| 00:00.34 | ryuzaki | wow. is an honor for me. you are surely very very expert. |
| 00:01.20 | Erant | Aww, you're making him blush. |
| 00:01.48 | ryuzaki | i'm looking the projects page of last year. that are very hard project. i think that this student are too young than me |
| 00:02.19 | ryuzaki | Erant: eh eh. it's the truth |
| 00:03.21 | MatthewWilkes | ryuzaki: Nonsense! :P Anyway, most Plone developers are a little older than the average here, people generally get started as part of a job after university |
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| 00:03.42 | MatthewWilkes | ryuzaki: We don't even ask our students how old they are or what year of uni they're in, it's not relevant |
| 00:03.57 | Erant | ryuzaki: Oh, don't be daunted by seemingly 'hard' projects. They usually turn out a lot easier than you think. |
| 00:04.11 | Catfish_Man | Erant: yeah, it's the easy-looking ones that turn out hard ;) |
| 00:04.16 | Erant | Ofcourse. |
| 00:04.19 | Catfish_Man | hehehe, I remember finding out that the guy I was mentoring was a year older than me |
| 00:04.42 | MatthewWilkes | Indeed, and for us GSoC is a learning experience. We'd rather have people that are keen to improve themselves than somebody that thinks they know everything |
| 00:05.00 | MatthewWilkes | People that think they know everything are usually really bad coders, for one thing ;) |
| 00:05.20 | MatthewWilkes | Catfish_Man: Spare a thought for dmitrig ;) |
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| 00:05.56 | Erant | MatthewWilkes: Being set in your ways is never good. |
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| 00:06.15 | Erant | ReactOS, that still alive? |
| 00:06.23 | ryuzaki | MatthewWilkes: i know that, but i'm very angry with myself. |
| 00:06.37 | ryuzaki | <MatthewWilkes> People that think they know everything are usually really bad coders, for one thing ;) |
| 00:06.41 | ryuzaki | why? |
| 00:07.02 | Erant | ryuzaki: They don't take criticism very well, so they never improve. |
| 00:07.12 | Catfish_Man | ryuzaki: Nobody knows everything, but the people who realize that are open to learning |
| 00:08.07 | MatthewWilkes | exactly |
| 00:08.14 | Erant | RT|Chatzilla: ReactOS doing GSoC this year then? |
| 00:08.43 | ryuzaki | Erant, Catfish_Man: ahhhh, now i understand. i had understand other thing. oh sure, nobody knows everything. i'm very open to learning. i've an incredible desire to learning and increase |
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| 00:16.07 | ryuzaki | guys thanks for the good night. it's time to bed. tomorrow an algorithm lesson wait for me :D |
| 00:16.22 | Erant | 'nite |
| 00:16.34 | ryuzaki | bye at all |
| 00:16.39 | ryuzaki | night |
| 00:17.00 | casinaroyale | Guys, any ideas which orgs have ideas for this year out? |
| 00:42.53 | RT|Chatzilla | Erant: haven't heard that. |
| 00:49.52 | Erant | RT|Chatzilla: Aight, just wondering, I shared an office with Alex Ionescu for 3 months, so. :) |
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| 06:52.15 | Guest8330 | hello |
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| 06:53.19 | Guest8330 | anyone here? |
| 06:54.19 | Catfish_Man | I'm here, but going to sleep very soon |
| 06:57.04 | Guest8330 | ive got a quick question |
| 06:57.42 | Guest8330 | Do we need recommendations or transcripts for the student application? |
| 06:59.14 | Catfish_Man | a transcript will do for proving student status, I believe |
| 06:59.14 | SukhE | Guest8330: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#student_eligibility |
| 07:00.33 | LawnGnome | Guest8330: You need proof of enrolment. That's often a transcript, but it doesn't _have_ to be a transcript if your university gives you something else: I sent in a copy of my government assistance form, for example. Google aren't interested in your actual marks, just that you're a student. |
| 07:01.47 | thiago_home | and orgs usually aren't interested in your grades either |
| 07:02.27 | Guest8330 | Thank you. |
| 07:02.39 | Guest8330 | Will I need recommendations from Professors or others I've worked with? |
| 07:03.24 | thiago_home | no |
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| 09:11.06 | Grunt_ | morning |
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| 09:29.43 | _Samo | hi morning |
| 09:30.10 | _Samo | our codebase is poorly documented, |
| 09:30.56 | _Samo | we wonder if comenting and documenting our codebase could be an acceptable idea for GSOC |
| 09:31.38 | Grunt_ | not really |
| 09:31.38 | Grunt_ | i believe this question is in the faq |
| 09:31.38 | Grunt_ | !faq |
| 09:31.38 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 09:32.13 | Grunt_ | yeah, there it is - While we greatly appreciate the value of documentation, this program is an exercise in developing code; we can't accept proposals for documentation-only work at this time. |
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| 09:32.36 | _Samo | thanks Grunt_ for the information |
| 09:32.56 | Grunt_ | yw |
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| 10:36.55 | dan4dm | gsoc 2010 user guide has wrong date: "You can expect an email - sent to the address you gave when signing into the system - from Google's Program Administration Team notifying you whether or not your organization was accepted. Emails will be sent on 27 February 2010." |
| 10:37.33 | ojwb | dan4dm: you're not looking at the test system are you? |
| 10:37.49 | dan4dm | ojwb: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/userguide |
| 10:38.13 | ojwb | apparently not! |
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| 10:41.41 | ojwb | dan4dm: probably the best thing to do is mail ospoadmin@gmail.com about it |
| 10:42.42 | ojwb | dan4dm: correct date is probably march 18th |
| 10:43.19 | ojwb | that's when the list is published anyway |
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| 10:55.09 | dan4dm | ojwb: thanks done |
| 11:23.53 | _Samo | as an org administrator, is it melange usable yet to advance some work or we should wait? |
| 11:24.06 | _Samo | *already |
| 11:29.32 | ojwb | _Samo: well, you aren't an org admin yet... |
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| 11:30.00 | ojwb | I belive there's currently a test instance if you want to play, but the live instance won't accept applications until 8th |
| 11:30.41 | _Samo | ok I see things don't start rolling untill the org application is submitted |
| 11:31.10 | _Samo | *and accepted |
| 11:32.57 | ojwb | you submit it through melange |
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| 11:38.20 | _Samo | yes I see |
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| 12:41.52 | Nils^ | hey. Does anyone know if even one GNU project aims to participate in the GSoC? The GNU page still talks about preparing for 2009. |
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| 12:42.08 | Nils^ | the summer-of-code list is not in their mailing-list index. |
| 12:42.39 | loupgaroublond | Nils^, mentor organisations haven't been accepted yet, so no one is officially talking about this summer's plans yet |
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| 12:42.43 | ihalip | you're better off asking them |
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| 12:43.49 | Nils^ | well there are standalone project who do say "We are applying, do you have any ideas?" |
| 12:44.52 | loupgaroublond | yes |
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| 12:45.02 | loupgaroublond | you can always approach an org with ideas |
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| 12:46.36 | Nils^ | I hope they are planning to apply. |
| 12:46.53 | loupgaroublond | you could ask them too :) |
| 12:47.47 | Nils^ | that is the initial problem! |
| 12:48.02 | loupgaroublond | how's that? |
| 12:48.18 | Nils^ | it seems I could very well ask "them" about it. But "them" is unknown and "it" is 2009 |
| 12:48.29 | Nils^ | maybe "GNUs who"... |
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| 15:59.43 | loufoque_ | I still haven't used the money I got from gsoc last year. Anyone knows a good way to use it? |
| 16:00.56 | loupgaroublond | loufoque_, if you have no need for it, i would find a non profit that supports free software, perhaps the non profit for your favorite open source project |
| 16:02.06 | daniloaf | loufoque_, or save it, if you think you'll need it on future |
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| 16:02.32 | loufoque_ | my bad, I have been unclear. I meant a good way to use that money, as it resides in the US, and isn't transferrable to another account. |
| 16:02.59 | daniloaf | loufoque_, did you withdraw it from citi account? |
| 16:03.06 | ajuonline | swipe it to pay your bills? or your parents? |
| 16:03.08 | loufoque_ | no, it's still there |
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| 16:03.38 | loufoque_ | I don't want to pay a ridiculously high conversion rate + ATM fees |
| 16:03.39 | _Samo | loufoque_, donate it to me |
| 16:03.58 | codestasher | there are a lot of _Samo here :P |
| 16:04.21 | daniloaf | loufoque_, but you may withdraw and put it on a savings account |
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| 16:05.57 | loufoque_ | daniloaf: a savings account is going to get me 2.5% percent per year, withdrawing it would make me lose two times that |
| 16:06.38 | loufoque_ | I guess I should just go to citibank in london and ask |
| 16:07.26 | loufoque_ | I hope the accounts will support ACH transfers in gsoc2010 |
| 16:07.56 | daniloaf | hm |
| 16:08.36 | daniloaf | loufoque_, my fear is lost the money to citi :( |
| 16:09.48 | daniloaf | but somebody posted on mail list that he talked to someone from citibank and got that the money will stay there until 2012 |
| 16:09.55 | loufoque_ | I can't even find experiences of how people transferred that money to europe on the internet |
| 16:10.15 | daniloaf | loufoque_, I'm from Brazil, and I needed to withdraw all it |
| 16:11.06 | daniloaf | loufoque_, when I got accepted, the dollar was R$2,30. But when I received the money, it was R$1,90 |
| 16:11.07 | daniloaf | :( |
| 16:11.19 | daniloaf | "world crisis" |
| 16:11.22 | loufoque_ | could you even do that? last time I was in need of money, I couldn't even get more than 500 pounds out of it |
| 16:11.33 | loufoque_ | at an ATM |
| 16:12.00 | spectie | loufoque_, just take it out of the cash machine |
| 16:12.12 | spectie | and accept that you are going to lose some of the money |
| 16:12.20 | daniloaf | loufoque_, here the maximum allowed here is R$1000,00 on each withdraw |
| 16:12.22 | loufoque_ | the machine refused to let me withdraw more than that |
| 16:12.31 | daniloaf | that's about US$600 |
| 16:12.53 | loufoque_ | even changing to another machine didn't do it |
| 16:13.08 | spectie | usually there is a daily withdrawl limits on cards |
| 16:13.21 | spectie | google does it this way because it is easy for them |
| 16:13.33 | loufoque_ | so basically, you need to do it in 20 increments, costing you 5 dollars each? |
| 16:13.36 | spectie | GSOC is adminned by like one person |
| 16:13.44 | spectie | loufoque_, unless you buy something online |
| 16:13.59 | spectie | otherwise yes, you will lose 100$ |
| 16:14.02 | spectie | to the banks |
| 16:14.25 | daniloaf | spearce, not 2? |
| 16:14.28 | loufoque_ | plus the extra money taken during the currency exchange |
| 16:14.37 | loufoque_ | 3% AFAIK |
| 16:14.38 | spectie | loufoque_, yep |
| 16:15.02 | spectie | so you get ~4250$ instead of $4500 |
| 16:15.11 | spectie | if you want it in cash |
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| 16:17.07 | ihalip | hey everyone |
| 16:17.12 | spectie | hey ihalip |
| 16:18.58 | spectie | loufoque_, btw if you can find a better way than prepaid credit cards that 1) works all over the world, 2) is not more administrative hassle, 3) saves money for GSOCers --- i'm sure lh would love to hear about it |
| 16:19.31 | spectie | oh, and 4) works for people without bank accounts |
| 16:19.45 | Landon | tshirts!@ |
| 16:19.49 | spectie | lol Landon |
| 16:19.55 | loufoque_ | spectie: it would be fine if the accounts allowed bank transfers |
| 16:20.03 | spectie | loufoque_, they aren't accouns |
| 16:20.06 | spectie | *accounts |
| 16:20.18 | loufoque_ | spectie: as a matter of fact, prepaid citi accounts can support it, it's just a small extra. |
| 16:20.23 | spectie | google has not opened a bank account for every student |
| 16:20.44 | spectie | how much extra ? |
| 16:20.58 | spectie | then multiply it by the number of accounts |
| 16:22.02 | loufoque_ | I would say 4) is irrelevant anyway. If you don't have a bank account, quite a lot of jobs won't pay you. |
| 16:22.07 | spectie | loufoque_, yes |
| 16:22.14 | spectie | loufoque_, but you can apply to GSOC |
| 16:22.23 | spectie | and in many countries around the world getting a bank account is difficult |
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| 16:22.38 | spectie | would you like to disadvantage or dissuade students from those countries applying ? |
| 16:22.57 | spectie | also, having different payment mechanisms would generate more administrative hassle (2) |
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| 16:25.48 | spectie | ok bbiab all |
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| 16:34.37 | ideamonk | So is a person allowed to apply for more than one idea in the same organization? Say organization foo has two ideas A and B, and I'm interested in both? |
| 16:35.20 | ihalip | sure |
| 16:35.30 | ihalip | but you can only be accepted for one of them |
| 16:35.49 | ajuonline | ideamonk: 20 applications is the limit. send it to any |
| 16:36.11 | ideamonk | that clears it, thanks. |
| 16:36.31 | loufoque_ | ideamonk: you may also apply for your own original ideas |
| 16:37.17 | loufoque_ | but applying for an existing idea is probably a better way to ensure you're going to get picked |
| 16:37.19 | ideamonk | loufoque_, and in that case should I put up my idea to mentors before the organization applies for gsoc or I can do that in student application period too ? |
| 16:37.52 | ajuonline | sooner you start talking the better |
| 16:37.55 | loufoque_ | you can do it in any order you like, though it might be better to determinate whether there is interest first |
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| 16:38.40 | ideamonk | alright. Thx loufoque_ ajuonline ihalip |
| 16:38.51 | loufoque_ | s/determinate/determine/ |
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| 17:04.20 | ihalip | hey |
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| 18:13.05 | lh | spectie: i sure would love to hear it, payments has always been tough |
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| 18:17.11 | carldani | hi |
| 18:18.29 | lh | carldani: hello |
| 18:18.51 | carldani | lh: wow, I didn't expect such a fast response |
| 18:19.17 | thebolt | Evening |
| 18:19.31 | kblin | evening |
| 18:19.55 | lh | thebolt: greetings |
| 18:19.57 | lh | kblin: hail |
| 18:20.01 | carldani | lh: I have a problem which probably can be answered easily by you, but which I'm unable to figure out the preferred solution for. |
| 18:20.05 | lh | carldani: eh, inbox is a bit lighter this morning |
| 18:20.08 | lh | carldani: go for it |
| 18:20.49 | kblin | hey lh, how's life? |
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| 18:21.36 | carldani | The last few years, coreboot (opensource fast BIOS replacement) has participated successfully in GSoC. Between GSoC last year and today, flashrom (a former daugther project of coreboot) grew up to a point where it got its own mailing lists, project web site, and developer team. |
| 18:21.53 | lh | ok |
| 18:21.58 | carldani | coreboot and flashrom developers are friends and (in some cases) identical. |
| 18:22.35 | carldani | Now the question is: Should we apply as two separate orgs (more paperwork for Google and for us, but maybe a better chance to get slots) or as one "big" org? |
| 18:23.18 | carldani | coreboot donated one slot back to the GSoC program last year because not all applications weren't good enough to justify spending Google's money on them. |
| 18:24.04 | carldani | This year, some seasoned developers have suggested they might apply as students, so we expect a high success rate for all slots (well, if we get any). |
| 18:24.10 | lh | i would do one big org |
| 18:24.29 | carldani | After donating one slot back, we used 4 slots last year. |
| 18:24.41 | lh | we know coreboot, not so much flashrom. have flashrom projects under coreboot umbrella. if it makes sense to apply as separate orgs in 2011, then you are better prepared to make that case. |
| 18:25.19 | carldani | OK, thanks. I guess it would be helpful to mention that coreboot is the parent project of flashrom and that flashrom has some worthwhile tasks as well. |
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| 18:25.46 | lh | carldani: exactly |
| 18:25.58 | carldani | lh: dhendrix@google knows about flashrom (just in case you want a second opinion) |
| 18:26.22 | carldani | lh: Many thanks for your advice, I'll change the coreboot application draft to reflect this. |
| 18:26.56 | lh | carldani: wonderful, sounds great. i am sure dhendrix will say great things about you. |
| 18:27.22 | carldani | I hope so ;-)( |
| 18:27.24 | carldani | I hope so ;-) |
| 18:27.49 | lh | eh, if not, don't send him chocolates |
| 18:28.00 | thebolt | hehe |
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| 18:28.41 | carldani | Sending useful code as a bribe often works pretty well... |
| 18:29.06 | lh | that too. but chocolate is more tasty. |
| 18:30.26 | kblin | lh: which reminds me, it looks like samba and openchange will join forces for gsoc |
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| 18:35.27 | carldani | curse my chocolate allergy. |
| 18:35.43 | thebolt | carldani: i will gladly help you, just send it this way ;) |
| 18:36.39 | lh | ^5s thebolt |
| 18:37.16 | kblin | :) |
| 18:37.24 | thebolt | lh: we can split it 50/50 ;) |
| 18:38.24 | kblin | hehe |
| 18:38.57 | thebolt | bah, i hate this damn cold.. oh well, next winter i plan to be somewhere else, but then of course it will be a warm winter :P |
| 18:39.06 | lh | thebolt: i will take it! |
| 18:40.28 | thebolt | best friend had 25C yesterday when he went home from the office.. i had -15C and ice-roads :/ |
| 18:42.10 | kblin | thebolt: well, I had abpve zero temperatures, but to make up for that, I have a cold myself |
| 18:42.33 | thebolt | kblin: sucks |
| 18:42.54 | thebolt | oh well, I made the decision to move back east for at least another year.. maybe more |
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| 18:45.10 | kblin | ah, taiwan again? |
| 18:45.14 | thebolt | given the time i move though it will more be super-hot and typhoons for a while, but maybe a bit better winter |
| 18:45.18 | thebolt | yep |
| 18:46.12 | thebolt | I grow up just outside this town, been living there and here for 25 of my 26 years.. feel like getting away now that I finish my degree.. and Taiwan I know I can survive, have more friends there than anywhere else and it is quite enjoyable |
| 18:47.16 | kblin | if you happen to wander around the Neihu District of Taipei and feel in need of a CD Duplicator, holler and I can send you the business card of a nice lady working at a company producing those ;) |
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| 18:47.42 | thebolt | Hehe |
| 18:48.02 | thebolt | well, Neihu I'll most probably be in sometime.. it is a very businessy area ;) |
| 18:48.02 | yuvrajtomar | Hi LH, I was going through your video where you stated that "Do not feel intimidated" in regards to applying for GSoC. Though I was kinda intimidated by the fact that most organizations ask for "previous development experiences" in their proposals. As I am somewhat new to the Open Source Development community, so is this going to be a matter of concern while applying for GSoC 10? |
| 18:48.14 | thebolt | I probably won't feel in need of a cd duplicator though :P |
| 18:48.25 | kblin | is just on his way home from the cebit business expo |
| 18:48.33 | thebolt | kblin: ah,nice :) |
| 18:49.05 | kblin | well, my feet and back hurt a bit, three days of standing around at a booth is less fun than it sounds |
| 18:49.22 | thebolt | true |
| 18:49.30 | yuvrajtomar | ... though I am quite proficient with C/C++ and have a good exposure to IT (thanks to my engineering background), but would knowledge substitute experience? |
| 18:49.33 | lh | kblin: how was the cebit? good, bad indifferent? I hear mixed things about it each year. |
| 18:50.01 | thebolt | i did 2½ days at ECTS in london a couple of years ago |
| 18:50.08 | thebolt | was so-so.. |
| 18:50.18 | lh | yuvrajtomar: the answer is honestly that it depends. have you written code before? if so that counts as previous development experience. talk about the work you have done and your accomplishments. not every project expects you to have done open source before. |
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| 18:51.38 | Dark_Shikari | remember, gsoc is mostly students, people _without_ experience in open source |
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| 18:52.26 | yuvrajtomar | Yes, I have some coding experience in C++ and Java. But nothing related to open source. |
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| 18:53.04 | Catfish_Man | open source is just software development |
| 18:53.25 | Dark_Shikari | we have only had one student ever who had significant previous open source experience |
| 18:53.25 | Catfish_Man | your code doesn't suddenly stop working 'cause it's GPL-licensed ;) |
| 18:53.32 | daniloaf | Dark_Shikari, right. I was a GSoC student last year, and got accepted with no experiences with open source community |
| 18:53.45 | yuvrajtomar | that's great! |
| 18:53.46 | thebolt | Catfish_Man: unless it is open source hardware ;) |
| 18:54.12 | daniloaf | and now, I'm on the community :) |
| 18:54.24 | kblin | lh: well, attendance was a bit low on tuesday, picked up a bit today and yesterday |
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| 18:55.23 | yuvrajtomar | I wish to be a part of GSoC this year, and I have been browsing through a lot of mentoring organizations of my interest, but that's the intimidating factor everyone asks for experience. Talking about this topic over here turned out to be more of a relief |
| 18:55.53 | kblin | but overall I'd say we didn't expect much and weren't disappointed |
| 18:56.25 | daniloaf | yuvrajtomar, generally, the organizations says what kind of student they want |
| 18:57.10 | kblin | yuvrajtomar: get in touch with the orgs you're interested now, and get some experience ;) |
| 18:57.22 | daniloaf | yuvrajtomar, and in many cases, they want more hard students than students with knowledge |
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| 18:58.00 | yuvrajtomar | I am interested to work for Tux4kids, I have developed an idea which I wish to implement, but their IRC channel seems to be somewhat inactive, are there any tux4kids people over here with whom I can discuss my idea? |
| 18:58.02 | lh | kblin: on the phone one sec |
| 18:58.15 | yuvrajtomar | thank you daniloaf, kblin and lh! |
| 18:58.16 | kblin | yuvrajtomar: on a more serious note, getting to know the orgs you're interested in is always a good idea |
| 18:58.43 | daniloaf | yuvrajtomar, try on mail lists |
| 18:58.55 | yuvrajtomar | alright! |
| 18:58.58 | kblin | yuvrajtomar: you might want to drop by on the mailing list if irc is a bit slow |
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| 19:00.39 | yuvrajtomar | I'm a bit reluctant to jump on the mailing lists all too soon, as my idea might not be precise and to the point. I guess being unprofessional on the mailing lists comes out to be a turn-off |
| 19:01.15 | kblin | yuvrajtomar: unprofessional is different from being new to a project |
| 19:01.36 | kblin | it's ok to be a newb, it's not ok to be unprofessional |
| 19:01.50 | schumaml | unprofessional is html, things like "u" and "r", full quotes, ... ;) |
| 19:02.22 | schumaml | (i.e please do not use google mail :>) |
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| 19:02.56 | Kosma | unprofessional is also endlessly bragging about what you are going to do, and then not doing it |
| 19:03.00 | Kosma | this happens way too often |
| 19:03.22 | daniloaf | and everybody was newb one day :) |
| 19:03.33 | yuvrajtomar | should I draft my idea into a proper proposal, or just drop a hint like "hey I have an idea, its <this>, let's do it". Sorry for being so vague about this :P |
| 19:03.50 | lh | unprofessional is coming in with a bunch of criticisms about this sucks or that sucks but not asking questions about why a decision was made a particular way. |
| 19:04.07 | lh | for example, ask if there is a document or thread in the archive about "foo" so you can research it better |
| 19:04.16 | schumaml | yuvrajtomar: present a short overview and ask if the idea is viable |
| 19:04.16 | kblin | off for dinner, bbl |
| 19:04.39 | lh | yuvrajtomar: your own idea is a proper proposal. talk to the org(s) in the 1.5 weeks before proposals are due to refine your ideas |
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| 19:06.14 | yuvrajtomar | thanks for the info, I'll do that! |
| 19:06.23 | daniloaf | :) |
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| 19:23.10 | lh | straydawg: greets! |
| 19:23.25 | lh | dhaun: what an awesome response on the discussion list. thank you! |
| 19:23.35 | lh | goes to link this thread from the advice for students page |
| 19:24.03 | dhaun | bows |
| 19:24.29 | Dark_Shikari | yuvrajtomar: usually it's advisable to get involved with the project at some point |
| 19:24.36 | Dark_Shikari | i.e. before you say "here's what I want to do" |
| 19:24.40 | Dark_Shikari | hang out on IRC and learn how things work, etc |
| 19:25.02 | _Samo | hi |
| 19:25.26 | _Samo | does anybody know how much time takes to mentors every week mentoring? |
| 19:25.31 | _Samo | average times |
| 19:25.41 | Dark_Shikari | 1 to 15 hours, depending on your student and you. |
| 19:25.58 | Dark_Shikari | yuvrajtomar: http://pastebin.org/101258 here's my guide I sent to a student who asked me some questions, I think you'll find it useful |
| 19:26.10 | yuvrajtomar | yea sure |
| 19:26.14 | _Samo | well for an average competent student? |
| 19:26.19 | yuvrajtomar | thank you for sharing it! |
| 19:26.45 | lh | Dark_Shikari: can you publish that guide somewhere that I can link to from the student advice wiki page? |
| 19:26.56 | Dark_Shikari | lh: parts are a bit specific to the project |
| 19:26.58 | lh | Dark_Shikari: if you would not mind, obviously it is your information to share or not |
| 19:27.00 | Dark_Shikari | er, my project |
| 19:27.18 | Dark_Shikari | and the last section is a bit "bragging" IMO if it were to be published on the official page or something |
| 19:27.22 | lh | Dark_Shikari: that's ok, i can mention in the write up that there's a lot of organization specific advice (i saw that) but there is very helpful data in there nonetheless. |
| 19:27.26 | Dark_Shikari | true. |
| 19:27.42 | Dark_Shikari | ok, I'll stick it on my host. one moment |
| 19:27.50 | lh | Dark_Shikari: would you have time to edit it to be less org specific? i really like the information, if we could make it most widely useful, that is terrific. |
| 19:28.50 | Dark_Shikari | well I think the org-specific parts are one of the reasons it's useful, in that it says not only how things are generally done |
| 19:28.54 | Dark_Shikari | but what _we_ do |
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| 19:28.57 | Dark_Shikari | so you get a feel for what real projects do |
| 19:29.03 | _Samo | Dark_Shikari, I wonder wether the mentor's workloads increases or decreases as the project progresses, what's your experience on this? |
| 19:29.05 | Dark_Shikari | also, from past usage, I've found the last section is the most useful |
| 19:29.13 | Dark_Shikari | i.e. to tell students why they shouldn't be intimidated. |
| 19:29.25 | lh | Dark_Shikari: either way, fine by me. i can position it appropriately on the page. |
| 19:29.27 | Dark_Shikari | _Samo: basically it depends on the project and student. I find the load is greater at the start, lower in the middle, greater at the end. |
| 19:29.36 | Dark_Shikari | at the start you need to teach the student a lot and answer a lot of questions |
| 19:29.40 | Dark_Shikari | if he's not asking questions, he's likely failing |
| 19:29.52 | Dark_Shikari | at the end, you need to do rapidfire patch review all the time |
| 19:30.07 | Dark_Shikari | in the middle, the student should be mostly on his own. obviously still questions, help requests, so forth, but much less than before. |
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| 19:34.01 | _Samo | Dark_Shikari: thanks |
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| 19:38.32 | daniloaf | I think the remaining questions are mostly about next steps, priorities, etc. |
| 19:39.41 | kblin | _Samo: I'd agree with Dark_Shikari's assessment on mentor load |
| 19:39.57 | kblin | both from mentor and student side :) |
| 19:40.33 | _Samo | 15 hours seems a big high |
| 19:41.00 | _Samo | I don't know whether we can ask our mentors such level of mentoring work |
| 19:41.09 | _Samo | *a bit |
| 19:41.24 | _Samo | but yes I depens on the student as well |
| 19:41.35 | ihalip | 15 hours per week is indeed too much |
| 19:41.52 | kblin | well, some of the simple questions you can spread across the community |
| 19:42.10 | daniloaf | well, my only contact with my mentor was with email. Rarely we talked on irc |
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| 19:42.33 | kblin | remember that theese are min/max values |
| 19:42.38 | dhaun | I'd say it could be up to 15 hours/week in the critical phases, the overall average is probably closer to 8 hours |
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| 19:43.19 | kblin | what dhaun said |
| 19:43.56 | ihalip | will try to not stress his mentor too much |
| 19:44.04 | kblin | actually, unless your student is doing very well, only interacting 1h/week is a sign things are going sour |
| 19:44.05 | ihalip | if i will be accepted, of course :) |
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| 19:50.44 | kai___ | meh |
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| 19:51.26 | kai | there we go |
| 19:51.43 | kai | the ssh connection made typing a bit too painful |
| 19:52.35 | kai | anyway, as I was saying.. the 1-15h/week includes reviewing code after all |
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| 19:53.25 | straydawg | lh: hello :) |
| 19:54.04 | kai | and unless your student already knows the code, I would be very surprised if you only needed to spend 1 hour/week looking at their code |
| 19:55.23 | thebolt | remember a project i mentored a couple of years ago.. took me pretty much two weeks full-time to get into the maths needed/used int hat project :P |
| 19:55.54 | thebolt | so it can vary quite a bit ;) |
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| 19:58.02 | Dark_Shikari | I would say the overall average is like 3-6 hours |
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| 19:58.09 | Dark_Shikari | _but_ availability is more important than time |
| 19:58.14 | Dark_Shikari | i.e. you have to be _available_ for a lot of hours |
| 19:58.20 | Dark_Shikari | on IRC for questions, etc |
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| 20:00.30 | Dark_Shikari | http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents hmm, where's the edit button? |
| 20:00.40 | lh | Dark_Shikari: there isn't one. it's not really a wiki |
| 20:00.41 | lh | er |
| 20:00.42 | lh | well |
| 20:00.42 | lh | anyway |
| 20:00.45 | lh | i can link it |
| 20:01.41 | Dark_Shikari | oh. it's not a wiki |
| 20:01.41 | Dark_Shikari | lol |
| 20:01.56 | Dark_Shikari | uploads it somewhere |
| 20:02.10 | kai | you could add it to the mentor wiki |
| 20:02.51 | summatusmentis | maybe it shouldn't have /wiki/ in the url then :-) |
| 20:02.52 | Dark_Shikari | http://mirror05.x264.nl/Dark/x264%20gsoc%20guide.txt |
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| 20:03.02 | Dark_Shikari | there's it uploaded to my site |
| 20:04.09 | araujo | hands a flower to lh |
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| 20:05.01 | summatusmentis | *cough*suck up*cough* |
| 20:05.31 | ihalip | araujo: valentine's was last month |
| 20:05.32 | ihalip | :P |
| 20:05.39 | daniloaf | too late |
| 20:07.18 | lh | ahem |
| 20:07.40 | lh | muchas gracias mi amigo araujo, me gustan muchos las floras |
| 20:07.43 | lh | i think i said that right |
| 20:07.46 | araujo | hehe |
| 20:07.51 | lh | did I? |
| 20:08.06 | araujo | lh, flores! , but you got it :) |
| 20:08.16 | araujo | lh, como estas amiga? |
| 20:08.35 | kai | looks good enough, for someone whose spanish is limited to "una cervesa, por favor" |
| 20:08.39 | daniloaf | araujo for a moment, I thought you were brazilian :~ |
| 20:08.45 | daniloaf | I have "araujo" on my name |
| 20:08.53 | araujo | :) |
| 20:09.07 | daniloaf | ^^ |
| 20:09.11 | lh | araujo: muy bien gracias. flores, got it. |
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| 20:10.57 | araujo | :) |
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| 20:12.38 | red9 | may I ask a question about gsoc? |
| 20:12.56 | araujo | go for it |
| 20:13.02 | red9 | thank you |
| 20:13.04 | red9 | well |
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| 20:13.58 | red9 | my degree is planned for april |
| 20:14.06 | red9 | and i'll start a master on october |
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| 20:14.18 | red9 | so i'd like to partecipate to gsoc |
| 20:14.21 | red9 | this summer |
| 20:14.30 | mchua | lh: lots o' under-constructionness here, but here's the first braindump I've done on genericizing the gsoc process: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA90e32xqKM |
| 20:14.34 | red9 | but tecnically, from march to october |
| 20:14.45 | red9 | i won't be a student |
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| 20:14.59 | red9 | can i partecipate to gsoc anyway? |
| 20:15.03 | mchua | lh: not a big deal, no response needed, but thought you might enjoy seeing it. 7 minutes of what I later learned is a "swim lane." |
| 20:15.21 | kai | !timeline |
| 20:15.21 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 20:15.56 | summatusmentis | red9: as I understand it, you have to have proof of enrollment by April <whenever the date is> |
| 20:16.15 | summatusmentis | which means if you can prove that you're starting a masters program in october, you're probably fine? |
| 20:16.15 | kai | right |
| 20:16.21 | red9 | yes |
| 20:16.36 | kai | er, not sure about that one |
| 20:17.11 | kai | but ask lh for the borderline cases |
| 20:17.34 | red9 | thanks |
| 20:17.36 | kai | but technically you'll have to prove that you'll be a student during the program |
| 20:17.48 | red9 | that's the point |
| 20:17.58 | red9 | during the program i WON'T be a student |
| 20:18.07 | red9 | i'm a student until april |
| 20:18.18 | kai | until when in april? :) |
| 20:18.25 | red9 | i will be a student from about 15 september |
| 20:18.39 | red9 | i really don't know the official date |
| 20:19.03 | red9 | i think it's until the 10th |
| 20:19.08 | red9 | or something like that |
| 20:19.32 | schumaml | maybe read the faq, at least before answering? |
| 20:20.02 | summatusmentis | !faq |
| 20:20.02 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 20:20.12 | red9 | i read the faq |
| 20:20.23 | red9 | but i dind't find an answer for my case |
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| 20:21.41 | lh | one sec on the phone |
| 20:22.40 | schumaml | "proof of enrollment or admission status" |
| 20:24.51 | schumaml | I'd guess that you should have the latter |
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| 20:37.02 | lh | i am going to grab a bite to eat and then will read the scroll back |
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| 20:37.15 | kai | yay, food |
| 20:38.04 | kai | seeker for information, patient s/he was not |
| 20:41.08 | lh | red9: will you be considered enrolled as of april 26, 2010? |
| 20:41.29 | lh | mchua: viewing video while om nom noming |
| 20:41.49 | kai | lh: red9 (~red@93.37.244.45) has left #gsoc |
| 20:42.09 | lh | chrome hates this video. switching to FF. |
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| 20:43.25 | Catfish_Man | lh: red9 left |
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| 20:46.30 | lh | ah well, perhaps red9 shall return |
| 20:46.34 | lh | all hail carols |
| 20:46.42 | carols | thanks lh :-) |
| 20:47.12 | Catfish_Man | waves |
| 20:47.42 | lh | Catfish_Man: how are you? |
| 20:48.59 | Catfish_Man | lh: sick :( |
| 20:49.02 | Catfish_Man | getting better though |
| 20:49.08 | mchua | lh: omnomnom! /me waits for impending rush of bug reports, mostly trying to figure out where my thinking is horribly wrong ;) |
| 20:49.17 | carols | waves to everyone |
| 20:50.17 | lh | Catfish_Man: i am sorry to hear that, sucks. tea, i recommend tea. |
| 20:50.23 | lh | mchua: i love your giant flow chart! |
| 20:50.32 | Catfish_Man | I'm trying to slightly cut back on tea ;) but yes, I agree |
| 20:50.33 | lh | carols: check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA90e32xqKM |
| 20:50.34 | Catfish_Man | how're you? |
| 20:50.38 | lh | carols: warning, no marmots |
| 20:50.42 | Erant | Tea and/or large quantities of coffee |
| 20:50.43 | lh | Catfish_Man: very well thank you. |
| 20:51.07 | carols | lh: awesome! i love it! |
| 20:51.15 | carols | that's true, though, no marmots. |
| 20:51.36 | mchua | lh: Is it... about right? I have *no idea* how far off base I am. |
| 20:51.45 | mchua | carols: if I learn how to do videoediting I can put in marmots. :) |
| 20:51.49 | lh | carols: meet mchua, she is likely the biggest expert of FOSS in education there is. |
| 20:51.58 | lh | mchua: lgtm so far, watching again |
| 20:52.13 | carols | mchua: so nice to meet you :-) i would also suffice with guinea pigs. ;-) |
| 20:52.21 | Catfish_Man | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9R3jVLXuxI |
| 20:52.27 | spectie | hello everyone |
| 20:52.28 | Catfish_Man | warning: marmots |
| 20:52.34 | spectie | marmots :| |
| 20:52.53 | mchua | Awwwwww! |
| 20:53.28 | carols | awwww is right! |
| 20:53.42 | mchua | carols: actually, I hang out with the people who /are/ FOSS in education experts and listen a lot, it's all reflected sunlight. :) |
| 20:54.18 | lh | yay money indeed |
| 20:54.22 | Erant | 'experts at FOSS education'? |
| 20:54.52 | carols | mchua: well that is awesome either way, I love FOSS in education |
| 20:55.13 | mchua | carols: some of us hang out in teachingopensource.org - still a relatively quiet place, but good people. |
| 20:55.16 | lh | Erant: believe it or not there are lots of people (well, like 8) trying to get foss taught in all areas of computer science education instead of the usual curriculum |
| 20:55.25 | lh | it's a nice channel, i should get my butt back in there |
| 20:55.31 | mchua | lh: it's a very, very quiet channel. |
| 20:55.32 | carols | mchua: cool. i will check it out |
| 20:55.43 | Erant | lh: Oh, no, I just misread. Brain fart. |
| 20:55.51 | Erant | lays off the booze |
| 20:55.53 | mchua | carols: my main project in there is http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE - bootcamps for profs interested in FOSS |
| 20:56.28 | mchua | if you want to teach your students how to contribute to FOSS but you've never contributed yourself, that's a week you spend hanging out in a FOSS project learning how to use version control, submit patches, what a release cycle looks like, etc. |
| 20:56.35 | lh | Erant: be careful about that. your body needs fuels. :) you might also try pasta. |
| 20:56.55 | mchua | carols: and then those kinds of profs become catalysts and get their students excited about things like gsoc, is the hope. |
| 20:57.02 | lh | mchua: i love it. do you want me to post to identi.ca, etc. for further feedback? |
| 20:57.03 | mchua | gsoc for students, posse for profs, is the way I think about it. |
| 20:57.10 | mchua | lh: That... would be great, actually! |
| 20:57.14 | lh | mchu |
| 20:57.17 | lh | erg. yay me. |
| 20:57.18 | mchua | furiously tries to clean up the wiki pages it points to |
| 20:57.26 | lh | mchua: you tell me when you are ready |
| 20:57.42 | mchua | gimme 10 minutes to do a quick "THIS IS A DRAFT!" cleanup rush |
| 20:57.43 | lh | mchua: you work for gregdek, right? |
| 20:57.48 | lh | i owe him mail. i need to do that. |
| 20:57.51 | carols | mchua: awesome, awesome stuff! |
| 20:57.52 | mchua | lh: same team as gregdek, we both work for spevack |
| 20:57.53 | lh | you clean, i will bug your boss. :) |
| 20:57.59 | mchua | grins |
| 20:58.03 | mchua | salutes |
| 20:58.06 | lh | wonders who spevack is and then rememebers it is a dude named max |
| 20:59.05 | kai | sighs |
| 20:59.11 | Erant | k, laid off the booze for long enough. |
| 20:59.12 | lh | carols: i have a meetup that needs to go on the program calendar. would you like to add it? then i can laud your awesome (even more) :) |
| 20:59.20 | lh | ROTFLMAO |
| 20:59.27 | lh | slides a beer down the bar to Erant |
| 20:59.28 | carols | lh: sure, just send me along the details |
| 20:59.32 | lh | good show old man |
| 20:59.35 | lh | carols: thank you! |
| 20:59.44 | carols | lh: of course! |
| 21:00.49 | lh | carols: it is always a good thing to include a link back to the meetups list post so folks can ask questions, but you already know this so why am i telling you? |
| 21:01.00 | lh | shuts up, sits on free couch, sips iced tea, watches carols have mojo |
| 21:01.48 | Erant | shuts up, sits on couch, sips liquer. |
| 21:01.50 | Erant | I win. |
| 21:01.50 | carols | lh: oh absolutely, makes sense. i would rather hear something twice than not at all :-) |
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| 21:02.01 | carols | gets on the couch |
| 21:02.12 | carols | nice drinks you guys got here |
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| 21:05.05 | quaid | mchua: careful padewan, don't cut yourself with the light saber |
| 21:05.10 | lh | Erant: so competitive you. |
| 21:05.11 | carols | lh: how's that look for the calendar entry? |
| 21:05.15 | lh | carols: looking |
| 21:05.36 | lh | carols: be warned, when it comes to calendar entries i have been sucking lately, at lunch time specifically |
| 21:05.42 | lh | just ask borja, except he's not here |
| 21:06.15 | carols | lh: no worries - i speak to the masters of space and time who work here when i have trouble with calendars |
| 21:07.27 | mchua | still picking up the power converters from Toshi station, bbiab |
| 21:07.53 | kai | right, remember to drop speed before that bend in beggar's canyon |
| 21:08.18 | ojwb | waves to lh |
| 21:09.20 | lh | ojwb: hello my friend how goes? |
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| 21:09.58 | ojwb | exciting day - our stuff shipped from the UK just arrived |
| 21:10.20 | lh | ojwb: woo!! |
| 21:10.21 | ojwb | that left just before the mentor manual sprint, so it has been a while |
| 21:11.07 | thebolt | ojwb: where do you live and how many metric tonnes was that? ;) |
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| 21:11.35 | ojwb | thebolt: dunno about the weight, but it was 5 cubic metres |
| 21:12.02 | ojwb | the charge by volume for sea shipping |
| 21:12.09 | ojwb | oh, and to NZ |
| 21:13.01 | ojwb | took longer than it should as the ship it was meant to go on couldn't dock in the uk due to bad weather |
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| 21:19.15 | mchua | lh: Sorry, got into perfectionism mode for a few minutes there |
| 21:19.33 | mchua | lh: can haz blast original video, also available is http://blog.melchua.com/2010/03/04/summer-of-code-swimchart-now-with-more-generic/ with more context |
| 21:19.47 | mchua | but I'm fine with people hitting https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_SIG as it stands now, and I'll continue shoveling in the background :) |
| 21:20.15 | mchua | lh: you've gotten me to do more on this in 30 minutes than I've done in the past *week* - thank you! |
| 21:20.23 | lh | mchua: wait i am sorry, are you ready for me to blast out the video link? |
| 21:20.34 | lh | and if so, should i include a URL to the wiki too? |
| 21:20.56 | lh | wanders off for a minute |
| 21:21.33 | mchua | lh: Ready for blasting - http://blog.melchua.com/2010/03/04/summer-of-code-swimchart-now-with-more-generic/ is probably the best link to blast since it's got everything (wiki links, video, context) |
| 21:21.52 | lh | reads |
| 21:22.35 | mchua | lh: but blasting either the video or https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_SIG is cool by me too, whichever you like. |
| 21:22.35 | lh | mchua: you on identi.ca or twitter with @mchua? |
| 21:22.38 | mchua | lh: Both, yeah |
| 21:22.42 | mchua | doesn't use 'em much though |
| 21:22.43 | lh | okay thanks brb |
| 21:22.45 | mchua | gets distracted easy :) |
| 21:22.51 | lh | that's ok, it's more for citation purposes |
| 21:24.09 | lh | Thoughts from @mchua on using the Google Summer of Code model for other open source deliverables http://bit.ly/dkaSU6 |
| 21:24.14 | lh | mchua: work for you? |
| 21:24.54 | mchua | lh: worksforme, thanks! |
| 21:25.40 | Erant | lh: Hot damn, you have twice as many followers as I do. |
| 21:25.46 | lh | how cute. ping.fm has not posted any of my updates for today. |
| 21:25.49 | lh | mrphs |
| 21:28.50 | lh | ah ha! I suspect my identi.ca posts are not propagating to the twitter. |
| 21:29.00 | lh | okay, enough of my interior monologue in the #gsoc |
| 21:30.06 | summatusmentis | no no, I like it |
| 21:30.14 | summatusmentis | or, at least put more of it on twitter :-P |
| 21:37.35 | lh | captcha right now on facebook "consorts improve" |
| 21:37.44 | lh | i can't help but reading into that a bit |
| 21:37.48 | Catfish_Man | do they really |
| 21:37.49 | Catfish_Man | good to know |
| 21:37.58 | lh | Catfish_Man: so it would seem. or so sayeth fb |
| 21:38.10 | Catfish_Man | they would know, given what I've heard of their corporate culture |
| 21:38.15 | lh | and apparently "services snugly" |
| 21:38.22 | lh | Catfish_Man: also good to know. |
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| 21:41.27 | Catfish_Man | (mostly joking) |
| 21:41.29 | straydawg | wonders what Catfish_Man (or anyone else) has heard of fb corporate culture |
| 21:41.44 | straydawg | is curious, not secretly an FBer or anything |
| 21:41.46 | Catfish_Man | straydawg: it's apparently extremely relaxed |
| 21:41.50 | straydawg | Catfish_Man: great! |
| 21:42.05 | Catfish_Man | also all the FBers I've met make Mac fanatics seem like rational non-biased people |
| 21:42.10 | Catfish_Man | total scary cult vibe going on |
| 21:42.32 | Erant | Catfish_Man: Define 'mac fanatic'... |
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| 21:42.41 | lh | Catfish_Man: really? i never spend much time with FBers |
| 21:42.53 | lh | straydawg: me too. i can haz gossip? |
| 21:43.11 | straydawg | lh: you certainly can |
| 21:43.49 | Catfish_Man | Erant: it seems pretty self-explanatory to me |
| 21:43.51 | straydawg | lh: i could tell you a thing or two about our dept secretary..! (it might be boring though) |
| 21:44.06 | Erant | Actually, I remember partying with several FBers. They seemed normal. Interns though. |
| 21:44.07 | straydawg | lh: i don't know anything (else) about fb culture though |
| 21:46.11 | lh | straydawg: oh i don't know. not that boring. |
| 21:46.14 | Catfish_Man | Erant: but, to quote Dictionary.app, "a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal" |
| 21:46.22 | lh | Erant: interns were not yet totally suckered into the crazy |
| 21:46.28 | Kosma | what do you mean by FB? |
| 21:46.34 | Catfish_Man | Kosma: facebook |
| 21:46.40 | Kosma | aaagh! don't say that word |
| 21:46.48 | lh | Kosma: failbook? |
| 21:46.55 | Kosma | noo |
| 21:46.58 | Kosma | it's worse than Ni! |
| 21:47.03 | Kosma | ;) |
| 21:47.07 | straydawg | Ning? |
| 21:47.15 | lh | and the knights who say it! |
| 21:47.36 | Kosma | oh no, not the knights who say Ni! |
| 21:47.41 | Catfish_Man | hm. I should start packing up stuff in my office |
| 21:47.44 | Catfish_Man | moving day is tomorrow! |
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| 21:50.47 | quaid | mchua_afk: regarding dynamite, you'd be surprised how hard it can be to light your own fuse after you've packed the garage. YAPower of community is others willingness to hold your hand or just go, "Here, let me light that for ya." |
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| 21:53.57 | anth_x | this generics youtube vid is very nice. |
| 21:55.02 | lh | anth_x: i dig it. |
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| 22:01.18 | quaid | lh: thanks for public support of the idea of a meta-SoC framework and people doing that sort of thing; I know you all have been in favor for, like, forever, but people have seemed reticent to really go for it. |
| 22:02.09 | Erant | Catfish_Man: Aight, just wondering :P I'm all Appled up since recently. |
| 22:02.25 | Catfish_Man | Erant: I work on Mac OS X for a living, so I'm definitely not being anti-Mac here ;) |
| 22:02.26 | anth_x | i believe i found a bug, though, at least to the extent it's reflecting GSoC: seems like there ought to be another "cash bubble" for payouts to mentor orgs, no? |
| 22:02.32 | lh | quaid: let's hope that changes |
| 22:02.39 | lh | goes to a meeting |
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| 22:03.16 | Erant | Catfish_Man: At Apple? |
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| 22:03.19 | Catfish_Man | yeah |
| 22:03.42 | quaid | anth_x: yes, although perhaps dotted-bubble |
| 22:04.25 | quaid | anth_x: I posted my bug in the youtube comments (the missing [help] 'tween mentors-students), that probably works for now -- keep the fixes in the noed |
| 22:04.36 | quaid | s/noed/node/ |
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| 22:07.00 | spectie | thanks carols ! (the flyer, to save me cluttering your inbox) |
| 22:07.17 | carols | spectie: absolutely. happy to help! |
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