| 00:05.31 | ojwb | reads this on the official google blog and thinks of gsoc: |
| 00:05.47 | ojwb | "But recently my mom called to ask about something she saw online that said Google would pay her thousands of dollars to work from home with no experience required" |
| 00:07.33 | Landon | haha :P |
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| 00:20.54 | ojwb | we should all set away triggers which PM __d3f0__ |
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| 04:58.59 | araujo | hi |
| 04:59.06 | araujo | submitted ! |
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| 05:18.57 | kblin | craaap.. my asl router broke tonight |
| 05:21.16 | scorche|sh | age/sex/location router? |
| 05:22.36 | lifeeth | :) |
| 05:23.01 | kblin | I'll laugh later when I don't have a frame rate for typing |
| 05:24.21 | scorche|sh | so instead of SYN/ACK/SYNACK |
| 05:24.36 | scorche|sh | it is various combinations of 14/f/california? |
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| 05:26.45 | kblin | :) |
| 05:27.26 | kblin | adsl,but it'd be interesting to see a level 2 capture of that |
| 05:28.17 | scorche|sh | we should write a new protocol using this! |
| 05:30.30 | kblin | yeah, but first I've got to get a decent internet connection again |
| 05:30.58 | scorche|sh | there could be some potential in such a protocol |
| 05:31.34 | scorche|sh | TTL/age of packet; packet type and code; source/destination |
| 05:31.38 | scorche|sh | a;s;l |
| 05:31.40 | lifeeth | so people can set their iptables to drop packets :) |
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| 05:35.47 | kblin | ahrg |
| 05:36.27 | kblin | who writes a troubleshooting section for the manual without ever talking about the blink codes the device shows if things are obviously wrong? |
| 05:37.19 | lifeeth | kblin, try hitting the rest :) |
| 05:37.32 | lifeeth | *reset |
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| 05:40.22 | kblin | lifeeth: I did. for about ten seconds, no change. at least all 4 ethernet leds are still on and the power led is still off |
| 05:40.48 | lifeeth | kblin, restart holding the reset pressed |
| 05:40.59 | lifeeth | and keep it pressed for ~10 seconds |
| 05:42.00 | kblin | the manual said that pressing reset for 5 seconds should be sufficient |
| 05:42.39 | kblin | oh, got to love the asus wireless access point troubleshooting guide on their website |
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| 05:44.24 | kblin | "make sure the device is plugged in and all the LEDs are working" "uhm, no, does not work, how do I debug this?" "then make sure the access point software was correctly installed" "uhm, hello? I'm still stuck at step one.." "then make sure the access point software..." |
| 05:45.00 | lifeeth | :) |
| 05:48.10 | kblin | I think the device is just kaput |
| 05:49.29 | lifeeth | get a netgear the next time |
| 05:49.44 | lifeeth | and put ddwrt on it :) |
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| 05:51.27 | kblin | I had an asus wl500gp, that wasn't too bad |
| 05:52.36 | lifeeth | The first google result for the model number is interesting :) |
| 05:53.05 | lifeeth | oh!.. and this supports ddwrt as well |
| 05:53.21 | scorche|sh | loves his DD-WRT600N |
| 05:53.39 | scorche|sh | errr..linksys WRT600N |
| 05:53.43 | lifeeth | :) |
| 05:53.55 | kblin | I need three things in an AP/router. the access point, the router and an usb port with print server |
| 05:54.33 | kblin | as long as that works I couldn't care less about firmwares and whatnot |
| 05:54.54 | kblin | I've got a low-power network server to take care of that |
| 05:55.45 | kblin | what's the first google hit? mine's localized and boring |
| 05:57.01 | lifeeth | kblin, http://wl500g.info/showthread.php?t=6231 |
| 05:57.18 | lifeeth | A post with the title "Do Not Buy Wl500gp!!!!! - AsusForum.NET -- WL500g" |
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| 06:00.12 | kblin | yeah, about someone who can't seem to set up his router |
| 06:00.43 | kblin | mine's been chugging away happily for the last 1.5 years |
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| 06:04.26 | kblin | until this morning, wahen I found that my wireless wasn't in the list and the blinkenlights on the AP were all wonky |
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| 06:08.39 | kblin | hmm |
| 06:10.12 | kblin | most people on that forum have problems with some funky different firmware |
| 06:12.21 | kblin | ah, finally a tip that looks useful |
| 06:12.31 | kblin | goes to look for a multimeter |
| 06:12.43 | kblin | seems like the power supply might be shot |
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| 06:18.11 | ojwb | got anything compatible? |
| 06:18.19 | kblin | looking |
| 06:19.04 | kblin | as opposed to the OP mine still seems to supply 5V, but maybe that differs under load |
| 06:19.21 | kblin | I think I had a 5V power supply somewhere |
| 06:24.47 | kblin | yeah, but only 1.2 amps, and I'd need 2.5 |
| 06:26.52 | ojwb | seems quite a lot |
| 06:28.25 | kblin | dunno, it's got two usb ports that could draw .5 amps each, leaving 1.2 amps to run wireless and fiv ethernet ports |
| 06:28.27 | ojwb | the psu on mine is 1.5A max if I made out the tiny writing right |
| 06:28.31 | ojwb | must be old age |
| 06:28.48 | ojwb | ah, well mine has no USB, though it has a couple of phone jacks |
| 06:29.41 | kblin | I don't think mine uses all the power the psu can deliver usually |
| 06:29.58 | kblin | in any case, it seems like I need to go buy a new psu |
| 06:32.47 | kblin | which should be considerably cheaper than getting a new AP :) |
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| 10:22.38 | kblin | meh |
| 10:29.03 | kblin | stupid provider |
| 10:29.21 | kblin | goes shopping for a new psu for his dsl |
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| 11:24.50 | kblin | it's aliiiiiiiiive! |
| 11:24.53 | kblin | muahahaha! |
| 11:26.57 | lut4rp | lol |
| 11:27.22 | lifeeth | kblin, reset? |
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| 11:29.41 | kblin | lifeeth: new power supply |
| 11:29.58 | lifeeth | ah! |
| 11:30.59 | kblin | between the many "my AP broke after I flashed my firmware" posts on the support forum, there was one with similar symptoms to mine |
| 11:31.11 | kblin | and that was solved by switching the PSU |
| 11:31.35 | kblin | the poster reported a wildly fluctuating voltage |
| 11:32.01 | kblin | so I went and measured my PSU, and it provided a rock stable 5.28 V |
| 11:33.00 | kblin | then I decided to measure the output amps, and instead of 2.5 amps, I got a pulsating value between 0.53 and 0.03 amps |
| 11:33.08 | lifeeth | Ah! |
| 11:33.12 | kblin | I hate hardware |
| 11:34.27 | kblin | so, after going through a couple of electronics stores, I finally managed to find a psu that had an output of 2.5 A at 5 V with a matching connector |
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| 11:34.49 | lifeeth | hardware is fun :) |
| 11:34.56 | kblin | I finally, finally found one that matched the first two requirements |
| 11:35.07 | kblin | and seems to be close enough on the third |
| 11:35.42 | devilsadvocate | kblin: your psu needs 2.5A? |
| 11:36.14 | kblin | devilsadvocate: the AP claims it wants DC, 5 V, 2.5 A |
| 11:36.44 | devilsadvocate | kblin: 2.5A is probably its rating. that doesnt mean it'll continuosly draw/supply 2.5 A |
| 11:36.54 | devilsadvocate | it means it'll trip / burnout at 2.5A |
| 11:38.13 | thiago_home | 5 V x 2.5 A DC = 12.5 W |
| 11:38.21 | thiago_home | unlikely |
| 11:38.25 | kblin | yeah, I know |
| 11:38.31 | thiago_home | I mean, unlikely that it's drawing constant 2.5 A |
| 11:38.42 | lifeeth | Must be during tx/rx bursts |
| 11:39.01 | devilsadvocate | no, im saying kblin's 0.53 and 0.03 were probably fine |
| 11:39.31 | thiago_home | 30 mA is a bit too low, though |
| 11:39.50 | kblin | it's got two USB2 connectors, which both could draw up to 500 mA each, and then you need enough power left for wireless radio and 5 ethernet ports |
| 11:39.51 | lifeeth | 30mA is way too low |
| 11:39.53 | devilsadvocate | must be some sleep state. |
| 11:40.11 | kblin | devilsadvocate: I've plugged in the psu and measured at the connector |
| 11:40.19 | kblin | devilsadvocate: with a multimeter |
| 11:40.25 | kblin | that shouldn't have a sleep state |
| 11:40.47 | devilsadvocate | kblin: there really isnt much meaning to measuring current across a connector ... |
| 11:41.29 | devilsadvocate | kblin: you'd need something that'd represent itself as a variable (usually resistive) load to see at what point the psu conks off (voltage would drop suddenly) |
| 11:41.48 | kblin | hmm, true |
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| 11:43.12 | kblin | I don't have a potentiometer around, though |
| 11:43.22 | kblin | sighs |
| 11:44.04 | kblin | I'll go ask my gf when she's back from shopping.. what's the point in dating an engineer if they don't fix stuff? |
| 11:44.27 | devilsadvocate | kblin: if you ask me your supply is fine if its holding steady at 5.38 |
| 11:44.41 | kblin | well, that's without load |
| 11:44.56 | devilsadvocate | 5.38 is a bit too much, though, but that could be a problem with the multimeter too |
| 11:45.01 | kblin | it's kind of hard to measure while it;s plugged in |
| 11:45.08 | kblin | 5.28, in any case |
| 11:45.19 | devilsadvocate | ah, 5.28, sorry |
| 11:45.31 | devilsadvocate | still a bit too high, but meh. it should be able to handle it |
| 11:45.54 | devilsadvocate | even the most stringent commercial stuff allow +-0.25 at the psu level |
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| 11:46.21 | devilsadvocate | they'd generally have another regulator after that |
| 11:46.40 | kblin | but from my layman's perspective if my device is not working with one psu and working with another psu, then the non-working psu is broken |
| 11:47.13 | devilsadvocate | true |
| 11:47.31 | devilsadvocate | but then, it could be something as simple as the connector being a bit damaged / wonky |
| 11:47.39 | devilsadvocate | which is more common than you would imagine |
| 11:48.07 | kblin | ha, now the voltage oscilates as well |
| 11:48.26 | devilsadvocate | then its whacked :) |
| 11:48.43 | kblin | how would a connect break while the device is plugged in, not moving, in a shelve? :) |
| 11:49.09 | lifeeth | kblin, nature has its ways :) |
| 11:49.11 | devilsadvocate | it happens :P. i dont know how, i dont know why. |
| 11:49.20 | kblin | gremlins |
| 11:49.46 | devilsadvocate | its like a spontaneous bitflip in memory. we bitch and moan and the get on with our lives :P |
| 11:50.10 | kblin | in any case, this seems obvious now, voltage fluctuates and didn't get above 1.7 V in the minute I measured now |
| 11:50.47 | kblin | I'll call the store on monday and see if I can get a replacement :) |
| 11:51.06 | ojwb | or kittens |
| 11:51.37 | kblin | hm, dunno, a llama maybe.. |
| 11:51.52 | devilsadvocate | has a very expensive piece of equipment that is not working because a cat was sleeping on it and broke a small piece of it |
| 11:52.18 | devilsadvocate | when i say have i mean that the lab i work with has, but meh |
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| 15:33.18 | kblin | can I set a double to NAN in C++? |
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| 15:34.23 | ojwb | isn't NAN a category of values rather than a single value? |
| 15:34.54 | aghisla | shrugs |
| 15:37.21 | kblin | hm, then I'll just segv if the array access is out of bounds |
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| 16:00.24 | mdc | Jeff_S: You guys going to be around Corvallis after LinuxCon (21-23 Sep 2009) I was thinking of driving down, since we're giving a talk and I'll be in Portland. |
| 16:07.58 | kblin | hm, c++ is weird |
| 16:08.25 | kblin | appartently I can't use stdargs to overload a constructor |
| 16:09.13 | ojwb | i suspect stdargs is a C feature which C++ only includes for compatibility |
| 16:09.20 | kblin | at least trying to have both a vec(int dim); and a vec(int dim, ...); triggers a compile-time error |
| 16:09.36 | kblin | yeah, but I wonder how to do this the C++ way then |
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| 16:10.09 | ojwb | templates I suspect... |
| 16:10.22 | kblin | installs gnustep and squeak |
| 16:10.37 | kblin | now, let's just dump this c++ crap and get on to the next topics :) |
| 16:10.48 | kblin | objc and smalltalk are fun compared to C++ |
| 16:11.53 | llml | kblin: sure, it's the case because when you write vec(2), the complier can in no ways know choose which constructor to initialize it. |
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| 16:13.26 | kblin | hm, good point |
| 16:13.36 | kblin | I don't remember the exercise being broken like that |
| 16:13.53 | kblin | then again it's been a couple of years since I originally did them |
| 16:14.04 | llml | kblin: too many rules, that's c++ :) |
| 16:14.27 | kblin | yeah |
| 16:14.43 | kblin | I just realized there's another C++ exercise before I get to objC |
| 16:14.51 | kblin | but I'll leave that for tomorrow |
| 16:15.07 | kblin | also hugs C and hopes to be done with his examn prep soon |
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| 16:15.55 | llml | kblin: hard working! guy, it's weekend! |
| 16:16.23 | kblin | yeah, but the damn examn is in a week, and it's been four years since I had that lecture :) |
| 16:16.42 | llml | kblin: hehe, good luck:) |
| 16:16.57 | kblin | and I've got zero time to work on this stuff starting next thursday-sunday morning |
| 16:17.09 | kblin | so I need to be done wednesday |
| 16:17.21 | llml | kblin: awesome! |
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| 16:19.03 | llml | kblin: too late here, i'm falling sleep:) |
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| 17:06.28 | Ophiuchi | good whenever |
| 17:06.51 | Ophiuchi | I assume there haven't been nag mails to tardy mentors and the project admins? |
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| 18:07.46 | AndyTim_ | Apologies in advance if this wastes time: When clicking "Submit" for the mid-term program survey, is there any indication of the success of the submission? |
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| 18:08.19 | AndyTim_ | I am returned to the survey, with all of the data still intact, but am uncertain if the submission has been successful. |
| 18:09.01 | araujo | AndyTim_, check for the option in the main menu of the home page, it shouldn't be red anymore |
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| 18:09.31 | AndyTim_ | All required fields were filled-in. The first line of the page says "Edit and re-submit this survey..." |
| 18:09.39 | AndyTim_ | That I did see. Thanks, araujo. |
| 18:10.32 | AndyTim_ | The first line of the page (and having forgotten what it was previous to survey completion) caused me concern that something was broken, or that I hadn't filled in all required fields. |
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| 18:12.15 | AndyTim_ | "Edit and re-submit this..." might be better off as "You may edit and re-submit this..." Just a humble suggestion to any Melange folks in here. Thanks for everything! :) |
| 18:13.01 | araujo | yeah, i think you can join #melange |
| 18:13.10 | skbohra | +1 |
| 18:13.15 | araujo | and send the suggestion there |
| 18:13.33 | AndyTim_ | Oops. Ok. :) +1 for for joining that chan or +1 for "You may..." ? |
| 18:14.08 | skbohra | +1 for joining #melange that's certainly a better place for this ;) |
| 18:14.54 | AndyTim_ | Ok. I'm sorry that your +1 ended up being much more long winded, simply because in the lively IRC environment, context can quickly be lost. Thanks again for the suggestion for my suggestion. |
| 18:15.25 | AndyTim_ | And I wish a good day to all. |
| 18:15.43 | skbohra | AndyTim: chill, no worries |
| 18:15.51 | araujo | hah, later AndyTim_ |
| 18:15.53 | araujo | :) |
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| 18:17.22 | skbohra | hunting for a good music player software for fedora, |
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| 18:21.57 | Wolf_OSGeo | is there a way for an admin to get a status of the mid-term reports? |
| 18:22.23 | skbohra | afaik no |
| 18:22.27 | Wolf_OSGeo | :S |
| 18:22.41 | skbohra | they are working on this |
| 18:22.45 | Wolf_OSGeo | have to check if anyone has requested that feature then... |
| 18:22.50 | Wolf_OSGeo | ah cool :D |
| 18:22.57 | Wolf_OSGeo | a very important feature |
| 18:22.58 | skbohra | you can hang on #melange |
| 18:23.17 | skbohra | !bugs |
| 18:23.17 | socinfo | "bugs" is Melange bugs are tracked at http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list |
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| 18:25.23 | Ophiuchi | Wolf_OSGeo: I would guess we could whine to lh fist thing Monday morning |
| 18:25.55 | Wolf_OSGeo | I'd rather file a bug report first :P, she is going to request it though |
| 18:26.51 | Ophiuchi | I don't care so much about wether its visible in Melange but being able to tell the secondary mentor he's now first and hop to it :-7 |
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| 19:54.04 | D3f0 | is away: Ausente por ahora |
| 19:54.37 | smtms | D3f0, away messages are irritating |
| 19:55.20 | thiago_home | I told him that in another channel |
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| 20:06.14 | totalfxp | hi |
| 20:06.34 | totalfxp | what's the actual way that a student can fail? |
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| 20:07.40 | totalfxp | i have worked lot. and have communicated with my mentor at short interveals. Can he fail me? |
| 20:07.48 | Catfish_Man | totalfxp: yup |
| 20:08.06 | totalfxp | why, and how? |
| 20:08.21 | Catfish_Man | why, I don't know. You didn't say "will he" you said "can he" |
| 20:08.24 | dberkholz | passing or failing is entirely at the discretion of your mentor |
| 20:08.35 | Catfish_Man | as for how, just fill out the mentor survey with a negative response |
| 20:08.51 | totalfxp | how does it affect? |
| 20:08.56 | Catfish_Man | what? |
| 20:09.13 | totalfxp | does it make any difference- filling the survey with neg. response |
| 20:09.18 | Catfish_Man | yes |
| 20:09.28 | Catfish_Man | the mentor survey though |
| 20:09.30 | Catfish_Man | not the student one |
| 20:10.04 | totalfxp | i am the student, so i fill the mentor survey? means i evaluate the mentor.? |
| 20:10.09 | Catfish_Man | no |
| 20:10.58 | Catfish_Man | your mentor has to fill in an evaluation of you, and at the end of it there's a question that's basically "did the student pass?" |
| 20:11.31 | totalfxp | how do i know if he fails a student / me? the project disappears from gsoc? |
| 20:11.43 | Catfish_Man | you'll be notified |
| 20:11.58 | totalfxp | can i fight back and give explainations? |
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| 20:13.47 | thiago_home | you can't fight back |
| 20:13.51 | thiago_home | but you should get explanations, yes |
| 20:13.58 | thiago_home | but the best way to know is to just ask your mentor |
| 20:14.14 | totalfxp | ok |
| 20:14.43 | totalfxp | my mentor is a good guy but he has disappeared altogether offlate |
| 20:14.52 | totalfxp | doesn't reply to chats or emails. |
| 20:14.55 | thiago_home | talk to an admin in the project |
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| 20:15.57 | totalfxp | ok, thanks |
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| 21:07.05 | Ophiuchi | oh dear |
| 21:13.31 | ajuonline | sympathies with you :) |
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| 21:33.03 | hypa7ia | __d3f0__: can you turn that script off, please? |
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| 23:07.57 | Ivanovic | lh: wow, the mentor program survey is lovely |
| 23:08.05 | Ivanovic | especially questions 18, 19 and 20 |
| 23:08.30 | Ivanovic | even better if you are "just" org admin and not really officially a mentor some questions are more difficult to answer |
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| 23:09.45 | Ivanovic | the result is that i had to write some short texts as comments |
| 23:10.02 | Ivanovic | sorry to everyone who has to read those |
| 23:10.22 | Ivanovic | off to bed now, n8 |
| 23:13.39 | Dark_Shikari | lol |
| 23:13.54 | Landon | nate? |
| 23:14.12 | Catfish_Man | Landon: nacht |
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| 23:18.25 | Lennie | hi all :) |
| 23:19.03 | Lennie | quick heads up, all mentors/students who didn't fill in their evaluation yet will be getting a reminder email within the next hour. Their respective org admins will be cc'ed. |
| 23:19.23 | Ivanovic | *great* |
| 23:19.38 | Lennie | :) |
| 23:19.57 | Lennie | the surveys should look better as well in most browsers now |
| 23:20.00 | Lennie | had some css fixes :) |
| 23:20.40 | Ivanovic | my main issue were some questions not being 100% clear what the "desired answers" would be |
| 23:20.56 | Ivanovic | in the program survey number 18 and 19 are the most problematic ones... |
| 23:22.00 | Ivanovic | 18. To the best of your knowledge, how many of the students allocated to your project for GSoC 2009 were already active on the project prior to participating in GSoC? |
| 23:22.04 | Ivanovic | 19. To the best of your knowledge, how many of the students allocated to your project for GSoC 2009 were already a committer or equivalent status prior to their participation in GSoC (past or present instances of the program)? |
| 23:22.32 | Ivanovic | the only real difference i see between those two questions is the "harder" version in 19 with commit access (since active can mean somehow active in the forums, too) |
| 23:22.42 | Lennie | to the best of my knowledge, 18 is casual committer, someone on the forums |
| 23:22.52 | Lennie | yes |
| 23:22.55 | Lennie | afaik that's right |
| 23:22.59 | Lennie | however I did not make the survey :D |
| 23:23.55 | Ivanovic | Lennie: and are there plans to automatically allow admins to participate in the program survey when they are not listed as mentors? |
| 23:24.11 | Ivanovic | i had to cheat now by adding me in the list of mentors so that i could do the prog survey |
| 23:24.12 | Lennie | first plans are to give you access to the answers |
| 23:24.18 | Lennie | oh that :) |
| 23:24.23 | Ivanovic | jupp, that |
| 23:24.38 | Lennie | org admins will get a similair survey one day :) |
| 23:24.50 | Ivanovic | and yeah, it would be great to be able to read the answers |
| 23:24.56 | Lennie | yes |
| 23:25.15 | Lennie | it's something we'll certainly try to do before finals :) |
| 23:25.33 | Ivanovic | okay, 1:30am over here already, really got to head off ot bed now, n8 (again) |
| 23:25.38 | Lennie | lol |
| 23:25.40 | Lennie | here too Ivanovic :) |
| 23:25.56 | Lennie | just watching the Task API going through the mail queue :) |
| 23:26.30 | Ivanovic | not really being able to watch much more since my eyes are shutting themselves off... |
| 23:26.41 | Lennie | :) |
| 23:26.42 | Lennie | hehe |
| 23:26.44 | Lennie | nn |
| 23:27.39 | Ivanovic | Lennie: a short mail to the mentor ml would be great stating that all mentors who have not filled out the survey so far should have gotten a reminder mail (and that the admins are in the cc) |
| 23:28.01 | Lennie | good one |
| 23:28.04 | Ivanovic | just that those admins that don't receive such a nagmail know that they are safe |
| 23:28.23 | Lennie | doing so right now |
| 23:28.27 | Ivanovic | great |
| 23:31.43 | Lennie | done |
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| 23:41.35 | Lennie | nn all, enjoy your reminder emails :) |
| 23:42.03 | Landon | oh boy, got some goodies from digikey |
| 23:42.07 | Landon | too bad I dont have a soldering iron yet |