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| 00:00.33 | klical | nvm |
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| 00:02.11 | ThomasWaldmann | py 2.4/2.5 |
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| 00:09.33 | klical | i wish bug fixing was a valid soc idea lol |
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| 00:19.29 | robbyoconnor | klical: good luck |
| 00:19.45 | robbyoconnor | you may wanna sit this year out and work on your programming skills then apply |
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| 00:19.59 | robbyoconnor | if you know ONE language and can think in code -- then you should be ok |
| 00:20.05 | robbyoconnor | AT LEAST* |
| 00:20.36 | sharavsambuu | i know java and c++ |
| 00:20.53 | sharavsambuu | what project is better for me? |
| 00:21.36 | klical | actually i do know programming |
| 00:21.40 | klical | i just don't know software engineering |
| 00:21.49 | sharavsambuu | sure |
| 00:21.49 | klical | or programming in the large |
| 00:22.46 | robbyoconnor | klical: then you dont know programming LOL |
| 00:22.55 | robbyoconnor | you know syntax that's it lol |
| 00:23.06 | robbyoconnor | klical: break it up into small manageable pieces |
| 00:23.20 | klical | i know up to that |
| 00:23.35 | robbyoconnor | then you should be fine |
| 00:23.43 | robbyoconnor | be prepared to be self motivated |
| 00:23.51 | robbyoconnor | your mentor isnt gonna say "do this and do that" |
| 00:24.01 | sharavsambuu | sounds good robby |
| 00:24.01 | robbyoconnor | you'll have a plan and follow it tweaking where necessary |
| 00:24.12 | robbyoconnor | (i'm not ranting, i'm stating how it is) |
| 00:24.25 | sharavsambuu | robby |
| 00:24.27 | klical | will the mentor tell you what the end result should look like? |
| 00:24.38 | robbyoconnor | you should know what the end result will look like |
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| 00:24.43 | bawr | robbyoconnor: You know we don't mind your rants, anyway. :) |
| 00:24.46 | sharavsambuu | are you mentor? |
| 00:24.50 | robbyoconnor | no im not |
| 00:24.54 | robbyoconnor | I just know lol |
| 00:25.00 | sharavsambuu | =D |
| 00:25.01 | klical | oh lol |
| 00:25.06 | robbyoconnor | ive been around for 3 years |
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| 00:25.47 | summatusmentis | I think it very much depends on the mentor as to how involved they are in the process |
| 00:25.53 | summatusmentis | that said, expect to be pretty self driven |
| 00:26.03 | sharavsambuu | im researching on projects, im still don't know wich is better for me :( |
| 00:26.04 | robbyoconnor | my mentor didn't direct me to do things |
| 00:26.13 | robbyoconnor | he gave me direction. and suggestions |
| 00:26.17 | robbyoconnor | that's about it |
| 00:26.45 | summatusmentis | no, I mean, you're right, you as the student are the one driving the process |
| 00:26.47 | robbyoconnor | by "gave me direction" i mean helped me prioritize thing |
| 00:26.55 | summatusmentis | some mentors are probably just more hands on than others |
| 00:26.55 | robbyoconnor | summatusmentis: yeh I know |
| 00:27.02 | robbyoconnor | mine was hands on |
| 00:27.06 | summatusmentis | that's my only point |
| 00:27.07 | robbyoconnor | and that helped me succeed |
| 00:27.19 | robbyoconnor | he gave me nudges and kept me on task |
| 00:27.28 | sharavsambuu | whats your worked projects? |
| 00:27.42 | robbyoconnor | http://openmrs.org/wiki/FacilityData_Module_Documentation |
| 00:27.45 | robbyoconnor | that's mine |
| 00:27.50 | sharavsambuu | ok |
| 00:27.56 | robbyoconnor | http://openmrs.org/wiki/Facility_Data_Module_Documentation |
| 00:28.02 | Cosmopolitan | if I've taken two C++ courses; one Java course; have only dabbled a little bit in recreational (Qt) GUI programming; and am currently enrolled in a Data Structures class, would I be skilled enough to make any meaningful contributions to GSoC? |
| 00:28.04 | robbyoconnor | might help if i gave the right link |
| 00:28.14 | robbyoconnor | Cosmopolitan: yeh |
| 00:28.16 | scgtrp | Cosmopolitan: depends on the project, really |
| 00:28.16 | robbyoconnor | you should be fine |
| 00:28.35 | robbyoconnor | I doubt you're gonna be defining data structures so you'll be ok |
| 00:28.42 | robbyoconnor | you may wanna understand arrays |
| 00:29.01 | Cosmopolitan | yeah, we finished arrays a while ago, i think i've got a good handle on them |
| 00:29.22 | robbyoconnor | you should be ok |
| 00:29.22 | darkip | Cosmopolitan: linked lists? |
| 00:29.35 | Cosmopolitan | we're about half-way through linked lists right now |
| 00:29.35 | sharavsambuu | hey im from Mongolia and my english is middle, is it possible to contribute :P |
| 00:29.42 | robbyoconnor | Cosmopolitan: hash tables? |
| 00:29.50 | darkip | (and trees) |
| 00:29.52 | Cosmopolitan | robbyoconnor: not yet |
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| 00:29.54 | robbyoconnor | (aka maps or dictionaries |
| 00:30.10 | bawr | robbyoconnor: Well, as long as he knows how to use them. :( |
| 00:30.13 | bawr | *: |
| 00:30.16 | bawr | *:) |
| 00:30.18 | bawr | Arrgh. |
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| 00:30.19 | robbyoconnor | Cosmopolitan: do you know how to use them? |
| 00:30.20 | ThomasWaldmann | arrays (as in fixed size arrays) are poor data structures |
| 00:30.34 | robbyoconnor | yeh. |
| 00:31.06 | Cosmopolitan | robbyoconnor: I've used maps before, but I have a whole data structures book, so i can research any data structure if need be |
| 00:31.20 | robbyoconnor | you'll be fine :) |
| 00:31.27 | Cosmopolitan | cool :) |
| 00:31.29 | robbyoconnor | fwiw, my data structures knowledge blows |
| 00:31.34 | robbyoconnor | I'd have to look up what i need lol |
| 00:31.59 | robbyoconnor | I know them conceptually trees..,. i suck at |
| 00:32.00 | summatusmentis | me too |
| 00:32.12 | summatusmentis | my data structures prof wasn't very good |
| 00:32.17 | robbyoconnor | I *USED TO* be able to do a heap sort by hand lol |
| 00:32.21 | robbyoconnor | mine was insane |
| 00:32.33 | robbyoconnor | you give him egg rolls you get free soda (he's chinese) |
| 00:32.42 | robbyoconnor | I eat a lot of chinese |
| 00:32.48 | robbyoconnor | ...that sounds kinda wrong |
| 00:32.55 | Cosmopolitan | haha |
| 00:33.15 | darkip | ah, I hate heap sort |
| 00:33.20 | robbyoconnor | I mean the food not the people |
| 00:33.28 | darkip | the one noone can ever remember is how red-black trees work |
| 00:33.45 | robbyoconnor | darkip: mine focused on the concepts |
| 00:33.51 | robbyoconnor | he covered less than they do now |
| 00:34.03 | robbyoconnor | apparently the CS program got a massive overhaul AFTER i finished lol |
| 00:34.07 | darkip | hah |
| 00:34.21 | robbyoconnor | I dunno if that's good or bad lol |
| 00:35.22 | Cosmopolitan | this might be a dumb question, but: i always thought it was kind of strange to use Java for a data structures class, since Java does most of the pointer handling FOR you; is it as counter-intuitive as I think it is? |
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| 00:37.10 | klical | there are pointers in java i think, you just can't assign an address manually |
| 00:37.25 | robbyoconnor | Cosmopolitan: what do you think references are? |
| 00:37.27 | Cosmopolitan | yeah, that's what i mean |
| 00:37.28 | darkip | yeah, objects are passed by reference |
| 00:37.35 | robbyoconnor | darkip: BZZT |
| 00:37.41 | robbyoconnor | ALWAYS pass by value |
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| 00:37.55 | darkip | are you sure? |
| 00:37.55 | robbyoconnor | it just so happens it's a COPY of the reference |
| 00:37.59 | darkip | ah right yeah |
| 00:38.00 | robbyoconnor | VERY sure. |
| 00:38.08 | darkip | so effectively passed by reference |
| 00:38.13 | robbyoconnor | no. |
| 00:38.15 | robbyoconnor | dont say that |
| 00:38.17 | robbyoconnor | it's confusing |
| 00:38.24 | robbyoconnor | and kinda borderline wrong |
| 00:38.28 | darkip | true |
| 00:38.31 | darkip | my bad |
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| 00:39.48 | summatusmentis | I really dislike the way java does object management, but that's probably because I learned the C way (partially) first |
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| 00:40.03 | sharavsambuu | where can i find participated list of countries? |
| 00:40.03 | robbyoconnor | summatusmentis: I never learned C proper |
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| 00:40.30 | summatusmentis | robbyoconnor: oh, I taught myself "C++" first |
| 00:40.35 | Cosmopolitan | yeah, i think the reason it struck me as strange is because I learned C++ first, so i was used to explicit pointer handling |
| 00:40.36 | summatusmentis | and all of my GSoC work has been in C |
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| 00:40.50 | robbyoconnor | Cosmopolitan: it's not bad |
| 00:41.04 | robbyoconnor | Cosmopolitan: pointers weeded ouit the weaker students frm the CS program |
| 00:41.12 | darkip | was the same at my uni |
| 00:41.14 | robbyoconnor | but they're still weeded out |
| 00:41.16 | darkip | C then java |
| 00:41.35 | sharavsambuu | pascal -> c-> c++-> java |
| 00:41.41 | sharavsambuu | its ma path :) |
| 00:41.42 | robbyoconnor | GAHHH |
| 00:41.51 | robbyoconnor | i got physics i cant seem to motivate myself to do it :| |
| 00:42.09 | darkip | PHP + Javascript -> C -> Java -> Haskell -> Occam -> ANTLR |
| 00:42.13 | Cosmopolitan | well, i actually just had to move, and my new school taught Java instead of C++, so i had to take the beginner course again; at least I am now thoroughly familiar with all the fundamentals lol |
| 00:42.21 | robbyoconnor | antlr is damn cool |
| 00:42.27 | darkip | antlr makes me want to top myself |
| 00:42.36 | robbyoconnor | is that good or bad? |
| 00:42.38 | darkip | bad. |
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| 00:42.45 | robbyoconnor | the grammar files arent hard to right |
| 00:42.52 | darkip | "right"? |
| 00:42.53 | robbyoconnor | i can read them |
| 00:42.55 | darkip | "grammar" |
| 00:42.57 | darkip | oh the irony |
| 00:42.57 | robbyoconnor | write |
| 00:43.05 | robbyoconnor | LOLLLLLLLLLLLL |
| 00:43.13 | scgtrp | also "aren't" while you're at it |
| 00:43.20 | robbyoconnor | LMFAO |
| 00:43.24 | darkip | grammar nazi says no. |
| 00:43.28 | sharavsambuu | kah kah |
| 00:43.37 | darkip | it's the tree grammars that I'm finding quite tricky |
| 00:44.25 | robbyoconnor | heh |
| 00:44.29 | MatthewWilkes | spectie! |
| 00:44.44 | spectie | hey! |
| 00:44.51 | spectie | i'm just about to crawl into bed :) |
| 00:44.52 | spectie | nn man |
| 00:44.56 | darkip | nn |
| 00:45.03 | sharavsambuu | :D |
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| 00:46.49 | robbyoconnor | :) |
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| 00:48.29 | Cosmopolitan | does your OS really matter, or does it just depend on the project? (like obviously you'd need to be using Linux for XMMS) |
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| 00:48.48 | Catfish_Man | the latter |
| 00:49.31 | MatthewWilkes | darkip: Hmm, C, Java, Haskell, Occam, ANTLR? Are you by any chance at the university of bristol? |
| 00:49.36 | darkip | yuhhuh |
| 00:49.48 | darkip | are you? |
| 00:50.04 | MatthewWilkes | Good man! I was going to send out a mass email |
| 00:50.07 | MatthewWilkes | Yeah |
| 00:50.14 | darkip | what year? |
| 00:50.19 | MatthewWilkes | 2nd year German |
| 00:50.21 | MatthewWilkes | yourself? |
| 00:50.26 | darkip | 2nd year as well |
| 00:50.31 | darkip | what do you mean german? |
| 00:50.47 | MatthewWilkes | I'm reading German for a B.A. |
| 00:51.09 | darkip | oh right |
| 00:51.14 | darkip | I just assumed you were on CS |
| 00:51.28 | darkip | (and naturally went to look up your photo on the internal site :P ) |
| 00:51.44 | MatthewWilkes | darkip: Go to past undergraduates, should still be on there |
| 00:51.49 | MatthewWilkes | although that photo is 6 years old |
| 00:52.27 | MatthewWilkes | darkip: Make sure you tell your friends to apply for SoC too! ;) |
| 00:52.34 | darkip | yeah, I have |
| 00:52.38 | darkip | my mates idling in here too |
| 00:52.49 | darkip | your pictures gone unfortunately :P |
| 00:53.37 | darkip | what are you applying for? |
| 00:54.05 | MatthewWilkes | darkip: I'm not, I'm an organisation admin for the Plone project |
| 00:54.11 | darkip | ooh, shnazzy |
| 00:55.44 | MatthewWilkes | darkip: yourself? |
| 00:55.53 | darkip | I'm applying for StatusNet |
| 00:56.04 | darkip | getting some web development in |
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| 00:59.05 | MatthewWilkes | darkip: Good, good! You'll learn much more than you would in the web tech course at bris. |
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| 00:59.42 | darkip | I'm already proficient in PHP, MySQL, javascript etc so I doubt I would have got much from the course anyway |
| 01:00.25 | MatthewWilkes | darkip: Who's this other bristol lurker, then? There's usually only 1 or 2 from bristol, nice to know there's more this time around |
| 01:00.32 | darkip | Dakmor |
| 01:00.43 | darkip | there's probably more that I don't know of |
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| 01:02.41 | sharavsambuu | blah >.< it's difficult than my thoughts |
| 01:03.33 | sharavsambuu | but not impossible :) |
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| 03:24.11 | arunmathew88 | Excuse me, can I modify a proposal, once it is submitted via GSoC web site? |
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| 03:26.17 | skbohra | arunmathew88: yea until deadline |
| 03:26.54 | unknown_had_ | skbohra: did you submitted your application? |
| 03:26.55 | arunmathew88 | skbohra: I can even completely revamp a proposal? |
| 03:27.21 | skbohra | arunmathew88: yea you can, but better make comment too, to notify reviewer |
| 03:27.29 | skbohra | unknown_had_: not yet in soc site |
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| 03:28.18 | arunmathew88 | skbohra: if u didnt submit application through soc site, how do you know ? |
| 03:28.39 | skbohra | arunmathew88: that was last year :D |
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| 03:28.59 | skbohra | arunmathew88: and its almost same this year too |
| 03:29.17 | arunmathew88 | ok thanks |
| 03:29.23 | skbohra | arunmathew88: and its just advice you can totally ignore it :) |
| 03:29.23 | arunmathew88 | thank u so much |
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| 03:30.44 | Titan-C | Hi, I'd like to participate in this years GSoC, with the project of "Shape up linear algebra" |
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| 03:31.17 | Catfish_Man | Titan-C: with the ghost of Gauss mentoring? |
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| 03:31.43 | Dark_Shikari | Catfish_Man: lol |
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| 03:33.26 | Titan-C | I'm new to this, I know nobody here, but I'm really interested in that project |
| 03:34.03 | Catfish_Man | Titan-C: is that a project with a particular mentoring organization? |
| 03:34.03 | Titan-C | I need to know who can be my mentor |
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| 03:34.19 | Catfish_Man | ...ah, I see, so the answer is no |
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| 03:34.39 | Catfish_Man | Titan-C: you may be misunderstanding how gsoc works. You propose a project to one of the participating organizations |
| 03:34.54 | Catfish_Man | but it needs to be working on the code that organization is responsible for, or something related to it |
| 03:35.01 | Titan-C | It is proposed in the ideas in gentoo linux, with S'ebastien Fabbro as mentor |
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| 03:35.10 | Catfish_Man | ah I see |
| 03:35.11 | Catfish_Man | well then |
| 03:35.15 | Catfish_Man | apply to gentoo linux! |
| 03:36.08 | Dark_Shikari | yeah, this is #gsoc |
| 03:36.10 | Dark_Shikari | not #gentoo |
| 03:36.41 | Catfish_Man | instructions on applying can, I'm sure, be found in the faq :) |
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| 03:39.15 | rajat | ghost of Gauss! LOL |
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| 03:43.17 | robbyoconnor | Green :( |
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| 03:48.30 | vyas021 | here any buddy for adding sense to beagle ? |
| 03:48.40 | arunmathew88 | Excuse me, I have a network drive application developed by me. I would like to continue working on it under GSoC. Who would be the best organisation to whom I can propose this Idea? |
| 03:49.27 | Guest53231 | network drive? |
| 03:49.32 | abhishekbit | !timeline |
| 03:49.33 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 03:51.16 | arunmathew88 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:55.13 | ojwb | arunmathew88: i think you'll probably struggle to find an org willing to mentor for such a project |
| 03:55.23 | Greasy_Lotus | maybe gentoo |
| 03:55.42 | ojwb | most projects are either ideas from orgs, or ideas from students for working on existing projects at the org |
| 03:55.44 | micahcowan | arunmathew88, aside from the specific hurdle of needing to be an existing GNU project, I think you'll find that the other points I made in pm will apply to any other org as well. |
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| 03:55.47 | ojwb | but it's not impossible |
| 03:56.08 | ojwb | best bet is to look at the "umbrella" orgs |
| 03:56.59 | arunmathew88 | micahcowan: Yea I remember, I was just doing a finishing search before applying directly to Google (which has the least probability of getting approved) |
| 03:57.16 | jenred | arunmathew88 talk to Portland State University |
| 03:57.43 | jenred | they generally seem to be very flexible with regards to design your own project |
| 03:58.28 | arunmathew88 | ojwb: Greasy_Lotus: Thank you |
| 03:58.39 | arunmathew88 | jenred: Thanks let me try |
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| 04:07.49 | N1TH335H | HELLO |
| 04:08.08 | MatthewWilkes | hi |
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| 04:08.36 | N1TH335H | hey this is my first time on irc |
| 04:08.41 | arunmathew88 | jenred: do you know the project admin, or any mentor, with whom I can discuss? |
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| 04:09.07 | vyas021 | N1TH335H: welcome |
| 04:10.18 | vyas021 | N1TH335H: :) |
| 04:11.18 | N1TH335H | guys can anyone of you please help in my effort to join gosc 2010 |
| 04:11.35 | Catfish_Man | sure. Read the FAQ, find a project you want to do in the idea lists, and apply for it |
| 04:12.17 | robbyoconnor | N1TH335H: RTFM |
| 04:12.19 | N1TH335H | thanks but i read the faq and some of the project ideas but do not know how to apply |
| 04:12.22 | robbyoconnor | (yes I just did) |
| 04:12.44 | robbyoconnor | arunmathew88: as tacky as this sounds: google ;) |
| 04:12.53 | N1TH335H | hey what does RTFM mean |
| 04:12.58 | robbyoconnor | look at their ideas page -- it should list contact means |
| 04:13.06 | robbyoconnor | Read the (Fine) Manual |
| 04:13.08 | robbyoconnor | aka the FAQ |
| 04:13.10 | Catfish_Man | N1TH335H: you'll need to clarify your question. |
| 04:13.20 | Catfish_Man | because based on what you've said so far, it's covered in the faq |
| 04:13.26 | Catfish_Man | but clearly you're having difficulties beyond that |
| 04:13.29 | N1TH335H | i mean i know how to contact them |
| 04:13.33 | robbyoconnor | N1TH335H: it's all covered in the FAQ |
| 04:13.35 | micahcowan | N1TH335H, just go to the app site, pick an org you'd like to submit a proposal for, and... do so? |
| 04:13.44 | robbyoconnor | N1TH335H: look at the projects site |
| 04:13.47 | Catfish_Man | via the webapp |
| 04:13.51 | N1TH335H | but the question is that i'm really new to this |
| 04:13.57 | N1TH335H | so any suggestions |
| 04:14.00 | robbyoconnor | N1TH335H: maybe you're not suited for this... |
| 04:14.00 | micahcowan | Talking with the org via their usual channels beforehand is also very helpful. |
| 04:14.12 | robbyoconnor | not to sound mean but.. |
| 04:14.16 | Catfish_Man | N1TH335H: what micahcowan said |
| 04:14.33 | Catfish_Man | robbyoconnor: oh please, you're having fun being mean this year :P |
| 04:14.42 | robbyoconnor | I haven't been mean! |
| 04:14.51 | micahcowan | Seems a bit mean to me. |
| 04:14.55 | N1TH335H | robby come on dude try to help me |
| 04:15.15 | Catfish_Man | N1TH335H: the point is that being self-directed and the like are *huge* points in favor of a student |
| 04:15.18 | micahcowan | N1TH335H, seriously, though, we can't help you if you can't be specific. |
| 04:15.23 | robbyoconnor | micahcowan: it's the truth -- if he can't read the FAQ or find the REALLLLLLLY obvious "User Manual" link... |
| 04:15.26 | Catfish_Man | needing hand-holding is a bad sign |
| 04:15.45 | Catfish_Man | since the projects themselves are so much harder than applying for them |
| 04:15.51 | micahcowan | robbyoconnor, truth or not, it's not a helpful comment. Maybe phe's a slow starter, whatever. It's not a helpful comment. |
| 04:15.56 | N1TH335H | hey this is my first time so i'm really being confused |
| 04:16.08 | robbyoconnor | hence why I see him not being able to find resources necessary to complete his project indepedently |
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| 04:16.16 | Catfish_Man | N1TH335H: that's true of about 80% of the people who join this channel ;) |
| 04:16.25 | micahcowan | N1TH335H, I think the best thing for you right now, if you have some projects in mine, is just get started actively talking to the relevant orgs. They'll help you. |
| 04:16.25 | robbyoconnor | !faq |
| 04:16.26 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 04:16.27 | Catfish_Man | N1TH335H: clarify your question and perhaps we can help |
| 04:16.30 | robbyoconnor | !manual |
| 04:16.30 | socinfo | Error: "manual" is not a valid command. |
| 04:16.37 | Catfish_Man | ooh, we should fix !manual |
| 04:16.55 | robbyoconnor | !learn manual as http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/userguide |
| 04:16.55 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 04:17.03 | robbyoconnor | N1TH335H: visit that page |
| 04:17.16 | N1TH335H | ok i'l visit it |
| 04:17.18 | N1TH335H | thanks |
| 04:17.24 | robbyoconnor | !learn manual as that thing you should read before asking questions |
| 04:17.25 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 04:17.45 | N1TH335H | sorry i did not know that robby |
| 04:18.03 | Catfish_Man | N1TH335H: anything he says prefixed by "!learn" is teaching our channel bot something |
| 04:18.05 | Catfish_Man | not directed to you |
| 04:18.19 | robbyoconnor | N1TH335H: I apologize if it sounded mean -- I was teaching the bot |
| 04:18.24 | svaksha | !durinbot |
| 04:18.24 | socinfo | Error: "durinbot" is not a valid command. |
| 04:18.43 | Catfish_Man | svaksha: durinbot seems pretty self-explanatory... |
| 04:18.45 | N1TH335H | sorry robb i didnt know that |
| 04:18.58 | robbyoconnor | and as for what I said -- i meant it -- but not in a mean way, one thing you need to know how to do is find things on your own -- applying is the easy part |
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| 04:19.02 | svaksha | got a message from durinbot some days ago |
| 04:19.12 | robbyoconnor | plays with durinbot |
| 04:19.15 | svaksha | so i was trying to awaken it |
| 04:19.21 | robbyoconnor | durinbot: hi |
| 04:19.48 | robbyoconnor | gets back to his application |
| 04:19.51 | robbyoconnor | !melange |
| 04:19.52 | socinfo | "melange" is http://code.google.com/p/soc/ |
| 04:21.30 | N1TH335H | guys i know how to apply, what i ment was that once i've decided what project to work on, how to proceed further |
| 04:21.44 | micahcowan | N1TH335H, we've covered that. |
| 04:22.03 | robbyoconnor | N1TH335H: it's all in the faq |
| 04:22.07 | robbyoconnor | hell even in the manual |
| 04:22.08 | micahcowan | Talk with the project, and get started on your proposal. I don't think there's anything to it beyond that. |
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| 04:25.42 | fLiDe | !next |
| 04:25.42 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 04:54.09 | cpsec | Hi, is GSOC site ok now? |
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| 04:56.51 | robbyoconnor | it's not ok! |
| 04:56.54 | zzz__ | Hello, can anyone tell me what Google's privacy policy is regarding the information I provide when I apply for Google Summer of Code? For example, my birth date. |
| 04:56.57 | robbyoconnor | you realllly hurt its feelings! |
| 04:57.15 | robbyoconnor | zzz__: read the agreement? |
| 04:57.35 | robbyoconnor | and the link "'Privacy Policy" at the bottom |
| 04:58.42 | zzz__ | robbyoconnor: Yes and no. The "Privacy Policy" link takes me to Google's generic privacy page, and I didn't find SoC related information, but maybe I didn't look deep enough. |
| 04:59.04 | robbyoconnor | zzz__: it's one and the same.. |
| 04:59.11 | robbyoconnor | why does it matter? |
| 04:59.25 | robbyoconnor | you're handing them tax information at the start of the program |
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| 05:01.04 | zzz__ | robbyoconnor: Maybe I am a bit paranoid about these matters. Is there a page which details what information I need to give Google, aside from proof of being a student? |
| 05:01.32 | robbyoconnor | zzz__: a tax form (if you're a US citizen, this will likely contain your SSN |
| 05:02.10 | robbyoconnor | an IRS tax form -- i forgot which form |
| 05:02.16 | Catfish_Man | zzz__: this is essentially equivalent (and iirc legally *is* equivalent) to a summer job |
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| 05:02.43 | zzz__ | robbyoconnor: Actually, I am not a US citizen, and I will not be in the US during the summer. |
| 05:02.50 | zzz__ | robbyoconnor: (I am in Canada.) |
| 05:02.51 | robbyoconnor | zzz__: you are basically being hired as a contractor for google |
| 05:03.42 | robbyoconnor | zzz__: if you're that paranoid (seriously?) don't apply... |
| 05:04.00 | robbyoconnor | trust the Open Source Office to not be stupid w/ your info |
| 05:04.12 | robbyoconnor | and they won't be |
| 05:04.20 | robbyoconnor | they're legally bound to the privacy policy |
| 05:05.45 | zzz__ | robbyoconnor: I think it is reasonable to have the right to know what they might do with my personal info, and they don't have a specific privacy policy page for SoC. |
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| 05:06.20 | Catfish_Man | Google rarely uses a specific privacy policy instead of the general one for anything, in my experience |
| 05:06.24 | Catfish_Man | which backfired with Chrome at one point |
| 05:06.28 | Catfish_Man | although that was fixed quickly |
| 05:06.38 | micahcowan | zzz__, yes, it is. But the same protections that prevent other employers from spreading your personal info, provide the same protection in this case. |
| 05:07.31 | zzz__ | micahcowan: Never thought of it that way. Hopefully this applies whether or not I am a U.S. citizen. |
| 05:08.08 | micahcowan | Though I suppose that might apply more to what you submit after acceptance... the privacy policy is probably what applies to profile stuff, primarily. |
| 05:09.34 | robbyoconnor | zzz__: I'm just questioning WHY it matters lol |
| 05:09.48 | robbyoconnor | what do you think google is this all powerful, all mighty being?! |
| 05:09.54 | robbyoconnor | gonna take over the world? :) |
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| 05:10.45 | zzz__ | robbyoconnor: I guess it is a personal thing. You might not worry about it while someone else might. |
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| 05:11.59 | robbyoconnor | I have nothing to hide :) |
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| 05:12.11 | robbyoconnor | is *NOT* trying to attack you |
| 05:12.16 | Catfish_Man | robbyoconnor: post your address and phone # on 4chan then |
| 05:12.24 | robbyoconnor | I did that once |
| 05:12.34 | robbyoconnor | protip: dont post your cell # on IRC |
| 05:12.46 | Catfish_Man | huh. 10 points for style, 10 points for ballsiness, â100 points for sense |
| 05:12.53 | robbyoconnor | I had a 'tard constantly call me forced me to change my # |
| 05:12.53 | LawG | robbyoconnor, you posted your address and # on 4chan?? Really? |
| 05:12.59 | robbyoconnor | no |
| 05:13.00 | robbyoconnor | IRC |
| 05:13.01 | robbyoconnor | LOL |
| 05:13.03 | zzz__ | robbyoconnor: That's the age old privacy related question. I am sure you can read more about it. EFF might have a few readings on that. |
| 05:13.21 | robbyoconnor | im not dumb enough to post my address on 4chan LOL |
| 05:13.37 | Catfish_Man | so you *do* have something to hide |
| 05:13.42 | Catfish_Man | or at least someone(s) to hide from ;) |
| 05:13.46 | robbyoconnor | yeh |
| 05:14.14 | robbyoconnor | the potential psycho stalker/serial killer hiding among the 335 members of this channel |
| 05:14.31 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 05:14.35 | LawG | I count 337 ;] |
| 05:14.35 | Catfish_Man | hey, that happened once |
| 05:14.40 | Catfish_Man | (stalker, not serial killer) |
| 05:14.44 | robbyoconnor | LawG: exlcuding the bots |
| 05:14.52 | robbyoconnor | durinbot and socinfo |
| 05:14.54 | robbyoconnor | :P |
| 05:14.55 | Catfish_Man | durinbot is totally a stalker |
| 05:15.00 | robbyoconnor | I know! |
| 05:15.09 | LawG | They just want you to think they are bots |
| 05:15.11 | robbyoconnor | but me and durinbot did stuff together |
| 05:15.11 | ojwb | some of them are the same person though |
| 05:15.28 | robbyoconnor | we took long walks on the beach |
| 05:15.47 | robbyoconnor | (This isn't creepy is it?) |
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| 05:18.06 | ojwb | no more than usual |
| 05:18.23 | robbyoconnor | you calling me creepy? |
| 05:19.00 | zzz__ | I am sorry if this information already exists on the web; please point me to it if it does. Could someone let me know what information Google requires aside from proof of being a student, an address and date of birth? |
| 05:20.52 | ojwb | name and t-shirt size |
| 05:21.00 | ojwb | not sure what else |
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| 05:21.24 | ojwb | if you're accepted, they'll want a tax form |
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| 05:22.07 | robbyoconnor | zzz__: all this info will be fed into a massive super computer |
| 05:22.59 | zzz__ | ojwb: I really appreciate your answers. Thank you. |
| 05:23.13 | zzz__ | robbyoconnor: I know you are joking, but I can assure you that it is not funny for me. |
| 05:23.25 | robbyoconnor | It is funny for me :D |
| 05:23.41 | robbyoconnor | paranoid people are fun to screw e/ :) |
| 05:23.48 | robbyoconnor | you can hate me I dont care :) |
| 05:23.52 | Catfish_Man | sighs |
| 05:23.54 | summatusmentis | hey now, be nice |
| 05:23.57 | ojwb | play nice robbie |
| 05:23.59 | Catfish_Man | robbyoconnor: be nice or I'll mute you |
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| 05:24.08 | robbyoconnor | :((( |
| 05:24.12 | robbyoconnor | you're no fun!!! |
| 05:24.31 | Catfish_Man | yeah but I'm not amused *and* I have ops :) |
| 05:24.56 | Catfish_Man | which implies a certain responsibility to keep this channel civil and informative |
| 05:25.08 | Catfish_Man | so please, don't make that harder than it should be |
| 05:25.23 | robbyoconnor | okay okay, put down the gun... i'll behave! |
| 05:25.47 | robbyoconnor | zzz__: i'm sorry for messing with you |
| 05:25.58 | Catfish_Man | zzz__: at some point when carols is around, she'd be the person to ask |
| 05:26.01 | robbyoconnor | playing on somebody's paranoia is not nice at all :) |
| 05:26.03 | Catfish_Man | since she's in charge now |
| 05:26.11 | robbyoconnor | lh decided to jump ship |
| 05:26.21 | zzz__ | robbyoconnor: It's okay. |
| 05:26.23 | ojwb | robbyoconnor: you drove her away! |
| 05:26.37 | robbyoconnor | I was about to say that |
| 05:26.40 | robbyoconnor | 3 years of me |
| 05:26.41 | robbyoconnor | LOL |
| 05:27.57 | zzz__ | Catfish_Man: I see. Thank you for letting me know. I guess it is a bit unfortunate for me that tomorrow is a holiday because I think I will have to wait until Monday. |
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| 05:28.13 | Catfish_Man | zzz__: you could also email one of the lists, or the ospo |
| 05:28.20 | ojwb | zzz__: from what I've seen (though I've not been a student in gsoc, only mentor and admin), there's a reason for everything they want to know |
| 05:28.29 | robbyoconnor | let me get her email for you |
| 05:28.30 | robbyoconnor | zzz__ |
| 05:29.19 | ojwb | one connected with running gsoc, rather than data mining |
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| 05:30.03 | robbyoconnor | im not gonna give him a data mining email |
| 05:30.48 | robbyoconnor | carols AT google DOT com |
| 05:31.06 | fLiDe | hello people, is there any irc channel for PaGMO? I am not able to find it on there website... |
| 05:31.19 | robbyoconnor | sighs |
| 05:31.25 | robbyoconnor | zzz__: that was for you :) |
| 05:31.32 | zzz__ | ojwb: Maybe my worries are a bit unfounded. I guess their need for some information makes sense since this is a job. |
| 05:31.39 | ojwb | fLiDe: if their website doesn't know, it's unlikely anyone here will |
| 05:31.41 | zzz__ | robbyoconnor: Thanks for the address. |
| 05:31.50 | robbyoconnor | it's Carol Smith |
| 05:31.54 | Catfish_Man | fLiDe: I haven't heard of PaGMO before, so I'll be no help |
| 05:32.11 | robbyoconnor | our new benevolent leader |
| 05:32.26 | robbyoconnor | I wonder if she'll be the geek herder lh was |
| 05:32.28 | ojwb | fLiDe: some orgs just don't use irc |
| 05:32.39 | robbyoconnor | fLiDe: use their mailing list |
| 05:32.43 | fLiDe | if you haven't heard about PaGMO you might have heard about ACT or ESA |
| 05:33.02 | Catfish_Man | robbyoconnor: it would be astonishing (and nice) if there are two people who are :) |
| 05:33.26 | robbyoconnor | what?! |
| 05:33.30 | fLiDe | what is a difference between regular emails and mailing lists? |
| 05:33.42 | robbyoconnor | fLiDe: goes to a group of people vs one person. |
| 05:33.46 | robbyoconnor | you should know this. |
| 05:33.54 | Catfish_Man | fLiDe: http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=define:+mailing+list&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 05:34.21 | robbyoconnor | fLiDe: if you're programming -- you *REALLY* should know this (not trying to be confrontational or anything) |
| 05:34.36 | robbyoconnor | esp. Open Source development where A LOT of communication happens over mailing lists |
| 05:34.56 | robbyoconnor | planning and what not |
| 05:35.19 | fLiDe | that is something I understand, I meant to ask how is it more helpful then a forum, it would be like spamming your mail box if the topic is something you are not interested in... |
| 05:35.39 | Catfish_Man | fLiDe: well, many organizations don't have a forum |
| 05:35.46 | Catfish_Man | if they do, that would also be a valid place to inquire |
| 05:35.54 | robbyoconnor | fLiDe: welcome to the gsoc students and discussion list! |
| 05:36.07 | fLiDe | ??? |
| 05:36.09 | robbyoconnor | if you get accepted, i suggest you go daily digest or web only |
| 05:36.09 | robbyoconnor | :P |
| 05:36.22 | robbyoconnor | you'll see why if accepted. |
| 05:38.01 | ojwb | fLiDe: it's more helpful than a forum because you get messages sent to you rather than having to go and check a web interface to see if there are new ones... |
| 05:38.16 | ojwb | and you can read them offline later, etc |
| 05:39.14 | fLiDe | ok, maybe its better... anyways will have to try it ... |
| 05:40.08 | fLiDe | in this open source world how many more things you gotta learn before you can actually start coding? |
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| 05:41.40 | robbyoconnor | fLiDe: learn the language and the tools necessary |
| 05:41.41 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 05:41.53 | robbyoconnor | oh and be familiar with the codebase as well -- obvious one |
| 05:41.58 | Catfish_Man | fLiDe: 's much like any other large software project. |
| 05:42.05 | Catfish_Man | just a bit more widely distributed |
| 05:43.29 | robbyoconnor | and the code is there fo rthre world to see and learn from |
| 05:45.28 | fLiDe | I wanted to code for some open source software, but I found most are meant for linux only, so I ported to linux, then I found you gotta learn shell a little in order to be able to use it, so I learned scripting, then many a times things don't work out of the box for linux so I got informed how to ask for help in the commuity and get things done , then I learned a little about the git... and it is still not the end.... I guess i was ment to learn the languages, w |
| 05:45.28 | fLiDe | hich I started with, in the very end...sheesh |
| 05:45.57 | robbyoconnor | fLiDe: not true |
| 05:46.02 | robbyoconnor | a good chunk are linux yes |
| 05:46.04 | Ademan | I may have missed this in the FAQ but is there a centralized place that shows accepted student proposals from past years? or anyone willing to share a proposal they're working on and proud of? |
| 05:46.09 | Dark_Shikari | linux only? what? |
| 05:46.15 | Dark_Shikari | I only code on windows |
| 05:46.30 | Dark_Shikari | ... of course, I use bash, grep, vim |
| 05:46.38 | robbyoconnor | Ademan: Programs --> GSoC 2009 |
| 05:46.43 | robbyoconnor | in melange |
| 05:46.44 | Dark_Shikari | you're not learning "linux", you're learning "computers" =p |
| 05:47.04 | robbyoconnor | Dark_Shikari: cygwin doesn't count. |
| 05:47.21 | summatusmentis | you can run gvim "natively" |
| 05:47.28 | Dark_Shikari | robbyoconnor: why not? |
| 05:47.30 | Ademan | robbyoconnor: thanks much, I can't believe I missed that |
| 05:47.33 | fLiDe | I am not complaning, it has been fun to learn linux, I mean computers, but there is still so much to learn... |
| 05:47.35 | Dark_Shikari | I call it GNU/windows |
| 05:47.51 | robbyoconnor | Dark_Shikari: i just threw up a little in my mouth |
| 05:47.55 | summatusmentis | Dark_Shikari: how did you get bash working? |
| 05:48.00 | Dark_Shikari | summatusmentis: works by default in cygwin. |
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| 05:48.08 | Dark_Shikari | robbyoconnor: it's the best of both worlds |
| 05:48.14 | Dark_Shikari | all the programs native to windows that you get annoyed with not having on linux |
| 05:48.16 | summatusmentis | I was codin in windows all summer, and was using stupid cmd.exe |
| 05:48.19 | Dark_Shikari | and the linux toolkit that makes everything awesome |
| 05:48.19 | robbyoconnor | Stallman... |
| 05:48.32 | Dark_Shikari | I mean, it's not like anyone uses linux for the GUI ;) |
| 05:48.39 | robbyoconnor | I was coding in windows too... |
| 05:48.43 | Dark_Shikari | robbyoconnor: yes, annoying stallman is a good thing. |
| 05:48.57 | summatusmentis | I almost prefer Ubuntu's gnome to the windows gui |
| 05:49.11 | summatusmentis | but I guess the last windows I really used was XP |
| 05:49.11 | Dark_Shikari | well, true, the windows gui has gone downhill for about 10 years |
| 05:49.15 | robbyoconnor | Ubuntu: synonym for broken |
| 05:49.16 | Dark_Shikari | still uses Windows 98 mode |
| 05:49.35 | summatusmentis | robbyoconnor: how so? |
| 05:49.41 | fLiDe | win 98, are you kidding me?? |
| 05:49.52 | robbyoconnor | summatusmentis: how *NOT* |
| 05:49.54 | klic | would anyone recommend bug tracker to be the place to look for ideas? |
| 05:49.58 | Dark_Shikari | fLiDe: I use windows 7 |
| 05:50.01 | Dark_Shikari | I just use the windows 98 UI |
| 05:50.08 | Dark_Shikari | because it isn't as insanely ugly |
| 05:50.11 | fLiDe | k |
| 05:50.20 | Dark_Shikari | it also doesn't eat 150mb of ram |
| 05:50.31 | summatusmentis | robbyoconnor: it's definitely different than the way most distros do it, but I haven't run into anything that's borken |
| 05:50.38 | robbyoconnor | I haven |
| 05:50.41 | robbyoconnor | Have* |
| 05:50.47 | Dark_Shikari | every distro is broken |
| 05:50.49 | robbyoconnor | "updating" it completely busted my install |
| 05:50.51 | Dark_Shikari | in its own ways. |
| 05:51.01 | robbyoconnor | *HOW* i don't know. |
| 05:51.07 | robbyoconnor | but they sure do know how to break things. |
| 05:51.23 | fLiDe | never happened wiyh me.. |
| 05:51.25 | summatusmentis | I've had that happen on debian testing though, and certainly on gentoo |
| 05:51.34 | summatusmentis | now, gentoo was probably my fualt |
| 05:51.37 | robbyoconnor | this was from stable to stable |
| 05:51.42 | Dark_Shikari | gentoo ftw |
| 05:51.50 | Dark_Shikari | -finline-all-functions! |
| 05:52.23 | robbyoconnor | anyways -- have a good night |
| 05:52.51 | summatusmentis | I used to run gentoo on a single core AMD 2800+, and it would take so long to update anything, that I would inline a mail command so that it would send my phone and email/text when it was done |
| 05:53.00 | summatusmentis | an* |
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| 08:53.09 | smtms | cpsec, what do you have at line 10? |
| 08:54.03 | cpsec | normal text , the same as others... the top of the page says"There are errors on this form, please scroll down to see them. Your changes have not been saved. " |
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| 08:59.43 | cpsec | no, now the error is "malformed start tag, at line 1, column 3398", but my first line is only "name:"... |
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| 09:19.13 | Ademan | anyone know what format proposals are acceptable in? Right now I'm using ReST so I can create PDF if need be, but I'd honestly like to keep it as a separately hosted html document |
| 09:19.47 | okc | hi i want to join in google summer of code-2010 pls tell me how to join |
| 09:20.00 | smtms | okc, did you look at the website? |
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| 09:20.29 | okc | yes but there is no registration form there |
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| 09:22.23 | dhaun | Ademan: depends on the org, as usual :) But I think your entire proposal should also be posted in the webapp. Links to external more readable versions should be fine |
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| 09:23.13 | dhaun | okc: how hard is it to find the "sign in" link in the upper right corner? |
| 09:24.00 | Ademan | dhaun: thanks |
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| 09:24.20 | okc | ok tell me website i will directly enter into that |
| 09:24.33 | dhaun | !site |
| 09:24.34 | socinfo | "site" is http://socghop.appspot.com/ |
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| 09:37.26 | Ademan | eugh, that's alot of legal-ese google |
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| 09:43.31 | smtms | having student proposals submitted in PDF format would have been much better |
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| 09:44.08 | slimb00 | can we submit PDF too? |
| 09:44.26 | ajuonline | no. but u can link to it, |
| 09:45.03 | slimb00 | ok |
| 09:45.06 | ajuonline | but the contents should be on the web app , the linking should only be used as a supplementary reading |
| 09:45.32 | ajuonline | like dhaun said, Links to external more readable versions should be fine |
| 09:49.40 | Ademan | I understand the rationale, and there are benefits, but having the PSF as an extra layer makes getting approved as a student harder... |
| 09:50.05 | smtms | it makes it possible too ;-) |
| 09:50.29 | bawr | smtms: Why do you think that? I can't say that I share your view... HTML is simple. Markdown is even simpler, just turn TinyMCE off. :) |
| 09:50.57 | avinash | hi someone pls tel if i have to submit my own idea then i have to describe all or just idea |
| 09:51.20 | smtms | bawr, using your favourite WYSIWYG text editor is even simpler |
| 09:51.20 | bawr | The more detailed it is, the better your chances are usually. |
| 09:51.31 | ajuonline | notepad++++ |
| 09:51.39 | bawr | smtms: Not really. Well, not for me. :) |
| 09:52.14 | Ademan | doesn't have a favorite WYSIWYG anything... |
| 09:52.23 | Ademan | I like everything I do to be painful |
| 09:52.49 | bawr | Also, what Ademan said. Also also, open, compact formats and all that. |
| 09:52.57 | smtms | you can remove "WYSIWYG" from my statement above if you wish |
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| 09:53.19 | smtms | bawr, Microsoft's XML-based PDF killer is open, right? |
| 09:53.30 | bawr | smtms: "compact" |
| 09:53.55 | smtms | bawr, HTML is compact, but XML isn't? |
| 09:54.02 | Ademan | microsoft'sxml-basedpdfkiller.gz ? |
| 09:54.26 | bawr | Well, I wrote my propsal with my vafourite text editor, allright. Then I just converted it from Markdown to HTML. :) |
| 09:54.44 | bawr | smtms: Have you ever seen a real-world XML document? ;) |
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| 09:54.55 | bawr | In short, yes. |
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| 09:55.10 | Ademan | bawr: is there a standalone tool to do that? or rather, what markdown? |
| 09:55.35 | bawr | Ademan: Markdown.pl, as downloaded from its site. |
| 09:56.38 | bawr | I recommend that approach to everyone, it's really convenient. Well, for people like me, anyway. ;) |
| 09:56.45 | Ademan | bawr: I'll have to check that out, I'm not exactly in love with reStructuredText |
| 09:56.57 | bawr | I hear ya. |
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| 09:59.25 | nopper | yes markdown is the answer. I've used python-markdown and written my proposal directly as python """strings""" with vim :) |
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| 10:01.02 | smtms | nopper, is their any special formatting you use? |
| 10:01.58 | nopper | well nope, I've tried to highlight snippets of code through the use of codehilite coming with the official markdown module but it's pretty useless since socghoapp seems to strip all the stuff |
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| 10:02.12 | nopper | only standard heading, paragraph and styles are supported. |
| 10:02.56 | bawr | nopper: You have code snippets in your proposal? |
| 10:03.03 | nopper | yes sure |
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| 10:03.12 | nopper | kind of pseudo code |
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| 10:04.10 | bawr | Ahh. Makes sense, then. I thought you were doing past-work examples or something, which would have been an overkill imho, or at least provided as a link. :) |
| 10:04.26 | bawr | *better provided |
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| 10:06.32 | pygi | :P |
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| 11:00.56 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 11:01.22 | Dark_Shikari | http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5841.txt |
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| 11:55.10 | arpit22x | hi |
| 11:55.16 | arpit22x | anyone thr? |
| 11:55.19 | shreyas | !timeline |
| 11:55.19 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 11:57.58 | arvind_khadri | arpit22x, ask what you want to |
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| 11:58.35 | arvind_khadri | !lh |
| 11:58.35 | socinfo | "lh" is Leslie Hawthorn, Geek Herder extraordinaire for GSoC 2005 till GSoC 2010, carols has taken over as Program Manager |
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| 12:01.53 | pygi | ChipX86, me again :) |
| 12:02.01 | arpit22x | i wanna know how to participate in GSOC |
| 12:02.25 | smtms | arpit22x, have you read what's on the website? |
| 12:02.37 | pygi | !faq |
| 12:02.37 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 12:02.40 | pygi | read that |
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| 12:02.46 | pygi | we're not responding before you read it |
| 12:02.48 | pygi | :P |
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| 12:03.05 | arpit22x | it is given thr to find a mentor? |
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| 12:06.17 | pygi | arpit22x, read the faq pls. And I have no idea what "thr" means |
| 12:07.18 | arpit22x | sorry to use short words, thr ---> there |
| 12:07.56 | pygi | arpit22x, first you read the faq, then I'll answer whatever |
| 12:08.12 | rajat | arpit why not try by yourself first? |
| 12:08.16 | arpit22x | ok thanx |
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| 13:54.07 | shikhark | if i submit my application early, and then get some feedback on it, can i resubmit my application? |
| 13:54.29 | sfb | shikhark: You can continue to update it until after the April 9th deadline. |
| 13:54.39 | sfb | shikhark: After the April 9th deadline you can only comment on it. |
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| 14:05.35 | vishal_iitk | what is the maximum allowed length of the proposal in words? |
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| 14:07.31 | shikhark | if i wish to submit proposals for two different projects under the same organization, do i need to put in two separate applications? |
| 14:08.18 | pygi | shikhark, yes |
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| 14:08.55 | shikhark | pygi, what about the parts that ask for biographical information, surely i can use the same? |
| 14:09.05 | pygi | shikhark, yes |
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| 14:10.40 | ojwb | shikhark: I would recommend talking to the org first - might save you some effort |
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| 14:12.57 | shikhark | ojwb, thanks |
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| 14:14.44 | vishal_iitk | what is the maximum allowed length of the proposal in words? |
| 14:15.16 | ojwb | vishal_iitk: we didn't know 9 minutes ago... |
| 14:15.33 | ojwb | vishal_iitk: don't just reask so frequently |
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| 14:42.10 | bawr | Just because it's cool. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3keLeMwfHY |
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| 15:01.12 | fLiDe | !next |
| 15:01.12 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 15:32.28 | downeym | just enjoyed reading http://drupal.org/node/756878 "HOWTO: Write a Summer of Code proposal" from Drupal |
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| 15:38.25 | sanjoyd | !timeline |
| 15:38.25 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 15:43.23 | bawr | downeym: Looks pretty cool. Out of curiosity, who are you applying to? osuosl? |
| 15:43.41 | downeym | is an org admin :) |
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| 17:46.21 | mlankhorst | Amazing, I call a package to update itself, it downloads the new version, and when I then ask it to update again it thinks the older version is newer.. |
| 17:46.56 | sfb | Sounds like maven. (; |
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| 18:09.36 | carols | good luck darkip :-) |
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| 18:10.43 | carols | good morning Catfish_Man, happy friday |
| 18:10.49 | Catfish_Man | hi carols |
| 18:11.08 | Catfish_Man | not so happy so far, really. Housemate woke me up at 7, my badge fell off my belt loop, and I'm out of change for the vending machine |
| 18:11.19 | Catfish_Man | but hopefully it'll perk up; planning to go to Il Cantuccio for dinner :) |
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| 18:11.29 | carols | aw, man. that's kinda sucky |
| 18:11.35 | carols | Cantuccio sounds excellent :-) |
| 18:11.37 | Poopy | Hey guys. The GSOC FAQ doesn't seem to mention anything about how much time we have to invest in it. I have a full time job can I still do it? |
| 18:11.47 | Catfish_Man | Poopy: no |
| 18:11.51 | Catfish_Man | it is a full time job, generally |
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| 18:12.31 | Catfish_Man | so yeah, tgif. How's life for you carols? |
| 18:12.33 | Achilles | hi everyone |
| 18:12.38 | Catfish_Man | hi Achilles |
| 18:12.41 | ihalip | evening |
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| 18:12.54 | kblin | evening folks |
| 18:13.07 | Achilles | i have my semester end exams in june, could i still do GSoC? |
| 18:13.08 | carols | Catfish_Man: it's good. getting into the groove of GSoC :-) |
| 18:13.10 | sfb | hi kblin |
| 18:13.19 | dhaun | Poopy: btw, that question *is* addressed in the FAQ |
| 18:13.26 | ihalip | Achilles: of course |
| 18:13.42 | Poopy | Thanks, Catfish_Man. I think I'm a little blind |
| 18:14.09 | Achilles | ok, because i can spend around 10-12 hours every week |
| 18:14.14 | ihalip | pretty much everyone will agree to give you enough time to focus on your exams |
| 18:14.22 | smtms | Achilles, 10-12 sounds like too little to me |
| 18:14.33 | Catfish_Man | Achilles: typically the expectation is 40ish |
| 18:14.38 | ajuonline | Poopy: around 40 hours a week. did you not find something like that in the FAQ? |
| 18:14.45 | Achilles | during the exam time, that's what i can do |
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| 18:16.01 | Achilles | in may i can spend that much time...and much more |
| 18:16.24 | Achilles | but in june 20 hrs is max...will that be a problem |
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| 18:16.47 | kblin | talk to your mentors |
| 18:16.52 | Achilles | ok |
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| 18:17.03 | kblin | most things can be arranged and planned around |
| 18:17.49 | Achilles | i read about it somewhere that for ppl who have exams around this time, they start early |
| 18:17.52 | pygi | kblin, except you kicking me out |
| 18:17.53 | pygi | :D |
| 18:18.22 | kblin | pygi: hm? me kicking you out? have I ever done that? |
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| 18:18.31 | pygi | nopper, but you threatened me once? :P |
| 18:18.47 | pygi | kblin, nope, but... see above :p |
| 18:18.51 | nopper | ? |
| 18:19.01 | pygi | nopper, sorry, that wasnt directed at you :D |
| 18:19.08 | nopper | ah ok :) |
| 18:19.35 | kblin | pygi: I didn't. I kindly offered that I could |
| 18:20.03 | pygi | kblin, in the end, I passed all but one paper with flying colors :D |
| 18:21.53 | carols | me grumbles to herself and goes to restart her computer |
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| 18:25.11 | mlankhorst | carols: missed a slash there |
| 18:25.22 | carols | sorry, what was that mlankhorst? |
| 18:25.29 | carols | had to go fuss her computer |
| 18:25.37 | mlankhorst | there ya go :) |
| 18:26.06 | mlankhorst | you forgot the / in /me before you rebooted |
| 18:26.13 | carols | ah, i see |
| 18:26.18 | carols | thanks for that then :-) |
| 18:26.49 | mlankhorst | I'm that bored, I ran out of reasons not to learn for that test on tuesday ;) |
| 18:27.11 | kblin | hm, I wonder if we can fix that for you |
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| 18:27.28 | kblin | I wonder if that applies for ops |
| 18:27.31 | mlankhorst | nope |
| 18:27.37 | kblin | ah, I guessed so |
| 18:27.46 | kblin | you're the channel owner anyway, right? |
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| 18:27.57 | yevlempy | do we require to send our GSOC application to mailing list of organization we have applied for? |
| 18:28.09 | kblin | yevlempy: depends on the org |
| 18:28.23 | mlankhorst | Yeah, I've made the channel then gave it to lh back in 2008 |
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| 18:35.43 | thiago | yevlempy: contacting the org and interacting with the mentors is a good idea |
| 18:36.25 | yevlempy | kblin, thiago ok , thanks :) |
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| 19:43.49 | Wyk3d | hi .. what does the number of slots an organization gets depend on ? |
| 19:44.03 | dhaun | !slots |
| 19:44.03 | socinfo | "slots" is Slots are allocated after student proposals are all submitted. The final count of slots are unknown until the accepted students are announced. Please see http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations for further information on how slots are allocated. |
| 19:44.25 | Wyk3d | thanks |
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| 19:55.14 | Gaurav_ | HI. |
| 19:58.16 | ebo | stupid question... isn't Melange the issue tracker? Somone wanted me to post my draft proposal on Melange... |
| 19:58.36 | micahcowan | Melange is the web app. socghop.appspot.com. |
| 19:58.38 | Ori_B | ebo: melange is the entire GSOC webapp |
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| 19:59.15 | ebo | Also, is the address on the application http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 the place I am living or my school. They are curretly 1800 miles apart. |
| 19:59.50 | ankitg | ebo: it's the place where you want stuff to be mailed to if you get selected ... |
| 20:00.16 | ebo | ok. |
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| 20:18.00 | kblin | +qs the bomb |
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| 20:31.37 | ebo | not entirely OT, but someone needed to put a small USB image up of some of the base framework for a GSoC application. Is there a placy you can recomend like pastebin which can load small binaries/iso images? |
| 20:31.54 | ebo | s/plany/place/ |
| 20:32.14 | ebo | uggg... I need to take a break... |
| 20:33.36 | bawr | filebin? |
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| 20:42.42 | magsol | is school over yet? *sigh* |
| 20:45.23 | magsol | !next |
| 20:45.23 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 21:01.18 | shreyas | how will students/mentors be paired up |
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| 21:01.32 | shreyas | is it by google?? |
| 21:01.37 | dho | It's by the org admin |
| 21:01.40 | dho | (s) |
| 21:01.51 | maroxe | hi all |
| 21:01.53 | dho | A student may request a specific person to mentor that project |
| 21:01.56 | maroxe | i am new here |
| 21:02.02 | dho | But it is up to the org |
| 21:02.05 | dho | Hi maroxe |
| 21:02.20 | maroxe | i am not yet 18 but i plan to join this event next year |
| 21:02.29 | maroxe | i read the FAQ |
| 21:02.38 | maroxe | but i still have some questions |
| 21:02.56 | maroxe | cause i am not a native speaker |
| 21:03.18 | dhaun | !ask |
| 21:03.18 | socinfo | "ask" is Don't ask to ask, just ask. Meta-questions lead to meta-answers and wasted time. |
| 21:03.23 | maroxe | can i participate to gsoc with my own project |
| 21:03.37 | maroxe | socinfo: ok ok :) |
| 21:03.37 | socinfo | Error: "ok" is not a valid command. |
| 21:03.49 | maroxe | socinfo: you're a bot? |
| 21:03.49 | socinfo | Error: "you're" is not a valid command. |
| 21:03.52 | maroxe | ok |
| 21:04.06 | dhaun | maroxe: you could apply as a mentoring organization - or under some org's umbrella |
| 21:04.08 | sreich | hence the "<dhaun> !ask" |
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| 21:04.21 | maroxe | mentoring = personal project ? |
| 21:04.35 | kpreid | maroxe: you can submit your proposal with âgoogle open source programs officeâ as the selected organization. in that case you have to designate a mentor (someone else) though. |
| 21:04.35 | Wolf_OSGeo | maroxe: you cannot however be both a mentor and a student |
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| 21:05.09 | kpreid | maroxe: but you should also see if any of the regular organizations would be interested in your project. |
| 21:05.14 | dhaun | maroxe: ah, maybe I misunderstood you there - you want to work on your project yourself? |
| 21:05.22 | maroxe | dhaun: exactly |
| 21:05.32 | dhaun | that's not really the idea of the program |
| 21:05.55 | maroxe | so i have to choose a project to join, right? |
| 21:06.18 | dhaun | yep, or join as a mentoring org and let someone else work on it |
| 21:06.18 | maroxe | i guess there is a list of project to join somewhere hosted by google |
| 21:06.20 | kpreid | maroxe: Yes. The main idea of GSoC is that students contribute to existing open source projects. |
| 21:06.33 | Catfish_Man | maroxe: you should probably read the FAQ |
| 21:06.43 | Catfish_Man | and generally look around the website |
| 21:06.57 | maroxe | dhaun: to be mentoringm, i must have mature project |
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| 21:07.27 | maroxe | i think i'd better look for an existing project to join |
| 21:07.43 | Catfish_Man | also mentoring organization signup has been over for a while |
| 21:07.43 | dhaun | yeah, but in some cases you could go under the umbrella of another org |
| 21:07.45 | maroxe | i hope next year gosc will still exist |
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| 21:08.45 | maroxe | and how can they guaranti that students won't abandon the project after receiving the first payment? |
| 21:08.59 | dhaun | you can't |
| 21:08.59 | dho | They don't, and it happens every year |
| 21:09.19 | maroxe | oh |
| 21:09.24 | maroxe | that's sad |
| 21:09.27 | micahcowan | There are often signs to look for... such as the student not really getting the work done. |
| 21:09.46 | maroxe | well |
| 21:09.53 | micahcowan | Sometimes the mentors get "optimistic" and pass them in the hope that they'll do more. That's what helps it happen every year :) |
| 21:10.01 | maroxe | thank you all for this precious information |
| 21:10.15 | micahcowan | (I'm not aware of a single case where a student worked hard to get things done in the first term, and then bailed right after.) |
| 21:10.18 | maroxe | i hope i'll see you here next year |
| 21:10.20 | dhaun | the program has a 85% success rate, so it's not that bad |
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| 21:10.27 | dho | micahcowan: I am |
| 21:10.40 | maroxe | oh |
| 21:10.42 | micahcowan | a for-the-paycheck sort of bail? |
| 21:10.48 | dho | Ah |
| 21:10.50 | dho | No. |
| 21:10.56 | micahcowan | Sorry, I should've qualified. |
| 21:11.06 | Catfish_Man | yeah, I've seen it happen when (for example) the student's family has problems and they need to bail |
| 21:11.08 | Catfish_Man | but that's different |
| 21:11.13 | dho | Right. |
| 21:11.14 | maroxe | do i have to talk to mentoring organization or directly to google? |
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| 21:11.20 | dho | You deal with the org |
| 21:11.20 | micahcowan | Generally to the orgs. |
| 21:11.26 | Catfish_Man | maroxe: technically neither (you use the webapp) |
| 21:11.34 | Catfish_Man | but if you don't talk to people, your chances of success are obviously lower |
| 21:11.34 | micahcowan | As early and continually as possible, in fact. |
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| 21:12.35 | maroxe | those "people", where can i talk to them? |
| 21:12.35 | maroxe | here? |
| 21:12.35 | micahcowan | Well, the best conversation tends to happen on the org-specific channels/fora |
| 21:12.35 | dhaun | the orgs have contacts listed on their ideas page |
| 21:12.38 | dho | Some of them. You should read the FAQ, look at the org list, and read the project pages for orgs you're interested in |
| 21:12.48 | micahcowan | You can see the list of orgs from the web app; they all have different means for reaching them. |
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| 21:12.54 | Catfish_Man | also googling the name of the project is often helpful :P |
| 21:13.05 | maroxe | ok it's clearer now |
| 21:13.25 | maroxe | students must have strong programming skills? |
| 21:13.35 | micahcowan | maroxe, it can help, but no. |
| 21:13.38 | maroxe | i mean, to have a chance to be accepted |
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| 21:14.04 | maroxe | micahcowan: cause i have experience in small project |
| 21:14.12 | micahcowan | Many join with just basic skills. And many orgs are fine with students that are hard workers but not yet very skilled, so they can help them grow. |
| 21:14.15 | maroxe | mario-like, pong, tetris ... |
| 21:14.39 | maroxe | micahcowan: that's relaxing |
| 21:14.49 | maroxe | i must leave |
| 21:14.56 | Catfish_Man | maroxe: while programming skills are extremely useful, stronger qualifiers include enthusiasm, ability to work independently, ability to deal with being overwhelmed by complexity, and ability to learn quickly |
| 21:15.16 | maroxe | good bye all, the ambiance is very pleasant here |
| 21:15.18 | maroxe | ++ |
| 21:15.19 | Catfish_Man | bye |
| 21:15.23 | micahcowan | bye maroxe |
| 21:15.57 | r0bby|android | He hasn't met me LOL |
| 21:17.12 | ankitg | r0bby|android: you'll get him next time ... |
| 21:17.44 | r0bby|android | I think I'm gonna go be social |
| 21:17.52 | r0bby|android | In public |
| 21:18.20 | kblin | good |
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| 21:19.04 | ankitg | wow, so lh really got to you ... |
| 21:19.47 | kblin | or that google ninja team |
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| 21:20.40 | micahcowan | ( ¬ ¬ ) n|||| |
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| 22:03.08 | fatos | is anyone alive !? |
| 22:03.22 | Catfish_Man | my back hurts, so it seems likely that I'm alive |
| 22:04.15 | fatos | some people are dead and their back still hurts, so thats a weak proposition you made there |
| 22:04.24 | Catfish_Man | hm |
| 22:04.29 | Catfish_Man | well that sucks. |
| 22:04.40 | Catfish_Man | if I'm going to be dead it should at least get rid of physical discomfort |
| 22:05.08 | shreyas | whats the deal with multiple submissions |
| 22:05.16 | shreyas | can more than 1 get selected |
| 22:05.20 | thiago | no |
| 22:05.24 | Catfish_Man | thiago: well... |
| 22:05.29 | Catfish_Man | yes, but you/the orgs will have to pick one |
| 22:05.46 | thiago | well, yeah, but in the end you can only do 1 project |
| 22:05.51 | Catfish_Man | right |
| 22:05.53 | shreyas | how will orgs know i am applying/selected for more than 1 |
| 22:06.05 | coppro | they don't; Google handles that later |
| 22:06.08 | Catfish_Man | shreyas: during the duplicate resolution meeting on irc |
| 22:06.19 | thiago | shreyas: we don't know that you applied to more than 1 |
| 22:06.20 | Catfish_Man | which is pure chaos |
| 22:06.20 | micahcowan | "There can be only one" |
| 22:06.20 | fatos | im making a project about how to make dead people feel pain |
| 22:06.25 | micahcowan | Wow, that even makes me cringe. |
| 22:06.30 | thiago | but if two orgs select you, there will be a warning to mentors |
| 22:06.35 | micahcowan | * makes even me cringe |
| 22:06.48 | micahcowan | And a big detangling party. |
| 22:06.59 | shreyas | so its better choose 1 project u really like and giv it ur best shot |
| 22:07.06 | thiago | shreyas: no |
| 22:07.29 | micahcowan | Well, that's better than giving multiple projects crappy shots, but no, let the mentors work out which one gets you |
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| 22:08.02 | kblin | personally I'd suggest to select like 2 projects you really like :) |
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| 22:08.14 | thiago | they usually ask you which project you'd rather d |
| 22:08.16 | thiago | do |
| 22:08.18 | micahcowan | They're supposed to take your preferences into consideration (though there's no guarantee you'll get your favorite, especially if one has a greater need than the other) |
| 22:08.41 | kblin | micahcowan: we're supposed to? I thought it was completely optional :) |
| 22:09.00 | thiago | it is optional |
| 22:09.09 | Catfish_Man | the key is to be contactable during the duplicate resolution meeting |
| 22:09.09 | micahcowan | kblin, "supposed to" may be read "highly recommended" |
| 22:09.13 | Catfish_Man | most mentors will make the effort |
| 22:09.17 | Catfish_Man | but they only have a few minutes to try |
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| 22:09.57 | micahcowan | GNU's policy is to do so (this lead to great fun when one of our mentors kept insisting on pushing up the score of a proposal that we were trying to give to the other project... I had to remove the mentor) |
| 22:10.40 | thiago | doesn't Melange warn of conflicts with days in advance? |
| 22:10.40 | micahcowan | Yes, it does. |
| 22:10.42 | micahcowan | This was over multiple days. |
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| 22:16.49 | fatos | i recently registered as a user for GSOC what's the next step... how many projects can i apply to and how do i do that |
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| 22:17.20 | kblin | !faq |
| 22:17.20 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
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| 22:17.27 | kblin | fatos: ^^^ all answered there |
| 22:17.42 | fatos | thnx :) i'll have a look now.. |
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| 22:19.34 | JayJaymires | Anyone know how ~how many students will be accepted? |
| 22:19.43 | Catfish_Man | last year it was around 1k iirc |
| 22:20.21 | JayJaymires | Hmm I feel like all the projects are more advanced than my abilities |
| 22:21.03 | Catfish_Man | many of them are quite complex, it's true |
| 22:21.56 | JayJaymires | Yeah I'm still going to apply for what I can it's seems like a fantastic program just might have to realistically wait for a shot next summer |
| 22:22.41 | fatos | to me they seem pretty challenging too , but i like challenges so don't be afraid if you like something take it |
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| 22:22.54 | fatos | work 20 hours a day and ull do it :D |
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| 22:25.07 | fatos | is experience an important factor in student selection !? i've never had engaged myself in any open source project |
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| 22:25.13 | fatos | this is my first time !... |
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| 22:25.27 | Catfish_Man | fatos: there's a slight bias towards new students |
| 22:25.30 | coppro | You're best off talking with the project you want to apply to |
| 22:25.38 | Catfish_Man | which is countered out by the bias against students that are less likely to complete the work |
| 22:26.44 | fatos | how do you talk with the particular company about an idea before submission |
| 22:27.26 | Catfish_Man | fatos: well, how are you talking with me? |
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| 22:27.34 | Catfish_Man | (most of the projects are not companies, btw) |
| 22:27.45 | coppro | fatos: Most open-source projects have IRC channels, mailing lists, or fora in which you can discuss |
| 22:27.59 | fatos | ohhhh okey |
| 22:28.02 | coppro | For some projects, this is an absolute requirement of an application |
| 22:30.18 | fatos | i'm interested in neural networks, pattern recognition, face detection, these kinds of topics but im not sure if i should aim for challenging projects such as these |
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| 22:31.33 | kpreid | fatos: I suggest working on some minor irritations such a project has then :-) |
| 22:31.58 | kpreid | i.e. take a look at their idea lists & bug trackers for the stuff that isn't really that hard but nobody gets around to |
| 22:32.14 | kpreid | remember, you don't have to write the whole thing; you're making a contribution to an existing project. |
| 22:32.30 | fatos | yeah ur right, thnx for the advice :) |
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| 23:05.24 | anirvana | hi, Is it possible to view the student proposal abstracts of all the applicants? |
| 23:07.21 | coppro | you might prefer asking in #melange |
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| 23:42.05 | nico_le_terrible | Hi all |
| 23:42.10 | nico_le_terrible | I have some questions about form |
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| 23:43.01 | nico_le_terrible | I'm a french student |
| 23:43.11 | nico_le_terrible | we have not the same system than you |
| 23:43.31 | nico_le_terrible | what must I do with the "Education" part ? |
| 23:44.03 | MatthewWilkes | nico_le_terrible: Can you be more specific? |
| 23:44.08 | LawG | Put your University |
| 23:44.14 | nico_le_terrible | I'm not in University |
| 23:44.28 | nico_le_terrible | I'm in an engineering school |
| 23:44.44 | nico_le_terrible | In the first Year, which correspond to the 3rd year after my College |
| 23:45.13 | MatthewWilkes | "University" here is being used as a generic term for education after the compulsory period ends |
| 23:45.28 | nico_le_terrible | ok |
| 23:45.39 | MatthewWilkes | So, if you're over 18 and still in education that's what they're asking you about |
| 23:46.20 | MatthewWilkes | and "undergraduate" refers to the first type of education like that, "postgraduate" means a more advanced second course on top of that, usually after 3-4 years of "undergraduate" |
| 23:46.52 | nico_le_terrible | Ok undergraduate, so... |
| 23:47.27 | nico_le_terrible | Thank you :p |
| 23:47.37 | nico_le_terrible | it's very nive from you |
| 23:47.54 | nico_le_terrible | nice* |
| 23:47.58 | MatthewWilkes | no problem |
| 23:49.27 | Rawat | I too have a question |
| 23:49.53 | Rawat | what is the process for international students i.e. students who don't study in the US |
| 23:50.21 | Rawat | I had a quick check on the FAQ, but didn't see any mention of it |
| 23:50.28 | Catfish_Man | Rawat: roughly the same as any other student |
| 23:50.35 | Catfish_Man | a majority of GSOC students are not in the US |
| 23:50.52 | Rawat | are there "classes" per se? |
| 23:51.02 | Rawat | where is the course held? |
| 23:51.11 | Catfish_Man | GSOC is not a teaching program of any kind |
| 23:51.15 | Catfish_Man | it's more equivalent to a summer job |
| 23:51.23 | Catfish_Man | summer internship really |
| 23:51.36 | Catfish_Man | it takes place on the internet |
| 23:51.52 | Rawat | Ah, |
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| 23:52.19 | Rawat | makes a lot more sense in my mind now >_< |
| 23:52.27 | pygi | Catfish_Man, not a formal teaching program, but I guess you do learn stuff by taking part |
| 23:52.31 | bawr | Yeah, being forced to do an internship is why I found it in the first place. :) |
| 23:52.41 | Catfish_Man | pygi: I've learned vastly more at jobs than I did in school :) |
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| 23:52.54 | pygi | Catfish_Man, then we agree my friend |
| 23:52.57 | Catfish_Man | (dropping out freshman year might have had something to do with that, but hey :) ) |
| 23:53.44 | Rawat | thanks for the help Catfish_Man |
| 23:53.46 | Rawat | :) |
| 23:53.49 | Catfish_Man | no problem |
| 23:53.56 | fatos | im not getting it, im seeing all this list of open source projects but i cannot figure out how i can apply for any of those? # |
| 23:54.28 | pygi | Catfish_Man, how many years do I have to bug people around here to get an ops? :D |
| 23:54.57 | Catfish_Man | pygi: hell if I know. I got mine due to a fluke, and botnet attacks |
| 23:55.08 | Catfish_Man | fatos: the FAQ has a section on how to apply |
| 23:55.10 | r0bby|android | looks around |
| 23:55.23 | Rawat | fatos i got your email :) |
| 23:55.27 | r0bby|android | Catfish_Man: nobody reads |
| 23:55.33 | bawr | r0bby|android: Come on, let's have your rant. You know you want to. |
| 23:56.00 | r0bby|android | I cant...too tired |
| 23:56.12 | bawr | Disappointing. |
| 23:56.12 | Catfish_Man | mmm 15 minutes and I'm gone. Then: delicious delicious italian food |
| 23:56.29 | fatos | good for you Rawat , i feel that you're in the same position as i am |
| 23:57.11 | Rawat | did you do your IAI essay? |
| 23:57.37 | fatos | oh god ur from KCL |
| 23:57.47 | Rawat | or pep cw if you're doing management |
| 23:57.48 | fatos | oh you mean that EMAIL |
| 23:57.54 | fatos | oke oke nice to have you here man |
| 23:57.55 | Rawat | yes, that EMAIL >_> |
| 23:58.01 | fatos | yeah i finished |
| 23:58.02 | fatos | it |
| 23:58.10 | fatos | no im not doing management |
| 23:58.39 | Rawat | was a crap essay, i only did around 1k words |
| 23:58.40 | Rawat | ._. |
| 23:59.05 | Catfish_Man | fatos, Rawat: this seems to be a private conversation; maybe take it to /msg or IM or something? |
| 23:59.14 | Rawat | yeah, sorry |
| 23:59.30 | fatos | it was interesting actually but i didnt have time to do it |
| 23:59.30 | fatos | i just worked on it yesterday and today |
| 23:59.31 | fatos | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.56 | Rawat | well it's not extremely private, but don't want to clog up the channel |