| 00:00.07 | summatusmentis | the stuff on appspot.com |
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| 00:00.12 | Gamara | That's their government hating on appspot. |
| 00:00.23 | summatusmentis | right |
| 00:00.30 | Dark_Shikari | not like it's hard to get around |
| 00:02.46 | summatusmentis | my only point being that it's sort of a "ban", but not explicitly by google |
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| 00:06.28 | jps | Gamara: ok, Iran, North Korea, and who are the other two? |
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| 00:08.29 | straydaw1 | cuba, iran, sudan, syria according to http://www.state.gov/s/ct/c14151.htm |
| 00:09.01 | Dark_Shikari | >cuba |
| 00:09.04 | Dark_Shikari | >sponsor of terrorism |
| 00:09.10 | Dark_Shikari | they're going to attack us with their cigars. |
| 00:09.23 | straydaw1 | since march 1st 1982 reportedly :) |
| 00:15.36 | mamun | Google employees, interns, contractors, family members, or residents and nationals of Iran, Syria, Cuba, Sudan, North Korea and Myanmar (Burma), with whom we are prohibited by U.S. law from engaging in commerce, are ineligible to participate. |
| 00:16.11 | jps | thanks |
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| 00:43.03 | Gamara | I think that Syria is off that list. |
| 00:43.06 | Gamara | WE should update the faq. |
| 00:43.19 | Gamara | Or myanmar |
| 00:43.25 | Gamara | Either wya, I know it's just 4 now. |
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| 00:50.39 | ojwb | Gamara: there's 6 there currently by my count |
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| 00:51.43 | ojwb | perhaps it should be "countries with whom we are prohibited by U.S. law from engaging in commerce (currently ...)" |
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| 02:12.49 | Templarian | Odd question is there a good PHP script out there to automatically zip the google code trunk for a project through the "Post-Commit URL"? |
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| 02:15.38 | Templarian | Was thinking this was the channel for google code, is there a official google code IRC? |
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| 02:16.45 | robbyoconnor | Templarian: this isnt the place to seek support |
| 02:16.49 | robbyoconnor | go use google |
| 02:16.58 | Catfish_Man | Templarian: I sort of doubt there is such a channel |
| 02:17.03 | Catfish_Man | too many projects, too widespread and diverse |
| 02:18.44 | jbourne3 | when do we start discussing with the mentors? |
| 02:18.55 | robbyoconnor | jbourne3: now... |
| 02:19.00 | robbyoconnor | go speak to your org |
| 02:19.03 | robbyoconnor | get involved |
| 02:19.06 | robbyoconnor | triage some tickets |
| 02:19.12 | robbyoconnor | provide user support |
| 02:19.20 | jbourne3 | who is my org? |
| 02:19.25 | Templarian | (Yea I'll just google it. thanks (for some reason google code irc brought this up and I just copied it in didn't even look at what it was for) |
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| 02:19.46 | jbourne3 | robbyoconnor: ? |
| 02:19.59 | robbyoconnor | !orgsbylang |
| 02:19.59 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 02:20.04 | robbyoconnor | go look there. |
| 02:20.11 | jbourne3 | i mean .. i am a tottal nebie in this |
| 02:20.22 | robbyoconnor | do you have *ANY* programming experience? |
| 02:20.27 | jbourne3 | sure |
| 02:20.31 | jbourne3 | lots.. |
| 02:20.34 | robbyoconnor | okay then |
| 02:20.35 | robbyoconnor | go look |
| 02:20.38 | robbyoconnor | find something you like |
| 02:20.43 | robbyoconnor | get involved and be merry |
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| 02:20.49 | jbourne3 | u mean in open source |
| 02:21.05 | jbourne3 | and what if the organisation doesnt get seleced for GSOC? |
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| 02:21.40 | robbyoconnor | then find another |
| 02:21.47 | robbyoconnor | dude, seriously show initiative |
| 02:21.50 | robbyoconnor | look at that list |
| 02:22.13 | robbyoconnor | if you're not driven to work indepdnently you wont make it |
| 02:22.29 | jbourne3 | ok.. thanks a lot,.. |
| 02:22.42 | robbyoconnor | im being nice here |
| 02:23.05 | Catfish_Man | robby: deep breath ;) |
| 02:26.35 | robbyoconnor | I'm being pleasant |
| 02:26.43 | robbyoconnor | I would have bit his head off and spit it by now |
| 02:34.03 | ojwb | jbourne3: if an org has participated before and done a decent job, they are likely to get selected if they apply again, though nothing is certain |
| 02:34.36 | ojwb | but any org is looking for student+project(+mentor) combinations which are likely to succeed |
| 02:35.06 | ojwb | and if you can point to some previous successful involvement in open source, that's a good sign |
| 02:35.11 | ojwb | whatever project it is with |
| 02:35.31 | robbyoconnor | hits jbourne3 with a nerf bat |
| 02:35.34 | robbyoconnor | jesus lol |
| 02:35.42 | robbyoconnor | i ask you to not reply in pm and you do it... |
| 02:35.59 | robbyoconnor | nerf bat as to not hurt you |
| 02:36.12 | jbourne3 | fanks |
| 02:36.31 | ojwb | turns down robby's caffeine drip |
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| 02:37.33 | robbyoconnor | is NOT hyper |
| 02:40.15 | summatusmentis | dude... you've been hyper as long as I've seen you on IRC |
| 02:41.00 | robbyoconnor | but you love me |
| 02:41.07 | robbyoconnor | EVERYBODY loves r0bby |
| 02:41.45 | summatusmentis | I didn't say I didn't love you |
| 02:41.49 | summatusmentis | just that you're hyper |
| 02:47.09 | robbyoconnor | coffee should give me energy damn it |
| 02:50.04 | makmanalp | oi, summatusmentis, how goes it? |
| 02:50.18 | summatusmentis | makmanalp: this GRE subject practice test they give out is horrifying |
| 02:51.45 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: ah, you're going that route, good luck |
| 02:52.02 | summatusmentis | guh |
| 02:52.06 | summatusmentis | we'll see :) |
| 02:52.33 | makmanalp | heh |
| 02:53.46 | summatusmentis | you're my age, right? |
| 02:54.04 | makmanalp | i think so |
| 02:54.07 | makmanalp | junior this year |
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| 02:54.16 | makmanalp | no wait, you're one younger iirc |
| 02:54.37 | summatusmentis | no, I'm also a junior |
| 02:54.42 | makmanalp | ah, okay |
| 02:55.02 | summatusmentis | any thoughts about your plans for the summer? |
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| 02:59.00 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: i was thinking of doing gsoc again maybe but i think i'm going for an internship this time |
| 02:59.16 | summatusmentis | mmm... fair enough. |
| 02:59.17 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: right now i have redhat and dyndns on the table |
| 02:59.29 | summatusmentis | redhat would be cool |
| 02:59.37 | summatusmentis | dyndns is sorta low-level for me |
| 02:59.41 | summatusmentis | but could be very interesting |
| 02:59.47 | makmanalp | low level? how? |
| 02:59.57 | summatusmentis | just networking stuff |
| 03:00.03 | summatusmentis | not "lowlevel" exactly |
| 03:00.15 | makmanalp | oh, it actually ain't all systems programming |
| 03:00.20 | summatusmentis | just stuff I don't really know that much about, and it seems like it requires a fair amount of domain knowledge |
| 03:00.26 | summatusmentis | oh? |
| 03:00.30 | makmanalp | yeah |
| 03:00.34 | makmanalp | er, pm? |
| 03:00.37 | robbyoconnor | Dear android, STOP MESSING UP |
| 03:00.44 | summatusmentis | sure, either way makmanalp |
| 03:00.46 | robbyoconnor | i was texting a friend but it was going to someone else |
| 03:00.55 | robbyoconnor | 2.0.1 has so many bugs :/ |
| 03:01.11 | summatusmentis | robbyoconnor: do you ever wish you had gone WebOS? |
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| 06:42.06 | skbohra | Hello people |
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| 06:44.24 | qed | 'lo |
| 06:44.35 | qed | Anyone hear anything about clojure in the GSoC 2010? |
| 06:51.36 | skbohra | !anyone |
| 06:51.36 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 06:51.41 | skbohra | qed^ |
| 06:52.08 | qed | "You can find further information about each mentoring organization's accepted student projects for Google Summer of CodeTM 2009 by visiting the links below." |
| 06:52.16 | qed | see: My original question |
| 06:53.03 | qed | re: !anyone -- Yes I've spoken to the mentoring organization and didn't receive a yes/no answer, hence my inquiry |
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| 06:55.03 | danderson | since orgs for 2010 haven't been selected yet, clojure knows as much as anyone else |
| 06:56.04 | qed | danderson: thank you |
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| 06:57.57 | skbohra | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:06.24 | qed | nods |
| 07:06.29 | qed | just anxious.. |
| 07:08.13 | skbohra | trying to make few orgs apply :) |
| 07:08.34 | qed | i suggested on the clojure list that 'we' do GSoC |
| 07:08.43 | qed | I didn't get much of a reply unfortunately |
| 07:09.17 | qed | Rich has his plans for the language and there isn't a whole lot that needs doing right now without his direct involvement |
| 07:09.27 | qed | AFAICT |
| 07:09.47 | qed | that's not to say that a nice library or two isn't needed |
| 07:11.47 | qed | is watching Carl Sagan's Cosmos |
| 07:11.53 | qed | this is so depressing |
| 07:12.05 | qed | We'll never get to see so much of the universe in our time... |
| 07:12.33 | qed | We haven't even explored our own solar system :( |
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| 07:20.40 | skbohra | qed: do you believe in re birth ;) |
| 07:22.59 | sheki | can some one post a link about the indian college distribution of gsoc students last year |
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| 07:26.55 | skbohra | sheki: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6DuoA2lJToKmUzoSq6raZQ&output=html |
| 07:27.21 | skbohra | sheki: there's a tab in this spreadsheet |
| 07:28.18 | skbohra | ah its showing only two from my institute while we were three :/ |
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| 07:36.18 | sheki | skbohra: which univ? |
| 07:37.02 | skbohra | sheki: govt engg college bikaner |
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| 07:37.36 | sheki | which project were u involved with? |
| 07:39.59 | skbohra | sheki: Sahana Disaster Management System |
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| 08:01.09 | cbx | skbohra: the list is of 2009. Do lists come out after gsoc entries have closed? |
| 08:02.05 | skbohra | cbx: yes |
| 08:05.22 | skbohra | cbx: it's a community work |
| 08:06.18 | cbx | fwiw, the community can setup 2010 in advance and mentors can mention their interest for 2010 |
| 08:07.55 | skbohra | cbx: yup |
| 08:08.05 | skbohra | there's nothing stopping |
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| 08:17.25 | kblin | given that it's usually a few nice individuals who create these lists, I doubt someone will take the effort of contacting all prospective mentoring orgs |
| 08:18.45 | cbx | If mentoring organisations had a form to fill up other than to google, I doubt they would mind doing that |
| 08:19.25 | kblin | it's a great way to look stupid if you fill it out and then don't get accepted :) |
| 08:21.32 | skbohra | kblin: :D |
| 08:22.19 | kblin | but, good point, I need to bug my orgs about their ideas pages again |
| 08:22.20 | cbx | kblin: ego issues eh? |
| 08:22.32 | cbx | (wrt feeling stupid) |
| 08:23.15 | kblin | cbx: no, I'm pretty certain my projects make it in. We have before, I see no reason why this would change :) |
| 08:23.24 | skbohra | cbx: make a google form and ask all orgs to fill, here you go |
| 08:24.00 | cbx | skbohra: already thought of that |
| 08:24.06 | cbx | will do it when my brain is actually working |
| 08:24.20 | cbx | I've slept for 16 hours or so now |
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| 08:25.45 | skbohra | I wish some org from india apply and get through, I know geography doesn't matter in oss but still |
| 08:26.31 | thiago_home | orgs are mostly global anyway |
| 08:27.30 | kblin | skbohra: how do you determine the nationality of an org? |
| 08:28.01 | skbohra | kblin: I know, there's no point thinking this :) |
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| 08:30.43 | skbohra | kblin: no point, right |
| 08:30.53 | kblin | I mean I don't really know how lh and the others decide which orgs make the cut and which don't, but if I had to do the choosing, and there was an org with obvious nationalistic tendencies, I'd suggest to them to do their own local variant of GSoC and not pick them :) |
| 08:31.20 | skbohra | kblin: certainly , I would also suggest same |
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| 08:33.35 | kblin | of course you could apply different metrics to determine the nationality, but all of them seem weird. like "nation where the project's name was first registered as a trademark" or "nation where most of the project's servers are located" |
| 08:34.08 | kblin | or of course "nation where most active developers are from" |
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| 08:34.47 | kblin | and I'd expect that for most projects, at least one of these three metrics creates a different answer than the other two |
| 08:34.53 | Catfish_Man | kblin: the latter seems like the most accurate to me |
| 08:35.11 | Catfish_Man | adium is "US with a dash of German and Spanish" by it, which is about what you'll find on the irc channel |
| 08:35.36 | kblin | Catfish_Man: dunno, taking this example further, that'd make Wine Dutch and Samba German |
| 08:35.51 | kblin | currently, that is |
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| 08:36.57 | danderson | country of origin of the developer pool is never a factor in the decision, just to clarify |
| 08:37.23 | danderson | there are so many other factors about the project that are way more important (healthy community, mature project, clear idea of what they want...) |
| 08:37.36 | kblin | danderson: sure thing |
| 08:39.39 | kblin | danderson: I think my example of "nationalistic tendencies" was more like "all devs from nation X, state that they will only accept new developers from nation X", which for me probably fails the "healthy community" check |
| 08:39.52 | skbohra | many of the projects failed to grow because of lack of exposure to global community |
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| 08:40.57 | kblin | danderson: like "all variables and comments in the code are German" seems to be a bad starting point to get non-German devs |
| 08:41.19 | danderson | kblin: yes. A segregated community is not a healthy community. |
| 08:42.25 | kblin | thinking of this a bit more.. I wouldn't want to work on code with all German variables and comments... |
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| 08:44.57 | skbohra | I think I couldn't able to explain what I meant, I would rather blog about it |
| 08:45.01 | skbohra | after some research |
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| 09:49.31 | danderson | busy |
| 09:49.47 | danderson | and there's nothing to say, therefore we don't say anything |
| 09:50.54 | mbhagya | hey.. sorry.. m new to irc.. :) was checking out the ME command |
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| 09:54.14 | ojwb | think of it as the calm before the storm |
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| 15:50.42 | skbohra | when is the org applications date starting ? |
| 15:51.35 | ojwb | early march iirc |
| 15:51.55 | skbohra | got it , site is up now |
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| 16:58.39 | kblin | ojwb: see !next |
| 16:58.42 | kblin | !next |
| 16:58.42 | socinfo | "next" is Mentoring organizations can submit their applications for GSoC2010 on March 8th, see http://bit.ly/9hFpcb |
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