| 00:00.38 | mkse | Hey I just wanted to point out that the link to the user guide on the 2010 faq points to the 2009 user guide instead of the 2010 user guide - perhaps this is already known |
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| 00:04.01 | ojwb | mkse: probably best to email carol |
| 00:07.27 | Cloudwolf | Ah just to bad that this requires being 18... another year of waiting for me |
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| 00:27.38 | robbyoconnor | ThomasWaldmann: I'll just BS my way :) |
| 00:28.01 | robbyoconnor | ThomasWaldmann: i need a book i can flip through to find info quickly |
| 00:28.02 | robbyoconnor | :) |
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| 00:59.55 | MatthewWilkes | Best day of the year for nerds. |
| 01:02.00 | robbyoconnor | April Fools lol |
| 01:02.06 | robbyoconnor | what;s the 2010 hoax |
| 01:02.43 | ojwb | that sco have lost, apparently |
| 01:04.22 | MatthewWilkes | No new RFCs yet |
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| 01:35.10 | nirbheek|netboo | Latest news is that MS is going to buy Nokia :p |
| 01:35.23 | nirbheek|netboo | http://www.mobileindustryreview.com/2010/04/microsofts-100-billion-nokia-acquisition-absolutely-unbelievable.html |
| 01:35.40 | micahcowan | No.... I hope that's not bad news for Maemo. |
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| 01:38.59 | ojwb | it's bad news for the average quality of april fool's day jokes this year... |
| 01:39.35 | micahcowan | Oh, did I just fall for an April Fool's prank? Great one. |
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| 01:41.48 | ojwb | well, the timestamp on the article suggests it |
| 01:42.24 | micahcowan | Yeah... |
| 01:43.06 | ojwb | just wishes people didn't feel compelled to post something unless they have something worthwhile |
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| 01:46.39 | ssbr | I liked the google translate one. It was cute. :) |
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| 01:47.12 | coppro | hmm? |
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| 01:50.32 | Lunixed | check this 1 |
| 01:50.35 | Lunixed | http://www.google.com.au/intl/en/gday/index.html |
| 01:50.55 | micahcowan | Yeah, posted here earlier |
| 01:51.06 | Lunixed | I see |
| 01:51.07 | Lunixed | :D |
| 01:51.15 | micahcowan | still good tho :) |
| 01:51.47 | coppro | nice :) |
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| 02:29.51 | xiainx | to people who uploaded apps already: did you guys have any trouble with the content uploader??? |
| 02:35.32 | scgtrp | xiainx: the editor is a pile of crap, other than that no |
| 02:36.12 | xiainx | >.< |
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| 02:36.21 | xiainx | wishes he could upload a PDF |
| 02:36.32 | xiainx | or better yet, some kind of google document... |
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| 02:37.33 | Dark_Shikari | if you need to upload more than text for your application you're probably doing it wrong |
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| 02:42.39 | Macarse | hi |
| 02:42.50 | Macarse | how many coding weeks are? |
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| 04:01.19 | scgtrp | Macarse: 12 iirc |
| 04:01.55 | fabiosl|away | !next |
| 04:01.55 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 04:26.11 | Sergio97 | #gsoc is really gettin packed now |
| 04:26.13 | Sergio97 | lol |
| 04:26.40 | kblin | bah, this isn't packed yet |
| 04:28.22 | robbyoconnor | just wait until they announce the results |
| 04:28.27 | robbyoconnor | last year we brought down the GAE |
| 04:28.36 | robbyoconnor | or brought it to its knees at least :) |
| 04:29.04 | robbyoconnor | whoever said cloud computing was the future obviously didn't anticipate 1,000+ student hammering the servers :) |
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| 04:50.06 | kblin | huh? |
| 04:50.30 | kblin | I thought melange would send notifications if there's new proposals |
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| 04:53.23 | CiswatiC | pls tell me how to add the proposal part of the project... I am not able to find the link on the SOC page... |
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| 04:59.01 | kblin | !faq |
| 04:59.01 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
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| 05:38.28 | roney | LOL |
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| 05:55.38 | iammisc | if i don't yet know what college i'm going to but i've been accepted to several, may i still participate in gsoc? |
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| 05:59.16 | micahcowan | iammisc, Have to be enrolled as of April 26th (see the faq) |
| 05:59.30 | iammisc | i will be by then |
| 05:59.38 | iammisc | meaning i'll have sent my letter of acceptance |
| 05:59.48 | thiago | you'll need proof of enrollment |
| 05:59.58 | iammisc | by april 26th? |
| 06:00.01 | iammisc | or later? |
| 06:00.02 | micahcowan | acceptance != enrollment |
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| 06:00.13 | micahcowan | On april 26th. |
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| 06:00.21 | micahcowan | The faq makes it prety clear. |
| 06:00.22 | micahcowan | !faq |
| 06:00.22 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 06:00.24 | iammisc | uhmmm.... ok |
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| 06:01.30 | iammisc | Google defines a student as an individual enrolled in or accepted into an accredited institution including (but not necessarily limited to) colleges, universities, masters programs, PhD programs and undergraduate programs. It says "accepted into" |
| 06:01.44 | micahcowan | Read on. |
| 06:02.00 | iammisc | You should be prepared, upon request, to provide Google with transcripts or other documentation from your accredited institution as proof of enrollment or admission status |
| 06:02.03 | iammisc | admission status |
| 06:02.17 | iammisc | As long as you are enrolled in a college or university program as of April 26, 2010, you are eligible to participate in the program. Accepted students will be asked by Google to provide proof of enrollment after acceptance. |
| 06:02.36 | iammisc | accepted students will be asked by google to provide proof of enrollment after acceptance |
| 06:02.49 | micahcowan | Ah, ok, you're right. |
| 06:03.02 | micahcowan | There are several other places (further below) that only say enrollment. |
| 06:03.17 | iammisc | uhmmm.. if i try, and they say no, I won't be penalized, right? |
| 06:03.30 | micahcowan | No, sounds like you're probably good to go. |
| 06:03.50 | iammisc | coolios |
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| 06:04.39 | micahcowan | Well, hm. I'm actually confused. |
| 06:05.22 | ihalip | morning |
| 06:05.36 | micahcowan | iammisc, Okay, the answer to question 6 seems clearer, iammisc. |
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| 06:06.36 | micahcowan | But that's for post-secondary... |
| 06:06.45 | iammisc | huh? |
| 06:07.37 | iammisc | oh i see |
| 06:07.49 | iammisc | well then, i'll have to try to get a proof of enrollment by april 26th |
| 06:08.12 | micahcowan | Someone should reword question 2 one way or the other. Most of the answers seem to state "enrollment" as the requirement, but 2 sounds otherwise. Get someone with a green dot (or @) by their name to answer, I guess. |
| 06:08.34 | micahcowan | I thought I'd been hearing "enrollment" pretty consistently in answers, though. |
| 06:08.53 | iammisc | what exactly constitutes a proof of enrollment? would a letter do? |
| 06:09.55 | micahcowan | iammisc, I think that's covered in answer #2. |
| 06:10.33 | iammisc | "other documentation" is not very specific, |
| 06:10.38 | iammisc | a letter? |
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| 06:11.18 | kai | hm, reading backlog |
| 06:11.21 | micahcowan | agreed. Not very. But I assume so long as you're actually enrolled in an accredited institution, they'll find a satisfactory way for you to prove it. |
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| 06:11.45 | iammisc | okay. Well I'll apply and if they say i'm not eligible, then whatever |
| 06:12.09 | micahcowan | iammisc, well, so do you think you may not actually be enrolled at that part? |
| 06:12.25 | iammisc | no i should be by april 26th |
| 06:12.41 | kai | ok, for all I know you need to have some proof that you are or will be a student |
| 06:12.55 | micahcowan | Because it wouldn't be great for you to get a slot assigned to you, and then they discover later that you weren't eligible... that's a slot that could have been to someone else. |
| 06:13.19 | iammisc | uhmm.... how do you propose I sort this out then? |
| 06:13.54 | iammisc | is there a mailing list or usenet group where i could post? |
| 06:14.01 | micahcowan | iammisc, well, you said you should be by april 26th, right? But get an answer from a googler (like carols, when she's around) to cover the case that you're not. |
| 06:14.17 | micahcowan | And while you're at it, please ask her to fix the faq so that point is clearer. |
| 06:14.35 | micahcowan | Might also google, I'm sure it's been answered before. Probably in my presence, on IRC, too. |
| 06:14.53 | micahcowan | But as a mentor/org admin, I don't pay as much attention to those sorts of details as I might... |
| 06:14.55 | kai | iammisc: do you have a letter of acceptance? |
| 06:15.03 | iammisc | by april 26th, I'll have sent in my acceptance letter; and I should be able to ask wherever i go for proof that I indeed enrolled |
| 06:15.07 | iammisc | kai: yes |
| 06:15.25 | kai | that should be ok then, iirc |
| 06:17.29 | iammisc | k thx |
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| 06:19.10 | kai | I mean if you're enrolled by then, even better, but I think a letter of acceptance form a university has been sufficient in the last years |
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| 06:20.45 | kai | !faq |
| 06:20.46 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 06:20.53 | stargaming | I would appreciate feedback on my proposal to the Nmap project. http://seclists.org/nmap-dev/2010/q1/1246 |
| 06:22.22 | iammisc | darn it you beat me to it |
| 06:22.29 | iammisc | laughs |
| 06:22.35 | ihalip | very professional looking |
| 06:22.59 | ihalip | wow, this looks great :) |
| 06:23.34 | iammisc | who's going to be your mentor? |
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| 06:24.31 | stargaming | I will pick some stranger from Chatroulette I think. |
| 06:25.22 | iammisc | oooh. ooh. pick me. pick me. haha |
| 06:26.26 | stargaming | iammisc, if the Nmap devs aren't up for it we can submit this proposal to the Open Source Programs Office (but initial feedback from the Nmap community seems positive). ;-) |
| 06:26.50 | thebolt | Morning |
| 06:26.59 | iammisc | 'night |
| 06:27.28 | kai | stargaming: wow, pretty convincing. if we didn't already have professional slackers on our team, I'd try to convince you to change projects |
| 06:27.48 | kai | morning thebolt, a bit late for work? ;) |
| 06:28.29 | Dark_Shikari | stargaming: you need to find more webcomics |
| 06:28.29 | thebolt | kai: working from home today.. going away at 1 to spend the easter holiday with my family.. so commuting 2*1½ hours felt a bit uneccesary :P |
| 06:28.33 | Dark_Shikari | to fill tuesday and thursday |
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| 06:29.22 | kai | stargaming: I can recommend userfriendly and phdcomics |
| 06:29.34 | iammisc | uhmm.. on the registration page for students it asks for a school name. as of right now i have no single uni? what should i do? |
| 06:30.01 | kai | iammisc: well, haven't you decided where you'll be going yet? |
| 06:30.09 | iammisc | no |
| 06:30.33 | robbyoconnor | are you sure you're gonna meet the requirement? |
| 06:30.36 | iammisc | but i will have by april 26th |
| 06:30.48 | robbyoconnor | but will you be accepted by then? |
| 06:30.55 | robbyoconnor | that's the question |
| 06:30.59 | iammisc | yes. I already am accepted |
| 06:31.06 | robbyoconnor | ahh |
| 06:31.07 | iammisc | i just need to decide which acceptance i'm going to accept |
| 06:31.07 | robbyoconnor | ok |
| 06:31.09 | robbyoconnor | where? |
| 06:31.11 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 06:31.18 | iammisc | so far, ucla, uc davis, and harvey mudd |
| 06:31.23 | stargaming | Dark_Shikari, absolutely! I will use the Community Bonding Period to conduct a survey among devs for, like, most popular webcomics. Probably. |
| 06:32.04 | stargaming | kai, your feedback is appreciated (I can in turn really recommend Dilbert if you aren't already following it). |
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| 06:37.37 | thebolt | stargaming: you could add a few daily ones like questionablecontent and wulffmorgenthaler.. keeps you busy at least a couple of minutes per day |
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| 06:48.49 | stargaming | thebolt, I need to slack off from slacking off too! |
| 06:49.05 | thebolt | stargaming: hehe, true |
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| 07:34.41 | tlax | Anybody runned into any functional programmin language mentors other than Haskell.org and Scala? |
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| 07:39.49 | dholbach | good morning |
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| 07:42.31 | tlax | A fine morning to you too. :) |
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| 08:29.20 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 08:37.49 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 09:16.31 | ajuonline | so proposals are visible to any regsitered user? |
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| 09:24.30 | sanyam | While editing applications at menage page, It created lot of unnecessary spacing between lines....Is this a bug ?? |
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| 09:43.47 | pdelgallego | hi, what is "Google Open Source Programs Office" for? it has not a idea pages. It is this the org that I should apply if I have an idea doesnt match with any other organization? |
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| 09:49.09 | ihalip | pdelgallego: yes; you will also need to find a mentor though |
| 09:50.27 | pdelgallego | ihalip, should I find a mentor before submitting the application or after submitting it? |
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| 09:51.35 | pdelgallego | ihalip, The mentor should be a Google employee? |
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| 09:52.14 | ihalip | i don't know, sorry |
| 09:52.27 | pdelgallego | kk, I will ask in the mailing list |
| 09:53.17 | thiago | I don't think the mentor has to be from google |
| 09:53.24 | thiago | and I do think you need to find a mentor before |
| 09:53.41 | thiago | submitting random ideas without mentors to Google will not get you anywhere, however good the idea is |
| 09:54.46 | ajuonline | :) |
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| 09:55.35 | thebolt | you don't have to find mentor.. |
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| 09:55.46 | thebolt | you submit an appliction to a mentoring _organisation_ |
| 09:55.54 | thebolt | then it is up to them to decide on the specific individual |
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| 09:56.20 | thebolt | it might be a good idea though to talk to _potential_ mentor_s_ in the organisation before, during and after submitting an application |
| 09:56.22 | |Kev| | thebolt: Is that true for Google as well? |
| 09:56.57 | thebolt | ah, no, but the google "umbrella" you need a really good idea, a really good reason and yes.. a potentail mentor.. |
| 09:57.08 | thebolt | missed what scrolled off the screen |
| 09:59.07 | thiago | for all orgs except OSPO, the mentor will be assigned to you |
| 09:59.14 | thiago | finding one and talking to him/her is a good idea |
| 09:59.17 | thiago | but not necessary |
| 09:59.24 | thiago | for OSPO, you'll need to suggest a mentor |
| 10:03.34 | pdelgallego | thx thiago, I will try to find a mentor |
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| 10:41.29 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 10:43.48 | ajuonline | thebolt: that statement sounded like, you dont mind the mentor, the mentor finds you :P |
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| 10:46.15 | thebolt | ajuonline: well, what i wanted to convey is that for 99.9% of all projects or so you don't have to work on finding amentor just to submit a proposal |
| 10:46.53 | ajuonline | :) |
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| 10:49.30 | codestr0m | mentors can still apply at orgs right? I don't want to bug the admin if in some case I missed a deadline |
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| 10:57.56 | ihalip | i know a mentor who signed up yesterday |
| 10:58.12 | ihalip | so... i think you're ok to apply today too |
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| 11:02.34 | wombawomba | I'm curious wether I would be qualified for gsoc. I'm pretty good at programming and have written among other things a game engine and a n-body gravititational simulation. However, I'm definitely no hacker and have little experience working with the kind of big projects found in the program. What do you think? |
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| 11:04.23 | _ikke_ | wombawomba: The goal of gsoc is to get experience, so I say yes |
| 11:04.31 | cygal | the point is to bring good programmers to big open source projects, so you're likely qualified |
| 11:04.55 | loupgaroublond | wombawomba, if you're a student, then yes, you're qualified to apply |
| 11:05.04 | loupgaroublond | you get as much training on the job as you bring experience too |
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| 11:05.39 | bawr | It really depends on the project. As long as you choose something you're interested in and are honest about what you can and can't (yet) do, you can't lose. |
| 11:06.21 | wombawomba | alright, guess I could give it a shot |
| 11:06.58 | bawr | That's the spirit. |
| 11:07.11 | loupgaroublond | you should, you never know what kind of experience you'll get just from talking to people who run open source project |
| 11:07.18 | cygal | since you talked about a game engine, there are a few games each year, this year I can think of #freedroidrpg and #wesnhot |
| 11:08.08 | cygal | wesnoth* |
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| 11:10.40 | wombawomba | most of these projects do seem out of my league though. Would I have any chance getting accepted for a project for which I dont really know exactly what to do, or should I stick to the stuff I know? |
| 11:11.29 | bawr | You want things just outside of your comfort zone, I'd say. |
| 11:11.55 | bawr | For varying levels of "just". :) |
| 11:12.07 | cygal | why would they be out of your league? did you check out their "Ideas" page, or look at their code? |
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| 11:13.13 | bawr | But I'll give you a tip - these things aren't as hard as they look at first. If you want to help with a specific program, check out its bug trakaer and look for something easy to fix. |
| 11:13.19 | ajuonline | sometimes, having exactly no clue about anything, but still being able to decide that you will learn, and do it. helps |
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| 11:16.10 | wombawomba | cygal, I didn't look at any code, but I did look at a few ideas pages and most seem to require very specific knowledge |
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| 11:16.51 | bawr | That's why we have the community bonding period, among other reasons. |
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| 11:17.21 | loupgaroublond | wombawomba, your mentor will hopefully drop a crateful of unix manuals on you during thebonding period |
| 11:19.16 | wombawomba | alright |
| 11:20.06 | wombawomba | thanks for the tips |
| 11:20.44 | bawr | I guess most orgs look for three things. A good idea (if it's from the ideas page, perhaps expand on it a bit) is one. The other two are about the candidate - smart, and gets things done. If those are provided, whether he has domain knowledge or not isn't that important. :) |
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| 11:24.43 | thiagoss | Is there a way to get the students email from a proposal? This student private messaged me while I was sleeping and I'd like to talk to him, but he's in China, and I'm in Brazil, so our TZ really don't match :) |
| 11:24.45 | avtobiff | bawr, he? |
| 11:26.23 | ajuonline | thiagoss: comment on the proposal? |
| 11:26.29 | avtobiff | bawr, hopefully organisations look for people, not men |
| 11:26.56 | bawr | avtobiff: he/him is the neutral pronoun in the English world. Deal with it. :P |
| 11:27.17 | avtobiff | bawr, it is not neutral in anyway. update yourself. :d |
| 11:27.36 | thiagoss | ajuonline: The proposal is empty, he just put in the title so far. But yes, I can live with comments |
| 11:27.39 | bawr | Sorry, I'm not into the he/she or "hir" crowd. |
| 11:28.04 | avtobiff | bawr, sorry. i don't accept the current states of affairs, neither take them for granted. |
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| 11:28.29 | loupgaroublond | bawr, be more creative, make up your own neutral pronouns |
| 11:28.59 | |Kev| | Lota is above your puny pronouns, Lota is Lota. |
| 11:29.53 | bawr | I just don't really care about this particular way in which the English language is "broken". If I need to be unambiguous and culturally-neutral, there's always Lojban. :P |
| 11:30.27 | avtobiff | anyhow, using "he" as neutral pronoun is not modern, closes out half of the worlds population, and is simply disrespectful of the entire human race. |
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| 11:30.51 | ajuonline | otoh, did anyone notice today's http://xkcd.com ? |
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| 11:34.18 | bawr | avtobiff: If I'm ever a politician or a documentation writer, I may care about that. As it is, it captures my un-PC thought process accurately. My default thought when thinking of programmers is men. I mean, I could very well use the PC lingo, but I'd be lying. |
| 11:34.51 | avtobiff | bawr, so you mean only politicians and documentation writers should care about equality? |
| 11:34.55 | avtobiff | and what they say? |
| 11:35.02 | avtobiff | are you serious? |
| 11:35.14 | bawr | No, I mean I'd rather be accurate than polite when talking about what I'm thinking. |
| 11:35.23 | bawr | *falsely polite |
| 11:35.25 | avtobiff | change your thinking then |
| 11:35.36 | avtobiff | nothing wrong with being accurate |
| 11:35.54 | |Kev| | Like using the usual impersonal pro-noun, instead of making one up? :) |
| 11:36.30 | avtobiff | bawr, also. do you think of any particular ethnicity regarding programmers (men in your case) when you think? |
| 11:36.45 | bawr | avtobiff: You use "he/she" because you mean it. I use "he" because I mean it, at least in this context. If that's all you need to call me insensitive, so be it. |
| 11:37.12 | avtobiff | bawr, or are there equally many pictures of the worlds ethnicities represented in your concious male centric programmer world |
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| 11:37.31 | avtobiff | bawr, i use she because no one else does |
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| 11:38.09 | bawr | avtobiff: If you say "programmer", my default mental image is basically a merge of all the programmers I've met. I don't think I'm alone in this regard. |
| 11:38.26 | bawr | This is just a default, though. I think you're reading too much into it. |
| 11:38.40 | avtobiff | i am really sick and tired of people not questioning these things to a wider extent. even more so with people arguing for their usage of male centric language. |
| 11:39.32 | avtobiff | bawr, my point here was that you don't produce what ethnicity the programmer has. you would not say "white men" neither "black men" about programmers, right? |
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| 11:39.55 | avtobiff | but it seems you think it is perfectly acceptable to do such a produce with gender |
| 11:40.00 | |Kev| | No, that's because bawr's using an impersonal pronoun. |
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| 11:40.28 | bawr | It's just that my impersonal pronoun is "he". :) |
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| 11:41.10 | bawr | Now, here's a tip before you get too worked up. I'm Polish, in Polish we don't have this problem. |
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| 11:41.17 | |Kev| | I note that the dictionary I have here gives 'he' to mean 'any person'. |
| 11:41.21 | avtobiff | bawr, what do you say in polish? |
| 11:41.47 | |Kev| | There are languages where the gender-inspecific impersonal pronoun isn't the same as the male, but English isn't one. |
| 11:41.49 | avtobiff | bawr, hah, i am not worked up. not more than usually. :) |
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| 11:42.15 | bawr | Come to think of it, you don't want to know how Polish works. Every noun has its own gender, in a way. |
| 11:42.18 | avtobiff | |Kev|, yesyes, please give me sources. i want to learn. :) |
| 11:42.28 | avtobiff | bawr, like in german |
| 11:42.47 | bawr | If you were Polish, you'd have to revolutionise the whole grammar to meet your PC goals. |
| 11:42.49 | |Kev| | avtobiff: I'm looking it up in the dictionary included with OS X. |
| 11:43.01 | bawr | Yes, kind of like in german. |
| 11:43.10 | |Kev| | I suspect other dictionaries aren't radically different. |
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| 11:43.54 | avtobiff | |Kev|, no, since they reflect society |
| 11:44.16 | bawr | I mean in Polish, "jacket" is a she, "coat" is a he. How does that make you feel, avtobiff? :) |
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| 11:44.26 | avtobiff | bawr, how does it make you feel? |
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| 11:45.27 | bawr | I'm Polish. I love it. The whole language is a mess of twisty passages, all of which can be used in puns. :) |
| 11:45.55 | avtobiff | bawr, why can't you take this seriously? if we were discussing racism here, would you be equally defendent of current situation? |
| 11:46.02 | sfb | My Mom's family is Polish but alas, all they taught me was cuss words. |
| 11:47.20 | |Kev| | But we're not discussing racism, nor are we discussing sexism, we're discussing how some words have multiple meanings. |
| 11:47.26 | bawr | Nowhere did I say anything about defending the "situation", avtobiff. I merely pointed out that "he" *is* a neutral pronoun, and that it just happens to capture my thought process in this instance, as a side effect. |
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| 11:47.54 | loupgaroublond | avtobiff, you're not going to change the world one IRC channel at a time, there are a number of ways you can go about doing it |
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| 11:48.17 | loupgaroublond | if it really bother's you, you can use 'they' and 'themself' in english |
| 11:48.22 | loupgaroublond | but the issue does run deeper |
| 11:48.27 | bawr | Except it's butt-uggly. |
| 11:48.28 | avtobiff | loupgaroublond, aren't these discussions welcome here? i missed the eula on the way in. |
| 11:48.41 | avtobiff | loupgaroublond, of course |
| 11:49.15 | avtobiff | i just made a tiny remark and got the response "deal with it". so i did |
| 11:49.24 | loupgaroublond | good :) |
| 11:49.27 | bawr | avtobiff: Let me put it this way. I'd rather have the language change as a result of change in thinking, than the other way around. |
| 11:49.33 | loupgaroublond | anyways, the problem runs deeper, language has been this way for thousands of years |
| 11:49.51 | bawr | Especially since the other way around, people can always be as un-PC as they please and just pretend. |
| 11:49.54 | avtobiff | language reflects the way we think bawr |
| 11:49.58 | loupgaroublond | in hebrew, if you have a group of boys, it's yeladim, girls are yeladot, but if it's a mixed group, it's still yeladim, even if the girls outnumber the boys |
| 11:50.37 | loupgaroublond | since there's no neutral gender, you'll always favour someone |
| 11:50.38 | avtobiff | loupgaroublond, yeah, very hard to see gender power structure in teh language is it. hard to spot really, even when given examples. :) |
| 11:50.55 | bawr | avtobiff: And since people aren't using he/she left and right of their own accord, we haven't made the transition yet. |
| 11:50.56 | avtobiff | loupgaroublond, i see it as you disfavour everyone |
| 11:51.04 | bawr | Changing the language won't force it. |
| 11:51.16 | avtobiff | no, but it can help. or do you disagree? |
| 11:51.38 | loupgaroublond | avtobiff, can you name any other time in history where gender roles were not important to humanity? |
| 11:51.52 | sanjoyd | !timeline |
| 11:51.53 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 11:52.01 | bawr | I disagree. I think it promotes liars. |
| 11:52.06 | avtobiff | loupgaroublond, sry, didn't follow you there |
| 11:52.12 | bawr | It's easy to *say* he/she. |
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| 11:52.52 | sfb | What an absurd conversation for #gsoc |
| 11:52.53 | sfb | hahah |
| 11:52.54 | avtobiff | bawr, as we are lying today right. when we mean an individual from a general group and say "he" when it might not be. not very exact and precise. |
| 11:52.56 | loupgaroublond | so this is the first time in my knowlege where humans are living in a society where gender roles may not be necessary anymore (and this is of course open to debate) |
| 11:53.02 | bawr | I mean for heaven's sake, look at politicians and managares, the fron runners of the PC lingo. |
| 11:53.04 | avtobiff | sfb, what an absurd thing to say |
| 11:53.05 | loupgaroublond | sfb, sure, but i go on vacation tomorrow |
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| 11:53.12 | sfb | loupgaroublond: Lucky you. |
| 11:53.13 | sfb | loupgaroublond: (; |
| 11:53.27 | sfb | avtobiff: I don't often go to #c++ and argue politics. |
| 11:53.29 | loupgaroublond | it's easter, another archaic pagan-christian construct that i don't celebrate |
| 11:53.31 | sfb | avtobiff: I'm just saying. |
| 11:53.48 | bawr | I my mind, all the PC lingo crowd did was *obscure* the way people really think. |
| 11:53.50 | avtobiff | sfb, why not? |
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| 11:54.06 | sfb | avtobiff: Time and a place for everything. |
| 11:54.17 | avtobiff | sfb, you probably argue STL vs boost or whatever? |
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| 11:54.32 | avtobiff | sfb, wake up and smell the coffee, everything is politics. |
| 11:54.37 | |Kev| | sfb: because of course c++ isn't politics, it's religion. |
| 11:54.40 | avtobiff | or nothing, whatever way you want it |
| 11:54.45 | sfb | avtobiff: I also like to be able to go in there and ask questions when necessary and I'm positive that the other 150 members of the channel don't want to muddle through my ranting and raving in order to answer legitimate on topic questions. |
| 11:54.48 | bawr | loupgaroublond: Aren't egg-laying hares especially amusing when worked into an incompatible religious system, though? :) |
| 11:54.52 | sfb | |Kev|: Oh snap. |
| 11:54.59 | DrJoel | Hi .. we just got one of those mentor requests from someone we haven't heard of.. does anyone know "lglira"? Is this a spammer? How do I find out who it is? |
| 11:55.33 | |Kev| | DrJoel: if it's a mentor request, and the org doesn't know them, it's spam. |
| 11:56.24 | spectie | <bawr> It's easy to *say* he/she. |
| 11:56.25 | DrJoel | |Kev|: I agree. In the past, some folks have been bad spammers and bulk banned/dropped. Just wondered if this was another one |
| 11:56.26 | spectie | use singular' they' |
| 11:56.52 | bawr | No. That looks just awful. |
| 11:56.58 | avtobiff | sfb, well, i wasn't alone in this discussion you know. |
| 11:57.31 | loupgaroublond | hehe, i'm refraining from comment now, someone's got a real question ;) |
| 11:57.55 | sfb | avtobiff: No, but you did a fantastic job of trolling it and stoking it rather than citing a difference of opinions and letting #gsoc go back to on-topic conversation. |
| 11:58.01 | DrJoel | remembers a feminist prof who took offense to me using Renaissance Man in an essay. Wanted it changed to Renaissance Person. I wrote it out saying da Vinci was not a Renaissance Person. |
| 11:58.07 | bawr | Well, it wasn't like where were other discussions... and we did have a successful 4D backwards-in-time pointer discussion yesterday. :) |
| 11:58.26 | sfb | hahah |
| 11:58.31 | avtobiff | sfb, all ot-discussions don't seem to be treated equally. |
| 11:58.37 | DrJoel | oh no. I took the troll .. |
| 11:58.44 | sfb | hahah |
| 11:59.20 | spectie | bawr, why? |
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| 11:59.26 | spectie | bawr, i bet you use it all the time |
| 11:59.36 | spectie | :) |
| 11:59.51 | sfb | DrJoel: My assumption would be spam but you could try and comment on the request? |
| 12:00.14 | bawr | spectie: Using "they" like that looks awful to me. I can't deconstruct the impression, I'm afraid. It just *is*. |
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| 12:00.43 | bawr | avtobiff: In all honesty, at least *that* discussion was technical in nature. ;) |
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| 12:01.11 | |Kev| | bawr: I seem to recall the O'Reilly style guide saying something like "Choose one and stick with it, but for the love of all that's sane don't use "they"' |
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| 12:01.21 | |Kev| | I may be paraphrasing. |
| 12:01.26 | avtobiff | bawr, and feminism isn't important? i think the digital divide is one of the most important questions for foss. either being class, ethnicity, gender, north/south hemisphere. |
| 12:01.27 | DrJoel | sfb: I don't think melange gives more than a accept/reject option. :( |
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| 12:02.07 | DrJoel | needs to run .. thanks |
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| 12:03.20 | bawr | I can agree that feminism is important. I can also admit that it's important to me personally. |
| 12:03.24 | avtobiff | bawr, stating that most foss developers are white males from us or germany. |
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| 12:05.04 | Ivanovic | avtobiff: don't forget the french people, there are some, too |
| 12:05.08 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 12:05.20 | bawr | I pick my fights. I can't be an armchair Grammar Nazi *and* a feminist at the same time. :) |
| 12:05.25 | sfb | I'm seeking French students for my project. Maybe they can read the comments in our code. \= |
| 12:05.41 | sfb | bawr: Oh no. You just admitted to being a nazi. |
| 12:05.48 | avtobiff | bawr, yeah, i pick fights all the time as well |
| 12:05.56 | avtobiff | Ivanovic, :) |
| 12:07.01 | bawr | avtobiff: "picking fights all the time" != "picking your fights". ;P |
| 12:07.07 | avtobiff | no, it was a joke |
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| 12:07.30 | Ivanovic | avtobiff: and in fac't i'd even go further: |
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| 12:07.42 | Ivanovic | most open source developers are european white males |
| 12:08.16 | avtobiff | Ivanovic, yes, and i think it is a huge problem |
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| 12:09.03 | Waren | yo |
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| 12:10.14 | avtobiff | welcome Waren |
| 12:11.36 | Waren | hi avtobiff |
| 12:11.37 | Waren | thx :) |
| 12:12.27 | sfb | http://teachingdesign.blogspot.com/2010/03/game-design-tech-tree-version-01-beta.html |
| 12:12.33 | sfb | Nice flow chart. |
| 12:12.41 | sfb | Or "tech tree" if you will. |
| 12:13.23 | spectie | flowcharts are awesome |
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| 12:18.23 | avtobiff | Waren, signing up for gsoc?! |
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| 12:19.59 | bawr | Why so "!?"? |
| 12:22.22 | Waren | not yet avtobiff |
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| 12:33.04 | sfb | Waren: Have a project in mind? |
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| 12:56.18 | sfb | Waren: Do you have an area of interest? |
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| 13:04.12 | spectie | !timeline |
| 13:04.12 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 13:10.03 | charon | funny, i managed to get into a situation where i'm subscribed to the mentors list but not with the gmail address/login that i use on the site, hence i'm unable to edit my subscription. (not that i'd really like to change any options... but sending list email to gmail instead of university would be kind of nice) |
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| 13:17.53 | [Po]lentino | hi, I'm trying to register as student on the GSoC site but, when I click Submit, it gives me an error which says "There is no such active role." |
| 13:18.00 | [Po]lentino | what does it means ? |
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| 13:22.27 | bawr | Ask in #melange, I guess. |
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| 13:27.44 | [Po]lentino | ok thanks bawr |
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| 13:28.55 | skbohra_ | is thinking of writing 3rd application :D |
| 13:31.00 | sfb | skbohra_: To which project? |
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| 13:32.04 | skbohra_ | are mentors around ? ;) |
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| 13:33.04 | sfb | I'm around. |
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| 13:34.45 | skbohra_ | sfb: atutor, freifunk |
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| 13:35.05 | Ian_Corne | !orgs |
| 13:35.06 | socinfo | "orgs" is The list of accepted mentoring organizations is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 13:36.36 | skbohra_ | sweet soc site shows profile info from last year :) |
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| 13:39.01 | sfb | skbohra_: Huh? |
| 13:39.03 | sfb | skbohra_: haha |
| 13:39.47 | sfb | Ah |
| 13:40.03 | sfb | ATutor is kind of neat. At my day job we use a commercial equivalent to it. |
| 13:40.44 | sfb | skbohra_: Have you considered NeL? (; |
| 13:41.15 | skbohra_ | sfb: sorry, Nel is ? |
| 13:41.28 | sfb | skbohra_: The project I'm mentoring. It's an MMO framework. |
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| 13:41.41 | sfb | skbohra_: We're technically under WorldForge's umbrella. |
| 13:42.00 | skbohra_ | sfb: can you give me url ? |
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| 13:43.01 | sfb | skbohra_: http://dev.ryzom.com/projects/nel/wiki/GSoc2010Ideas |
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| 14:24.22 | tanatos | hello 'Topekans' :) |
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| 14:27.21 | sfb | hahah |
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| 14:31.31 | sfb | Did you guys see gDay? |
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| 14:44.38 | bawr | I've seen it two days ago, if you get my drift. |
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| 14:59.45 | htrejh | hi |
| 15:01.24 | htrejh | i would like to work for gsoc, however my parents say they will probably not have their "familial allocations", dunno how you say that in english |
| 15:01.32 | htrejh | can someone help me to know if it's true or not? |
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| 15:02.03 | |Kev| | I don't know what you mean, I'm afraid |
| 15:02.39 | merwok | I htrejh. I'm from France, I think I see what you're talking about. |
| 15:02.51 | htrejh | well my parents receive some money every month from the state |
| 15:02.57 | merwok | It's some money given to families with a certain income. |
| 15:03.03 | htrejh | merwok: allocations familiales... |
| 15:03.23 | merwok | If the family earns more, including children, this money can be lessened or withdrawn. |
| 15:03.23 | htrejh | well apparently they get 300⬠per month or so |
| 15:03.28 | htrejh | so they wouldn't like to lose it |
| 15:03.41 | |Kev| | Ah. |
| 15:03.58 | htrejh | i think they calculate based on the number of days you worked |
| 15:04.10 | htrejh | would that be the case when participating for the gsoc? |
| 15:04.27 | |Kev| | GSoC money is treated as income in whatever region you live, so you're basically a consultant for google for the summer (for tax purposes) |
| 15:04.54 | htrejh | yes, but will they calculate based on the number of days you worked, |
| 15:05.13 | htrejh | it's more like a contract if i understand |
| 15:05.22 | |Kev| | That sounds like a question to ask your benefits department (whatever that's called over there) |
| 15:06.12 | htrejh | ok thanks, will try :) |
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| 15:16.31 | Ian_Corne | !next |
| 15:16.31 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 15:17.13 | Ian_Corne | Oh it's in the topic :) |
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| 15:27.09 | fisxoj | so... I want to apply, but I just moved to Germany for a semester... is that going to make things complicated? |
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| 15:29.23 | merwok | Why should it fisxoj? You're still legally a student with official papers and such. |
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| 15:29.41 | fisxoj | merwok, more just that I'm clueless than anything else |
| 15:29.46 | merwok | (I'm just a student here, not speaking as a lawyer or GSoC official) |
| 15:29.47 | fisxoj | I'm pretty sure I can get working papers |
| 15:30.02 | mlankhorst | fisxoj: from within the eu or outside it? |
| 15:30.20 | fisxoj | well, I should get them from the city here in Germany, I imagine? |
| 15:30.32 | merwok | From the university you're registered with. |
| 15:30.37 | mlankhorst | I mean, are you a eu citizin or not |
| 15:30.53 | fisxoj | not, american citizen studying abroad in germany this semester |
| 15:30.56 | merwok | I spent one semester in Germany once but was still registered in my home univ in France. |
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| 15:31.19 | mlankhorst | !faq |
| 15:31.19 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 15:31.24 | fisxoj | so, I could register with US info? or would that be some sort of fraud...? |
| 15:32.17 | mlankhorst | fisxoj: do you have a point of contact for your visum? |
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| 15:33.10 | fisxoj | mlankhorst, is that a singular form of visa? if not, I don't know what that means, if yes, I'm registered with the city, I think I apply to them for work papers |
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| 15:34.00 | mlankhorst | fisxoj: Are you staying in germany for the whole duration? |
| 15:34.39 | fisxoj | mlankhorst, no, I leave the end of July |
| 15:36.54 | mlankhorst | fisxoj: I don't know, you could ask on the mailing list or wait till carols comes around |
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| 15:37.28 | fisxoj | I'll hang around in here, I guess, I'll be back in a few hours |
| 15:38.00 | LawnGnome | My recollection when this sort of issue has come up in the past is that you have to have work rights in the country you're actually in at the time. There may be tax implications, too, depending on when you get paid and where you are when you get paid: that's something you'd pretty much have to talk to a tax agent or accountant about. |
| 15:38.14 | LawnGnome | But yes, the Google folk will have the definitive answer. |
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| 15:41.17 | gvallarelli | how much slots give google to each org? And on which criteria? |
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| 15:42.34 | sfb | gvallarelli: Anywhere from 1 to 50 |
| 15:42.46 | sfb | gvallarelli: The criteria is top secret. (; |
| 15:42.50 | gigasoft1 | in how many ideas i can apply in one organization? |
| 15:42.58 | Mek | !slots |
| 15:42.59 | socinfo | "slots" is Slots are allocated after student proposals are all submitted. The final count of slots are unknown until the accepted students are announced. Please see http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations for further information on how slots are allocated. |
| 15:43.15 | gvallarelli | :) |
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| 15:45.42 | merwok | gigasoft1, answer's in the FAQ. |
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| 15:46.24 | merwok | gigasoft1, 20 applications max per student, although 20 applications would be silly. No max number on how many applications per org, can be 20. |
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| 16:13.21 | |Kev| | Hoorah, the applications have started \o/ |
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| 16:13.43 | |Kev| | Two applications in, both look good, this makes me happy :) |
| 16:14.43 | carols | is happy she doesn't have to deal with tinymce anymore |
| 16:14.45 | carols | hooray! |
| 16:14.51 | carols | goes back to sipping tea |
| 16:15.03 | |Kev| | Simple pleasures :) |
| 16:15.13 | carols | for sure, |Kev| |
| 16:15.34 | bobbens | |Kev|: I think there was a melange problem |
| 16:15.46 | bobbens | and mentors couldn't see it |
| 16:15.49 | bobbens | but not sure |
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| 16:16.46 | |Kev| | Ah. |
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| 16:25.10 | bawr | carols: Word. Turning Javascript off and just pasting HTML generated from Markdown made me get angry a whole lot less. |
| 16:25.26 | carols | that's for sure, bawr |
| 16:25.37 | bawr | Uhh. "a whole lot less"... I need more tea. |
| 16:26.17 | rajat | hey carols what happens once the student proposal is submitted. how are they judged. as in only mentors have a say in it? |
| 16:26.29 | rajat | suggests some iced tea |
| 16:26.47 | carols | rajat: its entirely up to the orgs. hopefully you've already been working with your choice orgs about what they're looking for in a proposal |
| 16:27.21 | bawr | I don't suppose we can maybe have a button that turns TinyMCE off without having to monkey around with Javascript settings? |
| 16:27.32 | carols | bawr: its on your profile page |
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| 16:27.47 | bawr | Ah, missed it. |
| 16:28.40 | merwok | Plain text works everywhere, forever. Love plain text. |
| 16:28.43 | bobbens | you can turn TinyMCE off? \o/ |
| 16:29.09 | |Kev| | You can feel the excitement :) |
| 16:29.26 | bobbens | it means I can actually edit my proposals \o/ |
| 16:29.31 | bobbens | without getting gray hairs :P |
| 16:30.34 | ajuonline | srsly? |
| 16:30.37 | ajuonline | goes checks |
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| 16:31.24 | bobbens | it's cute because it's the only option :P |
| 16:31.31 | bobbens | your name and disable tinymce :P |
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| 16:32.01 | carols | seriously, ajuonline. i'm happy :-) |
| 16:32.35 | ajuonline | awesome! :) |
| 16:32.45 | ajuonline | just hit that checkbox |
| 16:32.48 | bawr | Wait, this is a new option, right? |
| 16:32.56 | bawr | I wouldn't miss something so important. |
| 16:33.01 | carols | yes, bawr. sverre put it in last night |
| 16:33.50 | bawr | Aha. Awesome. |
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| 16:34.25 | mlankhorst | yay |
| 16:35.05 | dhaun | carols: thanks for cutting short the discussion about a deadline extension :) |
| 16:35.07 | Traveler6 | Hi friends, which IRC client is best to use.? |
| 16:35.18 | dhaun | one of the yearly rituals I can do without ... |
| 16:35.23 | bawr | Traveler6: Whatever you're comfortable with. |
| 16:35.26 | carols | happy to, dhaun :-) |
| 16:35.31 | bawr | Weechat here, if you need to know. |
| 16:35.31 | |Kev| | irssi's very popular among the more techie users. |
| 16:35.43 | bawr | Weechat is like irssi that works. :) |
| 16:37.20 | Traveler6 | Is Weechat free? |
| 16:37.51 | robbyoconnor | Traveler6: yes. |
| 16:38.21 | schumaml | bawr: irssi doesn't work? |
| 16:38.22 | Traveler6 | Thanks, I found it. |
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| 16:38.41 | bawr | schumaml: Well. It works, but weechat *just* works. |
| 16:38.54 | bawr | A builtin nick list is a nice touch, for one thing. ;) |
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| 16:39.41 | |Kev| | bawr: irssi /has/ a built-in nick list |
| 16:39.51 | |Kev| | /names |
| 16:39.55 | bawr | There's always ircii for when I want an absolutely minimalistic experience. |
| 16:40.00 | bawr | |Kev|: :D |
| 16:40.27 | bawr | Truth to be told, I used to like irssi, but one time I think it broke or something, so I tried weechat and stuck with it. |
| 16:40.33 | Traveler6 | isn't it good to use online chat client (e.g. mibbit and java.freenode) |
| 16:40.49 | |Kev| | Traveler6: what's good is whatever works for you. |
| 16:41.04 | schumaml | Traveler6: different target audience |
| 16:41.26 | schumaml | a common scenario for an irssi user is to run it in a screen session on a server |
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| 16:43.44 | bawr | Or a dtach session. :) |
| 16:44.53 | bawr | Who needs good memory when there's logs and grep, eh? |
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| 16:47.51 | ajuonline | <3's irssi+screen |
| 16:47.59 | gigasoft1 | <merwok> thanks |
| 16:48.38 | bawr | <3s weechat+dtach |
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| 16:55.41 | TylerM | howdy.. |
| 16:55.48 | xiainx | hola |
| 16:55.50 | TylerM | anyone else getting a 404 when looking for a project review |
| 16:55.53 | TylerM | ? |
| 16:56.22 | TylerM | I get a notice of a review, then click on the link in the notification.. 4040 page not found |
| 16:56.26 | TylerM | oopsie ;-) |
| 16:57.01 | cygal | see with #melange or directly post a bug report? |
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| 16:57.28 | TylerM | ah melange, thx cygal will do |
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| 16:59.52 | TylerM | Another note... old link on GSOC 2010 home page |
| 16:59.59 | TylerM | on here: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/home/google/gsoc2010 |
| 17:00.05 | TylerM | oh never mind |
| 17:00.08 | TylerM | my bad :) |
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| 17:16.14 | josip_ | hello, is it acceptable if I send two PDFs: one with the application-specific proposal and another one with my CV |
| 17:16.21 | josip_ | I find this clearer than to bundle everything together |
| 17:16.55 | |Kev| | You'll want to submit your proposal in the proposal form available. If you want to link to an external CV, speak to the org in question. |
| 17:17.06 | |Kev| | I expect most will be fine with it. |
| 17:17.27 | pygi | josip_, you can do it, just make sure the external link is to directory with both PDFs |
| 17:17.27 | thiago | just don't send .doc |
| 17:17.37 | pygi | thiago, what about docx? |
| 17:17.46 | |Kev| | Some may be fine with you submitting a pdf as your main proposal, but be very sure the org won't mind, first. |
| 17:17.52 | thiago | worse |
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| 17:19.34 | josip_ | |Kev|: or I can bundle them in one pdf one after the another |
| 17:20.06 | josip_ | hm, a pdf is acceptable right? I can send the LaTeX sources if someone needs them .. which I doubt |
| 17:20.21 | micahcowan | josip_, as |Kev| said, the proposal really needs to be in the proposal form. |
| 17:20.22 | |Kev| | I'd strongly recommend you try and use the form for the application itself, rather than just saying "here's a link" |
| 17:20.27 | pygi | thiago, hm, then I need to remove it :D |
| 17:20.29 | pygi | hehe, joking :p |
| 17:20.47 | |Kev| | At least for my org, I'd frown on people not doing so (it makes tracking them harder as an admin). |
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| 17:20.57 | pygi | josip_, you need to fill in the forms. pdf is just an extra. |
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| 17:21.24 | micahcowan | It makes tracking harder, and if the proposal should be changed _after_ acceptance, it's harder to detect. |
| 17:21.35 | |Kev| | micahcowan: exactly what I meant by 'makes tracking harder' |
| 17:21.39 | micahcowan | :) |
| 17:21.56 | |Kev| | Also: there are no bonus points for being a massochist and using LaTeX :p |
| 17:22.07 | micahcowan | Plus, if there's a dispute, it's harder to prove to Google what the agreed-upon original proposal really was. |
| 17:22.12 | |Kev| | [* may depend on the org you apply to] |
| 17:22.30 | micahcowan | |Kev|, being a masochist currently means using the melange JS editor, unfortunately... |
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| 17:24.47 | josip_ | damn, they should have made a pdf the standard |
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| 17:25.10 | |Kev| | micahcowan: no argument |
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| 17:25.47 | josip_ | so I can now create html from latex and use that |
| 17:25.49 | josip_ | damn. |
| 17:25.59 | |Kev| | Or just copy and paste. |
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| 17:36.26 | shreyas | just counducting an informal survey, how big was ur propasal, in terms of words |
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| 17:37.09 | duairc | shreyas: About 1200 |
| 17:37.23 | duairc | I've no idea if it's any good, I haven't got any feedback yet :) |
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| 17:38.46 | shreyas | i know quality is better than quantity and blah blah blah, just for funs sake |
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| 17:43.32 | bawr | I think about 2k here, but it's being changed still. |
| 17:43.57 | g0 | Hi all! Do you think it is a good idea to apply to more than one project under the same mentoring org? |
| 17:44.11 | vyas021 | no |
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| 17:44.27 | micahcowan | g0, sure, there's no probablem with that. |
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| 17:44.37 | araujo | g0, I see no issue with that |
| 17:44.55 | micahcowan | Of course, you can only be accepted to a maximum of one project. |
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| 17:45.10 | micahcowan | ("probablem"...?) |
| 17:45.15 | g0 | right. |
| 17:45.23 | micahcowan | where the heck did that come from... |
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| 17:45.54 | micahcowan | blames Blue's Clues, playing for the benefit of his 3yo daughter |
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| 17:46.56 | g0 | vyas021: why no? |
| 17:47.17 | bawr | Well, if it's an umbrella org, nothing wrong with that. If it's a small group, you might want to make one polished proposal, instead. |
| 17:47.20 | vyas021 | go: no issue with that |
| 17:47.54 | micahcowan | bawr, why? |
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| 17:48.42 | micahcowan | Quality certainly trumps quantity, but I wouldn't really see what the size of the group has to do with it. Seems like they would benefit from options as much as anyone else. |
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| 17:50.35 | bawr | Well, small groups usually have some things they'd really like to have done, so I figure it's a good thing to include one of those things in your proposal and go wild with polish, but that's just me. This is why I said he *might* want to do that. :) |
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| 17:53.24 | micahcowan | bawr, gotcha |
| 17:53.25 | micahcowan | http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5841.txt |
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| 17:53.40 | micahcowan | RFC 5841: TCP Option to Denote Packet Mood |
| 17:54.56 | bawr | Ah, I was waiting for the April 1 RFC. :) |
| 17:56.50 | kdaks | hi |
| 17:57.40 | kdaks | in asf i saw admins give marks if mentors are fully engaged during proposal writing |
| 17:58.16 | kdaks | if a mentor is not assigned yet how can we make sure that criteria is fullfiled |
| 17:58.33 | |Kev| | mentors aren't assigned to projects |
| 17:58.40 | |Kev| | an org can already know who the available mentors are. |
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| 17:59.02 | micahcowan | |Kev|, they are assigned to project proposals, does that differ? |
| 17:59.16 | |Kev| | micahcowan: well, ok. |
| 17:59.23 | |Kev| | They /could/ already be assigned to projects. |
| 17:59.26 | micahcowan | kdaks, that criteria is usually not fulfilled until it's closer to acceptance time. |
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| 18:00.03 | micahcowan | Well, it often can be, but doesn't need to be until then. |
| 18:00.23 | micahcowan | I've assigned one mentor, because I know that's the one that'll handle that proposal (if there are enough slots and everything goes well before acceptance, etc) |
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| 18:00.49 | kdaks | micahcowan |
| 18:00.51 | kdaks | thanks |
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| 18:04.54 | kdaks | actually for my propsal there are no comments that is why i worried |
| 18:05.23 | kdaks | even in the mailing list where i first forwarded the project proposal |
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| 18:06.45 | bobbens | kdaks: I believe there was an issue and they weren't able to see proposals until today |
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| 18:06.56 | bobbens | but someone would have to confirm that |
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| 18:07.22 | micahcowan | bobbens, I've been able to see proposals from day one. |
| 18:07.37 | micahcowan | HOWEVER, there are no automatic notifications about them :\ |
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| 18:07.55 | micahcowan | So it's a good idea to ping the mentors a bit (as kdaks appears to have done). |
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| 18:08.20 | kdaks | There is a commiter who is willing to help me for the project and he seems to be busy these days :) |
| 18:08.27 | micahcowan | kdaks, yeah, there shouldn't necessarily be mentors assigned yet, however, they ought to comment promptly, if they've been made aware. |
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| 18:09.57 | kdaks | but i have asked for suggestions from the community also ,, actually i would like to know ur valuable ideas to minimize the effect upon myself. |
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| 18:14.25 | ThomasWaldmann | moin |
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| 18:19.05 | Wolf_OSGeo | Yay 4 days of no work! \o/ |
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| 18:22.00 | ajuonline | Wolf_OSGeo: share some work load :P |
| 18:22.05 | ajuonline | i mean take some of mine :D |
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| 18:30.28 | Wolf_OSGeo | ajuonline: hmm how can I help? |
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| 18:31.20 | Wolf_OSGeo | ajuonline: do you need a whip to whip mentors with? |
| 18:31.44 | ajuonline | lol |
| 18:33.17 | ajuonline | Wolf_OSGeo: iirc ur an admin right? |
| 18:34.19 | Wolf_OSGeo | ajuonline: yup |
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| 18:35.15 | ajuonline | Wolf_OSGeo: how many admins u need for big umbrella projects? :P |
| 18:35.22 | ajuonline | like yours? |
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| 18:35.50 | mordante | !timeline |
| 18:35.50 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 18:37.16 | Wolf_OSGeo | ajuonline: in 2008 we had 1½ this year we have 3, but I still do most of the stuff since I haven't learned how to delegat yet. Well and I enjoy doing it. Coming up with ways to make SoC better for students and fun for the mentors too |
| 18:37.57 | micahcowan | IME, though, being an org admin usually isn't nearly the amount of work being a mentor is. |
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| 18:38.15 | micahcowan | You get big bursts around now, and maybe at midterm and final evals. |
| 18:38.35 | ajuonline | but then, they do mentor too i guess |
| 18:39.13 | micahcowan | Not necessarily. This year and last, I've only played backup-mentor (for GNU screen). |
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| 18:40.54 | xnox | Yeah =) we have a welcome bot now =) |
| 18:41.08 | xnox | wiches it was 5* hotel like welcome champagne though =))))) |
| 18:41.17 | xnox | s/wiches/wishes |
| 18:41.34 | Wolf_OSGeo | ajuonline: I'm aming at not mentoring, will instead try to keep up with the overall progress of all projects and trying to detect problems before they happen |
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| 18:42.22 | Wolf_OSGeo | Also for an umbrella org there is some work at herding too |
| 18:42.29 | Wolf_OSGeo | mostly the mentors |
| 18:42.33 | ajuonline | right, i think i can imagine that :) |
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| 18:43.31 | Wolf_OSGeo | last year I menored too and found that I wasn't able to focus on either part enough, so this year I want to try to make soc as smooth as possible for all |
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| 18:47.05 | stargaming | !logs |
| 18:47.05 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 18:58.21 | bobbens | mmm, without tinymce it doesn't seem to interprete \n as a linebreak, I guess you have to use <br /> |
| 18:58.28 | bobbens | so my comment is all one line :P |
| 18:59.23 | micahcowan | plays with "Google Chrome Unmuted". http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fchrome.blogspot.com%2F2010%2F04%2Funmuting-web-with-google-chrome.html&h=7c694e4ee887809349490c7b85086e3c |
| 18:59.30 | micahcowan | Gah, sorry for the facebook-ized link. |
| 18:59.40 | micahcowan | http://chrome.blogspot.com/2010/04/unmuting-web-with-google-chrome.html |
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| 19:32.22 | shreyas | !next |
| 19:32.22 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 19:40.55 | ruwan_home | hi all |
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| 19:45.34 | sfb | bawr: I request humbly that you refer to me in a gender neutral fashion. |
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| 19:48.08 | micahcowan | (still _sounds_ gender-biased, though :) ) |
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| 19:53.18 | explorer_ | Hi, once my proposal is ready, what is the next step? |
| 19:53.26 | darkip | submit it? |
| 19:53.33 | explorer_ | yes where? |
| 19:53.42 | darkip | !topic |
| 19:53.43 | socinfo | "topic" is Read it! /topic will show it again. |
| 19:53.52 | explorer_ | is /topic |
| 19:54.14 | darkip | go to: http://bit.ly/c7VsEH |
| 19:54.47 | darkip | then "Submit your Student Proposal" |
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| 19:56.08 | explorer_ | i have done applying, but where is the link to submit student proposal? |
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| 19:56.33 | darkip | click "Submit your Student Proposal" |
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| 19:57.30 | explorer_ | oh got it, sorry for the trouble, thanks a lot |
| 19:57.39 | darkip | no problem |
| 19:57.51 | merwok | Will the org be notified of the proposal, or is it best to post it to the relevant mailing list too? |
| 19:58.10 | explorer_ | what is the purpose of creating documents? |
| 19:59.50 | darkip | explorer_: I was wondering this as well |
| 20:00.12 | dhaun | merwok: unfortunately, there are no notifications for new proposals |
| 20:00.18 | Catfish_Man | merwok: the org *should* be looking at their list of proposals regularly though |
| 20:00.32 | dhaun | some *gentle* prodding may be in order if you don't get feedback after a while |
| 20:00.43 | explorer_ | yes, @darkip that was the reason i had to ask the previous question on how to submit |
| 20:00.48 | merwok | Ok, so better send a nice mail with the proposal right here. |
| 20:01.03 | kblin | which reminds me, I wanted to file a bug about the update notifications giving the wrong link for non-public proposals |
| 20:01.33 | merwok | Problem is, I'll be absent for three days, so I have to get it right today if I want to be read and get feedback. |
| 20:01.56 | explorer_ | how do we see publicly available proposals? |
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| 20:03.17 | dhaun | explorer_: I think you can only see them if you know the URL, i.e. there is no list (that I know of) |
| 20:03.37 | mmadia | !countdown |
| 20:03.37 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 20:03.53 | micahcowan | http://xkcd.com/ is awesome today. |
| 20:04.04 | ajuonline | this is awesome too http://docs.google.com/View?id=df6p74cq_8d2d32cc6 |
| 20:05.05 | explorer_ | @dhaun I have found the way, simply search |
| 20:05.23 | explorer_ | there is a search link in the left hand side |
| 20:05.36 | dhaun | that was too easy :P |
| 20:06.53 | kblin | that shows last year's proposals, though |
| 20:07.04 | Catfish_Man | ajuonline: brings a tear to my eye |
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| 20:09.34 | magsol | hahaha |
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| 20:11.46 | merwok | Accepted proposals from last year can help write one's proposal. |
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| 20:11.57 | merwok | Which link are you talking about? |
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| 20:12.48 | kblin | depends, if the org's template changed, it won't help much |
| 20:12.51 | kblin | anyway |
| 20:13.02 | dhaun | merwok: you'll only see the abstract from old proposals, I think |
| 20:13.02 | merwok | There are orgs without templates. |
| 20:13.14 | kblin | anybody know of a way to teach melange to show more than 5 entries in the list? |
| 20:13.32 | kblin | merwok: whatever |
| 20:13.52 | dhaun | kblin: feature request, I guess :P |
| 20:13.59 | greghaynes | Is anyone else getting an issue where when an application is 'submitted' it doubles the number of newlines? |
| 20:14.16 | kblin | greghaynes: you want to disable tinymce |
| 20:14.31 | greghaynes | aha, thanks |
| 20:14.33 | kblin | you're bitten by melange bug 811 |
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| 20:16.16 | ruwan_home | hi people..can i submit the application now and do changes until the deadline arrives...? |
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| 20:16.36 | dhaun | ruwan_home: yes |
| 20:16.53 | kblin | !edit |
| 20:16.53 | socinfo | "edit" is You can submit your application in early and edit it up until the deadline. Once the deadline passes, you cannot edit it. Instead, leave comments. |
| 20:17.59 | ruwan_home | thanks dhaun n kblin |
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| 20:18.30 | kblin | hi carols |
| 20:18.35 | carols | chevyhi kblin |
| 20:18.38 | carols | sorry |
| 20:18.45 | carols | how you doing kblin? |
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| 20:19.55 | kblin | great, thanks. how's life being the new head honcho of gsoc? :) |
| 20:20.36 | carols | kblin: haha its good. busy, of course. but i knew that was coming. :-) |
| 20:21.26 | ajuonline | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.42 | magsol | o.O |
| 20:21.47 | magsol | that is one interesting smiley |
| 20:21.48 | ajuonline | Catfish_Man: and, I can haz fish now? its third year now. |
| 20:21.57 | Catfish_Man | ajuonline: appreciating the beauty |
| 20:21.59 | Catfish_Man | and no, you can't |
| 20:22.38 | kblin | ajuonline: you know, I'd expect you finally could use your gsoc money to get a course on fishing and catch one yourself ;) |
| 20:22.54 | ajuonline | :P |
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| 20:23.08 | ajuonline | why o why didnt I think of that (in the same tone as, why o why didnt I take the blue pill" |
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| 20:23.40 | adimania | Hi. I marked one of my applications as "withdrawn" from that day I haven't received any comment on nay of my project. How can I ensure that they are visible to the respective organizations? |
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| 20:25.12 | Wolf_OSGeo | adimania: ask them! ;) |
| 20:25.29 | micahcowan | ajuonline, you know what irks me about that scene? |
| 20:25.33 | Wolf_OSGeo | waves at carols |
| 20:25.49 | adimania | I mailed organizations but got no reply :( |
| 20:25.51 | micahcowan | None of the matrix "flaws" people point out bother me. They all seem just plausible enough for me to suspend disbelief. |
| 20:25.51 | ajuonline | micahcowan: how would I? I am not the Oracle. |
| 20:25.57 | carols | hey Wolf_OSGeo |
| 20:25.59 | carols | waves back |
| 20:26.04 | Wolf_OSGeo | :) |
| 20:26.04 | ajuonline | heya carols :) |
| 20:26.13 | carols | hey ajuonline :-) |
| 20:26.19 | carols | everyone having a good april fool's? |
| 20:26.26 | ajuonline | ha ha. right. tell me about it :P |
| 20:26.37 | carols | is now a Topekan |
| 20:26.48 | Wolf_OSGeo | carols: sure. saw a few good fools |
| 20:26.48 | Catfish_Man | carols: google australia's was better :) |
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| 20:27.15 | carols | Catfish_Man: they do some cool stuff down there, I like their pranks. :-) did you see GAG? |
| 20:27.25 | Catfish_Man | yeah |
| 20:27.26 | micahcowan | ajuonline, But Cypher says, "the image constructs work FOR the construct program, but there's way too much information to decode the matrix." |
| 20:27.31 | carols | nice |
| 20:27.35 | ajuonline | carols: who comes up with such stuff anyways :P kool things, |
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| 20:27.39 | danderson | micahcowan: image translators, he says. |
| 20:27.49 | danderson | but yes, it's the wrong emphasis |
| 20:27.52 | micahcowan | With the emphasis. It sounds like the "construct program" is part of the matrix or something, and that the image translators are their slaves. |
| 20:27.52 | carols | ajuonline: we spend an entire year thinking about it ;-) |
| 20:27.57 | micahcowan | danderson, yeah, sorry. |
| 20:28.10 | micahcowan | It drives me nuts every time. I can't believe they didn't retake that. |
| 20:28.12 | danderson | then again, Cipher was a traitor |
| 20:28.17 | danderson | it stands to reason that he also can't speak. |
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| 20:28.23 | micahcowan | Heheh. |
| 20:28.39 | micahcowan | I love how he shuts a couple screens down when Neo walks in. Like Neo's gonna notice something askew. |
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| 20:28.53 | danderson | (and no, I don't remember the entire movie from memory, I watched it again yesterday) |
| 20:28.58 | micahcowan | Even though he can't understand the code... maybe Cipher subconsciously realized he really is the One :) |
| 20:28.58 | danderson | micahcowan: yeah, sneaky bastard. |
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| 20:29.19 | ajuonline | needs to watch it again, it seems.. |
| 20:29.32 | micahcowan | Yeah, I nabbed the quote from a quick google search, apparently picked the wrong page. |
| 20:30.09 | micahcowan | ajuonline, yeah, compare what he says. He says "...works FOR the construct program", but compare that to if he had said "...works for the CONSTRUCT program". :\ |
| 20:31.22 | danderson | micahcowan: I suspect part of it may just be that he didn't really understand what he was saying :/ |
| 20:31.35 | micahcowan | danderson, exactly. |
| 20:31.41 | danderson | eg. "meh, it's geektalk, it'll come out right however I say it" |
| 20:31.46 | danderson | thus ruining it for all the rest of us :P |
| 20:31.57 | micahcowan | The actor (can't remember his name) didn't know what he was saying, so he just fudged it. But I would've thought the director(s) would catch that. |
| 20:32.46 | micahcowan | Can't be blamed, he wasn't involved with our earlier encounter with what the construct program actually was, and that might even have been filmed after anyway... |
| 20:33.07 | micahcowan | Though he could've read the parts of the script that didn't involve him, to get a bit of context. Anyhoo :) |
| 20:33.34 | micahcowan | (Sorry for hijacking the chan :) ) |
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| 20:35.48 | ajuonline | carols: haha. geekcharmer, i likes :P |
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| 20:44.56 | bawr | micahcowan: Wait, so implying that humans can be used as batteries does not bother you? |
| 20:45.28 | danderson | that's where you suspend disbelief. |
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| 20:45.29 | bawr | Meh, I wish I wasn't a nerd sometimes. Ruins most movies for me. |
| 20:45.52 | danderson | maybe the machines found a really cool way to extract energy from us, and it turns out to be really awesome |
| 20:46.06 | danderson | or maybe they just hate us and like seeing us squirm in the matrix. |
| 20:46.38 | bawr | danderson: Well, I find suspending disbelief hard. Let me put it this way, I can manage movies like Sneakers, not much more. |
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| 20:47.06 | kblin | I'll have to post http://www.matrix-xp.com/ again :) |
| 20:47.46 | danderson | bawr: you should watch Primer. No disbelief to suspend. |
| 20:47.52 | danderson | However, your brain *will* explode. |
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| 20:48.13 | bawr | danderson: I did. And it almost did. Pi was also just right. |
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| 20:48.40 | merwok | The Second Renaissance (in The Animatrix) was quite good. |
| 20:48.43 | micahcowan | bawr, humans totally could be used as batteries. That's not what people complain about. They complain about even bothering with human batteries when they have "a form of fusion" to combine it with. |
| 20:49.11 | micahcowan | danderson, or maybe it's a _really_ weak "form" of fusion :) |
| 20:49.14 | danderson | micahcowan: maybe they weren't talking about nuclear fusion |
| 20:49.25 | micahcowan | Or maybe they had very limited resources for that fusion. |
| 20:49.32 | merwok | SF author Stefan Wul used the people as batteries idea in a novel decades ago. |
| 20:49.38 | danderson | they were talking about compressing dead bodies together to form the feeding pulp whatsit that they feed to the living. |
| 20:49.55 | merwok | Oh, the vomit moment. |
| 20:49.57 | micahcowan | Eewwwww.... |
| 20:50.12 | merwok | Do dead bodies contain enough nutriments? |
| 20:50.20 | merwok | (Human surimi :( |
| 20:51.54 | bawr | But just to be clear, I didn't have any trouble watching and enjoying Matrix. The first part, anyway. |
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| 20:52.18 | danderson | reloaded and revolutions are kinda fun to watch at times, but nowhere near as good as #1 |
| 20:52.26 | micahcowan | Exactly. |
| 20:52.39 | carols | comes back from a convo with a coworker |
| 20:52.42 | carols | thanks ajuonline :-) |
| 20:52.47 | micahcowan | Though the "Neo fighting many agents" and "highway action tour-de-force" bring it almost nearly there. |
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| 20:53.42 | bawr | I'll grant you that, sure/ |
| 20:53.46 | Dark_Shikari | the only redeeming factor about reloaded is the video with the neo + pole vs 50 agent smiths fighting scene, where Neo is replaced by Miku Hatsune. (thanks japan) |
| 20:54.00 | micahcowan | heh, another great movie just walked in ^ |
| 20:54.15 | micahcowan | well, book, too. Can't remember whether I've read it. I know I own it. I don't think I have yet. |
| 20:54.31 | Dark_Shikari | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMbssrcTWTI |
| 20:54.59 | micahcowan | No sound? :( |
| 20:55.02 | merwok | Please, don't forget the epic arrival of Niobe. |
| 20:55.25 | micahcowan | Hahah, I can see Neo's head behind her. |
| 20:56.01 | micahcowan | Maybe there's no sound because that April Fool's chrome extension interferes :( |
| 20:56.05 | merwok | (I mean arrival in time to save Zion) |
| 20:56.57 | micahcowan | merwok, or hand it over to the machines on a silver platter ;) |
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| 20:58.50 | micahcowan | Yeah, it was the chrome extension. |
| 20:59.04 | merwok | micahcowan, you're just Lockian. |
| 20:59.07 | merwok | (: |
| 21:00.28 | micahcowan | Eh? |
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| 21:02.25 | merwok | Your viewpoint is Locke's. |
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| 21:07.45 | micahcowan | merwok, I struggle to see how. I also struggle to find where I expressed a viewpoint... Help me out! :) |
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| 21:08.16 | micahcowan | Do you mean because I'm willing to use "what-ifs" to help suspend my disbelief to watch the Matrix? |
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| 21:14.02 | BWaters | !advice |
| 21:14.03 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 21:27.17 | kblin | night folks |
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| 21:28.53 | micahcowan | goodnight, kblin |
| 21:28.57 | merwok | micahcowan, when you said that Niobe's epic arrival gave Zio to the machines. |
| 21:30.08 | micahcowan | Oh, Commander Lock, not John Locke. Clever. I'm a dunce. |
| 21:30.31 | Wolf_OSGeo | and again it's past midnight, but who cares! It's not a worknight! :D |
| 21:30.46 | merwok | Oh, I never though he had a hacker name too. I always think "Locke", not "Lock". |
| 21:31.14 | micahcowan | Yeah, I didn't know, and couldn't even remember for sure that was his name. Google thinks it's "Lock", apparently, so I'm going with that. |
| 21:31.56 | micahcowan | As for a handle, I wouldn't know... maybe he was born and raised on Zion, so didn't need one. But then Tank and Dozer were, and they had nicks, so I dunno. :) |
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| 22:17.05 | josip_ | is it possible to edit the proposal after submitting it? |
| 22:17.23 | micahcowan | josip_, yes. |
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| 22:18.36 | robbyoconnor | josip_: you know TRYING it would be helpful too :) |
| 22:18.51 | robbyoconnor | (no robby rant is coming this time, sorry to disappoint!) |
| 22:19.00 | micahcowan | robbyoconnor, well, if you tried it and you couldn't edit it, then that wouldn't be so helpful. |
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| 22:19.07 | micahcowan | However, I'm relatively sure it's in the FAQ. |
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| 22:19.58 | robbyoconnor | micahcowan: don't troll me |
| 22:20.08 | robbyoconnor | slaps micahcowan |
| 22:20.21 | micahcowan | ? |
| 22:20.24 | robbyoconnor | (note: that was a friendly slap :)) |
| 22:20.30 | robbyoconnor | micahcowan: oh you haven't been around long |
| 22:20.38 | robbyoconnor | I can't keep track anymore lol |
| 22:20.40 | micahcowan | 3rd year |
| 22:20.46 | robbyoconnor | micahcowan: you should know me by now! |
| 22:21.08 | robbyoconnor | this will be my 3rd year too!!! |
| 22:21.08 | robbyoconnor | :D |
| 22:21.25 | micahcowan | I spent less time on IRC in the past, probably. |
| 22:21.36 | micahcowan | Not sure it's great for me to start doing otherwise this year, but we'll see... |
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| 22:21.49 | micahcowan | IRC can be such a time sink |
| 22:21.54 | volodymyr_ch | Hi all |
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| 22:22.58 | volodymyr_ch | Wanted to ask about proposal editor. TinyMCE often formats text incorrect and adds odd line feeds |
| 22:23.19 | volodymyr_ch | Maybe someone know how to get rid of this bug ? |
| 22:23.41 | micahcowan | "Disable TinyMCE" seems to be the current advice. :\ |
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| 22:23.55 | robbyoconnor | use a google doc and link it :) |
| 22:24.00 | robbyoconnor | is gonna do that |
| 22:24.24 | micahcowan | robbyoconnor, I wouldn't. |
| 22:24.51 | micahcowan | The proposal editor is the only "official" proposal, and the only real, practical way to know that the proposal hasn't been changed/mucked with after lock-down. |
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| 22:24.58 | summatusmentis | !orgs |
| 22:24.58 | socinfo | "orgs" is The list of accepted mentoring organizations is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 22:25.10 | volodymyr_ch | but how can I disable it? I dont see any button or switches... |
| 22:25.13 | robbyoconnor | micahcowan: I did :-) |
| 22:25.27 | robbyoconnor | it got me selected |
| 22:25.39 | micahcowan | volodymyr_ch, I don't know. That's what I heard someone else say here, so I assumed there was a way. I haven't tried yet. :\ |
| 22:25.56 | micahcowan | robbyoconnor, I still don't recommend it. |
| 22:26.13 | volodymyr_ch | :) thanks |
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| 22:27.54 | volodymyr_ch | One more question... If I sent a proposal, is it normal that it has not been commented yet ? I heard that some organization tell students to edit applications, but no one told me anything yet... |
| 22:28.17 | micahcowan | volodymyr_ch, fairly normal. Some mentors take longer than others. |
| 22:28.24 | robbyoconnor | micahcowan: why not? |
| 22:28.26 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 22:28.28 | micahcowan | But feel free to gently remind the appropriate folks |
| 22:28.37 | robbyoconnor | I *DO* always remind them |
| 22:28.37 | micahcowan | robbyoconnor, just for the reasons I described |
| 22:29.08 | robbyoconnor | micahcowan: heh there's ways to know lol |
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| 22:29.39 | micahcowan | robbyoconnor, but none are as convenient as knowing it was never possible in the first place. |
| 22:29.51 | robbyoconnor | pfft |
| 22:30.04 | robbyoconnor | infinity > 7500 characters |
| 22:30.05 | robbyoconnor | :D |
| 22:30.29 | micahcowan | I doubt Googlers like extra work, in the case they have to resolve a dispute, etc. |
| 22:30.46 | robbyoconnor | there will be no dispute im applying to one org lol |
| 22:30.58 | micahcowan | That's not the sort of dispute I mean |
| 22:31.03 | robbyoconnor | what "dispute" |
| 22:31.23 | micahcowan | I'm talking about when there are claims that you haven't done the work, and the reliability of the non-proposal proposal comes into play. |
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| 22:31.37 | robbyoconnor | pfft |
| 22:31.42 | robbyoconnor | that would *NEVER* happen |
| 22:31.45 | robbyoconnor | not with me |
| 22:31.51 | summatusmentis | >.> |
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| 22:32.09 | robbyoconnor | with the exception of my first summer i completed my work |
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| 22:33.24 | robbyoconnor | Cranberry Green Tea |
| 22:33.25 | robbyoconnor | <3 |
| 22:33.36 | robbyoconnor | carols: how was the beers and such :) |
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| 22:34.24 | josip_ | robbyoconnor: trying it would help if it would be possible to change it |
| 22:34.35 | josip_ | which I did not know in the first place |
| 22:34.43 | micahcowan | Yeah, that was my point. |
| 22:35.52 | robbyoconnor | josip_: that's why the whole "try it and see" paradigm exists |
| 22:35.55 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 22:35.58 | robbyoconnor | ;) |
| 22:36.27 | micahcowan | robbyoconnor, I'm not seeing much sense there. |
| 22:36.41 | robbyoconnor | slaps micahcowan around with a large trout |
| 22:36.46 | robbyoconnor | anyways |
| 22:36.54 | robbyoconnor | physics -- it's on like donkey kong! |
| 22:37.16 | josip_ | robbyoconnor: that makes no sense, sorry |
| 22:37.29 | araujo | hello |
| 22:37.40 | josip_ | try it and see if you will get killed jumping from the 10th floor |
| 22:37.42 | josip_ | that's why the paradigm exists |
| 22:37.46 | robbyoconnor | josip_: basically: try something, if you fail can't do it! |
| 22:37.51 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 22:38.04 | josip_ | yes, but you do not consider the consequences of the try itself |
| 22:38.19 | robbyoconnor | josip_: okay -- as it applies to computers! |
| 22:38.25 | robbyoconnor | but yeh i see your point |
| 22:38.30 | micahcowan | robbyoconnor, it's still the same problem. |
| 22:38.41 | carols | robbyoconnor: quite good, thanks for asking. :-) we were all a little sad about lh leaving, but she's really excited about new stuff to be doing and working on |
| 22:38.41 | robbyoconnor | there's a massively big hole in my logic |
| 22:38.43 | robbyoconnor | :) |
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| 22:38.48 | robbyoconnor | yeh |
| 22:38.50 | micahcowan | As we've been trying to point out, if he tried it, and failed to edit afterwards, he's left with a useless, incomplete proposal, and he can't apply. |
| 22:39.02 | robbyoconnor | micahcowan: nah |
| 22:39.07 | robbyoconnor | attach a google doc |
| 22:39.20 | robbyoconnor | external resources are allowed |
| 22:39.27 | robbyoconnor | as far as I know |
| 22:39.28 | josip_ | argh, I have to covert my PDF file to HTML now ... |
| 22:39.29 | micahcowan | Heheh. Well that goes back to the other, separate argument. But anyhoo. |
| 22:39.29 | josip_ | damn |
| 22:39.45 | robbyoconnor | micahcowan: love me or hate me |
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| 22:39.50 | robbyoconnor | it's never anything in the middle! :) |
| 22:39.59 | araujo | hello |
| 22:40.37 | summatusmentis | hi araujo |
| 22:40.45 | araujo | hello summatusmentis , how are you? |
| 22:40.48 | summatusmentis | busy |
| 22:41.01 | summatusmentis | working on a 20 min presentation for tomorrow |
| 22:41.50 | robbyoconnor | bounces |
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| 22:51.46 | bawr | robbyoconnor: Sorry, I don't feel strongly one way or another about you. :) |
| 22:51.57 | ruturaj | #melange |
| 22:51.58 | robbyoconnor | you will feel strongly |
| 22:52.00 | robbyoconnor | dont worry |
| 22:52.36 | josip_ | damn, the JS editor sucks big time |
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| 22:52.52 | micahcowan | Yup :\ |
| 22:53.00 | bawr | Turn it off. Use Markdown. Be happy. |
| 22:53.43 | bawr | robbyoconnor: May I take it you feel strongly about being the subject of strong feelings? :) |
| 22:54.09 | bawr | We may have a problem on our hands, because I hardly ever feel strongly. |
| 22:54.16 | robbyoconnor | and google latitude is kinda creepy it emails you when friends come close to you lol |
| 22:55.10 | robbyoconnor | bawr: that's a problem indeed |
| 22:55.21 | robbyoconnor | gets out the shotgun |
| 22:55.29 | josip_ | it just randomly adds space all over the place |
| 22:55.29 | bawr | Aw, shucks. |
| 22:55.32 | robbyoconnor | puts it away |
| 22:56.11 | bawr | josip_: I really meant it. Download markdown and just upload html. (Disable tinymce on your profile page, otherwise it WILL scre up your html anyway.) |
| 22:56.34 | josip_ | I'll handwrite the HTML |
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| 23:32.10 | domonoky | !next |
| 23:32.10 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 23:32.49 | robbyoconnor | UGH |
| 23:32.51 | robbyoconnor | jesus |
| 23:33.03 | bawr | Hmm? |
| 23:33.51 | robbyoconnor | nothing |
| 23:36.27 | jcreigh | *sigh* 26 more days until I find out if my proposal was accepted. I don't know if I can handle it... |
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| 23:43.36 | ThomasWaldmann | jcreigh: work on refining your proposal, discuss it with org, read their source, submit some code to org, ... |
| 23:43.38 | robbyoconnor | jcreigh: sucks to be you :) |
| 23:43.56 | robbyoconnor | ThomasWaldmann: work on melange |
| 23:43.57 | robbyoconnor | :) |
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| 23:44.14 | klical | how long should a proposal be |
| 23:44.15 | scgtrp | jcreigh: wait, 26 days? |
| 23:44.25 | ThomasWaldmann | robbyoconnor: I really considered that, but who works on moin then? :) |
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| 23:44.42 | robbyoconnor | well there you go |
| 23:45.16 | jcreigh | scgtrp: give or take. The accepted student proposal will be announced on April 26th, according to the timeline. |
| 23:45.57 | scgtrp | ohhh, april 9 isn't the deadline for the organizations deciding -_- |
| 23:46.15 | scgtrp | and now i am bored. :P |
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| 23:49.13 | ThomasWaldmann | http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B262635&x=12&y=10 < LOL (see cause) |
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| 23:50.51 | robbyoconnor | WTF |
| 23:50.52 | robbyoconnor | LOL |
| 23:51.12 | klical | any good projects for beginners with no real experiance in programming in the large? |
| 23:51.45 | klical | almost all the projects i have seen so far requires a substiantial amount of work |
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| 23:53.43 | danderson | you're getting paid to write code; the projects aren't going to be trivial :) |
| 23:54.14 | klical | well, i know that too lol, if it's too trivial there's no challenge |
| 23:54.26 | ThomasWaldmann | klical: well, if you don't find something matching, maybe get involved outside summer of code to get more experience until next year |
| 23:54.52 | robbyoconnor | klical: you know ANY Languages |
| 23:54.57 | robbyoconnor | apply to melange :) |
| 23:55.05 | robbyoconnor | or OpenMRS! |
| 23:55.09 | robbyoconnor | OpenMRS is a kickass org |
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| 23:56.26 | robbyoconnor | started by two MDs and currently led by a collaborative effort :) |
| 23:56.55 | klical | ic |
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| 23:58.00 | klical | btw do you guys use python3 or python2 |
| 23:58.09 | sharavsambuu | hello all! |
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