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| 04:18.01 | _marv | hi |
| 04:18.48 | _marv | okie dokie |
| 04:18.52 | Conan_Kudo | ã |
| 04:19.10 | _marv | is that japanese? |
| 04:19.24 | ojwb | yes, but it's obscene |
| 04:19.30 | _marv | looks like a smily |
| 04:19.54 | _marv | does it mean "eat my sashimi"? |
| 04:20.18 | _marv | I'll take that as a no |
| 04:20.26 | Dark_Shikari | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E3%83%84 |
| 04:20.32 | _marv | hehe |
| 04:20.46 | Dark_Shikari | it's just a kana. |
| 04:21.21 | ojwb | assumes it was just meant as a smiley |
| 04:21.37 | _marv | sure. I was not able to make any sense of the wiki page anyway |
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| 04:21.43 | _marv | so it's just a letter |
| 04:21.59 | Dark_Shikari | a syllable. |
| 04:22.02 | Dark_Shikari | japanese doesn't have letters. |
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| 04:22.02 | ojwb | or at least a character |
| 04:22.35 | _marv | and so i am simultaneously confused and enlightened |
| 04:23.10 | _marv | so what's going on in here? |
| 04:23.23 | ojwb | waiting... |
| 04:23.29 | ojwb | !next |
| 04:23.29 | socinfo | "next" is March 18th ~19:00 UTC: List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2010 site. |
| 04:24.04 | _marv | cool |
| 04:24.06 | _marv | !next |
| 04:24.07 | socinfo | "next" is March 18th ~19:00 UTC: List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2010 site. |
| 04:24.58 | _marv | what are the other inquiry's? |
| 04:25.32 | _marv | !previous |
| 04:25.32 | socinfo | Error: "previous" is not a valid command. |
| 04:25.35 | _marv | lol |
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| 04:27.46 | ojwb | _marv: please don't pm me without a good reason |
| 04:28.03 | _marv | oh, ok |
| 04:28.11 | _marv | talking, i guess, is not |
| 04:28.34 | ojwb | well, other people here are probably interested, and can probably also help |
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| 04:29.15 | _marv | i don't understand what you mean |
| 04:29.35 | _marv | you are here to help, I can infer from that |
| 04:30.02 | _marv | but i need a good reason to talk |
| 04:30.05 | _marv | I am confused |
| 04:30.14 | _marv | no one else is doing anything in here |
| 04:30.17 | ojwb | well, I try to help answer questions about gsoc here |
| 04:30.20 | _marv | ok |
| 04:30.48 | ojwb | yes, it's quiet right now, partly due to the time of day and where most people are |
| 04:31.02 | ojwb | and partly because there's a lull between orgs applying and those accepted being announced |
| 04:31.14 | _marv | i understand |
| 04:31.59 | _marv | i just re-entered the IRC world for SOC, I haven't "chatted" since I was young |
| 04:32.08 | _marv | I forgot about all the taboos, I guess |
| 04:32.19 | _marv | or maybe I am just remembering why I stopped |
| 04:32.44 | _marv | anyway, I, too, am waiting for the list |
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| 04:33.01 | _marv | I sent the folks at ScummVM an email stating my intention to participate |
| 04:33.19 | _marv | just lurking trying to get insight |
| 04:33.21 | Catfish_Man | sounds good. I assume you've made sure to check they applied? |
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| 04:33.59 | _marv | I did inquire as to that in my initial contact today, I have yet to recieve a response |
| 04:34.15 | _marv | I am pretty sure they will, they consistently have |
| 04:34.28 | Catfish_Man | well, good luck then :) |
| 04:34.41 | Catfish_Man | soon the floodgates will open here and it'll be a bit crazy |
| 04:35.08 | _marv | yes, well, I always seems to be on a phase shift from the masses |
| 04:35.18 | ojwb | being ahead is good! |
| 04:35.38 | ojwb | sadly people being as they are, a lot don't apply until minutes before the deadline |
| 04:35.54 | _marv | people are busy, especially students |
| 04:35.58 | ojwb | so you can get a "first mover" advantage by applying up front |
| 04:36.08 | ojwb | well, I understand how it happens |
| 04:36.12 | ojwb | and why |
| 04:36.20 | _marv | Also, I have been thinking about this since a year ago |
| 04:36.29 | _marv | I really didn't feel that I had the experience to be effective last year |
| 04:36.40 | _marv | but this year I think I can do it |
| 04:37.07 | ojwb | provided you pick a suitable project, you don't need much experience |
| 04:37.27 | _marv | I know, but I would like to finish my project and be effective |
| 04:37.54 | _marv | maybe experience is the wrong word...preparation |
| 04:38.00 | _marv | or, education? |
| 04:38.17 | _marv | I just really didn't feel like my coding skills and general understanding of computer science was good enough |
| 04:38.24 | summatusmentis | ojwb: does "first mover" actually matter that much? |
| 04:38.40 | Catfish_Man | summatusmentis: it *shouldn't*... |
| 04:38.40 | summatusmentis | maybe it's indicative of other things |
| 04:38.58 | summatusmentis | word. |
| 04:39.43 | ojwb | summatusmentis: well, it depends on the org |
| 04:39.45 | _marv | I suppose that organizations only have limited slots for projects, even though there is no limit on projects they can menotr |
| 04:39.49 | _marv | right? |
| 04:40.08 | _marv | but there are limits on the number of mentors and thier time |
| 04:40.14 | Dark_Shikari | almost everyone who applies to us and completes a qualification task successfully will be accepted. |
| 04:40.21 | ojwb | last year for example, we had a good quality application early on for one of the project ideas, and the student updated it in response to feedback |
| 04:40.23 | LawnGnome | I think the reality is that somebody who appears to have their stuff together by applying early (and with a good, well written, not rushed application) is always going to have a bit of an advantage in the eyes of the reviewers, even if it's subconscious. Still, a well written application on the deadline is likely to beat a poorly written application lodged right after applications open, IMO. |
| 04:40.33 | ojwb | someone else applied for the same idea a few days later |
| 04:40.46 | Dark_Shikari | well this is why we use qualification tasks |
| 04:40.53 | Dark_Shikari | they're a billion times more accurate than an application at telling us how good the student is |
| 04:40.57 | ojwb | at that point, it's was unlikely the second one would stand much chance |
| 04:40.58 | Dark_Shikari | and they get the student bootstrapped into his project. |
| 04:41.00 | _marv | but can't two students work on the same taks? |
| 04:41.10 | Dark_Shikari | and it helps pare down the application pool into people who are actually serious. |
| 04:41.14 | Catfish_Man | _marv: can, but it's not recommended |
| 04:41.18 | _marv | sure |
| 04:41.20 | ojwb | not together |
| 04:41.23 | Catfish_Man | leads to morale problems when you have to pick one at the end |
| 04:41.33 | Catfish_Man | and just from duplication of work |
| 04:41.48 | _marv | i see. So, ojwb, Catfish, where are you from? |
| 04:41.59 | ojwb | Dark_Shikari: yes, we had qualifying tasks, and the first applicant completed the one we gave him |
| 04:42.20 | Catfish_Man | _marv: US west coast |
| 04:42.33 | _marv | oh, i mean open source orgs |
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| 04:42.46 | _marv | im from West Coast too |
| 04:42.58 | ojwb | LawnGnome: pretty much agree, but the early application has more chance to be revised in the light of org feedback |
| 04:43.03 | Catfish_Man | ah I see |
| 04:43.06 | ojwb | at least if the org comments on applications |
| 04:43.09 | Catfish_Man | I was a mentor for Adium for several years |
| 04:43.14 | Catfish_Man | but these days I'm busy with work |
| 04:43.15 | LawnGnome | ojwb: Sure. I mean, it's not exactly an either-or thing. :) |
| 04:43.17 | ojwb | some don't |
| 04:43.18 | Catfish_Man | so just hanging out here to be helpful |
| 04:43.22 | _marv | cool |
| 04:44.32 | ojwb | _marv: I mentored and admined for SWIG last year |
| 04:44.36 | ojwb | but we haven't applied this year |
| 04:44.52 | _marv | argh, i hope Scumm applies |
| 04:44.53 | _marv | lo |
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| 04:45.00 | ojwb | we didn't have much interest from potential mentors, and felt another org could use the place better |
| 04:45.13 | _marv | *lol (<- is spelling correction on lol legal?) |
| 04:45.23 | ojwb | it's not good for us, the students, or the gsoc program to do a half-hearted job |
| 04:45.48 | _marv | fair enough, but there is not limit on mentoring organization is there? |
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| 04:46.05 | ojwb | not a fixed limit, but they'll probably accept about 150 |
| 04:46.13 | _marv | (is lol legal anymore?) |
| 04:46.21 | ojwb | and 350+ applied apparently |
| 04:46.33 | _marv | hmm |
| 04:46.48 | _marv | what would make google turn down an org? |
| 04:46.49 | ojwb | _marv: laughing out loud is now forbidden |
| 04:47.00 | Catfish_Man | heh |
| 04:47.10 | Catfish_Man | _marv: there's a limited amount of money |
| 04:47.11 | _marv | ill keep that in mind...although I can accept responsibility for relfex |
| 04:47.32 | Catfish_Man | also please say that last statement was deadpan :P |
| 04:47.42 | _marv | huh? |
| 04:47.48 | Catfish_Man | ojwb wasn't serious |
| 04:48.28 | ojwb | _marv: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/orgcriteria |
| 04:48.47 | _marv | how do you do the targeted post? |
| 04:49.47 | Catfish_Man | I'm going to guess and assume you mean nick highlighting; if you mention someone, it'll highlight them in most irc clients |
| 04:49.57 | _marv | ok |
| 04:50.20 | _marv | I'm on the imac in the kitchen so I'm using a client, otherwise i'm in a console |
| 04:50.41 | Catfish_Man | plenty of console-based irc clients support that too |
| 04:51.17 | _marv | so who are all these people then? |
| 04:51.25 | _marv | in the chat room? |
| 04:51.35 | Catfish_Man | who knows :) |
| 04:51.38 | Catfish_Man | just people mostly |
| 04:51.42 | _marv | it's been pretty dead I assume |
| 04:51.49 | Catfish_Man | this evening, yeah |
| 04:51.50 | _marv | people? impossible |
| 04:53.12 | _marv | you know what's inspiring to me? the global dispersion of students participating in SOC |
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| 04:53.43 | Catfish_Man | it's interesting. The cultural mismatches sometimes cause issues though |
| 04:53.51 | Catfish_Man | idiom mismatches, differing expectations, etc... |
| 04:54.05 | _marv | Of course, but it proves that intelligence is evenly distributed |
| 04:54.20 | Catfish_Man | that seems intuitive |
| 04:54.32 | _marv | of course |
| 04:54.52 | _marv | so why is it so difficult to grasp for some? |
| 04:55.32 | Catfish_Man | any concept is. There's plenty of folks out there firmly convinced the world will end in 2012 |
| 04:55.51 | _marv | let me put it this way: I love proof that the USA is NOT the center of G-d's universe |
| 04:56.39 | _marv | pehaps I'm getting too sentimental for the GSOC room |
| 04:56.49 | Conan_Kudo | Catfish_Man: aint happening unless someone lets off a forkbomb on Wall Street |
| 04:56.54 | Catfish_Man | heh |
| 04:57.19 | _marv | fork-bomb? plastic, metal or spork? |
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| 04:57.48 | Conan_Kudo | _marv: A forkbomb is one of the worst things to happen to the modern world |
| 04:58.17 | _marv | so, the "fork" part is not to be taken literally |
| 04:58.18 | _marv | ? |
| 04:58.31 | _marv | or, not as a utensil? |
| 04:58.42 | Conan_Kudo | _marv: yeah...? |
| 04:58.47 | Catfish_Man | fork() the posix system call |
| 04:58.48 | _marv | ...? |
| 04:59.08 | _marv | like to fork a proces? |
| 04:59.17 | Conan_Kudo | CreateProcess() on Windows is a rough equivalent |
| 04:59.34 | _marv | what does that have to do with ballistics or the stock market? |
| 04:59.39 | _marv | im confused... |
| 04:59.44 | Conan_Kudo | hahaha |
| 04:59.53 | Catfish_Man | _marv: while(1) { fork(); } |
| 04:59.55 | Conan_Kudo | is too busy laughing |
| 04:59.55 | Catfish_Man | is a forkbomb |
| 05:00.05 | Catfish_Man | basically wipes out the computer it's run on |
| 05:00.20 | Dark_Shikari | sure, if you are an idiot and didn't set ulimits |
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| 05:00.52 | Catfish_Man | Dark_Shikari: I'm summarizing |
| 05:01.18 | _marv | i suppose that's a limit on the number of processes a processes can start? |
| 05:01.36 | Conan_Kudo | Hai |
| 05:01.38 | _marv | I also suppose that the nerd-ness has way surpased my capabilities |
| 05:01.40 | Dark_Shikari | a user |
| 05:01.57 | Conan_Kudo | the worst forkbomb to fire off would be this one: %0|%0 |
| 05:02.03 | _marv | and that WwalStreet is really not in any physical danger from a so called "forkbomb" |
| 05:02.09 | Catfish_Man | indeed |
| 05:02.14 | _marv | word |
| 05:02.29 | _marv | oh a user |
| 05:02.39 | _marv | what do you set that to? |
| 05:02.46 | Catfish_Man | anyway, I'm packing up |
| 05:02.48 | Catfish_Man | later folks |
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| 05:02.49 | neptunepink | Unless you have no idea how to recover from one and your HD only flushes changes every 12 hours. |
| 05:03.05 | _marv | by Catfish, thanks |
| 05:05.11 | cbeck | If you have access to one, try to forkbomb a solaris system, damned impressive |
| 05:06.16 | _marv | so what do you usually set the ulimit to? |
| 05:06.23 | _marv | in the hundreds, I would guess? |
| 05:06.30 | _marv | otherwise, it's a bit restrictive |
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| 05:12.05 | robbyoconnor | i forkbombed myself :) |
| 05:12.11 | robbyoconnor | it's amazingly easy to write :)) |
| 05:12.45 | _marv | hooray for you |
| 05:15.13 | Conan_Kudo | forkbombing is fun |
| 05:15.42 | robbyoconnor | don't be condescending |
| 05:15.48 | robbyoconnor | it's amazingly fun |
| 05:15.53 | Conan_Kudo | almost as much fun as screwing with people ï½ï½ãï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ãï¼µï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ï½
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| 05:15.59 | robbyoconnor | duh! :D |
| 05:16.26 | robbyoconnor | the bash forkbomb is even more fun :D |
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| 05:17.09 | Dark_Shikari | Or we can do everything even better by converting all our text to katakana. |
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| 05:19.39 | Conan_Kudo | ã«ã¿ã«ãã»ã¤ã¹ã»ãã³ããã§ã¦ï¼ |
| 05:20.29 | Conan_Kudo | ãªã«ããããã«ã»ã¤ã§ããã«ã³ã¸ï¼ |
| 05:21.05 | Conan_Kudo | çå®ããã¤ãä¸ã¤ï¼ |
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| 05:22.46 | Conan_Kudo | ï½ï½ï½
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| 05:23.04 | LawnGnome | Personally, I like testing people's support for Unicode ððððð ð. |
| 05:23.14 | Conan_Kudo | ï½ï½ï½
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| 05:23.20 | LawnGnome | Including OS X's Terminal.app, which appears to be broken. :) |
| 05:23.40 | Conan_Kudo | ï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ãï½
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| 05:24.07 | _marv | wow the spophistication in this room degraded rather quickly |
| 05:24.08 | Conan_Kudo | Ｉ ï½ï½
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| 05:24.27 | Conan_Kudo | _marv, ï½ï½ãï½ï½ãï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ï½
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| 05:24.40 | LawnGnome | I actually take that back. Terminal.app works fine for Plane 1 characters; it's just something as it goes via SSH and screen to irssi (all of which are doing fine with BMP characters). |
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| 05:25.00 | Conan_Kudo | screen has to be explicitly told to use UTF-8 mode |
| 05:25.14 | Conan_Kudo | you have to add the -U switch when Creating the screen instance |
| 05:25.35 | LawnGnome | Conan_Kudo: I already have that set up. As I said, it's only having problems with stuff outside of Unicode Plane 0 (which is a codepath very few people would bother testing). |
| 05:25.53 | Conan_Kudo | what does Plane 0 encompass? |
| 05:26.01 | Conan_Kudo | definitely not Arabic |
| 05:26.27 | LawnGnome | Conan_Kudo: Weird stuff. Linear A and B, Gothic, Old Italic, various musical and mathematical symbols not in the BMP... |
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| 05:26.49 | LawnGnome | Oh, sorry, that was plane 1. Misread. |
| 05:27.25 | LawnGnome | Plane 0 is effectively the BMP (basic multilingual plane): that includes your normal things people think of when they think of Unicode, including Arabic, CJK, Latin, Cyrillic, and so on. (Basically, it's the codepoints below 64k.) |
| 05:27.25 | Conan_Kudo | well, thankfully Telugu is supported :) |
| 05:27.36 | Conan_Kudo | Arabic isn't there |
| 05:27.45 | Conan_Kudo | it gets scrambled in screen when I use it |
| 05:27.53 | Conan_Kudo | and I know the font has the support for it |
| 05:28.27 | LawnGnome | RTL languages have whole new levels of fail in a lot of software. :) |
| 05:28.46 | Conan_Kudo | yeah |
| 05:28.48 | thebolt | arabic is plane 0 (a lot of it, not sure if all of it) |
| 05:29.09 | Conan_Kudo | one of the GSoC suggested project ideas for my open source project is getting RTL working |
| 05:29.10 | thebolt | well, even worse than RTL, top-down (ie traditional chinese for example) is pretty much not supported by anything or anyone ;) |
| 05:29.21 | Conan_Kudo | even worse than that |
| 05:29.30 | Conan_Kudo | Ruby text isn't supported by ANY terminal prompt afaik |
| 05:30.09 | LawnGnome | thebolt: Yeah, Mongolian script's another entertaining one to break people's minds with. :) |
| 05:30.36 | Conan_Kudo | Devanagari is another one |
| 05:30.40 | Conan_Kudo | its still RTL |
| 05:30.45 | thebolt | LawnGnome: how does it work? |
| 05:30.48 | Conan_Kudo | errm, LTR |
| 05:30.58 | Conan_Kudo | but the weird glyphs cause a lot of problems |
| 05:31.36 | LawnGnome | thebolt: Top-down, but it the characters also have to join up to make sense, so there's interesting work around ligatures and having characters extending out of their "usual" boxes. |
| 05:31.46 | thebolt | LawnGnome: how nice :P |
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| 05:31.52 | Dark_Shikari | LawnGnome: well, nobody cares about the astral planes anyways =p |
| 05:33.00 | thebolt | hm, wonder if unicode contains glyphs for futhark.. |
| 05:33.29 | Conan_Kudo | should |
| 05:33.33 | Conan_Kudo | it has Klingon |
| 05:33.53 | thebolt | heh |
| 05:34.17 | thebolt | yep, seems it does.. 0x16A0-0x16FF is reserved for futhark |
| 05:35.05 | lut4rp | ohai guise |
| 05:35.32 | Conan_Kudo | Shinjitsu wa itsumo hitotsu! |
| 05:35.41 | lut4rp | is that Japanese? |
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| 05:36.48 | Conan_Kudo | ãçå®ããã¤ãä¸ã¤ï¼ãï¼ï¼ãï¼³ï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ãï½ï½ãï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ãï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ï¼ |
| 05:36.58 | lut4rp | O_o |
| 05:36.59 | Conan_Kudo | There is always one truth! |
| 05:37.13 | Conan_Kudo | Shinjitsu == Truth |
| 05:37.18 | Conan_Kudo | itsumo == always |
| 05:37.22 | lut4rp | oic |
| 05:37.25 | Conan_Kudo | hitotsu == roughly, one |
| 05:37.33 | Conan_Kudo | wa == roughly, is |
| 05:37.59 | Conan_Kudo | Literal translation would be "Truth is always one!" |
| 05:38.07 | Conan_Kudo | but since English is SVO |
| 05:38.13 | Conan_Kudo | instead of SOV like most other languages |
| 05:38.25 | Conan_Kudo | we have to force the SOV |
| 05:38.30 | Conan_Kudo | Hence, "There is" |
| 05:40.50 | Conan_Kudo | tomorrow, we find out! WHO MADE THE CUT |
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| 05:40.57 | Conan_Kudo | ON THE NEXT "Case Closed" |
| 05:41.08 | Conan_Kudo | "Summer of Code Mystery!" |
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| 05:44.41 | Conan_Kudo | "Let's hope the Kaitou Kid doesn't steal the list before it is revealed!" |
| 05:44.46 | Conan_Kudo | "Don't jinx us!" |
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| 06:00.06 | pitz | Conan, can i help you? |
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| 06:00.52 | Conan_Kudo | O.o |
| 06:01.05 | Conan_Kudo | damn, posted in the wrong room |
| 06:01.12 | Conan_Kudo | must be gettin tired |
| 06:01.35 | _marv | is that a wierd smiley or arabic? |
| 06:02.40 | Conan_Kudo | it's using mathematics symbols to indicate eye-rolling |
| 06:04.43 | _marv |  |
| 06:05.00 | _marv | so how do i get into those ethereal utf planes? |
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| 06:06.17 | nareshsankapelly | hello every one |
| 06:06.44 | nareshsankapelly | i'm new here |
| 06:06.55 | _marv | nareshsankapelly: hi! |
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| 06:07.05 | creek23 | hi nareshsankapelly |
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| 06:10.49 | aAntin | g'morning |
| 06:12.05 | aghisla | o/ |
| 06:12.27 | _marv | ש××× |
| 06:12.49 | _marv | hah, figured it out |
| 06:12.54 | skbohra | morning folks |
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| 06:18.05 | Conan_Kudo | _marv: what's with the hebrew |
| 06:18.43 | _marv | just figuring out how to get unicode stuff in here, like you guys were doing |
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| 06:19.26 | _marv | what's with the japanese? |
| 06:19.29 | _marv | lol |
| 06:19.31 | Conan_Kudo | I use an IME |
| 06:19.51 | _marv | whats that? |
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| 06:20.02 | Conan_Kudo | IME == Input Method Editor |
| 06:20.14 | _marv | ok |
| 06:20.25 | _marv | i just changed my keyboard input |
| 06:20.28 | Conan_Kudo | for QWERTY and Dvorak keyboards, an IME converts Latin text to the appropriate non-Latin script |
| 06:20.51 | Conan_Kudo | without changing the keyboard layout as programmed by the OS |
| 06:20.53 | _marv | sure...is that usually provided by the operating system? |
| 06:20.56 | _marv | ok |
| 06:21.06 | Conan_Kudo | generally, if you use Linux, yes |
| 06:21.09 | Conan_Kudo | same for Mac |
| 06:21.21 | Conan_Kudo | Windows likes to screw you over by making you pay to have those features |
| 06:21.28 | _marv | hmm |
| 06:21.40 | _marv | yeha I just changed the keyboard region and started typing |
| 06:22.35 | x58 | Conan_Kudo: not true. In Windows XP you can install Chinese character support, or any other language support and it will provide a way to do IME based input. The IME based input in Windows is much better than what I have available on the Mac, at least last I played with it. |
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| 06:22.57 | Conan_Kudo | it's there in Windows XP? |
| 06:23.02 | Conan_Kudo | I didn't know that |
| 06:23.11 | Conan_Kudo | it wasn't there when I got my Vista computer |
| 06:23.19 | Conan_Kudo | it only showed up once I installed Office |
| 06:23.21 | x58 | It has been vastly improved in Vista and 7 where it is standard. |
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| 06:23.46 | x58 | No more need to install the chinese language pack just to get the chinese characterset andwhatnot. |
| 06:23.56 | Conan_Kudo | because the fonts are installed by default |
| 06:24.00 | Conan_Kudo | thank god for that |
| 06:24.08 | Conan_Kudo | though Indic fonts are STILL not installed by default |
| 06:24.57 | x58 | Yes, the fonts are installed by default, and so is the IME input. Whereas in XP that was not the case. |
| 06:26.09 | Conan_Kudo | The only languages I know are Spanish and English |
| 06:26.28 | Conan_Kudo | and yet, I like to mess with the Unicode ã |
| 06:26.57 | Conan_Kudo | and since I'm such a huge anime fan, its only natural that I choose Japanese scripts ã |
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| 06:28.32 | Conan_Kudo | I'd like to learn Japanese |
| 06:28.44 | Conan_Kudo | but the Chinese character thing is rather daunting |
| 06:28.53 | Conan_Kudo | learning kanji will be a painful process |
| 06:29.24 | Dark_Shikari | notes that "learning japanese because of anime" usually turns out badly |
| 06:29.41 | Conan_Kudo | that's not the only reason |
| 06:29.48 | _marv | jst mostly |
| 06:29.48 | Dark_Shikari | Though fortunately, most people who go through with it learn somewhere in the process of all the things that come out of japan that are much cooler than anime. |
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| 06:30.16 | Conan_Kudo | Japan is an awesome place |
| 06:30.30 | Conan_Kudo | it's on my list of places to go before I die |
| 06:30.49 | Conan_Kudo | but, sounding like an idiot is not something I really want to do |
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| 06:31.19 | Dark_Shikari | make sure that you go during a comiket |
| 06:31.19 | _marv | don't pass up an opportunity to go there just because you don't know the language |
| 06:31.33 | Catfish_Man | Conan_Kudo: meh, I'm sure I sounded remarkably dumb in Germany |
| 06:31.36 | Catfish_Man | still had a great time |
| 06:31.41 | _marv | don't let your self-conciousness cheat you out of experience |
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| 06:31.50 | Dark_Shikari | in japan you'd _really_ want a friend who speaks the language though |
| 06:32.02 | Dark_Shikari | ____really____ |
| 06:32.07 | Conan_Kudo | in Germany, at least the signs are still all in Latin text |
| 06:32.11 | Dark_Shikari | it's not just that |
| 06:32.14 | Conan_Kudo | in Japan: the best hope is Katakana |
| 06:32.20 | Conan_Kudo | at least, that's what I've heard |
| 06:32.21 | Dark_Shikari | in japan, most people speak english, but nobody will speak english with _you_ |
| 06:32.31 | Conan_Kudo | figures |
| 06:32.33 | Dark_Shikari | they only know it academically and are afraid of speaking it for fear of sounding stupid |
| 06:32.41 | Conan_Kudo | makes sense |
| 06:32.43 | Dark_Shikari | And the reason they only know it academically is because they are afraid of... |
| 06:32.50 | Dark_Shikari | viscious cycle |
| 06:32.57 | Catfish_Man | whereas in Germany, they find American accents sexy for some reason, so want to speak English a lot |
| 06:32.59 | Catfish_Man | this confused me greatly |
| 06:33.02 | Conan_Kudo | hahaha |
| 06:33.10 | Dark_Shikari | Catfish_Man: and by comparison, we find german/austrian accents sexy |
| 06:33.16 | Conan_Kudo | which explains the Detective Conan german version so much |
| 06:33.18 | Dark_Shikari | lol |
| 06:33.34 | _marv | Catfish_Man: biritish or american? which did the find sexy? |
| 06:33.43 | _marv | or either |
| 06:33.43 | _marv | ? |
| 06:33.44 | Catfish_Man | _marv: American. British sounds like English class to them |
| 06:33.44 | Conan_Kudo | probably British |
| 06:33.47 | Conan_Kudo | O.o |
| 06:33.51 | Conan_Kudo | that's a surprise |
| 06:33.59 | Conan_Kudo | then again, maybe not |
| 06:34.02 | _marv | we sound like cowboys |
| 06:34.05 | Catfish_Man | not if you think about it. American accent == movies. British accent == class. |
| 06:34.06 | Conan_Kudo | Exotic is key |
| 06:34.18 | Catfish_Man | it makes sense, it just surprised me when they explained it |
| 06:34.26 | _marv | hey, i'm watching the news and the Japanese invented a washing machine for dogs |
| 06:34.44 | Conan_Kudo | and then there's the weird stuff that comes out of Japan |
| 06:35.08 | _marv | "only being used in Japan"....yeah, cuzx it's a terrible idea |
| 06:35.18 | _marv | like killing whales |
| 06:35.20 | _marv | and such |
| 06:35.22 | Conan_Kudo | but hey, they are one of the few countries in the world that don't have to maintain a standing military |
| 06:35.29 | Conan_Kudo | they can afford to make crazy things |
| 06:35.34 | _marv | i'm not sure that's true |
| 06:35.34 | Catfish_Man | s/don't have to/have to not |
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| 06:35.39 | t3rm1n4l | hi |
| 06:35.47 | Catfish_Man | hi t3rm1n4l |
| 06:36.01 | Conan_Kudo | ... well, they CAN'T maintain a standing military |
| 06:36.01 | _marv | with CHina, korea, vietnam that close? A standing capitalistic society? |
| 06:36.05 | t3rm1n4l | is there any restriction in participating for gsoc third time ? |
| 06:36.07 | _marv | i bet they have a military |
| 06:36.21 | Conan_Kudo | they have the strongest "National Guard" in the world |
| 06:36.22 | Catfish_Man | t3rm1n4l: nope |
| 06:36.29 | t3rm1n4l | cool :) |
| 06:36.30 | Catfish_Man | Conan_Kudo: heh, point |
| 06:36.35 | Dark_Shikari | Conan_Kudo: "offensive" military |
| 06:36.55 | Conan_Kudo | which is usually referred to as a "standing" military |
| 06:37.04 | Conan_Kudo | as opposed to a "sitting" one |
| 06:37.59 | Dark_Shikari | lol |
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| 06:38.28 | Conan_Kudo | sitting is usually seen as "defensive," so meh |
| 06:39.11 | Conan_Kudo | if I remember right, people fought tooth and nail to have a strong defensive military |
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| 06:39.35 | Conan_Kudo | because it is easy to switch from defensive to offensive |
| 06:39.52 | Conan_Kudo | and nobody wants another thing like Hiroshima and Nagasaki brought down on them |
| 06:39.58 | Conan_Kudo | though I doubt it would ever happen again |
| 06:40.18 | Conan_Kudo | those two bombs pretty much killed the practical use of them in the future |
| 06:40.24 | Conan_Kudo | too much bad, not enough good |
| 06:40.37 | _marv | besides ending the Pacific theater? |
| 06:40.51 | _marv | not that I'm a fan of nukes |
| 06:40.56 | Conan_Kudo | _marv: it caused a whole new strain of cancers |
| 06:41.06 | _marv | yes |
| 06:41.19 | Catfish_Man | if we're going to get into a ww2 history competition here I'm bowing out for a while :P |
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| 06:41.48 | _marv | ok wwII discussion @ |
| 06:41.53 | Conan_Kudo | >.< |
| 06:41.57 | Conan_Kudo | no WII discussion |
| 06:42.07 | Conan_Kudo | WII stays there in 1940s |
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| 06:42.39 | Catfish_Man | is out of his depth on it |
| 06:42.47 | _marv | fair enough |
| 06:42.55 | Conan_Kudo | only knows so much because of AP tests |
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| 06:44.00 | Conan_Kudo | anyway, as far as I know, only railway stations MIGHT have signs in Romaji |
| 06:44.11 | Dark_Shikari | nope. you're screwed |
| 06:44.17 | Dark_Shikari | the tokyo subway system is a great way to get 100% lost |
| 06:44.24 | _marv | ramoji? |
| 06:44.27 | Conan_Kudo | of course it is ... *sigh* |
| 06:44.28 | _marv | romaji? |
| 06:44.42 | Conan_Kudo | Romaji, writing Japanese with Latin character |
| 06:44.49 | Conan_Kudo | not very common in Japan |
| 06:44.55 | _marv | oh, so at least half way there |
| 06:45.04 | Conan_Kudo | but common in China, oddly enough |
| 06:45.17 | _marv | didn't they adopt the latin alphabet in vietnam? |
| 06:45.19 | Conan_Kudo | their pinyin system is supposedly 2:1 |
| 06:45.21 | Conan_Kudo | yeah |
| 06:45.34 | Conan_Kudo | and Korea ditched Han for Hangul |
| 06:45.45 | _marv | same deal im guessing? |
| 06:46.10 | _marv | native language in latin tranliteration? |
| 06:46.15 | Conan_Kudo | Hangul is a bit different, more structured and makes logical sense compared to Chinese Han characters |
| 06:46.22 | Conan_Kudo | it doesn't use Latin script, no |
| 06:46.48 | _marv | but it's korean |
| 06:46.56 | _marv | with chinese chars? |
| 06:47.06 | Conan_Kudo | CJK all originally used Chinese writing |
| 06:47.12 | Conan_Kudo | J&K diverged from that |
| 06:47.26 | Conan_Kudo | in the 1400s, the King of Korea developed Hangul |
| 06:47.41 | Conan_Kudo | I think some time in the 1200s, Japan got Kana |
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| 06:47.59 | Conan_Kudo | Hangul is an interesting script |
| 06:48.26 | Conan_Kudo | less complicated to write compared to Chinese characters |
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| 06:49.10 | Conan_Kudo | íê¸ |
| 06:49.16 | Lunixed | hehe |
| 06:49.25 | _marv | i dont get it |
| 06:49.31 | Conan_Kudo | still complicated, but less than Chinese ones |
| 06:49.56 | _marv | did you actually say something there? |
| 06:50.18 | Lunixed | try un google translate : |
| 06:50.21 | Lunixed | in* |
| 06:50.39 | Lunixed | means hangul |
| 06:50.42 | Conan_Kudo | same word in Chinese (Trad.): éèª |
| 06:51.03 | Conan_Kudo | same word in Chinese (Simp.): é©è¯ |
| 06:51.33 | Conan_Kudo | and Japanese just use the word in the form of Katakana |
| 06:51.37 | Conan_Kudo | apparently |
| 06:51.44 | Conan_Kudo | probably not |
| 06:51.51 | Conan_Kudo | since it does have Chinese characters |
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| 06:52.25 | Conan_Kudo | CJK are all "box" shaped as you can see |
| 06:52.46 | Conan_Kudo | the characters are composed of a multitude of strokes |
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| 06:54.13 | Conan_Kudo | maybe in 500 years, Japan will come up with a way to remove Chinese characters from their system |
| 06:54.18 | Conan_Kudo | who knows |
| 06:54.21 | Unhammer | had to increase the font twice to see the individual strokes |
| 06:54.36 | Conan_Kudo | at least you aren't trying to read Hindi |
| 06:54.58 | Conan_Kudo | Devanagari (Hindi) of the same word: हà¤à¤à¥à¤² |
| 06:55.02 | Unhammer | actually I think devanagari's pretty |
| 06:55.11 | Conan_Kudo | on a computer, sometimes it sucks to read |
| 06:55.19 | Conan_Kudo | the glyphs are unusually small |
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| 06:55.35 | Unhammer | yes and my irc client for some reason won't display all devanagari characters, no idea why |
| 06:55.37 | Conan_Kudo | it is read left to right, but sometimes is written right to left |
| 06:55.42 | LawnGnome | I had quite a lot of trouble with Georgian when I was in Georgia. There aren't that many distinct characters, but it all just looked like curvy loopy stuff to me. :) |
| 06:56.04 | Unhammer | well, georgian characters are easy compared to devanagari etc. |
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| 06:56.19 | Unhammer | at least there's a relatively 1-1 relationship between sounds and characters |
| 06:56.24 | Conan_Kudo | I've heard that the vowel order for Japanese comes from studying Devanagari |
| 06:56.30 | Unhammer | and you don't have that composition stuff going on... |
| 06:56.53 | LawnGnome | It's funny, though, because Georgian just eluded me completely (albeit I wasn't there very long), whereas I was able to pick up a basic set of Simplified Chinese characters quite quickly. |
| 06:56.58 | Conan_Kudo | Indic languages have some of the most complete relationships between sounds and characters |
| 06:57.12 | LawnGnome | shrugs. Interactions between writing systems and brains are weird. |
| 06:57.25 | Unhammer | LawnGnome: maybe you've been raised in an environment devoid of curly shapes? |
| 06:57.41 | Conan_Kudo | the only sound not accurately represented in Indic languages is the sound for the English letter "v" |
| 06:57.43 | Unhammer | ( http://jn.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/41/4/896 ) |
| 06:57.50 | aghisla | :o |
| 06:58.11 | Conan_Kudo | the sound comes from German, the German letter "w" I think |
| 06:58.21 | LawnGnome | Unhammer: Quite possibly. |
| 06:58.24 | Unhammer | heheh |
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| 06:59.15 | Conan_Kudo | and I haven't heard the sound exist in any other languages besides English and German |
| 06:59.34 | Conan_Kudo | somehow that sound turns into "wh" |
| 06:59.58 | aghisla | there is in italian and french as well |
| 07:00.16 | aghisla | s/there is/it's present/ |
| 07:00.16 | Conan_Kudo | slaps himself |
| 07:00.21 | Conan_Kudo | it's in Spanish too |
| 07:00.23 | LawnGnome | Russian, too. |
| 07:00.40 | Conan_Kudo | I don't know Russian, barely even heard it |
| 07:00.41 | Conan_Kudo | so meh |
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| 07:01.26 | Conan_Kudo | so it seems Asia doesn't have the sound :P |
| 07:02.03 | aghisla | the nice thing i read about once, is that children before learning their mother language they can pronounce almost all sounds |
| 07:02.12 | Conan_Kudo | true |
| 07:02.18 | aghisla | then they focus on the ones of their mother language |
| 07:02.27 | Conan_Kudo | I got the nice benefit of learning Telugu before age 4 |
| 07:02.46 | Conan_Kudo | then rapid shift to English |
| 07:02.51 | Unhammer | Norwegian has a softer v than english v, and no w (so we typically say "and wice wersa" ) |
| 07:02.53 | Conan_Kudo | as a result, English is my dominant language |
| 07:02.59 | aghisla | :o |
| 07:03.14 | Conan_Kudo | but I can accurately pronounce most languages after I've heard it |
| 07:03.24 | aghisla | cool |
| 07:03.40 | Conan_Kudo | the only ones I can't do are Welsh and Egyptian |
| 07:03.44 | aghisla | wishes to learn a non-European language |
| 07:03.50 | LawnGnome | That would be useful. I had to work annoyingly hard to be able to pronounce kh properly as a native English speaker. |
| 07:03.50 | Conan_Kudo | way too weird in speech construction |
| 07:04.06 | LawnGnome | Conan_Kudo: Eh, I'm not convinced Welsh isn't a practical joke that's being played on English people anyway. |
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| 07:04.13 | aghisla | you mean ancient Egyptian? |
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| 07:04.16 | Conan_Kudo | yes |
| 07:04.27 | Conan_Kudo | Arabic, I can somewhat pronounce |
| 07:04.47 | Unhammer | tried georgian consonant clusters? ;) |
| 07:04.47 | zubin71 | cool... |
| 07:04.52 | Conan_Kudo | haven't heard a whole sentence of it, so I don't have an image of the pronunciation in my head |
| 07:05.01 | Conan_Kudo | never heard georgian at all |
| 07:05.24 | LawnGnome | Unhammer: They're entertaining. My first crack at Mtskheta had a Georgian woman quite literally in tears laughing at me. |
| 07:05.43 | Conan_Kudo | ugh |
| 07:05.52 | Conan_Kudo | it feels like trying to pronounce Welsh all over again |
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| 07:06.37 | Conan_Kudo | I like to annoy people with accents though :P |
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| 07:07.21 | Conan_Kudo | After watching a Doctor Who marathon of of Third, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Doctors, I picked up the ability to speak with a Aussie-ish accent |
| 07:07.22 | aghisla | i like how french people pronounce english |
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| 07:08.03 | Conan_Kudo | and then.. with Detective Conan... |
| 07:08.20 | Conan_Kudo | If I really try, I can sorta speak like Hattori Heiji |
| 07:08.25 | Conan_Kudo | but it hurts to speak like that |
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| 07:09.12 | Conan_Kudo | and I'm not very good at it either |
| 07:09.31 | Conan_Kudo | it got slightly easier when I heard Heiji speak English though |
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| 07:09.56 | Conan_Kudo | it's sort of pathetic that Conan can't speak decent English when his parents live in America and visit Hawaii so often |
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| 07:10.06 | skbohra_ | !timeline |
| 07:10.06 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 07:10.13 | Conan_Kudo | and yet Heiji, who afaik has never left the country, can speak damn near perfect English |
| 07:10.22 | Conan_Kudo | he only screws up a little bit when stating questions |
| 07:10.29 | skbohra_ | so the socinfo doesnt like pm :-/ |
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| 07:12.32 | Conan_Kudo | I used to have a decent French accent from when I learned French in the fourth and fifth grade |
| 07:12.45 | Conan_Kudo | but now... I can't do it :'( |
| 07:13.16 | skbohra_ | 1 day 35 mins to go --> http://bit.ly/gsoc2010 |
| 07:18.55 | Lunixed_ | 1 day 11 hrs it is :) |
| 07:20.01 | skbohra_ | heh, 07pm utc ? |
| 07:20.41 | skbohra_ | weird |
| 07:20.48 | skbohra_ | something fishy with the counter |
| 07:21.03 | Lunixed_ | No , your counter shows as 1 day 11 hrs. . |
| 07:21.08 | Lunixed_ | its 35 hrs :) |
| 07:21.51 | skbohra_ | oh right :-D |
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| 10:52.35 | amstan | hey guys, i have a question, i have applied to google as a summer intern, i haven't got a response back yet |
| 10:52.56 | amstan | in case i do not get a job, will i still be able to participate and apply for GSOC? |
| 10:53.27 | amstan | if this is not the place to ask, could i get a link to a better place or something? |
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| 10:54.58 | mlankhorst | why wouldn't you be able to? :p |
| 10:56.29 | MatthewWilkes | Google employees are not allowed to take part. If you don't get hired you're not an employee. |
| 10:58.13 | amstan | ok, great |
| 10:58.21 | amstan | well.. not that i don't want to get hired, but you know |
| 10:58.39 | amstan | so, what kind of projects will there be available? what did they have in previous years? |
| 10:59.09 | mlankhorst | erm, point your search engine to summer of code 2009? |
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| 11:08.52 | Waren | yo |
| 11:27.43 | kai | !orgs |
| 11:27.44 | socinfo | "orgs" is 367 orgs applied for GSoC 2010. List of accepted orgs to be published March 18 ~19:00 UTC. In the meantime, check the list of orgs from 2009: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 11:27.59 | kai | amstan: ^^^ |
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| 11:48.49 | mlankhorst | VDVsx: shouldn't that cloak be changed? ;) |
| 11:49.18 | VDVsx | mlankhorst, what's the problem ? :) |
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| 11:49.40 | mlankhorst | maego? :p |
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| 11:50.17 | mlankhorst | er meego* |
| 11:50.44 | loufoque_ | meego as in nokia + intel ? |
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| 11:51.31 | VDVsx | mlankhorst, nop, I was elected by the Maemo community, that would be unfair :p, and meego is still "very new" |
| 11:51.47 | mlankhorst | ah |
| 11:52.08 | VDVsx | loufoque_, + LF + others |
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| 13:12.47 | carrick | Is GSoC primarily for supporting already established open source projects or supporting new ones? |
| 13:13.46 | Ivanovic | only for established projects |
| 13:14.07 | Ivanovic | the matter is that google needs some kind of "trust" that the org won't disolve during SoC or something like this |
| 13:14.28 | Ivanovic | with established projects there is more of a community behind it and the devs have already proven that they are "around" |
| 13:15.48 | carrick | That makes sense. I will try to find other avenues of supporting a new project. Thank you. |
| 13:15.50 | Ivanovic | carrick: that is only those organizations will be accepted as mentor orgs |
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| 13:16.04 | Ivanovic | though umbrellas might accept project ideas from "really new" projects |
| 13:16.06 | Bamieater | carrick: where are you based? |
| 13:16.12 | carrick | Earlham College |
| 13:16.26 | Ivanovic | so if the project is eg a gnu project you could have it run under the gnu umbrella if they accpet it |
| 13:16.44 | Bamieater | carrick: ment the country, because there a loads of local possibilities in support |
| 13:17.15 | carrick | So, finding an established mentor organization for a new project fits within the scope of this program? |
| 13:17.21 | carrick | United States |
| 13:17.25 | Ivanovic | carrick: sure |
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| 13:18.19 | Ivanovic | the matter is that google chooses the orgs and assigns slots to orgs (depending on how many slots the orgs ask for, how many student applications the org gets and what they think the org can manage) |
| 13:18.50 | Ivanovic | the orgs on their hand are responsible for selecting the student proposals that they receive and assign mentors to those that they want to accept |
| 13:19.19 | carrick | Based on what I'm I'm looking at, I could ping gnuplot, php, gnu, NVIDIA, or any organization interested in HPC. |
| 13:19.42 | Ivanovic | this way even rather new orgs can get in if they a) fit under some other org (like eg kde, gnome, gnu, python foundation, ...) and b) the umbrella org accepts them |
| 13:20.02 | Ivanovic | nvidia is unlikely to participate in SoC themselves! |
| 13:20.49 | MatthewWilkes | hehe, nvidia of tainted kernel fame |
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| 13:21.10 | Ivanovic | nvidia is not known for their open source friendlyness |
| 13:21.32 | Ivanovic | that is not providing specs, only providing and obfuscated open source driver that only can 2d, ... |
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| 13:22.32 | carrick | So, my first step is to 1) See if any orgs of previous years might be interested in acting as mentors for my project (i.e. overlap project proposal somehow) 2) see if I can contact someone at an established open source project that would be willing to act as a mentor org (and gets accepted by umbrella org) |
| 13:22.34 | Ivanovic | not to forget that they replace basically the whole graphics stack in their proprietary driver (amd/ati try to use as much of it as possible, basically only replacing mesa) |
| 13:22.50 | ojwb | would suggest restriciting yourself to the ones for which you are really relevant |
| 13:23.03 | Ivanovic | carrick: yes, that is basically it |
| 13:23.17 | peppe | Ivanovic: the downside is that if you need good accelerated 3d, you have no other choices than nvidia :| |
| 13:23.39 | carrick | My area of interest is really GPGPU. |
| 13:23.42 | Ivanovic | peppe: there always is a choice |
| 13:23.58 | Ivanovic | peppe: the current choice is either participating in the mesa development or being patient |
| 13:24.07 | Ivanovic | and in fact fglrx is not too bad |
| 13:24.31 | Ivanovic | as long as you use a "supported distribution" or are able to make sure that the kernel and xorg-server are not too new |
| 13:24.55 | Ivanovic | carrick: so what exactly is your idea? |
| 13:25.06 | Ivanovic | carrick: do you want to act as organization that does mentor some students |
| 13:25.27 | Ivanovic | or are you a student and do you want to work as this on a gpgpu related project? |
| 13:25.33 | carrick | I was thinking of being a student in this context. |
| 13:25.33 | peppe | Ivanovic: heh :) if you use 3d for work, you can't "wait" for fglrx to work with xorg 7.5 or a newer kernel or whatever :( |
| 13:25.38 | Ivanovic | the later being easy, there ware always some of those |
| 13:25.54 | Ivanovic | peppe: ehm, you could just use xorg server 1.6.x and be done |
| 13:26.08 | Ivanovic | that is: the latest released ubuntu version should always work for fglrx |
| 13:26.32 | Ivanovic | and if you use the machine for work purposes you tend to not run bleeding edge anyway |
| 13:26.51 | __gilles | is there a list of the organizations that applied ? |
| 13:27.05 | Ivanovic | __gilles: i don't think so |
| 13:27.25 | Ivanovic | __gilles: but in some 30 hours the list of accepted organizations is bpublished |
| 13:27.26 | __gilles | 'k |
| 13:28.10 | carrick | Project: explore different forms of parallelism (shared memory, distributed memory, GPGPU) over several different HPC resources. Collect run statistics into a database and visualize dynamically based on AJAX based user interface. |
| 13:29.13 | Ivanovic | you can't be the project admin/mentor *and* student at the same time anyway |
| 13:29.22 | carrick | Explore relationship between tightly-coupled and embarrassingly parallel algorithms on the different architectures along with strong and weak scaling. |
| 13:29.24 | Ivanovic | so you would need some organization that does mentor your idea |
| 13:29.38 | carrick | Makes sense. |
| 13:29.58 | carrick | It is the mentor organization that provides the project proposal, correct? |
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| 13:30.21 | Lunixed | 1 day, 5 hours, 30 minutes for results :) |
| 13:30.49 | Lunixed | from skbhora's timer http://bit.ly/gsoc2010 |
| 13:31.27 | ojwb | carrick: no, the student provides the proposal |
| 13:31.42 | Ivanovic | carrick: the student creates the proposal |
| 13:31.50 | ojwb | each mentoring org publishes a list of project ideas, but students are free to come up with their own |
| 13:32.00 | Ivanovic | though many students rely on the project ideas provided by the orgs and expand them to their liking |
| 13:32.00 | Lunixed | carrick, check faq :) |
| 13:32.09 | ojwb | but if it isn't appropriate for the org, it'll just go straight in the reject pile |
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| 13:32.25 | Lunixed | carrick, it is real helpful... my 99.99 % questions were answered |
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| 13:32.40 | ojwb | Lunixed: you must have had a lot of questions! |
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| 13:32.52 | Lunixed | err... when I started from scratch :P |
| 13:34.46 | carrick | Thank you all for answers that clarified my understanding of the FAQ. |
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| 14:21.13 | kai | hehe |
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| 14:26.23 | jdk2588 | is #systers only for Females :-) ??? |
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| 14:27.58 | danderson | don't know, don't care, and offtopic |
| 14:28.34 | peppe | "the definitive answer" |
| 14:29.01 | edsiper | :) |
| 14:29.18 | jdk2588 | danderson: I am asking it seriously |
| 14:30.01 | borja | jdk2588: #systers would be a better place to ask that question |
| 14:30.45 | danderson | jdk2588: and I am answering seriously. |
| 14:33.02 | kai | jdk2588: we're not the freenode IRC helpdesk |
| 14:34.16 | jdk2588 | ok guys thanks for ur suggestions |
| 14:34.24 | jdk2588 | :) |
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| 15:21.28 | kimelto | morning! |
| 15:22.14 | Conan_Kudo | ¡Mañana! |
| 15:23.43 | edsiper | buenos dias |
| 15:23.44 | edsiper | :) |
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| 15:34.11 | jasonzheng | :) |
| 15:34.16 | jasonzheng | hi, guys |
| 15:34.36 | meanburrito920_ | sup |
| 15:34.59 | jasonzheng | sleeping soon..nite, guys |
| 15:35.18 | meanburrito920_ | hm, what time zone? I just got up a few hours ago |
| 15:35.42 | jasonzheng | +8, singapore :) |
| 15:35.55 | jasonzheng | midnight here lol |
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| 15:36.25 | meanburrito920_ | bed at midnight? thats what I call dedication |
| 15:36.40 | Gangadhar | well its time for my dinner... 21:06 |
| 15:37.15 | meanburrito920_ | so are you guys applying as students? |
| 15:37.24 | Gangadhar | yes.. |
| 15:37.27 | jasonzheng | yup |
| 15:37.41 | jasonzheng | what about you? |
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| 15:39.19 | meanburrito920_ | yeah, I'm not sure what I'm going to apply for though. I was thinking I would do something with haskell.org, but my grasp of haskell isn't at the point where I would be very productive |
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| 15:39.58 | meanburrito920_ | I'm gonna look through the proposals when they are announced tomorrow and see what looks interesting |
| 15:40.11 | meanburrito920_ | do you guys know what you are going to work on yet? |
| 15:40.39 | FlyingFlo | hi, i am trying to get kind of overview |
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| 15:40.59 | FlyingFlo | but its such a lot to look at :) |
| 15:41.14 | Gangadhar | <FlyingFlo> Overview of what?? GSoC |
| 15:41.38 | FlyingFlo | Of the projects and ideas out there |
| 15:42.23 | meanburrito920_ | FlyingFlo: the list of organizations will be posted tomorrow on the gsoc site. You can check it out then. |
| 15:42.48 | meanburrito920_ | before that, if you are interested in any specific project, join their irc channel and talk to them about it :) |
| 15:44.01 | FlyingFlo | and lots of orgs have idea lists somewhere in there wikis .. |
| 15:44.20 | meanburrito920_ | yep |
| 15:45.23 | meanburrito920_ | this is also a useful link: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009 |
| 15:46.24 | Gangadhar | If u are passionate at any computer science concepts and willing to work on it.... this is the place for u... all the stage is getting ready... |
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| 15:47.39 | FlyingFlo | Another thing: When are the summer holydays in the US? Google's timetable starts the coding period at end of may. Do you already have holydays then? |
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| 15:48.47 | borja | FlyingFlo: some universities do |
| 15:49.26 | borja | Those on a semester system are typically done by mid-may. Those on a quarter system are typically done later (early June or so) |
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| 15:52.23 | FlyingFlo | ok, for me here in Austria, the semester ends with end of june. That means we lots of exams and submissions in that month. That makes full-time gsoc-programming difficult in that month.. |
| 15:52.52 | borja | FlyingFlo: Some mentors are willing to accomodate these types of schedules, but you need to make them aware of this in your application. |
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| 15:53.39 | Sylvestre | Most of the mentors will agree... It is part of the deal. |
| 15:54.18 | Sylvestre | Mentors usually disagree on a non full time commitment |
| 15:57.16 | FlyingFlo | Sylvestre: of course one should work full-time. |
| 15:57.30 | meanburrito920_ | Would it be possible to take a week off in august? |
| 15:58.19 | FlyingFlo | In fact holydays last till beginning of october! |
| 15:58.19 | Sylvestre | FlyingFlo, we had students on the past who were doing other things (training periods, work, etc) |
| 15:58.46 | Sylvestre | meanburrito920_, you have to deal with your mentor but it should not be a problem as long as you say it from the start |
| 15:59.13 | FlyingFlo | Sylvestre, are you a mentor? |
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| 16:00.07 | Sylvestre | I was last year and maybe this year if we get selected again |
| 16:00.56 | FlyingFlo | may I ask which org? |
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| 16:03.37 | dividebyzero | Hi Room! |
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| 16:04.20 | dividebyzero | Excited for the announcement tomorrow :-) Hoping there are some Hardware Projects - Maybe Arduino? |
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| 16:04.58 | Sylvestre | FlyingFlo, Scilab |
| 16:06.09 | xzilla | dividebyzero: arduino seems to be getting a lot of buzz lately |
| 16:07.07 | dividebyzero | xzilla: Yeah it sure is i've seen some concurrency running on it :-) |
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| 16:09.08 | GHF | :) |
| 16:09.14 | meanburrito920_ | I like this Scilab proposal: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_project/show/google/gsoc2009/scilab/t124024803289 |
| 16:09.39 | Sylvestre | it is not a proposal |
| 16:09.40 | meanburrito920_ | ah, but its 2009 :( |
| 16:09.49 | meanburrito920_ | yeah, i see that now |
| 16:09.50 | Sylvestre | yes, and I has been implemented and integrated |
| 16:09.58 | Sylvestre | Here is the list of ideas: http://wiki.scilab.org/Ideas_of_development_for_Scilab |
| 16:10.01 | dividebyzero | xzilla: More on Arduino Concurrency here http://www.concurrency.cc |
| 16:10.15 | Sylvestre | There are very stuffs |
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| 16:11.01 | meanburrito920_ | Sylvestre: when it says C/C++, does it mean both, or either? I like working in C, but C++ not so much. |
| 16:12.02 | Sylvestre | it depends... If the project is to link against a C++ lib, well, you need to do C++ |
| 16:12.12 | meanburrito920_ | :( |
| 16:12.18 | Sylvestre | if it is an implementation, you can use the one you want |
| 16:12.18 | meanburrito920_ | ah well, some things can't be helped |
| 16:12.27 | Sylvestre | we are pretty agnostic here |
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| 16:13.26 | meanburrito920_ | Sylvestre: for a project mostly written in C/C++, there seems to be an awful lot of java library dependencies that aptitude is pulling down |
| 16:13.50 | Sylvestre | the GUI has been implemented in Java |
| 16:14.09 | Sylvestre | and the Java world prefers to create small libraries |
| 16:14.16 | Sylvestre | this explains why there are a lot libraries |
| 16:14.23 | meanburrito920_ | ah |
| 16:14.36 | Tronic | C/C++ generally means badly written C++ :P |
| 16:15.06 | meanburrito920_ | So does scilab want students to have a working knowledge of the scilab language in order to work on the project? |
| 16:15.25 | Sylvestre | Tronic, or that the development of software started at a time where C++ didn't exist ;) |
| 16:15.35 | Tronic | Sylvestre: The same thing. |
| 16:15.54 | Sylvestre | meanburrito920_, it depends the feature |
| 16:15.55 | Tronic | (or rather, that would cause it to be bad C++) |
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| 16:16.30 | dividebyzero | TIme |
| 16:16.33 | dividebyzero | Time |
| 16:16.41 | dividebyzero | #Time |
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| 16:17.15 | Sylvestre | meanburrito920_, (about the java deps), for example, the Debian Java team handles more that 450 packages |
| 16:17.29 | meanburrito920_ | ah, ok |
| 16:18.09 | GHF | hold up, the arduino project is doing gsoc? |
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| 16:20.07 | MatthewWilkes | GHF: No. No projects have been announced yet. You find you tomorrow at 1900 UTC |
| 16:21.00 | meanburrito920_ | Sylvestre: hm. I'm messing around with scilab right now, and it doesnt seem as though the ceiling function is defined, although floor is. |
| 16:21.23 | meanburrito920_ | urg, gotta go |
| 16:21.39 | Sylvestre | it is normal :) |
| 16:22.34 | peppe | this waiting is draining our souls better than shang tsung |
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| 16:22.50 | Sylvestre | hmm, it is available (help ceil) |
| 16:24.51 | FlyingFlo | Does google select orgs or projects until tomorrow? |
| 16:25.12 | danderson | !next |
| 16:25.12 | socinfo | "next" is March 18th ~19:00 UTC: List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2010 site. |
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| 16:27.05 | FlyingFlo | thx, so ideas are still free and subject to the students proposals |
| 16:27.31 | Sylvestre | and they will be for a while |
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| 17:21.50 | cbmuser | Hi, can I ask whether there are any results regarding the accepted organizations yet? |
| 17:22.15 | micahcowan | cbmuser, that's tomorrow. |
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| 17:23.11 | cbmuser | micahcowan: were just thinking about rumors ;) |
| 17:24.11 | micahcowan | cbmuser, I don't think there are ever reliable rumors on that, beyond what everyone knows from the start: that organizations that were accepted previously stand a decent chance of being accepted again |
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| 17:26.53 | cbmuser | micahcowan: ok, thanks! |
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| 17:37.08 | Conan_Kudo | people from Google are tight lipped about it |
| 17:37.23 | Conan_Kudo | and those from the orgs haven't received their accepted/denied letters yet |
| 17:37.54 | Lunixed | 1 day left :) |
| 17:38.20 | Conan_Kudo | is anticipating it greatly |
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| 17:40.24 | borja | heh, I was just about to send a message asking to kill the thread on "the site works fine from $MY_LOCATION" |
| 17:40.27 | borja | Leslie beat me to the punch |
| 17:41.22 | micahcowan | Leslie, slayer of threads |
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| 18:46.47 | ihaveworms | Hello |
| 18:46.53 | Conan_Kudo | yo |
| 18:47.05 | mlankhorst | worms, awesome game |
| 18:47.11 | ihaveworms | I have a question about signing up for this program |
| 18:47.33 | Conan_Kudo | is it about orgs? |
| 18:47.40 | ihaveworms | I was told about gsoc by a instructor so I have check it out. However, I am confused on how you go about signing up for a project. |
| 18:47.53 | ihaveworms | Will projects be listed and search for them and sign up for them? |
| 18:47.56 | Conan_Kudo | yes |
| 18:48.18 | ihaveworms | Will the project describe what needs to be done? From the FAQ, it almost sounded like you are to suggest what needs to be done. |
| 18:48.21 | Conan_Kudo | or you can apply for a project idea you come up with to an org |
| 18:48.24 | Conan_Kudo | yeah |
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| 18:48.40 | edsiper | ihaveworms, http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 18:49.11 | ihaveworms | So should I start hunting down open source projects and say "hey, you need this. Go sign up for an account on GSOC so I can work for you" |
| 18:49.49 | ihaveworms | Yeah that is what I was reading, siper. |
| 18:49.53 | edsiper | ihaveworms, tomorrow you will have a list of organizations and ideas posted by each one, so you can apply for some organization and some ideas (also you can propose your own ideas) |
| 18:50.37 | edsiper | ihaveworms, try to check the 2009 page, so you can have an idea about the organizations and others.. |
| 18:50.47 | ihaveworms | Ok |
| 18:51.24 | ihaveworms | Is there some sort of test I will need to take to be qualified to sign up different organizations? |
| 18:51.32 | ihaveworms | up for* |
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| 18:51.52 | schumaml | that's up to the organizations |
| 18:52.12 | schumaml | it should be mentioned in their project descriptions |
| 18:52.24 | ihaveworms | Oh, so there isn't a simple exam put in place by google to get a pool of applicants that can sign up? |
| 18:52.29 | Jeff_S | nope |
| 18:52.45 | ihaveworms | Ok. |
| 18:53.45 | ihaveworms | Now I also read about talking with an organization listed to apply. Is that the general practice? To go contact an organization and talk with them about their project and suggest ideas and then apply? |
| 18:54.09 | kpreid | ihaveworms: yes |
| 18:54.16 | Jeff_S | ihaveworms: speaking as a past mentor/admin -- yes, speaking with the organization prior to submitting your proposal will help a lot |
| 18:54.33 | kpreid | the org publishes a list of ideas; but *you* have to take one of those sketchy ideas, or your own, and flesh it out into a proposal |
| 18:54.34 | Jeff_S | ihaveworms: most orgs I know are very willing to discuss your ideas with you |
| 18:54.47 | kpreid | the proposal contains a more specific description of what work you will perform |
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| 18:57.32 | ihaveworms | And so I should look at this list of organizations published tommorrow and research them a bit to possibly come up with ideas how to add to their project? Just wanting to understand that it is primarily up to the applicant to come up with the ideas for the project. |
| 18:57.58 | kpreid | the org *will* have an *IDEA* listr |
| 18:58.03 | schumaml | some orgs may have detailed dscriptions |
| 18:58.04 | kpreid | but an idea is not a complete proposal |
| 18:58.10 | schumaml | some may have sketches |
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| 18:59.14 | ihaveworms | i see |
| 18:59.45 | sfb | ihaveworms: http://dev.ryzom.com/projects/nel/wiki/GSoc2010Ideas for example |
| 19:00.00 | sfb | ihaveworms: And you're not necessarily limited to what is on the idea list. |
| 19:00.13 | sfb | ihaveworms: http://dev.ryzom.com/projects/nel/wiki/GSoC2010WritingProposals |
| 19:00.20 | mlankhorst | the best proposals usually come from the student :) |
| 19:00.26 | sfb | ihaveworms: That's how we expect that a student would write their proposal. Much more involved than the idea. (= |
| 19:00.53 | sfb | mlankhorst: I agree, it'll be something they'll be more interested in and motivated to complete. |
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| 19:02.05 | ihaveworms | Alright |
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| 19:02.59 | ihaveworms | sfb, those projects seem a bit more advanced than my skill level, but i hope I can find something I can do. I am currently in school for computer science and am looking for something I can handle. |
| 19:03.10 | ihaveworms | But I understand how it works and thanks for all the help. |
| 19:03.28 | ihaveworms | And thanks to everyone else who was giving me info. |
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| 19:04.26 | ihaveworms | I will probably be back later, I am tethered to my phone right now because my university blocks the ports to connect to IRC and I don't want to burn up all my bandwidth. |
| 19:04.36 | ihaveworms | Cya |
| 19:06.07 | Dark_Shikari | everyone doing soc is in school for computer science >_> |
| 19:06.26 | borja | Not necessarily; there are a lot of students who are not CS majors |
| 19:06.36 | borja | One of our best students last year (in Globus) was a Physics student |
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| 19:07.54 | ihaveworms | this is strange...I disconnected from my phone and yet I am still connected. |
| 19:08.11 | pygi | ajuonline, you are so late |
| 19:08.25 | Dark_Shikari | borja: ok, true |
| 19:08.29 | Dark_Shikari | the poitn being, none are in a "better" position |
| 19:08.35 | Dark_Shikari | they're ALL students, by definition |
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| 19:09.07 | schumaml | borja: CS majors don't necessarily learn how to code, Physics majors usually do (for simulations) ;) |
| 19:09.08 | borja | Dark_Shikari: exactly, although being passionate about coding is a must |
| 19:09.48 | borja | schumaml: true |
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| 19:14.03 | Raks437 | apart from coding does the knowledge about any technology is also required ?? |
| 19:14.50 | borja | Raks437: that will depend on the mentoring organization |
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| 19:16.56 | micahcowan | and even on the particular project. |
| 19:17.03 | codestr0m | impatiently waits |
| 19:17.18 | borja | !patience |
| 19:17.19 | socinfo | "patience" is very important in GSoC. Check !next and the !timeline and go code something useful. |
| 19:17.39 | micahcowan | Still got nearly 24 hours, long time to just idly wait :) |
| 19:17.45 | dockside | !next |
| 19:17.46 | socinfo | "next" is March 18th ~19:00 UTC: List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2010 site. |
| 19:18.10 | codestr0m | socinfo- should give a countdown.. that would really drive the clock watchers crazy :) |
| 19:18.38 | Raks437 | so that means no place for beginners to learn ??becoz mentoring orgs will select the best obviously??? |
| 19:19.25 | edsiper | !countdown |
| 19:19.25 | socinfo | "countdown" is http://tinyurl.com/ReportCountdown |
| 19:19.40 | borja | Raks437: Not necessarily. While some mentors might expect students with a specific background, some mentors are happy to take on complete beginners. |
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| 19:20.06 | edsiper | !next |
| 19:20.07 | socinfo | "next" is March 18th ~19:00 UTC: List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2010 site. |
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| 19:20.45 | dockside | yes, the goal is not to atain free code, it is to bring coders into open source development |
| 19:21.15 | borja | GSoC is as much about learning as it is about writing code |
| 19:21.15 | edsiper | http://tinyurl.com/yk33p9e |
| 19:21.22 | micahcowan | Raks437, some organizations (or even sub-projects) approach GSoC specifically from a "how can I help students learn about the wonders of Free and Open Source Software?" perspective, while others approach it from more "how can we attract skilled students to work on our project needs?" perspective. |
| 19:21.31 | micahcowan | (But I guess I got beat to the punch) |
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| 19:21.54 | borja | "micahcowan, beatee of punches" |
| 19:21.56 | Bamieater | I think that's very important indeed |
| 19:22.31 | Bamieater | the goal of loads of projects I do with students is to introduce them to new things |
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| 19:47.24 | Raks437 | I hope get to learn a lot even if am not a part of GSOC this time.... |
| 19:51.20 | Raks437 | bye all |
| 19:51.31 | Raks437 | see yui nex time |
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| 20:47.17 | ivantis | how old do you have to be to get in summer of code? |
| 20:47.43 | smtms | ivantis, read the answer in the FAQ on the website |
| 20:49.03 | edsiper | ivantis, >= 18 iirc |
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| 20:50.18 | ivantis | :( |
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| 20:50.34 | edsiper | Ivanovic, how old are you ? |
| 20:50.40 | edsiper | ups |
| 20:50.46 | edsiper | Ivanovic, how old are you ? |
| 20:50.50 | edsiper | ahhhhhhhhhh |
| 20:50.50 | smtms | ups |
| 20:50.57 | edsiper | ivantis, how old are you |
| 20:51.02 | edsiper | Ivanovic, sorry! |
| 20:51.07 | ivantis | 15 |
| 20:51.23 | Catfish_Man | hands edsiper the Fail Award for today |
| 20:51.25 | edsiper | ivantis, are you in highschool ? |
| 20:51.31 | smtms | was that the age of the youngest mentor? |
| 20:51.31 | edsiper | Catfish_Man, thanks! |
| 20:52.09 | thebolt | you have to be >= 18 to be a student int he program.. the age of the mentor can be whatever |
| 20:52.28 | xnox | ivantis: you can do Highly Open Participation if it happens this year. |
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| 20:52.35 | dhaun | smtms: 13 - http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/03/drupalcon-dc.html |
| 20:52.40 | thiago_home | the mentor can be younger than the student |
| 20:52.49 | thiago_home | the problem for the student is that it's a work contract with Google |
| 20:52.55 | thiago_home | and Google isn't allowed to hire minors |
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| 20:53.44 | ivantis | yeah I am in highschool |
| 20:53.50 | edsiper | wow |
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| 20:55.34 | Ophiuchi | does the US generally make hiring minors illegal, or just difficult? (just curious) |
| 20:56.09 | Catfish_Man | difficult afaik |
| 20:56.14 | Catfish_Man | but I haven't looked into the details |
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| 20:57.38 | dhaun | ISTR that Leslie said something along the lines of: GHOP is officially a contest since it's difficult to hire minors |
| 20:58.53 | ivantis | I work at my age anyway |
| 21:00.06 | ivantis | Why isn't google just in charge of the government anyway? |
| 21:00.31 | kblin | ivantis: gouvernments are expensive, so that's not in the best interest of google's shareholders |
| 21:00.41 | xnox | ivantis: I did too. But it's hard for google to track ~1000 students from various countries as it is without additional burden on making sure work environment is minor-safe. Plus minors would have to do smaller projects in time requirements. |
| 21:01.50 | ivantis | Whats highly open participation? |
| 21:01.50 | kblin | ivantis: however, I'd be surprised if there was no gsoc 2013, so better get started soon ;) |
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| 21:02.27 | edsiper | ivantis, it's a program for high school students |
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| 21:03.09 | kblin | ivantis: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=ghop&l=1 |
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| 21:03.17 | kblin | :) |
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| 21:09.12 | xnox | kblin: loved lmgtfy =)))) Awesome |
| 21:10.32 | kblin | in my opinion, "being able to use google search" is a basic requirement to be accepted for GSoC :) |
| 21:11.27 | Ophiuchi | searching is easy, finding requires talent ;P |
| 21:11.54 | kblin | it's first hit. can't be too well-hidden |
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| 21:28.37 | TheUni | kblin: ok, we're ready for review now :) |
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| 21:47.58 | xnox | When will the number of students allocated per organisation announced? Together with organisation announcement? |
| 21:48.22 | smtms | xnox, much later |
| 21:48.37 | Conan_Kudo | with the kuro no soshiki watching.... |
| 21:48.41 | Conan_Kudo | O.o |
| 21:48.44 | xnox | smtms: at student announcement? =) |
| 21:48.46 | Conan_Kudo | oops, wrong channel |
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| 21:49.06 | xnox | ok I get it =) Google wants to see projects as well ;-) |
| 21:49.27 | smtms | xnox, Google wants to allocate slots based on student interest |
| 21:49.45 | xnox | =) hmm Ok |
| 21:49.47 | smtms | xnox, so 100 students applying for org X will bring it 5 times the slots of 20 students applyint to org Y |
| 21:50.10 | scorche | not necessarily |
| 21:50.40 | borja | xnox: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 21:50.44 | borja | From last year |
| 21:51.05 | xnox | Arrr So I need to polish my application then. Cause I think there will be a flood of students after org publication. And while Ubuntu stated they have applied they are gonna get a flood of students I think =/ |
| 21:51.25 | xnox | Are there stats of amount of applications per organisation from past years? |
| 21:51.29 | xnox | thax for the link |
| 21:52.10 | smtms | xnox, good applications get in, the others are out; stats don't help |
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| 21:54.28 | mlankhorst | aye |
| 21:54.28 | mlankhorst | when i was admin for wine 2 years ago, we could have had 3 more student if we wanted to, but the applies sucked :) |
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| 21:55.35 | xnox | mlankhorst: really =) wow. Well we, students, do like slacking off =) |
| 21:56.12 | xnox | Wine is great =) but I will not be able to do project for wine. I haven't done any windows related development ever |
| 21:57.09 | mlankhorst | haha neither have I before I started with wine |
| 21:57.39 | xnox | really? =) |
| 21:57.48 | xnox | Hmm maybe I should look at applying for wine |
| 21:59.42 | xnox | mlankhorst: cygwin under wine -> recursion ? |
| 22:00.11 | mlankhorst | sure :P |
| 22:00.26 | mlankhorst | though I would do something more fun to be honest |
| 22:00.42 | mlankhorst | get $FEATURE from $YOURFAVORITEWINAPP working in wine or something |
| 22:01.26 | spectre | xnox, |
| 22:01.29 | xnox | return 0; No $WINAPPS found |
| 22:01.32 | xnox | ;-) |
| 22:01.53 | spectre | xnox, around 80% of the students we accepted got in touch with us before the orgs were announced |
| 22:02.00 | xnox | only use wine for testing and poker ;-) |
| 22:02.07 | xnox | spectre: which org are you mentoring? |
| 22:02.16 | spectre | xnox, apertium |
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| 22:02.55 | spectre | xnox, http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Ideas_for_Google_Summer_of_Code |
| 22:02.59 | edsiper | countdown: http://tinyurl.com/yk33p9e |
| 22:03.07 | spectre | xnox, our ideas page if you're even slightly interested in MT ;) |
| 22:03.21 | edsiper | xnox, http://www.monkey-project.com/GSoC2010 |
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| 22:04.25 | mlankhorst | shrug, I got working on wine because I wanted sound to work in vice city without it locking up ;p |
| 22:04.31 | xnox | spectre: wow =) really nicely done ideas page |
| 22:04.35 | spectre | xnox, thanks |
| 22:04.42 | spectre | we've spent a lot of time on it |
| 22:04.47 | smtms | does Wine have future? |
| 22:05.27 | xnox | smtms: Of course it does ;-) ! |
| 22:05.45 | domonoky | Wine gets better when it gets older :-) |
| 22:05.58 | spectre | haha! |
| 22:06.11 | Catfish_Man | the opposite of bit rot |
| 22:06.11 | smtms | yeah, old versions of wine are better than new - they run more apps |
| 22:07.36 | edsiper | smtms, that happens with windows too |
| 22:07.41 | edsiper | :D |
| 22:08.07 | mlankhorst | well, wine runs better than a newer windows on some apps :p |
| 22:09.34 | edsiper | that's right |
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| 22:17.31 | xnox | I wonder why Apple never participated. They have webkit, macports, launchd and a few other cool opensource projects |
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| 22:18.23 | Catfish_Man | xnox: webkit participated one year |
| 22:18.45 | xnox | Catfish_Man: Thanks. Missed that =) |
| 22:18.56 | Catfish_Man | libdispatch would be an interesting one perhaps |
| 22:19.03 | Catfish_Man | I guess the main project available there is "port to xyz OS" |
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| 22:20.29 | mlankhorst | why would apple participate with google's event though? they could just organize their own.. |
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| 22:21.07 | Catfish_Man | mlankhorst: why not? It's cheaper, and takes advantage of all the PR Google's built up |
| 22:21.07 | Conan_Kudo | why would Apple do such an event? |
| 22:21.23 | Kosma | I think the answer is: they don't need to pay their *fans* ;-) |
| 22:21.32 | Catfish_Man | Conan_Kudo: eh, I could see it. There's a lot of open source stuff we use and contribute to |
| 22:21.35 | smtms | Apple is not an open-source project |
| 22:21.40 | Catfish_Man | smtms: neither is google |
| 22:21.48 | Catfish_Man | but really, participating in gsoc is easier and likely works better |
| 22:21.53 | Kosma | plus, Google has PR, while Apple has cease and desist letters |
| 22:22.08 | mlankhorst | and nda's :P |
| 22:22.08 | smtms | Catfish_Man, Google doesn't participate in GSoC as an open-source project |
| 22:22.23 | mlankhorst | though google has them too |
| 22:22.38 | Catfish_Man | has signed several google NDAs for being on their campus :P |
| 22:22.43 | Catfish_Man | smtms: ah, answering the earlier question. Fair enough :) |
| 22:22.46 | mlankhorst | you don't have to |
| 22:23.07 | Catfish_Man | mlankhorst: yeah? the impression I got was you can't go into most areas without one |
| 22:23.46 | mlankhorst | just hit escape instead of signing :p |
| 22:24.01 | mlankhorst | it'll still print out a badge |
| 22:24.03 | xnox | Well apple is mostly BSD based. And they do maintain Webkit, CUPS, launchd, and a few other things. So they defiantly contribute open-source. |
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| 22:24.46 | Catfish_Man | xnox: the impression I've gotten internally is that there's a large contingent of people who "don't get it", and a large group who do |
| 22:24.55 | Catfish_Man | which is why the public-facing appearance is totally inconsistent |
| 22:24.59 | smtms | xnox, if any of these open-source projects has a viable community, they can apply to participate |
| 22:25.38 | xnox | Catfish_Man: what do you mean about "internally"? You work for apple? =) |
| 22:25.41 | Catfish_Man | yeah |
| 22:26.13 | smtms | what a surprise! |
| 22:26.18 | xnox | is jumping around the room shouting "I've met Apple employee" |
| 22:26.24 | Catfish_Man | facepalms |
| 22:26.28 | Dark_Shikari | it's not really a big deal |
| 22:26.29 | Catfish_Man | I'm just another programmer |
| 22:26.33 | mlankhorst | well, even just seeing how they act that much became clear.. |
| 22:26.35 | Dark_Shikari | I worked for facebook |
| 22:26.36 | Dark_Shikari | big deal |
| 22:27.03 | Dark_Shikari | it's not really anything special |
| 22:27.03 | Catfish_Man | Dark_Shikari: yeah? All the facebook employees I've met other than you are cultists as far as I can tell |
| 22:27.05 | Catfish_Man | it's a bit creepy |
| 22:27.08 | Dark_Shikari | cultists? |
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| 22:27.16 | xnox | Wow awesome Catfish_Man =) One day I wish to work for Apple, Canonical or Google (in alphabetical order) |
| 22:27.18 | Catfish_Man | obsessed with facebook |
| 22:27.24 | Dark_Shikari | I never even used facebook while I worked there |
| 22:27.27 | Catfish_Man | heh |
| 22:27.34 | Catfish_Man | glad to see it's not *that* infectious then |
| 22:27.34 | Dark_Shikari | I still don't |
| 22:27.38 | xnox | Dark_Shikari: what about Dogfood ? =) |
| 22:27.58 | Dark_Shikari | I dunno, the people there seemed to be less facebook-obsessed than your average teenager |
| 22:28.10 | xnox | Catfish_Man: I wish apple was more open-source but I guess they are stricking the balance they are aiming for. |
| 22:28.15 | smtms | Dark_Shikari, it's true that Facebook isn't anything special :-P |
| 22:28.25 | Dark_Shikari | smtms: well they're only the most popular website in the world |
| 22:28.29 | Dark_Shikari | Going by pageviews, at least. |
| 22:28.38 | Catfish_Man | that actually does qualify as pretty special |
| 22:28.44 | smtms | Dark_Shikari, and making the most money? |
| 22:28.53 | Dark_Shikari | smtms: nobody on the internet actually makes money |
| 22:28.56 | Dark_Shikari | it's all a big pyramid scheme ;) |
| 22:28.59 | thebolt | :P |
| 22:29.12 | schumaml | "views" or "hits"? |
| 22:29.13 | Catfish_Man | nah it's tubes |
| 22:29.14 | mlankhorst | is a big believer of 'explain it by incompetence' |
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| 22:29.27 | Dark_Shikari | schumaml: not sure, I just recall seeing an article a bit back that facebook had surpassed google by a significant margin |
| 22:29.37 | Dark_Shikari | and since google is very close to msn/yahoo, that would put them ahead of everyone |
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| 22:29.52 | Dark_Shikari | but it's not really surprising |
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| 22:29.58 | Dark_Shikari | people who use facebook use it more than people who use google use google. |
| 22:30.24 | xnox | facebook = silly addicting flashgames. If you sum all silly flash games traffic it would surpass facebook ;-) |
| 22:30.34 | Dark_Shikari | inb4 farmville |
| 22:30.47 | schumaml | facebook = great tool for authorities ;) |
| 22:31.02 | Dark_Shikari | well it's the same as myspace, livejournal, etc in that regard |
| 22:31.06 | Dark_Shikari | a great place to find sluts acting like sluts |
| 22:31.16 | Dark_Shikari | and posting slutty images of them being sluts with their slut friends. |
| 22:32.09 | xnox | Dark_Shikari: Let's keep the discussion on-topic of our offtopic. And please keep it polite without rude words. |
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| 22:32.24 | Dark_Shikari | er, but that's quite relevant |
| 22:32.33 | Dark_Shikari | the whole point being that most of those sites serve as great places for people to be idiots |
| 22:32.44 | Dark_Shikari | and everyone else to watch them be idiots. |
| 22:32.45 | Catfish_Man | xnox has a point. We're trying to be inclusive here, so keep it at least vaguely PGish perhaps |
| 22:33.14 | Catfish_Man | I am pleased facebook finally got their xmpp support working |
| 22:33.21 | Catfish_Man | took 'em a while, but it's a nice step |
| 22:33.36 | xnox | Althought I can't login to facebook XMPP couple past days =/ |
| 22:35.39 | mlankhorst | woei |
| 22:38.34 | Kosma | Catfish_Man: it's still practically useless without S2S |
| 22:38.56 | Catfish_Man | Kosma: hey, saves Adium a ton of maintenance headache and buggy code |
| 22:40.30 | Kosma | yeah, it's not entirely useless |
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