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| 00:08.43 | Landon | lifeeth: dude, final project |
| 00:08.45 | Landon | :P |
| 00:08.55 | Landon | I'm not going to use someone elses code |
| 00:09.07 | Landon | besides, learning by synthesis :D |
| 00:10.32 | lifeeth | Landon, ok ;) |
| 00:11.06 | Landon | wouldnt mind using someone elses brain for my EE test though |
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| 08:04.40 | kblin | oh, wow |
| 08:05.03 | runasand | :) |
| 08:05.09 | kblin | the kmail spellchecker knows "guesstimate" |
| 08:05.32 | kblin | I didn't even know that this is a real word |
| 08:05.50 | thebolt | hi kblin |
| 08:05.54 | thebolt | hehe, nice :) |
| 08:06.07 | kblin | it'd be easier to use in scrabble if it was spelled guestimate, though |
| 08:06.12 | kblin | oh well |
| 08:06.34 | kblin | hi thebolt |
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| 08:12.37 | Upthorn | kblin |
| 08:12.51 | kblin | Upthorn |
| 08:12.56 | Upthorn | the google search spellchecker knows "cthulhu fhtagn" |
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| 08:13.59 | Upthorn | see http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=chthulu+fthagn&btnG=Google+Search in which both "word"s will be autocorrected |
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| 08:17.28 | Upthorn | to me, this is more impressive than "guesstimate" :P |
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| 08:21.41 | kblin | Upthorn: I think that spellchecker works on how words are written more often |
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| 08:22.01 | Upthorn | I know |
| 08:22.04 | Upthorn | but still |
| 08:22.06 | kblin | Upthorn: because it sometimes suggets popular misspellings as well |
| 08:22.24 | Upthorn | I'm sure it knows "guesstimate" too |
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| 08:27.46 | kumarabhi | hi people! how do i proceed for season of usability projects? do i need to propose my own ideas for each org? |
| 08:28.05 | kblin | season of usability? |
| 08:28.40 | kblin | thebolt: so, how's life? |
| 08:29.10 | thebolt | kblin: has its ups and downs, but overall i am surviving .) |
| 08:30.45 | runasand | kumarabhi: I don't think it's a google-thing. |
| 08:30.48 | runasand | kumarabhi: just inspired by |
| 08:31.00 | runasand | kumarabhi: no wait, google is one of the sponsors :] |
| 08:31.26 | runasand | kblin: http://season.openusability.org/ |
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| 08:32.54 | plastun | Sorry for importunate question about payments. What way Google will send me stipend? |
| 08:33.34 | runasand | plastun: they used cards last year which they activated, so it might be the same thing this year as well |
| 08:33.44 | kblin | plastun: should be in the faq |
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| 08:34.18 | plastun | i am a student from Belarus. How can i get this card? |
| 08:34.41 | kblin | kumarabhi: http://season.openusability.org/index.php/projects has the instructions on how to apply |
| 08:34.46 | runasand | plastun: they send it to you? |
| 08:35.04 | runasand | kblin: actually, I haven't seen anything about how the students will get the payments in the faq |
| 08:35.25 | plastun | what is the card? Plastic card or something else? |
| 08:35.40 | runasand | plastun: it was a plastic card last year |
| 08:35.41 | ojwb | kblin: both guesstimate and guestimate are valid in scrabble |
| 08:35.58 | ojwb | at least for the sowpods wordlist |
| 08:35.59 | plastun | ok, and, how can i get it? |
| 08:36.09 | kblin | ojwb: ah, good to know :) |
| 08:36.19 | kblin | plastun: wait for google to send it to you |
| 08:37.02 | plastun | i am afraid, that i will have problems with Google plastic card in my country :( |
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| 08:38.23 | kblin | runasand: it was a fixed value debit card from some major credit card company last year, right? |
| 08:38.26 | plastun | i want to know more about this card to have advice with our tax professionals. |
| 08:39.25 | kblin | plastun: I'm no tax professional, but I don't see how the method of receiving the money affects the taxation of the money |
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| 08:40.22 | runasand | kblin: don't know, actually. I've only heard that it was a type of mastercard/visacard and you could take out your money in cash from any atm |
| 08:40.23 | ajuonline | plastun: consider it as an ATM card. mastercard. |
| 08:40.30 | ajuonline | and what runasand said |
| 08:40.37 | smtms | plastun, just get the money out of an ATM and pretend they paid you in cash |
| 08:40.51 | runasand | ajuonline: :) |
| 08:40.58 | kblin | runasand: ah, you sounded like a returning student :) |
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| 08:41.17 | runasand | kblin: I've talked to returning students ^_^ |
| 08:41.23 | plastun | ok. and one more question: what does Signature field means in Foreign Certification form? |
| 08:41.30 | runasand | plastun: sign with your name. |
| 08:41.44 | ajuonline | plastun: they are asking for your autograph. |
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| 08:42.00 | kblin | runasand: they didn't use the debit cards when I was a student, so I don't really know about those |
| 08:42.00 | runasand | that's a better way of saying it, ajuonline :p |
| 08:42.14 | runasand | kblin: ah ok :) |
| 08:42.21 | plastun | ok. thanks :) |
| 08:42.51 | ajuonline | :) |
| 08:42.56 | ajuonline | !stats |
| 08:42.57 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 08:43.06 | kblin | runasand: I did US cheques, local currency cheques and western union |
| 08:43.43 | runasand | kblin: heh, a friend of mine did the whole western-union-thing |
| 08:43.55 | runasand | and I'm glad the payment-process is different now :) |
| 08:44.05 | Mek | for me the WU actually worked better and easier than the debit cards thing... |
| 08:44.36 | kblin | dunno, western union was ok, once I got the local bank to accept that western union in the US actually allowed a non-real-person to send money |
| 08:44.45 | runasand | Mek: why's that? |
| 08:44.49 | smtms | kblin, non-real-person? |
| 08:45.21 | Mek | runasand: with WU I could just go to my bank and get the money in my account, with the debit card I'd had to go through cash first (and it is impossible to get the last < 10euros from the card) |
| 08:45.56 | ajuonline | and WU has high forex rates |
| 08:46.09 | ajuonline | at least compareed to the banks |
| 08:46.11 | kblin | smtms: google, inc |
| 08:46.47 | kblin | smtms: in germany, WU needs a person to send the money |
| 08:47.15 | runasand | Mek: ah, I was wondering abou that. |
| 08:47.22 | kblin | smtms: but when I filled out the form for the mid-term, the bank person accepted that I got money from a Mr. Google Inc |
| 08:47.33 | runasand | hah :) |
| 08:47.55 | Mek | I only had to point out the the bank person that perhaps she shold try the second option in the computer system 'a company' :) |
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| 08:49.42 | kblin | but I actually had the most fun getting my tax refund for 2005 |
| 08:49.55 | kblin | because I got the money from the US Treasury |
| 08:50.20 | kblin | and the bank teller didn't believe that was actually a bank for a couple of minutes |
| 08:50.30 | p_l | haha |
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| 08:51.22 | p_l | taxes... the only sure thing in the universe... |
| 08:51.37 | kblin | Seriously, they _print_ the damn money, they'll be able to back up the $1350 cheque they sent me |
| 08:52.15 | p_l | spent Wednesday hauling his a** to consulate general in order to get his tax forms sent |
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| 09:02.50 | kumarabhi | kblin:but i dont know whether we have to select our own idea or there are some suggested ideas ? nothing much is mentioned on the website |
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| 09:04.07 | kblin | kumarabhi: so follow the process of sking questions as stated on that page? |
| 09:04.25 | kblin | seriously, reading documentation really, really helps |
| 09:04.34 | kumarabhi | kblin: ok thanx |
| 09:05.03 | kblin | kumarabhi: I'd also like to note that season of usability has no connection whatsoever with summer of code with the respect to running it |
| 09:05.19 | kumarabhi | kblin:ok...i know that |
| 09:05.54 | kblin | kumarabhi: so asking me about this stuff is kind of pointless :) |
| 09:06.07 | kumarabhi | kblin:ok |
| 09:06.14 | kblin | I've first heard about this thing when you asked about it |
| 09:06.43 | kblin | that said, I find the usability of that website somewhat lacking :) |
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| 09:18.13 | kumarabhi | ok fine |
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| 10:09.06 | kblin | ahrg, dammit |
| 10:09.20 | kblin | I really should stop reading the mentors list. |
| 10:10.08 | skbohr1 | I wonder if anybody ever unsubscribe for any lists once he subscribe it , I had never |
| 10:10.21 | kblin | sure |
| 10:10.27 | kblin | a lot of them |
| 10:10.29 | ajuonline | web only mode |
| 10:11.22 | skbohr1 | I think I should take time and do that, so many mails flooding into inbox, which I never read |
| 10:11.22 | ajuonline | and yes, to that as well |
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| 10:18.35 | skbohr1 | is going to upgrade to f10, f9 seems to be dieing alas! |
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| 10:26.01 | ajuonline | skbohra: use ubuntu :P |
| 10:29.15 | skbohra | I see my roommate using ubuntu and that convince me to stick to fedora :D |
| 10:30.30 | skbohra | where is the root, in ubuntu? |
| 10:30.43 | spectre | what ? |
| 10:30.54 | skbohra | root user? |
| 10:31.09 | spectre | use sudo |
| 10:31.10 | magnetik | There is no root user |
| 10:31.15 | skbohra | ah |
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| 10:32.46 | skbohra | and yum handles everything well, another reason for me to stick to fedora |
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| 10:35.08 | ojwb | $ grep root /etc/passwd |
| 10:35.08 | ojwb | root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash |
| 10:35.20 | ojwb | that's on Ubuntu |
| 10:35.35 | ojwb | root can't log in, by default |
| 10:35.48 | ojwb | but there certainly is a root user |
| 10:43.53 | kblin | actually you can set up the system to allow root to log in |
| 10:44.23 | ojwb | yes, i know |
| 10:44.27 | ojwb | as I said "by default" |
| 10:44.28 | kblin | so this is pretty much a question of default policy |
| 10:44.37 | kblin | ojwb: oh, right |
| 10:44.41 | kblin | ojwb: missed that |
| 10:44.52 | kblin | skbohra: then what ojwb said :) |
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| 10:45.22 | kblin | but of course everybody should take whatever distro s/he likes |
| 10:45.42 | kblin | I don't care as long as people don't bother me with their distro having weird issues |
| 10:45.53 | ojwb | yeah, so long as it isn't <insert name of random distro here> |
| 10:46.08 | skbohra | kblin: yeah, the features make people like/dislike distros |
| 10:46.42 | kblin | skbohra: dunno. my last distro change was purely political |
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| 10:48.52 | ojwb | personally I just want something which lets me get on with something more important |
| 10:49.08 | kblin | nods |
| 10:49.32 | kblin | that's the case with pretty much every software you're not a developer for |
| 10:49.58 | ojwb | or aren't developing against, perhaps |
| 10:50.18 | kblin | granted |
| 10:51.18 | kblin | but I think if I was a KDE developer, I wouldn't care about Gnome too much, except stealing neat ideas |
| 10:51.33 | kblin | s/except/apart from/ |
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| 10:52.47 | Ivanovic | my last distro switch was because lfs became too much work to really maintain it... |
| 10:53.37 | Ivanovic | (and since gentoo makes the maintainence part rather easy and it basically "just works" it is the perfect choice for me (though clearly not for many other users)) |
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| 10:54.21 | skbohra | I have heard a lot of gentoo, would consider to try it |
| 10:54.35 | kblin | Ivanovic: that's probably because you're smart enough to not use compiler flags you don't understand |
| 10:54.40 | Ivanovic | the main negative part is that it drains energy |
| 10:54.43 | Ivanovic | kblin: of course |
| 10:55.19 | Ivanovic | drains energy as in: perfect in winter, turn off your normal heater and just reinstall your system, your room will be lovely warm afterwards |
| 10:55.20 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 10:55.45 | Ivanovic | yes, there is no fancy whatever graphic config and package manager interface (by default) |
| 10:56.06 | Ivanovic | configuring the system is done by editing config files, which is perfectly fine for me |
| 10:56.15 | skbohra | that scared me :) reconsidering now :D |
| 10:56.35 | Ivanovic | and yeah, you can bork the whole system if you got no clue what you are doing |
| 10:57.11 | Ivanovic | on the other hand it gives you everything you might need to eg have "packages" right out of svn/git/whatever trees |
| 10:57.34 | Dark_Shikari | well, in an ideal world |
| 10:57.45 | Dark_Shikari | in the real world you end up with enormous numbers of blocked packages, things that won't compile |
| 10:57.49 | thiago_home | KDE developers, in general, have either a neutral or positive attitude towards GNOME. We want GNOME to succeed -- as long as we succeed more ;-) |
| 10:57.54 | Dark_Shikari | and a system guaranteed to be different from every single other user who ever existed |
| 10:57.57 | Dark_Shikari | and thus impossible to support |
| 10:57.58 | Ivanovic | (it is dead simple to eg add an ebuild (that package description format used for building the packages) into your tree to eg build the radeonhd drivers right out of a branch of the git tree |
| 10:58.21 | Dark_Shikari | the best part is when they announce a new portage with improved blocker resolution |
| 10:58.22 | Dark_Shikari | but you can't update |
| 10:58.25 | Dark_Shikari | because portage is blocked |
| 10:58.39 | Ivanovic | Dark_Shikari: uhm, i seldom have any such problems even though i am using gentoo unstable |
| 10:58.55 | Ivanovic | you only use "less stable" packages when you really know what you're doing |
| 10:59.01 | Ivanovic | then things work perfectly |
| 10:59.12 | Dark_Shikari | I had that problem updating an older gentoo system to latest gentoo *stable* |
| 10:59.15 | Ivanovic | thiago_home: sounds like a healthy way to see competition |
| 10:59.26 | Dark_Shikari | also, every single time I run an emerge update, I have to manually intervene every 10 packages or so |
| 10:59.30 | Ivanovic | Dark_Shikari: he, yeah, gentoo is *different* in those regards |
| 10:59.39 | Ivanovic | that is i update my system basically daily, so such problems don't occur |
| 10:59.40 | Dark_Shikari | mostly because shit is ALWAYS broken |
| 10:59.49 | Ivanovic | if you don't update for eg 2 months you can get lots of problems |
| 11:00.00 | Dark_Shikari | and if you update daily you get shit like when they broke libstdc++ |
| 11:00.13 | Ivanovic | you can get this shit in, yeah |
| 11:00.26 | Ivanovic | but most often it just works |
| 11:00.32 | kblin | shrugs |
| 11:00.44 | Dark_Shikari | points to his incredibly broken portage tree that resulted from nothing other than doing normal updates |
| 11:00.47 | Ivanovic | (and if you see a problem with a package, you just add it in the block list and that's it) |
| 11:01.14 | Dark_Shikari | I ended up just compiling and installing things manually to avoid portage's brokenness |
| 11:01.23 | Ivanovic | Dark_Shikari: if you have not updated for "too long" the best thing to do is an emerge -e system && emerge -e world |
| 11:01.25 | kblin | I could probably come up with a list of issues with every distro I've ever used |
| 11:01.33 | skbohra | distro talks always ends up with arguing, though knowing there is nothing universally g00d thing |
| 11:01.38 | Dark_Shikari | Ivanovic: I update every few weeks |
| 11:01.41 | Ivanovic | kblin: jupp, there are always issues |
| 11:01.45 | Dark_Shikari | usually I give up after about 25 packages that won't compile |
| 11:01.53 | Ivanovic | Dark_Shikari: wow |
| 11:02.08 | Dark_Shikari | I mean, I'm on unstable, but still |
| 11:02.40 | Dark_Shikari | gentoo would be much better if they got rid of use flags and actually did proper Q&A on their packages |
| 11:02.55 | Ivanovic | Dark_Shikari: the only one i know from someone having problems that i know in person is from a friend of mine running stable and not updating for basically a year |
| 11:03.02 | kblin | Dark_Shikari: what I don't get is this... why are you using gentoo if you hate it that much? |
| 11:03.10 | Ivanovic | at the end she was swearing a lot and it took her some time to get the update done |
| 11:03.11 | Dark_Shikari | kblin: I don't have physical access to the server |
| 11:03.30 | Dark_Shikari | I technically don't admin it, but I end up doing so since nobody else uses it |
| 11:03.47 | Ivanovic | ugh, okay, for server i would not use anything beside debian stable |
| 11:03.55 | kblin | :) |
| 11:03.56 | Dark_Shikari | My entire company runs gentoo exclusively for its servers |
| 11:04.09 | Ivanovic | my comments are directed to desktop and laptop systems |
| 11:04.27 | Dark_Shikari | well, this is a "server" solely by the rule of "it's accessed primarily over ssh, not with a keyboard" |
| 11:04.28 | Ivanovic | and for servers i would never use gentoo unstable |
| 11:04.35 | Dark_Shikari | it doesn't actually serve anything |
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| 11:05.17 | kblin | Dark_Shikari: I guess the corrolary is "sucks to be you" then ;) |
| 11:05.22 | Dark_Shikari | lol |
| 11:05.32 | Dark_Shikari | well IMO there don't seem to be any good distros |
| 11:05.52 | Ivanovic | Dark_Shikari: in fact there are many good distributions |
| 11:05.57 | Ivanovic | though all are working differently |
| 11:05.58 | Dark_Shikari | gentoo has use flags and thus is unmaintainable, debian/ubuntu are technically brilliant but run by idiots |
| 11:06.03 | Ivanovic | some are doing some things better than others |
| 11:06.07 | Dark_Shikari | yum is the worst package manager I've ever used, so that rules out fedora |
| 11:06.08 | kblin | hehe |
| 11:06.23 | kblin | Dark_Shikari: try zypper if you get the time |
| 11:06.25 | Dark_Shikari | there are some others but most are based on the same package management systems |
| 11:06.30 | kblin | and by that I really mean time |
| 11:06.33 | Dark_Shikari | and thus inherit many of the same problems |
| 11:06.36 | Ivanovic | in fact i think the useflags are *great*, you configure a basic set you always want and can finetune single packages by hand as needed |
| 11:06.51 | Dark_Shikari | Ivanovic: in practice use flags result in the following |
| 11:07.02 | Dark_Shikari | 1) Terrible use flag defaults that result in tons of gentoo users complaining to us about broken software |
| 11:07.14 | Dark_Shikari | 2) nobody's system is the same, so you can't get any real support on anything |
| 11:07.18 | Dark_Shikari | 3) you save 500 kilobytes |
| 11:07.45 | Dark_Shikari | the good thing is you can often get 1) fixed by complaining repeatedly to the right people |
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| 11:08.08 | kblin | or by not supporting gentoo |
| 11:08.14 | Dark_Shikari | lol |
| 11:08.20 | Dark_Shikari | http://funroll-loops.info/ ftw eh |
| 11:08.37 | kblin | that's the way wine fixed 32bit wine on 64bit gentoo |
| 11:08.48 | Dark_Shikari | lol |
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| 11:09.27 | Ivanovic | wine is IMO some ambivalent project |
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| 11:09.45 | Ivanovic | on one hand it is good that there is some way to run the good old windows progs on linux |
| 11:09.59 | kblin | I'm not biting :) |
| 11:10.12 | Ivanovic | on the other hand this is the cause that some companies say "hey, there is no need for a native linux version since it (somehow) runs in wine, use this..." |
| 11:10.28 | Ivanovic | and since i am all for native versions i personally tend to not consider wine... |
| 11:10.39 | Dark_Shikari | ironically only uses wine to run open source programs... |
| 11:10.42 | Ivanovic | kblin: i know that you (tend to) not bite... |
| 11:10.55 | kblin | :) |
| 11:11.48 | kblin | Ivanovic: my only reply is this: if wine's working, your windows program will run on all distros out there |
| 11:12.23 | kblin | which beats having to make your stuff work on the big five distros of the day |
| 11:12.47 | Dark_Shikari | likes programs that are distro-agnostic |
| 11:13.13 | Dark_Shikari | it's great because then you don't have to support any distro at all |
| 11:13.14 | Ivanovic | remembers eg ut2003 |
| 11:13.24 | Ivanovic | works even today nicely since you can easily change the libs to use |
| 11:13.44 | Ivanovic | (as in systems version of sdl and openal) |
| 11:13.53 | skiquel | Ivanovic: yoyo |
| 11:14.02 | skiquel | you play unreal tourny 2k4? |
| 11:14.16 | skiquel | up for some Onslaught-Orlan? |
| 11:14.35 | Ivanovic | and i prefer this instead of a program relying on wine and the devs saying "nah, there is wine, some users reported it works, that is enough" |
| 11:14.41 | kblin | Ivanovic: I bought the linux version of tribes 2 back in the days when loki was still around |
| 11:14.42 | Ivanovic | so that you basically get no real support |
| 11:15.01 | kblin | Ivanovic: it doesn't run on current glibcs |
| 11:15.11 | kblin | Ivanovic: the windows version still works in wine |
| 11:15.13 | Dark_Shikari | this is why everyone should statically link libc |
| 11:15.17 | Dark_Shikari | =p |
| 11:15.55 | kblin | Ivanovic: of course the real issue is that you simply can't fix closed source software |
| 11:16.02 | Ivanovic | kblin: jupp |
| 11:16.04 | Dark_Shikari | sure you can. statically link libc ;) |
| 11:17.45 | Ivanovic | kblin: the problem i see is mainly that the "core" devs don't officially support the wine version |
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| 11:18.04 | Ivanovic | and they also say that they don't bother porting since some users eventually reported that it somehow worked using wine |
| 11:18.13 | Ivanovic | which IMO is a real problem |
| 11:18.55 | kblin | that's their issue then |
| 11:18.56 | Ivanovic | and for me a "this might run somehow" is not enough reason to buy a software |
| 11:19.34 | Ivanovic | (especially when in effect this software is counted as windows version sale even though i am not using the software under windows) |
| 11:20.19 | kblin | I know of a company that decided to do a linux port of their software when they saw that there was a significant number of wine users of their software |
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| 11:21.17 | kblin | and some companies work with us even if they don't officially support their software on wine |
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| 11:22.37 | kblin | given that wine is used by many people so they don't have to boot into their wintentdo, I don't see how we're having a negative impact on linux ports |
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| 11:27.13 | Ivanovic | personally i really prefer having the native versions simply because "even one more interface that can break" is gone than |
| 11:28.21 | Ivanovic | it gets especially strange when you have to define some dll overrides and stuff like this |
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| 11:35.13 | kblin | shrugs |
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| 11:59.33 | kblin | le sigh |
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| 16:58.49 | socinfo | "next" is Time to start bonding with your community: http://tinyurl.com/community-bonding |
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| 17:35.12 | landon_ | pokes Landon |
| 17:35.14 | landon_ | die already! |
| 17:35.46 | smtms | landon_, what about using NickServ's ghost command? |
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| 17:36.25 | landon_ | smtms: well, I prefer he stay on here |
| 17:36.28 | landon_ | but I can't connect to my server |
| 17:36.30 | landon_ | :\ |
| 17:36.34 | landon_ | and it's apparently still up |
| 17:36.37 | landon_ | as Landon hasn |
| 17:36.40 | landon_ | tt disappeared |
| 17:36.45 | landon_ | in the past 5 hours |
| 17:36.50 | lut4rp | heh |
| 17:37.15 | landon_ | when I ssh I get :ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 17:37.17 | landon_ | immediately |
| 17:37.23 | landon_ | which I've never seen before |
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| 17:46.41 | smtms | landon_, have you googled the error message? |
| 17:46.58 | landon_ | yeah |
| 17:47.02 | landon_ | seems to indicate a bad firewal |
| 17:47.06 | landon_ | which is odd, since I have none :) |
| 17:47.12 | landon_ | other than what the VPS provider might have |
| 17:48.24 | smtms | landon_, you could ask them if they changed their firewall's configuration or otherwise ask for assistence |
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| 17:54.57 | landon_ | smtms: parts of their site are downish and their support is gone |
| 17:55.00 | landon_ | haven't had a chance to call yet |
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| 18:00.02 | smtms | landon_, you can expect you are not the only one affected then |
| 18:00.44 | Lennie | hiya |
| 18:01.02 | kblin | hi |
| 18:01.05 | Lennie | sends hordes of lemmings over ajuonline |
| 18:02.55 | Lennie | hi kblin, wassup? |
| 18:04.43 | kblin | not much, annoyed by the mentor's list |
| 18:08.16 | ochot | kblin: hehe, I guess just like a lot of people are annoyed by student's list :-) |
| 18:09.30 | runasand | hehe :) |
| 18:10.52 | Ivanovic | kblin: yeah, atm it is rather *argh* |
| 18:11.34 | landon_ | I'm already a thousand posts behind on the students list |
| 18:11.37 | landon_ | and it feels gooooooood |
| 18:11.48 | landon_ | doh, my mailserver is down atm |
| 18:11.50 | landon_ | :\ |
| 18:12.00 | landon_ | needs to get his other computer up and mailing |
| 18:12.16 | ochot | landon_: I wouldn't worry too much...except for a little excitement in "Best Ways to Use GSoC Cash" thread not much has happened :-) |
| 18:12.22 | landon_ | :P |
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| 18:12.58 | Catfish_Man | ochot: build a beer volcano? hookers and blackjack? |
| 18:13.18 | landon_ | heck, forget the beer volcano |
| 18:13.19 | ochot | Catfish_Man: actually hookers were part of the excitement.. |
| 18:13.21 | landon_ | and the blackjack |
| 18:14.11 | ochot | and someone mentioned horny girls, then lh had to step it to remind the person that not everyone is a) guy b) heterosexual :-) |
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| 18:14.29 | ochot | it was a fun read |
| 18:14.38 | landon_ | well, not everyone has to get horny girls! |
| 18:14.38 | landon_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.53 | Catfish_Man | ochot: sounds like business as usual on the list :( |
| 18:14.56 | Catfish_Man | is glad he doesn't read it |
| 18:15.21 | landon_ | heh |
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| 18:25.21 | ajuonline | Lennie: :D |
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| 18:25.42 | Lennie | ajuonline |
| 18:25.51 | ajuonline | how are you doing ? |
| 18:25.53 | Lennie | ajuonline, let's play 20 questions |
| 18:26.02 | ajuonline | heh ok :P |
| 18:26.03 | Lennie | ask me ;P |
| 18:26.18 | ajuonline | what is it that flies but still is not a bird? |
| 18:26.56 | Lennie | I cant answer that with yes or no :p |
| 18:27.08 | Lennie | ^^ |
| 18:27.10 | ajuonline | umm ok |
| 18:27.12 | ajuonline | are you a female? |
| 18:27.16 | Lennie | no |
| 18:27.25 | runasand | are you famous? |
| 18:27.37 | Lennie | for most of the people in here, yes |
| 18:27.45 | ajuonline | yeah, everyone knows Lennie #melange rules :P |
| 18:27.53 | Lennie | ajuonline, TBBT reference :P |
| 18:28.08 | ajuonline | yeah :P |
| 18:28.46 | ajuonline | are you drunk? |
| 18:28.52 | Lennie | nope |
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| 18:29.00 | Lennie | nm :) |
| 18:29.08 | Erant | Are you Spock? |
| 18:29.11 | Lennie | Yes |
| 18:29.12 | Lennie | ! |
| 18:29.14 | Erant | ;P |
| 18:29.15 | Lennie | Erant, brilliant ;D |
| 18:29.26 | Lennie | ajuonline, seen the last TBBT :)? |
| 18:29.33 | ajuonline | nope |
| 18:29.37 | ajuonline | i have it downloaded though |
| 18:29.41 | Lennie | ok :) |
| 18:29.49 | Lennie | cool |
| 18:30.11 | Lennie | you got accepted into GSoC ajuonline? |
| 18:30.33 | ajuonline | Lennie: yes |
| 18:30.34 | ajuonline | :) |
| 18:30.39 | Lennie | awesome |
| 18:31.01 | runasand | what role did you have last year, ajuonline? |
| 18:31.17 | ajuonline | runasand: same, ajuonline |
| 18:31.26 | ajuonline | :D |
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| 18:31.34 | runasand | uhm, I ment gsoc-wise |
| 18:31.51 | ajuonline | student |
| 18:32.01 | runasand | ah :) |
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| 18:36.01 | ajuonline | some shit on the students list as well |
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| 18:36.14 | ajuonline | i missed it earlier :) nvm ;) |
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| 18:46.17 | runasand | ajuonline: you just had to answer ^_^ |
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| 18:52.17 | ajuonline | runasand: if I was to be a millionaire, i wouldnt need to do gsoc for the 2nd time ;) |
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| 18:53.55 | landon_ | ajuonline: would you start your own linux distro? |
| 18:54.21 | ajuonline | landon_: why on earth would I want to do that? |
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| 18:54.41 | ajuonline | i would prefer looking at my toe-nails grow. instead. |
| 18:55.32 | kblin | why on earth would anyone want that? |
| 18:56.25 | ajuonline | kblin: another distro? |
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| 18:57.02 | lcuk | theres many reasons to shake the stack and build a new distro |
| 18:57.17 | ajuonline | go distro less |
| 18:57.32 | lcuk | i went another route and im just building everything i need myself ;) |
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| 18:57.43 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY |
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| 18:58.42 | lcuk | linux core libraries are great though :) they provide a rock solid platform to stand on |
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| 19:01.39 | kblin | there's too many distros already |
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| 19:02.15 | lcuk | kblin, think of it like microbreweries :) everybody has their preferences |
| 19:02.39 | kblin | there's hardly any of those here |
| 19:02.43 | lcuk | or garage bands - for every 1 you hear on the radio theres 10000 |
| 19:02.54 | kblin | because the big breweries make beer that doesn't suck |
| 19:03.07 | lcuk | kblin, you go to the wrong pubs then |
| 19:03.27 | lcuk | its not about sucking, its about variety and choice and conversation topics |
| 19:03.42 | lcuk | some people like sampling the offerings |
| 19:03.48 | kblin | I'm German, don't tell me about beer ;) |
| 19:04.02 | lcuk | dont you have a whole month dedicated to it then lol |
| 19:04.49 | kblin | no, we have one month where we let tourists have some beer as well, we're dedicating the remaining 11 months to it |
| 19:04.57 | kblin | ;) |
| 19:05.01 | landon_ | hah |
| 19:05.03 | lcuk | :D heh good answer |
| 19:05.03 | Ivanovic | kblin: so wrong |
| 19:05.16 | Ivanovic | in this month we do also show them that the bear is drinkable |
| 19:05.24 | Catfish_Man | you guys drink bears? |
| 19:05.24 | Ivanovic | so basically we got 12 months worth of good beer |
| 19:05.25 | Catfish_Man | hardcore |
| 19:05.29 | kblin | you drink bears? |
| 19:05.33 | kblin | you sick person |
| 19:05.38 | Ivanovic | Catfish_Man: sure, don't you? |
| 19:05.43 | Catfish_Man | nope |
| 19:05.46 | Catfish_Man | I'm not that much of a badass |
| 19:05.53 | landon_ | I keep the arms myself |
| 19:06.02 | lcuk | what kind of bear do you drink? |
| 19:06.03 | landon_ | exercising my constitutional rights |
| 19:06.08 | lcuk | and dont you need a big glass |
| 19:06.12 | kblin | Catfish_Man: that'd explain why "butt" tastes that bad ;) |
| 19:06.13 | ajuonline | :O |
| 19:06.30 | Ivanovic | lcuk: right out of the production device, no glass needed |
| 19:06.32 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 19:06.48 | kblin | ew |
| 19:06.52 | landon_ | gristle tickles my throat too much |
| 19:06.58 | kblin | bad...mental...images |
| 19:07.05 | spectie | yeah |
| 19:07.06 | spectie | tmi |
| 19:07.20 | lcuk | hurt his finger a bit |
| 19:07.45 | kblin | lcuk: but anyway, I see it for beer, or music |
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| 19:07.52 | kblin | lcuk: but not for engineering :) |
| 19:08.21 | lcuk | kblin, i sat infront of a laptop last night wishing for it to be as simple and intuitive as my software |
| 19:08.25 | lcuk | and cursing cos it wasnt |
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| 19:08.47 | lcuk | so if i made a distro it would be filled with quick simple effective things |
| 19:09.08 | kblin | next you won't go shipping vim with it |
| 19:09.28 | landon_ | its cool, he uses dd |
| 19:09.34 | kblin | ah, fair enough |
| 19:09.53 | lcuk | no i prefer visual |
| 19:09.59 | lcuk | is a touchscreen user |
| 19:10.03 | landon_ | :P |
| 19:10.07 | landon_ | heh |
| 19:10.09 | landon_ | touchscreen dd! |
| 19:10.12 | landon_ | drag and drop the blocks |
| 19:10.21 | lcuk | :D |
| 19:10.24 | kblin | you can't program using legos, though |
| 19:10.30 | lcuk | course you can |
| 19:10.37 | kblin | nothing useful in a reasonable time, that is |
| 19:10.43 | lcuk | thats how all software should be build |
| 19:10.44 | lcuk | t |
| 19:10.51 | landon_ | acarol.woz.org/ |
| 19:10.53 | landon_ | oh |
| 19:10.53 | landon_ | pf |
| 19:10.54 | kblin | dunno |
| 19:10.59 | landon_ | reasonable time, who needs that |
| 19:11.13 | lcuk | the computr can store away my prebuild sections ;) |
| 19:11.45 | kblin | I've got one of these lego nxt bricks, and tried using the tool that comes with it. sure.. you can make the robot do simple things really fast |
| 19:12.05 | kblin | but trying to use it for something the designers didn't intend is kind of clumsy |
| 19:12.09 | landon_ | heh, who was it writing a C compiler for NXT? |
| 19:12.09 | landon_ | ls |
| 19:12.10 | landon_ | gah |
| 19:12.12 | landon_ | fricking client |
| 19:13.34 | kblin | lcuk: an easy interface is nice and well, if you can switch it to "I know what I'm doing, so let me do it already" mode |
| 19:14.16 | lcuk | kblin, totally agreed |
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| 19:14.56 | lcuk | in what im writing there isnt a whole lot of choice tho - the ui HAS to usable and not cluttered in only 4" of screen |
| 19:15.12 | lcuk | but once those principles are done correctly it can scale up ;) |
| 19:15.38 | lcuk | much easier than trying to squash a behomoth desktop app into a tiny screen |
| 19:15.55 | kblin | I like not having to smear my finger over my screen to place my cursor, though |
| 19:16.07 | lcuk | i use a stylus |
| 19:16.16 | lcuk | finger when non available |
| 19:16.24 | kblin | not much better, though |
| 19:16.29 | lcuk | tis perfect |
| 19:16.35 | lcuk | its under my direct control |
| 19:16.46 | kblin | if you get 100% accuracy on the ocr |
| 19:17.04 | kblin | and if the ocr gets squiggly braces and stuff |
| 19:17.07 | lcuk | i have a keyboard for that, and im storing sketches at present not trying to ocr it |
| 19:17.36 | kblin | I'm not trying to write code on a cell phone |
| 19:17.54 | kblin | I'm trying to imagine how the system would feel like on a PC |
| 19:18.28 | lcuk | on a pc you carry on as you are with kb and mouse |
| 19:18.34 | lcuk | theres nothing wrong with it there |
| 19:18.50 | lcuk | but i do want to replace my wall mounted currently hand written calendar and pinboard |
| 19:19.25 | kblin | ok, I can see that |
| 19:19.52 | lcuk | quick pics http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=283080#post283080 |
| 19:20.27 | lcuk | :) hopefully by the end of summer with z4chh's help we will have it network connected and automatically synced |
| 19:20.57 | kblin | what does it sync with? |
| 19:21.44 | lcuk | with the other devices i want it to (nokia n8x0s for the family) and with the touchscreen pc thats gonna replace the pinboard |
| 19:22.13 | lcuk | theres a load of other things i want to do with the sketches |
| 19:22.28 | lcuk | and my framework is coming together nicely and can handle lots of nice things |
| 19:23.17 | lcuk | did you see the video i posted earlier? |
| 19:24.51 | kblin | no |
| 19:24.58 | lcuk | errr |
| 19:25.01 | kblin | not too happy with 64bit flash |
| 19:25.03 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY |
| 19:25.30 | kblin | I saw the screenshots |
| 19:25.33 | lcuk | it just shows where im upto and which direction my ui is gonna be moving in |
| 19:25.41 | lcuk | yeah - they dont do it justice ;) |
| 19:26.02 | kblin | fair enough |
| 19:26.29 | kblin | I'm not into mobile devices smaller than my R52 much |
| 19:27.18 | lcuk | i want my stuff available whatever im sat with, ive got numerous touchscreens lying around now lol |
| 19:27.40 | lcuk | i like the high dpi on the handhelds though |
| 19:27.59 | lcuk | and the fact i can rest my arm without intefering with the touch |
| 19:29.02 | lcuk | anyway, gotta go |
| 19:29.09 | lcuk | enjoy the beers \o |
| 19:32.30 | kblin | or bears.. each to his own |
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