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| 08:59.49 | ericb2 | hello |
| 09:00.04 | ericb2 | searching information about the timeline for the next Google SoC |
| 09:00.21 | ericb2 | is there a page, or some wiki where this is written ? |
| 09:00.31 | ericb2 | thanks in advance, and Happy New Year :-) |
| 09:01.10 | Catfish_Man | ericb2: in general that's not announced until somewhat later |
| 09:01.27 | Catfish_Man | but if you read pretty much any tech news site, it'll mention it when it's announced, I've found |
| 09:02.07 | thebolt | google haven't yet said there will be a next gsoc.. which is why there is no timeline yet |
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| 09:02.27 | ericb2 | Catfish_Man: thebolt thanks to both of you :) |
| 09:02.46 | [mharrison] | There probably *won't* be a next GSoC since Google has already promised to send all of the money directly to me. Sorry to inform you |
| 09:03.04 | Catfish_Man | begins plotting how to redirect mail |
| 09:03.33 | aghisla | there could be a MSoC - [mharrison]'s summer of code |
| 09:03.45 | [mharrison] | Who says I'll want to share! |
| 09:04.01 | aghisla | :D |
| 09:04.15 | [mharrison] | Actually, I'll fund any free software project dedicated to getting me more money |
| 09:04.40 | ericb2 | found usefull info there : http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 12:13.37 | kblin | ah, home sweet home |
| 12:14.50 | nego | :D |
| 12:15.15 | kblin | time to do some shopping.. |
| 12:15.21 | nego | D: |
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| 12:15.30 | thebolt | wb kblin |
| 12:15.37 | nego | Actually, I'm not sure how I feel about that. |
| 12:15.41 | thebolt | very fun flight, eh? ;) |
| 12:16.07 | kblin | great.. I hate flying east |
| 12:16.15 | [mharrison] | =D |
| 12:16.29 | [mharrison] | What, don't like losing time? |
| 12:16.31 | kblin | even though I got some sleep, I still feel like it's jan 3rd |
| 12:16.55 | nego | I feel the same way. =/ |
| 12:17.17 | kblin | of course I don't mind it being monday, otherwise getting some food for tonight would be tricky |
| 12:17.38 | thebolt | i think worst flight i've had so far is the there+back to last years mentor summit, across the date border, twice in one weekend.. |
| 12:17.52 | kblin | [mharrison]: you lose time both ways |
| 12:17.58 | kblin | thebolt: ok, I agree that sucks |
| 12:18.00 | thebolt | only help was the 10 cm extra legroom and one seat less per row i managed to secure.. |
| 12:18.17 | [mharrison] | What? Going West is like traveling into the PAST |
| 12:18.22 | thebolt | hm, not last year.. year before last :) |
| 12:18.25 | thebolt | 2008 ;) |
| 12:18.39 | thebolt | counts first error w.r.t. which year it is.. damn, that took long |
| 12:19.18 | kblin | [mharrison]: but you still arrive after you left |
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| 12:20.08 | [mharrison] | Depending on the speed and distance of travel |
| 12:20.51 | kblin | I only travel east to portugal and california |
| 12:21.02 | kblin | usually, that is |
| 12:21.44 | thebolt | kblin: going from california to taiwan.. that is east, but you land west of where you start ;) |
| 12:21.58 | [mharrison] | That's a helluva journey, going East from Germany to California |
| 12:22.09 | kblin | tell me about it |
| 12:22.24 | kblin | but it's about a 15 hour flight and only 9 hours of time difference |
| 12:22.53 | nego | The world really ought to be a smaller place. |
| 12:23.08 | kblin | somebody should invent reliable beaming |
| 12:23.15 | nego | Fund it! |
| 12:23.21 | [mharrison] | The world IS tiny |
| 12:23.42 | nego | Far out! |
| 12:24.34 | [mharrison] | Consider the fact that the star Beetlegeuse is larger than the ORBIT of Jupiter, and you'll realize just how tiny this planet is |
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| 12:28.17 | nego | Kind of makes a person feel insignificant. D: |
| 12:29.14 | [mharrison] | Yup! I love it |
| 12:30.12 | kblin | nego: I can see that in your case, but I'm still in the middle of the universe :) |
| 12:30.20 | [mharrison] | lol |
| 12:30.48 | nego | Maybe I could get me a space island someday. |
| 12:30.56 | [mharrison] | You and your tiny "middle" of the universe, unable to see past roughly 13.5 billion light years using your most advanced instruments |
| 12:31.33 | thebolt | kblin: well, if nothing else you can just define a metric space that has you as its center, and what you say is true ;) |
| 12:31.43 | thebolt | (for some kind of definition of center) |
| 12:32.23 | [mharrison] | thebolt, well it turns out everywhere in the universe in the center, since the universe is infinite |
| 12:32.28 | nego | Luckily for me, my religion that worships Hulk Hogan doesn't believe in the universe. |
| 12:32.35 | [mharrison] | lol |
| 12:32.51 | thebolt | [mharrison]: universe does not have to be infinite.. iirc it has not yet been proven if it is infinite or finite |
| 12:32.52 | nego | It's just a giant painting! Wake up people! |
| 12:32.59 | thebolt | (with or without boundary for the finite case) |
| 12:33.25 | [mharrison] | thebolt, it's infinite as far as we can tell. We've only been able to see 13.5 billion light years out, and that's an estimate. |
| 12:33.33 | kblin | oh, my religion is less strict.. it just forbids drinks with names starting with "diet" and vegetarian food posing as meat |
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| 12:33.45 | thebolt | [mharrison]: when was that proved? ie the infinity? |
| 12:33.53 | [mharrison] | kblin, hmm, I might have to join that |
| 12:34.01 | nego | Oh, it's not that my religion is strict.. It's just that I make it up as I go along! |
| 12:34.04 | thebolt | [mharrison]: as far as i've read there are about as much concensus on infinite as finite-without-boundary |
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| 12:34.28 | kblin | nego: fair enough :) |
| 12:34.44 | thebolt | (about the visibility, sure, but i am talking about the underlaying structure ;) |
| 12:35.32 | nego | There is, of course, one unbreakable rule of my religion. That is that Hulkamania is the most powerful force on earth. |
| 12:35.37 | [mharrison] | thebolt, how could you tell the finite-ness of the universe? It's not done growing or contracting yet |
| 12:36.00 | thebolt | [mharrison]: the energy density for one |
| 12:36.09 | thebolt | [mharrison]: note that finite does not imply it has a boundary |
| 12:36.31 | thebolt | (a sphere is finite but without boundary.. extend it to N dimensions where N isn't exactly known yet ;) |
| 12:37.26 | [mharrison] | How can something without boundary be finite? There's (in)finite size, and there's (in)finite quantity |
| 12:37.39 | thebolt | no |
| 12:37.44 | thebolt | think about it |
| 12:37.55 | [mharrison] | I have, I'm an astronomy minor |
| 12:37.56 | thebolt | the surface of the earth is finite |
| 12:38.04 | thebolt | but without boundary |
| 12:38.12 | [mharrison] | How is the Earth without boundary? |
| 12:38.22 | thebolt | where is the boundary of the _surface_ of the earth? |
| 12:38.46 | thebolt | (the 2d surface, not the 3d sphere) |
| 12:38.58 | [mharrison] | 2d? o.O |
| 12:39.13 | thebolt | the surface of a sphere in 3d is 2d ;) |
| 12:39.37 | thebolt | (the boundary of any N-dimensional object is N-1-dimensional..) |
| 12:39.40 | [mharrison] | Don't you go mathematical on me, I'll have you know I've failed Calculus multiple times =P |
| 12:39.48 | kblin | hehe |
| 12:39.52 | thebolt | well, it is all about maths :P |
| 12:40.06 | thebolt | (and it is rather astrophysics or cosmology than astronomy ;) |
| 12:40.29 | thebolt | so loves differential geometry.. too bad i couldn't take the specific course on it this autumn |
| 12:40.44 | thebolt | (and no, not really, but it is interesting) |
| 12:40.54 | kblin | now we're happy it's just (roughly) a sphere.. |
| 12:41.02 | [mharrison] | thebolt, as usual, xkcd has an appropriate comic http://xkcd.com/435/ |
| 12:41.09 | kblin | imagine if it was a weird shape like a klein bottle |
| 12:41.59 | thebolt | [mharrison]: hehe, i'm not a matematician but studied a fair bit of it ;) |
| 12:42.10 | [mharrison] | I'm taking linear algebra next semester, and I'm eager to study something that isn't calc |
| 12:42.50 | thebolt | [mharrison]: my field is applied physics and electrical engineering.. (but with about 3 semesters out of total 10 semesters full-time maths) |
| 12:43.12 | [mharrison] | Nice |
| 12:43.25 | thebolt | mostly calculus of different kinds ;) |
| 12:43.29 | [mharrison] | I started out an astronomy double major (with CS) but due to time, switched to a minor |
| 12:44.05 | [mharrison] | I find I'm more interested in provable things than theoretical things like cosmology. Stellar evolution is the most fascinating thing in the world to me, followed closely by sexual psycholody |
| 12:45.30 | thebolt | cosmology, particle physics and similar is just hobby for me ;) |
| 12:45.42 | thebolt | QM |
| 12:45.53 | [mharrison] | FFFUUUU QM and string theory |
| 12:46.12 | thebolt | haha |
| 12:46.25 | thebolt | you and Einstein, eh? ;) refusing to accept QM |
| 12:47.12 | [mharrison] | I don't like science that can't be tested/proven by experiment |
| 12:47.21 | thebolt | QM can and has been proven by experiment |
| 12:47.38 | [mharrison] | Parts of it |
| 12:47.43 | thebolt | not all aspects of it, but the foundations at least |
| 12:48.49 | thebolt | the quantum-mechanical double-slit experiment is easy enough to show that pre-QM theories are not enough at least (and QM explains it and predicts it) |
| 12:50.31 | [mharrison] | double-slit == Maxwell's wave/particle duality experiment? |
| 12:51.16 | thebolt | yes, and the quantum version is that you use electrons or even atoms instead of photons |
| 12:51.31 | [mharrison] | Ah |
| 12:52.03 | thebolt | and for electrons you can shoot them one at a time, and still get interference |
| 12:52.14 | thebolt | or well, for any souce ;) |
| 12:52.25 | thebolt | but it is most strange when you do it for something larger :P |
| 12:53.07 | [mharrison] | As Google is reminding us today, Newton will handle the larger stuff |
| 12:53.40 | thebolt | not when going through a double slit ;) |
| 12:53.53 | thebolt | (then newton won't even handle light;) |
| 12:56.41 | [mharrison] | Now I gotta register for an astronomy course next semester...jerk |
| 12:57.23 | thebolt | haha |
| 12:57.44 | thebolt | if i by discussion contributed to make the average population of the world a little bit more educated, i made a good deed that day :) |
| 12:57.51 | [mharrison] | lol |
| 12:58.14 | [mharrison] | Sadly, it's been far too many semester since I've taken an astronomy course. Easy to lose sight of education for fun and education for requirements |
| 13:01.27 | thebolt | heh |
| 13:01.32 | thebolt | have no more courses to take.. |
| 13:01.57 | thebolt | at least not for this degree |
| 13:02.30 | [mharrison] | I'm on my last semester, my 6th |
| 13:02.41 | [mharrison] | Er, 6th year, 11th semester |
| 13:05.20 | thebolt | 5th year for me, also last semester.. doing my (master) thesis right now.. just about to have a meeting to set the time planning etc for that ;) |
| 13:06.30 | [mharrison] | Ah, nice |
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| 13:06.50 | [mharrison] | Hopefully I'll get to my master's some day, but for now, finishing the undergrad then paying rent |
| 13:07.27 | thebolt | :) |
| 13:07.54 | thebolt | i'm thinking about continuing one step more, but i have to see what i can find.. otherwise i'll probably study language next year |
| 13:08.05 | [mharrison] | ADHD and college degrees are unfortunately not good bedfellows |
| 13:08.28 | [mharrison] | Language as in communication, or language as in programming languages? |
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| 13:08.54 | thebolt | former |
| 13:09.01 | [mharrison] | Ah |
| 13:09.08 | thebolt | a specific language rather, mandarin chinese |
| 13:09.31 | [mharrison] | For me, language is only interesting when it's related to conveying software engineering requirements |
| 13:09.41 | nego | ^ |
| 13:09.55 | nego | Although, I did have to learn Russian as a kid. =/ |
| 13:10.15 | thebolt | heh, well, after finishing 5 years of german in elementary/highschool i said i would never learn another language |
| 13:10.28 | nego | I remember there was a kid in my gradeschool who was learning mandarin and he was always saying, "You think you have it bad?!" |
| 13:10.35 | thebolt | (i have swedish as first, english as second and i guess german as third language) |
| 13:10.52 | nego | Yeah, I had to study Spanish in HS and I've forgotten all of it. |
| 13:10.56 | thebolt | but last year i lived on taiwan (exchange studies) |
| 13:11.13 | thebolt | and couldn't pass up the chance to learn some mandarin |
| 13:11.19 | nego | Ahh |
| 13:11.28 | thebolt | now i think i'll go back next year and study it full-time for a year (or so) |
| 13:11.33 | [mharrison] | I find Western languages to be boring and easy. I hope to study Eastern languages one day, specifically Urdu and Bengali since I hope to visit Northeastern India |
| 13:11.45 | nego | Learning Russian wasn't too bad after the alphabet, since my first language is Polish and other than the alphabet it's basically the same. |
| 13:12.11 | thebolt | just spent an hour this mornign recapping a little of his chinese reading/writing.. |
| 13:12.36 | thebolt | the (traditional) chinese writing take so damn long to remember... |
| 13:12.46 | nego | I would love to learn one of the romance languages well, but I I'd feel bad if I spoke it poorly. |
| 13:12.52 | nego | thebolt: I bet. |
| 13:13.10 | nego | I'm actually trying to get used to the Cyrillic keyboard layout atm. |
| 13:13.31 | thebolt | hehe |
| 13:13.55 | [mharrison] | Romance languages are great as a utility. I remember when I used to speak Spanish to Italians on IRC, and they'd speak Italian, and we'd understand each other |
| 13:14.13 | nego | I always hear that. |
| 13:14.22 | nego | I was actually born in France, but don't speak any. |
| 13:14.41 | [mharrison] | And now that I know some Latin, the Romance languages are even easier |
| 13:14.41 | nego | Whenever I go to Canada I always get a border guard that starts speaking in French to me. |
| 13:14.55 | nego | I do know a bit of Latin. |
| 13:14.55 | thebolt | nego: ;) |
| 13:15.50 | nego | After picking up tons of Latin phrases, I learned some rudimentary grammar and that was it. |
| 13:16.01 | [mharrison] | That's what you need though |
| 13:16.27 | [mharrison] | Same with programming languages...just get the fundamentals and the syntax is cake |
| 13:16.32 | nego | Yeah. |
| 13:16.52 | nego | Thank God Polish was my native language... I don't think I could ever get the case system down otherwise. |
| 13:16.58 | [mharrison] | lol! |
| 13:17.42 | nego | I remember when I finally understood the structure of Russian and it was kind of like learning Scheme after C. |
| 13:18.02 | thebolt | bbl |
| 13:18.06 | nego | I was like, "Wait... You mean you don't have to conjugate EVERY SINGLE THING IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY?!" |
| 13:18.33 | [mharrison] | lol |
| 13:19.08 | [mharrison] | Scheme after C is hellish |
| 13:19.30 | nego | I think my "little schemer" copy still has a bit of my brain matter on it from years ago. |
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| 13:20.10 | [mharrison] | I don't care what MIT says, I hate SICP |
| 13:20.17 | nego | I remember getting angry at the book and thinking "YOU CAN'T DO THAT!" |
| 13:20.43 | nego | There are a few parts of SICP that are fantastic. |
| 13:20.53 | nego | Actually, those few parts comprise like half the book. |
| 13:22.28 | [mharrison] | Well if you strip the stupid programming language out of SICP, it's a great book - but then you can find that information in books that aren't SICP ;) |
| 13:22.52 | nego | I kind of like scheme. |
| 13:22.57 | nego | Well, I like thinking in it anyway. |
| 13:23.03 | [mharrison] | Blech |
| 13:23.40 | nego | If I'm thinking of something that purely functional, I usually compose it mentally in Scheme. |
| 13:23.47 | nego | Complete with parenthesis! |
| 13:24.07 | nego | Of course, I rarely code in it. |
| 13:25.59 | nego | I will admit, writing modern & practical applications in scheme isn't exactly fun. |
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| 13:28.25 | [mharrison] | If I'm going to learn the fundamentals of programming, why Scheme? Why not just pseudo-code? |
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| 13:29.13 | nego | What would be different in the pseudo-code? |
| 13:30.27 | [mharrison] | It would be as equivalently useful as learning Scheme |
| 13:30.33 | [mharrison] | Moreso, actually |
| 13:31.41 | nego | I think Scheme is a good fit for a pseudo language, and it has good implementations and nice IDEs already. |
| 13:32.20 | nego | Especially for starting off and learning function composition and abstraction. |
| 13:32.26 | [mharrison] | But how many books have you read that use Scheme vs pseudo code? |
| 13:32.38 | nego | Probably about even. |
| 13:32.48 | [mharrison] | Really? You read weird books =P |
| 13:32.53 | nego | Well, if I count lisp with scheme it is. :D |
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| 13:33.17 | nego | Also, to be fair, a lot of the scheme/lisp books were thinner. |
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| 13:36.32 | brianherman | nego: I aggreee |
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| 14:56.49 | kblin | nego: I think scheme is a lousy pseudo-code language.. pseudo-code is supposed to be easy to read |
| 14:57.08 | kblin | :) |
| 14:58.40 | thebolt | Scheme is easy to read.. |
| 14:58.47 | thebolt | at least most of it |
| 14:58.51 | thebolt | if you are careful ;) |
| 14:59.29 | kblin | dunno. not the way they teach it at this university |
| 15:00.02 | kblin | ocaml was the first readable functional language I encountered.. apart from python, I guess |
| 15:00.09 | thebolt | heh |
| 15:04.03 | kblin | also, most pseudo-code I came across was procedural, not functional.. scheme is a bad fit for that as well :) |
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