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| 03:16.12 | Inc | does google chrome have a channel? |
| 03:17.58 | summatusmentis | if it does, I expect it'd be under chromium |
| 03:18.17 | Inc | good call |
| 03:18.40 | summatusmentis | that said, I have no idea |
| 03:19.13 | summatusmentis | http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Chrome/thread?tid=17edbc7003e10f7c&hl=en |
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| 03:39.58 | robbyoconnor | Inc: google is your friend. |
| 03:39.59 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 03:40.04 | robbyoconnor | (no joke here) |
| 03:40.08 | Landon | is not |
| 03:47.00 | summatusmentis | Landon: your parents knew Google's parents when Google was born, you've known him forever. You're just gonna forget all of that? |
| 03:47.13 | summatusmentis | what kind of fried are you? |
| 03:47.19 | summatusmentis | oh, I screwed up my kerberos big time |
| 03:47.38 | Landon | ;P |
| 03:48.28 | ojwb | summatusmentis: deep fried? |
| 03:48.52 | summatusmentis | *snrk* |
| 03:48.53 | summatusmentis | touche |
| 03:49.19 | summatusmentis | I was sitting here going "maybe he doesn't know what kerberos is, and was thinking kabob? why would you deep fry a kabob?" |
| 03:51.30 | Landon | I'm a deep fat fried |
| 03:51.31 | Landon | :) |
| 03:51.38 | Landon | but I look skinny on the outside :D |
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| 14:53.23 | siri1 | hi |
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| 14:58.58 | zubin71 | siri1 : hello |
| 14:59.25 | siri1 | zybin71:hi.. |
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| 14:59.39 | Lennie | hi :P |
| 15:00.06 | skbohra | hola |
| 15:00.07 | adifire | hi :D |
| 15:00.10 | siri1 | i though there will be discussions on gsoc...but i cant find any thing here like that...why? |
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| 15:00.27 | zubin71 | siri1 do you have any doubts to clear? |
| 15:00.28 | Lennie | discussion where? |
| 15:00.41 | skbohra | siri1: like? |
| 15:00.52 | skbohra | siri1: what talks you expecting ? |
| 15:00.56 | Lennie | siri1: because GSoC hasn't started yet, people are just idling here. It's IRC :D |
| 15:01.01 | siri1 | like ..related to projects? |
| 15:01.14 | siri1 | Lennie: ok.. |
| 15:01.15 | Lennie | !next |
| 15:01.15 | socinfo | "next" is Mentoring organizations can submit their applications for GSoC2010 on March 8th, see http://bit.ly/9hFpcb |
| 15:01.25 | zubin71 | siri1 you should visit the projects IRC channel for that. |
| 15:01.55 | siri1 | zybin71: hmm...ok |
| 15:01.58 | Lennie | however if you don't know which project you want to work with you could ask around here :) |
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| 15:02.31 | siri1 | any projects related to C,C++,java and scripting? |
| 15:02.44 | Lennie | !tags |
| 15:02.45 | socinfo | Error: "tags" is not a valid command. |
| 15:02.48 | siri1 | which would be better for new one.. |
| 15:02.51 | Lennie | !orgbylang |
| 15:02.52 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 15:02.55 | Lennie | it still works :D |
| 15:02.58 | Lennie | take a look |
| 15:03.36 | zubin71 | siri1 yeah, you could start by taking a look at the organizations which participated last year to get the idea |
| 15:03.57 | Lennie | there is no guarantee that they will partcipate this year though |
| 15:04.06 | Lennie | *participate |
| 15:04.36 | siri1 | zybin71:I have seen but I cant figure out which one will be better for starters? |
| 15:04.52 | zubin71 | @Lennie are you a mentor? |
| 15:05.02 | Lennie | I was last year yes |
| 15:05.31 | Lennie | But actually I'm just here to fix the GSoC website if it breaks :) |
| 15:05.37 | zubin71 | @Lennie cool... i myself am looking to get in for the first time this year :) |
| 15:05.58 | Lennie | good luck |
| 15:06.06 | Lennie | you picked a project yet? |
| 15:06.09 | siri1 | zybin71: you are also first year?:) |
| 15:06.12 | Lennie | (or organization) |
| 15:06.32 | Lennie | the best thing you can do be in their face early :) |
| 15:06.33 | lut4rp | That's it. I declare Git to be t3h aw3s0me. |
| 15:06.51 | Lennie | lut4rp: I think SRabbelier would agree on that :P |
| 15:07.02 | lut4rp | Lennie, yes he would. |
| 15:07.04 | zubin71 | @Lennie well, i have a few contributions... but i wanna try for python this time. :) so trying to contribute ther... :) |
| 15:07.18 | Lennie | ok nice |
| 15:07.19 | SRabbelier | lut4rp: git5! |
| 15:07.20 | Lennie | good luck |
| 15:07.22 | lut4rp | Though, I'd love to know how he manages to keep up with their mailing list. |
| 15:07.24 | lut4rp | :) |
| 15:07.33 | zubin71 | siri1 yup! |
| 15:07.37 | Lennie | it's called GMail |
| 15:07.40 | Lennie | with multiple inboxes :P |
| 15:07.53 | lut4rp | Even with that, man, too much traffic. |
| 15:07.55 | SRabbelier | lut4rp: what Lennie said :) |
| 15:07.55 | siri1 | zybin71:Have you ever wrote patches before? |
| 15:08.01 | SRabbelier | lut4rp: and, I skim most topics these days |
| 15:08.11 | lut4rp | I really really want to apply to them for gsoc this time :) I'll try. |
| 15:08.13 | SRabbelier | lut4rp: I only fully read the ones that are relevant to my interests |
| 15:08.25 | SRabbelier | lut4rp: you should! are you interested in working on git-remote-svn perchance? ;) |
| 15:08.29 | zubin71 | siri1 um... a few, yeah... |
| 15:08.30 | Lennie | lut4rp: I'm keeping him otherwise busy, so he has little time to read up on Git :P |
| 15:08.40 | lut4rp | :D |
| 15:08.58 | siri1 | zybin71:wow..:) |
| 15:09.28 | siri1 | Lennie: Have you ever mentored new ones? |
| 15:09.51 | Lennie | "new ones" |
| 15:09.58 | Lennie | yes I have mentored a first-year GSoC'er last year |
| 15:11.10 | siri1 | how did you feel? |
| 15:11.33 | Lennie | proud and busy :P? |
| 15:12.35 | siri1 | what are the common problems for newers? |
| 15:13.17 | Lennie | most of them will be new :P |
| 15:13.30 | Lennie | I guess it is getting to know the codebase? |
| 15:13.33 | Lennie | !faq |
| 15:13.33 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 15:13.35 | Lennie | hmm |
| 15:14.38 | Lennie | I remember there being some new-student resources on the web :d |
| 15:14.41 | Lennie | can't find them right now |
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| 15:24.02 | Lennie | ttyal |
| 15:24.14 | siri1 | ttyal means? |
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| 15:31.15 | LiquidIce2 | "talk to you all later" may be :D |
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| 15:33.22 | proxium | Hi, I'm anticipating here, and I'm asking if a project which is in development progress as NookuFramework for Joomla could be retained as an mentor organization ?? |
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| 15:33.42 | siri1 | Liquidlce2:thanks..;-) |
| 15:34.55 | siri1 | proxium: joomla was an org for the last five years I think..So it can be..no one can tell you untill the selected org list is out.. |
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| 15:36.57 | proxium | it's about NookuFramework apart (ttp://www.nooku.org/) a related project to Joomla not Joomla.org itself |
| 15:37.25 | skbohra | proxium: than joomla can act as umbrella project for it |
| 15:39.31 | siri1 | umbrella project means? |
| 15:40.22 | proxium | ok, thanks, however I want to know how to have more chances to convince an organization for an apply in GSoC2010 (can I work on something that I'm not the author of it's main "topic" or Idea?) |
| 15:41.02 | skbohra | proxium: tell them its a win win situation |
| 15:41.05 | skbohra | its fun |
| 15:41.12 | skbohra | you will loose nothing |
| 15:42.23 | proxium | I appreciate the win win situations :) |
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| 16:41.21 | lunkan | hi, i have a question bout Eligibility |
| 16:43.14 | lunkan | i am 19 and come from sweden. i go to equivalent upper secondary high school |
| 16:43.37 | lunkan | can i apply? |
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| 16:55.27 | fat0ss | no one responding me @ Opencv Mailing list |
| 16:55.35 | fat0ss | even not on IRC channel |
| 16:55.40 | fat0ss | :( |
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| 17:02.13 | KiMi | hello everyone |
| 17:02.20 | fat0ss | hi |
| 17:03.01 | KiMi | I have a little question. I've seen there are ppls who want to "get started" for gsoc, and many tell them to take a project an look into it |
| 17:03.12 | KiMi | Were they refering to the last year's projects? |
| 17:03.19 | KiMi | or any open source project? |
| 17:03.48 | thiagoss | any willing to participate, but you have better chances if they have ever participate. You can also encourage a new org to try and join gsoc :) |
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| 17:06.03 | fat0ss | m also newbie |
| 17:06.19 | fat0ss | bt u should see the Faqs first |
| 17:07.03 | fat0ss | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
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| 17:08.31 | fat0ss | and this is a list of participating org of 2009 |
| 17:08.32 | fat0ss | http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 17:17.30 | lhawthorn | SRabbelier: thanks |
| 17:17.35 | SRabbelier | np :) |
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| 17:21.21 | *** topic/#gsoc by lhawthorn -> Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - 8 March: Mentoring Organizations Applications Open - Timeline: http://bit.ly/adul79 - Read the FAQs: http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session: http://bit.ly/amIwdd - We need flyer and presentations translations, videos too! |
| 17:21.22 | *** topic/#gsoc by ChanServ -> Google Summer of Code 2010 is On!: http://bit.ly/9hFpcb - Help Wanted (in a few days): http://bit.ly/dzry1z - Be Merry, Excited and All That Goodness!! |
| 17:21.22 | *** mode/#gsoc [-o lhawthorn] by ChanServ |
| 17:21.30 | lhawthorn | how rude |
| 17:21.44 | lhawthorn | okay, time to go find a nice freenode staffer since i forgot my irc password |
| 17:21.45 | summatusmentis | o/ lhawthorn |
| 17:21.50 | lhawthorn | summatusmentis: jake! |
| 17:21.57 | summatusmentis | :-D howsit? |
| 17:22.13 | lhawthorn | summatusmentis: great thanks, how are you? |
| 17:22.25 | summatusmentis | well enough |
| 17:22.34 | lhawthorn | summatusmentis: cool. |
| 17:22.37 | *** topic/#gsoc by SRabbelier -> Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - 8 March: Mentoring Organizations Applications Open - Timeline: http://bit.ly/adul79 - Read the FAQs:http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session:http://bit.ly/amIwdd - We need flyer and presentations translations, videos too! |
| 17:22.45 | lhawthorn | SRabbelier: thank you once again |
| 17:22.54 | SRabbelier | lhawthorn: np :) |
| 17:22.57 | cbx | chanserv doesn't like you? |
| 17:23.29 | summatusmentis | oh good, links for info sessions |
| 17:23.31 | lhawthorn | cbx: um, well, i changed my password for freenode (I usually use the nick lh) and possibly threw out the post it note with the new one |
| 17:23.32 | lhawthorn | maybe |
| 17:23.36 | summatusmentis | ACM chapter on campus wants me to do that |
| 17:23.36 | lhawthorn | *ahem* |
| 17:23.50 | summatusmentis | *snrk* |
| 17:23.53 | lhawthorn | summatusmentis: awesome, do it! |
| 17:24.06 | lhawthorn | summatusmentis: *snrk* doesn't cover it. major embarassment, sure. |
| 17:24.20 | summatusmentis | :-P |
| 17:24.29 | summatusmentis | I don't do well with presentations, but I probably will |
| 17:24.41 | lhawthorn | summatusmentis: that's cool, practice really helps. |
| 17:24.45 | cbx | do you store all your passwords on post it notes lhawthorn ? :P |
| 17:25.02 | lhawthorn | cbx: nope, just the ones that I recently changed until i memorize them. |
| 17:27.41 | summatusmentis | or, you know, until you throw them away >.> |
| 17:27.49 | lhawthorn | summatusmentis: that too. |
| 17:28.32 | summatusmentis | ok, I should go back to paying attention to class. I just thought I'd say hi lhawthorn. |
| 17:28.38 | summatusmentis | tah all |
| 17:28.46 | lhawthorn | summatusmentis: enjoy your class. always nice to talk to you jake. |
| 17:28.58 | summatusmentis | "enjoy" is a bit strong :-P |
| 17:29.14 | lhawthorn | summatusmentis: try not to fall asleep, then. |
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| 17:30.04 | summatusmentis | thanks :) |
| 17:30.06 | summatusmentis | & |
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| 20:41.46 | thebolt | evening |
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| 20:48.12 | lunkan | hi |
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| 20:51.13 | lunkan | anyone erxperienced? |
| 20:51.24 | SRabbelier | lunkan: in what? |
| 20:52.49 | lunkan | im 19 but I'm not in university or college because I am from sweden |
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| 20:53.45 | lunkan | will i be allowed to participate anyway |
| 20:54.05 | Catfish_Man | I believe the policy is still that it's university/college students only |
| 20:54.17 | Catfish_Man | or local equivalents |
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| 20:54.57 | loglaunch | I am M.Sc Software Engineering student, I would like to participate in gsoc, should I just randomly contact opensource projects that I find interesting? |
| 20:55.05 | lhawthorn | lunkan: Catfish_Man is correct |
| 20:55.11 | loglaunch | *I am a |
| 20:55.12 | Landon | well that's not quite randomly then is it, loglaunch |
| 20:55.13 | Landon | :P |
| 20:55.15 | lhawthorn | loglaunch: sort of. what are you interested in? |
| 20:55.21 | thebolt | Catfish_Man: actually, reading the FAQ it says "You are eligible to apply if you are enrolled in an accredited pre-university educational program provided you meet all of the other eligibility requirements" |
| 20:55.29 | Catfish_Man | thebolt: fair enough |
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| 20:55.57 | lunkan | but what is accredited? |
| 20:55.57 | loglaunch | im interested in lots, that the problem, there are so many projects |
| 20:56.02 | thebolt | lunkan: well, what do you study? ;) |
| 20:56.13 | Catfish_Man | g'day lhawthorn :) |
| 20:56.28 | lhawthorn | loglaunch: pick one or two and ping them. if they participated last year, then they likely have a gsoc mailing list even |
| 20:56.30 | thebolt | hi lhawthorn |
| 20:56.31 | lunkan | computer science in pre-university |
| 20:56.31 | lhawthorn | Catfish_Man: and unto thee Catfish_Man |
| 20:56.34 | lhawthorn | thebolt: hello dear |
| 20:56.36 | johang | thebolt: I thought you'd have to be in either högskola or universitet. |
| 20:56.55 | thebolt | johang: well, I read that as "gymnasium" should be ok... but thats my interpretation |
| 20:57.03 | loglaunch | and is there usually no problem using gsoc as a part of my course work, i would like to use it for my practicum |
| 20:57.06 | thebolt | lunkan: i guess accredited as in gov. sanctioned/accredited etc |
| 20:57.08 | lhawthorn | lunkan: you need to be enrolled as a student at a school that your government recognizes as legally able to give you a degree or diploma |
| 20:57.10 | lunkan | i think so to, gymnaisum |
| 20:57.21 | loglaunch | lhawthorn: will do |
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| 20:58.07 | johang | thebolt: hmm. I thought gymnasie was more like high school. and US high schoolers are not eligible for gsoc iirc. |
| 20:58.35 | lunkan | johang: are u from sweden |
| 20:58.41 | johang | yes |
| 20:58.49 | lhawthorn | johang: no, it's ok as long as you are enrolled at an accredited school and at least 18 years of age |
| 20:58.50 | lunkan | can we speak in private in swedish? |
| 20:58.59 | thebolt | johang: i think the age limit is the problem there |
| 20:59.06 | thebolt | johang: not high school per-se |
| 20:59.44 | johang | oh, I see. so last year gymnasie would be fine then I guess. |
| 20:59.55 | johang | lunkan: sure, why not. |
| 21:01.15 | loglaunch | how do open source projects assess if you are able to do the required work? |
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| 21:01.34 | Fidd | lunkan? |
| 21:02.03 | Catfish_Man | loglaunch: similar to how one would assess a job candidate. Read your proposal and past history, hopefully talk with you on irc or email, etc... |
| 21:02.15 | loglaunch | ok |
| 21:02.46 | Catfish_Man | many projects also have qualifying tasks |
| 21:02.53 | loglaunch | such as? |
| 21:03.19 | lhawthorn | loglaunch: submit a patch, provide a previous code sample, etc. |
| 21:03.29 | loglaunch | ah |
| 21:03.52 | loglaunch | ok, thanks for the info |
| 21:05.20 | lhawthorn | so in an effort to prove that i really am that lacking in clue |
| 21:05.26 | lhawthorn | i run /stats p and am told no staffers |
| 21:05.32 | lhawthorn | oooo lies |
| 21:05.35 | lhawthorn | there is one! |
| 21:05.37 | lhawthorn | nm |
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| 21:08.32 | Fidd | how can i find out if my school is a accredited school? |
| 21:08.49 | lhawthorn | Fidd: easiest way is to ask them |
| 21:09.21 | lunkan | but if the school is from sweden? |
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| 21:10.16 | thebolt | lunkan: if you are in a gov. run school or gov. paid school I think that would mean its ok |
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| 21:21.50 | Fidd | is google the only sponsor of gsoc? |
| 21:23.57 | lucian | Fidd: yes |
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| 21:26.38 | Fidd | can i as wy google is putting so much money in to this, what is their profit in this? |
| 21:27.40 | Catfish_Man | Fidd: primarily just because it's a good thing to do, but there are concrete benefits as well. Thousands of talented CS students being interested in/thinking favorably of Google, for example |
| 21:27.52 | Catfish_Man | good PR too |
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| 21:31.18 | _Samo | is it recommended to set yo a specific SGoC mailing list or we can use the developers one, what's your advice? |
| 21:31.27 | _Samo | *up |
| 21:31.33 | thebolt | Catfish_Man: not only CS students ;) |
| 21:32.32 | Catfish_Man | thebolt: true |
| 21:32.35 | Landon | yeah, compE students need tshirts too |
| 21:32.42 | Catfish_Man | and dropouts like me ;) |
| 21:32.59 | Landon | dropouts aren't eligible though, are they? :P |
| 21:33.12 | Lennie | Fidd: Opensource helps google |
| 21:33.13 | lunkan | Landon: Everyone doing this for the tshirt |
| 21:33.17 | Lennie | they use a lot of open source software |
| 21:33.24 | Lennie | also they release a lot of stuff to open source |
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| 21:33.30 | Catfish_Man | oops |
| 21:33.35 | Catfish_Man | anyway, as I was saying, we are for mentoring ;) |
| 21:33.35 | Landon | lunkan: everyone loves the tshirt! |
| 21:33.38 | Landon | (and the money) |
| 21:33.38 | Lennie | It is there way to get more blood in the Open Source system :) |
| 21:33.44 | Lennie | Landon T-shirt >>> Money :P |
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| 21:34.15 | Landon | its a shame tshirts come in the fall though :P |
| 21:34.24 | Landon | (at least for those of us in the northern hemisphere) |
| 21:34.52 | lunkan | ah, that's too bad |
| 21:35.23 | Fidd | How many hours in avarage do you need to your project? |
| 21:36.03 | Catfish_Man | Fidd: it's generally considered a full time summer job (i.e. 40ish hours/week) |
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| 21:37.08 | Lennie | which also goes for mentoring!!! |
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| 21:38.22 | Catfish_Man | less so for mentoring |
| 21:43.07 | Nightrose | lhawthorn: the frequently asked questions link on http://code.google.com/soc/ is wrong |
| 21:43.37 | Lennie | lhawthorn: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 21:43.38 | Lennie | should work |
| 21:43.58 | Nightrose | thx Lennie :) |
| 21:44.10 | Lennie | yw Nightrose |
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| 21:45.00 | lunkan | do the organizations look more for skills rather than age and education? |
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| 21:45.23 | Jeff_S | lunkan: skills, personality, and a good proposal IMO |
| 21:45.44 | lunkan | oh, relief |
| 21:45.52 | Lennie | proposal > personality > skills |
| 21:45.55 | Lennie | although you should have some skills |
| 21:46.03 | Lennie | but I feel that GSoC should also be used to learn new things :) |
| 21:46.22 | lunkan | yeah that is nice |
| 21:46.31 | Lennie | and one should have a positive attitude towards wanting to learn the things required to complete your proposal |
| 21:46.43 | Lennie | *complete the work described in the proposal |
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| 21:47.26 | lunkan | what happens if I get attended but fail mid-term evalution? |
| 21:47.39 | lunkan | do I still get the money for the opening? |
| 21:47.51 | Lennie | yes |
| 21:48.12 | Lennie | however no t-shirt :P |
| 21:48.15 | lunkan | ok, dont get me wrong |
| 21:48.26 | Lennie | Not sure what the amounts are this year |
| 21:48.31 | lunkan | shit, I really want that t-shirt |
| 21:48.33 | Lennie | but I guess it is 500, 2000, 200 ? |
| 21:48.35 | Lennie | 2000* |
| 21:48.38 | Fidd | as said. your nothing without the t-shirt |
| 21:48.53 | Lennie | t-shirt says it all :) |
| 21:49.01 | lunkan | according to the faq, it's 500, 2250, 2250 |
| 21:49.08 | Lennie | more this year it is :) |
| 21:49.21 | lunkan | great |
| 21:49.23 | Lennie | I knew that, but wasn't sure it was posted yet :P |
| 21:49.35 | Lennie | I should really read up :D |
| 21:49.46 | lunkan | is all the jobs individual or in teams |
| 21:50.11 | Catfish_Man | individual |
| 21:50.20 | Catfish_Man | which I don't entirely agree with, but I understand the reasoning for |
| 21:50.22 | lunkan | do you join a developer team? |
| 21:50.33 | Catfish_Man | you work with the organization that's mentoring you |
| 21:50.35 | Lennie | depends on the org |
| 21:50.39 | Lennie | you work with them at least |
| 21:50.53 | Lennie | wether or not they would consider that as part of the "dev team" is up to an org :D |
| 21:51.08 | lunkan | how is the communication handled? |
| 21:51.15 | Catfish_Man | however the organization handles it |
| 21:51.16 | lunkan | chat, skype? |
| 21:51.22 | Lennie | depends on the organziation |
| 21:51.30 | lunkan | no traveling? |
| 21:51.32 | Catfish_Man | for Adium (the project I mentored for), we mostly used irc, secondarily IM and a mailingl ist |
| 21:51.34 | Catfish_Man | *mailing list |
| 21:51.42 | Lennie | lunkan: usually not, might be some exceptions |
| 21:51.54 | Lennie | lunkan: or they would like you to attend a conference/meeting with them |
| 21:52.15 | Catfish_Man | lunkan: basically, the answer to pretty much all your questions is "you're working just as everyone else does on the project, except with a mentor and a specific task" |
| 21:52.35 | lunkan | so you get an individual mentor |
| 21:53.45 | lunkan | i'm full of questions, i'm sorry if i bother you |
| 21:54.04 | lunkan | but i'm so excited about this |
| 21:54.45 | summatusmentis | I know the feeling |
| 21:54.48 | robbyoconnor | people need to learn to read the FAQ BEFORE asking.. |
| 21:54.55 | robbyoconnor | in my opinion it shows lack of initative. |
| 21:55.02 | robbyoconnor | also lack of self reliance. |
| 21:55.29 | lunkan | robbyoconnor: Don't mistake me, I have read the FAQ more than once |
| 21:55.45 | lunkan | but I didn't think it answered my questions propely |
| 21:55.56 | summatusmentis | this |
| 21:56.26 | Lennie | lunkan: again on the individual mentor, depends |
| 21:56.46 | Lennie | there is one mentor from an orgaizational point of view who is responsible for your evalutations |
| 21:57.02 | Lennie | however, how each orgs deals with the proposals they accept might differ |
| 21:57.16 | Fidd | he meant the faq not your answer i think. |
| 21:57.17 | lunkan | thanks |
| 21:57.27 | Lennie | although a individual mentor is actually recommened :) |
| 21:57.30 | robbyoconnor | lunkan: i'm going based on the discussion list |
| 21:57.34 | robbyoconnor | not you personally |
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| 21:58.39 | lunkan | ic |
| 22:00.28 | Nightrose | details for a gsoc info session go to lh right? |
| 22:01.04 | dhaun | Nightrose: yep |
| 22:01.14 | Nightrose | hey dhaun :) |
| 22:01.21 | dhaun | waves |
| 22:01.53 | lunkan | what type of proof can I show to google that I go in school? |
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| 22:02.46 | summatusmentis | lunkan: I think I sent unofficial transcripts last year |
| 22:03.19 | schumaml | in general, your school should know what someone may want for this |
| 22:03.28 | schumaml | although some seem to be unprepared |
| 22:03.35 | lunkan | ok, i go ask my teachers then |
| 22:05.10 | Lennie | Delft University of Technology, front desk. Give me transcripts please, done in 2 min :) |
| 22:05.32 | Lennie | However according to one of our contributors in Italy it is worse :P |
| 22:05.37 | schumaml | Lennie: universities are used to this |
| 22:05.39 | Lennie | He sent a request in November and only got a reply today :D |
| 22:06.21 | schumaml | they probably were like "wtf do you want official proof? you can make more money without any legal docs!" |
| 22:06.28 | schumaml | after all, this is Italy |
| 22:07.22 | robbyoconnor | lunkan: student id, unofficial transcript, acceptance letter |
| 22:07.29 | robbyoconnor | those are valid |
| 22:07.37 | robbyoconnor | (according to the years i participated) |
| 22:07.50 | robbyoconnor | unfortunately, pictures of you drinking are *NOT* valid :P |
| 22:07.58 | robbyoconnor | and are kinda tacky :P |
| 22:10.10 | lunkan | i have a student identity card |
| 22:10.24 | lunkan | but it's not connected to my specific school |
| 22:10.57 | robbyoconnor | yeh unofficial transcript works |
| 22:11.04 | robbyoconnor | cross that bridge when you're accepted |
| 22:11.09 | robbyoconnor | until then it doesn't matter. |
| 22:11.44 | lunkan | ok, I thought it was best to be prepared |
| 22:12.04 | lunkan | but I understand |
| 22:12.08 | Lennie | be prepared for your proposal :D |
| 22:12.54 | lunkan | how can I be prepared to something I don't know what it is |
| 22:13.04 | lunkan | what orgs and ideas there are |
| 22:15.14 | Catfish_Man | lunkan: the org list from last year is a decent place to start |
| 22:15.31 | Nightrose | !orgsbylang |
| 22:15.31 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 22:15.38 | Nightrose | lunkan: ^ that list as well |
| 22:15.48 | lunkan | mm, thanks for the tips |
| 22:16.34 | Nightrose | in case there is anyone around karlsruhe who would like to join a gsoc info ssession at the university let me know |
| 22:16.36 | lunkan | what is orgsbylang? |
| 22:16.47 | Lennie | orgs tagged/sorted by their languages |
| 22:16.59 | Lennie | so for instance Python falls under the Python language :P |
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| 22:17.09 | Lennie | Eclipse would probably be Java |
| 22:17.29 | Nightrose | kde goes c++ ;-) |
| 22:17.51 | Lennie | thanks :p |
| 22:18.03 | Nightrose | lunkan: that list is so students can find orgs that fit the programming language they know |
| 22:18.11 | lunkan | thats nice |
| 22:18.15 | Lennie | Nightrose: well said |
| 22:18.16 | lunkan | thanks |
| 22:18.21 | lunkan | easier to find |
| 22:18.26 | schumaml | waits for the chaos caused by the melange test cycle ;) |
| 22:18.40 | Lennie | schumaml: no chaos yet |
| 22:18.49 | Lennie | Starting this saturday when students can send in fake proposals |
| 22:18.52 | Nightrose | schumaml: but it spares us the chaos after the test cycle right? :D |
| 22:18.54 | Lennie | then Chaos will come :D |
| 22:18.59 | Catfish_Man | sigh. Only two objective-c ones :( |
| 22:19.00 | Catfish_Man | sadness |
| 22:19.11 | Lennie | so if you want to take part as a student just hold on :) |
| 22:19.14 | schumaml | I expect some people to confuse this with the real thing |
| 22:19.19 | Lennie | yeah :P |
| 22:19.22 | Lennie | haha |
| 22:19.32 | schumaml | "omg! soc has started! where do I apply?" |
| 22:19.33 | Lennie | we are sending out the "almost" official emails :P |
| 22:19.47 | Nightrose | meanies! :D |
| 22:19.56 | Landon | Catfish_Man: would you rather be exposed to my subjective C? |
| 22:19.59 | Lennie | poke me with a stick if you don't like it :D |
| 22:20.02 | Lennie | if you can find me |
| 22:20.03 | Lennie | gotta go |
| 22:20.04 | Lennie | ttyl :) |
| 22:20.05 | Catfish_Man | Landon: I designed that language, actually! |
| 22:20.10 | Catfish_Man | never implemented it though |
| 22:20.11 | Nightrose | lol |
| 22:20.16 | Landon | >.o |
| 22:20.32 | summatusmentis | Landon: the word exposed makes that sentence all sorts of inappropriate |
| 22:20.33 | Nightrose | Landon fell over? |
| 22:20.37 | Nightrose | ;-) |
| 22:20.51 | schumaml | just signed in a test org, no errors so far |
| 22:20.58 | Landon | summatusmentis: :D |
| 22:21.06 | Landon | exposes a function pointer |
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| 22:59.52 | RITSteve | greetings, I have a few questions about applying to be a program/mentor site this year, anyone around who can help me? |
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| 23:04.31 | Wolf_OSGeo | EHLO |
| 23:04.31 | gitte | SRabbelier: heya |
| 23:04.39 | SRabbelier | gitte: heya :) |
| 23:04.46 | gitte | SRabbelier: wow, still awake! |
| 23:04.54 | SRabbelier | gitte: hehe, yup ^^ |
| 23:05.19 | gitte | SRabbelier: is it possible that there is no GPLv2 in the "Main Organization License" combo box with the Melange app? |
| 23:05.53 | Landon | Wolf_OSGeo: 221 Bye |
| 23:06.26 | SRabbelier | gitte: hmph, looks like it, I think I pulled this list directly from the OSI list of approved licenses though, not sure what's up there |
| 23:06.48 | SRabbelier | gitte: see http://www.opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical |
| 23:06.52 | Wolf_OSGeo | Landon: dang I guess I made a protocol error... :S |
| 23:07.04 | SRabbelier | gitte: gpl links to http://www.opensource.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.php |
| 23:07.12 | gitte | SRabbelier: probably they do not want to tout GPLv2 anymore, but I think that at least for the two projects I am involved in, GPLv2 is the license I want. |
| 23:07.13 | Landon | Wolf_OSGeo: I'm a malformed serer :D |
| 23:07.14 | Landon | server* |
| 23:07.22 | Wolf_OSGeo | :D |
| 23:07.26 | gitte | SRabbelier: okay, maybe clarify that in Melange? |
| 23:07.38 | SRabbelier | gitte: I could change the name to add the 2 I guess? |
| 23:08.34 | gitte | SRabbelier: or even "v2"? |
| 23:08.52 | SRabbelier | gitte: I'll make it read the same as the 3.0 one I guess |
| 23:09.01 | gitte | SRabbelier: thank you! |
| 23:09.08 | gitte | SRabbelier: otherwise, the thing is perfect. |
| 23:09.17 | gitte | SRabbelier: especially the tooltips look _awesome_! |
| 23:09.20 | SRabbelier | gitte: of course, I have to leave the old one, or things will break I'm thinking |
| 23:09.34 | SRabbelier | gitte: really? cool :D I think Mario will be happy to hear that :) |
| 23:09.58 | gitte | SRabbelier: can you tell him? |
| 23:10.04 | SRabbelier | gitte: will do :) |
| 23:10.08 | gitte | SRabbelier: (I do not know how to report that otherwise) |
| 23:10.45 | SRabbelier | gitte: you can mail melange-soc-dev@groups.google.com methinks? |
| 23:14.58 | Wolf_OSGeo | is the "Error: Server Error" page a known problem? |
| 23:15.16 | Wolf_OSGeo | about 1/3 page loads fails with this error page... on the test melange |
| 23:20.39 | SRabbelier | Wolf_OSGeo: can you be more explicit in what it says? |
| 23:20.42 | SRabbelier | Wolf_OSGeo: just that message? |
| 23:21.09 | lhawthorn | thanks for testing folks, much appreciated. :) |
| 23:21.15 | lhawthorn | gets back to heads down on user guide |
| 23:21.21 | kblin | gitte: hey there :) |
| 23:21.29 | SRabbelier | Methinks this is relevant to our interests as open source devs: http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/google-free-on2-vp8-for-youtube |
| 23:21.30 | gitte | kblin: heya! |
| 23:21.37 | kblin | SRabbelier: when's the test org application period? |
| 23:21.44 | SRabbelier | kblin: these two weeks! |
| 23:21.47 | SRabbelier | kblin: started today :) |
| 23:21.55 | lhawthorn | kblin: it's today until friday end of day |
| 23:22.02 | SRabbelier | kblin: go and create your org on melange-dev now :D |
| 23:22.06 | SRabbelier | oh, application period, my bad |
| 23:22.18 | kblin | SRabbelier: ok, great, I'll see that I can apply for an org tomorrow morning |
| 23:22.24 | SRabbelier | kblin: awesome |
| 23:22.30 | kblin | it's been a very long busy day, I need to get some sleep |
| 23:22.40 | kblin | my new hobby is pretty exhausting :) |
| 23:22.54 | lhawthorn | kblin: new hobby? |
| 23:23.30 | Wolf_OSGeo | SRabbelier: sure: it says that and then this: The server encountered an error and could not complete your request.If the problem persists, please report your problem and mention this error message and the query that caused it. |
| 23:23.31 | kblin | Theatre.. I caught the bug on "The Three Musketeers" last december, and I'm playing in "Lion in Winter" now |
| 23:23.58 | kblin | that is we premier tomorrow, and do four shows |
| 23:23.59 | SRabbelier | Wolf_OSGeo: I'm afraid that's a native appengine error |
| 23:24.06 | SRabbelier | Wolf_OSGeo: nothing we, as the Melange developers, can do about it |
| 23:24.17 | SRabbelier | Wolf_OSGeo: see also http://code.google.com/status/appengine |
| 23:24.19 | lhawthorn | kblin: that is awesome. :) |
| 23:24.22 | Wolf_OSGeo | SRabbelier: k, was afraid of it |
| 23:24.37 | Wolf_OSGeo | do you think it might have anything to do with me using chromium? |
| 23:25.00 | lhawthorn | Wolf_OSGeo: appengine barfed using chromium for me on linux a few moments ago, i switched back to FF |
| 23:25.05 | SRabbelier | Wolf_OSGeo: nope, just an server issue |
| 23:25.12 | SRabbelier | s/an/a/ |
| 23:25.44 | Wolf_OSGeo | since it keeps barfing on me on socghop too |
| 23:26.18 | SRabbelier | gitte: GPLv2 added on melange-dev now |
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| 23:26.44 | SRabbelier | that is, after I flip the switch *facepalm* |
| 23:26.46 | Wolf_OSGeo | SRabbelier: ah, yes there is apparently something odd, perhaps the 20000 mentors that lhawthorn sent on appengine did some damage? :P |
| 23:27.10 | SRabbelier | Wolf_OSGeo: hehehe, unlikely, if only there were that many ;) |
| 23:27.54 | kblin | lhawthorn: it's a lot of fun, but it's also pretty hard work. all these emotions and stuff :) |
| 23:28.20 | SRabbelier | Wolf_OSGeo: (I recently read about AppEngine running a site that had 1600 QPS, I doubt us mentors messing around is going to phase them much) |
| 23:29.03 | Wolf_OSGeo | :D |
| 23:29.29 | lhawthorn | kblin: emotions are best avoided. |
| 23:29.30 | Wolf_OSGeo | odd ff => no errors, works like a charm... |
| 23:29.30 | lhawthorn | :) |
| 23:30.16 | SRabbelier | Wolf_OSGeo: really? mhhh... that _is_ interesting |
| 23:30.34 | Wolf_OSGeo | SRabbelier: it's odd to say the least... |
| 23:31.08 | Wolf_OSGeo | heh double clicking in a web form is a new experience to me :D |
| 23:31.28 | SRabbelier | Wolf_OSGeo: indeed, very strange |
| 23:31.37 | SRabbelier | Wolf_OSGeo: where are you double clicking? |
| 23:31.39 | kblin | lhawthorn: not if the director wants to have them :) |
| 23:32.25 | Wolf_OSGeo | the list of apps to edit it, that was the only way I could get it to open, to re-edit it |
| 23:32.42 | lhawthorn | kblin: oh those emotions. yes those are best avoided. directors can be tempermental. |
| 23:32.49 | Wolf_OSGeo | SRabbelier: ahh.. got Error: Server Error in ff too |
| 23:32.54 | SRabbelier | Wolf_OSGeo: single click should be sufficient, mhh |
| 23:33.09 | SRabbelier | Wolf_OSGeo: ah, excellent, that means it's not that likely to be Chrome specific at least :P |
| 23:33.18 | Wolf_OSGeo | SRabbelier: k, will try that again |
| 23:34.04 | Wolf_OSGeo | that is if I can get the site to show me anything... |
| 23:34.50 | Wolf_OSGeo | SRabbelier: yes single click worked :D I'm happy again :D |
| 23:35.00 | SRabbelier | Wolf_OSGeo: woot :) |
| 23:35.17 | kblin | lhawthorn: artists.. an even worse bunch of cats than coders :) |
| 23:37.00 | lhawthorn | kblin: who knew this was possible. glad i like cats. |
| 23:37.34 | RITSteve | ANyone answer a question or two on organization/mentoring applications??? |
| 23:37.51 | SRabbelier | RITSteve: sure |
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| 23:39.01 | RITSteve | We've been runnig classes and Co-Ops around olpc/sugr development in conjunction with Sugar Labs and Red Hat |
| 23:39.42 | gitte | SRabbelier: thanks so much! |
| 23:39.59 | RITSteve | I'd like my lab that runs the effort at rit to apply as an org, unless I need to have sugar labs or red hat to apply for me and designate us as the physical site |
| 23:40.12 | RITSteve | Which way does it work |
| 23:40.28 | RITSteve | ??? |
| 23:40.29 | lhawthorn | RITSteve: better for you to work with sugar labs or redhat |
| 23:40.46 | SRabbelier | gitte: thanks for pointing it out :) |
| 23:40.52 | kblin | RITSteve: physical site? |
| 23:41.00 | lhawthorn | RITSteve: to be clear, a physical site is not required for GSoC, all work is done online, though it is very nice for folks to be able to work together in person |
| 23:41.02 | RITSteve | ok, so they apply and designate us? |
| 23:41.16 | SRabbelier | !faq |
| 23:41.16 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 23:41.23 | SRabbelier | hunts for appropriate link |
| 23:41.41 | SRabbelier | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#program_works |
| 23:41.42 | SRabbelier | there |
| 23:41.56 | kblin | gitte: thanks for WinGit, btw, I recently had to do some work on a windows machine and I really liked being able to use git to save myself from errors |
| 23:42.12 | RITSteve | figured since we had a program on campus that's been working well for 18 months we'd try to capitalize on that |
| 23:42.23 | RITSteve | in terms of student recruitment |
| 23:42.52 | RITSteve | As we have a local critical mass |
| 23:42.55 | Wolf_OSGeo | SRabbelier: love the document editor :D. Melange works great, but the appengine not so much :S. Will continue playing tomorrow |
| 23:43.15 | SRabbelier | Wolf_OSGeo: hopefully an intermittent problem |
| 23:43.25 | Wolf_OSGeo | SRabbelier: yeah |
| 23:43.35 | kblin | anyway, off to bed I go |
| 23:44.32 | lhawthorn | kblin: good night |
| 23:44.45 | RITSteve | kblin: goodnight |
| 23:45.03 | Wolf_OSGeo | Hah! I reated a public doc :D http://melange-dev.appspot.com/document/show/user/wolf/lorem_ipsum This editor is going to make my life easy as admin :D |
| 23:45.18 | gitte | kblin: you're welcome! |
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| 23:45.30 | gitte | kblin: note, though, that I am not the only WinGit guy :-) |
| 23:45.53 | mchua | RITSteve: hey there. Ok, so figuring out RIT SoC stuff... |
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| 23:47.26 | mchua | RITSteve: so, there are a couple options - RIT students can apply to Sugar and/or Fedora and/or any other project they're interested in, assuming those projects are accepted as mentor orgs |
| 23:47.59 | mchua | (and RIT students - and faculty, for that matter - who are involved in those communities could also work through those communities to see if they can be mentors) |
| 23:48.31 | mchua | although tbh speaking from the Sugar side I can't think of any RIT folks who have the depth of community and core-code involvement we might look for from a mentor... but I'm not the one running this year's GSoC application so it's not my final say. |
| 23:49.09 | mchua | (there are certainly RIT students with the coding skill, but not yet the direct upstream involvement, afaict) |
| 23:49.14 | RITSteve | mchua: so if there were projects from the classes students were interested in continuing they would submit those to Sugar/Fedora as potential ideas they would submit on their mentoring orgs page?? |
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| 23:49.54 | mchua | RITSteve: I would say that's a good way of going about it, yes - it's pretty compelling to come and say "hey, I've already done half the work for this class, I'd like the summer to finish it up" |
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| 23:50.58 | RITSteve | Ok, so who is running GSOC for Sugar and/or Red Hat |
| 23:51.02 | mchua | lhawthorn: what I was trying to figure out was how places like OSUOSL are allowed to 'count' as mentor orgs - maybe not this summer, but it sounds like the group that RITSteve is slowly building up at RIT could turn into a similar sort of group by summer '11 |
| 23:51.04 | Wolf_OSGeo | SRabbelier: oh btw the export page exports the content type as text/text. That is a weird mime type... Also the content is html.... perhaps application/octet-stream would be more correct to forse a save? |
| 23:51.11 | mchua | RITSteve: Fedora, not Red Hat :) |
| 23:51.54 | mchua | RITSteve: for Sugar: I don't think this is "official" yet (iow, "Sugar Labs has not submitted anything" - mentor org apps are also not yet open) but it looks like Tim McNamara is the one who's stepping up |
| 23:51.54 | RITSteve | mchua: thanks |
| 23:51.58 | mchua | RITSteve: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code |
| 23:52.38 | mchua | RITSteve: for Fedora - quaid (Karsten Wade) is doing a lot of work to get us ready for it but I'm not sure who will be the actual org contact |
| 23:52.44 | mchua | we've got a mailing list though |
| 23:53.02 | lhawthorn | mchua: there's no hard and fast number of osuosl type umbrella orgs, but to be honest osu osl is something of a special case. |
| 23:53.31 | SRabbelier | Wolf_OSGeo: export page? can you be more specific? |
| 23:53.48 | mchua | RITSteve: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_SIG |
| 23:54.06 | Wolf_OSGeo | SRabbelier: in Edit document there is an export button |
| 23:54.13 | SRabbelier | ah, right |
| 23:54.20 | mchua | lhawthorn: do you want more of those sorts of special cases? |
| 23:54.26 | RITSteve | mchua: great, thanks. Will follwo both of those |
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| 23:54.41 | lhawthorn | mchua: eh, it's less good unless people are really really really good. |
| 23:54.57 | mchua | lhawthorn: or is this a good reason to figure out how to generalize a way to make GSoC more distributed (and able to run sans the G part when the model makes sense but it doesn't quite fit what google's looking for?) |
| 23:55.22 | lhawthorn | mchua: this is a great reason to figure out how to do one of these w/o google |
| 23:55.23 | Wolf_OSGeo | SRabbelier: the text/text does forse ff to save or orpen with an app, but... it seemed odd, to see text. My first thought was, but what about all my wonderful formatting?! |
| 23:55.23 | lhawthorn | :) |
| 23:55.28 | lhawthorn | among many others. :) |
| 23:55.38 | Wolf_OSGeo | s,forse,force,g |
| 23:55.39 | SRabbelier | Wolf_OSGeo: text/html perhaps? |
| 23:56.06 | mchua | lhawthorn: yookeydookey. is there a good gathering place for folks doing that (SoC sans G) to gather? |
| 23:56.11 | Wolf_OSGeo | SRabbelier: then the page will probably just show up as a regular web page, and people will think ok so now what |
| 23:56.47 | mchua | lhawthorn: I know Karsten Wade's been doing it within Fedora-land in the hopes this is generalizable to other projects/institutions, but if there's a better upstream for it, happy to work there |
| 23:56.49 | SRabbelier | Wolf_OSGeo: true that, although application/octet-stream.. mhhh |
| 23:57.04 | mchua | lhawthorn: not sure how much he's talked with you about it though |
| 23:58.48 | Wolf_OSGeo | SRabbelier: that will give a save dialog on all browsers I've tested with... a common technique :P But now that I know it will export it as html I'm ok with text/text even if it is non-standard |
| 23:59.29 | Wolf_OSGeo | SRabbelier: any ways I'm off to bed. Will play more tomorrow. Superb work so far! |
| 23:59.48 | SRabbelier | Wolf_OSGeo: sweet, thanks for helping out with testing! |