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| 07:03.21 | Lunixed | mentoring orgs applicatiopn starts in 1.5 hour ? |
| 07:07.15 | kblin | hm? |
| 07:07.56 | kblin | how did you get to the 1.5h mark? |
| 07:12.30 | Lunixed | 19:00 UTC |
| 07:13.26 | LawnGnome | It's currently 07:14 UTC, so no, it's a little further away than tat. |
| 07:13.28 | LawnGnome | That, even. |
| 07:13.57 | Lunixed | 12 hrs I think |
| 07:14.26 | Lunixed | 19 :00 UTC |
| 07:15.06 | kblin | !when |
| 07:15.06 | socinfo | "when" is later |
| 07:15.08 | kblin | :) |
| 07:15.14 | Lunixed | :D |
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| 08:24.57 | sonne_ | err, what is the link to apply for a mentoring organization? I've looked through the pages FAQ - but cannot find anything... |
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| 08:32.50 | creek23 | sonne_:i think, they still have to post the exact link |
| 08:32.52 | blast007 | sonne_: as per the timeline, that isn't possible until 19:00 UTC (it's 9:32 UTC right now) |
| 08:33.03 | sonne_ | ahh right |
| 08:33.16 | sonne_ | OK thanks... I will try tomorrow then... |
| 08:33.59 | ojwb | it's going to be a long 10 hours... |
| 08:34.17 | creek23 | heh. :P |
| 08:34.25 | creek23 | ojwb: what time is it in there? |
| 08:34.38 | ojwb | 9:34 pm here |
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| 08:35.24 | ojwb | hmm, so it's not 9:xx UTC, it'x 8:xx |
| 08:43.01 | _Samo | is there a place I can read other organisations applications? |
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| 08:59.44 | creek23 | _Samo: google. |
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| 09:01.36 | ojwb | _Samo: assuming it is as last year, they aren't automatically made public |
| 09:01.59 | ojwb | but some org admins will probably choose to post their applications publicly as well |
| 09:02.03 | creek23 | ojwb: some are: |
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| 09:02.21 | _Samo | I came across a document that was the organisation application document |
| 09:02.54 | creek23 | a lot had put them on their wikis |
| 09:02.59 | creek23 | gdb |
| 09:03.04 | creek23 | maemo |
| 09:03.05 | creek23 | etc.. |
| 09:04.35 | _Samo | ok thanks |
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| 13:15.01 | skbohra | Good Evening (GMT +5:30) |
| 13:15.39 | thebolt | afternoon |
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| 13:19.17 | creek23 | 9:20pm here -- good eve |
| 13:20.49 | creek23 | cant help but ask, is mentor organization application open now? |
| 13:21.44 | skbohra | !timeline |
| 13:21.44 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 13:21.48 | skbohra | creek23: ^ |
| 13:22.01 | skbohra | must be in a few hours |
| 13:22.30 | Waren | yo |
| 13:23.30 | sfb | Good morning everyone. |
| 13:23.37 | sfb | skbohra: 12PM PST |
| 13:23.45 | skbohra | sfb: good morning |
| 13:23.55 | sfb | So like 6.5 hours |
| 13:24.33 | ihalip_ | !next |
| 13:24.33 | socinfo | "next" is Mentoring organizations can submit their applications for GSoC2010 on March 8th, see http://bit.ly/9hFpcb |
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| 13:26.11 | kblin | hi folks |
| 13:26.25 | sfb | Hello Kai |
| 13:26.33 | sfb | http://finnrudolph.de/JavaScriptObject |
| 13:26.39 | sfb | You should use that in Wombat. (= |
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| 13:27.39 | kblin | cool stuff :) |
| 13:27.43 | kblin | bookmarks |
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| 13:28.24 | sfb | Might be a good SoC idea. Write a "transcoder" for something like Cal3D or Blender, extract out 1 SS for a preview and keep the others for this. (; |
| 13:28.58 | lut4rp | lolwot, someone put NCSA Mosaic on github :D http://github.com/alandipert/ncsa-mosaic |
| 13:29.32 | kblin | well, a good gsoc idea would be to do the same thing and publish it under a free license |
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| 13:30.50 | kblin | sfb: btw: http://wiki.worldforge.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code#Preview_for_3D_assets |
| 13:31.20 | sfb | Nice. (= |
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| 13:34.47 | sfb | kblin: Would you mind giving me some advice on my application for this year? |
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| 13:38.01 | kblin | sfb: sure, happy to |
| 13:39.50 | sfb | I'd just like another applicant to tell me if anything odd pops out or if I left anything out.. |
| 13:40.18 | sfb | http://dev.ryzom.com/projects/nel/wiki/GSoC2010Application |
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| 13:43.03 | ganja | Hi , which projects hve mst code in C |
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| 13:43.12 | ganja | mst of code in c ? |
| 13:43.13 | ihalip_ | !orgsbylang |
| 13:43.14 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
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| 13:46.00 | kblin | sfb: looking |
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| 13:55.43 | kblin | sfb: there's a typo in the first paragraph of "Disappearing Students" |
| 13:56.23 | kblin | "is something the NeL communities has suffered" should probably be "is something the NeL community has suffered" |
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| 13:57.57 | kblin | sfb: other than that, things look pretty good |
| 13:58.17 | kblin | sfb: you might want to ask for a non-internet method of contacting your student, though |
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| 13:58.50 | sfb | Thanks! |
| 13:58.52 | sfb | I appreciate it. |
| 13:59.09 | sfb | Did you find that necessary? A non-internet method? |
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| 14:02.09 | kblin | sfb: well, we had a student who completely dropped off the net last year |
| 14:02.54 | kblin | it's no good having IM, email and IRC contacts of a student if his computer died |
| 14:05.00 | sfb | How does a student with a dead computer and no Internet work on their project? |
| 14:05.06 | sfb | I suppose I should consider this though. |
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| 14:07.11 | kblin | well, it's just a thing that |
| 14:07.14 | kblin | 's nice to know |
| 14:08.01 | kblin | did the student stop to work/report in because he's a lazy bastard or because something else happened |
| 14:08.55 | sfb | No, it's a really good idea. I'm glad you mentioned it. |
| 14:09.41 | kblin | I didn't think I'd need that when we applied last year |
| 14:09.54 | kblin | and I was glad google asked for the phone number |
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| 14:10.31 | kblin | they don't give it to you, but if you're asking really nice, they might call a student for you |
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| 14:11.27 | kblin | but you can save yourself the embarrassment and ellen and lh the work if you just ask for a phone# yourself |
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| 14:16.38 | soumyak | Hey All |
| 14:16.59 | soumyak | I am doing my MS in Computer Sc from Sweden , MDH university |
| 14:17.54 | soumyak | my term will be ending this June 2010, and I am recruited by a company to work from July 2010, am I eligible to apply for gsoc ??? |
| 14:18.18 | soumyak | can anybody help one the above q ^^^^ |
| 14:19.29 | kblin | in theory, yes |
| 14:19.45 | kblin | however, take a look at the timeline |
| 14:19.49 | kblin | !timeline |
| 14:19.49 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 14:22.32 | kblin | in my experience you'll have to have the time to work on gsoc |
| 14:22.43 | skbohra | running a irc bot on shared host is not a good idea , right ? |
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| 14:23.43 | sfb | skbohra: Depends on who you share your host with and how secure your home directory is and how much you trust whomever has root/sudo access. (= |
| 14:25.00 | Ivanovic | soumyak: if you apply for GSoC you should keep in mind that it is basically a full time job |
| 14:25.26 | Ivanovic | soumyak: you have to know if you can invest the time (yeah, about 40h a week) into the project during the given timeline |
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| 14:27.49 | soumyak | thanks Ivanovic , kblin for answering the doubts , Investing time is a important factor I was just asking whether my eligibility gets barred in above case or not |
| 14:28.19 | Ivanovic | you are eligible if you are a student as of 26th april |
| 14:28.28 | soumyak | 40hrs a week probably I can do, then I should go for it :) |
| 14:28.29 | Ivanovic | even if you graduate on 27th you are eligible |
| 14:28.48 | soumyak | ok thanks Ivanovic i wanted to know exactly this :) |
| 14:29.02 | dockside | you are expected to work about 40h per week for 3~months and it is up to you how you plan that time, right? |
| 14:29.21 | kblin | dockside: depends a bit on your mentoring org |
| 14:29.23 | Ivanovic | dockside: you should talk about the plans with your mentor |
| 14:29.26 | soumyak | yup absolutely right dockside |
| 14:29.37 | Ivanovic | dockside: that is: if you plan to do all the work after mid term: won't work |
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| 14:30.04 | ganja | Hi , Please Advice :- I am good at C but found that majority of project idead(specificaly of umit) were to be develpoed in python , (some with wrapper in pyhton ) . Should i jump into such projects ?? Please provide me more links if any on C based Projects |
| 14:30.09 | Ivanovic | (since you have to be judged at mid term to get the 2nd part of payment, if you have no code you can just fail there) |
| 14:30.11 | ojwb | if you have a job from July, you really won't have time for that and your gsoc project |
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| 14:30.22 | dockside | ofc, as i live in sweden im not gonna work during american daytime, that would be an issue |
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| 14:30.48 | Ivanovic | dockside: we are talking open source here, not "when you work on things" |
| 14:31.07 | Ivanovic | dockside: and our experience is that a student who has basically two fulltime jobs will fail SoC |
| 14:31.09 | thebolt | dockside: quite a big bunch of both students and mentors are outside US ;) |
| 14:31.15 | dockside | i was affraid there was some wierd scheduel thing in this |
| 14:31.26 | mak89k | dockside: as long as your doing wat is required for the project... when u do it shld not be a problem |
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| 14:31.33 | dockside | sounds good |
| 14:31.38 | Ivanovic | no, the basic question is: do the work and agree with the mentor on a time when you talk |
| 14:31.48 | soumyak | ojwb, I guess initial days of job in month of July will not be much strainous and August end we have to submit gsoc deliverable, so may be i can manage 40 hrs/week |
| 14:31.51 | Ivanovic | often this can be in the evening for the mentor (due to a daytime job) |
| 14:32.11 | kblin | ganja: there's a couple of projects that are C-based |
| 14:32.35 | kblin | ganja: Samba and Wine are the two examples that I can think of immediately |
| 14:32.48 | ganja | Kblin: Can u give links ? specialy those which are based on Network Security |
| 14:32.50 | dockside | i wouldnt be able to work the first couple of days because i have big exams but i dont think that will be an issue |
| 14:32.53 | jermar | ganja: HelenOS will be applying this year, so if we are accepted, there will be several projects for programming in C; mostly system software |
| 14:32.54 | ganja | thnx kblin |
| 14:33.10 | zubin71 | earlier if a student were selected by more than one mentoring organization, he would be given the option to choose a mentoring organization, among them... Is it the same way right now? |
| 14:33.31 | kblin | ganja: of course as jermar said, it's not sure who'll get in this year as mentoring org :) |
| 14:33.45 | kblin | zubin71: it was never that way |
| 14:33.58 | ganja | jermar: I am currently working on Intrusion Detection System at my institute , want to continue work in this field |
| 14:34.19 | ojwb | soumyak: I've heard of a few students who have tried similar things, but I've not heard of one who passed yet |
| 14:34.36 | zubin71 | kblin : oh... my mistake... could you tell me how such a problem is resolved? just curious |
| 14:34.41 | ganja | kblin: ya thats true but thnx for advice |
| 14:34.50 | dockside | dont you get to apply for a fix number of projects and if you fit for it and is lucky you can get one of them= |
| 14:35.09 | dockside | ?* |
| 14:35.22 | jermar | ganja: IDS does not really look like a HelenOS project, but make sure to check our ideas list, should we be accepted |
| 14:35.43 | ojwb | zubin71: you may be asked, but it's down to the orgs, or if they really can't agree, google arbitrate |
| 14:35.49 | ojwb | but they really prefer not to |
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| 14:36.04 | ganja | jermar:ya , i will :) |
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| 14:36.11 | zubin71 | ojwb i see... thnkx! |
| 14:36.17 | ojwb | zubin71: the bottom line is don't apply for a project you wouldn't be happy doing |
| 14:36.30 | kblin | ojwb: couldn't have said that better |
| 14:36.46 | ganja | ojwb:thums up to comment |
| 14:36.48 | zubin71 | ojwb, kblin sure... |
| 14:37.08 | soumyak | ojwb, taken a note on your words will check the timeline and then decide upon again, thanks for guiding |
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| 14:47.29 | sudarshan | hey |
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| 15:49.18 | creek23 | any participants from Philippines? |
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| 15:54.29 | King_InuYasha | where do we actually submit our application for the GSoC 2010? |
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| 15:54.47 | skbohra | King_InuYasha: socghop.appspot.com |
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| 15:55.28 | King_InuYasha | I know that much |
| 15:55.35 | Ivanovic | have a look at the timeline |
| 15:55.37 | King_InuYasha | but I don't see a link to submit the application |
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| 15:55.40 | Ivanovic | still some hours till it opens |
| 15:55.48 | King_InuYasha | ahh ok |
| 15:55.54 | King_InuYasha | when is it supposed to open up? |
| 15:56.02 | Ivanovic | it starts at 12 PST / 7pm utc |
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| 15:56.15 | King_InuYasha | so 2PM CST? |
| 15:56.18 | Ivanovic | and this is just a *rough* estimate |
| 15:56.25 | Ivanovic | so add some hours just to be sure |
| 15:56.33 | Ivanovic | better: wait 24h and submit then |
| 15:56.49 | Ivanovic | you got several days for submitting and it is *not* on a "first come, first serve" basis |
| 15:56.49 | King_InuYasha | well, I'll be done with classes by 6pm today, so it should definitely be up by then |
| 15:56.56 | anth_x | no extra points for being the first applicant. :-) |
| 15:56.57 | King_InuYasha | Oh... I thought it was... |
| 15:57.17 | skbohra | org application you mean ? |
| 15:57.20 | King_InuYasha | yep |
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| 15:57.32 | anth_x | no. once the application period is over, Google evals them all and decides which fit GSoC best. |
| 15:57.32 | Ivanovic | no, after the application period the people from google open source labs will look through all applications and "rank" them |
| 15:57.38 | Ivanovic | the top X will be allowed in |
| 15:57.45 | __gilles | cool |
| 15:58.01 | __gilles | ive been going through the wiki looking for the application :-) |
| 15:58.03 | Ivanovic | (there are various points that get into the ranking) |
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| 15:58.10 | __gilles | application form |
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| 16:00.48 | King_InuYasha | thanks... ja ne! |
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| 16:05.40 | kblin | meh |
| 16:05.57 | kblin | my perl-fu sucks.. alot |
| 16:09.27 | lh | kblin: good time zone to you |
| 16:10.29 | kblin | hey lh |
| 16:10.43 | Ivanovic | hi lh |
| 16:10.54 | Ivanovic | yeah, time zones make *lots* of fun |
| 16:11.00 | lh | Ivanovic: good day |
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| 16:11.37 | Ivanovic | though students already asking right now where to find the form to submit their application for the job are IMO worse |
| 16:12.35 | lh | Ivanovic: it certainly is interesting isn't it? |
| 16:13.00 | Ivanovic | definitely |
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| 16:16.32 | kblin | Ivanovic: we have some of those every year |
| 16:16.45 | Ivanovic | there seem to be really many this year |
| 16:16.51 | Ivanovic | at least i see many of those |
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| 16:18.50 | Ivanovic | basically the reason for me to currently almost completely ignore the gsoc mailling lists |
| 16:19.13 | Ivanovic | that is, i just check if there is a newly started thread by one of the google people like lh to see if there is something of importance |
| 16:19.35 | Ivanovic | i hope the signal/noise ratio will improve again soon after the application period really starts |
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| 16:21.41 | lh | Ivanovic: i understand. and yes, it does get better later. |
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| 16:21.55 | Ivanovic | just like over the last two years |
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| 16:24.47 | danderson | pretends that he didn't just read this, so that he doesn't check the "gsoc" label |
| 16:25.04 | danderson | that may cause me to lose my calm and lash out at the clueless. |
| 16:25.12 | lh | danderson: don't do it. it's just some serious lazy, |
| 16:25.39 | danderson | sometimes I think there should be some sort of social moderation on the list |
| 16:25.57 | danderson | your post has to be approved by at least 3 other people with good standing to start a new thread |
| 16:26.45 | lh | danderson: rotflmao. so sadly i do moderate through clueless threads, if for no other reason than it shows mentors "this person lacked clue" |
| 16:26.48 | danderson | (that is, at least +3 after doing the balance of +1/-1 votes) |
| 16:26.57 | lh | either the behavior can be corrected or it's a warning sign |
| 16:27.02 | lh | up to the mentors |
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| 16:27.07 | danderson | true. |
| 16:27.30 | danderson | the despair of people reading the list is small potatoes compared to giving mentors useful data :) |
| 16:28.56 | danderson | oh good grief |
| 16:29.14 | danderson | the one quoting the announcement that applications open at 1900 UTC and asks what that is in india time |
| 16:29.15 | downeym | chuckles at lh |
| 16:29.33 | danderson | it's like the internet is this fancy waiter for them |
| 16:29.36 | danderson | I mean fer pete's sake |
| 16:30.23 | _Samo | lh, in point 7 it says # What criteria did you use to select these individuals as mentors? Please be as specific as possible. |
| 16:31.02 | _Samo | but afaik in any previous point a list of mentors is requested |
| 16:32.02 | lh | danderson: i dont have the heart to say use google |
| 16:32.11 | downeym | lh: Bing? :) |
| 16:32.15 | downeym | ducks |
| 16:32.20 | danderson | downeym: go to the back of the class |
| 16:32.24 | lh | _Samo: that's corrected in the application itself, if i can get to the faq this morning i will |
| 16:32.29 | lh | downeym: what's up? |
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| 16:32.41 | _Samo | ok thaks lh |
| 16:32.47 | _Samo | *thanks |
| 16:32.54 | danderson | lh: I'm just trying to figure out how I would answer without breaking down into a hysteric fit |
| 16:33.22 | downeym | So how "finalized" should the mentor list be when we submit our org's app? I have a feeling we would want to add a few more to our list, but haven't got final commitments from them yet. |
| 16:33.31 | lh | danderson: um, let me google that for you came to mind |
| 16:33.32 | danderson | so instead let me go back to code. Nice, logical, uncomplicated code that doesn't damage my brain with silly questions |
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| 16:34.03 | lh | downeym: we are not asking for a list of mentors this year, just how you chose them. a decent start is good. it is always nice to tell us who the mentors are when talking about hwo you chose them |
| 16:34.03 | danderson | lh: until lmgtfy can also deliver a smack about the head, I feel that it's an incomplete answer :) |
| 16:34.08 | lh | ok folks i need to update docs. :) |
| 16:34.13 | lh | danderson: fair enough |
| 16:34.14 | downeym | lh: Excellent, thanks |
| 16:34.15 | lh | concentrates |
| 16:34.22 | lh | downeym: np, good luck |
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| 16:46.42 | rafael-ec1 | where is the registration form for mentor organizations? |
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| 16:48.28 | pauloricardomg | rafael-ec1, applications are not open yet |
| 16:48.51 | pauloricardomg | it starts at 12 PST / 7pm utc |
| 16:50.16 | rafael-ec1 | pauloricardomg: thanks |
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| 16:51.00 | pauloricardomg | rafael-ec1, you don't need to hurry.. you have the whole week to apply as an organization |
| 16:52.52 | rafael-ec1 | pauloricardomg: I know, but I want to have an idea of how the application form would be |
| 16:54.19 | pauloricardomg | rafael-ec1, yeah, sure :) |
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| 16:54.31 | MatthewWilkes | rafael-ec1: It will be on the summer of code website, http://socghop.appspot.com/ |
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| 16:55.39 | rafael-ec1 | MatthewWilkes: thanks :). |
| 16:56.34 | Raim | rafael-ec1: the FAQ already has the questions you are going to be asked |
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| 16:57.30 | rafael-ec1 | does mentors need to be developers of the projects. Could they be people who give great support in the forums, mailing list, beta tests, etc... I mean they don't develop, but have a great knowledge of what our project is and what it should be in the future |
| 16:58.12 | Raim | a mentor should be able to help with the code in my opinion |
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| 16:58.58 | Raim | but there can always be co-mentors |
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| 17:04.49 | rafael-ec1 | Raim: in our project there are not many external developers as we wish. I believe GSOC would teach us a lot on how to solve this. So what I was thingking is that I can have several mentors that should guide students on stuff like voip, asterisk, etc... (our project is elastix.org). How PBX should work, etc... And our core developers could be general mentors that could give code support in the developers mailing list |
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| 17:05.03 | rafael-ec1 | after all the developers mailing list should be the main point for support |
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| 17:06.46 | Lunixed | err mm |
| 17:07.00 | MatthewWilkes | rafael-ec1: You pick how your mentors are assigned. As part of the application process you have to say what the process is. Google can then reject your application based on that policy |
| 17:07.21 | MatthewWilkes | If you do get accepted and those mentors turn out to be awful it will likely prejudice your applications in future years |
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| 17:10.09 | rafael-ec1 | MatthewWilkes: thanks a lot for the info. |
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| 17:26.35 | r4d10n | besides the list of questions, is there any application form for mentor organizations ? and where shud the application be submitted to ? |
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| 17:29.00 | creek23 | r4d10n: it will be on http://socghop.appspot.com/ |
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| 18:27.56 | VDVsx | Who will your mentors be? - is missing in the organization questions (faq) |
| 18:28.03 | VDVsx | but "What criteria did you use to select these individuals as mentors?" is there :D |
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| 18:32.31 | carldani | 28 minutes until org applications open. Yay! |
| 18:32.47 | Lunixed | \m/ .. gsoc events will be kicking off ;) |
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| 18:33.18 | schumaml | 28 mins? is the calendar off by one hour? |
| 18:33.54 | Lunixed | its 19 : 00 GMT right ? |
| 18:34.06 | Lunixed | now its 6: 33 GMT |
| 18:34.12 | Lunixed | PM* |
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| 18:35.24 | schumaml | my google calendar entry claims that it starts on 21:00 UTC+1 |
| 18:36.03 | carldani | 19:00 UTC is in 25 minutes unless I'm mistaken. |
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| 18:36.40 | Lunixed | yea :) |
| 18:36.46 | Lunixed | 25 mins more :) |
| 18:36.59 | Landon | uhoh, lh is here, things are about to get Official |
| 18:36.59 | Landon | :p |
| 18:37.06 | carldani | 23 minutes... |
| 18:37.19 | carldani | hi lh |
| 18:37.25 | lh | you are all fantastic. please to chill and feel the love. |
| 18:37.33 | ingepech | who's LH? |
| 18:37.38 | Lunixed | QOTD :P |
| 18:37.42 | ingepech | sorry, I'm new around... |
| 18:37.45 | schumaml | sets his time zone to utc |
| 18:37.48 | lh | serves cookies, tea, coffee, cakes, maybe a plate of olives and pickles, some cucumber sandwiches, apple and cheese plate |
| 18:37.50 | Lunixed | she is the program administrator |
| 18:37.55 | schumaml | the calendar claims 20:00 |
| 18:37.55 | ingepech | oh ok... |
| 18:37.56 | ingepech | nice... |
| 18:37.57 | lh | curtsies |
| 18:38.04 | lh | sits on free couch, chills |
| 18:38.06 | Lunixed | :D |
| 18:38.35 | ingepech | so has anyone of you have participated in GSoC before?? |
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| 18:38.49 | k|d | !timeline |
| 18:38.49 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 18:39.05 | Catfish_Man | ooh cheese plate |
| 18:39.27 | Catfish_Man | protip: Monk's Kettle in SF has the best cheese plate ever |
| 18:39.28 | carldani | schumaml: hm. the timeline FAQ says 19:00 UTC (20 minutes from now), but it also says 12:00 noon PDT (80 minutes from now AFAIK). I claim that UTC is the only true reference, but apparently some disagree. |
| 18:39.34 | Catfish_Man | although the hipster concentration is dangerously high |
| 18:39.44 | meonkeys | Hi all! Just getting ready to submit our app (#mifos). Have there been significant changes to the legalese since last year? |
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| 18:40.09 | meonkeys | lh: Hi Leslie! Hope all is rockin'. |
| 18:40.42 | schumaml | it isn't that much of a problem for the starts (but people will ask where the form is), but more so for the dceadlines ;) |
| 18:40.45 | schumaml | -c |
| 18:40.58 | lh | hey adam :) |
| 18:41.04 | lh | life is good. |
| 18:41.15 | lh | meonkeys: no major changes since last year, app questions are bit different. |
| 18:41.28 | meonkeys | cool, thanks. |
| 18:42.02 | carldani | schumaml: I fear lh has to settle that dispute ;-) |
| 18:42.26 | sfb | lh: How different are they this year? |
| 18:42.30 | lh | was not paying attention |
| 18:42.33 | lh | what dispute? |
| 18:42.41 | schumaml | lh: times in the google calendarare off by one hour |
| 18:42.50 | lh | sfb: minor changes, nothing that you are not prepped for if you got the data listed in the FAQ. like no asking for list of mentors. |
| 18:42.50 | schumaml | ... "calendar are" |
| 18:42.56 | sfb | lh: schumaml says the FAQ says 1900 UTC and the timeline says 1200 PDT |
| 18:43.04 | sfb | lh: Which is a difference of an hour. |
| 18:43.21 | lh | sfb: yeah, that's me and time zone conversion misery. it opens at 19:00 utc. if i had time to update the site now i would but i dont. |
| 18:43.31 | lh | an extra hour never killed anybody. |
| 18:43.34 | sfb | (= |
| 18:43.51 | sfb | lh: You're not asking for mentors in advance this year? |
| 18:43.56 | carldani | Heh, so very true. Unless it's an extra hour in death valley without water ;-) |
| 18:44.03 | sfb | Ot |
| 18:44.08 | MatthewWilkes | schumaml: 1900 UTC IS 1200 PDT |
| 18:44.10 | lh | carldani: that is true |
| 18:44.12 | sfb | It's a good thing I don't live in Death Valley. |
| 18:44.13 | MatthewWilkes | You're thinking of PST |
| 18:44.27 | lh | sfb: nope, but it is good to list as much info as possible in the how did you choose your mentors section |
| 18:44.39 | MatthewWilkes | It's not a good timezone to have as an example as we're not in daylight savings atm |
| 18:44.44 | lh | everyone, be patient. the system provides the application link as soon as the timer switches, which should be |
| 18:44.47 | lh | uses google |
| 18:44.50 | schumaml | sfb quoted me wrong |
| 18:44.52 | codestasher | here comes the time zone master @ matheweilkes |
| 18:44.53 | sfb | MatthewWilkes: Hah, but it's currently PST right now not PDT. (= |
| 18:45.00 | sfb | schumaml: So sorry. |
| 18:45.06 | VDVsx | lh, so "What criteria did you use to select these individuals as mentors?" in the FAQ doesn't make much sense IMO, should be only in the system perhaps |
| 18:45.19 | lh | ok 15 minutes |
| 18:45.25 | Lunixed | yay !!! |
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| 18:45.33 | MatthewWilkes | sfb: Yup :) The lesson is always submit ASAP, if there's a misunderstanding you won't get an extension |
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| 18:45.44 | lh | schumaml: that's an example question from the application. i do not understand. |
| 18:45.52 | lh | google will ask at least this in the application. |
| 18:45.57 | sfb | MatthewWilkes: We've been proofing and refining our application for a few weeks now. So hopefully I didn't miss anything. (; |
| 18:46.05 | MatthewWilkes | sfb: Good job! |
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| 18:46.37 | sfb | The effort in the application last year blind-sided me. I wasn't going to get caught again this year... |
| 18:47.30 | MatthewWilkes | No SRabbelier and Lennie atm, I wonder if they're nervous |
| 18:47.33 | schumaml | lh: ? |
| 18:47.56 | lh | schumaml: ? i don't understand your feedback. the FAQ is sample questions so folks get a preview of the application. |
| 18:48.13 | schumaml | I didn't write anything about the faq |
| 18:48.14 | MatthewWilkes | That was VDVsx, schumaml is having some bad luck with people quoting :) |
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| 18:48.34 | lh | okay, never mind, i am confused. i am going to focus on other stuff. like tweeting. |
| 18:48.40 | MatthewWilkes | Lennie: [18:47] <MatthewWilkes> No SRabbelier and Lennie atm, I wonder if they're nervous |
| 18:48.40 | Lennie | jo :) |
| 18:48.42 | MatthewWilkes | ;) |
| 18:48.51 | Lennie | hehe |
| 18:48.51 | Lennie | timing :) |
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| 18:49.09 | lh | goes to get coffee before the big moment |
| 18:49.11 | Lennie | I'm not nervous, if things break I just point at people and ask why they didn't help test up front :P |
| 18:49.21 | lh | ^5s lennie |
| 18:49.24 | Lennie | Or just laugh at random timeouts :D |
| 18:49.39 | Lennie | that's how life is at the moment :) |
| 18:49.51 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
| 18:49.57 | schumaml | the testing was almost annoyingly uneventful |
| 18:50.11 | MatthewWilkes | I dunno, there were some fun bugs found |
| 18:50.20 | Lennie | MatthewWilkes had some nice stuff yeah :P |
| 18:50.28 | MatthewWilkes | Lennie: I was thinking of Erant's, actually |
| 18:50.32 | Lennie | hehe |
| 18:50.44 | Lennie | Still looking for a good HTMLSanitizer L:( |
| 18:51.06 | MatthewWilkes | Yeah, good luck. |
| 18:51.21 | sfb | I LOVE the addition of CK Editor |
| 18:51.30 | sfb | Or whatever you're using for rich text editing. |
| 18:51.34 | Lennie | hmm |
| 18:51.36 | Lennie | TinyMCE? |
| 18:51.37 | MatthewWilkes | hehe |
| 18:51.39 | Lennie | roflmao |
| 18:51.42 | Lennie | you are one of the few then |
| 18:51.52 | Lennie | We will get rid of that eventuall |
| 18:51.52 | MatthewWilkes | I quite like it, personally |
| 18:51.56 | Lennie | it is the next big thing :P |
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| 18:52.08 | Lennie | We do want a rich text editior with WYSIWYG capabilities |
| 18:52.15 | Lennie | but not one that works on basis of HTML |
| 18:52.17 | Catfish_Man | man. I had to QA a hacked up version of TinyMCE |
| 18:52.25 | Lennie | that is just one big security fest :) |
| 18:52.35 | Catfish_Man | yeah. I hacked my boss's blog with it as an example ;) |
| 18:52.40 | lh | will give eternal gratitude to whoever changes the text editor |
| 18:52.40 | Catfish_Man | that got fixed fast |
| 18:52.52 | lh | spent all morning fighting with TinyMCE. Not fun. |
| 18:52.58 | Catfish_Man | anyway, time to get off the bus. Later folks |
| 18:53.39 | sfb | Lennie: I don't care how it works in the background. Just that it works. (; |
| 18:53.44 | sfb | <-- typical end user |
| 18:53.46 | lh | carols: welcome to the fray, my friend. |
| 18:53.53 | carols | lh: thanks :-) |
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| 18:55.27 | lh | refreshes the site, just like goodness only knows how many other people are at the same time |
| 18:56.02 | Lennie | hehe |
| 18:56.05 | sfb | hehe |
| 18:56.07 | Lennie | if you are smart you stop refreshing now :P |
| 18:56.13 | Lennie | and refresh at 20.00 |
| 18:56.16 | sfb | Waiting for socghop.appspot.com... |
| 18:56.17 | Lennie | to ensure you get a new sidebar :) |
| 18:56.22 | Lennie | and not a cached version :D |
| 18:56.57 | Lennie | anyhow the link should appear to everyone between 20.00 and 20.03 :) |
| 18:57.11 | lh | i set the timeline for 19:00 UTC, did you change it? |
| 18:57.14 | Lennie | no |
| 18:57.16 | lh | if you didn't we go live in like 3 minutes |
| 18:57.19 | Lennie | that's 20.00 my time :P |
| 18:57.19 | lh | there you go. |
| 18:57.27 | lh | ah. clarity. i like clarity. |
| 18:57.32 | Lennie | hehe |
| 18:57.35 | Lennie | don't blame me :D |
| 18:57.45 | Lennie | I noticed it being wrong on the google calendar :P |
| 18:57.49 | MatthewWilkes | or 3 hours later if the sidebar caching issue I got on melange-dev was a real thing and not just my browser screwing up :P |
| 18:57.51 | Lennie | compared to the website :P |
| 18:57.57 | Lennie | MatthewWilkes :D |
| 18:58.03 | lh | ROTFLMAO |
| 18:58.05 | Lennie | I can just give you the link :p |
| 18:58.08 | lh | nah |
| 18:58.12 | lh | this is more fun |
| 18:58.18 | Lunixed | 2 mins :) |
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| 18:58.28 | MatthewWilkes | lh: I bet "We said approximately!" would get REAL fun after an hour ;) |
| 18:58.38 | sfb | hahahah |
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| 18:59.06 | lh | that's why it says approximately. you never know where horkage is going to happen. in this case, EBKAC. |
| 18:59.18 | lh | Lennie: i am on the melange call, is everyone just shy today. talk people. |
| 18:59.26 | Lennie | what |
| 18:59.28 | Lennie | I'm not there :P |
| 18:59.37 | Lennie | did someone start the call? |
| 18:59.48 | lh | Lennie: i guess carol did |
| 18:59.57 | lh | s/carol/carols |
| 19:00.05 | Lennie | she better dial me in again then :p |
| 19:00.14 | lh | Lennie: perhaps you two could work that out. :) |
| 19:00.17 | lh | carols: ^^ |
| 19:00.33 | Lunixed | Ahh time . . . |
| 19:00.35 | lh | is busy hitting refresh like a GSoC newb on too much caffiene |
| 19:00.36 | MatthewWilkes | Looks like it works |
| 19:00.37 | lh | who also can't spell |
| 19:01.07 | MatthewWilkes | cheers the melange and ospo teams |
| 19:01.24 | lh | MatthewWilkes: you know, i hate to say this but i am refreshing and don't see a link. |
| 19:01.36 | sfb | huzzah! Thank you for the start of another yaer! |
| 19:01.52 | sfb | (fwiw I have the link.) |
| 19:01.55 | lh | sfb: yw. |
| 19:02.02 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Right at the bottom of the sidebar for me |
| 19:02.04 | Landon | if user.name != "lh": |
| 19:02.09 | Lunixed | \m/ |
| 19:02.16 | codestasher | cool |
| 19:02.18 | lh | scratches head, pokes site |
| 19:02.34 | rohananil | accidentally presses the red panic button |
| 19:02.40 | rohananil | oops |
| 19:02.48 | lh | is confused, does the whorefresh thing again |
| 19:02.59 | MatthewWilkes | lh: If you can't see it email Leslie rather than waiting. She likes to hear about minor niggles and will gladly take time out of her day to tell you to be patient. |
| 19:03.02 | MatthewWilkes | hides |
| 19:03.04 | lh | the um whole refresh |
| 19:03.07 | creek23 | still sees: Last modified on 2010-03-01 18:36:15.951596 by LH (Leslie Hawthorn) :( |
| 19:03.12 | lh | MatthewWilkes: you are no longer my favorite person |
| 19:03.13 | sfb | huh |
| 19:03.17 | sfb | No rich text editor tho |
| 19:03.23 | Lennie | nope not there |
| 19:03.25 | Lennie | just plain text |
| 19:03.29 | Lennie | no need for rich text is there :) |
| 19:03.48 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Aww |
| 19:04.15 | lh | MatthewWilkes: eh, it's ok |
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| 19:07.29 | Inc | lh heyo |
| 19:08.22 | Jeff_S | gchaix: :) |
| 19:08.32 | gchaix | nerfs Jeff_S |
| 19:08.38 | Jeff_S | Inc: hi |
| 19:09.05 | Inc | heyo jeff |
| 19:10.00 | Inc | you guys got any projects for the lab this year? |
| 19:11.49 | sfb | lh: You said you didn't explicitly ask for mentor names this year but is who we have selected and why a sufficient answer to "What criteria did you use to select individuals..." ? |
| 19:12.09 | Jeff_S | Inc: yeah :) |
| 19:13.46 | lh | sfb: no, tell me also why bob and janice were good choices |
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| 19:16.29 | sfb | lh: Yes, that's what I mean. The question reads like "tell me the criteria of how you will" but I have selected and I would like to tell you why I selected those individuals. (= |
| 19:16.59 | lh | ah. then just say we have selected. |
| 19:17.38 | Wolf_OSGeo | lh: if we have multiple licenses, should we pick the most used or what? |
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| 19:18.34 | lh | sfb: if you want to get all pedantic, no one is going to act as a mentor until your org is accepted. |
| 19:18.43 | lh | Wolf_OSGeo: pick main license. thank you. |
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| 19:19.04 | Wolf_OSGeo | will do thanks |
| 19:19.51 | Wolf_OSGeo | is this license question mainly for some statistical use or is there some legal beagle looking at it? |
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| 19:23.06 | lh | Wolf_OSGeo: it is part of program reqs that you release code under OSI approved license |
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| 19:23.51 | Wolf_OSGeo | lh: OK, then we're safe. OSGeo requires projects to be OSI approved :) |
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| 19:23.57 | Wolf_OSGeo | thanks |
| 19:24.18 | lh | Wolf_OSGeo: yay! |
| 19:25.04 | lh | Is anyone having any difficulties submitting their application? I don't believe so. |
| 19:25.23 | Wolf_OSGeo | lh: I should have known this, since we have had the same issue pretty much every year, but I just wanted to clarify it once and for all for us :) |
| 19:25.44 | lh | Wolf_OSGeo: it's all good. |
| 19:26.37 | lh | Wolf_OSGeo: if you email me and carols then we can add a note to the FAQ |
| 19:26.43 | lh | and by we i mean i will bug carols |
| 19:27.04 | carols | wakes up |
| 19:27.05 | Wolf_OSGeo | :D Will do |
| 19:27.10 | carols | um, what? |
| 19:29.21 | Wolf_OSGeo | anyone have the 2007 GSoC url handy? |
| 19:29.33 | Wolf_OSGeo | I remember it was something google.com... |
| 19:29.45 | lh | code.google.com/soc/2007/ |
| 19:29.54 | Wolf_OSGeo | lh: ty! |
| 19:29.54 | lh | carols: we need to make the FAQ more clear |
| 19:30.10 | carols | lh: whew. ok . we can do that. :-) |
| 19:30.21 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Hmm, the application template is a required field, that means people that don't want to provide one will need to provide something to make their submission, which will then be added as the default text of student applications |
| 19:30.44 | Lennie | actually we will not be copying thta field |
| 19:30.49 | MatthewWilkes | oh, ok |
| 19:30.51 | Lennie | because it is not in there by default |
| 19:31.04 | Lennie | and you can ALWAYS change the app template |
| 19:31.16 | MatthewWilkes | sure |
| 19:32.36 | Wolf_OSGeo | could the license drop-down be changed into something which allows multiple selections? That would sort of resolve the issue for all umbrella orgs who have the same issue... |
| 19:33.30 | schumaml | "Multiple, see project descriptions" could be sufficient |
| 19:34.01 | lh | this sounds like a feature request |
| 19:34.10 | lh | http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues |
| 19:34.35 | lh | honestly, as far as google is concerned, we only care about the one license. you can update your license info on your org home page post acceptance. |
| 19:35.01 | lh | and we should note this in the FAQ. |
| 19:35.05 | lh | makes note on that |
| 19:35.33 | MatthewWilkes | hehe, the Zope Public License is on that list - I wonder if Zope will apply again this year |
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| 19:36.27 | lh | okay folks, i am going to be wandering around blogging, tweeting, denting, and eating (need a sandwich). |
| 19:36.28 | j-b | good $evening |
| 19:36.45 | lh | leave a note if you have a questions for me, will answer when i have a moment |
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| 19:36.57 | Wolf_OSGeo | does anyone have a link for the GSoC 2007 admin interface? |
| 19:37.37 | Wolf_OSGeo | never mind |
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| 19:39.17 | *** topic/#gsoc by lh -> Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - Mentoring Org Apps Open, Timeline: http://bit.ly/adul79 - File Feature Requests & Bugs at http://bit.ly/a5tD87 - Read the FAQs: http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session: http://bit.ly/amIwdd - We need flyer and presentations translations, videos too! |
| 19:39.26 | lh | Wolf_OSGeo: i think it's offline |
| 19:39.47 | Wolf_OSGeo | lh: nope |
| 19:39.57 | lh | Wolf_OSGeo: fascinating. |
| 19:40.08 | lh | makes noite that jeffbailey's changes haven't gone in yet |
| 19:40.19 | lh | carols: how's it going? enjoying the new hotness excitementness |
| 19:40.22 | Wolf_OSGeo | it's working fine for my purposes of perusing the old applications and counting success/acceptance ratios |
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| 19:40.44 | carols | lh: for sure, lots of people excited about applying, which is awesome. :-) |
| 19:40.46 | carols | good times |
| 19:40.47 | lh | Wolf_OSGeo: very good to know. thank you. how are you accessing so we an share this wisdom. |
| 19:40.49 | Wolf_OSGeo | lh: I hope that part won't go away |
| 19:41.06 | lh | carols: it's a good bunch of folkses. we're fortunate to have super cool jobs. :) |
| 19:41.19 | Wolf_OSGeo | with my google account I used back then |
| 19:41.35 | lh | carols: and haven't been updating the calendar enough, sorry. working on it steadily though. thinking i will have more time while at sigcse this week. |
| 19:41.36 | carols | lh: for sure! this is amazing work. im so happy to be a part of it. :-) |
| 19:41.43 | creek23 | feels like im take a board exam |
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| 19:41.45 | lh | carols: we |
| 19:41.52 | lh | carols: we are lucky to have you. |
| 19:41.54 | Wolf_OSGeo | no wait it is the 2008 site... |
| 19:42.00 | carols | lh: aw shucks |
| 19:42.02 | carols | blushes |
| 19:42.04 | sfb | creek23: A train is leaving Seattle at 1900 traveling at... |
| 19:42.06 | araujo | saluda a lh |
| 19:42.17 | araujo | lh, the fun has just started this year again eh? :] |
| 19:42.20 | lh | ladies and gentlemen, ms. carols was responsible for the launch of an internal tool at google to do all employee performance reviews in like 9 weeks from start to completion. she just rocks |
| 19:42.21 | Wolf_OSGeo | lh: 2007 site seems to be gone! ack! |
| 19:42.25 | lh | araujo: buenos dias mi amigo |
| 19:42.39 | araujo | lh, buen dia amiga :] |
| 19:42.44 | lh | Wolf_OSGeo: that is not surprising to me. afaik, per year data storage was never externally enabled using that system. |
| 19:42.52 | carols | it certainly wasn't just me working on it. :-) it was a lot of people's effort |
| 19:42.56 | Wolf_OSGeo | :( |
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| 19:43.06 | lh | carols: please to enjoy your compliment. or something. |
| 19:43.08 | sfb | carols: Being a day-time development manager of HR software I can say first hand that's impressive! |
| 19:43.25 | MatthewWilkes | 5 failed students over 4 years, boo! |
| 19:43.25 | Landon | sfb: They never meet! There's a flipping elephant on the tracks! |
| 19:43.27 | lh | Wolf_OSGeo: do you have wraop up reports on your website or anything to reverse engineer the data |
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| 19:43.39 | schumaml | seeing carols on the list scared me for the first time (our projects nemesis used to be a carol s.) ;) |
| 19:43.51 | lh | this is an awesome carols |
| 19:43.51 | Wolf_OSGeo | not for 2007, that year I was a mere mentor ;) |
| 19:44.01 | schumaml | just to be sure: carols, you don't happen to know me? |
| 19:44.01 | Wolf_OSGeo | but I'll see if I can get something |
| 19:44.02 | Catfish_Man | ooh you have a nemesis? We had one at my last job |
| 19:44.04 | Catfish_Man | it was awesome |
| 19:44.04 | lh | Wolf_OSGeo: hrm. ok, PITA way |
| 19:44.13 | lh | if there is a note to the mentors list with final allocations |
| 19:44.14 | carols | sfb: it is certainly thankless work, most of the time :-) |
| 19:44.18 | Wolf_OSGeo | lh: yeah the PITA way |
| 19:44.25 | lh | take that number for your org, then see how many students are listed on the site for each year |
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| 19:44.53 | lh | e.g. if you were allocated seven but only four names are listed at http://code.google.com/soc/2007/osgeo/about.html then you had a 4/7 pass ratio |
| 19:45.06 | lh | same can be said of the 2009 pages, but URL is obviously different |
| 19:45.21 | lh | I *think* I sent allocation #s to the list, not sure how long ago I started though. |
| 19:46.04 | MatthewWilkes | Or you just feel a lot of love for your predecessors as org admins that there is enough of a paper trail of blogs online that it's a 3 minute job to find out |
| 19:48.03 | Wolf_OSGeo | lh: I have the list of successes also in the report (I did write one, but forgot about it), but not a list of all applicants :( |
| 19:48.13 | Wolf_OSGeo | but I think I can dig out that number |
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| 19:50.07 | carols | runs off to get lunch |
| 19:50.33 | sfb | carols: Thankless? Everyone loves to do employee reviews. q= |
| 19:50.56 | lh | Wolf_OSGeo: it's ok, it's about the number that were allocated vs. passing |
| 19:51.40 | Wolf_OSGeo | lh: I found our original final rankings and from it I can see we had 19 :D |
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| 19:51.52 | lh | Wolf_OSGeo: nifty. well done1 |
| 19:51.54 | lh | er done! |
| 19:52.06 | Wolf_OSGeo | google to the rescue |
| 19:52.09 | Wolf_OSGeo | ;) |
| 19:52.48 | lh | we like the goog |
| 19:53.35 | Wolf_OSGeo | lh: It might be the total applications we found worth while, but I' |
| 19:53.45 | Wolf_OSGeo | lh: It might be the total applications we found worth while, but I'll still go with it |
| 19:56.24 | lh | Wolf_OSGeo: that's fine. close enough for government work as we say in the states |
| 19:56.34 | Wolf_OSGeo | :D :D |
| 19:56.50 | Wolf_OSGeo | lh: remember I'm a surveyor (to be) ;) |
| 19:57.00 | carols | sits back down with her google-lunch-to-go |
| 19:58.42 | lh | carols: i am going to go grab a sandwich shortly. om nom nom |
| 19:58.57 | carols | lh: nom nom nom :-) |
| 19:59.56 | lh | refreshes google open source blog fast and furiously |
| 20:00.13 | carols | looks great, lh! |
| 20:00.16 | carols | i see it |
| 20:00.18 | carols | so pretty |
| 20:00.22 | lh | woo woo! |
| 20:00.38 | lh | goes off to tweets |
| 20:01.39 | kblin | heyas folks |
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| 20:05.12 | Lunixed | http://googleopensourceblog.blogspot.com/ a fake blog.. found by mistake :P |
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| 20:06.24 | Wolf_OSGeo | lh: clever! mandatory feedback :P :D |
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| 20:06.41 | dottedmag | Just wanted to know - can (backup) org. administrator participate as student in program? |
| 20:06.48 | MatthewWilkes | dottedmag: No |
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| 20:07.01 | dottedmag | eh. okay. Good to know before submitting :) |
| 20:07.23 | MatthewWilkes | dottedmag: You can assign a student who didn't get a spot as a replacement for the backup admin, though |
| 20:07.37 | carldani | I'll be on the student side this year after playing mentor last year. |
| 20:07.58 | dottedmag | MatthewWilkes: so is it possible to change backup org. admin after submitting? |
| 20:08.23 | Lennie | dottedmag: yes |
| 20:08.28 | Lennie | if you are not the backup admin :) |
| 20:09.09 | dottedmag | thanks! |
| 20:09.20 | Wolf_OSGeo | Does any other org have more than 1 backup admin? |
| 20:09.35 | Alex_GenMAPP | we do |
| 20:09.48 | Lennie | they can invite more admins if they are accepted :) |
| 20:10.05 | Lennie | for the purpose of responsibility there needs to be one and only one defined |
| 20:10.11 | Wolf_OSGeo | ah, ok. so pick one att the initial app and then add more later. cool :) |
| 20:10.43 | lh | this is detailed in the user guide. cough, cough. |
| 20:11.10 | lh | user guide. read it, know it, love it, have a sandwich. http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/userguide |
| 20:11.10 | carldani | it's called user guide because developers won't read it? |
| 20:11.20 | lh | carldani: well, there is that. :) |
| 20:11.56 | Landon | carldani: I would suggest having /sourcecode redirect, but I know a fair few developers who don't look at that either before diving in :p |
| 20:11.58 | Wolf_OSGeo | I'm the admin, I can't read a user guide o_O |
| 20:12.01 | Wolf_OSGeo | :P |
| 20:12.07 | Wolf_OSGeo | lh: thnks! |
| 20:12.30 | durin42 | How's the question load this year? Should I resurrect the "go read the faq. No, srsly, read the faq." bot? |
| 20:13.04 | Wolf_OSGeo | goes hide somewhere with his FAQs |
| 20:13.06 | lh | durin42: it cannot hurt to do so. would you please? |
| 20:13.21 | lh | that'll learn you to read them frequently asked questionz. |
| 20:13.29 | Wolf_OSGeo | :D |
| 20:13.40 | lh | MatthewWilkes: your response on the discussion list was fantabulous. you are once again my favorite brit. |
| 20:13.42 | durin42 | lh: /me scrounges hard disk |
| 20:14.15 | lh | durin42: thank you |
| 20:14.23 | Inc | what is linkid format??? |
| 20:14.45 | Erant | Alphanumeric |
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| 20:14.56 | durin42 | lh: but of course |
| 20:15.02 | Inc | Erant: meaning name? |
| 20:15.04 | carldani | lh: if you want people to read user docs, hide them behind a link saying "Experimental BETA speedup trick". And if people read the docs, they will get a speedup (though not the one they expected). |
| 20:15.07 | Inc | email? or what? |
| 20:15.21 | Erant | Inc: Euh, no, it's more like a nickname. |
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| 20:15.50 | Inc | Erant: any nickname? or basically where do I have my backup mentor get a linkid from? |
| 20:16.01 | sfb | Wow, weird. |
| 20:16.09 | sfb | I submitted my application using the full width of the box |
| 20:16.12 | lh | carldani: great idea |
| 20:16.20 | Erant | Inc: Eh, I'm confused, what are you trying to do? |
| 20:16.22 | sfb | And after submitting it scrunched my text down to about half the width of the box. |
| 20:16.27 | Inc | Erant: finish my application |
| 20:16.38 | Erant | Inc: As a student, or what? |
| 20:16.42 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Just trying to pull my weight like everyone else! |
| 20:16.44 | Inc | no as an organization |
| 20:16.50 | Alex_GenMAPP | Inc: your backup mentor needs to register a linkid and then tell you what it is |
| 20:16.58 | Erant | What he said. |
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| 20:17.25 | lh | MatthewWilkes: it was a lovely response. thank you. could not have said it better. |
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| 20:18.30 | Inc | Alex_GenMAPP: thanks |
| 20:18.53 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Why, thank you. :) |
| 20:19.00 | Inc | AWWW |
| 20:19.23 | Alex_GenMAPP | * senses warm fuzzies nearby... |
| 20:19.45 | lh | Alex_GenMAPP: and some major warm fuzzies to you mr. mentor guide author. |
| 20:19.50 | lh | this is so my favorite time of year. |
| 20:20.06 | Inc | so we get to get hammered then see if we got into SOC |
| 20:20.19 | Inc | Since St pats day is the day before haha |
| 20:20.30 | lh | Inc: that's one strategy |
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| 20:20.57 | MatthewWilkes | Is it really? I'm off at a sprint on results day then |
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| 20:21.05 | Inc | lh: I'm joking, I don't drink anymore. Gotta keep the beach bod. |
| 20:21.08 | durin42 | brb |
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| 20:21.26 | kblin | lh: whoa, lots of text.. the test application was much shorter ;) |
| 20:21.43 | carldani | heard of a student who wanted to list "circumventing Google access control" on the list of reasons he should be picked. |
| 20:21.47 | lh | kblin: amazing how that works. |
| 20:21.56 | lh | has never had a beach bod and is ok with that. |
| 20:22.26 | kblin | has a beach bod, just needs a bigger beach ;) |
| 20:22.30 | Inc | I'm sure you guys have a blast reading all the applications That's gotta be a pain |
| 20:22.34 | MatthewWilkes | carldani: Explain :P |
| 20:22.35 | Inc | how many apps a year do you get? |
| 20:22.38 | lh | ^5s kblin |
| 20:22.48 | lh | okay, since we are all having a great time up here in the #gsoc |
| 20:23.17 | lh | serves some champagne (only for the age appropriate), coffee, cookies, cider, cakey things, and an apple and cheese plate for scorche |
| 20:23.32 | ihalip | drinks all the chapagne |
| 20:23.33 | lh | alex_genMAPP left. i hope i did not embarass him. |
| 20:23.37 | ihalip | mmm... good |
| 20:23.39 | lh | ihalip: lame! leave some for the rest of us. |
| 20:23.48 | MatthewWilkes | there's still cider! |
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| 20:24.21 | ihalip | lh: well, you just didn't know what a champagne maniac i am :P |
| 20:24.21 | j-b | takes some coffee, thanks |
| 20:24.55 | straydawg | produces backup champagne bottle |
| 20:25.07 | straydawg | pours and nips |
| 20:25.34 | lh | straydawg: why thank you ben, you are such a gentleman. |
| 20:25.34 | ihalip | straydawg: drinking is bad for your health |
| 20:25.46 | lh | ihalip: me too. sorta. on the odd occasion when i drink, i like the champagne. |
| 20:25.59 | lh | is getting old. drinking is less fun. scotch and champagne, though, nom. |
| 20:26.22 | durin42 | lh: by that logic I started old |
| 20:26.22 | Mathuin | has found that with age comes the desire to sip rather than gulp. |
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| 20:26.43 | lh | durin42: i have always thought you were an "old soul" my friend, so that fits. |
| 20:26.51 | lh | wanders off in search of a sandwich. |
| 20:26.56 | lh | here sandwich sandwich |
| 20:27.01 | Mathuin | is also thinking about lunch. |
| 20:27.03 | lh | those sandwiches are wily creatures. |
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| 20:29.16 | bcollet | danderson, Garuma: hi! :) |
| 20:29.30 | danderson | yo. |
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| 20:29.38 | kblin | be vewy, vewy qwiet, lh's hunting sandwiches |
| 20:29.46 | danderson | bcollet: joining SoC this year? |
| 20:29.55 | sussman | danderson! |
| 20:30.04 | danderson | sussman: hi! |
| 20:30.24 | bcollet | danderson: maybe, SIP Communicator is looking for students in my uni, and we've a presentation on Thursday |
| 20:30.25 | MatthewWilkes | lh: I can't imagine awesome food being hard to find in the US |
| 20:30.34 | sussman | you and augie still playing the role of 'resident assistants', eh? |
| 20:30.40 | carldani | MatthewWilkes: Well, Google does try to make sure people only get filtered search results for your country. Lots of Nazi stuff (just an example) will be unlisted in the search results if you're coming from .de or .fr, and this guy figured out a way to only list results which were missing in at least one country. Basically he inverted the filters. |
| 20:30.48 | danderson | sussman: pretty much, yeah. |
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| 20:30.58 | Garuma | bcollet: hola! |
| 20:31.04 | durin42 | danderson: the bot is active and deploying faq links |
| 20:31.10 | danderson | durin42: nice. |
| 20:31.34 | sussman | notes it's HIS bot that augie hacked |
| 20:32.19 | MatthewWilkes | carldani: Hehe, cool. |
| 20:32.21 | carldani | MatthewWilkes: I think that sort of counts as access control circumvention, however it's not what you'd expect after hearing "access control circumvention". |
| 20:32.52 | sfb | lh: Ierusalimschy is the Lua architect. |
| 20:33.00 | danderson | carldani: where is this? |
| 20:33.14 | sfb | lh: I think he's saying he'll tell his prof to do exactly what you and MatthewWilkes said to do. |
| 20:34.26 | MatthewWilkes | sfb: We're obviously not reading the geek gossip magazines enough |
| 20:34.31 | lh | sfb: i am still confused by what he wants though |
| 20:34.52 | lh | bcollet: is that infosession advertised on the meetups list |
| 20:34.55 | Garuma | !timeline |
| 20:34.55 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 20:34.59 | lh | durin42: you rock thank you |
| 20:35.06 | Garuma | sweet, good old socinfo still works |
| 20:35.10 | lh | sussman: greetings! :) |
| 20:35.13 | kblin | !next |
| 20:35.13 | socinfo | "next" is Mentoring organizations can submit their applications for GSoC2010 on March 8th, see http://bit.ly/9hFpcb |
| 20:35.15 | kblin | meh |
| 20:35.18 | kblin | !forget next |
| 20:35.18 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 20:35.37 | sfb | MatthewWilkes: (= |
| 20:35.50 | carldani | danderson: Do you mean where you can test drive that code? It's not available to the public AFAIK, but I saw a demo and it spit out a list of search results which looked genuine (and after asking a friend in the US and comparing his results with mine in Germany I have to concur that this guy is onto something). |
| 20:36.06 | bcollet | lh: I have no idea, I'm not registered yet on this list |
| 20:36.13 | sfb | lh: You two suggested that Lua apply as a mentoring org. The head of that project is his professor. He said he'd convince his professor to enter Lua as a mentoring org. (; |
| 20:36.19 | kblin | !learn next as March 12 23:00 UTC: Mentor Organization application deadline, see http://bit.ly/adul79 |
| 20:36.19 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 20:36.50 | sfb | Hi Kaia |
| 20:36.52 | sfb | Er, Kai. |
| 20:36.58 | kblin | hi sfb :) |
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| 20:38.04 | lh | bcollet: ok, when and where is the meetup |
| 20:38.12 | lh | sfb: ah. that works for me. |
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| 20:39.24 | danderson | carldani: test drive the code, see a screencap demo, anything along those lines |
| 20:39.29 | danderson | looks like a fun hack :) |
| 20:39.57 | bcollet | lh: Thursday, March, 11th - 7PM at UFR de Mathématique et Informatique (7, rue René Descartes) - Room C10, Strasbourg, France |
| 20:40.09 | carldani | danderson: the other question is whether it would be wise to list that hack in a job application to Google. |
| 20:40.36 | danderson | carldani: good question, I can't speak for Google in that matter (or the interviewers/recruiters who look at the application) |
| 20:41.00 | bcollet | lh: and also Friday, March, 12th - 5:30PM at Pole API - Room J5, Illkirch, France |
| 20:41.06 | danderson | on a very personal level, if it's well documented (eg. a whitepaper or something) and is clever, I'd count it as a plus |
| 20:41.16 | carldani | danderson: I bet some recruiters would think it's cool, and others would have serious doubts abount the applicant. |
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| 20:42.05 | lh | bcollet: hang on checking |
| 20:42.58 | lh | bcollet: perfect, both are on meetups list and program calendar. thanks for your help! |
| 20:43.07 | bcollet | 'welcome :) |
| 20:43.08 | danderson | carldani: my intuition is that the reactions would range from "that's cool" to "meh, whatever". I don't see how being against it could be rationalized (unless it involves something illegal/unethical to obtain the data, obviously) |
| 20:43.15 | namelesz | is it allowed to participate in gsoc when you graduate in june? |
| 20:43.19 | lh | carldani: what kind of hack? |
| 20:43.26 | danderson | carldani: but, as I said, I can't speak for all recruiters and all interviewers. |
| 20:43.28 | lh | namelesz: yes, this is answered in the faq. |
| 20:43.30 | lh | !faq |
| 20:43.30 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 20:43.30 | bcollet | lh: where is that calendar? |
| 20:43.38 | lh | bcollet: !timeline |
| 20:43.40 | lh | er |
| 20:43.41 | lh | !timeline |
| 20:43.41 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 20:43.52 | lh | linked from there in various formats, including HTML, ICAL, etc. |
| 20:43.52 | bcollet | thanks |
| 20:43.55 | danderson | lh: as I understood it, a way to search on google for a specific country, and get back only the results censored in that country |
| 20:43.59 | lh | bcollet: you're welcome |
| 20:44.06 | lh | danderson: cool. |
| 20:44.15 | carldani | lh: a hack which inverts Google's per-country search results filters. So instead of getting the censored version, you only get the results which would have been censored. |
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| 20:44.22 | lh | carldani: provided you do not violate the google terms of service i would sure list that, it is one cool hack,. |
| 20:44.29 | danderson | yeah, what lh said |
| 20:44.31 | lh | like majorly cool hack imho |
| 20:44.46 | lh | where can i find this |
| 20:44.46 | danderson | my main concern would be violating the ToS to get the data, which would reflect badly on the candidate's general ethics |
| 20:45.11 | danderson | but aside from that, terribly cool. I wonder if he did it the way I think he did. |
| 20:45.42 | kblin | shrugs |
| 20:45.44 | carldani | lh: I think I can dig up the paper he wrote. It's been a few years, but the hack still works (after some small modifications). |
| 20:46.08 | kblin | my reaction goes more into "meh, whatever" |
| 20:46.30 | Erant | danderson: Mjeh, I've probably violated a handful of ToSes by now. Few EULAs and probably the DMCA a few times too. ;) |
| 20:46.44 | carldani | lh: sadly, no public demo available, but maybe the paper contains screenshots. Don't remember. |
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| 20:46.48 | kblin | Erant: that's why we wouldn't hire you |
| 20:46.56 | bcollet | lh: I think there is a mistake either on the mail Emil Ivov (SIP Communicator project leader) sent us, either on the calendar |
| 20:47.08 | Erant | kblin: I know :( |
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| 20:47.46 | Erant | Well, the DMCA is so strict that simply opening a device and looking up a datasheet would almost constitute reverse engineering... |
| 20:48.04 | kblin | Erant: then again I have to confess that I don't know how easy it is to violate e,g, the DMCA |
| 20:48.08 | lh | carldani: ok cool |
| 20:48.14 | danderson | Erant: sure, but would you brag about it in your application to work for a company whose ToSen you violated? |
| 20:48.18 | danderson | that's the core question :) |
| 20:48.22 | lh | bcollet: email me the fix and will do lhawthorn@google.com |
| 20:48.55 | Landon | kblin: doesn't firing up a DVD with VLC violate the DMCA? (ACRONYM) |
| 20:49.17 | danderson | Landon: on linux or OS X, yes |
| 20:49.36 | bcollet | lh: I'm emailing Emil Ivov to get confirmation |
| 20:49.40 | danderson | since you are using a copy protection circumvention device (DeCSS to get around the DRM+region locking) |
| 20:49.54 | danderson | actually, on windows+VLC as well |
| 20:50.10 | danderson | but Windows and OS X have players that are actually licensed, if you want to |
| 20:50.17 | danderson | use linux, you're automatically a criminal :) |
| 20:50.26 | Landon | only if you're a consumer! |
| 20:50.44 | Erant | danderson: Hmm... I have, on one occassion. And I got the job too. |
| 20:50.45 | Landon | consuming = criminal. QED |
| 20:51.02 | carldani | I'm so glad I'm sitting in Germany. |
| 20:51.25 | carldani | erm... that sounds wrong |
| 20:51.44 | MatthewWilkes | carldani: Germany, where it's illegal to sing parts of the national anthem? |
| 20:52.09 | Erant | danderson: The situation changes slightly when you're applying for an 'embedded security engineer' position. |
| 20:53.02 | carldani | MatthewWilkes: well, the forbidded verses are not part of the national anthem anymore |
| 20:53.10 | sussman | lh: do we have a standard #gsoc twitter tag going? |
| 20:53.24 | MatthewWilkes | carldani: Great doublethink there. ;) |
| 20:53.32 | sfb | Forbidden verses?! |
| 20:54.19 | danderson | careful, this is slowly degenerating into politics :) |
| 20:54.21 | MatthewWilkes | sfb: http://ingeb.org/Lieder/deutschl.html |
| 20:54.25 | MatthewWilkes | Hehe, sorry |
| 20:54.43 | MatthewWilkes | I'm just annoyed that when I move to .de in a few months my freedom of speech will be severely limited |
| 20:54.44 | lh | sussman: yep, #gsoc |
| 20:55.17 | sussman | tweeting |
| 20:55.32 | danderson | MatthewWilkes: freedom of speech is an illusion everywhere :) |
| 20:55.51 | danderson | a better term would be freedom to be ignored when not bothering someone else |
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| 20:58.40 | kblin | carldani: actually you violate laws by watching a dvd in germany as well |
| 20:58.51 | danderson | damn, I was doing something... |
| 20:59.00 | danderson | then I got distracted |
| 20:59.06 | danderson | my CPU caches all flushed |
| 20:59.12 | danderson | and now I can't remember what I was doing... |
| 20:59.26 | kblin | danderson: you have freedom of speech everywhere |
| 20:59.37 | kblin | danderson: freedom _after_ speech is what's interesting |
| 20:59.53 | thebolt | Evening everyone |
| 20:59.55 | danderson | indeed |
| 20:59.57 | carldani | MatthewWilkes: well, you are allowed to sing those "forbidden" verses, but they are morally "forbidden" and people will suspect you're a Nazi if you sing them. You won't face any criminal prosecution, though. |
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| 21:00.33 | dottedmag | Is it considered "politically correct" to mention possibility of being hired as a contractor for the succesful students as a mean to ensure they stick to the project after GSoC? |
| 21:00.51 | danderson | what? |
| 21:01.13 | danderson | technically (for payroll matters), the students are employed as contractors for the period of SoC, as I recall |
| 21:01.18 | Dark_Shikari | dottedmag: I don't think so |
| 21:01.25 | Dark_Shikari | we explicitly point out that there's money out there |
| 21:01.39 | dottedmag | danderson: after GSoC - there's backing company which may consider hiring some of students after the program. |
| 21:01.54 | schumaml | isn't it up to any org themselves to use gsoc as a recuiting program? |
| 21:01.56 | danderson | dottedmag: oh, there is another company which may be interested in them? |
| 21:01.58 | dottedmag | hiring for improving the open project. |
| 21:02.07 | Dark_Shikari | I don't see anything wrong with that... |
| 21:02.09 | danderson | eg. XenSource if Xen were to participate, that sort of thing? |
| 21:02.13 | dottedmag | danderson: yep |
| 21:02.18 | danderson | (well, except XenSource was acquired by someone or other I think) |
| 21:02.28 | danderson | dottedmag: I don't see a problem with that, as long as it's true :) |
| 21:02.35 | dottedmag | danderson: okay :) |
| 21:02.46 | carldani | danderson: the most interesting question is: If someone is accepted as GSoC student, finishes her/his degree during GSoC, then applies for a job at Google, will he/she be looked at in a strange way? |
| 21:03.01 | danderson | carldani: no. |
| 21:03.02 | Dark_Shikari | gsoc is not particularly related to google |
| 21:03.18 | danderson | participation in open source communities is generally a plus for hiring at Google |
| 21:03.30 | danderson | but it's the participation in the community and what you did there that matters |
| 21:03.35 | danderson | not that it was GSoC specificall |
| 21:03.37 | danderson | +y |
| 21:03.40 | MatthewWilkes | carldani: FYI: http://ingeb.org/garb/SA2002.html |
| 21:03.43 | carldani | danderson: Let me rephrase: Applying for a job at Google while GSoC is still doing on. |
| 21:03.50 | danderson | oh |
| 21:04.11 | danderson | carldani: that may be a little weird to explain to recruiters, but I'm reasonably sure it can be done. |
| 21:04.40 | lh | it is fine to hire your student to work on your project if you want to. it is frowned upon to hire them in the middle of gsoc causing them to drop out of the program,. |
| 21:05.01 | lh | carldani: that is ok to do. keep in mind that if you are a student and are hired by google in the middle of the program, you have to quit doing gsoc. |
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| 21:05.50 | ThomasWaldmann | moin :) |
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| 21:07.47 | kblin | hey ThomasWaldmann |
| 21:08.28 | carldani | MatthewWilkes: ah, that one. Yes, some texts are explicitly banned in Germany, and you're not allowed to distribute them. The list of banned texts is public, though. And no part of the national anthem (or ex-anthem) is banned. |
| 21:08.38 | harlan | lh - how are you doing? |
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| 21:08.56 | MatthewWilkes | carldani: Last I heard the list wasn't public, do you have a linky? |
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| 21:10.06 | carldani | lh: hm. That student would be allowed to continue working on the task he/she selected, I hope? (If Google decides to employ her/him, the pay will be better than in GSoC anyway.) |
| 21:10.22 | carldani | MatthewWilkes: I only saw it in print. |
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| 21:11.15 | carldani | (continue working on the task without pay in her/his spare time, in case my question was unclear) |
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| 21:12.42 | lfranchi | lh: hi leslie. in looking for our (kde) past successful students, i was wondering why the previously public google doc with statistics is no longer accessible (http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p6DuoA2lJToKmUzoSq6raZQ#). was it closed for a reason? :) |
| 21:12.55 | lh | harlan: i am well dear friend how are you? |
| 21:13.28 | lh | carldani: if you are getting paid by google, no gsoc stipend at the same time. you are welcome to keep working on the project, but you have to ask manager about working on it during work hours. |
| 21:13.46 | lh | lfranchi: that doc is the bane of our existence. hang on, let me figure out why it is not publishing |
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| 21:13.54 | lfranchi | lh: awesome, thanks |
| 21:13.57 | harlan | Hanging in there thanks - I'm in San JOse this week. |
| 21:13.59 | lfranchi | Nightrose: ^ |
| 21:14.15 | Nightrose | \o/ |
| 21:14.18 | lh | harlan: how much of this week? |
| 21:14.53 | thebolt | hi lh et al.. and good night, heading to bed after a 06:30->20:30 work day (thats 6:30am to 8:30 pm).. reloading for same day tomorrow and a 06->03 day wednesday.. |
| 21:15.13 | ihalip | thebolt: have fun |
| 21:15.19 | harlan | Until Sunday, becaus Saturday is the first day that http://growbetterveggies.com is selling plants to the public, and Margaret will want some tomato plants. |
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| 21:15.54 | lh | thebolt: rest well |
| 21:15.55 | kblin | Nightrose: thanks for the tip of upgrading amarok. :) I knew bitching in the correct place would help.. you don't happen to know of a kde-pim developer in here as well? ;) |
| 21:15.59 | thebolt | ihalip: given i am not paid, fun is the only thing i get out of it :) |
| 21:15.59 | lh | harlan: oh wow, that looks amazing!! |
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| 21:16.15 | xzilla | is there a place to look up info on past pass/fail records of gsoc students? |
| 21:16.30 | Nightrose | kblin: *lol* - give me a sec |
| 21:16.30 | lh | harlan: i get back into town at 11 pm on the 13th, but could meet for a coffee on the 14th if my better half does not mind. |
| 21:16.35 | lh | xzilla: sorta. |
| 21:16.37 | sfb | haha |
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| 21:16.59 | lfranchi | kblin: try #kontact |
| 21:17.05 | lfranchi | kblin: or #akonadi if it's akonadi-related |
| 21:17.09 | Nightrose | kblin: the closest one to a pim dev here i can spot is lfranchi |
| 21:17.13 | MatthewWilkes | xzilla: Sounds like a good feature request for melange, patches are welcome |
| 21:17.17 | lfranchi | lol |
| 21:17.21 | mcr | can someone tell me if a "Link ID" is just the local@gmail.com part? |
| 21:17.26 | lfranchi | calling me a kdepim dev would be pushing it |
| 21:17.26 | lh | ah facebook. new and better ways to tell people to read the faq |
| 21:17.36 | kblin | lfranchi: fair enough, I tried those.. :) |
| 21:17.37 | ihalip | hah |
| 21:17.51 | harlan | lh - that would be great - I need to be on the road by 2pm or so, and there's a good chance I'll be back here later that week anyway, for the weekend. But let's chat later this week to be sure (unless y['all are dim-sum folks, and we shoot for Sunday at 11...) |
| 21:17.56 | kblin | mcr: nope, you get to pick your link id during sign-up |
| 21:18.01 | Nightrose | lfranchi: ;-) that's why i said closest |
| 21:18.09 | lh | harlan: okay, one sec |
| 21:18.26 | lh | Mathuin: better half, mind if i do coffee on sunday with harlan? you should come too and talk about ntp |
| 21:19.43 | mcr | kblin, I guess I never had to do that, as I was a mentor in previous years, so it's already done for me, but not my backup. |
| 21:19.49 | carldani | MatthewWilkes: Google, first hit (official publication): http://www.sachsen-anhalt.de/LPSA/fileadmin/Elementbibliothek/Bibliothek_Politik_und_Verwaltung/Bibliothek_Ministerium_des_Innern/PDF_Dokumente/Verfassungsschutz/Symbole_Kennzeichen_Re.pdf |
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| 21:20.29 | lh | suspects better half is lunching |
| 21:20.54 | lh | harlan: i will email you more details if you or i am not online later |
| 21:20.54 | MatthewWilkes | carldani: Cheers, it's hard to google when you don't know the native language terms |
| 21:20.55 | ThomasWaldmann | btw, is there a pretty gsoc2010 logo yet? |
| 21:20.58 | harlan | no worries - I need to run to the airport to turn in the old rental car (and get a new one) now - later, eh? |
| 21:21.01 | harlan | great! |
| 21:21.12 | lh | harlan: do you plan to go veggie shopping on saturday or sunday? i would sure love to go and get some plants too. |
| 21:21.16 | carldani | lh: uh oh. I read "lynching" (tiny screen defect at just the right place) |
| 21:21.21 | lh | harlan: you have to run, np. we will talk later. :) |
| 21:21.27 | lh | carldani: there shall be no lynching. |
| 21:21.31 | harlan | SHe is open only on Saturdays and Wednesdays. |
| 21:21.39 | carldani | lh: Ah good. |
| 21:21.44 | harlan | and on 10 Apr is the Santa Clara Master Gardener's show |
| 21:22.04 | lh | harlan: out of town for that sadly. but sound amazing. |
| 21:22.12 | lfranchi | lh: we got the number we needed from the public pages |
| 21:22.18 | schumaml | ThomasWaldmann: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/ |
| 21:22.21 | harlan | if you give us a list we can pick up for you. |
| 21:22.45 | schumaml | this time, someone actually got creative with coding-related glyps :) |
| 21:22.53 | schumaml | +h |
| 21:23.16 | ThomasWaldmann | schumaml: ah, thanks. brand new! (had looked there some minutes ago) |
| 21:23.22 | lh | lfranchi: cool. |
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| 21:23.46 | carldani | I should invent an automatic cake creation machine, and ask Google to mentor me writing software for it. |
| 21:23.52 | lfranchi | lh: still trying to find it for 2005 but that's not surprising :) |
| 21:24.10 | carldani | And the mentor would get hardware for betatesting my code ;-) |
| 21:24.21 | lh | lfranchi: honestly, we dont have good data from 2005. dont worry about that so much. |
| 21:24.31 | schumaml | carldani: you might be able to convert a reprap machine |
| 21:24.47 | kblin | lfranchi: less than 400 :) |
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| 21:25.13 | lfranchi | kblin: :) |
| 21:25.27 | lh | pokes around at google docs, attempts to beat it to a pulp |
| 21:25.37 | kblin | hm, but I do remember some listing |
| 21:25.41 | kblin | hang on |
| 21:26.02 | lh | lfranchi: please try now. |
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| 21:26.09 | lh | hail mlankhorst |
| 21:26.18 | mlankhorst | finally stable internet :) |
| 21:26.19 | kblin | http://code.google.com/soc/2005/results.html |
| 21:26.23 | lh | hail stable internet |
| 21:26.24 | kblin | lfranchi: ^^^ |
| 21:26.34 | kblin | mlankhorst: yo |
| 21:26.43 | Nightrose | lh: he went out for a while - let me try |
| 21:26.46 | Nightrose | kblin: thx |
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| 21:26.54 | carldani | hi SRabbelier |
| 21:26.59 | kblin | mlankhorst: you said you're leading the charge for Wine this year |
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| 21:27.14 | Nightrose | lh: still no permission with the previous link :( |
| 21:27.15 | mlankhorst | ow does that mean signing paperwork now? :P |
| 21:27.15 | MatthewWilkes | evenin' Sverre |
| 21:27.16 | kblin | SRabbelier: hey there. melange seems to be holding up so far, good work |
| 21:27.19 | carldani | schumaml: right. Now I just have to find enough money to get a reprap |
| 21:27.31 | lh | Nightrose: i will kick it. hang on. |
| 21:27.42 | Nightrose | haha poor little thing |
| 21:27.43 | Nightrose | thx |
| 21:27.46 | lh | harlan: oh thank you. i will do that. |
| 21:27.57 | mlankhorst | ah well |
| 21:27.59 | mlankhorst | I'll get right on it |
| 21:28.12 | kblin | mlankhorst: I'm happy to be backup mentor, though |
| 21:28.20 | mlankhorst | sure |
| 21:28.27 | SRabbelier | carldani: heya :) |
| 21:28.33 | SRabbelier | kblin: yeah, we're happy about it too |
| 21:28.40 | SRabbelier | kblin: low number of timeouts since the new list system |
| 21:28.45 | Nightrose | kblin: interestingly enough a lot of names on that list for kde sound familiar |
| 21:28.47 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: sup! :) |
| 21:28.48 | Nightrose | very cool |
| 21:28.52 | mlankhorst | lh: feature request, suck data from last year ;) |
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| 21:28.55 | Nightrose | they're still around today |
| 21:29.07 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: we already pull in Role data from last year |
| 21:29.08 | kblin | Nightrose: the 2005 bunch was special ;) |
| 21:29.13 | Nightrose | hehe definitely |
| 21:29.18 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: group data not so much |
| 21:29.24 | kblin | Nightrose: I know because I'm still around as well ;) |
| 21:29.28 | Nightrose | :D |
| 21:29.45 | lh | mlankhorst: file it |
| 21:30.05 | lh | Nightrose & lfranchi: still figuring this out. please stay tuned. |
| 21:30.27 | Nightrose | ok - take your time |
| 21:30.44 | mlankhorst | lh: Well, if I blink and ask nicely, can I skip a few sections? ;) |
| 21:31.04 | kblin | mlankhorst: unless you can charm appengine, I doubt it :) |
| 21:31.11 | kblin | mlankhorst: and I want to see _that_ :) |
| 21:31.13 | lh | mlankhorst: i guess? |
| 21:31.15 | mlankhorst | c/p badger :D |
| 21:31.24 | Nightrose | rofl kblin |
| 21:31.38 | mlankhorst | badger badger badger badger |
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| 21:32.23 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: snaaaake it's a snaaake |
| 21:33.57 | mlankhorst | What criteria did you use to select the individuals who will act as mentors for your organization? |
| 21:34.00 | mlankhorst | whomever wants ;) |
| 21:34.01 | sreich3 | haha |
| 21:34.18 | nddrylliog | reading you guys makes the whole GSoC applying process a lot less fearful |
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| 21:35.16 | danderson | because we're all nuts? :P |
| 21:35.45 | Lennie | I'm off |
| 21:35.48 | Lennie | good luck applying :) |
| 21:35.51 | mlankhorst | kblin: what is your link id? :P |
| 21:35.58 | Lennie | try kblin :P |
| 21:36.01 | durin42 | I have to say, that application is borderline terrifyingly long |
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| 21:36.06 | mlankhorst | yawn |
| 21:36.12 | mlankhorst | what a technical term for something trivial |
| 21:36.30 | SRabbelier | durin42: its' a wee bit long, aye |
| 21:36.40 | nddrylliog | durin42: +1 |
| 21:37.47 | dan4dm | hi, filling in the form now. "application template" for students - we don't have one, should we? |
| 21:38.04 | Ivanovic | students can *NOT* apply yet!!! |
| 21:38.23 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: correct, what makes you say it with such vigor? :P |
| 21:38.26 | mlankhorst | THE FORM is for project admins only atm ;P |
| 21:38.30 | dan4dm | Ivanovic: if you're talking to me, then sorry, i wasn't clear. I'll rephrase: |
| 21:38.45 | dan4dm | the application form for mentor organisations is what I'm filling in |
| 21:39.00 | dan4dm | the form asks "Does your organization have an application template you would like to see students use?" |
| 21:39.09 | Ivanovic | and you do ask us if your project does have a template for students to fill out later on? |
| 21:40.04 | Ivanovic | basically a list of questions you want to see answerd from students |
| 21:40.04 | Ivanovic | SRabbelier: probably i am just really tired and all the likes |
| 21:40.04 | dan4dm | just wondering what sort of information an organisation "should", or "normally" asks |
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| 21:40.07 | Ivanovic | dan4dm: depends on the project |
| 21:40.25 | Ivanovic | you could eg ask stuff that might be relevant as basics for your project in general |
| 21:40.25 | dan4dm | the form sort of suggests we won't be able to contact them if we don't come up with an application-template! |
| 21:40.41 | SRabbelier | dan4dm: ask for an e-mail address :P |
| 21:40.52 | dan4dm | email! that's clever! |
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| 21:41.02 | Ivanovic | these are the questions we asked last year: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SoC_Information_for_Google#Does_your_organization_have_an_application_template_you_would_like_to_see_students_use.3F_If_so.2C_please_provide_it_now. |
| 21:41.10 | kblin | I'd also ask for a phone number |
| 21:41.55 | kblin | crud... |
| 21:43.03 | dan4dm | Ivanovic: cor that's pretty big. thanks |
| 21:43.10 | Ivanovic | kblin: yes, the phone number is a good backup |
| 21:43.16 | kblin | goes to search statistics for past gsocs for samba |
| 21:43.26 | Ivanovic | dan4dm: yes, it is a really lengthy list |
| 21:43.57 | Ivanovic | and several of those are damn hard to answer and more or less meant to give students a warning about possible "problematic" parts (yes, there are always some ranting players) |
| 21:44.06 | kblin | I know we had 18 students work with us over the years, but memory fails on how many in which year |
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| 21:46.47 | mlankhorst | woops |
| 21:47.26 | mlankhorst | kblin: don't suppose you know how many slots we requested and got allocated? |
| 21:47.40 | lh | kblin: get close enough for government work |
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| 21:48.06 | mlankhorst | can't remember :/ didn't get involved last year |
| 21:48.15 | kblin | mlankhorst: last year? lemme check |
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| 21:50.30 | kblin | mlankhorst: 5/5 :) |
| 21:50.42 | kblin | mlankhorst: five slots allocated, all passed |
| 21:50.46 | mlankhorst | nice |
| 21:53.08 | mlankhorst | kblin: well I submitted our apply :) |
| 21:54.23 | mlankhorst | I feel audacious enough to mentor a student myself this year, muahah |
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| 21:57.45 | mlankhor1t | oo annoying durinbot |
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| 22:01.12 | kblin | mlankhorst: thanks :) |
| 22:01.14 | durin42 | mlankhorst: sorry, it doesn't check services for linked nicks or anything smart, just a humble sqlite db |
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| 22:02.56 | dan4dm | mlankhurst: jings you're quick. i spose if not your first time you already have many of the answers |
| 22:03.37 | dan4dm | i meant mlankhorst, ah well |
| 22:03.41 | scorche | noms the apple and cheese plate |
| 22:03.56 | scorche | nods in lh's general direction |
| 22:04.50 | Mathuin | lh: sure, I don't know if harlan remembers me but it sounds like a great idea. :-) |
| 22:09.28 | lh | scorche: hail austin |
| 22:09.31 | lh | Nightrose: ping |
| 22:09.41 | Nightrose | lh: here! |
| 22:09.43 | lh | please see if you can view this link without being signed into a google account |
| 22:09.46 | lh | Nightrose: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6DuoA2lJToKmUzoSq6raZQ&output=html |
| 22:09.50 | Nightrose | ok sec |
| 22:10.15 | summatusmentis | o/ lh |
| 22:10.59 | Nightrose | lh: working |
| 22:11.02 | Nightrose | \o/ |
| 22:11.47 | lh | summatusmentis: hey jake. :) |
| 22:11.50 | lh | Mathuin: cool. |
| 22:12.00 | lh | Nightrose: ok, can you please sign into a google account and check for me? |
| 22:12.01 | namelesz | how many students applied for 2K9? |
| 22:12.19 | Nightrose | lh: working as well |
| 22:12.28 | summatusmentis | namelesz: iirc, it was ~3k |
| 22:12.42 | summatusmentis | the actual numbers are somewhere, I think |
| 22:12.57 | summatusmentis | maybe the OSPO blog? |
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| 22:16.03 | lh | Nightrose: okay thank you, we will get this fixed like nowish |
| 22:16.16 | Nightrose | lh: thanks :) |
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| 22:16.38 | kblin | SRabbelier: next year, I'd love to have a way to save the application while waiting for my backup admin to figure out his link_id |
| 22:17.25 | SRabbelier | 5.5k applicatns last year |
| 22:18.29 | mlankhorst | :} |
| 22:19.50 | summatusmentis | SRabbelier: ah, I stand corrected. Thanks |
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| 22:25.01 | dan4dm | kblin: dang yeah. if i put a 'dummy' link id in will that work? |
| 22:25.35 | kblin | not sure about that |
| 22:26.38 | robbyoconnor | durinbot: i love you |
| 22:28.11 | lh | has a doctor appointment |
| 22:28.21 | lh | carols: would you please hold down the fort for the next few hours my friend? |
| 22:28.32 | carols | lh: will do. happy to help |
| 22:28.36 | carols | saultes lh |
| 22:28.41 | carols | salutes, even |
| 22:28.43 | lh | carols: thank you very much |
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| 22:29.10 | lh | everyone be nice to carol and when you are not busy with your applications chat with her about metabrainz and foss and gsoc and stuffs |
| 22:29.14 | lh | talk to you all later |
| 22:29.38 | carols | spreads her arms wide and holds down the fort for lh |
| 22:29.40 | summatusmentis | so, metabrains and foss and gsoc and stuffs |
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| 22:29.56 | spectie | !timeline |
| 22:29.56 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 22:30.05 | spectie | summatusmentis, word |
| 22:30.26 | carols | summatusmentis: yeah, im a member of the BOD for the metabrainz foundation and i am helping lh out with gsoc this year :-) |
| 22:31.05 | summatusmentis | ooh, the MusicBrainz people |
| 22:31.14 | summatusmentis | I was wondering why I recognize that name |
| 22:31.22 | carols | summatusmentis: yes, thats correct |
| 22:31.31 | robbyoconnor | lh: of the mental variety :P |
| 22:31.46 | robbyoconnor | ducks |
| 22:31.47 | summatusmentis | very cool |
| 22:32.02 | summatusmentis | I get the sense lh could use some more help :) |
| 22:32.43 | robbyoconnor | ...of the mental variety...but knowing me tends to do that to people :) |
| 22:32.51 | carols | its a big program, that's for sure. she's a rockstar for doing it mostly on her own |
| 22:33.29 | MatthewWilkes | carols: The help of Ellen and Cat doesn't go unnoticed, I'm sure yours won't either |
| 22:33.38 | MatthewWilkes | hopes he didn't forget a name there |
| 22:33.48 | carols | MatthewWilkes: for sure. they're amazing as well. you got the names right :-) |
| 22:34.26 | MatthewWilkes | carols: That's exactly the kind of situation where you forget somebody really obvious and feel bad for ages |
| 22:34.26 | mlankhorst | ooo |
| 22:34.37 | mlankhorst | a new name ;) |
| 22:35.00 | carols | MatthewWilkes: yes, i know exactly what you mean. |
| 22:35.06 | carols | has done that too many times |
| 22:35.19 | summatusmentis | now you know why I don't thank anyone, ever :-P |
| 22:35.53 | summatusmentis | (kidding, of course) |
| 22:36.04 | carols | summatusmentis: certainly helps you avoid error :-) |
| 22:36.22 | summatusmentis | also tends to make people dislike you :) |
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| 22:36.44 | mlankhorst | I'm going to bed |
| 22:36.46 | kblin | aw |
| 22:36.56 | mlankhorst | if i stay up any longer I'd fall asleep on the keyboard, nn :) |
| 22:36.59 | kblin | all my melange-test students failed the test-soc |
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| 22:37.18 | mlankhorst | kblin: fire your test-mentors >:) |
| 22:37.56 | kblin | mlankhorst: they all did well, the lazy auto-generated students didn't fill in their surveys |
| 22:38.06 | mlankhorst | haha |
| 22:38.11 | mlankhorst | nn anyhow, bedtime |
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| 22:38.28 | Mathuin | thinks a nap sounds like a good idea for his sniffly self. |
| 22:38.34 | kblin | yeah, sleep good |
| 22:38.38 | summatusmentis | robbyoconnor: your internetz are angry |
| 22:40.05 | MatthewWilkes | sleep very good |
| 22:40.10 | MatthewWilkes | I was 29 hours last night |
| 22:40.12 | MatthewWilkes | new record |
| 22:40.16 | MatthewWilkes | had* |
| 22:40.41 | summatusmentis | 2...9 hours of sleep? |
| 22:41.06 | MatthewWilkes | yup :) |
| 22:41.24 | dan4dm | 29??? |
| 22:41.27 | summatusmentis | your are my new hero |
| 22:41.31 | summatusmentis | you* |
| 22:41.57 | dan4dm | not in some warp-speed sense? (29 hours which happened to fit into 8 of your earth hours) |
| 22:41.58 | xzilla | define "last night" in the context of 29 hours |
| 22:42.21 | MatthewWilkes | I went to bed 7am sunday, woke up this morning |
| 22:42.36 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: wow, how did you pull that one off? |
| 22:42.40 | MatthewWilkes | well, I say this morning, I missed my lectures |
| 22:42.47 | summatusmentis | o/ |
| 22:43.00 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: how long did you stay up? :P |
| 22:43.40 | en1gm4 | SRabbelier: 58 hrs by proportion |
| 22:44.15 | MatthewWilkes | nowhere near that long, felt awesome though |
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| 22:52.04 | robbyoconnor | summatusmentis: no |
| 22:52.07 | robbyoconnor | xchat is acting up |
| 22:52.28 | summatusmentis | likely story |
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| 22:54.59 | sonne | sorry to ask again, but is that apply for mentoring organization form all there is? |
| 22:55.02 | sonne | nothing more? |
| 22:55.39 | MatthewWilkes | sonne: What more do you want? |
| 22:55.45 | dan4dm | sonne: what more do you want? |
| 22:56.04 | dan4dm | is like-minded |
| 22:56.06 | sonne | like describing what this project is about we would like to take part with? |
| 22:56.16 | sonne | twins :) |
| 22:56.23 | MatthewWilkes | sonne: Check the timeline, this isn't for students |
| 22:56.30 | MatthewWilkes | This is the form for organisations to apply |
| 22:57.06 | sonne | MatthewWilkes, yes but an organization needs to describe itself and I was assuming also somewhere the project it wants to put forward |
| 22:57.44 | MatthewWilkes | sonne: Organisations don't put forward projects, students do. You DO have to provide a link to a list of ideas |
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| 22:58.19 | sonne | MatthewWilkes, well, the python foundation puts forward python right with some small sub-projects maybe |
| 22:58.51 | MatthewWilkes | No, the python foundation applies, then students apply to the python foundation |
| 22:59.55 | sonne | applies with the list of ideas - that's it? but what do they say in the 'about the organization' field? we are putting forward python? |
| 23:00.14 | sonne | is there maybe an example somewhere from previous years? |
| 23:00.37 | sonne | or are these forms from 200X x<=9 even public? |
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| 23:00.57 | kmels | !timeline |
| 23:00.57 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 23:01.16 | MatthewWilkes | sonne: So you write about the python foundation itself. Who applied for PSF last year? |
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| 23:02.36 | sonne | MatthewWilkes, I simply like to put forward a certain machine learning project we (universities/research institutions) have been developing over the last 10 years - and I find it rather strange to describe the university... |
| 23:02.40 | Beaver | www.search2.net (new search engine) |
| 23:04.48 | MatthewWilkes | sonne: It's the legal entity that will be providing mentors, it's the correct thing to describe |
| 23:04.57 | MatthewWilkes | you'll want to emphasise how you help open source, etc |
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| 23:07.26 | dan4dm | ok nite all |
| 23:08.15 | sonne | MatthewWilkes, and how we did already - OK |
| 23:08.44 | sonne | thanks... |
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| 23:12.33 | socinfo | "next" is March 12 23:00 UTC: Mentor Organization application deadline, see http://bit.ly/adul79 |
| 23:13.00 | ihalip | good night |
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| 23:15.44 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
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