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| 00:46.12 | z4chh | there any way to make your proposal public on the gsoc site? |
| 00:46.36 | literal | don't think so |
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| 00:46.59 | literal | you could post it somewhere else on your own... |
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| 00:50.00 | z4chh | thanks literal |
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| 00:54.48 | Gacker | anyone here knows why is apache-ant used? |
| 01:00.43 | z4chh | what would be a good place to post your proposal for public view? my website is not all that presentable atm :p |
| 01:04.33 | literal | on your organization's wiki maybe, if they have one |
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| 02:29.47 | Landon | kicks HDDVD in the butt |
| 02:30.06 | Landon | perhaps I should have gotten a full blown player instead of just a drive |
| 02:30.07 | Landon | :p |
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| 02:30.55 | r0bby | sighs |
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| 02:47.22 | omniter | XD this is so awesome. i get my own branch of the project source with commit privileges. XD |
| 02:47.26 | omniter | dances |
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| 02:58.35 | skbohra | plays music for omniter |
| 02:59.02 | omniter | :D |
| 02:59.15 | omniter | how are you doing skbohra? |
| 02:59.28 | omniter | are you a student as well? |
| 02:59.29 | skbohra | omniter: great going |
| 02:59.33 | skbohra | yeah |
| 02:59.37 | omniter | did you start coding? |
| 02:59.47 | skbohra | ominter: yeah started |
| 02:59.54 | omniter | i'm still working out the file structure. oh good for you! |
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| 03:26.08 | Lezard | I`m bored |
| 03:27.13 | Ryan52 | Lezard: then go do something with friends. |
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| 03:35.49 | Lezard | its 00:35 at the moment |
| 03:35.58 | Lezard | and my neck hurts xD |
| 03:36.00 | Ryan52 | then sleep |
| 03:36.03 | Ryan52 | :P |
| 03:36.09 | Lezard | can`t my neck hurts xD |
| 03:36.37 | Ryan52 | then take some pills so that it stops hurting ;) |
| 03:36.41 | Lezard | I won`t carry so much weight again... |
| 03:36.52 | Ryan52 | what did you do? |
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| 03:37.35 | Lezard | well, I stayed for a full day carrying a backpack with around 20 pounds on it |
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| 03:38.21 | Lezard | I needed some of the stuff inside it in the end of the day and it would take me around 2 hours to go home, get it and go bac |
| 03:38.23 | Lezard | back |
| 03:38.42 | Lezard | so it looked like a good idea to carry it, but i was wrong |
| 03:38.43 | Lezard | xD |
| 03:39.17 | Ryan52 | heh |
| 03:39.33 | Lezard | well at least its the weekend |
| 03:39.47 | Lezard | i can stay in bed to rest and try to work with some stuff in my notebook |
| 03:41.06 | Lezard | Well I`ll guess i`ll do something productive |
| 03:41.22 | Lezard | at least my time wont be wasted |
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| 05:32.00 | dorileo | hi guys.... what`s the time line for documents return? |
| 05:32.15 | dorileo | I mean deadline |
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| 05:43.07 | hypa7ia | !timeline |
| 05:43.07 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 11:49.53 | absabs | !next |
| 11:49.53 | socinfo | "next" is Check to see if you're accepted by visiting organization home pages at http://tinyurl.com/orghome Accepted students will be added to the private student mailing list in the next few days and Google will ask for tax forms and proof of enrollment later. Meanwhile, start bonding with your community. |
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| 11:57.37 | ojwb | socinfo: learn next as Time to start bonding with your community: http://tinyurl.com/community-bonding |
| 11:57.37 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 11:57.42 | ojwb | socinfo: forget next 1 |
| 11:57.42 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 11:58.30 | ojwb | finds it hard to imagine any students haven't checked if they were accepted yet, and they should have had an email anyway... |
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| 13:23.19 | z4chh | would it be unwise in anyway to put your entire proposal on your socghop.appspot.com show student project page? ;p |
| 13:23.42 | z4chh | im just looking for a good place to put my proposal besides me website >.< |
| 13:24.09 | Mek | there is a good chance your own website is more reliable than appspot :P |
| 13:25.17 | z4chh | im not worried about reliability tbh...my website is not all that complete content/feature-wise so im not to proud of it yet |
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| 13:25.43 | ojwb | z4chh: other than personal info, I don't see any problems |
| 13:25.54 | ojwb | some projects ask accepted projects to be put on their wikis |
| 13:25.59 | ojwb | (we do) |
| 13:26.11 | ojwb | but you might not want to put your phone number, etc on there |
| 13:26.31 | z4chh | ahh yes..i don't have any address, phone number stuff |
| 13:26.45 | ojwb | ah, ok |
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| 13:35.19 | ajuonline | z4chh: put it on Google docs. and publish it? |
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| 13:35.44 | z4chh | ajuonline, i already put it on my student project page :P |
| 13:36.00 | z4chh | worked nicely..i just pasted from my private proposal page |
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| 14:12.58 | olegfink | dfdsfasfaaaasaf |
| 14:13.01 | olegfink | . |
| 14:13.12 | olegfink | sorry. |
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| 14:51.19 | LimmON_ | olegfink, Hi, you got a pm :) |
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| 15:11.50 | mat69 | hi how does the payment work -- I mean in what way is the money transfered? |
| 15:12.05 | ojwb | you get a "preloaded" credit card |
| 15:13.58 | mat69 | with a pin or something? |
| 15:14.15 | ojwb | I guess so |
| 15:15.02 | mat69 | hmm, that means the exchange rate depends on the organisation behind the credit cards? |
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| 15:17.48 | mat69 | btw. is here anyone from austria? |
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| 15:19.04 | cobolt | mat69: no, but from germany - same language ;) |
| 15:19.17 | mat69 | cobolt: well but not same taxes ;) |
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| 15:20.18 | cobolt | mat69: right, haven't read the log, sry |
| 15:21.00 | ojwb | most credit card companies give you a percent or two off the interbank rate |
| 15:23.28 | mat69 | cobolt: no reason to be sry^^ I did not specify that I wanted to talk about taxes, so rather my mistake |
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| 15:24.53 | mat69 | ojwb: one percent of the exchange rate? |
| 15:25.52 | jaguarandi | !timeline |
| 15:25.52 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 15:25.58 | ojwb | I think 1-2% is typical, but it's a while since I looked |
| 15:26.19 | ojwb | pretty much any way of changing money incurs a commission or rate spread |
| 15:26.50 | ojwb | credit cards are actually pretty good usually |
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| 15:27.20 | mat69 | ojwb: yes I know that you have to pay a commission, I'm just not used to credit cards (hardly anyone uses them here) :) |
| 15:28.50 | MatthewWilkes | mat69: Well, it's not really a "credit card", it's a prepaid card |
| 15:29.03 | ojwb | ah, that may explain some of the fun I've had trying to use them in Austria in the past then... |
| 15:29.30 | MatthewWilkes | mat69: It'll be processed like any VISA or mastercard, but it's backed by something more like a bank account |
| 15:30.02 | MatthewWilkes | Very much like the VISA debit in the UK, I think EC cards are the closest analogy in mainland europe |
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| 15:32.33 | ojwb | fwiw, the convertor at oanda.com suggests "Typical credit card rate: +2%" |
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| 15:36.00 | mat69 | ojwb: so you are from austria? |
| 15:36.26 | ojwb | mat69: no, but I've spent many summers there |
| 15:36.50 | mat69 | ojwb: ah, you were referin gto the "fun" using credit cards in austria? |
| 15:37.00 | ojwb | indeed |
| 15:37.50 | mat69 | well the businesses have to pay up to 3 % of the sales to the credit card companies so many do not bother to offer the option to pay with them |
| 15:38.13 | mat69 | additionally paying with the cash cards is more common here |
| 15:38.47 | MatthewWilkes | mat69: You could fly to america and withdraw the cash? :P |
| 15:39.12 | smtms | and pass through customs |
| 15:39.22 | mat69 | MatthewWilkes: that would be even worse as exchaning cash is more expensive :D |
| 15:39.51 | mat69 | or were you refering on the taxing issue? |
| 15:40.10 | MatthewWilkes | I'd be amazed if withdrawing cash is cheaper than exchanging it |
| 15:40.32 | MatthewWilkes | My banks match highstreet rates for withdrawals in foreign countries |
| 15:41.47 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: get yourself a nationwide account if you travel a lot |
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| 15:44.07 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: I have one, last time I asked they used the thomas cook rates, but that might have changed |
| 15:44.29 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: Although their adverts piss me off massively, they're just misleading |
| 15:45.37 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: The "tips" for money abroad is a outright lie. VISA charges a commission for use abroad which is part of their agreements with the local networks, Nationwide just pays that fee for you. It's not that they don't add fees that other banks do |
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| 15:48.14 | ojwb | my experience has been the rates are better that other options, and there's no additional commission, but this is getting rather OT... |
| 15:48.22 | LimmON_ | Hi all |
| 15:48.38 | LimmON_ | http://www.moneybookers.com what do you think? |
| 15:48.56 | LimmON_ | it work all over the world |
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| 15:51.19 | LimmON_ | is it possible to get money from google through this? |
| 15:51.40 | ojwb | no, they'll send you a prepay card |
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| 15:51.58 | LimmON_ | google send? |
| 15:52.04 | ojwb | yes |
| 15:52.08 | LimmON_ | oh... |
| 15:52.40 | mat69 | will be interesting if I can find a compatible system (hardware) to get the money |
| 15:53.17 | LimmON_ | is a prepay card same as check? |
| 15:53.36 | ojwb | no, it works much like a credit card |
| 15:53.46 | ojwb | except the amount you can spend is fixed |
| 15:55.27 | dsundar | and you can take money out of ATMs |
| 15:55.49 | skbohra | from any ATM you mean? |
| 15:55.56 | dsundar | yes |
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| 15:56.03 | LimmON_ | how the money transfer mentor organization? |
| 15:56.10 | dsundar | ones in the mastercard network |
| 15:56.32 | ojwb | the orgs are paid by electronic bank transfer |
| 15:56.48 | ojwb | I assume for the students it's simpler to use cards as there are 3 payments |
| 15:57.02 | ojwb | so they can just load more money on the same card |
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| 15:57.15 | ojwb | but I don't know for sure why they've chosen this approach |
| 15:58.28 | LimmON_ | Are students will sponsored at this year's guadec? |
| 15:58.44 | thiago | ask in a gnome channel |
| 15:58.57 | LimmON_ | ok |
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| 19:54.42 | socinfo | "next" is Time to start bonding with your community: http://tinyurl.com/community-bonding |
| 19:59.46 | r0bby | sighs |
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| 20:42.37 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 22:38.00 | z4chh | i got a younger friend of mine into open source by showing him my proposal, and gsoc info :p |
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| 22:38.18 | Catfish_Man | nice |
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| 22:42.08 | z4chh | and interested in linux/unix because i told him it is quite essential to being an open source programmer |
| 22:44.13 | ScottMac | z4chh: not really :) |
| 22:44.31 | ScottMac | Windows is fine for most projects, I'm actually sure a lot would appreciate more love for Windows |
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| 22:47.10 | thiago | Windows may be friendly to end users, but it's not as friendly as Linux for developers |
| 22:47.27 | thiago | I was working on Friday trying to get system calls right |
| 22:47.39 | thiago | I could just read the kernel source code and glibc to know I was doing it right |
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| 22:48.03 | thiago | strace and valgrind save a lot of time and headache |
| 22:48.37 | scorche | not to mention the compiler bits...sure one could use cygwin, but cygwin is sloooooooooow |
| 22:49.38 | lcuk | nice one z4chh :) |
| 22:49.47 | lcuk | i missed a lot |
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| 22:52.10 | p_l | scorche: don't use cygwin, use SUA |
| 22:53.48 | scorche | is that the new name of interix?...if so, it can be a bit of a pain to use certain compilers, and it still isnt near as fast as proper *nix |
| 22:54.15 | r0bby | oh adorable |
| 22:54.25 | r0bby | somebody used my email to sign up for something |
| 22:54.37 | scorche | welcome tot he interwebs |
| 22:55.26 | Corsix | If you want to complain about developer friendliness, go code some Nintendo DS homebrew |
| 22:55.59 | p_l | scorche: SUA is the the current version of Interix for NT6.x, comes with GCC. Afaik one can also use Windows SDK to compile stuff |
| 22:56.24 | p_l | scorche: the problem is to get updated versions of some software, because bundled ones (like ksh.exe) are _old_ |
| 22:56.42 | scorche | that isnt the only problem.. |
| 22:56.52 | thiago | Windows API is a mess |
| 22:56.58 | thiago | don't get me started on Winsock |
| 22:57.12 | antarus | gentoo prefix on interix ftw ;) |
| 22:57.13 | scorche | haha...winsock... |
| 22:57.45 | p_l | fun is when you meet apps that have incorrect paths compiled in... and you enable case-sensitivity systemwide :> |
| 22:58.43 | Corsix | fun is when you have 4mb of memory, and 100mhz of processors |
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| 22:59.22 | Corsix | and no floating point unit |
| 22:59.29 | skiquel | just squished a spider with my g1 |
| 22:59.39 | skiquel | hope it doesn't cost an SMS msg |
| 23:00.06 | p_l | Corsix: All four megabytes? Wow, that's big! :D |
| 23:00.14 | antarus | my dev g1 is sitting dead on my dresser |
| 23:00.16 | antarus | maybe I should charge it |
| 23:00.18 | p_l | recalls days of reading Atari 65xe manuals |
| 23:00.27 | antarus | Corsix: fun is programming microcontrollers ;p |
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| 23:01.21 | scorche | Corsix: erm...you know that Rockbox is nicely represented in GSoC, right? ;) |
| 23:01.36 | Corsix | :) |
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| 23:05.56 | p_l | I wonder how many people participating as students have used <100 MHz cpus :) |
| 23:06.42 | scorche | probably all of them considering the embedded realm... |
| 23:06.43 | antarus | p_l: their phone :) |
| 23:06.53 | scorche | antarus: i win =) |
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| 23:07.25 | antarus | we were racing? |
| 23:07.29 | antarus | actually as I think back to high school |
| 23:07.31 | antarus | screw their phone |
| 23:07.42 | antarus | how about their graphing calculator |
| 23:07.45 | p_l | heh. My current phone has faster CPU than my first PC :) |
| 23:07.53 | antarus | p_l: I'd hope so ;p |
| 23:07.59 | antarus | my first PC was a 286 ;p |
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| 23:08.17 | antarus | (with turbo that took it to a supposed 16mhz) |
| 23:08.32 | scorche | mmmmmm.....turbo buttons... |
| 23:08.37 | Catfish_Man | antarus: 8MHz m68k here :) |
| 23:08.47 | p_l | haha. I've used those. the first one that I owned personally was a 486, though |
| 23:09.09 | p_l | when Pentium 2 333MHz was the newest hw :) |
| 23:09.35 | antarus | well I take that back, I owned an apple IIc |
| 23:09.40 | antarus | but that was in like 1995 |
| 23:09.48 | antarus | and I bought it used from a rummage sale |
| 23:10.49 | antarus | ok I've been lazy all day |
| 23:10.51 | antarus | time to go running |
| 23:11.14 | p_l | hmmm... as for deals from 1995, I've got an Alpha built from parts that are dated between 1994 and 1996 :) |
| 23:12.23 | antarus | yeah but alphas didn't suck |
| 23:12.29 | antarus | ;p |
| 23:12.49 | p_l | hahaha |
| 23:13.10 | p_l | got it for 25EUR, but I'm lacking parts to install new soft |
| 23:13.23 | scorche | meh...i used to admin a few Tru64 machines... |
| 23:13.26 | scorche | feh |
| 23:13.35 | p_l | scorche: this one has VMS 6.1 :) |
| 23:14.29 | p_l | I've got VMS 8.3 install media, but it requires 128MB of ram to install... |
| 23:14.47 | p_l | my poor machine with her 32MB can't do that :/ |
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