web page. |
| 19:12.52 | sixcorners | I'm just glad I put something out there.. |
| 19:12.54 | emmanuelp | yeah |
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| 19:13.00 | emmanuelp | but u get an error message if you click it |
| 19:13.05 | Wolf_OSGeo | kusum, maybe you double clicked on send, and the project has marked one of them as spam |
| 19:13.08 | sixcorners | Which I don't think should be a good thing.. |
| 19:13.09 | Wolf_OSGeo | it happened to us |
| 19:13.09 | adifire | it's ther alrite.. Gangadhar but u cannot edit.. |
| 19:13.51 | Gangadhar | ok. |
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| 19:13.51 | kusum | what's the best thing i can do now ? |
| 19:13.51 | toad_ | what was the ratio of slots to proposals last year? |
| 19:13.51 | bob489 | are student applications still being accepted? |
| 19:13.51 | Wolf_OSGeo | kusum: talk to the org!! |
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| 19:13.51 | emmanuelp | so, what's the best way to let the organisations I applied for, what's the one I would preffer in case 2 or more would choose me (a long shot I know...), a comment on the proposal? |
| 19:13.51 | JSund | bob489: no |
| 19:13.55 | summatusmentis | toad_: there were 1000 student accepted, out of about ~5600 applicants, iirc |
| 19:14.15 | bob489 | damn.. i had i a good one too... ohh well |
| 19:14.21 | toad_ | summatusmentis: but more than 5600 *proposals* because many students did many proposals? |
| 19:14.30 | rizzo1 | 5.6 on avg |
| 19:14.38 | Crix- | has the number of student proposals been tallied yet? |
| 19:14.45 | toad_ | 5.6 proposals per student or 5.6 proposals per allocated slot? |
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| 19:15.02 | Wolf_OSGeo | bob489: you can still implement it ;) |
| 19:15.04 | rizzo1 | 5.6 avg per student i would guess |
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| 19:15.26 | svaksha | kusum: inform the organisation of your application (maybe you can mail them the url?) |
| 19:15.37 | kusum | ok |
| 19:15.40 | bob489 | Wolf_OSGeo: I'm sure I will... |
| 19:16.08 | Wolf_OSGeo | bob489: great! The world will be a better place! :D |
| 19:16.11 | Sgeo | !deadline |
| 19:16.11 | socinfo | "deadline" is see !timeline |
| 19:16.14 | Sgeo | !timeline |
| 19:16.15 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 19:16.16 | ajuonline | svaksha: :D |
| 19:16.31 | summatusmentis | toad_: oh, good point, that's probably 5600 applications |
| 19:16.35 | kusum | svaksha: thanks |
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| 19:16.39 | summatusmentis | I'm not sure how many individual students applied |
| 19:16.42 | svaksha | kusum: are all your applications listed as withdrawn or just one? |
| 19:16.43 | Achilles | how do i get the link to my proposal? |
| 19:16.49 | svaksha | ajuonline: hey |
| 19:16.51 | kusum | just one |
| 19:17.02 | Wolf_OSGeo | Achilles: look in the url bar of your browser? |
| 19:17.04 | kusum | but the same appears in list my student proposal list as well |
| 19:17.11 | kusum | it is coming in both the lists |
| 19:17.13 | LawG | Achilles: View your proposal and click 'public view' at the top. Use that link |
| 19:17.22 | svaksha | kusum: that is strange |
| 19:17.26 | emmanuelp | mine are all just fine |
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| 19:17.31 | emmanuelp | the 3 of them |
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| 19:17.36 | Achilles | ok...thanx |
| 19:17.36 | emmanuelp | though I just sent the last one |
| 19:17.37 | LawG | Achilles: Assuming you made the proposal public |
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| 19:17.43 | ajuonline | svaksha: long time! how have you been? |
| 19:17.52 | svaksha | kusum: try filing a bug in melange |
| 19:18.00 | kusum | ok |
| 19:18.03 | svaksha | ajuonline: doing well, and you |
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| 19:18.08 | Wolf_OSGeo | kusum: are the timestamps of both apps the same or are they somehow different? |
| 19:18.09 | rizzo1 | i had an application withdrew and then back in the normal list |
| 19:18.12 | ajuonline | svaksha: good too, thanks.. |
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| 19:19.09 | Achilles | i did...but now i cannot see the public view link on top |
| 19:19.29 | xiainx | re-load it |
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| 19:19.46 | aghisla | melange on heavy stress |
| 19:20.05 | xb95 | hmmm. I don't see any way for me to say 'we are not going to consider this application any further' so the rest of my mentors don't have to look through it? |
| 19:20.11 | kusum | Wolf_OSGeo: different |
| 19:20.18 | kusum | with almost 2 hours gap |
| 19:20.18 | danderson | xb95: mark as ineligible? |
| 19:20.26 | Wolf_OSGeo | kusum: by how much? |
| 19:20.26 | dberkholz | then you'll screw up your slot count |
| 19:20.27 | gsoc_Dushyant | kusum _/\_ |
| 19:20.29 | Wolf_OSGeo | ah |
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| 19:20.36 | aghisla | waits tomorrow to login and review proposals |
| 19:20.38 | xb95 | danderson: I was under the impression that was the option to use for spam and the like. we can use it for other things? |
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| 19:20.47 | wtachi | !next |
| 19:20.48 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 19:20.48 | danderson | dberkholz: in what sense? |
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| 19:20.53 | warthog9 | xb95: mark it -1 and tell your mentors to ignore the negative valued proposals? |
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| 19:21.10 | dberkholz | danderson: what xb95 said... |
| 19:21.24 | danderson | dberkholz: how do you know that this affects slot allocation? |
| 19:21.36 | danderson | do you have data backing that up? |
| 19:21.39 | kusum | main one : 09:26:58 and the ineligible one is 11:14:24 |
| 19:22.11 | kusum | Wolf_OSGeo: |
| 19:22.14 | Achilles | i ahve reloaded my page...i still do not see the public view link...or is it already in the public view? |
| 19:22.15 | dberkholz | danderson: well, we've been informed to finish marking spam by tuesday when slot allocation is performed |
| 19:22.21 | Achilles | *have |
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| 19:22.47 | danderson | dberkholz: this is presumably so that if you have num_eligible < num_requested_slots your slots can be adjusted downwards. |
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| 19:23.00 | danderson | How is this evil, since xb95 doesn't want the application he's rejecting? |
| 19:23.06 | svaksha | kusum: many orgs reported being spammed, so if you submitted to the Org without discussing ..... |
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| 19:23.15 | svaksha | is guessing here |
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| 19:23.34 | kusum | i discussed with one of the mentors |
| 19:23.48 | kusum | he has posted a comment on the main proposal as well |
| 19:23.59 | Wolf_OSGeo | kusum: are they the same proposal? |
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| 19:24.03 | dberkholz | danderson: how about this? "Please do not delete proposals that are not spam as the allocations algorithm is based on popularity of each org where popularity is determined by number of proposals submitted in total. " |
| 19:24.08 | svaksha | kusum: that means its accepted. so what is the problem? |
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| 19:24.14 | danderson | dberkholz: source? |
| 19:24.25 | kusum | but i want to know why it appears in the other list also ? |
| 19:24.30 | dberkholz | danderson: email from carol, subject "Allocations and Deduplication - Let the Fun Begin |
| 19:24.48 | gevaerts | danderson: I distinctly remember reading that too |
| 19:24.48 | svaksha | kusum: i dont know why ..sorry :) |
| 19:24.51 | danderson | dberkholz: well, then feel free to ignore me. |
| 19:24.54 | JSund | kusum: it couldn't have been that you accidentally submitted two proposals and that one was marked as spam because it was a duplicate proposal? |
| 19:24.59 | safal_soni | s |
| 19:25.06 | xb95 | yeah that's what I recall too |
| 19:25.09 | dberkholz | i may well be wrong, but that is my interpretation of what i've seen |
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| 19:25.12 | JSund | not sure that such a feature exists, but it seems reasonable to have that feature |
| 19:25.23 | dberkholz | i just use -4's to take an app out of the running |
| 19:25.27 | danderson | (see, that's why I wanted data. I was not under the impression that eligible proposals had any influence on the slot counts, but there you go) |
| 19:25.38 | danderson | and isn't that something we ought to fix. |
| 19:25.40 | kusum | ohh |
| 19:26.02 | xb95 | dberkholz: yeah, that's what I'll do. I was hoping to just get them out of the list so I don't have 10 mentors going through apps I've already decided won't make it (I'm the org admin) |
| 19:26.19 | LawG | xb95, what org? |
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| 19:27.38 | tontoto | latest google-summer-of-code digest is full of let downs |
| 19:27.47 | xb95 | LawG: Dreamwidth Studios // dreamwidth.org |
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| 19:28.30 | rizzo1 | tontoto: what do you mean by that?? |
| 19:29.06 | Diuturnal | ScottMac, you wouldn't happen to be here, would you? |
| 19:29.08 | tontoto | the mailing list people saying they submitted late, asking for extensions |
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| 19:29.45 | Phog | augh! |
| 19:29.46 | rizzo1 | tontoto: wow |
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| 19:30.09 | Phog | Hi everyone |
| 19:30.16 | Phog | I seem to have gotten into quite the pickle |
| 19:30.16 | rizzo1 | Phog: hi |
| 19:30.35 | Phog | I'm 30minutes late for submitting my proposal |
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| 19:30.54 | SRabbelier | kusum: yes? |
| 19:30.59 | wtachi | !extension |
| 19:31.00 | socinfo | "extension" is (#1) The deadline WAS NOT extended and WILL NOT be. Not even for you., or (#2) The deadline WAS NOT extended and WILL NOT be. Not even for you. |
| 19:31.06 | Phog | damn |
| 19:31.09 | schumaml | any mails with the "in culture xyz, it is not common for deadlines to be firm" defense yet? |
| 19:31.18 | SRabbelier | socinfo: forget exension 2 |
| 19:31.18 | socinfo | Error: There is no such factoid. |
| 19:31.22 | Diuturnal | was late submitting by a minute. no previous version submitted (because the time before that it was because of xsrf validation failure. |
| 19:31.23 | SRabbelier | socinfo: forget exension #2 |
| 19:31.23 | socinfo | Error: There is no such factoid. |
| 19:31.26 | SRabbelier | socinfo: forget exension |
| 19:31.26 | socinfo | Error: There is no such factoid. |
| 19:31.28 | Chainsaw | Phog: I hope you have better luck next year. |
| 19:31.29 | wtachi | socinfo: forget extension 1 |
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| 19:31.31 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 19:31.32 | SRabbelier | oh, durrdedurr :D |
| 19:31.34 | SRabbelier | I can't spell |
| 19:31.37 | Phog | hmm |
| 19:31.44 | SRabbelier | wtachi: thanks |
| 19:31.46 | Phog | next time I need to triple-check the time zones |
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| 19:31.48 | wtachi | np |
| 19:32.00 | sreich | Phog: or just not wait until the last minute... |
| 19:32.02 | Phog | (or have a huge count-down timer) |
| 19:32.04 | SRabbelier | Phog: no, next time you need to not wait till the last minute |
| 19:32.05 | sreich | that usually helps.. |
| 19:32.09 | wtachi | SRabbelier: also, I think it's zero-based (not sure) |
| 19:32.10 | Chainsaw | Phog: Or allow yourself a bit more margin. Speaking as a past GSoC mentor & admin, I frown upon last-minute applications. |
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| 19:32.18 | SRabbelier | wtachi: ah, could be |
| 19:32.24 | Chainsaw | Phog: Google provided a countdown timer. They do that every year. |
| 19:32.43 | Phog | .. whoops.. |
| 19:32.58 | schumaml | any orgs this time who outright refuse to take proposals of the last x hours into account at all? |
| 19:33.07 | tontoto | gonna have to go out and find a real job this summer :X |
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| 19:33.14 | kusum | SRabbelier: i have an application which is reflected both in main list of proposals and list on ineligible/withdrawn |
| 19:33.15 | Migi32 | schumaml, then they would throw away a whole lot of applications |
| 19:33.21 | kusum | could you explain why > |
| 19:33.28 | kusum | ?* |
| 19:33.32 | SRabbelier | kusum: ok? |
| 19:33.42 | Chainsaw | schumaml: We never refused outright, but it certainly was not appreciated. |
| 19:33.57 | kusum | SRabbelier: what do i do now |
| 19:34.01 | wtachi | the time of the submission shouldn't be as important as the effort spent on it |
| 19:34.06 | SRabbelier | kusum: nothing |
| 19:34.07 | Chainsaw | schumaml: We got a few last-minutes that were clearly just placeholders. |
| 19:34.13 | kusum | nothing ??? |
| 19:34.15 | Chainsaw | schumaml: And that is just not acceptable. |
| 19:34.25 | Phog | a last minute submission could also be an over-polished gem |
| 19:34.30 | kusum | How do i know if my application is even considered or no |
| 19:34.38 | Phog | an unwillingness to let go of a submission before it's perfect |
| 19:34.38 | kusum | i did not withdraw that proposal |
| 19:34.44 | Chainsaw | kusum: If you submitted it before the deadline, then it will be read. |
| 19:34.45 | schumaml | I'd imagine that if an org get many proposals and had a very, very low quote of usefuls ones in the last x hours, then they may adapt this scheme |
| 19:34.48 | SRabbelier | kusum: the inelegible one got marked as spam |
| 19:34.49 | Phog | but oh well, no use in whining about this on irc |
| 19:34.51 | schumaml | adopt |
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| 19:34.55 | SRabbelier | kusum: the one that's in the other list isn't |
| 19:34.59 | SRabbelier | kusum: not too hard |
| 19:35.01 | tontoto | perfectionists suffer immensely \/_\/ |
| 19:35.04 | Chainsaw | Phog: All of the students that I chose were on IRC and discussing the proposal with me in detail. |
| 19:35.05 | kusum | oh ok |
| 19:35.06 | Doruk__ | Âi just missed the deadline by 18 minutes. i tought that the deadline until midnight. Âis there something you can do i really want to apply |
| 19:35.21 | Phog | Doruk__, in the same boat |
| 19:35.22 | wtachi | !extension |
| 19:35.23 | socinfo | "extension" is The deadline WAS NOT extended and WILL NOT be. Not even for you. |
| 19:35.24 | Phog | nothing we can do |
| 19:35.25 | Chainsaw | Phog: It might be different for us because we require a code challenge to be completed before we consider a candidate. |
| 19:35.38 | xiainx | you can go and ask the organizations if you can help them out outside of the context of GSoC... |
| 19:35.43 | Chainsaw | Phog: (And most challenges go back & forth a few times) |
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| 19:35.57 | Chainsaw | Phog: But xiainx has a good point there. Most organisations would welcome you as a volunteer. |
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| 19:36.12 | kusum | i did submit about 15 hours before deadline |
| 19:36.15 | Phog | Chainsaw, that's true |
| 19:36.21 | Chainsaw | Phog: In fact, if you would like to get a tagging library working for me in the Audacious Media Player... talk to me and I'll set you up. |
| 19:36.51 | summatusmentis | !timeline |
| 19:36.51 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 19:36.55 | Migi32 | Chainsaw, what org is that? |
| 19:37.07 | Chainsaw | Phog: Full disclosure: We are not participating in the summer of code this year and I can not offer you any financial motivators. You will get your name in the About dialog though. |
| 19:37.23 | Phog | Chainsaw, which is usually more than enough |
| 19:37.27 | Chainsaw | Migi32: We participated as Audacious in 2007, and as Atheme.org in 2008 & 2009 (where we had some Conspire & NASPRO proposals as well) |
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| 19:38.11 | baer | deadline is in 20 minutes, right? |
| 19:38.16 | baer | just kidding ;) |
| 19:38.16 | Phog | nope |
| 19:38.18 | Phog | =] |
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| 19:38.40 | tontoto | i have a test in 20 minutes :X |
| 19:38.44 | kusum | SRabbelier: i did submit about 15 hours before deadline |
| 19:38.52 | Christopher_ | Are applications accepted still? |
| 19:38.59 | Adityab | More like 10 mins |
| 19:39.04 | Chainsaw | Christopher_: Nope, sorry. |
| 19:39.16 | SRabbelier | kusum: k |
| 19:39.21 | SRabbelier | kusum: just be patient then |
| 19:39.51 | Christopher_ | Aggghhhhhhh. I just found out about GSoC 3 days ago... It said April 9th I didn't think to check what time on April 9th |
| 19:39.51 | Chainsaw | Christopher_: But if you'd like to get your hands dirty with some open source code, I'm sure I could find something for you. I'm quite willing to mentor you as if you were a student, but I can't offer you money. |
| 19:39.57 | gillux | hi #gsoc :) |
| 19:40.04 | Chainsaw | Hello gillux. |
| 19:40.30 | Chainsaw | Christopher_: Eternal glory *and* your name in the About dialog of a well-known media player... that I can promise. |
| 19:40.31 | rizzo1 | Chainsaw: I will take you up on that offer if i do not get accepted |
| 19:40.54 | Chainsaw | rizzo1: Okay, I will be on IRC :) |
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| 19:41.05 | carols | SRabbelier: you around? |
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| 19:41.08 | Christopher_ | Chainsaw, I do appreciate the offer unfortunately I also need a place to live and food and such :-p |
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| 19:41.16 | SRabbelier | carols: working on your numbers as we speak! |
| 19:41.17 | Sgeo | Christopher_, even if you knew the time, I doubt that a rushedapplication would have gotten far |
| 19:41.21 | carols | SRabbelier: PM? |
| 19:41.27 | carols | and thank you :-) |
| 19:41.30 | Phog | phew |
| 19:41.31 | Sgeo | ^^The reason I'm not participating in GSoC this year |
| 19:41.39 | Phog | need to go out for a walk or something |
| 19:41.47 | Phog | see you guys |
| 19:41.50 | Christopher_ | Sgeo, I agree but I was hoping to at least have a shot at it |
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| 19:42.11 | gillux | seems like I missed the party :/ |
| 19:42.30 | epps | Chainsaw, I'm interested in some work (even unpayed) during the summer |
| 19:42.45 | gillux | I was one of these who sent their applications well in advance and stuff.. :) |
| 19:42.50 | dho | Heh. |
| 19:43.10 | gc_ | can someone help , I got late to sumit my application and I am unable to do it now , please help |
| 19:43.10 | brik | heh, the best way to get volunteers is to wait around for the bunch of people who missed the deadline? |
| 19:43.11 | Chainsaw | epps: It will be unpaid, yes. Most of it will be about fixing existing code that either does not work or has seas and seas of compiler warnings. |
| 19:43.25 | dho | gc_: If you did not get your submission in, you will have to wait until next year. |
| 19:43.29 | Chainsaw | brik: Well, turning people away entirely seems a bit heartless. |
| 19:43.29 | dho | brik: Apparently. |
| 19:43.33 | swa_k | well listening to ur conversation i dnt thnk ive got much of a chance, i never had a clue abt my mentor |
| 19:43.39 | epps | which project? |
| 19:43.58 | dho | Chainsaw: Not only that, it's sort of counterproductive to the idea of open source. There's always work to be done. |
| 19:43.59 | gc_ | it is go office |
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| 19:44.06 | dho | Unless you're djb |
| 19:44.07 | dho | :) |
| 19:44.22 | gc_ | I was just few minutes late, and I was unable to submit |
| 19:44.35 | brik | not saying it's a bad thing :) |
| 19:44.38 | peper | how many proposals this year in total if you can share that info? |
| 19:44.44 | dho | gc_: Unfortunately, nothing can be done about that at this point. You'll have to wait for next year. |
| 19:44.54 | Christopher_ | dho, that is ridiculous |
| 19:45.00 | dho | Christopher_: what is? |
| 19:45.10 | gc_ | dho: can there be a way , by talking to the mentor |
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| 19:45.18 | LawG | no |
| 19:45.32 | Wolf_OSGeo | gc_: no |
| 19:45.38 | dho | ^ |
| 19:45.43 | gillux | good luck with students complains, cu |
| 19:46.04 | aghisla | no.. otherwise why accepting someone that missed the deadline for 1min and not one for 1 hour etc |
| 19:46.16 | gc_ | I lost the battle before it could start |
| 19:46.17 | Sgeo | would say "hugs gc_" or something, but I think that would be a bit inappropriate |
| 19:46.18 | gracelaw | unfortunately, no really means no |
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| 19:46.59 | Christopher_ | was the time that the application period would end on the website? I only saw the date |
| 19:47.03 | dho | Yes. |
| 19:47.14 | dho | On the Timeline page |
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| 19:47.17 | jcreigh | Christopher_: yup. for at least the past several weeks anyway. |
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| 19:47.22 | jcreigh | noon PDT, IIRC. |
| 19:47.23 | dho | April 9: |
| 19:47.23 | dho | 19:00 UTC |
| 19:47.24 | dho | Student application deadline. |
| 19:47.35 | dho | also !next in here |
| 19:47.53 | xiainx | did you know they call it a deadline because in prisons, if a prisoner crossed a line, shooting him was allowed, that line was called the deadline! |
| 19:48.03 | Sgeo | !next |
| 19:48.03 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 19:48.12 | SRabbelier | xiainx: cool! |
| 19:48.17 | tontoto | xiainx: wow |
| 19:48.23 | mlankhorst | did you know i dont care a single bit? :) |
| 19:48.51 | brik | if people knew that, maybe they wouldn't miss deadlines |
| 19:48.56 | dho | *bang* |
| 19:48.59 | tontoto | lol |
| 19:49.41 | arvind_khadri | why do i still see an "Edit my proposal" next to my proposal. |
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| 19:49.53 | SukhE | I see it too. |
| 19:49.56 | shuffle2 | xiainx: was this a metaphysical line? |
| 19:50.03 | jcreigh | arvind_khadri: Melange weirdness, I bet. I think if you click it, you'll get a permission denied. |
| 19:50.06 | Gangadhar | _/\_ |
| 19:50.22 | gracelaw | is monu_coder: in this room? |
| 19:50.29 | dho | no |
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| 19:50.32 | LawG | nope |
| 19:50.34 | arvind_khadri | jcreigh, oh ok :) was scared to guts that it meant that my proposal hasnt been submitted |
| 19:50.36 | dho | You can also use /names |
| 19:50.38 | dho | to get a list |
| 19:50.46 | schumaml | xiainx: wiktionary seems to disagree with that, at least partially: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/deadline |
| 19:50.57 | tontoto | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.01 | gracelaw | thanks for the tips |
| 19:51.22 | FlavioFerreiraBR | is over |
| 19:51.22 | svaksha | gracelaw: hi |
| 19:51.34 | tontoto | that link wiktionary says (archaic) boundary around a prison |
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| 19:52.00 | schumaml | "According to the Oxford English Dictionary, early usage refers simply to lines that do not move, such as one used in angling; slightly later American usage includes a boundary around a prison which prisoners must not cross." |
| 19:52.00 | gracelaw | savksha: hi |
| 19:52.10 | Christopher_ | Maybe #gsoc can help with my problem since I wont be getting into the program this summer. A friend of the family has an awesome house in Key West he needs house sat for the entire summer. GSoC was perfect because I could code, make money, and live in Key West all at once. Any one have any other ideas how to accomplish that? |
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| 19:52.45 | LawG | Christopher_: Throw some parties? |
| 19:52.47 | svaksha | gracelaw: did i meet you at pycon, your nick is the same name |
| 19:52.52 | JSund | Christopher_: find some programming job that you can do from home? |
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| 19:53.03 | gracelaw | yes, i was at pyCon |
| 19:53.10 | Sgeo | wishes he could have gone to pycon |
| 19:53.16 | gracelaw | who are you? :-) |
| 19:53.17 | Christopher_ | JSund, yeah thats what I was looking for |
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| 19:53.27 | svaksha | hah :) gracelaw , remember the shoe discussion |
| 19:53.35 | aghisla | the one with that funny hat |
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| 19:53.42 | gracelaw | of course, the shoes |
| 19:53.46 | svaksha | hehe |
| 19:54.02 | gracelaw | good memory. where are you these days? |
| 19:54.12 | svaksha | back .in |
| 19:54.18 | Christopher_ | LawG, if something went wrong with the party I couldnt afford to pay for all the art and other expensive stuff in this guys house |
| 19:54.24 | gracelaw | which organization did you apply to? |
| 19:54.27 | swa_k | so when and where do the number of applications stats come out?? |
| 19:54.30 | svaksha | systers |
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| 19:54.57 | gracelaw | well, i hope you got in. i am the coordinator for Selenium |
| 19:55.02 | svaksha | gracelaw: you are a mentor for selenium, right? |
| 19:55.07 | svaksha | ah, |
| 19:55.26 | svaksha | gracelaw: thanks :) |
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| 19:55.55 | gracelaw | we could use more students for the python binding and templating project, but that's a different story |
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| 19:57.00 | gracelaw | what a small world, meeting you here again |
| 19:57.05 | gracelaw | :-) |
| 19:57.10 | svaksha | gracelaw: i suppose i should not ask how many applications you got :) |
| 19:57.36 | svaksha | gracelaw: absolutely, ...yikes its 2 am..gotta get some zzzz |
| 19:57.44 | svaksha | ciao, nice meeting you too |
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| 19:58.21 | Arc | how are proposal numbers compared to last year? |
| 19:58.26 | swa_k | is thr no one related to berkmam hre,strange |
| 19:58.29 | gracelaw | you shouldn't ... but I'd say, not enough. We do a few students we'd like to work with, but not all of our proposed projects will be executed |
| 19:58.50 | Arc | I've seen a ~20% drop vs last year, but I also got a couple students emailing me with their proposals just after the deadline |
| 19:58.59 | emmanuelp | I heard that this year most orgs got like 30% more compared to last year |
| 19:59.05 | svaksha | gracelaw: ah, yes the slot allocation ... |
| 19:59.13 | emmanuelp | I guess no one knows at this point :) |
| 19:59.42 | gracelaw | yeap, good night :-) |
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| 20:00.18 | svaksha | gracelaw: good day and happy weekend |
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| 20:00.25 | dho | We got almost half of last year's total count. |
| 20:00.39 | emmanuelp | wow |
| 20:00.45 | emmanuelp | I wonder why is that happening |
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| 20:01.03 | dho | I think we have maybe 1 spam proposal, but it's not entirely sure. |
| 20:01.07 | emmanuelp | economy sucks this year, I guess some students rather apply for a job or something |
| 20:01.09 | Arc | well last year we had about 1/3rd of our total proposals after the initial deadline, so.. |
| 20:01.13 | dho | and most of the other ones are really good. |
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| 20:01.29 | emmanuelp | initial deadline? so they changed it last year? |
| 20:01.55 | dho | There was some deadline shuffling last year for some reason; I don't remember the details anymore. |
| 20:02.01 | dho | But there was much bawwwing involved |
| 20:02.22 | gevaerts | wasn't that two years ago? |
| 20:02.30 | aghisla | i guess 2 years ago |
| 20:02.59 | dho | was it? I thought there was something that went on last year as well. |
| 20:03.13 | emmanuelp | Yeah, hopefully that won't happen this year, there's a lot of people who put a lot of effort on their proposals, and barely got some sleep during this week, wouldn't be fair |
| 20:03.44 | dho | I think it was a review deadline that was extended, not a proposal deadline. |
| 20:03.58 | emmanuelp | ahhh |
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| 20:04.59 | emmanuelp | dho: What do you mean with "I think we have maybe 1 spam proposal, but it's not entirely sure.", how do you guys decide what proposals are spam? the really crappy ones? :) |
| 20:05.31 | dho | In my experience as a mentor / admin, the spam proposals are ones from people who appear to be doing contract work. |
| 20:05.32 | schumaml | iirc there was a pdt != utc deadline issues in one of the past years |
| 20:05.43 | dho | But he seems to also be a student. But I'm not entirely sure. |
| 20:05.54 | dho | In any case, I'm pretty sure we won't be accepting that proposal. |
| 20:06.06 | Crofton | emmanuelp, no the ones selling viagra |
| 20:06.08 | dho | needs to wait for anth to return to discuss anyway |
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| 20:07.17 | emmanuelp | contract work? well, in my case, I do work for a software consultancy, and I did mention it lol, was that a mistake? |
| 20:07.29 | swa_k | @crofton good one :) |
| 20:07.45 | ideamonk | so guys any numbers on how many applications in total did gsoc receive this year ? |
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| 20:08.01 | emmanuelp | Crofton: Why? isn't there a chance that someone would like to create the next-gen viagra selling script? :) |
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| 20:08.38 | dho | emmanuelp: If you have other obligations over the summer, it may reflect negatively on your proposal. |
| 20:08.53 | dho | emmanuelp: GSoC recommends that your summer project essentially be a full-time job. |
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| 20:09.17 | dho | That's an org-level decision though. |
| 20:09.31 | emmanuelp | dho: Nope, in both applications I wrote that I have already asked the entire summer free to my employer |
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| 20:09.45 | emmanuelp | but I guess I should have elaborated a bit mire on that |
| 20:09.47 | emmanuelp | sigh |
| 20:09.48 | dho | Well that's good :) |
| 20:09.52 | dho | You can still post comments, you know. |
| 20:09.56 | emmanuelp | should I place comments on my applications? |
| 20:10.16 | dho | If it's something you are genuinely worried about being misrepresented, I would recommend it |
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| 20:10.40 | emmanuelp | yeah, will do that, now that I think about it, there might be a couple where I bragged about my work experience but didn't mention that I am free during summer |
| 20:10.53 | emmanuelp | will do, thanks for the tip |
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| 20:10.57 | dho_plan9 | You're welcome |
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| 20:12.16 | under_hood | dho: sorry for disturbing, but what do you mean by "doing contract work"? |
| 20:12.27 | dho_plan9 | under_hood: not a problem. |
| 20:13.01 | dho_plan9 | In this case the Bio / CV listed a bunch of companies that the purported student has worked for / performed contracts for, and nothing at all about his student experience |
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| 20:13.24 | dho_plan9 | So there's a certain feeling that this isn't an academic endeavor |
| 20:13.36 | schumaml | did you ask for this in the application template? |
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| 20:14.03 | dho_plan9 | We ask for a bio / resume / cv. |
| 20:14.26 | under_hood | dho_plan9: I was scared when i saw your message. I also did few contract work in the past (however never been employed). But i see GSoC project as an OSS and academic project. |
| 20:14.41 | dho_plan9 | I'm sure your application did not look like this. |
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| 20:15.34 | dho_plan9 | the first thing in professional experience says xxx - present "bla bla, I currently work here" |
| 20:15.43 | dho_plan9 | sounds like a full-time job |
| 20:15.59 | under_hood | dho_plan9: well can you look at it? if you have 5min? |
| 20:16.07 | dho_plan9 | and lists weekends as "available time" |
| 20:16.17 | dho_plan9 | under_hood: Sure, I'm happy to look at it. |
| 20:16.19 | ngupta | wonders if a gap of few year in studying might be interpreted as "doesn't look like academic endeavour" |
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| 20:16.31 | under_hood | dho_plan9: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GSoC/2010/TimotejS |
| 20:16.35 | dho_plan9 | ngupta: doubt it, lots of students take breaks |
| 20:16.57 | under_hood | dho_plan9: will owe you a big one |
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| 20:17.40 | dho_plan9 | Your application looks fine. |
| 20:17.43 | ngupta | dho_plan9: mine has a gap of ~3 yrs. I now doubt if my app would be consider with a negative pov |
| 20:17.57 | dho_plan9 | Please, don't let me scare you guys. |
| 20:18.01 | dho_plan9 | heh. |
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| 20:18.17 | schumaml | ngupta: depends on your reply to any questions about that, I'd guess |
| 20:18.22 | BHSPitMonkey | Who are you, and why are people scared of you? :P |
| 20:18.22 | dho_plan9 | there are 30- and 40-somethings participating in gsoc |
| 20:18.27 | harshit_jain | what are total no. of applications for gsoc this year? |
| 20:18.42 | dho_plan9 | who have worked for 10+ years before going back to school |
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| 20:19.06 | dho_plan9 | BHSPitMonkey: Org admin for Plan 9, and I think my mentioning of an application that looked like a professional solicitation as "spam" has a couple people worried. |
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| 20:19.12 | ngupta | schumaml: questions from orgs are welcome but if they simply make some random assumptions, that wouldn't be great :) |
| 20:19.29 | dho_plan9 | ngupta: It's fair to assume that everyone reviewing the applications is a reasonable person. |
| 20:19.32 | BHSPitMonkey | dho_plan9: thanks for clarifying :) |
| 20:19.38 | aghisla | (we had a 65-university colleague on first year!) |
| 20:19.47 | dho_plan9 | aghisla: :) |
| 20:19.52 | gevaerts | dho_plan9: you might want to recnsider that. *I*'m currently reviewing applications |
| 20:19.58 | dho_plan9 | If you feel like you've misrepresented yourself, you may still post comments. |
| 20:20.00 | dho_plan9 | gevaerts: haha |
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| 20:20.16 | jcreigh | under_hood: hey, that looks like a cool project. Best of luck. |
| 20:20.25 | dho_plan9 | jcreigh: indeed |
| 20:20.39 | under_hood | dho_plan9, jcreigh: thx |
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| 20:20.59 | dho_plan9 | BHSPitMonkey: np :) |
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| 20:21.23 | BHSPitMonkey | I wanted to apply for an Ubuntu project in case my other application fell through, but then I saw the size of the Ubuntu application template, and it was already 5am :P |
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| 20:21.58 | dho_plan9 | Orgs with application templates requiring lots of information are usually worth working for. |
| 20:22.00 | Diuturnal | is this counter lying to me: http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?month=04&day=09&year=2010&hour=19&min=0&sec=0&p0=0 |
| 20:22.07 | Diuturnal | I presume it's all over, right? |
| 20:22.28 | SRabbelier | Diuturnal: it's counting up, as you'll notice |
| 20:22.36 | SRabbelier | Diuturnal: it's also saying "since |
| 20:22.40 | jcreigh | Diuturnal: the proposal deadline is past, yes. AFAIK there is no way to apply for this year's GSoC. |
| 20:22.40 | Diuturnal | ah |
| 20:22.49 | Diuturnal | thanks. |
| 20:23.28 | dho_plan9 | In 2007, we didn't require much in the proposal, and we had a lot of problems. 2009, we required a lot more, and did better. This year, we've extended our application requirements again, and I guess we'll know the results of that in a couple months :) |
| 20:23.29 | Diuturnal | I was a minute or so late with my proposal. thought... game over. had my hopes up for a second there... but then I knew something had to be up. |
| 20:23.44 | dho_plan9 | That's too bad. |
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| 20:24.17 | Owner__ | I missed the deadline by a half hour, is there anything I can do |
| 20:24.33 | dho_plan9 | Unfortunately not. |
| 20:24.38 | mlankhorst | try to apply in time next year :) |
| 20:24.42 | mlankhorst | you had 2 weeks |
| 20:25.02 | mmadia | you can still freely contribute to your desired organization too |
| 20:25.35 | aghisla | thinks of italian soft deadlines :) everything can be delayed, it's just a matter on how loud you scream. |
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| 20:26.14 | SRabbelier | aghisla: good thing GSoC isn't run by italians then :P |
| 20:26.22 | gevaerts | aghisla: yes, but in real life people don't have /ignore :) |
| 20:26.28 | aghisla | hahaha really!! |
| 20:26.28 | SRabbelier | aghisla: (although we have a very cool Italian contributor to Melange) |
| 20:26.41 | BHSPitMonkey | dho_plan9: I don't doubt that it would have been great to work for Ubuntu, but given that it was an afterthought and I was about to pass out to fatigue... I couldn't bring myself to write the application :P |
| 20:26.48 | dho_plan9 | :) |
| 20:26.57 | vegard | SRabbelier: did you apply for anything this year? :) |
| 20:27.31 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: what's the status of your git stats work? is it integrating anywhere, staying its own thing, etc? |
| 20:27.42 | SRabbelier | vegard: I'll be mentor for a totally awesome git proposal (native svn support in git through remote helpers) and will probably be mentoring a Melange student too |
| 20:27.56 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: the latter atm, I haven't had any motivation to turn it into anything more than it is now |
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| 20:28.02 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: git-remote-hg has my attention atm :) |
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| 20:28.09 | dho_plan9 | adminning is tough enough, don't see how I'd manage more than one student at all. |
| 20:28.13 | SRabbelier | vegard: you? |
| 20:28.24 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: i am really interested in committer/code analysis and it was rather hard to find. =) |
| 20:28.27 | SRabbelier | dho_plan9: I did it last year, it's a lot of work |
| 20:28.35 | bob489 | is it still possible to submit a proposal w/ the permission of the mentoring organization? |
| 20:28.38 | dho_plan9 | I simply wouldn't have the time for it. |
| 20:28.43 | vegard | SRabbelier: ah, sounds fun. I was considering to be mentor too but the org wasn't accepted :( |
| 20:28.47 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: ah, well, it's still available on repo.or.cz, and it's faily well documented too |
| 20:28.47 | dberkholz | dho_plan9: you practically need to have job time to dedicate or be a student with lots of free time |
| 20:28.55 | SRabbelier | vegard: ah, did you apply to anywhere? |
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| 20:29.06 | vegard | SRabbelier: I applied as student to PSU for kernel-related project :) |
| 20:29.15 | dho_plan9 | dberkholz: Yeah, last year, I spent my lunch break doing administrative crap every day. |
| 20:29.26 | SRabbelier | vegard: cool, what do you think of your chances? |
| 20:29.43 | under_hood | In today's SIG meeting we finalized the Summer Coding 2010 schedule, and that included adding more time for ideas to be listed for students. The new deadline is next Wed. 14 April. We are inviting students to begin working on proposals starting today, with those due on 21 April. |
| 20:30.03 | under_hood | got this from devel@lists.fedoraproject.org |
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| 20:30.14 | yebyen | Hey! |
| 20:30.21 | pdelgallego | !next |
| 20:30.21 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 20:30.32 | dho_plan9 | Hello |
| 20:30.36 | yebyen | is it too late to submit? |
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| 20:30.40 | dho_plan9 | Yes, it is. |
| 20:30.41 | jcreigh | yebyen: yes |
| 20:30.44 | yebyen | awwww |
| 20:30.47 | yebyen | i set aside the whole day |
| 20:30.48 | pdelgallego | yebyen, it is |
| 20:30.50 | yebyen | to write 8 proposals :( |
| 20:30.55 | dho_plan9 | Sorry. |
| 20:30.57 | yebyen | the website says april 9, |
| 20:31.00 | yebyen | wtf |
| 20:31.03 | dho_plan9 | at 19:00 UTC |
| 20:31.05 | vegard | SRabbelier: I contacted them beforehand and they were positive about my idea |
| 20:31.07 | yebyen | oh |
| 20:31.07 | jcreigh | yebyen: it says *noon PDT*, April 9th. |
| 20:31.26 | maco | as in you're 90 minutes late |
| 20:31.26 | Owner__ | I had the same problem as yebyen |
| 20:31.31 | yebyen | that is a huge bummer |
| 20:31.33 | under_hood | im aware of the oficial GSoC timeline, thats why i was surprised when i got that from fedora mailing list |
| 20:31.34 | vegard | SRabbelier: so I hope it will work out. but I didn't have any contact with them since |
| 20:31.37 | bob489 | i've been trying all day... lol |
| 20:31.38 | yebyen | do some of these groups have money anyway? |
| 20:31.39 | yebyen | lol |
| 20:31.44 | dho_plan9 | Next year will be here before you know it. |
| 20:31.47 | yebyen | i have 8 groups and i'd like to work with all of them |
| 20:31.52 | yebyen | dho_plan9: no, i will be graduated in 1 month |
| 20:31.57 | SRabbelier | vegard: cool! good luck :) |
| 20:32.03 | yebyen | maybe some day i'll be a masters student |
| 20:32.04 | maco | yebyen: you could only be chosen for one of the groups anyway |
| 20:32.06 | yebyen | and participate then |
| 20:32.11 | vegard | SRabbelier: my proposal is public, so you may take a look if you are curious ;) |
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| 20:32.12 | yebyen | maco: not anymore |
| 20:32.14 | vegard | SRabbelier: thanks :D |
| 20:32.18 | bob489 | who are google admin's in here? |
| 20:32.22 | bob489 | all the @ ? |
| 20:32.24 | maco | yebyen: well yes now youre stuck with 0 |
| 20:32.30 | yebyen | i can't believe i wasted all afternoon eating korean food |
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| 20:32.34 | maco | yebyen: but you said you watned to work with all 8. im saying you couldnt have anyway |
| 20:32.34 | yebyen | and tooling around with golang homework |
| 20:32.43 | yebyen | maco: sure i could, 3 are directly tied together |
| 20:32.44 | carols | bob489: im here, how can i help? |
| 20:32.53 | dho_plan9 | yebyen: What're you doing with go? |
| 20:32.53 | yebyen | how am i gonna work with hurd without involving debian or xen? |
| 20:32.53 | yebyen | heh |
| 20:33.05 | yebyen | dho_plan9: we have a class at RIT called Programming Skills: Go |
| 20:33.13 | yebyen | Concurrency, Systems Programming |
| 20:33.13 | dho_plan9 | Nice, who's teaching that? |
| 20:33.17 | yebyen | Axel Schreiner |
| 20:33.24 | yebyen | he's pretty smart |
| 20:33.25 | dho_plan9 | Don't think I've seen him on the list. |
| 20:33.35 | bob489 | carols: is it possible to submit with the permission of a mentoring organization? i couldn't get in to submit my final on time |
| 20:33.39 | yebyen | i've flunked half of his classes and i've had my partner drop from more than that |
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| 20:33.45 | dho_plan9 | bob489: Nope. |
| 20:33.47 | under_hood | hmm seems fedora's summer coding has nothing to do with GSoC (sorry for making mess) |
| 20:33.50 | carols | bob489: nope. the deadline is firm. |
| 20:34.07 | yebyen | man |
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| 20:34.16 | yebyen | i hope it's not too late to apply for HEAP on my Electric Bill |
| 20:34.24 | bob489 | carols: figures, i think this is the first time you have closed it on time |
| 20:34.25 | ArthurLiu | fedora's choice of "summer coding" for a name is.. unfortunate |
| 20:34.28 | yebyen | that thing was bigger this month than i've ever seen it before |
| 20:34.44 | yebyen | bob489: yeah I remember getting a lucky extension in the past |
| 20:34.49 | yebyen | damn |
| 20:34.52 | Crofton | I wish technical conferences were this firm on abstract deadlines |
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| 20:35.11 | gevaerts | If you're going to count on getting an extension, you're not exactly planning things correctly... |
| 20:35.22 | carols | bob489: maybe so. im a new admin so i cant speak to what's happened in the past. :-) |
| 20:35.35 | yebyen | sorry, i just got on pivotaltracker two days ago :( |
| 20:35.41 | bob489 | where is LH? |
| 20:35.45 | dho_plan9 | LH left |
| 20:35.51 | dho_plan9 | carols is her replacement |
| 20:36.00 | carols | what dho_plan9 said :-) |
| 20:36.04 | maco | Crofton: linuxcon just unofficially extended their cfp because they realised they hadnt advertised to *any* of the women's groups (linuxchix, drupalchix, women in free software, etc) and that it screwed up their response rates |
| 20:36.04 | pdelgallego | carols, at least in 2007 they extend the submitting time |
| 20:36.09 | carols | bows |
| 20:36.13 | dho_plan9 | Though I don't think that "replacement" is the greatest word, but whatever, you get the point |
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| 20:36.18 | dho_plan9 | "The New Queen" |
| 20:36.18 | carols | pdelgallego: good to know. |
| 20:36.20 | pdelgallego | carols, that BTW i think was unfair. |
| 20:36.22 | dho_plan9 | hey brooks! |
| 20:36.35 | Crofton | maco, the ones i am thinking off were well advertised |
| 20:36.38 | carols | pdelgallego: extending the deadline or not extending the deadline? |
| 20:36.49 | carols | haha thanks dho_plan9 :-) |
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| 20:37.13 | bob489 | carols: well GL.. but on a serious note, at least the mentoring org i was planning to propose for agrees.. the proposal period is too short, and the "getting to know the organization" period should be merged with that.. |
| 20:37.18 | dho_plan9 | carols: I'm slightly confused about this assigning mentors thing -- any project we're tentatively interested in will need an assignment before Tuesday? |
| 20:37.52 | BHSPitMonkey | yebyen: you're a comp. sci. at RIT? Do you know Dustin Howett? :O |
| 20:37.53 | pdelgallego | carols, I mean, extending the deadline was unfair, even I was accepted that year |
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| 20:37.59 | carols | bob489: i understand. maybe these concerns should have been raised when we announced the timeline? we would have had ample time to deal with it then. |
| 20:38.08 | dho_plan9 | yebyen: do you know Bedlam? :) |
| 20:38.12 | SRabbelier | dho_plan9: yes |
| 20:38.21 | dho_plan9 | SRabbelier: That's a bit of a bummer, but ok. |
| 20:38.28 | SRabbelier | dho_plan9: why? |
| 20:38.33 | Crofton | the best proposal we have went in a day or so after we started accepting proposals |
| 20:38.34 | SRabbelier | dho_plan9: you can assign a different mentor later on |
| 20:38.35 | qwerty360 | given that the applications were editable I don't think there is much excuse for not getting them in on time (at least a draft version)... |
| 20:38.45 | carols | dho_plan9: no. but, for example, if you have 6 mentors, you should have all those 6 mentors assigned to at least one proposal |
| 20:38.50 | SRabbelier | dho_plan9: it's just to make sure that you've at least thought of a mentor for the proposal |
| 20:38.55 | gevaerts | bob489: it's entirely possible and reasonable to submit a proposal well on time, and then discuss things further. I really don't see why the period would be too short |
| 20:39.27 | dho_plan9 | Hm, OK. I'm pretty sure we have more mentors than projects we want to support, so that shouldn't be an issue. Just feels like more of a time crunch than I remember from prior years. |
| 20:39.32 | yebyen | BHSPitMonkey: nope, dho_plan9 nope |
| 20:39.33 | dho_plan9 | But I don't have the greatest memory anyway |
| 20:39.36 | SRabbelier | carols: I think it'd be more accurate to say that if you want 6 slots you should assign a mentor to at least 6 proposals |
| 20:39.43 | yebyen | i'm graduating in 6 weeks |
| 20:39.46 | yebyen | come hell or high water |
| 20:39.47 | carols | dho_plan9: you can change mentors as many times as you'd like all next week. |
| 20:39.48 | jcreigh | as I student, IMO there was plenty of time. |
| 20:39.51 | SRabbelier | carols: (since if you have only 3 mentors, and you want 4 slots, you should assign one mentor twice :P) |
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| 20:39.57 | yebyen | man |
| 20:39.59 | carols | SRabbelier: ah, thanks. |
| 20:40.01 | SRabbelier | is speaking from experience |
| 20:40.03 | yebyen | i can't believe i didn't get one application in on time |
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| 20:40.05 | carols | what SRabbelier said :-) |
| 20:40.08 | SRabbelier | :D |
| 20:40.09 | dho_plan9 | jcreigh: I'm talking about assigning mentors to proposals ;) |
| 20:40.16 | Mek | wasn't it lsat year just a number you could give for the number of slots you wanted? |
| 20:40.19 | aghisla | hi carols, welcome on the soc queen's throne! |
| 20:40.20 | xb95 | I'm going to assign myself as mentor for everything we want to accept, that way I don't confuse my actual mentors with switching things a dozen times. I assume this won't hurt our slot allocation? |
| 20:40.30 | yebyen | i was going to apply to xen, qemu, debian, hurd, plan9/inferno, git, groovy, and factor |
| 20:40.33 | pdelgallego | yebyen, you can still contribute to your org, It will not be part of GSoC, but you will learn a lot anyway |
| 20:40.34 | dho_plan9 | Good question. |
| 20:40.34 | under_hood | bob489: application period seems fair to me too. also IMHO a good filter for students who take it seriously. |
| 20:40.41 | carols | aghisla: thanks! im not the queen until i've earned it though. for now i just work here :-) |
| 20:40.42 | yebyen | and i guess factor is not on the list |
| 20:40.43 | qwerty360 | jcreigh as a student with an exam on the 7th I think it was tight, but there wasnt really any excuse for not getting anything in... |
| 20:40.48 | dho_plan9 | yebyen: What was your interest for us? |
| 20:40.48 | bob489 | gevaerts: my proposal is/was in-depth and contained proof both proof of concept and benchmarking... i don't know your situation.. but i'm a bs/ms student 1 month from graduation as an engineer and i don't speak chinese or indian |
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| 20:41.18 | gevaerts | bob489: so why didn't you submit a draft on time? |
| 20:41.25 | pdelgallego | yebyen, I did last year because I was working, and was I great experience, as good as when I participate in GSoC |
| 20:41.48 | xb95 | are there statistics anywhere yet about how many applications each org got? |
| 20:41.52 | SRabbelier | Mek: yes, but then you also needed to have a mentor assigned |
| 20:41.58 | SRabbelier | xb95: no, each org knows though |
| 20:41.59 | yebyen | dho_plan9: who's us? |
| 20:42.00 | maco | how does the mentor thing work? i want to be a mentor for ubuntu but idk what to do in terms of the gsoc site |
| 20:42.01 | bob489 | gevaerts: i should have submitted a link to my personal site and just updated that... but that is 1/2 assed and looks bad |
| 20:42.08 | dho_plan9 | yebyen: ...plan 9. |
| 20:42.17 | yebyen | dho_plan9: uhh |
| 20:42.19 | yebyen | d'oh |
| 20:42.20 | yebyen | haha |
| 20:42.22 | xb95 | SRabbelier: yeah, we got 68, I was wondering if that's relatively good/high or bad/low |
| 20:42.26 | dho_plan9 | heh |
| 20:42.37 | yebyen | just because it's relatively close to the golang i think |
| 20:42.40 | yebyen | historically |
| 20:42.43 | dho_plan9 | xb95: We got 22 |
| 20:42.47 | yebyen | i looked for a golang gsoc |
| 20:42.49 | dho_plan9 | got 40 last year |
| 20:42.54 | yebyen | and one of the top results was plan9/inferno |
| 20:42.56 | dho_plan9 | yebyen: Yeah they didn't apply unfortunately |
| 20:42.58 | schumaml | 33 here, 5 spam so far |
| 20:43.02 | gevaerts | bob489: you could have submitted a full proposal and linked to supporting data elsewhere |
| 20:43.10 | dho_plan9 | yebyen: We're interested in some work on getting the Go runtime working in P9 |
| 20:43.17 | yebyen | and axel always talks about plan9 guys like they were instrumental in building the ideas of go |
| 20:43.20 | dho_plan9 | yebyen: Apparently Sape has done some work on that |
| 20:43.34 | schumaml | but 11 of the remaining ones came in during the last two hours, haven't looked at them yet |
| 20:43.34 | xb95 | thanks for the info schumaml dho_plan9 |
| 20:43.39 | yebyen | i was going to do the groovy/android project |
| 20:43.41 | dho_plan9 | Also, I ported Go to FreeBSD, so if you want to look at that informally, I'd be glad to help. |
| 20:43.57 | yebyen | but go/android seems more likely in the next 5 weeks |
| 20:44.01 | yebyen | i actually got an android for this class |
| 20:44.06 | under_hood | dho_plan9: good luck with Plan 9. Taking good look at that system is on my TODO list. |
| 20:44.13 | aghisla | wow! will have to append osgeo to my nick on the big mentor summit! \o/ |
| 20:44.13 | dho_plan9 | under_hood: Thanks :) |
| 20:44.14 | yebyen | because they were giving them away, we're supposed to do grad projects on them, i'm not a grad student |
| 20:44.45 | bob489 | gevaerts: seriously... if i would have known the timeline was firmer than the previous "firm" deadlines for SoC i would have... ohh well |
| 20:44.46 | yebyen | so i have to give it back in 5 weeks |
| 20:44.54 | yebyen | but i can use it for pivotaltracker ptmobile in the mean time |
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| 20:45.51 | carols | needs to go catch a plane |
| 20:45.56 | carols | see you soon, SRabbelier! |
| 20:45.57 | dho_plan9 | safe trip to .nl! |
| 20:45.59 | ihalip | !next |
| 20:45.59 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 20:46.04 | Chainsaw | bob489: If you weren't in it for the money, most if not all of the organisations in the summer of code are happy to have you as a volunteer. |
| 20:46.04 | gevaerts | bob489: if there weren't thousands of people who managed to submit good proposals on time, you might have a point... |
| 20:46.06 | carols | thanks dho_plan9 :-) |
| 20:46.07 | dho_plan9 | veel plezier :) |
| 20:46.17 | carols | trundles off |
| 20:46.21 | SRabbelier | carols: take care!! |
| 20:46.26 | SRabbelier | whoops, too sloow |
| 20:46.29 | dho_plan9 | ETELAAT |
| 20:46.34 | Chainsaw | bob489: It's not over, just the possibility to get paid evaporated because of bad planning on your side. |
| 20:46.37 | yebyen | well i was in it for the money |
| 20:46.40 | yebyen | but maybe someone will pay me |
| 20:46.49 | xb95 | ELATTE mm |
| 20:46.57 | dho_plan9 | We can't, unfortunately. |
| 20:46.57 | yebyen | i have so much money for coffee, then you won't see me, because i won't have money to pay the droid bill. |
| 20:47.08 | yebyen | or i'll figure out how to steal the neighbors' internet a little better |
| 20:47.11 | schumaml | some orgs use the org part of the soc money to fund additional projects |
| 20:47.19 | yebyen | and transcend something or other |
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| 20:47.31 | dho_plan9 | We're still working on some of that, organizationally. |
| 20:47.41 | dho_plan9 | Hopefully something we can do starting next year. |
| 20:47.48 | emmanuelp | is the timeline thing now set to the accepted student proposals date? |
| 20:47.51 | emmanuelp | !timeline |
| 20:47.51 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 20:48.01 | yebyen | well i suppose i better decide who i really wanted to work with |
| 20:48.06 | yebyen | and start lurking in their channels |
| 20:48.11 | emmanuelp | ahh I meant the countdown thing :) |
| 20:48.11 | Chainsaw | yebyen: That is the best move to make, yes. |
| 20:48.12 | yebyen | lol |
| 20:48.15 | emmanuelp | !countdown |
| 20:48.15 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 20:48.18 | dho_plan9 | You're always welcome in #plan9. |
| 20:48.39 | bob489 | deff not in it for the money... i made the same amount in less than 6 weeks at my last internship |
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| 20:48.56 | Chainsaw | yebyen: Note that under LH, any student that delivered work equal to what the summer of code students produced unpaid... was offered a Google schwag bag & t-shirt. |
| 20:49.07 | yebyen | bob489: i haven't had an internship that paid like that in the last 3 years |
| 20:49.13 | yebyen | i finished my college "internship requirement" |
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| 20:49.20 | Chainsaw | yebyen: You'd have to ask carols whether that still applies, but that's another motivator for you to keep in mind. |
| 20:49.28 | yebyen | Chainsaw: does it come with a 30 day droid free in the bag? |
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| 20:49.31 | yebyen | maybe? |
| 20:49.32 | yebyen | :) |
| 20:49.41 | yebyen | because by that time i'll want to try another one |
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| 20:51.35 | bob489 | yebyen: internships are the best.. mine was 2 summers ago... i would seriously work for 2 hrs a day... if it weren't for this great economy and market i would be working there now |
| 20:51.50 | yebyen | bob489: i had terrible series of internship |
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| 20:51.59 | yebyen | one place wanted me to make website basically |
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| 20:52.16 | yebyen | the next wanted me to test a giant message queue application without writing any code |
| 20:52.24 | yebyen | and then complained when i didn't write any code |
| 20:52.27 | yebyen | "why didn't you?" |
| 20:52.42 | yebyen | almost soured me on the whole field |
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| 20:53.23 | qwerty360 | tbh I am still looking at internships, but I think I would be lucky in this economy to get one... |
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| 20:54.24 | bob489 | yebyen: I study electrical engineering, i wrote a load monitoring app in python for a senior project... all in python and bundled it for windows... they still use it to monitor the grid... automated contingency studies and short circuit studies... it used to take 4 engineers months to create those reports... my apps can do them all in < 30 minutes |
| 20:55.19 | bob489 | they hired me after that and wanted to keep me... but utilties went way down w/ the economy suffering so bad.. no one uses electric like they did a few years ago |
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| 20:57.41 | yebyen | bobbens: the only internship i ever got that i was really proud of was where I wrote a big Xml forms application, basically from scratch, to clean up the mess of interdepartmental paper forms that was in this bank company |
| 20:57.48 | yebyen | that was before i came to college |
| 20:58.13 | int3 | it would be nice if orgs would post up the ideas that haven't been taken up |
| 20:58.17 | int3 | for people who want to work on them for free |
| 20:58.33 | dho_plan9 | We won't know for 2 weeks :) |
| 20:58.38 | dho_plan9 | we may have a good idea, though. |
| 20:58.42 | Migi32 | is there a place I can see the number of proposals per org? |
| 20:58.46 | dho_plan9 | Nope. |
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| 20:58.52 | Migi32 | k |
| 20:58.53 | dho_plan9 | We got 22, though. |
| 20:59.04 | dho_plan9 | Someone else was mentioning 60-something |
| 20:59.04 | Migi32 | and that is? |
| 20:59.09 | dho_plan9 | Plan 9 |
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| 20:59.59 | Migi32 | dho_plan9, how many slots did you get? |
| 21:00.33 | dhaun | none, like everybody else :) |
| 21:00.43 | dhaun | i.e. this will only be decided later |
| 21:00.46 | Migi32 | ok |
| 21:00.48 | tontoto | plan9! http://news.cnet.com/i/bto/20091111/plan9_Glenda_bunny_250x271.jpg |
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| 21:01.17 | aghisla | so CUTE |
| 21:01.34 | tontoto | :-B |
| 21:01.46 | Yinghua | hello |
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| 21:02.04 | Yinghua | How many proposals did you submit? I did 2 |
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| 21:03.14 | under_hood | Yinghua: only 1 |
| 21:03.49 | Yinghua | I see. |
| 21:03.58 | Yinghua | Got to leave now. |
| 21:04.05 | Yinghua | Bye guys |
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| 21:04.36 | BHSPitMonkey | Will students find out from their organizations if they've been accepted before apr. 26? |
| 21:04.36 | yebyen | what are these slots? |
| 21:04.47 | Catfish_Man | yebyen: number of students the organization can accept |
| 21:04.48 | yebyen | mentoring organizations can host slots many students? |
| 21:04.49 | yebyen | ahh |
| 21:05.06 | mayanks43 | are the stats available now? |
| 21:05.06 | yebyen | guaranteed, or last word? |
| 21:05.20 | yebyen | meaning, if you got no slots, you might still get a student |
| 21:05.29 | yebyen | with GSOC funding |
| 21:05.36 | dhaun | BHSPitMonkey: nope. in fact, we've been ask not to pre-announce |
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| 21:05.40 | mayanks43 | !stats |
| 21:05.41 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 21:05.42 | Catfish_Man | yebyen: the slots number *is* the student number, and it can change |
| 21:05.45 | BHSPitMonkey | dhaun: ah, thanks |
| 21:05.45 | tontoto | Can we get a public link to our proposals? |
| 21:05.58 | emmanuelp | so, is there any extra value of making your proposals public? |
| 21:06.10 | mayanks43 | not now |
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| 21:06.14 | mayanks43 | it was earlier |
| 21:06.18 | mayanks43 | for proof reading |
| 21:06.29 | caden | 2 hours left? did we get an extension? |
| 21:06.36 | mayanks43 | no |
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| 21:06.44 | mayanks43 | time's up |
| 21:06.53 | caden | !countdown |
| 21:06.53 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 21:07.12 | dho_plan9 | heh |
| 21:07.17 | caden | countdown for me still says 2 hours. weird. |
| 21:07.25 | mayanks43 | it is moving forward |
| 21:07.28 | mayanks43 | not going backward |
| 21:07.32 | mayanks43 | if u can notice |
| 21:07.32 | schumaml | caden: "since" |
| 21:07.36 | dho_plan9 | and it says "since" |
| 21:07.37 | ihalip | it's been 2 hours *since* |
| 21:07.39 | caden | shouldn't it say -2 hours then? |
| 21:07.44 | dho_plan9 | ...since. |
| 21:07.47 | borja | socinfo: learn countdown as The deadline for submitting a student project proposal has passed. |
| 21:07.48 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 21:07.52 | borja | !countdown |
| 21:07.52 | mayanks43 | huff |
| 21:07.52 | socinfo | "countdown" is (#1) The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline, or (#2) The deadline for submitting a student project proposal has passed. |
| 21:07.57 | mayanks43 | try sending a proposal |
| 21:07.57 | ihalip | It is 0 days, 2 hours, 7 minutes and 51 seconds since |
| 21:08.01 | borja | hrm |
| 21:08.06 | caden | thank you borja |
| 21:08.16 | dhaun | !forget countdown 1 |
| 21:08.16 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 21:08.21 | dhaun | !countdown |
| 21:08.21 | socinfo | "countdown" is The deadline for submitting a student project proposal has passed. |
| 21:08.26 | borja | hi5s dhaun |
| 21:08.38 | ihalip | !next |
| 21:08.38 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 21:08.39 | caden | heh |
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| 21:09.49 | mayanks43 | \help |
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| 21:11.07 | ThomasWaldmann | is there some rule for students who submitted a "pseudo proposal", that has all personal details, but lacks most of the project description, timeline, etc. so that there is not much more than the project title? |
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| 21:11.36 | borja | ThomasWaldmann: that depends on the org |
| 21:11.37 | aghisla | a bunch of -4? |
| 21:11.41 | tontoto | there was a section to provide a link to extra information :) |
| 21:11.46 | borja | ThomasWaldmann: e.g., in our org we mark those as ineligible |
| 21:13.17 | ThomasWaldmann | well, the student looks like capable enough to put the missing part into some comment |
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| 21:13.47 | ThomasWaldmann | (i guess he ran out of time because he submitted also another proposal) |
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| 21:14.37 | gevaerts | ThomasWaldmann: it's up to you basically |
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| 21:33.50 | ebo | Thought this might amuse you all. One of the plan9 proposals was appearently submitted 1.23 seconds before the deadline. Now THAT is what I call cutting it close! |
| 21:34.01 | Catfish_Man | nice |
| 21:34.09 | Catfish_Man | one latency spike on their connection and they'd have been sunk |
| 21:34.20 | ebo | yep. |
| 21:34.35 | ebo | or even a good SNEEZE! |
| 21:35.08 | David_Honeynet | ebo: heh, you beat us - we had 3 in the final minute, one with 8.4 seconds to go ;-) |
| 21:35.17 | dho_plan9 | ebo: I pasted that earlier :) |
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| 21:35.37 | dho_plan9 | I was amused |
| 21:35.55 | ebo | dho_plan9: yep. I missed it here and only saw it on plan9 |
| 21:36.04 | dho_plan9 | less traffic |
| 21:36.05 | gevaerts | ebo: our 3.92 seconds loses to that |
| 21:36.25 | dho_plan9 | 18:59:58.732495 |
| 21:36.40 | Diuturnal | is curious to see how much over the deadline he was. |
| 21:36.45 | r0bby|android | !next |
| 21:36.46 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 21:36.59 | ebo | dho_plan9: I understand. I would love to know just how stressed they were hacking the last bit watching the clock in a seperate window... |
| 21:38.04 | dho_plan9 | not terribly, it would appear. |
| 21:38.35 | tierra | looks like the proposal table in Melange doesn't sort quite right with either the Rank or the Score |
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| 21:38.52 | r0bby|android | sighs |
| 21:38.59 | r0bby|android | I hope I get this |
| 21:39.00 | JSund | the applications that arrived seconds before the deadline - were those times for the first submissions or small adjustents? |
| 21:39.13 | dho_plan9 | first submission in our case. |
| 21:40.05 | ebo | Actually it is likely that 1.267505 seconds is likely going to be the "under the wire" champion for quite some time. You know if he actually gets accepted and the project suceeds, then it will be on hellofa story for the records ;-) |
| 21:41.47 | dho_plan9 | i don't recall whether I've seen a shorter one in previous years |
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| 21:46.53 | tontoto | 1 second is just so lucky |
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| 21:50.25 | micahcowan | I understand that mentors can mark themselves as interested in mentoring a proposal, however, I don't see where org admins can see that information. |
| 21:50.36 | xb95 | has the same question as micahcowan. |
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| 21:50.40 | micahcowan | There's "Proposed Mentors", but I had been under the impression that was a field that students filled out? |
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| 21:52.45 | brik | proposed mentors is where mentors themselves put themselves down as interested in a project |
| 21:52.51 | brik | I think |
| 21:53.16 | cmurillo1 | there's an option that says I am willing to mentor this project I think, where you review the proposals |
| 21:54.12 | dberkholz | micahcowan: it's at the very top of each proposal |
| 21:54.33 | dberkholz | micahcowan: and the first people in the dropdown are the ones who nominated themselves |
| 21:54.51 | Wolf_OSGeo | micahcowan: that's the place where the mentors who are willing to mentor will show up |
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| 22:09.35 | emmanuelp | So, I applied for a project of my own through one of the organizations, did I have to suggest a mentor? |
| 22:09.43 | emmanuelp | !faq |
| 22:09.43 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 22:10.02 | r0bby|android | emmanuelp: no |
| 22:10.09 | r0bby|android | A mentor will find u |
| 22:10.10 | Wolf_OSGeo | emmanuelp: nope |
| 22:10.44 | emmanuelp | k, well I did lol, I guess that shouldn't be a problem right? they would just ignore it? |
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| 22:24.41 | micahcowan | dberkholz, the bit at the top of each proposal, according to my understanding, is what is actually filled in by the student? |
| 22:24.49 | micahcowan | My understanding may well be wrong, but if so I'd like verification. |
| 22:25.17 | micahcowan | I do recall at least one student asking here whether it was okay to leave the "recommended mentors" portion of their application blank, which is what gives me this impression. |
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| 22:26.38 | merwok | Hi everyone. I'm checking my user profile and not sure about something. Does "graduation" mean the year when I'll complete my current diplom (masters), or year when I completed my bachelor? |
| 22:26.56 | dberkholz | micahcowan: that comes from a button that mentors click when reviewing -- something like "i could mentor this" |
| 22:27.11 | micahcowan | Wolf_OSGeo, "that's the place where the mentors who are willing to mentor will show up" <-- what is the place? If the proposed mentors, then see the concerns I just mentioned. If the dropdown, well, _all_ the mentors show up there in every proposal, so not entirely heflpful |
| 22:27.37 | micahcowan | dberkholz, if that's the case, then what comes from the field that the students fill out? |
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| 22:30.35 | neal1 | has the deadline passed for registering as a student for gsoc? |
| 22:30.48 | xiainx | neal1: the submission deadline has passed |
| 22:30.54 | neal1 | :( |
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| 22:31.34 | neal1 | oh, it's 5pm UTC, oh well there is always next year |
| 22:32.00 | dhaun | that's the spirit :) |
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| 22:32.53 | Wolf_OSGeo | micahcowan: I meant for each proposal it lists: Mentor, there the selected mentor shows up. And then the Possible mentors then the possible mentors show up, and indeed the dropdown lists all mentors |
| 22:33.33 | Wolf_OSGeo | micahcowan: It allows you to assing any mentor, in case the mentor hasn't pressed the "I want" button |
| 22:33.48 | merwok | The Wikipedia article about graduation in the US doesn't help much. Can someone help a French student here? :) |
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| 22:35.13 | damonwang | !timeline |
| 22:35.13 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 22:35.18 | damonwang | !next |
| 22:35.19 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 22:35.41 | gevaerts | merwok: I'd assume it means the year you'll finish whatever you're working on now |
| 22:35.46 | micahcowan | Wolf_OSGeo, "Mentor" only applies once I've actually assigned one, so that's not helpful. And in "Possible" mentors, there's no way to tell which ones have applied to be a mentor. |
| 22:36.03 | gevaerts | i.e. never a year less than 2010 |
| 22:36.13 | merwok | Thanks gevaerts. Anyone from a US university or from Google can confirm? |
| 22:36.30 | micahcowan | There's the "proposed mentors" at the top, which dberkholz has suggested is what I want, but I need confirmation |
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| 22:36.46 | Wolf_OSGeo | micahcowan: possible mentors only lists those who have pressed the "I want". Soory I think I lost the thread. Could you repeat: what is your problem? |
| 22:36.52 | micahcowan | Given that it seems to me like that could be the list of mentors the students recommend (since they apparently are able to do that) |
| 22:37.03 | merwok | The input does say "*expected* graduation date", which puts us in the future, so our interpretation seems right :) |
| 22:37.06 | micahcowan | "Possible mentors" lists _all_ mentors, AFAICT. The list is way too long to be otherwise. |
| 22:37.29 | Wolf_OSGeo | micahcowan: the one on the top lists only those mentors who have pressed the "I want" button |
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| 22:37.43 | Wolf_OSGeo | micahcowan: confirmed (I just checked in my app) |
| 22:37.50 | micahcowan | Wolf_OSGeo, okay. In that case, what happens to the ones that the student recommends? |
| 22:37.53 | brik | where do you see possible mentors? |
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| 22:38.05 | micahcowan | (And thanks for confirming) |
| 22:38.07 | Wolf_OSGeo | brik: in the porposal page |
| 22:38.29 | x` | things quieted down yet? :) |
| 22:38.30 | Wolf_OSGeo | micahcowan: Students can't recommend mentors?!?? |
| 22:38.41 | Wolf_OSGeo | x`: no :P |
| 22:39.11 | Wolf_OSGeo | micahcowan: except perhaps in their app? But afaict they can't request one via melange |
| 22:39.14 | x` | ah, what's the word on the street now |
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| 22:39.16 | brik | mm I can't see that |
| 22:39.30 | x` | btw, Wolf_OSGeo, my old man is a writer for a magazine called Geoinformatics :) |
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| 22:40.29 | micahcowan | Wolf_OSGeo, what exactly is the difference between "their app" and "melange"? |
| 22:40.34 | Wolf_OSGeo | brik: right under Student: Steve Student there is Mentor: Marvin Mentor and under that Possible mentors: Marvin Mentor, Melissa Mentor |
| 22:41.03 | Wolf_OSGeo | x`: Cool! |
| 22:41.12 | Wolf_OSGeo | x`: did you apply to us? |
| 22:41.25 | micahcowan | My understanding is they have a field where they can list recommended mentors on their app (which is the same thing as their proposal, after all). Maybe it just sends a notification to the mentor, who has to approve before they get listed in the mentor/org admin view, I dunno. Just trying to find out. |
| 22:41.54 | x` | nah, don't want to follow in the footsteps of the old man, that path is a hard one to match |
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| 22:42.25 | x` | but he did say that in one story of his, that genomics is mapping too, so he's cool with it (i went for open bio foundation) |
| 22:42.33 | x` | ;) |
| 22:42.39 | Wolf_OSGeo | micahcowan: sorry I haven't even heard of that. My understanding and the word on the street seems to be "mentors will find students" not the other way around |
| 22:43.26 | Wolf_OSGeo | x`: cool! I actually started studying bioinformatics before switching to geoinformatics :) |
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| 22:44.05 | micahcowan | Wolf_OSGeo, what do you call emmanuelp's thread above, then? |
| 22:44.11 | x` | Wolf_OSGeo: have you ever heard of this magazine though? this is something he wrote recently, and he's really proud of it as far as i can tell ... http://www.geoinformatics.com/layouts/cmediacmedia/secure/CADCOURANT/Article-Geolocation-Joc.pdf |
| 22:44.44 | micahcowan | I read that as saying that he recommended a mentor... and I saw a similar question from a student at least one other time ("is it okay to leave the mentors field blank?"). |
| 22:45.28 | Wolf_OSGeo | micahcowan: who knows. Maybe their org template has a question about that? |
| 22:46.31 | x` | i have to be going now, or else it will upset the missis something mighty ;) see you all tomorrow, and good luck! |
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| 22:50.49 | micahcowan | Wolf_OSGeo, hm, that could make a good deal of sense. |
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| 22:51.28 | Wolf_OSGeo | micahcowan: I have a screenshot of a student view of making an app, hang on I'll see |
| 22:51.37 | micahcowan | sweet |
| 22:51.49 | micahcowan | and thanks for going to so much trouble, just to assuage my paranoia :) |
| 22:52.18 | Wolf_OSGeo | micahcowan: ah sorry no screenshot :( |
| 22:52.33 | micahcowan | Wolf_OSGeo, doh! :) |
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| 22:53.18 | micahcowan | Well, no worries, my confidence in what the list is has at least grown through verbal confirmation. I'll just do what I'm hearing everyone else is doing, and if it's wrong, I can always sort it out later. |
| 22:53.20 | Wolf_OSGeo | micahcowan: heh, my pleasure. But IMHO there still isn't a way for students to assign or request mentors via the melange system |
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| 22:53.27 | micahcowan | Important thing is getting some names on 'em. :) |
| 22:53.35 | Wolf_OSGeo | yes! :d |
| 22:55.02 | merwok | Good next part of day people. |
| 22:57.02 | aganice | micahcowan, FWIW as a student i can tell you i didn't have any field labelled any variation on "mentor" in my application form |
| 22:57.27 | Wolf_OSGeo | micahcowan: there you go! :D |
| 22:57.49 | aganice | +1 to "it was probably a q in an org's template" |
| 22:58.20 | merwok | The input fields for Jabber IDs are really bizarre. |
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| 23:01.06 | micahcowan | aganice, thanks very much,. |
| 23:01.15 | aganice | np :) |
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| 23:49.00 | d4ddi0 | Well.... This channel is quiet now that the initial weeping an gnashing of teeth is over :) |
| 23:49.32 | _Samo | guys I have a question |
| 23:49.43 | _Samo | we would like to proceed honestly with this |
| 23:50.11 | _Samo | we have some last minute applications to our project well they are not spam... but close |
| 23:50.33 | Catfish_Man | generally that would be a "mark those invalid" situation |
| 23:50.44 | Catfish_Man | or just downvote and ignore |
| 23:50.47 | d4ddi0 | or at least rate them acordingly |
| 23:50.55 | _Samo | they are guys with background on the topic they applying to |
| 23:51.47 | _Samo | but his application is poor and their previous interaction with us is non existant |
| 23:52.04 | Catfish_Man | what's the question? |
| 23:52.33 | _Samo | shall we mark them invalid or rate them accordingly |
| 23:54.02 | Catfish_Man | just consider the message you want to send to the students in question. If it's "this wasn't good enough", then rate them down. If it's "this wasn't even worth our time", mark invalid |
| 23:54.35 | _Samo | ok thanks for your answer |
| 23:54.40 | danderson | I would say that on-topic but very poor is rank down (with -4 and the like), not invalid |
| 23:54.45 | danderson | but it's pretty much up to you. |
| 23:57.06 | _Samo | danderson, well basically they repeat our 'ideas page' text, and basically say 'I will manage' |
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| 23:57.34 | _Samo | but at least they have background on the topic |
| 23:57.37 | danderson | _Samo: any justification for "I will manage" ? |
| 23:57.44 | danderson | that really is borderline spam. |
| 23:58.22 | _Samo | danderson, thats my summary of his text and it is subjective |
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