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| 16:09.03 | aghisla | ~2 hrs before deadline. Bye all! |
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| 16:49.51 | ScottMac | no lh :/ |
| 16:50.07 | Ivanovic | yes, lh has been absent from irc for *ages* by now |
| 16:50.16 | Ivanovic | ScottMac: if you want to reach her, send her a mail |
| 16:50.29 | ScottMac | yeah i shall |
| 16:50.50 | ScottMac | we have a student we're failing and I have a feeling he won't fill in his review |
| 16:56.37 | MatthewWilkes | ScottMac: If you're failing him who cares if he does his review? |
| 16:57.32 | ScottMac | would still like feedback from where he thinks we sucked |
| 16:57.55 | spectie | hello everyone |
| 16:58.07 | spectie | the midterm evaluation survey |
| 16:58.14 | spectie | is the same one as was given at the midterm |
| 16:58.20 | spectie | do we need to fill it out again and submit ? |
| 16:58.26 | spectie | if so is it possible to see the previous answers |
| 16:58.41 | spectie | because it asks stuff like " 1. How old were you when you started using a general purpose computer? Please answer is years, e.g. 3 years." |
| 16:58.53 | spectie | and i can't remember if i put 10 or 11 |
| 17:00.53 | MatthewWilkes | spectie: I think it's the same, so I left it. It is optional |
| 17:01.14 | kblin | spectie: what MatthewWilkes said |
| 17:01.15 | spectie | ok |
| 17:01.23 | spectie | thanks :) |
| 17:01.36 | spectie | it was read |
| 17:01.42 | spectie | *red |
| 17:01.51 | warren | I don't know how to grade this GSoC student. |
| 17:01.53 | spectie | i was concerned |
| 17:01.56 | MatthewWilkes | yeah, but I think it's just a new set of deadlines |
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| 17:01.57 | spectie | now my concerns are allayed |
| 17:02.40 | warren | He made some real useful progress in the first half, but he had a personal issue to deal with in the second half and was mostly absent. Only in the last day did he commit some useful code, but it is a bit too little and too late. |
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| 17:10.46 | volkmar | !count |
| 17:10.46 | socinfo | Error: "count" is not a valid command. |
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| 17:10.54 | volkmar | !time |
| 17:10.54 | socinfo | "time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
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| 17:15.49 | warren | If the student overall mostly due to pre-midterm made good progress, but demonstrated less commitment in the second half, are we supposed to pass them? |
| 17:16.07 | warren | I'm conflicted in deciding between pass/fail. |
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| 17:18.53 | warren | Are there written guidelines on how to decide pass/fail when they are very borderline? |
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| 17:23.11 | warren | eh nevermind, I have to move on. |
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| 18:00.31 | Ivanovic | ohoh, just one hour left |
| 18:01.33 | codestasher | ivanovic 1 hour left for ? |
| 18:01.44 | t0ms | codestasher: final eval. |
| 18:01.44 | Ivanovic | submitting final evals |
| 18:01.52 | codestasher | results ? |
| 18:01.56 | t0ms | codestasher: tomorrow |
| 18:01.59 | t0ms | !timeline |
| 18:02.00 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline, or (#2) if you prefer a pretty visual timeline see http://is.gd/141Tu |
| 18:02.06 | t0ms | !next |
| 18:02.06 | socinfo | "next" is Final evaluations due by August 24th, final results announced August 25th, 19:00 UTC |
| 18:03.01 | dhaun | does anyone remember if we (the orgs) can pre-announce that our students passed? or should we wait for Google to announce it? |
| 18:03.26 | t0ms | dhaun: my mentor has told me already |
| 18:03.26 | thebolt | dhaun: in general, wait for google for all kind of announcements |
| 18:03.46 | Ivanovic | dhaun: in general the students should have a good idea if they passed or not |
| 18:03.47 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 18:03.57 | dhaun | yeah, we told our students - I meant announcing it on our website |
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| 18:31.47 | MarkDoliner | I should probably know the answer to this, but I'm an org admin and two mentors have not filled out their final survey. How bad is it if the survey hasn't been filled out by noon? |
| 18:32.10 | Ivanovic | *really* bad |
| 18:32.26 | Ivanovic | that is: without surveys filled you are less likely to get invited to the mentor summit |
| 18:33.17 | Ivanovic | MarkDoliner: though you can fill it out for the mentors as admin |
| 18:33.36 | MarkDoliner | Ivanovic: I'm actually haven't trouble finding that option in the webapp |
| 18:33.39 | Ivanovic | that is: you should know the info or at least have asked your mentors before |
| 18:33.42 | ThomasWaldmann | moin |
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| 18:34.07 | Ivanovic | MarkDoliner: go to "Manage Student Projects" in the side bar |
| 18:34.27 | Ivanovic | there you find the projects listed and the mentor/student evals listed (if you see a 2/2 everywhere things are fine) |
| 18:34.56 | MarkDoliner | Yep |
| 18:35.06 | Ivanovic | those where you got a 1/2 for the mentor listed you should swear about |
| 18:35.52 | Ivanovic | and then click the students name and at "List of all Mentor Evaluations for this Project" click on "Click Here" for the "Google Summer of Code 2009 Final Evaluation for Project Mentors" |
| 18:36.14 | MarkDoliner | I get the error "There is no such active entity." |
| 18:36.30 | MarkDoliner | It seems like that "Click Here" link would allow me to edit an existing survey |
| 18:36.41 | MarkDoliner | But in this case the mentor has not submitted one at all |
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| 18:37.14 | MarkDoliner | I also don't seem to be able to assign myself as a mentor or co-mentor |
| 18:37.36 | MarkDoliner | But I could try assigning someone else as a mentor or co-mentor and asking if they can submit the survey |
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| 18:38.19 | Ivanovic | you should do so *really* quickly |
| 18:40.34 | anothy_x | T: -0:21 :-( |
| 18:41.50 | anothy_x | we're dealing with an awol mentor right now, too. went missing right when the evals went up (coincidentally; for a work conference). no word since. |
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| 18:42.03 | anothy_x | thankfully, i'm both org admin and backup mentor, so filling out the form seems to be working fine. |
| 18:43.28 | Lennie | MarkDoliner, we are aware of that issue |
| 18:43.31 | Lennie | and it has been fixed ^^ |
| 18:43.35 | Lennie | but not live yet |
| 18:43.39 | MarkDoliner | Ivanovic: Thanks for your help! |
| 18:43.43 | MarkDoliner | Lennie: Ah, ok. Thanks |
| 18:43.45 | Ivanovic | MarkDoliner: you are welcome |
| 18:43.47 | Lennie | so yeah, please get someone else to fill it in for you |
| 18:43.54 | Lennie | or invite yourself as a mentor for your organizaiton :) |
| 18:43.57 | MarkDoliner | Yep, we're working on it now |
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| 18:45.10 | ajuonline | Lennie: o hai! |
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| 18:45.16 | Lennie | hello :) |
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| 18:45.31 | ajuonline | how goes? |
| 18:45.36 | Lennie | busy |
| 18:45.37 | ajuonline | still in mvc? |
| 18:45.38 | Lennie | nope |
| 18:45.40 | Lennie | back home :) |
| 18:45.47 | ajuonline | howw as it? |
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| 18:45.50 | Lennie | great |
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| 18:46.28 | ajuonline | :) |
| 18:46.52 | Lennie | all of our students passed :) |
| 18:46.55 | Lennie | so that's cool |
| 18:46.58 | Ivanovic | Lennie: any idea when leslie will be back in irc? |
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| 18:47.59 | Lennie | I can manipulate minds :) |
| 18:48.06 | Lennie | 2 min tops :P |
| 18:48.12 | Ivanovic | :) |
| 18:48.19 | Lennie | you better have something useful to say to her then :P |
| 18:48.29 | Ivanovic | i would have guessed 12 mins since the deadline is over then |
| 18:48.40 | Ivanovic | uhm, you know me, don't you? |
| 18:48.49 | Ivanovic | ever heard anything useful from me? |
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| 18:49.00 | Lennie | you were never a big help :P |
| 18:49.14 | Ivanovic | hi lhawthorn |
| 18:49.22 | Ivanovic | how are you? (beside really stressed) |
| 18:49.23 | lhawthorn | i was told i am needed |
| 18:49.25 | thebolt | greetings lh |
| 18:49.28 | lhawthorn | Ivanovic: not stressed. :) |
| 18:49.31 | Lennie | needed |
| 18:49.33 | Lennie | wanted :D |
| 18:49.50 | ThomasWaldmann | moin lh :) |
| 18:49.50 | Ivanovic | lh: we just missed you all the time you were not around |
| 18:49.51 | ajuonline | always |
| 18:49.53 | lh | lol @ wanteed |
| 18:49.56 | dho | haha |
| 18:49.57 | lh | s/wanteed/wanted |
| 18:50.01 | ajuonline | i can haz more lh ? |
| 18:50.04 | dho | Hi Leslie :) |
| 18:50.07 | lh | yes yes yes here i iz |
| 18:50.11 | lh | how are y'all |
| 18:50.21 | lh | distributes some hugs |
| 18:50.39 | lh | i thought i was being good by trying to make everyone more help each other less talk to the me. |
| 18:50.57 | lh | i suppose that was geek lack of social skillz not realizing that i ought to just turn up to have a nice chat. |
| 18:51.00 | Ivanovic | but, uhm, we missed you |
| 18:51.17 | lh | looks at ceiling, whistles |
| 18:51.21 | lh | hi. |
| 18:51.22 | lh | :) |
| 18:51.26 | ajuonline | yeah right |
| 18:51.26 | Ivanovic | :) |
| 18:51.32 | lh | ajuonline: what? |
| 18:51.45 | ajuonline | social skills kack of? |
| 18:51.50 | ajuonline | err i havent slept for 2 days |
| 18:51.57 | ajuonline | lack of social skills |
| 18:52.03 | lh | ajuonline: that's terrible. do some of that. |
| 18:52.04 | Ivanovic | ajuonline: sleep? |
| 18:52.07 | Ivanovic | probably overrated |
| 18:52.10 | Catfish_Man | hey lh :) |
| 18:52.18 | thebolt | sleep is overrated.. can be done upon retirement.. |
| 18:52.18 | Ivanovic | ask lh, there is some good things against it: |
| 18:52.21 | lh | ajuonline: honestly, i dont have lots of social skills and what little i had was eaten by twitter |
| 18:52.24 | Ivanovic | loads of coffee |
| 18:52.28 | dberkholz | lh: hello there! |
| 18:52.31 | lh | Catfish_Man: hello dear, how are you |
| 18:52.35 | lh | dberkholz: hola! |
| 18:52.36 | thebolt | ahm.. say I who slept from 21 last night to 11 this morning ;) |
| 18:52.37 | dberkholz | lh: my talk finally made it online a week or two ago |
| 18:52.40 | lh | thebolt: and hello to you too |
| 18:52.42 | dberkholz | dunno if you saw my tweet |
| 18:52.44 | lh | dberkholz: share link! |
| 18:52.45 | Catfish_Man | lh: demo in 2-3 days, stressing |
| 18:52.48 | Catfish_Man | other than that, great :) |
| 18:52.48 | ajuonline | lh: i know :D i can tell |
| 18:52.49 | lh | no i have been avoiding twitter |
| 18:52.56 | lh | ajuonline: go with the coffee. :) |
| 18:52.58 | ajuonline | lh has been smitten |
| 18:53.09 | lh | ajuonline: it is NOT just the smitten. |
| 18:53.20 | lh | crazy stuff at home too. just moved too so it will all get much better. |
| 18:53.22 | ajuonline | oh yeah congratulations :D |
| 18:53.26 | dberkholz | lh: http://blip.tv/file/2444432 |
| 18:53.28 | ajuonline | you are mocing in! |
| 18:53.31 | ajuonline | moving* |
| 18:53.32 | MatthewWilkes | lh! :) ltns |
| 18:53.33 | lh | woot! |
| 18:53.33 | dberkholz | have 200mb of temp space free to watch it |
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| 18:53.37 | lh | MatthewWilkes: hello dear |
| 18:53.44 | lh | ThomasWaldmann: and hello to you too my friend |
| 18:54.01 | dberkholz | i'm going to stick up a blog post about it as soon as i get some time to write it |
| 18:54.08 | lh | dberkholz: very very cool. |
| 18:54.15 | dberkholz | but i just finished my ph.d (certified this morning, actually) so i've been a little busy |
| 18:54.33 | ThomasWaldmann | .oO(aawh) |
| 18:54.38 | lh | dberkholz: Wow! Good for you! That is super. Totally merits complete sentences. |
| 18:55.05 | lh | ajuonline: So yes, Jack and I officially moved in together as of yesterday. |
| 18:55.12 | Catfish_Man | yay :) |
| 18:55.17 | ThomasWaldmann | lh: btw, some of your fellow googlers did something really nice: svgweb :) |
| 18:55.19 | Ivanovic | lh: congrats |
| 18:55.20 | lh | I certainly thought so. |
| 18:55.30 | lh | ThomasWaldmann: that was brad neuberg, i will pass along your well wishes. he' |
| 18:55.32 | MatthewWilkes | dberkholz: Congratulations, Dr. Berkholz. |
| 18:55.35 | lh | he's super cool. |
| 18:55.50 | Catfish_Man | hrm. Not seeing my own messages in this thing |
| 18:55.53 | Catfish_Man | investigates |
| 18:55.55 | thebolt | dberkholz: congrats :) |
| 18:55.56 | ThomasWaldmann | now we can use more svg in moin, without whinging ie users :D |
| 18:55.59 | lh | Ivanovic: thanks. he's quite nifty. we'll see how it goes. however, he did inspire me to quit smoking. |
| 18:56.01 | ThomasWaldmann | -g |
| 18:56.10 | thebolt | lh: congratulations :) |
| 18:56.12 | lh | not that i would ever admit to smoking since that sets a bad example for the kiddies. |
| 18:56.14 | lh | thebolt: thanks! |
| 18:56.16 | Ivanovic | hey, that is really good |
| 18:56.40 | lh | Ivanovic: i thought so too. |
| 18:56.44 | dberkholz | it must be a good thing when there's so much to celebrate that it's confusing who's getting congratulated |
| 18:56.44 | Ivanovic | but dropping smoking doubled the amount coffee you are drinking, right? |
| 18:56.46 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 18:56.55 | thebolt | ahm, maybe i should prepare for some social skill.. the social skill of showering before meeting people.. and prepare by cleaning out all the dive gear that is currently preventing me from even entering the shower room |
| 18:57.01 | thebolt | dberkholz: :) |
| 18:57.01 | lh | Ivanovic: no smoking, coffee intake declined, no smoking. |
| 18:57.05 | Ivanovic | dberkholz: so you should change your nick |
| 18:57.15 | lh | that being said, i now have 1/2 a bottle of wine a night. i am not sure how i feel about that. |
| 18:57.22 | Ivanovic | dberkholz: add an 'r' after the leading 'd' |
| 18:57.23 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 18:57.26 | Lennie | are you sure it's not mead? |
| 18:57.34 | lh | Lennie: depends. |
| 18:57.39 | dberkholz | lh: reasonable amounts of alcohol consumption have been shown to increase your creativity and help you live longer =) |
| 18:57.47 | Ivanovic | lh: from what i heard two glasses of wine a day are even healthy |
| 18:58.05 | dberkholz | Ivanovic: heh, clever |
| 18:58.06 | dho | depends who you ask. certainly doesn't help keep brain cells alive. |
| 18:58.15 | dho | doesn't stop me from doing it either :) |
| 18:58.17 | lh | dberkholz: coming from a family where mum was raised southern baptist for about three months and still remembers it to this day, reasonable amounts of alcohol consumption = zero. |
| 18:58.31 | lh | dberkholz: i also think you ought to go with drberkholz |
| 18:58.40 | Ivanovic | lh: last weekend was a little draining on my side |
| 18:58.47 | Ivanovic | mixing some cocktails |
| 18:58.48 | drberkholz | gives in to the peer pressure |
| 18:58.55 | MatthewWilkes | yay |
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| 18:59.00 | lh | Ivanovic: how come? |
| 18:59.03 | Ivanovic | and a half liter zombie is *strong*... |
| 18:59.05 | lh | drberkholz: WOOT! |
| 18:59.31 | lh | Ivanovic: please to make me a bloody mary, extra tomato juice, two cocktail onions, three olives. |
| 18:59.34 | Ivanovic | (especially after some cocktails before) |
| 18:59.41 | lh | Ivanovic: honestly you can leave out the vodka afaic. |
| 19:00.05 | Ivanovic | though the zombie was *really* tasty |
| 19:00.24 | ThomasWaldmann | looks like the coding phase is over, now. :) |
| 19:00.35 | Lennie | hurray :P |
| 19:00.48 | Ivanovic | lots of rum (3 different kinds), some peach liquor, some cherry liquor, blood orange juice, grenadine, lemmon juice and some ice |
| 19:00.49 | ThomasWaldmann | at least the SOC coding phase :) |
| 19:00.49 | brlcad | so I still get "Survey (new): Mentor's Final Evaluation", which leads me to a blank page -- am I safe in assuming that this is just a bug / side-effect from having a failed student? i have filled out "Survey : Program Evaluation" |
| 19:00.50 | thebolt | hm, wonder.. is there any better place to store 2200 liters of pure oxygen than under the bed?.. prolly not, will have to do for now |
| 19:01.09 | Ivanovic | brlcad: are you mentor with assigned student? |
| 19:01.09 | lh | wait wait what is this zombie business |
| 19:01.14 | Lennie | brlcad not really side effect, just because you are a mentor :) |
| 19:01.23 | Lennie | brlcad if you don't see a project you are fine :) |
| 19:01.27 | brlcad | I'm a mentor with no (active) student |
| 19:01.29 | lh | brlcad: i think that's a yucky, yucky bug. |
| 19:01.32 | Ivanovic | lh: a lovely cocktail, more than two of those and you are basically dead |
| 19:01.34 | lh | Lennie: is there one on file? |
| 19:01.37 | lh | Ivanovic: i see. |
| 19:01.42 | brlcad | lh: okay, thx :) |
| 19:01.43 | Lennie | nope there isn't |
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| 19:01.53 | Lennie | at least it draws people's attention :p |
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| 19:01.56 | lh | makes note: in preparation for zombie apocalypse, do not have zombie cocktail |
| 19:02.06 | lh | Lennie: perhaps you could nudge brlcad or another mentor to file bug for you. :) |
| 19:02.07 | Ivanovic | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_cocktail |
| 19:02.12 | lh | oh lord. |
| 19:02.39 | lh | and btw, if you did not turn in your eval by two minutes ago you are a big old stinker. |
| 19:02.53 | ThomasWaldmann | hehe |
| 19:02.58 | Ivanovic | :) |
| 19:03.17 | foka | I know I am terrible, but I am wondering if it is possible to extend the Mentoring Evaluation for a few more minutes? I have been making some final revisions to the final question in the evaluation, and pressed Submit a few seconds too late. (Sorry!) |
| 19:03.39 | lh | foka: see above for the note that you are a big old stinker. |
| 19:03.50 | lh | hang on, need to go collect statistics on the wall of shame |
| 19:03.55 | ThomasWaldmann | didn't submit the program eval (again - i already did at midterm. but strange that it did not show the data to me that I entered back then.) |
| 19:04.07 | drberkholz | i got to make some really pleasant revisions, as i learned that more of the students are becoming gentoo developers |
| 19:04.18 | Lennie | ThomasWaldmann, were two different surveys one for mentor one for org admins |
| 19:04.20 | foka | lh: But if it is too much trouble, that's OK; the bulk of the evaluation has been submitted. |
| 19:04.21 | spectie | ThomasWaldmann, |
| 19:04.24 | Lennie | if you happen to be both you would have seen two |
| 19:04.26 | spectie | i was concerned about the same thing |
| 19:04.30 | Lennie | won't happen again :) |
| 19:04.31 | foka | lh: Let me scroll back and see. :-) |
| 19:05.08 | ThomasWaldmann | Lennie: ah, that explains it. but contents were same (or just similar)? |
| 19:05.38 | Lennie | same |
| 19:05.43 | lh | foka: all good, will take a look |
| 19:05.43 | Lennie | exactly the same :D |
| 19:06.05 | ajuonline | Lennie: i can come to mentor summit? :D |
| 19:06.12 | Lennie | don't ask me :P |
| 19:06.14 | ThomasWaldmann | relie[fv]ed |
| 19:06.17 | Lennie | I don't run this gig :D |
| 19:06.18 | drberkholz | so far it's looking like >50% conversion rate to committers. now we've just gotta get 'em to stick around =) |
| 19:06.25 | ajuonline | oh yeah |
| 19:06.27 | Lennie | I just try to keep the webapp alive :P |
| 19:06.31 | ajuonline | Lennie: blame it on auto tab :P |
| 19:06.38 | ajuonline | lh: i can come to mentor summit :D |
| 19:06.39 | ajuonline | ? |
| 19:06.44 | foka | lh, Sorry, I couldn't find the note which says that I'm a big old stinker. :-) |
| 19:07.02 | ajuonline | foka: let me helkp you |
| 19:07.06 | ajuonline | 14:02 <@lh> oh lord. |
| 19:07.07 | ajuonline | 14:02 <@lh> and btw, if you did not turn in your eval by two minutes ago you are a big old stinker. |
| 19:07.17 | foka | ajuonline, I see. :-) |
| 19:07.25 | lh | foka: lol. hang on folks. |
| 19:07.30 | ajuonline | that was of course a generic comment :D |
| 19:07.36 | robbyoconnor | lh!!!!!! |
| 19:07.41 | lh | ajuonline: are you a mentor? no? then no summit for you. we will see about a pony. |
| 19:07.41 | foka | ajuonline, Thanks! :-) |
| 19:07.47 | lh | robbyoconnor: hello. how are you feeling today? |
| 19:07.57 | ajuonline | lh: wht is a pony? |
| 19:08.05 | robbyoconnor | meh |
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| 19:08.08 | robbyoconnor | otherwise good |
| 19:08.11 | robbyoconnor | I passed :D |
| 19:08.12 | ajuonline | o noes its robbyoconnor |
| 19:08.18 | robbyoconnor | (of course i knew this) |
| 19:08.19 | ajuonline | calls 911 |
| 19:08.20 | drberkholz | the kind of pony you store in the closet for the appropriate occasion? |
| 19:08.28 | robbyoconnor | is the artist formally known as r0bby |
| 19:08.35 | robbyoconnor | (but still partially known as) |
| 19:08.54 | foka | lh, Yes, I turned in a first draft 24 hours ago, and had been making revisions since then, writing more comments, etc. "Overall Evaluation of the student's work" is in still in brainstorming draft form (except the summary), but I hope you don't mind. :-D |
| 19:09.33 | MatthewWilkes | Hmm, 1 missing evaluation, from our MIA student that we failed |
| 19:09.55 | Ivanovic | MatthewWilkes: same here |
| 19:09.59 | MatthewWilkes | How students go MIA when there's money available I do not know. |
| 19:10.18 | drberkholz | we had one student who got a job shortly after the summer started |
| 19:10.19 | foka | lh, Nevertheless, I agree with the "big old stinker" remark (even it is generic). |
| 19:10.20 | lcuk | money is not the be-all and end all |
| 19:10.32 | foka | lh, Wish I had done better as a mentor. |
| 19:10.48 | ajuonline | foka: i am sure, you did well as a mentor! |
| 19:10.57 | drberkholz | otoh, we had another student who passed despite being in full-time school till a few weeks ago and pulling a second part-time job |
| 19:11.40 | lh | foka: if it makes you feel better, everyone seems to feel that way regardless of how well they did. |
| 19:11.53 | ajuonline | even students! |
| 19:11.58 | dho | Given the shit job I did in 2007, I feel great about my job this year <_< |
| 19:12.19 | foka | ajuonline, No, I had to fail the student because he ran out of time, and I carry much responsibility due to my MIA for weeks. |
| 19:12.27 | foka | lh, ajuonline: Thank you for your encouragements! |
| 19:12.43 | drberkholz | lh: do you know when the deadline is for signing up co-mentors for t-shirts? |
| 19:12.45 | gurkee | what's MIA? :-) |
| 19:12.52 | foka | gurkee, Missing in action. :-D |
| 19:12.53 | ajuonline | missing in absence? |
| 19:12.54 | drberkholz | or if it already passed.. |
| 19:12.56 | ajuonline | oh :P |
| 19:13.14 | foka | ajuonline, Missing in absence would work too, I guess. :-) |
| 19:13.40 | foka | ajuonline, Debian uses the term "MIA" a lot because a certain percentage of Debian developers went MIA over the years, haha |
| 19:13.42 | ajuonline | missing and absence :P together? i dont think so :D |
| 19:13.46 | MatthewWilkes | foka: That's what org-admins and student initiative is for, very few things are not recoverable |
| 19:13.54 | drberkholz | oh, nm |
| 19:13.59 | drberkholz | found an email from ellen that said aug 17 |
| 19:15.23 | lh | ok folks, we shalt be opening evals back up for those who are stinkers in a few minutes. but first some administrivia on this end. :) |
| 19:15.43 | thebolt | lh: aka, noting down who the stinkers are? ;) |
| 19:15.49 | lh | thebolt: CORRECT |
| 19:15.54 | lh | oops sorry |
| 19:15.55 | lh | correct |
| 19:16.09 | ajuonline | hands over a gun to lh_hunting |
| 19:16.11 | foka | lh, (Afraid to ask who the stinkers are), but how many are there? :-D (or what percentage) |
| 19:16.42 | MatthewWilkes | I do love checking things as of a point in time in Zope. You mount the database in "timetravel mode" and it ignores later transactions. Attempting a db write in that state causes "TemporalParadox" errors |
| 19:17.04 | Ivanovic | is handing lh_hunting some extra ammunition |
| 19:17.18 | Ivanovic | (guns without (enough) ammo are boring...) |
| 19:17.18 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 19:17.30 | gurkee | is there a way to find out if the mentor really submitted the final evaluation? :) |
| 19:17.44 | Ivanovic | gurkee: yeah, have the admin check it |
| 19:17.51 | gurkee | okay :-) |
| 19:18.36 | MatthewWilkes | Ivanovic: Guns? *baulks* |
| 19:18.50 | Ivanovic | MatthewWilkes: ajuonline is responsible for the guns |
| 19:18.56 | Ivanovic | i only gave her some ammo |
| 19:18.57 | brlcad | feels really bad! arf. |
| 19:18.58 | ajuonline | i gave a toy un |
| 19:19.01 | ajuonline | gun* :P |
| 19:19.28 | Ivanovic | ajuonline: then it will be really interesting seening lh try to fit the ammo into the gun |
| 19:19.29 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 19:20.22 | ajuonline | Ivanovic: we call her trinity, she can do anything :P |
| 19:20.53 | Ivanovic | call me "ammo guy": there is no ammo! |
| 19:20.55 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 19:21.06 | robbyoconnor | :D |
| 19:21.17 | robbyoconnor | Yet another sucessful soc under my belt |
| 19:21.27 | robbyoconnor | and an actual success :D ' |
| 19:21.33 | robbyoconnor | Now i can put 2008 and 2009 |
| 19:21.34 | robbyoconnor | :D |
| 19:21.45 | ajuonline | robbyoconnor: good going :) |
| 19:21.53 | ajuonline | and you didnt even spam the lists this year! |
| 19:22.05 | robbyoconnor | I did daily digets |
| 19:22.12 | ajuonline | we all do daily digests |
| 19:22.17 | robbyoconnor | and your anounce |
| 19:22.19 | robbyoconnor | I didnt |
| 19:22.26 | ajuonline | 4 hours is the normal period for food to diegest |
| 19:22.32 | ajuonline | thats pretty normal and human |
| 19:22.40 | robbyoconnor | I only got yelled at by lh once or twice! |
| 19:22.47 | robbyoconnor | oh god |
| 19:22.53 | robbyoconnor | lh is r0bby-hutning |
| 19:22.57 | robbyoconnor | hides behind ajuonline |
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| 19:23.04 | robbyoconnor | hunting* |
| 19:23.08 | robbyoconnor | sips his latte |
| 19:23.31 | mephx | hello, i am a student for this year's soc, i couldnt file in my survey due to internet access problems, is there anything that can be done? |
| 19:23.58 | ajuonline | mephx: yes, wait for sometime.. they are making a list |
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| 19:24.55 | mephx | ajuonline: thanks |
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| 19:25.21 | robbyoconnor | sighs |
| 19:25.27 | robbyoconnor | I hate spending money |
| 19:25.41 | Ivanovic | robbyoconnor: feel free to wire it into my account |
| 19:25.48 | Ivanovic | no need for you to spend it |
| 19:25.49 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 19:26.31 | gaurav_hiiii | !next |
| 19:26.31 | socinfo | "next" is Final evaluations due by August 24th, final results announced August 25th, 19:00 UTC |
| 19:26.54 | ajuonline | Ivanovic: i know robbyoconnor quite earlier than u do, so I have the right to his weill :P |
| 19:26.57 | ajuonline | will* |
| 19:27.24 | Ivanovic | ajuonline: but i don't want to put this heavy burden of spending money on you |
| 19:27.34 | Ivanovic | i will be able to somehow endure it |
| 19:27.40 | ajuonline | :P |
| 19:27.43 | ajuonline | how nice of you! |
| 19:28.05 | Ivanovic | yes, i am really nice sometimes |
| 19:33.26 | robbyoconnor | Ivanovic, no thanks |
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| 19:42.29 | Lennie | foka |
| 19:42.32 | Lennie | you were the stinker right? |
| 19:42.37 | Lennie | feel free to edit your answer again :) |
| 19:42.46 | foka | Lennie, Thank you! :-) |
| 19:43.17 | foka | Lennie, Am I the only stinker? <grin, duck, run>... |
| 19:43.42 | Ivanovic | foka: most likely not |
| 19:44.08 | Lennie | anyone here who is wondering if he passed or failed? |
| 19:45.01 | Ivanovic | wonders if admins can pass |
| 19:45.03 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 19:45.05 | brlcad | is thrilled that all 3+4 students did fantastic on the second half |
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| 19:45.54 | Lennie | anyhow |
| 19:46.17 | Lennie | Mails are under way wether you have failed, passed or that we are missing your mentor's evaluation |
| 19:46.44 | kuarezma | !logs |
| 19:46.45 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 19:46.55 | Lennie | If you receive the "hell we don't know what to do mail" please make sure your mentor will submit his evaluation before the 26th 5.00 AM UTC ^^ |
| 19:47.21 | Michelangelo | !timeline |
| 19:47.22 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline, or (#2) if you prefer a pretty visual timeline see http://is.gd/141Tu |
| 19:48.23 | Lennie | if you feel you should have passed but you've failed |
| 19:48.41 | Lennie | ask your org admin for clarification wether or not this is true |
| 19:48.47 | Lennie | and perhaps talk to your mentor :) |
| 19:48.56 | Lennie | If you've passed |
| 19:48.58 | Lennie | gratz :P |
| 19:49.25 | ajuonline | god i need sleep |
| 19:49.30 | ajuonline | i read that as |
| 19:49.36 | Michelangelo | How long before mails ship out?:) |
| 19:49.37 | ajuonline | and perhaps stalk your mentor |
| 19:49.56 | Michelangelo | I'm quite eager to have the verdict |
| 19:50.07 | Michelangelo | As many of us do:) |
| 19:50.32 | foka | Lennie|Gone, Sorry, it just disappeared? I was able to open the page, but unable to submit it. |
| 19:53.39 | bcarlyon | Anyone know anything about code samples? |
| 19:53.55 | bcarlyon | I've only seen brief stuff on the mainling list about it, nothing concrete? |
| 19:54.00 | *** topic/#gsoc by lh_meeting -> Don't forget to fill in your Final Evaluation! - Deadline Extended to 05:00 UTC 26 August 2009, details on mentors list - Do Not Make LH hunt you down to get your evaluation, as she can feed your shirt to the wolverines - Find the Mentor <-> Student maps for each org here http://tinyurl.com/org-list - This channel is logged (!logs) |
| 19:54.09 | lh_meeting | bcarlyon: nothing to see yet, chill out for now |
| 19:54.16 | bcarlyon | :-) |
| 19:54.29 | lh_meeting | Michelangelo: takes a couple of hours to complete, if you want to send note to mailing lists abou tthat please do |
| 19:54.32 | bcarlyon | Just saw your update message and it didnt mention code samples :-) |
| 19:54.34 | lh_meeting | wanders off for meeting |
| 19:54.36 | bcarlyon | goes back to sleep |
| 19:55.19 | Michelangelo | lh_meeting: thanks ma'am |
| 19:55.20 | Michelangelo | :D |
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| 20:17.21 | ei-grad | !next |
| 20:17.22 | socinfo | "next" is Final evaluations due by August 24th, final results announced August 25th, 19:00 UTC |
| 20:18.48 | foka | lh_meeting, Lennie|Gone: Sorry to disturb you, but the new link for me "big stinker" only worked for a minute, and when I tried to submit, it says I am not allowed to submit for that student? |
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| 20:20.17 | lh_meeting | foka: email the mailing list mentioned on the mentors list and they can sort it out for you. :) |
| 20:20.56 | foka | lh_meeting, Thanks! |
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| 20:37.35 | Lennie | foka, hmm? |
| 20:37.48 | Lennie | foka, did you submit it earlier? |
| 20:37.49 | dho | lh_meeting: we just received a message for one of our mentors who was unable to complete the final evaluation due to some spotty internet accessibility while he was overseas -- but we completed the eval for him as org admins prior to the deadline. |
| 20:38.11 | Lennie | dho, if you completed his eval succesfully there should be no problem :) |
| 20:39.04 | dho | Ok, so I should just let him know to disregard that mail then? |
| 20:39.32 | Lennie | did he get a reminder? |
| 20:39.36 | dho | yes. |
| 20:39.36 | foka | Lennie, Actually, I had already submitted (an incomplete) report at UTC 18:58 or so; After you telling me it is OK to edit that report, I was able to open it, but then it failed when I tried to submit it. |
| 20:39.40 | Lennie | if so, then you did not fill it in succesfully |
| 20:39.52 | Lennie | it failed how? |
| 20:39.56 | dho | anothy_x: poke |
| 20:40.06 | foka | Lennie, the link "Survey : Mentor's Final Evaluation" is still there, but now instead of showing the student's name, it says "(None)" |
| 20:40.51 | dho | Lennie: nope, it shows our other admin as having filled it in successfully on the app. |
| 20:41.09 | Lennie | foka, give me the link please |
| 20:41.13 | foka | By the way, a question for you all: What are the passing criteria? 'useful outputs for the project', or 'student did hardcore good works'? |
| 20:41.16 | Lennie | dho, could you give me a link to that page as well :) |
| 20:41.36 | foka | Lennie, Sorry, just a moment. :-) |
| 20:42.11 | foka | Lennie, http://socghop.appspot.com/grading_project_survey/take/program/google/gsoc2009/project_final |
| 20:42.22 | foka | Lennie, Username: anthony.t.fok |
| 20:42.41 | foka | Lennie, Link ID: foka |
| 20:42.45 | foka | Lennie, Thanks! |
| 20:42.48 | Lennie | hmm |
| 20:42.53 | Lennie | I need more link P: |
| 20:42.57 | Lennie | ?project= ... |
| 20:43.25 | foka | Lennie, Now it is inaccessible, but let me copy down what I have in the web browser (of the page I was using before) |
| 20:43.40 | Lennie | that page is inaccessible? |
| 20:43.55 | anothy_x | oop, sorry, wasn't watching the window. |
| 20:44.09 | dho | see also recent backlog |
| 20:44.10 | foka | Lennie, This is the link before 19:00 UTC: project=google/gsoc2009/debian/t124022198199 |
| 20:44.31 | foka | Lennie, Or the full link: 19:00 UTC: http://socghop.appspot.com/grading_project_survey/take/program/google/gsoc2009/project_final?project=google/gsoc2009/debian/t124022198199 |
| 20:44.42 | Lennie | oh yeah |
| 20:44.43 | Lennie | hmm |
| 20:44.53 | Lennie | what do you want to do with that survey? |
| 20:45.18 | Lennie | foka |
| 20:45.20 | Lennie | that is |
| 20:45.24 | dho | Lennie: I sent you links in PM, if those went unnoticed, btw. (Not to try to detract from your current discussion) |
| 20:45.31 | Lennie | yes I have them |
| 20:45.39 | Lennie | but I'm also talking on TeamSpeak to a clan buddy :P |
| 20:45.40 | Lennie | so |
| 20:45.44 | foka | Lennie, Made some revision in the "Overall Evaluation of the student's work" because now that textbox is messy. |
| 20:45.47 | Lennie | apparently I'm dual-cored :D |
| 20:46.03 | Lennie | that's it? |
| 20:46.21 | Lennie | you can't edit it because we've failed the project already ;p |
| 20:47.41 | foka | Lennie, There is also a debate on #debian-soc-mentors whether we should pass or fail the student, because a veteran (who did something similar to our student) said: |
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| 20:48.07 | Lennie | foka, send me the new answer |
| 20:48.08 | foka | Lennie, the project is a "gargantuan task", Worth about 35,000 euro if someone is paying for it, So anyone who gets a reasonable portion of it done over GSOC is doing pretty well in my book. |
| 20:48.09 | Lennie | via pm |
| 20:48.11 | Lennie | I'll put it in |
| 20:48.26 | Lennie | if you want his outcome to be changed please mail the program administrators |
| 20:48.34 | Lennie | they'll come back to me, but at least they are in the loop :) |
| 20:48.57 | foka | Lennie, I mean the project veteran who was responsible for other Debian architecture ports said the above comments. |
| 20:49.21 | foka | Lennie, And hence the question: What are the passing criteria? 'useful outputs for Debian', or 'student did hardcore good works'? |
| 20:50.13 | Lennie | difficult question ^^ |
| 20:50.28 | Lennie | did he keeps his appointments? |
| 20:50.32 | Lennie | good communication |
| 20:50.53 | foka | Lennie, Is it too late to change a fail to a pass? (I'm still debating it.), and I am wondering if Google has a criteria on it, esp. after all it is Google that is paying him. :-) |
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| 20:51.03 | foka | Lennie, Yes, he has rather good communication. |
| 20:52.09 | foka | Lennie, Mea culpa, I was missing in action / unresponsive for several weeks, which may have affected the outcome (as in he ran out of time). |
| 20:52.35 | foka | Lennie, And I think he is about two weeks away from producing an initial useful outputs for Debian. |
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| 20:53.42 | robbyoconnor | foka, did he try? |
| 20:53.50 | robbyoconnor | do you think he'll stick around? |
| 20:53.50 | Lennie | Ask your fellow mentors here :) |
| 20:53.51 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 20:53.52 | Lennie | ask google ;P |
| 20:54.03 | robbyoconnor | (Those two would be instances where I would pass) |
| 20:54.03 | foka | Lennie, I'm really sorry about this flipflop, especially at the last minute after the deadline. |
| 20:54.04 | Lennie | I have nothing useful to say :D |
| 20:54.13 | robbyoconnor | my prioject was never finished but i stuck around |
| 20:54.28 | foka | robbyoconnor, Yes, he has been working his **** off with little sleep trying to get it done before the deadline. |
| 20:54.49 | robbyoconnor | foka, pass him |
| 20:54.51 | foka | Lennie, Hehe, thanks! :-) |
| 20:54.57 | ajuonline | foka: thats good reason to pass! |
| 20:55.00 | robbyoconnor | email lh off list :) |
| 20:55.02 | ajuonline | working his *** off |
| 20:55.27 | smtms | ajuonline, it's ****, not *** |
| 20:55.36 | ajuonline | oright :D |
| 20:55.42 | foka | smtms, I meant "***" actually, |
| 20:55.46 | Lennie | pm me the new answer to the last question |
| 20:55.48 | Lennie | if you want it changed |
| 20:55.49 | foka | smtms, But I guess it depends on US or UK spelling, haha |
| 20:55.49 | foka | :-D |
| 20:56.03 | robbyoconnor | you UK people |
| 20:56.06 | robbyoconnor | shakes his head |
| 20:56.08 | foka | Lennie, Thank you very much! |
| 20:56.19 | MatthewWilkes | backs up foka |
| 20:56.25 | ajuonline | robbyoconnor: dude, thats where the language english comes from. |
| 20:56.40 | foka | robbyoconnor, I was actually thinking about "***", but didn't want to be so obvious, so used "****" randomly. :-D |
| 20:56.41 | robbyoconnor | ajuonline, i dont care |
| 20:56.44 | robbyoconnor | we own the world :D |
| 20:56.56 | ajuonline | robbyoconnor: i dont wanna swer here come over ##gsoc |
| 20:57.00 | ajuonline | and i can tell you :P |
| 20:57.05 | foka | robbyoconnor, (I lived in Canada before where we used "***". <grin, duck, run> |
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| 20:57.15 | foka | Lennie: Sorry about the OT discussion. ;-) |
| 20:57.30 | foka | Lennie, Let me read the mailing list and figure out how to mail the PM people. |
| 20:57.43 | smtms | robbyoconnor, you don't realise the world doesn't start at the east coast and doesn't end the the west cost |
| 20:57.52 | robbyoconnor | pfft |
| 20:57.55 | robbyoconnor | you didn't hear? |
| 20:57.59 | robbyoconnor | I'm god |
| 20:58.06 | MatthewWilkes | smtms: But if you go the other way around you're mostly there :) |
| 20:58.07 | scorche | >_> |
| 20:58.21 | robbyoconnor | the world revolves around me |
| 20:58.28 | Lennie | do you want to change the answer? |
| 20:58.38 | robbyoconnor | which one? :) |
| 20:59.21 | smtms | robbyoconnor, only god knows which one |
| 21:00.26 | robbyoconnor | pfft |
| 21:00.45 | ajuonline | whos the one? |
| 21:00.47 | ajuonline | wheres neo? |
| 21:05.07 | Lennie | I was talking to foka :p |
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| 21:07.14 | robbyoconnor | Lennie, no you were talking to me! |
| 21:07.17 | robbyoconnor | :D |
| 21:08.02 | Lennie | :P |
| 21:08.14 | robbyoconnor | im out |
| 21:08.20 | ajuonline | pushes robbyoconnor |
| 21:08.22 | ajuonline | go |
| 21:08.22 | smtms | I'm happy |
| 21:08.34 | ajuonline | smtms: i like u when u not talk |
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| 21:08.51 | smtms | hugs ajuonline |
| 21:09.02 | smtms | ajuonline, without words you like it more? :-P |
| 21:09.16 | ajuonline | err creepy |
| 21:09.17 | ajuonline | :P |
| 21:09.22 | ajuonline | i should go sleep! |
| 21:09.26 | ajuonline | have fun! |
| 21:09.33 | pygi | :( |
| 21:09.43 | ajuonline | hugs pygi |
| 21:09.44 | ajuonline | its ok! |
| 21:10.03 | ajuonline | pygi: we all know u rock anyways, screw ups happen |
| 21:10.05 | pygi | had 95% of the code written ergh |
| 21:10.11 | Lennie | bye robbyoconnor :) |
| 21:10.23 | Lennie | ah |
| 21:10.27 | Lennie | 200 more mails to send :) |
| 21:10.38 | ajuonline | oh u spammer :P |
| 21:11.01 | Lennie | Recipients Emailed 36% 4348 |
| 21:11.02 | Lennie | :) |
| 21:11.18 | Lennie | spam spam spam :P |
| 21:13.46 | lh_meeting | dho: ok that's cool. or did you get question answered |
| 21:13.59 | dho | lh_meeting: we did, pebkac :) |
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| 21:14.30 | lh_meeting | dho: fantabulous, just checkin. |
| 21:14.30 | Lennie | yeah I helped him :P |
| 21:14.35 | Lennie | turned out there was no problem :D |
| 21:14.38 | lh_meeting | Lennie: why are you still awake!?!?!?!? |
| 21:14.44 | lh_meeting | you said you were going to sleep like hours ago. |
| 21:14.46 | lh_meeting | lies, lies, lies. |
| 21:14.50 | Lennie | because apparently I have to care about something that is called GSoC? |
| 21:14.52 | lh_meeting | notes she is also no longer ina meeting |
| 21:14.59 | scorche | pounces on lh_meeting |
| 21:15.00 | Lennie | Do you know GSoC :P? |
| 21:15.00 | lh_meeting | s/ina/in a |
| 21:15.01 | lh_meeting | more lies |
| 21:15.08 | Lennie | I never said I was going to bed |
| 21:15.08 | lh | scorche: greets! |
| 21:15.10 | Lennie | I said I was sleepy :p |
| 21:15.17 | scorche | lh: long time no talk! |
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| 21:16.53 | Lennie | jee |
| 21:16.56 | Lennie | all mails are out :P |
| 21:17.35 | Lennie | 5031 recipients ^_^ |
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| 21:17.47 | Lennie | not that bad |
| 21:17.58 | Dark_Shikari | lh: any idea why I got a mail about a student I failed at midterms? |
| 21:18.24 | homunq | congratulates all involved, we had a great summer at Sugar Labs. |
| 21:18.26 | dho | Dark_Shikari: I was just about to ask the same :) |
| 21:18.27 | Lennie | Dark_Shikari, weird ^^ |
| 21:18.39 | Michelangelo | is sad... |
| 21:18.48 | Lennie | which mail would that be? |
| 21:18.51 | dho | Lennie: I see it too for my student who failed midterm |
| 21:19.01 | kblin | wow, a lh |
| 21:19.05 | dho | Lennie: the `Final Evaluations results processed for xyz' email |
| 21:19.08 | Lennie | is that a reminder or processed? |
| 21:19.09 | kblin | waves |
| 21:19.09 | Lennie | oh |
| 21:19.11 | Lennie | interesting |
| 21:19.33 | Lennie | ah well |
| 21:19.36 | Lennie | no harm done I guess? :) |
| 21:19.47 | Lennie | can one of you leave a bug report :D |
| 21:19.52 | lh | kblin: i am not that rare |
| 21:19.57 | Lennie | I really want to head to bed for real now :P |
| 21:20.12 | lh | Dark_Shikari: not sure. please to ask the lennard. that being said, if the lennard, aka lennie does not know, please to file a bug |
| 21:20.13 | lh | !issue |
| 21:20.14 | socinfo | Error: "issue" is not a valid command. |
| 21:20.16 | lh | !bugs |
| 21:20.16 | socinfo | "bugs" is Melange bugs are tracked at http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list |
| 21:20.19 | lh | woot |
| 21:20.20 | dberkholz | lh: you're well done, of course. |
| 21:20.21 | lh | ^^ |
| 21:20.36 | bcarlyon | puts the green tea kettle on |
| 21:21.04 | kblin | lh: what dberkholz said, but you haven't been to IRC that often recently |
| 21:21.08 | lh | dberkholz: true that. i only recently learned to eat steak cooked medium. medium rare still makes me ill. |
| 21:21.09 | homunq | lh: we ended up too late to be on the media interview list, right? |
| 21:21.15 | dho | Dark_Shikari: are you filing? |
| 21:21.17 | Lennie | lh: you might be in luck :) |
| 21:21.18 | lh | kblin: yes so the quick summary on why that is is.... |
| 21:21.25 | Dark_Shikari | dho: filing? |
| 21:21.31 | dho | 17:20 <@lh> Dark_Shikari: not sure. please to ask the lennard. that being said, if the lennard, aka lennie does not know, please to file a bug |
| 21:21.34 | Dark_Shikari | a bug report you mean? |
| 21:21.43 | lh | homunq: nope, i got a resposne from walter with a few people want me to forward to you for your info |
| 21:21.45 | dho | yessir. |
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| 21:21.50 | kblin | lh: you got a real life? |
| 21:21.58 | tierra | Lennie: the emails you just barely sent out... do they account for evaluations just barely submitted in the last couple hours? |
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| 21:22.08 | lh | kblin: first there was smitten. then there was home drama. then there were conferences. then there was moving in with boyfriend. |
| 21:22.13 | Dark_Shikari | dho: meh, busy |
| 21:22.16 | lh | aka Jack |
| 21:22.19 | dho | ok, I'll file. |
| 21:22.31 | Lennie | tierra, they account the ones that were on time :) |
| 21:22.50 | kblin | lh: all very good reasons, I have to admit |
| 21:23.02 | tierra | heh, I might have missed the deadline just barely by 30 mins to an hour or something |
| 21:23.16 | lh | tierra: it was extended. go to it. |
| 21:23.29 | tierra | well, I filled it out and submitted it more than an hour ago |
| 21:23.35 | lh | kblin: and yes you can make the inevitable jokes from fight club about the name jack. like i am jack's medulla oblangata |
| 21:23.41 | homunq | lh: walter told me. But I'm not clear on "nope", my spanish overlay keeps me from processing colloquial English double negatives reliably. |
| 21:23.44 | lh | or colon. or whatever. |
| 21:23.50 | Lennie | tierra, was more then an hour ago later then 19:03 UTC? |
| 21:23.54 | homunq | too late or on time? |
| 21:23.58 | lh | homunq: you are not too late. provide more contact details if you like. |
| 21:24.08 | kblin | lh: of course my exclamation was trying to express my pleasant surprise of meeting you here, as opposed to an accusation of not wast^H^H^H^Hspending enough time on IRC |
| 21:24.29 | tierra | Lennie: I can't remember now, but my evaluation form link is no longer red |
| 21:24.38 | lh | kblin: well, i am just providing the LH real time update for those who are smart enough to *stay the hell away from twitter* |
| 21:24.43 | Lennie | if you received no mail you were too late ^_^ |
| 21:24.45 | lh | and besides, i haven't talked to you in forever. |
| 21:24.49 | Lennie | however it will be processed |
| 21:24.53 | lh | how is the girlfriend and how is the fencing? |
| 21:24.55 | Lennie | but not sure if you'll get a mail still :D |
| 21:25.03 | Michelangelo | Today I'll be drinking a beer while coding, just to suppress the sadness... brbrbr |
| 21:25.05 | lh | and since lennie is being all responsible apparently i can sit here and just gossip |
| 21:25.07 | dho | Done. |
| 21:25.08 | lh | how are all yall |
| 21:25.15 | Lennie | lh, ^^ |
| 21:25.22 | dmitrig01 | lh lol |
| 21:25.25 | Lennie | lh, can't you go and get me a gf :P? |
| 21:25.26 | kblin | lh: good, good, thanks :) |
| 21:25.28 | Lennie | wasn't that your job :P? |
| 21:25.29 | lh | Michelangelo: don't be sad. you can have champagne instead if you want. |
| 21:25.32 | lh | Lennie: I AM WORKING ON IT. |
| 21:25.38 | NicDumZ | haha |
| 21:25.39 | lh | Lennie: if you weren't so damn picky. |
| 21:25.41 | Lennie | :D |
| 21:25.54 | Lennie | playing hard to get ftw :) |
| 21:25.54 | lh | must be dutch. must be local. must be smart. |
| 21:25.56 | Michelangelo | lh: I can't afford to buy such a drink now that I've received "the" mail.;) |
| 21:26.00 | lh | that narrows it down to like 1.5 people. |
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| 21:26.09 | kblin | lh: I'm playing Porthos in The Three Musketeers in december |
| 21:26.14 | lh | Michelangelo: i suggest telling friends to purchase one for you |
| 21:26.17 | lh | kblin: dude, that's hot. |
| 21:26.22 | lh | sends Michelangelo a beer |
| 21:26.34 | homunq | lh: depends on how you score. If you get 1/3 of a point for each, that's actually a lot of thirds. |
| 21:26.45 | Michelangelo | asks lh to have a beer together |
| 21:26.48 | tierra | Lennie: will there be another round of mass mail that'll let me know it's submitted and good before the extended deadline? |
| 21:26.58 | homunq | frankenSO |
| 21:27.11 | Lennie | tierra, I don't know ^^ |
| 21:27.14 | Lennie | we might, we might not |
| 21:27.18 | Lennie | depends on what's going on |
| 21:27.21 | kblin | lh: unfortunately that means I'm not sure if I can make it to the mentor summit, with the preparation of the play and the getting a degree and all |
| 21:27.27 | kblin | but there's always something, I guess |
| 21:27.34 | Lennie | lh: we might have a lot less missing then expected |
| 21:27.40 | Lennie | if failed projects received a mail :) |
| 21:27.47 | Lennie | I'll fix it tomorrow |
| 21:27.59 | dberkholz | yeah, i got one for a midterm failure too |
| 21:28.00 | kblin | failed projects received a mail |
| 21:28.08 | Lennie | just ignore those ^^ |
| 21:28.22 | kblin | at least I did |
| 21:28.32 | dberkholz | i guess you could subtract midterm failures from your overall missing evals to get a better idea |
| 21:28.40 | Lennie | yeah :P |
| 21:29.00 | Lennie | still leaves a lot though |
| 21:29.04 | Lennie | I dare to say more then midterm |
| 21:29.11 | kblin | bbl |
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| 21:34.46 | kblin | there |
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| 21:41.19 | foka | On second thought: Is an extension for the student allowed? Or better to make a decision now to pass/fail him now? |
| 21:42.21 | lh | foka: no extensions, if they haven't made it happen yet they very very likely will not |
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| 21:42.42 | lh | kblin: that sucks. i want you to come to the summit. silly graduation, theatre, um life and stuff. |
| 21:42.56 | lh | Lennie: excellent news. i still think you should sleep dude. |
| 21:43.26 | joeyadams | Can students be considered representatives at the mentor summit? Or does "mentor summit" answer my question? ;) |
| 21:43.37 | scorche | latter... |
| 21:43.59 | scorche | the stuff talked about at the summit doesnt really have any gain to any non-mentor anyway |
| 21:44.13 | joeyadams | okay, makes sense |
| 21:44.37 | kblin | lh: well, it all depends a bit on my november exam date, and I don't have that yet |
| 21:44.47 | scorche | (though some small stuff might be applicable to open source devs in general, most of the stuff is GSoC oriented, of course) |
| 21:45.09 | scorche | kblin: that'd be a shame if you didnt make it =( |
| 21:45.11 | thebolt | will really miss not being able to go to the mentor summit this year.. |
| 21:45.16 | kblin | joeyadams: of course you can go and be a mentor next year and attend the mentor summit |
| 21:45.25 | brlcad | files a ticket for the menu suggesting I need to file a mentor report for an inactive student |
| 21:45.26 | thebolt | hm, might be a negation too much there |
| 21:45.50 | scorche | thebolt: aw, really? |
| 21:46.01 | kblin | scorche: he was trying to be a student |
| 21:46.05 | thebolt | scorche: i wasn't inolved in GSoC officially this year (only behind the scenes) |
| 21:46.12 | scorche | ah |
| 21:46.17 | thebolt | i didn't sign up as a mentor, wanting to be a student |
| 21:46.18 | kblin | scorche: I had him on a slot, and then backed out last minute |
| 21:46.19 | phomes | where can I read more about the mentor summit? Who gets to go? All mentors or only a few representatives from each org? |
| 21:46.24 | scorche | i somehow missed that, though it now sounds familiar |
| 21:46.35 | thebolt | but i opted out day before announcement as i felt i wouldn't be able to do a good job |
| 21:46.37 | scorche | phomes: latter |
| 21:46.53 | kblin | though my backup student got his job done after all, so I can't complain |
| 21:46.55 | thebolt | (semester didn't end until end of june, me moving across the world after that etc) |
| 21:47.17 | lh | homunq: feel free to send along more press reference information. |
| 21:47.19 | scorche | where did you move to, if you dont mind me asking? |
| 21:47.23 | kblin | thebolt: and of course I'll keep that project open for you? |
| 21:47.23 | foka | lh, Thanks for the note! Yes, we are having some final debate about a failed student, as we are reviewing notes and there are evidences that the scope of the project was simply too gargantuan and that the student was able to complete a reasonable portion of it. (from a veteran developer who had himself ported Debian to a new architecture before; no simple task at all.) But yes, we are still debating, gathering more information etc. etc. |
| 21:47.35 | kblin | er s/\?/\./ |
| 21:47.45 | thebolt | scorche: back to sweden |
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| 21:47.55 | scorche | ah...i still need to visit sweden... |
| 21:47.59 | lh | foka: okay, you have a day or so to do so. there will of course be more nag mails. |
| 21:47.59 | thebolt | scorche: i was studying in Taiwan this last year |
| 21:48.13 | lh | scorche: i suspect tales of bikini teams figure heavily in this idea. |
| 21:48.16 | thebolt | kblin: thanks :) |
| 21:48.23 | Landon | bikini teams?! |
| 21:48.27 | scorche | lh: not really, but now that you mention it... |
| 21:48.28 | Landon | needs to read up |
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| 21:48.36 | lh | scorche: fair enough. |
| 21:48.55 | scorche | i thought it was too cold there for bikinis anyway! ;) |
| 21:49.19 | kblin | or too warm |
| 21:49.34 | scorche | o_O |
| 21:49.41 | kblin | at least I'd feel silly wearing a bikini in the sauna |
| 21:49.49 | joeyadams | I know this is more of a beginning-of-GSoC question (I probably asked it, I forget), but can someone be both a student and a mentor at the same time? (either the same or different organization) |
| 21:49.55 | pygi | joeyadams, no |
| 21:50.01 | pygi | it happened in 2005, but no |
| 21:50.02 | scorche | kblin: and you would feel fine wearing a bikini elsewhere? |
| 21:50.11 | Landon | speaking of warm.... kblin, you should have warned me about kilts... I find myself a little addicted now |
| 21:50.19 | joeyadams | okay, makes sense |
| 21:50.24 | kblin | scorche: um no. there's that |
| 21:50.39 | foka | lh, So, that's why I thought of an "extension": Maybe a two weeks extension is sufficient to let him prove himself that he can get the job done? (It takes at least a week because of a large amount of recompiling hundreds of Debian package on relatively slow machines) |
| 21:50.53 | kblin | Landon: dunno, I hardly ever wear mine.. the lack of pockets is really annoying |
| 21:51.18 | Landon | kblin: hm, perhaps, I ended up getting a utilikilt |
| 21:51.31 | Landon | but I'm looking at some more traditional ones to survive the winter months |
| 21:51.37 | joeyadams | As a student, my humble opinion is: pass the sucker :) |
| 21:51.40 | lh | foka: the time to ask for an extension was pre evals. perhaps talk to arthurliu about all this, or maybe you already are. |
| 21:51.46 | lh | misses mrs_spearce |
| 21:51.53 | lh | it was much more fun in here with her. |
| 21:51.59 | lh | not that i don't love y'all or anything. |
| 21:52.13 | ArthurLiu | lh, I'm handling this |
| 21:52.26 | scorche | lh: maybe we should have a more official talk this year at the summit about hacker commune? =P |
| 21:52.34 | kblin | Landon: and putting on a great kilt is enough work that you really, really think about if you want to put it on |
| 21:52.47 | Landon | kblin: ah, yours is a great kilt? |
| 21:52.51 | foka | ArthurLiu, Thanks! :-) |
| 21:52.57 | Landon | those just sound like a PITA :) |
| 21:53.03 | lh | ArthurLiu: i knew it! |
| 21:53.04 | lh | "_ |
| 21:53.27 | lh | scorche: um, that is not an officially sanctioned google project. that's a me in my spare time project. |
| 21:53.33 | ArthurLiu | it's a tedious case but we'll get to a decision everyone can agree on |
| 21:53.46 | scorche | lh: but it is an unconference! |
| 21:53.47 | scorche | ducks |
| 21:54.04 | kblin | Landon: one of them, yes |
| 21:54.11 | Lennie | bug fixed |
| 21:54.14 | Lennie | will make new release tomorrow |
| 21:54.16 | Lennie | bye :) |
| 21:54.26 | lh | scorche: schedule it during the party on saturday night in the hot tub. |
| 21:54.27 | kblin | Landon: it's a bit of a pain getting all the plaids folded in every time |
| 21:54.33 | scorche | lh: that works |
| 21:54.35 | Lennie | lh: hottub +1 |
| 21:54.38 | Lennie | WP :P? |
| 21:54.38 | kblin | durn |
| 21:54.58 | kblin | can someone please invent teleporters that work? |
| 21:55.10 | kblin | work as in for me, instead of just a proton |
| 21:55.11 | Lennie | kblin: ask scotty |
| 21:55.43 | lh | Lennie: darn skippy. |
| 21:55.55 | ArthurLiu | I heard Google have some to save on inter-office travel costs |
| 21:56.28 | kblin | ArthurLiu: must be in that area guarded by the google death rays |
| 21:56.56 | tierra | hey scorche |
| 21:56.59 | kblin | ArthurLiu: we tried to pinpoint those, but LH stopped the microsoft people from wandering around too much |
| 21:57.05 | scorche | waves to tierra |
| 21:57.15 | tierra | sorry I skipped out on defcon |
| 21:57.22 | kblin | ArthurLiu: after we invested all that effort hiding all the signs on where to find the restrooms |
| 21:57.23 | scorche | shuns tierra |
| 21:57.46 | kblin | 0:) |
| 21:57.51 | tierra | I guess I'm likely going to see you in October either way now :) |
| 21:58.10 | ArthurLiu | october can't come quick enough :D |
| 21:58.14 | tierra | heh |
| 21:58.16 | scorche | here here! |
| 21:58.29 | tierra | you coming to Utah again anytime before then? |
| 21:58.44 | kblin | well, it can, I've got two exams, one coference and one vacation before that |
| 21:59.15 | scorche | tierra: nothing planned as of yet, but we shall see...school is coming up again and i have done a ton of vacationing this summer, so... |
| 21:59.40 | MatthewWilkes | mmm, Erdinger Dunkel |
| 22:00.07 | kblin | overhyped :) |
| 22:00.24 | deadbeef | hey guys |
| 22:00.35 | deadbeef | i just want to congrat with everyone |
| 22:00.53 | deadbeef | organizers mentors and students |
| 22:01.04 | deadbeef | that has been an awesome experience :) |
| 22:01.05 | deadbeef | 10x |
| 22:01.20 | kblin | great you liked it :) |
| 22:01.38 | deadbeef | totally :D |
| 22:01.52 | kblin | cheers to lh, lennie and the melange team for putting in a lot of the hard work |
| 22:02.33 | lh | dude, direct all that to lennie. i have been sitting around looking slick all day. |
| 22:02.34 | lh | srsly. |
| 22:02.37 | lh | !bugs |
| 22:02.37 | socinfo | "bugs" is Melange bugs are tracked at http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list |
| 22:03.17 | kblin | lh: you're still doing a lot of work |
| 22:04.17 | lh | kblin: really? i feel like the world's biggest effin slacker these days. may have something to do with working 40 hours a week and going home to, gasp, make my own dinner. |
| 22:04.28 | lh | that's right, i have been eating *not Google food* |
| 22:04.31 | lh | bizarre. |
| 22:05.15 | joeyadams | does Google food get bizarre after a while? |
| 22:05.48 | dberkholz | funny how acting like most of the world makes people like us feel like we're not doing anything |
| 22:05.51 | kblin | if you don't keep it in a fridge, I bet |
| 22:05.56 | lh | joeyadams: no actually it's pretty much nomtastic. i was politely informed that i ought to spend a bit less time thinking about work and a bit more time thinking about having a life. and for once i agreed. |
| 22:06.07 | lh | kblin: dude, there is now no smoking *and* food in the fridge. |
| 22:06.11 | dberkholz | just imagine living in one of those european places with 35-hour work weeks and 6 weeks of vacation |
| 22:06.27 | joeyadams | oops, s/bizarre/boring/ |
| 22:06.40 | schumaml | dberkholz: FRance? :) |
| 22:06.53 | lh | quietly erases previous reference to smoking |
| 22:06.58 | kblin | lh: sorry, microbiology education playing up :) |
| 22:08.10 | lh | kblin: it happens. |
| 22:08.20 | kblin | dberkholz: but yeah, a bit weird |
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| 22:09.09 | kblin | joeyadams: I bet. not enough to complain about. ;) |
| 22:10.22 | dberkholz | anyone want first dibs on parts from a broken ibook before i ebay 'em? |
| 22:10.53 | kblin | ppc? |
| 22:11.07 | joeyadams | got a working adapter? :) |
| 22:11.14 | dberkholz | yeah. if you're interested, drop me a query so we don't pollute the channel |
| 22:12.02 | kblin | hm, nm, I just got politely informed that by buying two ARM boxes this month I've reached this year's allowance on additional hardware |
| 22:12.11 | JeroenDeDauw | lh: Is there 'Google food'? :o Where to get it? |
| 22:12.51 | kblin | JeroenDeDauw: step one is getting into a google cantina |
| 22:13.16 | MatthewWilkes | Which involves getting past the crack google security guards |
| 22:13.43 | kblin | and the death rays |
| 22:13.54 | JeroenDeDauw | MatthewWilkes: I'll just arrange some ms fanatics to go harras them as distraction |
| 22:14.51 | kblin | haha, fat chance |
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| 22:16.07 | kblin | hmm |
| 22:16.26 | kblin | why does my SDC flight to SFO suddenly end in ATL? |
| 22:16.39 | kblin | that's not even close.. |
| 22:17.26 | deadbeef | guys in case someone is intersted: we're managing to organize a meeting in rome, italy, in september :) |
| 22:17.39 | deadbeef | there's a message on the list |
| 22:18.11 | deadbeef | i think that there will be some amount of beer involved too :D |
| 22:18.14 | kblin | anyway, sign-off and standby time |
| 22:18.19 | kblin | night folks |
| 22:18.24 | deadbeef | nite kblin |
| 22:18.26 | JeroenDeDauw | cu |
| 22:18.26 | ojwb | hope you make it past atl... |
| 22:18.44 | kblin | ojwb: I've just emaile the travel agency |
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| 22:20.57 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Sorry to bother you, but don't suppose you're free for a pm, are you? |
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| 22:22.17 | lh | MatthewWilkes: no bother dear, PM away |
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| 22:31.10 | ArthurLiu | lh, could I pm? |
| 22:31.29 | lh | ArthurLiu: surely go right ahead |
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| 22:40.27 | Ivanovic | woot?!? |
| 22:40.33 | Ivanovic | a limo from sfo is cheaper than a cab? |
| 22:40.36 | Ivanovic | what happened?!? |
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| 22:45.17 | lh | !bugs |
| 22:45.18 | socinfo | "bugs" is Melange bugs are tracked at http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list |
| 22:47.47 | foka | I know it is a silly question, but what does "pm" stand for? Project Management? Post-Mortem? Program Modification? |
| 22:47.54 | foka | *sheepish grin* |
| 22:47.59 | Ivanovic | PM = private message |
| 22:48.14 | Ivanovic | hmm, could also be private massage, not sure though |
| 22:48.17 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 22:48.20 | foka | Ivanovic, Thanks! |
| 22:48.22 | lh | PM = premature maliciousness |
| 22:48.27 | lh | erm, lies! |
| 22:48.31 | foka | Ivanovic, Oooo! :-) |
| 22:48.32 | lh | clearly needs more sleep |
| 22:48.45 | foka | lh, By the way, failed students are still required to submit code samples to Google, right? |
| 22:49.00 | lh | foka: no, no they are not. |
| 22:49.03 | dberkholz | good luck getting them to =) |
| 22:50.15 | foka | :-) |
| 22:50.38 | lh | i need to disappear into my inbox for awhile. |
| 22:50.46 | Ivanovic | cu lh |
| 22:50.55 | Ivanovic | good luck with the flood of mails |
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| 23:00.10 | joeyadams | I'm going to click "Resign as a Student" to see if a confirmation dialog comes up or an Undo link appears. Can someone un-resign me if I do that? |
| 23:00.37 | MatthewWilkes | joeyadams: Don't. |
| 23:00.50 | joeyadams | Okay. You know what it does already? |
| 23:01.13 | MatthewWilkes | joeyadams: The melange team have enough to do without re-adding people who fiddle with things. If you're interested in testing send an email to the melange dev list |
| 23:01.24 | joeyadams | oh, okay |
| 23:01.30 | MatthewWilkes | I know that a few people a day come into #melange asking why nothing works after they resigned |
| 23:01.45 | MatthewWilkes | (seriously) |
| 23:03.32 | MatthewWilkes | joeyadams: See http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=680 for an example |
| 23:03.51 | ojwb | hmm, either that's a significant proportion of people, or a handful who just never learn... |
| 23:03.59 | ArthurLiu | it's like people complaining about not being dead after sticking their wet finger in a power outlet |
| 23:04.03 | joeyadams | hehe |
| 23:05.28 | joeyadams | Well, if clicking an open link can be immediately and permanently destructive, I'd consider that a bug :) |
| 23:05.46 | joeyadams | Please don't appeal to the rm command. Versioning filesystems are on their way ;) |
| 23:05.50 | MatthewWilkes | I would agree, and suspect there is a confirmation |
| 23:06.03 | joeyadams | I don't know about that. I'm filing a bug report just in case. |
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| 23:06.08 | MatthewWilkes | If it's a link and is destructive it's a violation of the HTTP spec, imho |
| 23:06.36 | Greywhind | based on the link, it looks like it goes to an account management page |
| 23:06.37 | MatthewWilkes | GET requests should be idempotent, or similar |
| 23:07.19 | joeyadams | Let's see, clicking "Resign as a Student" for me shows http://socghop.appspot.com/student/manage/google/gsoc2009/joeyadams, so maybe there's another link after that. |
| 23:07.26 | joeyadams | Either way, I'm afraid to click it/go there :) |
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| 23:08.40 | foka | How come the "Final Evaluations results processed...." e-mail ended up in the "Spam" box in my Gmail? :-/ |
| 23:08.55 | joeyadams | lol, nice |
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| 23:20.01 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: one could argue it is idempotent - if you repeat the GET request, you're still dead |
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| 23:20.18 | ojwb | assuming there is no confirmation |
| 23:21.19 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: Depends if you include other GETs in your sequence |
| 23:21.35 | MatthewWilkes | GET should not have side effects, GETting / and /dosomething in either order should work |
| 23:22.22 | ojwb | sure |
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| 23:28.48 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: "GET and HEAD methods SHOULD NOT have the significance of taking an action other than retrieval." |
| 23:28.56 | MatthewWilkes | from rfc2616 |
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| 23:39.37 | foka | If a failed student wanted to submit his code or final report to Google, is there a way to do that? |
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| 23:43.37 | Jeff_S | foka: failing eval shouldn't prevent the student from contributing to the project... |
| 23:46.51 | foka | Jeff_S, Indeed. What I am saying is that is Google interested in accepting code/docs from failed student, and is there mechanism to do so? Or do failed student disappear from the database and students cannot submit anything to GSoC site if they wanted to? Sorry if it seems like a silly question, just wanted to inform the student what he can do from this point on. |
| 23:48.38 | Jeff_S | foka: google doesn't control the code base in question, do they? that should be up to the individual project. Once the student has been failed, I would *guess* that google doesn't really need to have the code uploaded to them, but lh is probably the best one to ask on that |
| 23:49.03 | Jeff_S | foka: but I assume you would want to accept any code possible into the project, right? :) |
| 23:49.14 | Jeff_S | (working code at any rate) |
| 23:49.25 | joeyadams | Just curious, why did he fail? |
| 23:50.06 | foka | For example, if the student kept his promised and continue to work on the project, I expect that he will have something in a nice deliverable, plus a final report which is rather informative and insightful. |
| 23:51.13 | foka | joeyadams, Actually, it was a very difficult decision, and we had differing opinions. |
| 23:51.44 | foka | joeyadams, One of the main thing is that he accomplished less than 50% of the original goals (though the original goals were a bit too ambitious) |
| 23:51.55 | Jeff_S | foka: I imagine google might be interested to get an email with the details and report, but I don't speak for them :) |
| 23:52.26 | foka | joeyadams, and failed to deliver anything Debian specific in time before yesterday (though I know he was working his *** off getting there, but time ran out...) |
| 23:52.46 | joeyadams | Are you a mentor/project admin, or a reviewer? |
| 23:52.53 | foka | joeyadams, Mentor. |
| 23:53.41 | joeyadams | In my opinion, he should get passed. If he worked hard, stayed in contact, and plans to continue contributing, he should definitely get passed. |
| 23:53.56 | codestasher | a failure might kill all his enthusiasm for project @ foka |
| 23:54.08 | foka | joeyadams, Of course, that didn't mean that the student worked in full intensity 100% of the time; there were some time periods for e.g. school during which he was off; |
| 23:54.22 | codestasher | i agree with joeyadams |
| 23:54.29 | joeyadams | I agree with joeyadams too :) |
| 23:54.30 | foka | joeyadams, codestasher: Actually, I was the one vouching for a pass... |
| 23:54.39 | joeyadams | oh, good :) |
| 23:54.44 | joeyadams | Who was vouching against it? |
| 23:55.02 | mhutch | In my experience as a mentor it can sometimes be a very tough call to make. I'd much prefer if it were more granular than pass/fail. |
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| 23:56.14 | foka | Maybe I didn't tell the whole story; but basically, I initially gave him a pass; my admin e-mailed me and said, hold on, and had some discussion, and I thought he was reasonable (better to fail with honour than to barely pass and leave with bad feelings all over) |
| 23:56.28 | foka | There were lots of back and forth discussions between co-mentors; |
| 23:56.45 | foka | and eventually our admin also discussed with lh |
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| 23:57.48 | codestasher | It's still unfair @foka |
| 23:58.07 | codestasher | u can't expect a student to work like a professional |
| 23:58.49 | mhutch | some do :) |
| 23:59.05 | foka | I know they are cautious because in the past students may promise to finish the work but then never did... |
| 23:59.27 | mhutch | yup, been there, seen that |