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| 14:14.24 | Lennie | hi ^_^ |
| 14:14.48 | Lennie | It sure has gotten quiet around here :D |
| 14:16.13 | skbohra | not for long now |
| 14:17.45 | Lennie | nope |
| 14:17.48 | Lennie | we're talking |
| 14:17.55 | Lennie | how's life treating you :) |
| 14:18.49 | skbohra | going nice, |
| 14:19.11 | Lennie | anything interesting you are working on :)? |
| 14:19.34 | skbohra | we have a release planned on 26th for Sahana :) |
| 14:19.53 | Lennie | on the 26th? |
| 14:20.01 | Lennie | intersting date :P |
| 14:20.13 | Lennie | tsunami right :)? |
| 14:20.18 | skbohra | yes |
| 14:20.23 | skbohra | 5th anniv |
| 14:20.30 | Lennie | if you want to call it an anniv :D |
| 14:21.13 | skbohra | oops |
| 14:21.13 | Lennie | sounds great, anything interesting in the release? |
| 14:22.08 | skbohra | mainly a bug fix release |
| 14:22.42 | skbohra | I am particularly working on a module installer module for sahana |
| 14:23.02 | Lennie | sounds kinda circular :P |
| 14:23.13 | skbohra | hehe |
| 14:24.16 | skbohra | this module will help Sahana over power the world :D |
| 14:24.25 | Lennie | ^^ |
| 14:24.32 | Lennie | does it have lasers :P? |
| 14:26.11 | skbohra | nuclear bombs controlling :P |
| 14:26.56 | Lennie | bit too destructive for my taste but nice :) |
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| 14:47.38 | Lennie | skbohra: good luck on your release, ttyl :) |
| 14:48.03 | skbohra | thanks |
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| 20:33.03 | tombee | Hi, I'm wondering what sort of level of expertise is required to get accepted into GSOC? |
| 20:34.05 | tombee | I'm currently a Computer Science undergrad at Uni (in the UK), on a year out working for HP in Germany. |
| 20:34.33 | tombee | Unsatisfied with the amount of experience I'm gaining, would like to give myself a boost with a 'real' project I could work on to gain experience :) |
| 20:37.41 | lcuk | it would take infinite expertise to get into the gsoc at this time of year! unless of course you are a time traveller and can make it summer again |
| 20:38.12 | tombee | Heh I understand that, I'm trying to gauge an idea for March next year? :P |
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| 20:38.50 | lcuk | indeed :D |
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| 21:28.38 | kblin | tombee: the amount of experience needed for gsoc really depends on the project you're interested in |
| 21:29.45 | kblin | tombee: I'd suggest you try to pick an interesting mentoring org (or more than one) and start hanging out in their community already |
| 21:30.11 | tombee | This is a hard question, my worry is I won't have gained sufficient experience in software development by the time that I leave university. Therefore making myself less attractive to potential employers :/ I'm guessing most employers are going to be looking for Java/C# experience. |
| 21:31.12 | tombee | My interests probably lie more in systems programming, I'd like to try some kernel development, and perhaps security based development. This could be perhaps 'putting all of my eggs in one basket' though. |
| 21:32.29 | tombee | The application development I do in my job currently (as an intern) is incredibly boring, and there's no will to have quality code, no code reviews etc. |
| 21:33.36 | tombee | So even when I do get to work on some code, I'm getting no feedback on how it could be improved. Though, saying that judging by the code that's already in the application, I'm not sure they'd be in any position to provide 'expert' feedback :) |
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| 21:35.43 | dhaun | tombee: I'd say you should know the programming language that the project is using. Everything else you'll learn "on the job". That's what the mentors are for, among other things. |
| 21:36.54 | tombee | Hehe, 'knowing' the programming language is quite vague, I 'use' C/Java/C# but I wouldn't say I 'know' them to a good level though. |
| 21:37.04 | tombee | I'm sure that takes a long time :) |
| 21:40.23 | dhaun | depends on the project - I explicitly picked a beginner this year for the project I mentored. Other projects we had clearly needed someone quite familiar with the language |
| 21:42.26 | kblin | tombee: I thought I knew C before I started my first GSoC :) |
| 21:42.48 | tombee | Hehe :) |
| 21:43.29 | tombee | I suppose there's a huge amount of competition for GSoC though? :( |
| 21:44.03 | kblin | depends |
| 21:44.55 | kblin | I've been having a hard time finding people with C development skills for Samba development :) |
| 21:45.17 | tombee | Ah sounds cool |
| 21:45.24 | tombee | Linux/Unix work? |
| 21:45.26 | kblin | competition for the one python slot we had was pretty hard |
| 21:45.28 | kblin | yeah |
| 21:45.36 | tombee | I was just looking through project ideas on FreeBSD and Debian sites |
| 21:46.09 | tombee | I'd be interested in that :) |
| 21:47.31 | tombee | What mentoring organisation is that for kblin ? |
| 21:47.54 | kblin | Samba. http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/SoC/Ideas was the ideas list we had this year |
| 21:48.21 | kblin | we'll have to go over that if there's a GSoC 2010 |
| 21:49.38 | kblin | but from a first glance the Samba3 projects are still valid |
| 21:50.22 | tombee | Nice, I see they're down as difficulty: Hard! :) |
| 21:51.00 | kblin | RPC support for the registry configuration is medium :) |
| 21:51.20 | kblin | the C-based projects for Samba4 seem reasonable as well. the python projects were all taken this year already |
| 21:51.32 | kblin | probably also because they looked easier |
| 21:51.44 | tombee | I'm not really interested in python to be honest :) |
| 21:52.11 | kblin | it's a bit hard to guess the difficulty of projects for people who have been in the codebase for quite a while |
| 21:52.56 | tombee | Yeah I guess so, just from the descriptions of the projects, to tell you the truth I have no idea on those 'hard' difficulty ones |
| 21:53.00 | tombee | as to what would be required :) |
| 21:53.16 | kblin | neither have I, to be honest |
| 21:53.32 | tombee | Remove use of unexpected.tdb |
| 21:53.37 | tombee | This looks interesting |
| 21:53.58 | kblin | that's part of the trick.. you're expected to talk to the proposed mentors to figure out what the project would be about |
| 21:54.31 | kblin | as mentoring orgs we have had bad experience with providing too much detail on the ideas pages |
| 21:54.49 | kblin | gives you loads of people who simply cut&paste your own proposal |
| 21:55.25 | tombee | I see |
| 21:55.46 | tombee | Any ideas how much work is involved in majority of these projects? |
| 21:56.04 | tombee | I know it's selfish, but I'd still like some time to myself ;) |
| 21:56.28 | kblin | well, in general we expect people to work on the project like it was a real job |
| 21:56.48 | tombee | Ah. |
| 21:57.16 | tombee | That could be a bit of a problem, as I do actually have a job :p |
| 21:57.20 | kblin | I think I put in around 30-40 hours a week in average when I was a student |
| 21:57.42 | kblin | well, doing both job and gsoc usually doesn't work out |
| 21:57.54 | tombee | Yep I can imagine |
| 21:58.24 | kblin | but you do realize that if you mostly care about the "real project work experience", you don't need to wait for GSoC, right? |
| 21:58.34 | tombee | Well this is what I was getting to ;) |
| 21:58.51 | tombee | I'd just dive into any 'projects' I could get my hands on that were interesting |
| 21:59.28 | tombee | but the 'mentoring' would be useful, as jumping headfirst into one of these code bases would be pretty difficult I imagine |
| 21:59.47 | kblin | well, the mentor for the unexpected.tdb project is vl in #samba-technical |
| 22:00.10 | kblin | I'm sure he's happy to help you along with that if you're interested |
| 22:00.34 | tombee | I'll check through the list of all of them and see :) |
| 22:01.31 | kblin | alternatively, for samba you can either drop by on #samba-technical or on the samba-technical mailing list, describe what you're interested in and see what people need help with |
| 22:01.50 | kblin | I'm prtty sure other projects are pretty similar |
| 22:02.03 | tombee | I was just checking the Kernel projects at the bottom. |
| 22:02.11 | kblin | I've yet to meet a project that's like "nah, we have enough developers, go away!" |
| 22:02.28 | tombee | I understand that, but it's more the overhead of getting a new developer up to speed :) |
| 22:03.34 | kblin | yeah, but skilled developers don't grow on trees.. so if you're serious about getting involved, you're likely to get someone willing to help you along |
| 22:03.52 | tombee | I'm serious about getting real development experience |
| 22:04.43 | tombee | I'm just unsure at this point of where to focus my time, as I'm wondering whether C is becoming less popular to employers? |
| 22:05.05 | tombee | Let's face it, there's so many companies out there that want Java/.NET developers :( |
| 22:05.46 | Catfish_Man | uses C and Objective-C at work mostly |
| 22:05.52 | Catfish_Man | ...actually pretty much entirely |
| 22:06.13 | tombee | Hehe I understand that C is still popular, but are times changing? :) |
| 22:06.33 | tombee | I know C won't 'die' as someone would have to rewrite a LOT of code :P |
| 22:07.03 | tombee | I just suppose there will be more competition for C oriented jobs :) |
| 22:08.00 | Catfish_Man | tbh we are slowly moving stuff over to objc more |
| 22:08.00 | tombee | Who is 'we'? :) (if you don't mind me asking) |
| 22:08.16 | Catfish_Man | I work at Apple |
| 22:08.18 | Catfish_Man | Cocoa frameworks |
| 22:08.25 | tombee | Hehe thought so, awesome. |
| 22:08.42 | tombee | I'd like to work for Apple, but I'm sure that would be pretty difficult to get a job there :) |
| 22:09.15 | Catfish_Man | eh, you've got the right idea. The majority of my experience is working on OSS stuff for 5-6 years |
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| 22:09.23 | Catfish_Man | I'm also mostly self-taught |
| 22:09.32 | tombee | OS Security? |
| 22:09.44 | Catfish_Man | open source software |
| 22:09.49 | tombee | Ah ok cool :) |
| 22:10.12 | tombee | I saw a few security vacancies at Apple, I applied for them but no reply ;) |
| 22:10.47 | tombee | I thought this job at HP would be good, but I'm just a testing slave |
| 22:10.50 | tombee | and bug fixing slave :( |
| 22:10.57 | Catfish_Man | other than occasionally getting yelled at in bugs by them I can't say I know much about the security folks |
| 22:12.13 | tombee | I want a new macbook (pro) :P |
| 22:12.37 | tombee | I can't justify the price though, I have a first gen macbook hehe |
| 22:12.56 | Catfish_Man | ouch. I skipped the first gens, got a second |
| 22:13.39 | Catfish_Man | the writing was on the wall for 32 bit processors, and first-gen gear is always a bit rough anyway |
| 22:13.39 | tombee | Hehe, I like it, had no problems with it :) |
| 22:13.49 | tombee | Well, the battery died, but they replaced that. |
| 22:13.58 | tombee | Had no problems with discolouration |
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| 22:14.47 | tombee | Can't even remember how old this macbook is |
| 22:14.52 | tombee | And it still feels like new :) |
| 22:27.58 | tombee | kblin: do you know of any other mentoring organisations that might accept someone to work on projects outside of GSoC? |
| 22:28.04 | tombee | Along the lines of systems programming |
| 22:28.20 | tombee | perhaps kernel development, or security programming? |
| 22:40.15 | kblin | just look and ask |
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