| 00:00.17 | l0nwlf_ | well I'm not a mentor so my comment is kind of out-of-place , but lack of interest is quite a negative trait :( |
| 00:00.29 | Lezard | Agreed |
| 00:00.47 | Lezard | even if the student is "I don't really think he can pull this off" |
| 00:00.55 | Lezard | if he works hard |
| 00:00.59 | Lezard | he can surprize you |
| 00:01.26 | Lezard | much better than someone that could but simply disapears from the face of the earth |
| 00:01.29 | l0nwlf_ | carldani: give the others a chance , those who are willing ! |
| 00:01.32 | Lezard | but hey, that`s my opinio |
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| 00:01.35 | Lezard | opinion |
| 00:01.39 | thebolt | carldani: well, so maybe better give back one slot to the pool? |
| 00:01.56 | carldani | we already gave one slot back. |
| 00:02.12 | thebolt | if you don't have students that yout hink will do a good job, don't accept one just because you can |
| 00:02.14 | Lezard | carldani what org are you mentoring? |
| 00:03.36 | l0nwlf_ | http://www.hailfinger.org/hobbies.en.html |
| 00:03.55 | carldani | NARF: MY SHFT KEY S STUCK: SORRY; WILL TRY TO FIX |
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| 00:04.30 | l0nwlf_ | press caps-lock |
| 00:05.09 | carldani | NOT A CAPSLOCK PROBLEM: SHIFT IS STUCK MECHANICALLY |
| 00:05.15 | Lezard | yeah but |
| 00:05.20 | Lezard | if you press caps lock |
| 00:05.23 | disismt | :DDDDDDD |
| 00:05.43 | Lezard | then you would be stuck in caps lock + shift that would mean you would tipe in lower case |
| 00:05.52 | carldani | tricky: |
| 00:06.01 | l0nwlf_ | Lezard: thanks for making me clear :) |
| 00:06.18 | Lezard | l0nwlf_: thank you for thinking outside the box |
| 00:06.18 | Lezard | xD |
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| 00:06.57 | l0nwlf_ | :) |
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| 00:07.44 | ravenlock | how is it I assign a mentor to a project? I can't seem to find it. :/ |
| 00:08.21 | Lezard | I wish i could find more coins... |
| 00:08.23 | l0nwlf_ | ravenlock: had you tried contacting your mentor ? |
| 00:08.30 | Lezard | I`m scavenging them for cash to order some food |
| 00:08.32 | Lezard | lol |
| 00:08.51 | ravenlock | l0nwlf_: contact in what way? I speak to them all the time? |
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| 00:10.59 | l0nwlf_ | ravenlock: well then , they must have told you |
| 00:11.22 | disismt | l0nwlf_, not necessarily. They are not requried to |
| 00:11.33 | l0nwlf_ | ravenlock: Atleast my mentor told me the same , there is some link : 'i want to mentor this student' ...something like that |
| 00:11.34 | disismt | *required |
| 00:11.41 | ravenlock | l0nwlf_: I'm not sure you understand my question. I'm the Org admin, and I am attempting to assign a prospective mentor to their students proposal |
| 00:11.48 | disismt | ohho |
| 00:11.52 | l0nwlf_ | ravenlock: shitttttttt |
| 00:11.56 | ravenlock | ;) |
| 00:11.57 | disismt | hehe |
| 00:11.58 | l0nwlf_ | ravenlock: sorry |
| 00:12.36 | ravenlock | np. I just can't seem to find the right button. :/ |
| 00:13.05 | disismt | ravenlock, you don't have much time left :( 17 hours or so :( |
| 00:13.40 | ravenlock | yeah. my mentors have volunteered. but I assumed I had to actually assign one to each proposal. |
| 00:13.54 | l0nwlf_ | disismt: 17 hour sure is very litle amount of time ;) |
| 00:14.34 | ravenlock | I didn't think it was 17 hours though. much less I thought. |
| 00:14.34 | disismt | l0nwlf_, well yes, most of us go either to college or to office :? |
| 00:15.11 | disismt | ravenlock, don't go by my word :) |
| 00:15.13 | l0nwlf_ | disismt: ok |
| 00:19.21 | anothy_x | ravenlock: change the pull-down menu above the comment box to be an admin comment and you'll see a space below the comment box where you can type in the mentor's linkid. |
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| 00:19.42 | ravenlock | ooOOooh. kk. I'll check. thx |
| 00:19.51 | anothy_x | and i think we're supposed to say ask in #melange. ;-) |
| 00:20.15 | ravenlock | :) k will do in future. thanks |
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| 00:25.09 | BarryCarlyon | Blarg. |
| 00:25.15 | BarryCarlyon | puts the kettle on for tea |
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| 00:28.12 | disismt | Blarg = good morning? |
| 00:28.18 | Lezard | blerg |
| 00:28.19 | Lezard | o/ |
| 00:28.20 | Lezard | uaehaeuhaeuaeh |
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| 00:29.09 | disismt | o_O |
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| 00:32.09 | Lezard | lol |
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| 00:35.04 | Lezard | I`m bored... |
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| 00:43.53 | flyankur | AlexUA: though i have talked to my mentor, How do i know, that a mentor has been officially assigned to me |
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| 00:52.49 | anothy_x | flyankur: i don't believe student's have a way of "making sure". mentors and admins do; ask them. |
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| 01:12.27 | kblin | dberkholz: ping |
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| 01:19.02 | anothy_x | kblin: i'm told he's traveling. |
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| 01:19.56 | anothy_x | if you're after duplicate resolution, i went to #gentoo-soc (i think?) and there was another admin who was helpful. |
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| 01:21.16 | kblin | anothy_x: ah, fair enough |
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| 01:31.31 | tac_ | !next |
| 01:31.31 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 01:33.15 | skbohra | and guess |
| 01:33.17 | skbohra | !guess |
| 01:33.18 | socinfo | "guess" is Theres no point guessing anything. Results will be out when they are out. But sure, guessing is fun! :D |
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| 01:37.03 | tac_ | ok skbohra :) |
| 01:37.11 | skbohra | :) |
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| 02:13.23 | Jibesh_ | !guess |
| 02:13.24 | socinfo | "guess" is Theres no point guessing anything. Results will be out when they are out. But sure, guessing is fun! :D |
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| 02:16.08 | ipwa | a student applying for the program just told me he can;t modify his proposal it says inactive |
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| 02:16.49 | summatusmentis | ipwa: true |
| 02:17.04 | ipwa | student;s can modify their proposals anymore rightà |
| 02:17.16 | ipwa | sorry got a spanish keyboard here |
| 02:17.30 | summatusmentis | student's are not allowed to modify their proposals anymore |
| 02:17.51 | ipwa | summatusmentis: thanks |
| 02:17.58 | summatusmentis | ipwa: sure thing |
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| 02:31.34 | antarus | kblin: ping |
| 02:31.42 | antarus | kblin: you can talk to me re:dup |
| 02:31.48 | antarus | kblin: or I'll be at the meeting tomorrow |
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| 04:11.25 | bitner | are all admins expected at the meeting tommorrow or just those with duplicates still hanging? |
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| 04:18.49 | mdc_mobile | bitner: per lh email regarding meeting 15 April 2009 18:00 UTC "Whomever from your organization can "speak" for your organization regarding whether or not you are willing to give up a student to another organization. Many folks attend just to observe. |
| 04:18.59 | mdc_mobile | " |
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| 05:05.31 | bradh | lh: any chance you can re-run the duplicateaccepts test, and tell me if openchange features on that list? |
| 05:05.43 | bradh | I was a bit slack in coercing my mentors :-( |
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| 05:15.43 | udit | !logs |
| 05:15.43 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 05:16.44 | skbohra | !timeline :) |
| 05:16.45 | socinfo | Error: "timeline" is not a valid command. |
| 05:16.46 | bijolianabhi | hi |
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| 05:16.57 | skbohra | !timeline |
| 05:16.57 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 05:17.02 | skbohra | ^^ |
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| 05:17.10 | alanp | haha |
| 05:17.13 | alanp | !timeline |
| 05:17.14 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 05:17.16 | alanp | !timeline . |
| 05:17.17 | socinfo | Error: "timeline" is not a valid command. |
| 05:17.23 | skbohra | strange |
| 05:17.26 | nsquare | :S |
| 05:17.30 | skbohra | :D |
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| 05:17.47 | nsquare | !haha |
| 05:17.48 | udit | try again |
| 05:17.48 | socinfo | "haha" is meant for slashdot, not for gsoc. Repeated attempts at derailing a conversation will not result in a +5 funny, but a +q silenced. |
| 05:17.48 | skbohra | socinfo: what's your problem |
| 05:17.49 | socinfo | Error: "what's" is not a valid command. |
| 05:17.58 | nsquare | :P |
| 05:18.18 | antarus | wonders if the bot will actually silence him or just call one of the chanops |
| 05:18.20 | disismt | !slashdot |
| 05:18.20 | socinfo | Error: "slashdot" is not a valid command. |
| 05:18.40 | skbohra | silences himself |
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| 05:20.20 | skbohra | anatarus: we are just little restless, no such intentions of harassing socinfo |
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| 05:20.34 | fuzzybyte | !next |
| 05:20.35 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 05:21.39 | skbohra | you can also guess |
| 05:21.43 | skbohra | !guess |
| 05:21.43 | socinfo | "guess" is Theres no point guessing anything. Results will be out when they are out. But sure, guessing is fun! :D |
| 05:22.06 | skbohra | bijolianabhi: wssup |
| 05:22.23 | fuzzybyte | i guess that my applications get rejected |
| 05:22.33 | Abhinav1 | waiting for results |
| 05:22.37 | Abhinav1 | skbohra |
| 05:22.49 | skbohra | Abhinav1: ^^ |
| 05:23.10 | skbohra | Abhinav1: which org? |
| 05:23.17 | fuzzybyte | orgs haven't commented my stuff at all. that can't be a good sign |
| 05:23.22 | bijolianabhi | me also waiting for results |
| 05:23.24 | fuzzybyte | ;_; |
| 05:23.32 | skbohra | fuzzybyte: same here :( |
| 05:23.55 | Abhinav1 | skbohra: my org is Xiph.org |
| 05:24.06 | skbohra | fuzzybyte: quick tip: lets start writing app for gsco 2010 |
| 05:24.17 | skbohra | Abhianv1: oh sounds great |
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| 05:24.23 | ameyp | fuzzybyte: it's ok, there are chaps who got selected without a single comment on their proposals |
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| 05:24.45 | skbohra | ameyp: it sounds like a great hope to us |
| 05:25.07 | fuzzybyte | skbohra: yeah, let's do that. third time's a go for me for sure |
| 05:25.18 | ameyp | yeah |
| 05:25.18 | ameyp | some comments would've been nice though :P |
| 05:25.20 | skbohra | fuzzybyte: for me as well |
| 05:25.23 | Abhinav1 | skbohra: then their are a little hope for me :( |
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| 05:26.20 | skbohra | Abhianv1: you got comments? |
| 05:26.43 | shirish | skbohra, didn't you |
| 05:26.53 | skbohra | shirish: nopes |
| 05:26.57 | Abhinav1 | skbohra:yah I got two comments.. |
| 05:27.07 | shirish | which org skbohra |
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| 05:27.37 | skbohra | shirish: /sahana and /sunlight |
| 05:27.54 | skbohra | Abhinav1: that's great |
| 05:28.01 | shirish | yeah yeah you have said.. it i forgot |
| 05:28.04 | shirish | :) |
| 05:28.09 | skbohra | Abhianv1: hopefully they are positive |
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| 05:28.24 | shirish | Abhinav1, which org |
| 05:28.48 | Abhinav1 | skbohra: one of them is hopeful ... |
| 05:29.05 | skbohra | Abhinav1: 1 of them means? |
| 05:29.05 | Abhinav1 | shirish: mt org is Xiph.org |
| 05:29.17 | shirish | oh! cool |
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| 05:29.48 | skbohra | xiph.org: cool ogg stuff |
| 05:30.13 | Abhinav1 | skbohra: one of menas one of them looks like them are thinking for me but the other one saying some mistakes of mine |
| 05:30.31 | skbohra | Abhinav1: best of luck then |
| 05:30.57 | Abhinav1 | skbohra:thanks :) |
| 05:31.13 | skbohra | No comments = 50% chances, bad comments: 20% :P |
| 05:31.42 | fuzzybyte | more like, no comments = 10%, bad comments: 1% |
| 05:31.55 | Abhinav1 | skbohra: I know that.. but I am not leaving hope still |
| 05:32.16 | disismt | no comments = either0% or 100 %] |
| 05:32.23 | skbohra | fuzzybyte: I was talking about 50% chances down :) |
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| 05:32.30 | disismt | :P |
| 05:32.33 | skbohra | disismt: :D |
| 05:32.33 | shirish | Zero Dependency lolz |
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| 05:33.48 | skbohra | may be something wrong with melange in my case as its still under testing you know :P |
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| 05:34.47 | bugfux | lh: hey sorry, i just fixed my birthday |
| 05:34.53 | bugfux | lh: names Ian Ownbey |
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| 05:39.04 | swark | when will the result come out? |
| 05:39.07 | r0bby | bugfux: she's in NY |
| 05:39.09 | r0bby | April 20 |
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| 05:39.22 | r0bby | swark: this is all in teh FAQ which you should read!!! |
| 05:39.22 | shirish | april 20 th 1900 hrs UTC |
| 05:39.32 | shirish | swark, april 20 th 1900 hrs UTC |
| 05:39.34 | bugfux | hmm okay |
| 05:39.41 | r0bby | 300pm EDT, 1200pm PDT |
| 05:39.45 | shirish | depends on your location too :D |
| 05:39.48 | r0bby | adjust accordingly |
| 05:39.58 | r0bby | -400UTC |
| 05:40.02 | r0bby | for Eastern. |
| 05:40.08 | shirish | agrees with r0bby |
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| 05:40.21 | r0bby | but seriously, you're gonna do this you need research skills |
| 05:40.44 | shirish | swark, where are you from ? |
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| 05:57.27 | swark | I am from china |
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| 05:57.41 | patri | !next |
| 05:57.42 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 05:57.44 | patri | !logs |
| 05:57.45 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 05:58.52 | swark | I know that will be annouced officially on 20 April. |
| 05:59.35 | rajan | will mentor matching thing take place on IRC ? students need to be present ?? |
| 06:00.09 | scorche|sh | what mentor matching thing? |
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| 06:01.37 | rajan | this > All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor - 07:00 UTC |
| 06:02.02 | scorche|sh | that is up to the org to do that how they wish |
| 06:02.03 | ameyp | nope, that's the org's job |
| 06:02.08 | scorche|sh | and should have alreayd happened ;) |
| 06:02.22 | ameyp | students don't have to worry about it |
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| 06:03.10 | rajan | ok,thanks ! :) I was about to leave my lectures for it ;) |
| 06:03.25 | ameyp | ;) |
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| 06:05.45 | mib_cyalooey | !logs |
| 06:05.45 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 06:09.33 | shirish | Great.... |
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| 06:12.36 | lusxy | hi what program should i use for linux to get my xbox 360 controller to use it for mouse icon movements?(i added a rechargeable wire with usb) |
| 06:13.42 | Landon | summatusmentis: YOU DIDNT HAVE COLORS IN VIM? |
| 06:13.46 | Landon | how do you live :OOO |
| 06:13.47 | literal | lusxy: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+xbox+360+driver |
| 06:14.05 | summatusmentis | Landon: it wasn't default, and I just got used to dealing with it |
| 06:14.08 | summatusmentis | I used to have them |
| 06:14.13 | summatusmentis | when I was running linux |
| 06:14.19 | summatusmentis | all is better now |
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| 06:15.26 | summatusmentis | actually Landon there are probably a couple of different things like that |
| 06:15.50 | summatusmentis | where I used to have them in linux, but they haven't been pressing enough for me to fix in OS X yet |
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| 06:17.51 | Landon | summatusmentis: I pimped my vim :P |
| 06:18.02 | Landon | ah |
| 06:18.04 | summatusmentis | I used to have my vim pimped |
| 06:18.04 | Landon | sadness |
| 06:18.12 | Landon | can't just copy over your vimrrc? :P |
| 06:18.56 | summatusmentis | I probably could've, I didn't though |
| 06:19.20 | summatusmentis | meh, code is easier to read, mostly what I care about at this point |
| 06:19.54 | summatusmentis | alright, bed for me |
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| 06:22.50 | Landon | adios |
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| 06:37.33 | disismt | wtf .... ! |
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| 06:42.06 | bradh | lusxy: sounds like you should rm install-xbox360-driver.sh.... |
| 06:42.26 | lusxy | ok i isalled it |
| 06:42.27 | lusxy | is it possible to use xbox 360 controller with usb for mouse in linux? if so how? |
| 06:42.39 | lut4rp | lusxy, you're asking in the wrong channel :) |
| 06:42.51 | lut4rp | lusxy, move to #linux, or #linuxhelp |
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| 06:53.40 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 08:32.21 | aghisla | !faq |
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| 09:25.27 | Nightrose | can someone update the google calendar for gsoc with the correct time for the meeting? it is still saying tbd |
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| 09:27.02 | kblin | dammit |
| 09:27.31 | kblin | grumbles about students not reading email the days before the conflict resolution meeting |
| 09:27.58 | saiyr | email is so 1990s |
| 09:28.22 | rajan | Nightrose: for dublicate students thing ? |
| 09:28.55 | Nightrose | rajan: jep |
| 09:29.34 | kblin | saiyr: well, if the student doesn't care where he'll end up, I'll just go toss a coin with the admin from the other org |
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| 09:29.56 | rajan | Nightrose: it says 18:00 UTC |
| 09:30.01 | saiyr | kblin: if that happens i would like to participate in this momentous event |
| 09:30.29 | Nightrose | rajan: in google calendar? strange |
| 09:30.54 | rajan | Nightrose: check #gsoc-resolve |
| 09:30.58 | rajan | it says > Duplicate Resolution Meeting held here on Wednesday, starting at 18:00 UTC |
| 09:31.07 | Nightrose | yea i know when it is ;-) |
| 09:31.14 | Nightrose | just saying the calendar isn't up to date |
| 09:31.24 | rajan | oh ! |
| 09:31.26 | rajan | ;) |
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| 09:31.58 | rajan | I am really eager to see,how things happen |
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| 09:37.47 | kblin | crap |
| 09:37.50 | kblin | !bugs |
| 09:37.51 | socinfo | "bugs" is Melange bugs are tracked at http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list |
| 09:38.25 | shirish | !date |
| 09:38.26 | socinfo | Error: "date" is not a valid command. |
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| 09:39.32 | Upthorn | !time |
| 09:39.32 | socinfo | "time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
| 09:39.56 | aghisla | lol |
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| 09:43.20 | gokhru | hello everyone |
| 09:43.24 | straydawg | lo |
| 09:43.32 | gokhru | I have a doubt |
| 09:43.51 | lfranchi | is there a way for me to svn up all my -live ebuilds? |
| 09:43.58 | lfranchi | hm, wrong chan |
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| 09:45.05 | gokhru | if I don't get a mail from any organization today and irc meeting call for resolving duplicates, then does that mean that I have not been selected by any organization ? |
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| 09:45.36 | aghisla | gokhru: it can also mean that only one has accepted you |
| 09:45.43 | gokhru | ok |
| 09:46.06 | gokhru | so there is hope till the last day then ? |
| 09:46.33 | disismt | heh |
| 09:47.14 | gokhru | aghisla: thank you |
| 09:47.16 | gokhru | bbye |
| 09:47.42 | aghisla | :) |
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| 09:55.40 | MaNI | duplicates should be a minority |
| 09:55.45 | MaNI | they also sometimes get resolved by the organizations involved without them speaking to you about it at all (I think) |
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| 09:56.25 | saiyr | a minority that holds us up for 5 more days ;P |
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| 09:58.39 | Ivanovic | saiyr: that is the problem with some of the really good students |
| 09:58.46 | Ivanovic | they submit proposals to more than one org |
| 09:58.56 | Ivanovic | if they only submitted to one org, there would be no problems... |
| 09:58.57 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 09:59.18 | saiyr | friggin really good students...:b |
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| 10:04.06 | kblin | yeah |
| 10:04.31 | kblin | I only submitted two proposals once |
| 10:05.08 | kblin | because the org I initially wanted to apply for was gone from the org list on the day I wanted to send the application |
| 10:05.30 | aghisla | -_- |
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| 10:06.01 | saiyr | i submitted two as well, but i am not a really good student so no problems here |
| 10:06.03 | kblin | so I applied for another project, and then a day later my first pick was bacl on the list |
| 10:06.27 | kblin | so I decided to at least write the app I put all my previous preparation into |
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| 10:07.43 | kblin | in the end I decided to go for the alternative proposal, though |
| 10:07.55 | kblin | still happy I did |
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| 10:13.38 | qiaoqian | hello, is anyone there |
| 10:13.57 | lloyd | lots |
| 10:14.26 | mib_india | wat time is the meeting? |
| 10:14.49 | scorche|sh | points at the topic |
| 10:15.22 | qiaoqian | Nice |
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| 10:17.20 | devvrat | mib_india: according to IST it is around 21:00 today |
| 10:17.49 | Upthorn | I had intended to put in two or three applications this year, but then one of the orgs I was looking at had an "idea" suggestion that caught my eye to a much greater extent than any of the other orgs I had looked at |
| 10:18.07 | Upthorn | so I applied for that and only that |
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| 10:18.42 | qiaoqian | I've been applied to the Minix, anyone same with me? |
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| 10:20.12 | l0nwlf_ | Upthorn: same was the case with me |
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| 10:21.24 | devvrat | #gsoc-resolve population increasing time by time |
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| 10:21.32 | qiaoqian | aha,I am hacking Linux kernel, Kown little about the Minix,but used it |
| 10:21.38 | mib_india | thanx |
| 10:21.44 | FangWang | I applied minix too, which project? |
| 10:22.06 | devvrat | it will be fun to see the meeting |
| 10:22.06 | aghisla | jumps into #gsoc-resolve |
| 10:22.08 | qiaoqian | WangFang |
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| 10:22.20 | FangWang | About what ? Mine is about /proc file system |
| 10:22.22 | FangWang | Yes |
| 10:23.03 | lut4rp | someone is asking me if GSoC is an internship program. |
| 10:23.11 | lut4rp | what do i tell him? :/ |
| 10:23.20 | danderson | it is not |
| 10:23.20 | devvrat | !faq |
| 10:23.20 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 10:23.29 | devvrat | lut4rp: ^^ |
| 10:23.33 | danderson | you are considered a contractor working for google during SoC |
| 10:23.39 | lut4rp | devvrat, err, i know the FAQ :) |
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| 10:23.45 | qiaoqian | Since I applied,I 've been hacking the linux kernel,I am not sure with the resoult |
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| 10:24.00 | lut4rp | danderson, err, 'contractor' ? |
| 10:24.02 | devvrat | ah should have guessed that |
| 10:24.15 | qiaoqian | WangFang,Where you from? |
| 10:24.21 | lut4rp | so what does someone say he/she did if they successfully complete the program? |
| 10:24.28 | FangWang | China |
| 10:24.41 | danderson | lut4rp: "participated in the Summer of Code" |
| 10:24.46 | devvrat | completed the contract :P |
| 10:24.53 | lut4rp | i've seen people write Student Developer at Google for <org> |
| 10:24.55 | qiaoqian | I am studying in Beijing now |
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| 10:25.21 | lut4rp | danderson, sounds logical :) |
| 10:25.25 | Ivanovic | lut4rp: *wrong* |
| 10:25.32 | Ivanovic | you are not developer *at* google |
| 10:25.40 | lut4rp | for, maybe? |
| 10:25.56 | devvrat | possibly then a developer for the mentoring org |
| 10:25.57 | Ivanovic | you participated in a program hosted by google, but never worked at/for google |
| 10:26.06 | lut4rp | aye. |
| 10:26.07 | Ivanovic | your worked for the org |
| 10:26.20 | haoyu | qiaoqian, there's #gsoc-cn for chinese :) |
| 10:26.21 | ajuonline | Ivanovic: thats not wrong. |
| 10:26.25 | Ivanovic | and google only did the funding of that |
| 10:26.32 | qiaoqian | China,and now studying in Beijing |
| 10:26.47 | qiaoqian | My hometown is Henan |
| 10:27.06 | kblin | ajuonline: Student Developer at Google misrepresents the situation |
| 10:27.11 | ajuonline | Ivanovic: Student Developer, Google Inc. - Google Summer of Code program, May 2008 - August 2008 mentored by Fran Boon for Sahana Disaster Management System |
| 10:27.21 | ajuonline | kblin: this is something that was discussed, in the mailing list |
| 10:27.35 | kblin | url? |
| 10:27.39 | ajuonline | and l-h or someone pointed this out. |
| 10:27.42 | kblin | ajuonline: which mailing list anyway? |
| 10:27.44 | ajuonline | i have that written since then |
| 10:27.49 | ajuonline | kblin: private students |
| 10:27.55 | ajuonline | kblin: i know your there :P |
| 10:28.00 | lut4rp | this should be confirmed. |
| 10:28.03 | kblin | hm, ok, I don't really read that much |
| 10:28.06 | ajuonline | look up for "Student Developer" |
| 10:28.08 | qiaoqian | :-( |
| 10:28.27 | Ivanovic | from what i heard this far from the "google officials" on the mentor and "public" soc list is that students should not list in their CV that they worked for google |
| 10:28.40 | saiyr | sounds misleading, yeah |
| 10:28.48 | Ivanovic | but that they worked in summer of code, hosted/sponsored by google is fine |
| 10:28.49 | saiyr | especially if google doesn't even look at applications |
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| 10:28.56 | Ivanovic | saiyr: exactly |
| 10:29.25 | qiaoqian | Nice to meet you here,I am new,May you help me? :-0 |
| 10:29.27 | lut4rp | Hmm, but isn't the student 'employed' by Google? |
| 10:29.39 | lut4rp | they're being paid by Google after all. |
| 10:29.40 | omniter | qiaoqian, you're new? as in you haven't registered yet? |
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| 10:29.45 | anddam | hello |
| 10:29.48 | kblin | ajuonline: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-students-list/browse_thread/thread/1c3a96f0d898ed8a/1fff54a85789138d?lnk=gst&q=student+developer#1fff54a85789138d |
| 10:29.52 | kblin | you're wrong |
| 10:30.16 | Ivanovic | lut4rp: google does pay for the slot, but the *org* handles everything |
| 10:30.26 | ajuonline | kblin: thats what LH says as well in that thread |
| 10:30.27 | lut4rp | Ivanovic, kinda confusing :) |
| 10:30.32 | Ivanovic | that is: the org decides who is taken, the org decides if the "contract is fullfilled", ... |
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| 10:30.43 | ajuonline | officially, its an "on-contract" job. |
| 10:30.45 | kblin | to quote "Student Developer, Google Summer of Code <year>" "Worked with <open source project name> to do <project details>" |
| 10:30.54 | ajuonline | kblin: yeah that. |
| 10:30.59 | ajuonline | oh ok :D |
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| 10:31.02 | kblin | ajuonline: no, she does _not_ say "Google Inc" |
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| 10:31.29 | kblin | ajuonline: "Sudent Developer, Google Summer of Code" sounds fine |
| 10:31.29 | saiyr | i would be quite surprised if they endorsed that kind of thing :x |
| 10:31.32 | ajuonline | kblin: agreed :D |
| 10:31.46 | carldani | is anyone with higher-level melange access here? |
| 10:31.54 | lut4rp | hmm, the Google internship program is different anyway |
| 10:31.57 | ajuonline | carldani: maybe US time. you can look in #melange |
| 10:31.59 | Ivanovic | carldani: ask in #melange |
| 10:32.01 | aghisla | lunchtime |
| 10:32.19 | lut4rp | this should be added in the FAQ, "What to list in your resume/CV after finishing GSoC" |
| 10:32.29 | kblin | lut4rp: it's not an employment contract |
| 10:32.30 | devvrat | :D |
| 10:32.40 | lut4rp | kblin, hmm, i get that. |
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| 10:33.19 | toad_ | if we had any conflicts, they would show up by now, right? unless the other orgs hadn't assigned mentors yet? |
| 10:33.40 | kblin | toad_: yeah, or be in the lists lh keeps sending |
| 10:33.41 | Ivanovic | toad_: conflicts are only posted on the mentor ml |
| 10:34.01 | kblin | Ivanovic: and the org admins |
| 10:34.11 | Ivanovic | that is: the orgs admins will have a (private) mail about every student with a conflict |
| 10:34.18 | Ivanovic | kblin: admins are on the mentor ml, too |
| 10:34.20 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 10:34.35 | kblin | they are? |
| 10:34.38 | Ivanovic | in this (private) mail the admins are told the contact details about the other orgs |
| 10:34.39 | kblin | damn ;) |
| 10:34.44 | Ivanovic | kblin: sure they are, i am there... |
| 10:34.56 | ajuonline | Ivanovic: which org? |
| 10:34.59 | Ivanovic | wesnoth |
| 10:35.03 | kblin | Ivanovic: and you never mentored? |
| 10:35.04 | toad_ | hmmm so they're not on the web interface this year? |
| 10:35.20 | Ivanovic | kblin: nah, i just do the stuff behind the curtain |
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| 10:35.37 | kblin | toad_: nope. did you read emails on the mentor list the last few days? |
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| 10:35.42 | Ivanovic | toad_: from the mail it somehow sounded like the webinterface is not able yet to display this stuff |
| 10:36.05 | bcarlyon|laptop | Tea time |
| 10:36.06 | kblin | toad_: then the conflict detection was written, GAE couldn't run cron jobs |
| 10:36.12 | AlekSi | !tea |
| 10:36.12 | socinfo | "tea" is (#1) always a valid option, or (#2) It's always tea time, have a cup on the house! |
| 10:36.24 | lut4rp | Ivanovic, offtopic here, but Wesnoth is my <3 :D |
| 10:36.28 | Ivanovic | :) |
| 10:36.41 | devvrat | socinfo is really knowledgeable |
| 10:36.41 | socinfo | Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
| 10:36.49 | devvrat | oops |
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| 10:36.50 | lut4rp | lol |
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| 10:37.05 | kblin | ah, dunno, round based strategy games never were my cup of tea |
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| 10:37.25 | ajuonline | If wesnoth is <3 what about drupal? |
| 10:37.34 | ojwb | returns from a long weekend away to find much excitement has happened |
| 10:37.42 | ajuonline | heyo ojwb |
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| 10:37.52 | ojwb | mostly good it seems |
| 10:37.53 | kblin | ajuonline: weird php stuff? :) |
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| 10:38.01 | ajuonline | kblin: +++ |
| 10:38.08 | AlekSi | ++ |
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| 10:38.44 | devilsadvocate | i like round based strategy games |
| 10:38.52 | devilsadvocate | lets you multitask :P |
| 10:39.00 | toad_ | :) |
| 10:39.11 | lut4rp | hah. |
| 10:39.25 | lut4rp | ajuonline, Drupal is the PHP's saving grace |
| 10:39.27 | devilsadvocate | there is no demand for immediate response |
| 10:39.49 | ajuonline | lut4rp: and u are an a$$? |
| 10:39.55 | ajuonline | :P |
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| 10:40.11 | devilsadvocate | lut4rp, i didnt know you were that rich |
| 10:40.15 | ScottMac | lut4rp, are you saying Drupal is the only reason PHP is about? |
| 10:40.18 | lut4rp | devilsadvocate, neither did I. |
| 10:40.23 | lut4rp | ScottMac, er, no. |
| 10:40.30 | devilsadvocate | lut4rp, whens the treat? :P |
| 10:40.36 | ScottMac | just when you said it was the saving grace :) |
| 10:40.44 | lut4rp | ScottMac, but its one *big* reason where PHP get a plus point |
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| 10:40.45 | BarryCarlyon | Rofl. |
| 10:40.52 | BarryCarlyon | PHP for ever! |
| 10:41.06 | lut4rp | otherwise, PHP isn't getting much love these days :( |
| 10:41.08 | kblin | BarryCarlyon: there's an awful lot of horrid PHP code out there |
| 10:41.21 | ScottMac | lut4rp, it certainly is :P |
| 10:41.24 | BarryCarlyon | kblin, indeed, but you can say the same for any language. |
| 10:41.27 | ScottMac | at least the language is |
| 10:41.32 | BarryCarlyon | It depends how you learn it. |
| 10:41.37 | ScottMac | goes to massage it some more |
| 10:41.45 | BarryCarlyon | Self taught people tend to be the worst, I know I am self taught. |
| 10:41.51 | lut4rp | err, no. |
| 10:41.54 | BarryCarlyon | So much legacy code kicking about. |
| 10:42.06 | devvrat | BarryCarlyon: not really |
| 10:42.14 | kblin | BarryCarlyon: well, arguably it's because webdesigners keep thinking they can program if they use PHP |
| 10:42.15 | lut4rp | I've seen less of bad python code, than php code. |
| 10:42.17 | BarryCarlyon | I mean I have a lot of legacy code. |
| 10:42.38 | ajuonline | bows to *the* BarryCarlyon |
| 10:42.43 | BarryCarlyon | lut4rp, perhaps php is easier for people to pick up hence there is more questionable code. |
| 10:42.43 | devilsadvocate | has to agree with BarryCarlyon |
| 10:42.48 | BarryCarlyon | bows back to ajuonline |
| 10:42.56 | lut4rp | BarryCarlyon, that's one huge reason |
| 10:43.01 | BarryCarlyon | True kblin. |
| 10:43.02 | lut4rp | its too easy to learn and hack |
| 10:43.08 | kblin | BarryCarlyon: but a heck of a lot advice on writing PHP code never heard of the model/view/controller pattern either |
| 10:43.09 | Lezard | true |
| 10:43.18 | ScottMac | low barrier to entry is a plus |
| 10:43.21 | ajuonline | BarryCarlyon: whats up with carrying two laptops to the uni? |
| 10:43.35 | BarryCarlyon | kblin, I've never heard of that patten. |
| 10:43.36 | sanooj | is glad there are people having fun and doing stuff with php. |
| 10:43.40 | toad_ | so if our students aren't in lh's conflict lists, there's a good chance none of them are conflicted? |
| 10:43.41 | BarryCarlyon | ajuonline, my eee and my vista laptop. |
| 10:43.46 | BarryCarlyon | The eee is also a lighting desk. |
| 10:43.59 | toad_ | have orgs generally assigned mentors by now? |
| 10:44.03 | kblin | BarryCarlyon: so you end up with lots of PHP code that's a horrid, awful mess of program logic mixed with layout html |
| 10:44.11 | BarryCarlyon | kblin, ah indeed. |
| 10:44.12 | lut4rp | aye, you do |
| 10:44.13 | ajuonline | BarryCarlyon: you use it as a lighting desk? :P i am gonna buy one, soon though. which brand you recommend? |
| 10:44.15 | kblin | toad_: yes, on both |
| 10:44.22 | BarryCarlyon | I used to code that way kblin, then I went oop last year. |
| 10:44.23 | devilsadvocate | BarryCarlyon, its probably because php has such a low entry barrier that self taught php programmers produce questionable code - noone ever explained to them coding style |
| 10:44.24 | lut4rp | kblin, which is why Drupal ain't using no MVC :D |
| 10:44.31 | devilsadvocate | lut4rp, no offense :P |
| 10:44.40 | toad_ | hmmm then i need to do some juggling or drop a slot, cos there's no way i'm taking 3 students! |
| 10:44.47 | BarryCarlyon | ajuonline, the eee uses Chamsys free download software, but I dont have the usb/DMX dongle yet. |
| 10:44.48 | lut4rp | devilsadvocate, of course, i've written horrid code myself :P |
| 10:44.49 | sanooj | I think the low barrier of entry of php makes programming more accessible than almost anything else. |
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| 10:45.03 | BarryCarlyon | devilsadvocate, agreed. |
| 10:45.07 | kblin | lut4rp: I've never looked at drupal code |
| 10:45.16 | BarryCarlyon | I started on perl so things are different for me. |
| 10:45.28 | ScottMac | perl here too |
| 10:45.34 | devilsadvocate | python has a low entry barrier too, but some amount of coding style is built into the syntax, so the code tends to be cleaner |
| 10:45.48 | BarryCarlyon | My first php hack was stuff for phpBB, and I've just gone thru from there, I'm working on my own CMS written in PHP, based on the work I did last year for GSoC. |
| 10:46.00 | ScottMac | in the order I learnt it, perl, php, c, java, ada95, python |
| 10:46.02 | ajuonline | CarlyonCMS++ |
| 10:46.04 | ScottMac | never touched rubby |
| 10:46.04 | kblin | devilsadvocate: my problem with most php webapps is the architecture, not the layout |
| 10:46.09 | ScottMac | s/bb/b/ |
| 10:46.14 | devvrat | devilsadvocate: +1 |
| 10:46.17 | BarryCarlyon | I enjoy the html/php mashup but now adays I tend to keep em separte. |
| 10:46.20 | BarryCarlyon | ty ajuonline. |
| 10:46.30 | BarryCarlyon | kblin++ |
| 10:46.40 | devilsadvocate | kblin, one could argue that coding style includes not just layout, but architecture too |
| 10:46.44 | BarryCarlyon | I've started on ruby |
| 10:46.45 | dqminh | BarryCarlyon, how can you enjoy the html/php mashup :) |
| 10:46.50 | lut4rp | kblin, oh you should if you think of any CMS someday :) |
| 10:46.54 | devilsadvocate | given a suitably flexible language |
| 10:46.54 | BarryCarlyon | Learning I mean. |
| 10:47.08 | BarryCarlyon | dqminh, its a matter or making soem html, then fsck need so php here, done. |
| 10:47.14 | BarryCarlyon | But that was a year ago. |
| 10:47.20 | kblin | devilsadvocate: but python doesn't enforce a good architecture |
| 10:47.25 | sanooj | don't get me wrong.. php is a vile language. but that doesn't mean it's overall effect of getting people to program at all is in the red. :) |
| 10:47.29 | BarryCarlyon | And current freelance hack project. |
| 10:47.35 | BarryCarlyon | sanooj, harsh. |
| 10:47.39 | devilsadvocate | kblin, no it doesnt. the syntax rules only go far |
| 10:47.54 | devilsadvocate | its better than php, but its not haskell :P |
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| 10:48.10 | devilsadvocate | ok, maybe haskel is a bad example here |
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| 10:48.16 | BarryCarlyon | I think the final say comes down what you want the language to do. |
| 10:48.26 | BarryCarlyon | I mean depends what you are building. |
| 10:48.33 | kblin | basically I'm saying that php, just as perl, got it's rep from the people using it |
| 10:48.42 | BarryCarlyon | I use php as my cron scripts, mainly as I kniow no bash scripting, yet. |
| 10:48.54 | BarryCarlyon | kblin, agreed. |
| 10:49.06 | dqminh | so one question is : why did you choose that language (PHP, Python , Perl , ...) to program ? |
| 10:49.13 | dqminh | is one better than others ? |
| 10:49.16 | devilsadvocate | the language is only as good as the programmer :) |
| 10:49.21 | kblin | dqminh: depends on the problem? |
| 10:49.41 | dqminh | kblin, as in what problems ? |
| 10:49.55 | BarryCarlyon | dqminh, I don't know enough of the others to make a website, and perl when I last used it there was a unique server implementation, that I have failed to get running elsewhere. |
| 10:50.04 | BarryCarlyon | devilsadvocate++ |
| 10:50.33 | lut4rp | LISP ftw! |
| 10:50.38 | kblin | dqminh: Try writing code creating a parse tree in Java, and then do the same in a functional language |
| 10:51.33 | toad_ | if we drop a slot now, will I be able to get it back later if we need it? |
| 10:51.36 | sanooj | BarryCarlyon: sorry, logic fail on my part. I meant to say despite itself php is beneficial to everyone because it exposes more people to programming than anything else. |
| 10:51.52 | BarryCarlyon | A lot of coding language choice comes down to what you want to do with it. |
| 10:51.53 | kblin | dqminh: given the same amount of verbosity in comments and whitespace, you'll probably end up with the functional code doing the same thing in about 1/3rd of the lines of code |
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| 10:52.02 | BarryCarlyon | sanooj, agreed. |
| 10:52.04 | kblin | toad_: unlikely |
| 10:52.38 | toad_ | | All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor - 07:00 UTC |
| 10:52.41 | toad_ | doh, didn't see that before |
| 10:52.46 | toad_ | hmmm then we definitely drop a slot |
| 10:52.50 | kblin | toad_: what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 10:53.17 | kblin | oh |
| 10:53.53 | dqminh | kblin, so the reason you choose the language is depended on the total time it will take to solve your problems ? |
| 10:54.16 | BarryCarlyon | dqminh, no it has to be suitability to the problem. |
| 10:54.32 | BarryCarlyon | Usually that is also time related but thats just a side effect. |
| 10:54.39 | toad_ | well, we asked for 5 slots, and we have 5 good students; we have a couple of outliers, but our good students are non-conflicted ... one of our mentors has no student, the only one he might mentor (that is credible) is assigned to another mentor, our other mentor is happily assigned, and I don't want to take more than 2 students ... |
| 10:54.47 | dqminh | nothing related to readability , maintainability and flexibility ? |
| 10:54.50 | toad_ | so I guess the right solution is for us to drop a slot |
| 10:55.02 | BarryCarlyon | I would happily write more lines of code if the solution was readabily. |
| 10:55.05 | toad_ | seeing as we only have four students assigned mentors anywy |
| 10:55.10 | BarryCarlyon | dqminh, suitability includes all of that. |
| 10:55.26 | BarryCarlyon | I do everything in PHP mainly as I can bend it to my will. |
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| 10:55.49 | kblin | BarryCarlyon: ever tried creating a parse tree in java? it's ugly... |
| 10:55.52 | sanooj | if programmers were judged by the first language they learned, there'd be an awful lot of people standing around shuffling their feet trying to stand in front of the GOSUBs :-) (and php is far more productive than those ever were.) |
| 10:56.06 | BarryCarlyon | kblin, I know no java :-( |
| 10:56.19 | kblin | compared to, say.. Ocaml |
| 10:56.22 | BarryCarlyon | sanooj, BASIC ftw |
| 10:56.22 | dqminh | but again , why do you think that a language is more suitable than the others to solve that problem ? |
| 10:56.26 | l0nwlf_ | sanooj: this brings back memories , QBASIC |
| 10:56.39 | toad_ | hmmm, I'll provisionally assign that student to me and drop that slot in the resolution meeting unless there is a conflict |
| 10:56.51 | dqminh | we had this discussion a long time ago :p So i just want to ask here :) |
| 10:56.53 | devilsadvocate | dqminh, depends also on what you want to achieve. if its a personal project, you may as well go with what you are comfortable with |
| 10:57.17 | BarryCarlyon | Right I'd better dissappear so I can do some work |
| 10:57.21 | BarryCarlyon | Laters all. |
| 10:57.42 | toad_ | has broken the assignment deadline by 4 hours though ... is that bad? :) |
| 10:57.45 | kblin | dqminh: the programming paradigms used depend on the problem you want to solve |
| 10:58.10 | kblin | toad_: probably not, but wait for lh to wake up :) |
| 10:58.30 | toad_ | well I'm 95% confident I'll drop that slot |
| 10:58.33 | kblin | dqminh: and some languages support different paradigms better thn others |
| 10:59.18 | toad_ | we definitely can't make an admin into a mentor (and an admin) at this stage? |
| 10:59.37 | kblin | toad_: dunno, try it |
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| 10:59.46 | dqminh | kblin, that I agreed. |
| 10:59.48 | toad_ | doesn't work :) |
| 11:00.02 | toad_ | tried to invite, and it said I couldn't invite that user or something |
| 11:00.03 | toad_ | ok cool |
| 11:00.18 | Lezard | the dropped slots are realocated to another org is that right? |
| 11:00.23 | kblin | yeah |
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| 11:00.32 | dqminh | many people said that they choose Ruby/Python/.. over the others because they provided more readability and more compact. |
| 11:00.41 | dqminh | but how would you define readability ? |
| 11:01.03 | kblin | dqminh: it's a bit like pornography. people know it when they see it :) |
| 11:01.46 | cmcq | the inverse of the time spent staring at code to work out what it does |
| 11:01.52 | kblin | dqminh: but I actually was replying to < dqminh> but again , why do you think that a language is more suitable than the others to solve that problem ? |
| 11:01.54 | dqminh | kblin, oops true haha . But defining that in words is hard |
| 11:01.57 | Lezard | cmcq agreed |
| 11:02.06 | Lezard | dqminh not really |
| 11:02.08 | Lezard | at least i think |
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| 11:03.16 | dqminh | cmcq, so that means readability is defined as the time it took for people who dont knows the language figure out what it does ? |
| 11:03.28 | dqminh | or people who knows the language but didnt write the code |
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| 11:05.52 | cmcq | that would depend on the context of the statement you're analysing |
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| 11:06.02 | devilsadvocate | dqminh, typically the second |
| 11:06.15 | devilsadvocate | the first definitely helps, though |
| 11:06.25 | dqminh | ic |
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| 11:06.39 | macduy | comments helps as well ;) |
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| 11:07.35 | dqminh | because people always talk about readability , but I havent found any definitions about what is readability :( |
| 11:08.00 | Lezard | Readability in general, not only in code |
| 11:08.07 | Lezard | means the ease of you understanding something |
| 11:08.13 | Lezard | a logo, a text, a code |
| 11:08.15 | Lezard | anything |
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| 11:08.32 | dqminh | Lezard, so that would means the first def is more correct ? |
| 11:09.18 | Lezard | depends on the context of readability |
| 11:09.32 | Lezard | If the code was supposed to be understand from people that cant code |
| 11:09.34 | Lezard | the first |
| 11:09.41 | Lezard | else its the the second |
| 11:09.52 | cmcq | is this perl vs python? |
| 11:10.02 | dqminh | cmcq, no haha |
| 11:10.09 | devilsadvocate | cmcq, :D |
| 11:10.13 | dqminh | i and my friends had this discussion a long time ago |
| 11:10.40 | dqminh | about why people would choose a language over the others |
| 11:10.52 | dqminh | and what categories they will use to judge a language |
| 11:10.56 | devvrat | cmcq: perl vs python vs PHP though php fight seems to get over :P |
| 11:11.12 | Lezard | I have a theory about the categories part |
| 11:11.23 | devvrat | s/:P/;) |
| 11:11.51 | Lezard | probably people chose over those languages because its easier for them to express in code what they are thinking |
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| 11:12.14 | Lezard | readability, is very relative... |
| 11:12.21 | devvrat | and there is a personal preference of everyone |
| 11:12.38 | Lezard | the important thing its not only based on the tools that the languages give to the coders |
| 11:12.46 | Lezard | but also how the coders write and read them... |
| 11:13.29 | Lezard | so if they express better at a language X their abilities to make a readeable code with it would be superior |
| 11:13.42 | carldani | #1 criterion for me is: Can it do what I want? In firmware space, that kills most languages except very few |
| 11:13.56 | Lezard | then that person might think that language is easier to code and better |
| 11:14.49 | carldani | #2 is: If I use language X for this task, can I still explain the code to someone else after not having looked at if for 12 months. |
| 11:15.23 | carldani | if #2 fails, either my coding style or the language is to blame. |
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| 11:15.40 | Lezard | carldani agreed |
| 11:15.51 | Lezard | but mostly it becaude of the coding style |
| 11:15.57 | Lezard | since the language its just a standart |
| 11:16.13 | Lezard | the way you think on it its what changes from person to person |
| 11:16.35 | Lezard | its the same as saying English is More readeable than Spanish as an example |
| 11:16.58 | dqminh | so the human factor is the key here, nothing to do with the language ? |
| 11:17.03 | Ivanovic | Lezard: uhm, in perl it is *difficult* to write code that is easy to explain a year later |
| 11:17.05 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 11:17.33 | Lezard | Ivanovic but it is possible right? |
| 11:17.35 | Ivanovic | in general there *are* languages that are less readable than others and/or that require more time to get into agani |
| 11:18.17 | dqminh | Ivanovic, oops again. Less readable from your perspective isnt it ? How abt the others ? |
| 11:18.24 | kblin | dqminh: I disagree |
| 11:18.48 | Ivanovic | dqminh: one example really is perl |
| 11:18.56 | Ivanovic | it is damn efficent for writing some stuff |
| 11:19.12 | Ivanovic | though looking at it a year later will cause you some headaches unless you wrote lots of comments |
| 11:19.18 | kblin | dqminh: if you try to use an object-oriented paradigm in C, you'll end up using structs and this pointers to emulate objects, which is a pain to code and read for everybody |
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| 11:19.45 | Upthorn | dqminh: brainfuck and binary machine code being less readable than C is not really subjective |
| 11:19.47 | Ivanovic | (and hey, which coder does use many comments at the time of writing things since they are "oh so obvious" ;) ) |
| 11:20.02 | Ivanovic | Upthorn: whitespace!!! |
| 11:20.10 | dqminh | haha whitespace :) |
| 11:20.11 | Upthorn | python being more readable than perl is, while less extreme, not really subjective either |
| 11:20.23 | kblin | dqminh: I think most people will agree with that |
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| 11:21.50 | thebolt | Hi everyone |
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| 11:22.03 | kblin | hi thebolt |
| 11:22.43 | Lezard | I agree, the only point I`m trying to make is that there are other factors also, not only the language itself that makes it more or less redeable |
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| 11:22.52 | dqminh | guys , I need to go for dinner. Can we continue the discussion later ? :p |
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| 11:23.16 | devvrat | remebers about Eric's article ' Why python ? ' |
| 11:23.24 | devvrat | *remembers |
| 11:23.44 | Lezard | and I have to go to my uni, I`ll be online there in about an hour or so |
| 11:24.09 | dqminh | cya Lezard :) |
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| 11:24.43 | devvrat | bye Lezard |
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| 11:54.32 | kblin | sighs and kicks himself to university |
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| 11:55.22 | thebolt | kblin: motivation problems? |
| 11:55.43 | ajuonline | same here |
| 11:55.47 | kblin | thebolt: I get to continue to search for my last missing result file |
| 11:55.54 | ajuonline | thebolt: ^ |
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| 11:56.20 | kblin | also, writing the damn thesis is boring, as all the interesting work has been done already |
| 11:56.38 | thebolt | kblin: hehe |
| 11:56.39 | ajuonline | am doing the same thing |
| 11:56.57 | ajuonline | someone cud just type it all up |
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| 11:57.05 | thebolt | i should do my homeworks.. but most of it is in a boring subject (kind-of) that i cannot use in my degree |
| 11:57.10 | thebolt | so motivation isn't that high there ;) |
| 11:57.28 | kblin | I should probably do my PhD on thesis-writing monkeys |
| 11:58.18 | aghisla | agrees |
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| 11:59.36 | aghisla | there is so much fun outside degree subject :) |
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| 11:59.36 | kblin | aghisla: no, my thesis subject is fun as well |
| 11:59.37 | kblin | aghisla: it's the act of writing down the results that's boring as hell |
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| 11:59.53 | sanooj | kblin: what's the subject? |
| 11:59.54 | aghisla | hm I made it fun with latex during undergrad thesis |
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| 12:00.25 | sanooj | aghisla: what was your subject? |
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| 12:00.46 | kblin | aghisla: you don't happen to know a nice way to tex simple chemical structures, I guess |
| 12:00.50 | susscorfa | aghisla: do you know a way to colaborate with word users when working with latex |
| 12:00.52 | aghisla | sanooj: comparison of different software tools in estimating space use of red squirrels |
| 12:01.08 | kblin | sanooj: protein engineering on aconitases |
| 12:01.22 | aghisla | kblin: unfortunately not... |
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| 12:01.35 | susscorfa | aghisla: do you have a link to that thesis ? |
| 12:01.52 | aghisla | susscorfa: you mean working on the same document with word users? |
| 12:01.53 | susscorfa | is just starting on space use |
| 12:01.58 | susscorfa | yes |
| 12:02.33 | sanooj | lovely. /me wishes he knew even a little about red squirrels and aconitases. |
| 12:03.02 | aghisla | uhm no idea... I ask word users to provide plain text and integrate it |
| 12:03.08 | aghisla | usually |
| 12:03.23 | susscorfa | ok |
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| 12:03.47 | aghisla | susscorfa: for the thesis there is no link on the internet |
| 12:03.54 | aghisla | I can email you the pdf |
| 12:04.04 | kblin | sanooj: they're not too different. red suirrels are small and eat nuts, aconitases are very small and eat citric acid ;) |
| 12:04.11 | aghisla | hahahaha |
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| 12:05.59 | carldani | kblin: and both exist in Tuebingen |
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| 12:06.34 | sanooj | carldani: is that the tuesday after a binge weekend? I've been there. it's not a happy place. |
| 12:07.01 | kblin | carldani: and you won't notice if you run over an aconitase with your bike |
| 12:07.15 | carldani | kblin: indeed. |
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| 12:07.30 | carldani | sanooj: haha. it's a town in southern Germany. |
| 12:07.59 | kblin | carldani: it's between the big mercedes factory and the black forest ;) |
| 12:08.15 | carldani | sanooj: but your explanation makes somewhat sense. it's an university town, so binge weekends happen. |
| 12:08.31 | carldani | kblin: I know. I live there |
| 12:08.49 | kblin | carldani: I actually meant sanooj |
| 12:08.57 | kblin | tab completion fail :) |
| 12:09.04 | sanooj | heh |
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| 12:09.37 | kblin | never tried that yet.. |
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| 12:27.28 | krokas | hi |
| 12:28.02 | krokas | is there anyone who can clarify me situation about Matthias-Christian Ott, NetBSD, GNU conflict and Summer of Code? |
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| 12:28.27 | ajuonline | puts cold water on kr0y |
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| 12:28.37 | krokas | I have spent a lot of time working with the guy. I sent the guy 10 emails, and he does bother to answer me to any of them |
| 12:28.41 | Ivanovic | krokas: only the two involved orgs can clarify *anything* on stuff like this |
| 12:29.07 | krokas | I am on NetBSD-code now, but there no ones knows anything at this time |
| 12:29.09 | kr0y | tries to strangle ajuonline |
| 12:29.24 | ajuonline | :d |
| 12:29.32 | ojwb | krokas: did you mean "doesn't bother to answer"? |
| 12:29.38 | krokas | yes |
| 12:29.45 | krokas | he doesn't bother to answer |
| 12:29.55 | ojwb | are you the netbsd mentor? |
| 12:30.14 | krokas | I am simply confused on what is happening. Because I only get information from third hands |
| 12:30.18 | krokas | from GNU |
| 12:30.31 | Ivanovic | krokas: the org admins should have mails |
| 12:30.42 | Ivanovic | krokas: that is: the mail addresses of the other orgs admins |
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| 12:30.59 | ojwb | personally, the student not answering is a warning sign to me, though he may be away or have mail issues |
| 12:31.04 | krokas | the current GNU admit is a somewhat strange guy, he doesn't want to cooperate, and have even banned me from the mentoring list and google code |
| 12:31.10 | Ivanovic | (in the case of conflicts, mails were sent to both org admins relevant for the conflict) |
| 12:31.12 | aghisla | ?!? |
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| 12:31.50 | ojwb | interesting |
| 12:31.56 | Ivanovic | the admins *should* handle this stuff by talking to the mentors and between the orgs |
| 12:32.17 | krokas | the admin, simply told that he gives the student to NetBSD, and end of story |
| 12:32.26 | krokas | I tried to ask questions |
| 12:32.34 | ojwb | well, netbsd have the student then |
| 12:32.42 | krokas | he simply band me from the google GNU mentoring list |
| 12:32.56 | kblin | krokas: so you're having trouble communicating with GNU, not with a conflict |
| 12:33.07 | sadrul | krokas: the admin clearly stated that the decision was the student's. you are misquoting him |
| 12:33.11 | ojwb | I'd guess that was the student's preference, or the admins decided between them |
| 12:33.14 | krokas | no |
| 12:33.29 | krokas | the admin, also stated this information from third hands |
| 12:33.35 | kblin | krokas: ok, I don't quite get your problem then |
| 12:33.44 | kblin | krokas: are you the freebsd admin? |
| 12:33.52 | krokas | no one had any information from the student himself |
| 12:33.58 | ojwb | kblin: he's "from GNU" |
| 12:34.08 | kblin | oh, ok |
| 12:34.24 | krokas | the student, has told something like he wanted to work with GNU, and considered NetBSD only as a second option |
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| 12:34.40 | ojwb | perhaps he told both orgs that |
| 12:34.43 | kblin | krokas: so you're a GNU mentor, and you have trouble talking to your admin? |
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| 12:34.52 | ojwb | worrying that they'd not consider him if they were his second choice |
| 12:34.57 | krokas | and then I worked a lot with the student, I have explained him many things, on what he could work, and then I knew he decided to work on NetBSD |
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| 12:35.27 | kblin | ojwb: that's why I always cc the other org's admin when asking students about their preference |
| 12:35.28 | krokas | so I am only wondering if NetBSD has more chances with the student |
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| 12:36.13 | ojwb | krokas: I'm not sure we can answer that... |
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| 12:36.53 | krokas | because I have written to the student x3 more times of text and information than he has written to me :-) |
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| 12:37.10 | krokas | on how he could improve his application, and make the soc better for him |
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| 12:37.38 | locutus4 | any jboss mentor ? |
| 12:37.40 | ojwb | perhaps he was working harder on his other application, but as I said, we really don't know |
| 12:37.47 | ojwb | !anyone |
| 12:37.48 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 12:37.52 | ojwb | locutus4: see above |
| 12:38.02 | kblin | krokas: well, basically you ned to discuss this with your admin and netbsd's admin |
| 12:38.12 | kblin | s/ned/need/ |
| 12:38.24 | krokas | ojwb, I really wondering if NetBSD hasw more chances. But I am simply doubful the student will success with NetBSD. But I simply don't know :-) |
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| 12:38.44 | ojwb | well, that's for them to decide |
| 12:38.54 | krokas | sure of course |
| 12:39.00 | ojwb | but if you don't think he would succeed with GNU, why was he shortlisted? |
| 12:39.23 | krokas | But anyways, the student did not even wrote 2 lines of text, in an email. So I find this a strange evidence for now. |
| 12:40.01 | holger | krokas: you may well have been overdoing it from what i read into your lines. why would you send tons of mail to the student if he doesn't even bother to answer? |
| 12:40.03 | krokas | ojwb, I thought he could success. Before I knew he decided to switch to NetBSD from third hands. And he did not write me even a single line of text. |
| 12:40.09 | Ivanovic | krokas: so if the student does not react to questions, how comes that he is rated this high? |
| 12:40.10 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 12:40.26 | krokas | Ivanoic, he did react in the Google app for some time |
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| 12:40.34 | kblin | I'm actually not very happy about this discussion here |
| 12:40.37 | krokas | also it was the only application we had for libJIT |
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| 12:40.43 | kblin | given that you named the student and all that |
| 12:40.45 | krokas | on which I am working |
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| 12:41.10 | ojwb | kblin: yeah, good point, I tend to agree |
| 12:41.13 | Ivanovic | krokas: you can still post public comments in the webapp |
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| 12:41.33 | krokas | kblin, I have been banned by the admin from access of the webapp, for whatever reason |
| 12:41.34 | holger | krokas: also i think this is between you and your org. the student doesn't come into play at all. he decided for the other org, they want him, case closed. |
| 12:41.36 | Ivanovic | beside this: try to find the "relevant" people at netbsd and/or talk to your orgs admin(s) |
| 12:42.15 | kblin | krokas: so while I'm happy to discuss this matter on the mentor's mailing list, let's stop doing so in public |
| 12:42.21 | Ivanovic | if the student already stated "i prefer netbsd", then this is fine and you should be done with it, even if you never got the answer |
| 12:42.28 | krokas | holger, sure this is not an issue. But I am simply trying to get an information from the student himself. |
| 12:42.46 | krokas | Ivanovic, this is the issue, I cannot get any of this information, from first hand |
| 12:42.47 | ojwb | krokas: well, it seems he doesn't want to talk to you about it |
| 12:43.01 | krokas | ojwb, might be, this is the reason |
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| 12:43.26 | ojwb | there perhaps seems to be a pattern emerging... |
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| 12:43.35 | Ivanovic | and what do you think anyone of us could do about this? |
| 12:43.37 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 12:44.07 | kblin | ok, let me put this differently.. |
| 12:44.09 | l0nwlf_ | holger hi |
| 12:44.21 | kblin | can we please stop this discussion now? |
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| 12:44.55 | straszheim | !timeline |
| 12:44.56 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 12:45.11 | krokas | kblin, I simply wanted to let everyone, about such student |
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| 12:45.31 | krokas | to let everyone know, that there is such strange student |
| 12:45.52 | Ivanovic | krokas: real names and stuff like this do *NOT* belong into a public chan with public logs! |
| 12:45.53 | kblin | that's exactly what I'm unhappy about |
| 12:46.06 | kblin | krokas: all we have is your word of that |
| 12:46.21 | kblin | krokas: we don't even know your name, but you've mentioned the real name of the student |
| 12:46.38 | Ivanovic | asking without any names and such is *fine* (as in: do you know how to contact the people responsible for org ABC to solve a conflict, i can't find the contact data") |
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| 12:47.08 | Ivanovic | but that is in general *everything* that should be done in here |
| 12:47.09 | kblin | krokas: it's impossible to verify what you claim, and if untrue, you're just hurting the student |
| 12:47.21 | krokas | kblin, my name is not a huge issue :-) |
| 12:47.40 | toad_ | then how does the dupe resolution meeting work? |
| 12:47.47 | krokas | http://code.google.com/p/libjit-linear-scan-register-allocator/ |
| 12:47.48 | toad_ | on the web interface I only see real names |
| 12:47.54 | kblin | the student might have perfectly good reasons to not reply to email |
| 12:48.07 | krokas | kblin, which one? |
| 12:48.19 | kblin | krokas: how the heck would I know? |
| 12:48.21 | Ivanovic | toad_: simple: in a chan of its own that is *not* logged in public |
| 12:48.44 | toad_ | ah ok |
| 12:48.47 | Ivanovic | and especially without "argh, the student does not react, i have no idea what to do, what now" stuff |
| 12:49.01 | holger | krokas: to be fair. i don't see how the student did anything strange. you, otoh, seem to have been cut off by your org and the student also decided to choose something else. |
| 12:49.08 | krokas | kblin, my name is in the very botoom of that web page, including my phone number :-) |
| 12:49.22 | holger | somehow i doubt the student is the reason for this |
| 12:49.22 | Ivanovic | basically it is a: "student abc, org X and org Y: who wants him, what does the student want?" from "the boss" |
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| 12:49.34 | Ivanovic | and both orgs state what they know/think, then "the boss" says who gets the student |
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| 12:50.37 | kblin | krokas: anyway, I'm not going to allow name-calling in here |
| 12:50.48 | krokas | kblin, ok, sorry for this |
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| 12:51.17 | kblin | krokas: I can understand your concerns, but you hurt your arguments by naming the student |
| 12:51.32 | krokas | kblin, I simply thought there might be someone from NetBSD here. I tried on the other NetBSD chanels |
| 12:51.40 | krokas | kblin, ok, I am sorry for this |
| 12:51.46 | krokas | my bad |
| 12:51.52 | krokas | I did not thought it is important |
| 12:52.26 | kblin | well, we can't help it now, but let's just stop the discussion here |
| 12:52.38 | krokas | kblin, yes, of course |
| 12:52.55 | kblin | krokas: I guess that if the student doesn't want to tell you, no one else can, either |
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| 12:53.08 | krokas | klbin, yup, i agree |
| 12:53.11 | ojwb | this is not a netbsd channel, or a place to find mentors for a particular org |
| 12:53.14 | krokas | kblin, yes, i agree |
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| 12:53.44 | krokas | ojwb, i tried all the other variants already |
| 12:53.51 | kblin | and with this little piece of advice, I'll have to finally get myself to university if I want to get anything done today |
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| 12:54.03 | Ivanovic | cu kblin |
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| 12:56.45 | krokas | hopes NetBSD has more chances with that student ;-) |
| 12:56.59 | ojwb | krokas: please stop talking about this |
| 12:57.06 | ojwb | at least in this channel |
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| 12:57.33 | krokas | I need to go now |
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| 12:57.49 | krokas | thanks for your precious time, and your help |
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| 12:59.11 | rolly1975 | very strange man |
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| 13:01.48 | disismt | yup |
| 13:02.24 | sadrul | be thankful if you are not on summer-of-code@gnu :-/ |
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| 13:08.11 | schumaml | sadrul: the list archive looks quite harmless, though |
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| 13:09.20 | Fingolfin | indeed a strange man |
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| 13:10.05 | Fingolfin | esp. reading the URL he pasted causes me to carefully question the reliability of anything he said |
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| 13:11.20 | gevaerts | doesn't understand why someone who has "been banned by the admin from access of the webapp, for whatever reason" would be handling duplicates |
| 13:12.36 | schumaml | best to disregard this as "temporary excitement" and spare the channel from further bothering about it |
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| 13:12.54 | skbohra | can we the students be there in #gsoc-resolve and see how things go |
| 13:13.31 | l0nwlf_ | skbohra: ye |
| 13:13.32 | ojwb | skbohra: apparently yes |
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| 13:13.56 | skbohra | ojwb: cool then it will be great |
| 13:14.35 | rajan | ojwb: can students comment too ? during the discussion between orgs ? |
| 13:15.12 | ojwb | rajan: they're asked not to get involved in discussions |
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| 13:15.33 | ojwb | I'd assume that your preference should already be known, or it's OK to respond if asked directly |
| 13:16.13 | emathias | !logs |
| 13:16.13 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 13:16.14 | thebolt | hey mdc |
| 13:16.14 | rajan | "already be known" as in how ? |
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| 13:16.32 | skbohra | ojwb: as we don't know anything yet |
| 13:16.34 | skbohra | :) |
| 13:16.46 | thebolt | rajan: orgs know of duplicates before.. they might even ask before the meeting ;) |
| 13:16.52 | mdc | thebolt: hello! How are things going? :) |
| 13:16.58 | thebolt | mdc: excellent |
| 13:17.02 | ojwb | well, if there's a conflict involving you, the orgs will know, and should have asked you |
| 13:17.02 | thebolt | outstanding etc.. |
| 13:17.09 | thebolt | any other positive adjective you can find :) |
| 13:17.16 | ojwb | except for cases where the conflict appears as a result of resolving a conflict |
| 13:17.26 | mdc | thebolt: we have a nice set of students this year, and I look forward to the summer :) |
| 13:17.48 | rajan | hmm .. ok |
| 13:17.56 | thebolt | mdc: nice.. i'm on the other side of the fence this year |
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| 13:18.32 | thebolt | (but got some iside info from my "old" org as well.. doing very well it seems also) |
| 13:18.48 | merlijn | it promises to be a fun resolution meeting with the numbers posted about the amount of students that applied :) |
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| 13:21.36 | skbohra | ojwb: if I am not involve in any conflict even then I can go there and see, right? |
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| 13:23.20 | merlijn | skbohra: sure |
| 13:23.36 | ankitg | skbohra: how goes? |
| 13:23.48 | skbohra | ankitg: hi |
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| 13:24.00 | ankitg | ajain: anything new? |
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| 13:24.13 | ankitg | skbohra: any updates on your proposals? |
| 13:24.24 | ankitg | ajuonline: online? |
| 13:24.28 | skbohra | ankitg: no, updates :( |
| 13:24.41 | ankitg | skbohra: relax ... don't be sad .. |
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| 13:24.57 | qiaoqian | ankitg: how about you , IS just a proposal OK |
| 13:24.57 | ajain | ankitg: naah .. nothing new |
| 13:25.04 | ajain | ankitg: you tell me |
| 13:26.03 | qiaoqian | I don't know how to make it a must,just wait |
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| 13:26.12 | skbohra | ankitg: anxious, tough to be relax :) |
| 13:27.05 | ankitg | ajain: nothing new been busy with exams ... |
| 13:27.06 | qiaoqian | skbohra: just be fine |
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| 13:27.37 | ajain | ankitg: so how are they going ? Good that i have none to give :) |
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| 13:30.14 | ankitg | ajain: going ok .... |
| 13:30.26 | ajain | hmm |
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| 13:31.06 | skbohra | is relaxed |
| 13:31.14 | aghisla | is anxious |
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| 13:31.24 | aghisla | (exam tomorrow, not soc) |
| 13:31.50 | skbohra | aghisla: good luck and be relax |
| 13:31.55 | skbohra | :) |
| 13:32.01 | aghisla | thanks a lot skbohra! |
| 13:32.25 | ankitg | aghisla: calm down ... one exam is not going not determine the outcome of ... well pretty much anything significant ... |
| 13:32.40 | aghisla | :D |
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| 13:32.49 | skbohra | ankitg: great speech :D |
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| 13:32.57 | jetru | ankitg: some single exams do :D |
| 13:32.58 | rajan | ankitg: hey |
| 13:33.10 | ankitg | jetru: name one ... |
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| 13:33.17 | skbohra | JEE |
| 13:33.23 | jetru | ankitg: in my country, there's one exam called JEE |
| 13:33.24 | skbohra | :) |
| 13:33.47 | jetru | ankitg: if you do well, you're 1337 :D |
| 13:33.47 | ankitg | If I do badly at the SAT, I can go give GMAT ... and never talk about SAT again ... |
| 13:33.47 | rajan | jetru: that's in ankitg's country too :P |
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| 13:34.08 | aghisla | doesn't know these acronyms |
| 13:34.22 | skbohra | JEE joint entrance exam |
| 13:34.27 | aghisla | ok |
| 13:34.34 | vedlith | oh cmon, everyone knows that failing OS classes means 7 years of unhappiness |
| 13:34.40 | rajan | its for IIT |
| 13:35.03 | ankitg | so big whoop you don't get into IIT ... doesn't mean the end of the world ... |
| 13:35.04 | skbohra | aghisla: its for admission into IITs most reputed institution in India |
| 13:35.13 | ajuonline | ankitg: now i am. |
| 13:35.18 | ajuonline | whats up? |
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| 13:35.25 | skbohra | ankitg: yeah certainly that doesn't mean that |
| 13:35.37 | ankitg | ajuonline: nothing much ... how goes? |
| 13:35.48 | skbohra | ankitg: but it makes lots of difference :) |
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| 13:37.02 | ankitg | skbohra: not necessarily ... the institution doesn't make the person ... the collective people make the institution what it is ... |
| 13:37.04 | ajuonline | ankitg: i just realised I have eams in 5 days. |
| 13:37.08 | ajuonline | exams* |
| 13:37.24 | ankitg | ajuonline: heh, chills ... play with you G1 =P |
| 13:37.31 | rajan | I guess its exam time in South Asia ;) |
| 13:37.48 | skbohra | ankitg: well said |
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| 13:38.28 | ajuonline | ankitg: exams dont bother much to me. the submissions do. |
| 13:38.29 | ajuonline | :P |
| 13:38.46 | mib_4iepqadg | skbohra: not at all..I think its depend upon your interest...its better to choose some nit r iiit if u interested in CS to rather go 4 other branch in IIT ( as getting rank under 500 is very tough in IIT) |
| 13:38.53 | mib_4iepqadg | so dont't kry.. |
| 13:39.06 | ankitg | ajuonline: agreed ... deadlines are annoying ... but kinda necessary ... |
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| 13:39.24 | hwked | I got a comment on one of my proposals that both orgs. are interested in having me for summer of code and if I have any preference. does that mean I am in for sure? :) |
| 13:39.30 | ajuonline | mib_4iepqadg: why are we talking about some over hyped college here in #gsoc ? |
| 13:39.36 | skbohra | thinks ajuonline is certainly not a *human* I observed it with his activities, he seems to be super human |
| 13:39.36 | ojwb | hmm, does anyone understand this "org home page document" thing? |
| 13:39.47 | ojwb | does stuff get automatically added to it? |
| 13:39.48 | ajuonline | skbohra: lol |
| 13:39.55 | aghisla | points at ajuonline flying upon us |
| 13:40.00 | ojwb | or am I supposed to manually add links to the project ideas, etc? |
| 13:40.05 | mib_4iepqadg | ajuonline: finish it off now |
| 13:40.17 | ojwb | having read the linked examples, I find myself more confused |
| 13:40.36 | skbohra | aghishla: :D |
| 13:40.46 | ajuonline | aghisla: i wish i could really fly :P |
| 13:41.10 | aghisla | let me find the xkcd comic about flying... |
| 13:41.10 | ankitg | ajuonline: you can't fly !!! :O |
| 13:41.23 | skbohra | ajuonline: you can fly |
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| 13:41.39 | aghisla | ajuonline: http://xkcd.com/353/ |
| 13:41.41 | ajuonline | whats wrong with you guys today |
| 13:41.54 | ankitg | ajuonline: we are all high |
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| 13:42.05 | disismt | hwked, no need to show offf man :( |
| 13:42.23 | ajuonline | aghisla: heh :P sure, I can fly too. |
| 13:42.32 | aghisla | ;) |
| 13:42.58 | hwked | disismt: I am sry, I didn't intend to come out that way. I just didn't want to feel happy too soon |
| 13:43.00 | skbohra | ajuonline: we are making you realize your inner power |
| 13:43.10 | skbohra | :D |
| 13:43.41 | ankitg | ajuonline: flying man ... I am Hiro Nakamura =P |
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| 13:44.15 | ajuonline | ankitg: heyo Hiro, has the touch and go baby fixed your powers yet? |
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| 13:45.37 | ankitg | ajuonline: not completely ... but I can freeze time ... |
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| 13:46.18 | ajuonline | ankitg: ah, i am still to watch the latest ep. but OK, get well soon! |
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| 13:48.00 | ojwb | perhaps this isn't the place for potential spoilers about tv programmes broadcast at different dates around the world... |
| 13:48.39 | kblin | ojwb: I'm glad we're back to world-moving issues like this |
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| 13:49.55 | thebolt | kblin: :) |
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| 14:03.00 | hwked | have the accepted students been decided by the orgs.(to some extent)? I mean except the ones who are duplicate? |
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| 14:03.23 | schumaml | I'd guess so |
| 14:03.46 | schumaml | at least for us, only last minute conflicts can change anything |
| 14:04.09 | hwked | schumaml: may I ask you are from which org.? |
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| 14:04.17 | schumaml | gimp |
| 14:04.30 | kblin | same here |
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| 14:04.44 | hwked | cool! |
| 14:05.28 | brainfck_ | anybody there who submitted a proposal for TYPO3? |
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| 14:07.17 | mdc | I was curious about just how much coding time there was in GSoC, and found this: |
| 14:07.19 | mdc | http://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=05&d1=23&y1=2009&m2=08&d2=17&y2=2009&ti=on |
| 14:07.47 | mdc | 12 weeks goes by quickly :) |
| 14:08.05 | lcuk | 12 weeks is a mere blip |
| 14:08.05 | ajuonline | mdc: yeah :P |
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| 14:08.25 | Corsix | It's a quarter of a year |
| 14:08.30 | lcuk | i hadnt realised but i spent a year coding something |
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| 14:08.56 | mdc | Planning and preparation are critical to getting the most out of the 12 weeks. |
| 14:09.00 | aghisla | i hadn't stopped coding on my last years soc project |
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| 14:09.08 | mdc | aghisla: good for you! :) |
| 14:09.10 | lcuk | its always fun to look back in my code banks and be using code from 2001/2002 type archives |
| 14:09.13 | thebolt | lcuk: i just realized the other day that i've been in my foss project for 8 years now :P |
| 14:09.21 | lcuk | thebolt, :) |
| 14:09.22 | mdc | aghisla: it's great to keep working on something you like :) |
| 14:09.24 | aghisla | thebolt: ooh |
| 14:09.33 | ojwb | so if you can write a line of code in a minute, we should expect 125000 lines for a gsoc project! |
| 14:09.35 | mdc | thebolt: 10 years for me :) |
| 14:09.42 | thebolt | mdc: :) but you are a bit older than i am ;) |
| 14:09.43 | aghisla | mdc: yeah, and realise how bad my code was :) |
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| 14:09.45 | mdc | First patch was in 1999 |
| 14:09.48 | thebolt | so smaller potion of your total life ;) |
| 14:09.49 | lcuk | if i counted none FOSS personal coding it goes back to 1995ish |
| 14:09.59 | lcuk | is a FOSS virgin tho |
| 14:10.00 | mdc | is ancient :) |
| 14:10.21 | mdc | ( but has a good sense of humor :) ) |
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| 14:10.31 | lcuk | actually, i dont think ive made that many patches :O |
| 14:10.43 | thebolt | mdc: :) and a cool instrument ;) |
| 14:10.46 | lcuk | its all new code |
| 14:11.04 | mdc | I imagine all org admins and mentors are getting PM'ed about ranking results. |
| 14:11.19 | mdc | I feel for the students who interviewed with us |
| 14:11.34 | mdc | but have told them firmly that it is premature to discuss rankings. |
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| 14:12.12 | mdc | It is amazing how time seems to go ever so quickly sometimes, and then ever so slowly others :) |
| 14:12.52 | thebolt | definitely |
| 14:12.52 | Catfish_Man | "Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. That's relativity." |
| 14:12.54 | mdc | Good luck to all who applied, and to those who will mentor! |
| 14:12.59 | lcuk | its also surprising how two different people can see the same time span differently |
| 14:13.04 | thebolt | Catfish_Man: :) |
| 14:13.07 | lcuk | im thinking next week is so close |
| 14:13.10 | mdc | Catfish_Man: just so :) |
| 14:13.17 | thebolt | counts the hours to next thursday.. it goes _very_ slowly right now |
| 14:13.29 | mdc | thebolt: next thursday? |
| 14:13.30 | lcuk | whats thursday? |
| 14:13.32 | aghisla | my week shortens considerably on Wednesday. |
| 14:13.49 | thebolt | aghisla: i'm out of classes thursday and fridays ;) |
| 14:14.00 | thebolt | mdc: related to the second part of Catfish_Mans quote ;) |
| 14:14.01 | aghisla | thebolt: no more classes for me! :P |
| 14:14.05 | lcuk | but the same would happen this week |
| 14:14.06 | aghisla | dances |
| 14:14.11 | lcuk | whats special about next thursday |
| 14:14.15 | mdc | !when |
| 14:14.16 | socinfo | "when" is later |
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| 14:14.42 | thebolt | lcuk: sure, about classes yes.. but no girl until next thursday :/ |
| 14:14.52 | mdc | socinfo:learn when as April 20: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC Accepted student proposals announced on the Google Summer of Code 2009 site. |
| 14:15.02 | kblin | hey |
| 14:15.05 | mdc | socinfo learn when as April 20: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC Accepted student proposals announced on the Google Summer of Code 2009 site. |
| 14:15.05 | lcuk | lol |
| 14:15.05 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 14:15.11 | mdc | !when |
| 14:15.12 | socinfo | "when" is (#1) later, or (#2) April 20: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC Accepted student proposals announced on the Google Summer of Code 2009 site. |
| 14:15.28 | kblin | mdc: no breaking my favourite factoid |
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| 14:15.39 | mdc | kblin: oops, sorry :) |
| 14:15.43 | kblin | :) |
| 14:15.46 | thebolt | kblin: :) |
| 14:15.59 | kblin | mdc: but seriously, most people seem to use !next |
| 14:16.00 | danderson | !next |
| 14:16.00 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 14:16.16 | mdc | ah, ok |
| 14:16.16 | kblin | mdc: and !next is what !help tells you to use as well |
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| 14:16.30 | kblin | !help |
| 14:16.31 | socinfo | "help" is see !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 14:16.33 | mdc | is there a way to get socinfo to dump its knowledge base (in private) |
| 14:16.47 | kblin | socinfo: forget when 2 |
| 14:16.48 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 14:17.08 | danderson | yes. |
| 14:17.11 | kblin | mdc: I think so |
| 14:17.17 | danderson | mdc: in private, !factoids search #gsoc * |
| 14:17.22 | danderson | that will list all known factoid names |
| 14:17.27 | mdc | danderson: many thanks |
| 14:17.32 | danderson | (!more to page, there are 3 replies worth of factoids) |
| 14:17.36 | danderson | to list the associated value: |
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| 14:17.50 | danderson | use !whatis #gsoc <factoid name> |
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| 14:17.52 | disismt | !factoids |
| 14:17.52 | socinfo | Error: "factoids" is not a valid command. |
| 14:18.03 | arunreddy | !facts |
| 14:18.03 | socinfo | Error: "facts" is not a valid command. |
| 14:18.09 | disismt | !more |
| 14:18.09 | socinfo | Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick. |
| 14:18.21 | disismt | !factoids search #gsoc * |
| 14:18.21 | socinfo | 'soc', 'support', 'answer', 'soc2007', 'soc2006', 'soc2005', 'advice', 'objective', 'piracy', 'webapp', 'offtopic', 'yes', 'python', 'haha', 'sample', 'soc2008', 'ghop', 'tea', 'odds', 'log', 'dunno', 'relax', 'melange', 'blog', 'swag', 'notapply', 'when', 'thanks', 'socinfo', 'faq', 'orgcriteria', 'login', 'logs', 'bug', '18', 'botsnack', 'google', 'userguide', 'cheese', 'timeline', 'bugs', 'features', (2 more messages) |
| 14:18.25 | kblin | hey |
| 14:18.29 | danderson | disismt: stop it. |
| 14:18.30 | danderson | in private. |
| 14:18.31 | kblin | disismt: in a pm, dammit |
| 14:18.32 | danderson | not here. |
| 14:18.36 | disismt | ok |
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| 14:19.00 | aghisla | !tea |
| 14:19.00 | socinfo | "tea" is (#1) always a valid option, or (#2) It's always tea time, have a cup on the house! |
| 14:19.12 | danderson | for pete's sake |
| 14:19.17 | danderson | in private |
| 14:19.21 | danderson | you know, the non-public thing |
| 14:19.23 | danderson | that is private |
| 14:19.28 | ajuonline | :D lol |
| 14:19.29 | danderson | and doesn't create noise for others |
| 14:19.32 | aghisla | ok :) |
| 14:19.44 | ajuonline | ^5's danderson |
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| 14:19.52 | rajan | 500 users online ;) |
| 14:20.23 | disismt | NicDumZ, congrats you are the 500th user. Give your email address to win $100000000. |
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| 14:20.36 | mdc | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.40 | ojwb | mdc: I think you may need a space after ":" |
| 14:20.41 | NicDumZ | meheh :) |
| 14:20.47 | rajan | :P |
| 14:20.48 | mdc | that's one way to PM the socinfo bot |
| 14:21.05 | mdc | ojwb: I got it right the second time :) |
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| 14:21.33 | mdc | (for those new to IRC) |
| 14:21.54 | ajuonline | mdc: and how do we join some other channel? ;) |
| 14:22.08 | mdc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:22.20 | ajuonline | mdc: and how to change nicks? |
| 14:22.30 | mdc | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.36 | devvrat | lol |
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| 14:22.50 | devvrat | ajuonline: seems to forget irc commands ; |
| 14:22.54 | devvrat | ;) |
| 14:22.56 | Catfish_Man | I can demonstrate how to kick users if anyone is curious |
| 14:23.08 | devvrat | :D |
| 14:23.10 | mdc | Catfish_Man: :) |
| 14:23.12 | Mathiasdm | heh |
| 14:23.22 | mdc | normal users can't do that anyway :) |
| 14:23.35 | mdc | you have to have the proper channel permissions :) |
| 14:23.52 | summatusmentis | Catfish_Man: I think ajuonline might not remember how that works |
| 14:23.52 | devvrat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.56 | mdc | runs #etherboot |
| 14:24.27 | mdc | Catfish_Man: who about /mode #gsoc +i :) |
| 14:24.33 | mdc | *how |
| 14:24.37 | Mathiasdm | devvrat: 16:24 -!- #gsoc You need to be a channel operator to do that |
| 14:25.04 | gevaerts | kicks himself |
| 14:25.15 | devvrat | Mathiasdm: i knew that :P |
| 14:25.30 | mdc | needs to go make some money to pay for his FOSS habit :) |
| 14:25.34 | mdc | laters |
| 14:25.41 | vedlith | gevaerts: just lightly :) |
| 14:25.46 | Mathiasdm | devvrat: I was curious myself ;) |
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| 14:26.08 | devvrat | Mathiasdm: nice reply :) |
| 14:26.12 | thebolt | mdc: money is overrated.. |
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| 14:26.23 | mdc | but necessary :) |
| 14:27.02 | devvrat | when will the fight start ;) |
| 14:27.19 | mdc | has a hardware habit -- NICs, motherboards, rom burners, switches , routers, core2duo processors... |
| 14:27.30 | mdc | stuff to hack with :) |
| 14:27.32 | devvrat | probably 1 hour i guess |
| 14:28.02 | mdc | (and let's not forget laptops) |
| 14:28.21 | disismt | Still 4.5 hrs left |
| 14:28.35 | devvrat | k |
| 14:28.37 | Catfish_Man | oh right, today is chaos day 2 |
| 14:28.39 | Catfish_Man | I forgot |
| 14:28.58 | kblin | Catfish_Man: shame on you :) |
| 14:29.05 | devvrat | :D |
| 14:30.04 | rajan | Catfish_Man: are you Cat Allman ? |
| 14:30.10 | Catfish_Man | I am not |
| 14:30.15 | rajan | kk |
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| 14:30.37 | devvrat | but the resemblance is quite close |
| 14:30.46 | disismt | Catfish_Man, why catfish...? |
| 14:30.49 | kblin | devvrat: actually, no |
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| 14:30.59 | devvrat | kblin: Cat and man |
| 14:31.19 | Catfish_Man | disismt: it has to do with a strange dream a friend of mine had |
| 14:31.21 | MatthewWilkes | Half cat, half fish, half man |
| 14:31.26 | rajan | Cat+fish+Man |
| 14:31.29 | Catfish_Man | about the band Rammstein, and a humanoid catfish |
| 14:31.32 | devvrat | heh |
| 14:31.33 | rajan | ;) :D |
| 14:31.37 | MatthewWilkes | Catfish_Man: o_O |
| 14:31.45 | rajan | oOoO |
| 14:31.46 | Catfish_Man | and MatthewWilkes is correct; I am 150% |
| 14:31.49 | disismt | MatthewWilkes, that would be 1/3 fish 1/3 cat 1/3 man |
| 14:32.06 | Corsix | or 1/2 catfish, 1/2 man |
| 14:32.20 | devvrat | looks like linear equation and combinations discussion |
| 14:32.31 | disismt | or total fish no man |
| 14:32.32 | rajan | its a fun channel ;) |
| 14:32.32 | Catfish_Man | ooh gcc 4.4fc1 |
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| 14:33.18 | MatthewWilkes | disismt: How dare you correct my fractions? |
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| 14:33.21 | devvrat | rajan: there is also a channel #off-topic which is also funny and noisy :P |
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| 14:33.58 | mdc | gcc 4.4 ++ |
| 14:33.59 | disismt | cowers behind devvrat |
| 14:34.06 | rajan | devvrat: thanks man! will try that ;) |
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| 14:35.33 | devvrat | rajan: just kidding....check out the date of the last message in that channel ...must be from 2005 or somewhere near |
| 14:36.20 | rajan | devvrat: I was kinda restless,but after lots of laughter,I feel so better !!! |
| 14:36.20 | rajan | oOoO |
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| 14:36.55 | rajan | can any student know about dublicate thing before hand ? |
| 14:36.58 | aghisla | everybody join #off-topic! |
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| 14:37.36 | kblin | rajan: well, depends |
| 14:37.59 | kblin | rajan: if you only applied to one org, you can be certain you're not creating duplicates |
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| 14:38.36 | kblin | rajan: if you applied to two orgs and told both which you would prefer to work on, you're probably not a dup anymore |
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| 14:39.21 | kblin | rajan: if you were contacted by a mentor or org admin askin about your preferences, you're probably a dup, unless you told them, then it's probably resolved |
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| 14:39.52 | devvrat | #off-topic gets noisy :P |
| 14:39.52 | rajan | well,how can i give my words to an org where I am not even sure,if I will be accepted ? |
| 14:40.22 | Corsix | "At this moment in time, if I had the choice between all my applications, I would choose X, then Y, then Z" |
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| 14:42.39 | kblin | orudge`: hi there |
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| 14:44.13 | qiaoqian | I am spending the night, who is during the day? |
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| 14:44.34 | toad_ | can we reallocate mentors at this stage? the webapp still allows it but the timeline says not |
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| 14:45.18 | kblin | toad_: I think you can change mentors during the program if needed |
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| 14:45.49 | toad_ | what about students? |
| 14:46.20 | nuba | heh |
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| 14:47.40 | bcarlyon|laptop | toad_, no |
| 14:47.40 | kblin | you can't change students after the 20th |
| 14:47.41 | toad_ | I mean is it a problem if we change which students are accepted? |
| 14:48.16 | toad_ | we cant change students after today; can we change students after 0700 UTC today? |
| 14:48.45 | kblin | if melange still allows it, you probably can |
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| 14:51.52 | ajuonline | ah sorry got dc |
| 14:51.53 | ajuonline | :P |
| 14:52.00 | ajuonline | mdc: i was just pulling legs ;) |
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| 14:59.50 | shikhar | !logs |
| 14:59.50 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 15:07.53 | tntcoda | do students get to chose a preference in tonights duplicate meeting? Or is it solely for the orgs to decide between themselves? |
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| 15:08.20 | kblin | tntcoda: orgs can ask, but don't have to |
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| 15:08.34 | tntcoda | i see, thanks kblin |
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| 15:09.00 | kblin | tntcoda: it's better if you let the orgs know about your preferences beforehand |
| 15:09.18 | tntcoda | Ok thanks |
| 15:09.19 | ajuonline | that meet is in about 3 hours? |
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| 15:11.01 | qiaoqian | When |
| 15:11.13 | tntcoda | ~3hrs yes, 18:00 UTC |
| 15:11.28 | toad_ | how much of a problem have people found timezone issues to be ? |
| 15:11.49 | kblin | toad_: not that much |
| 15:12.02 | qiaoqian | Tooo much |
| 15:12.09 | toad_ | my org can take 5 students with 2 matched to mentors in opposite timezones, or 4 students without ... |
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| 15:12.46 | kblin | toad_: I'm from Germany, and had an easier time talking to my mentors from California and Australia than I had talking to my German mentor in the third year :) |
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| 15:13.52 | toad_ | well, we can have a hong kong based mentor for an indian student, or HK mentor for a UK student and a UK mentor for a indian student |
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| 15:13.58 | vedlith | timezones are ... ellastic things for students ;) |
| 15:14.09 | relix | especially in the summer |
| 15:14.25 | relix | personally my bio clock gets very messed up |
| 15:14.41 | vedlith | yea <_< |
| 15:14.42 | toad_ | on the other hand, real time chat can be pretty important sometimes |
| 15:14.48 | toad_ | emails are too easy to ignore :) |
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| 15:15.04 | kblin | toad_: it's really no big issue, there's significant "awake time overlap", I guess |
| 15:15.13 | toad_ | ok |
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| 15:15.33 | toad_ | no conflicting opinions? |
| 15:15.53 | [particle]- | the world is flat |
| 15:16.01 | kblin | HK is at.. UTC+0800, UK is at UTC+0100 |
| 15:16.12 | kblin | that's a 7 hour difference only |
| 15:16.17 | toad_ | india is even more iirc |
| 15:16.39 | toad_ | oh, 5.5 |
| 15:16.40 | toad_ | hmmmm |
| 15:16.59 | kblin | +0530 UTC |
| 15:17.02 | kblin | yeah |
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| 15:17.57 | kblin | toad_: as I said, I managed to even chat with an australian and a californian guy in IRC at the same time |
| 15:18.07 | toad_ | yeah, i've done that too |
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| 15:18.35 | kblin | toad_: and I was a first year student back then, so I figure if I could do it, so can others |
| 15:19.02 | [particle]- | parrot has weekly status meetings at 1830utc, which seems to work well |
| 15:19.09 | alanp | kblin, which projects have you done work on for gsoc? |
| 15:19.36 | vedlith | If someone picks me, I can add switching to his/her timezone gratis xD |
| 15:19.37 | [particle]- | that is, if you need a sync time |
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| 15:20.32 | kblin | alanp: Wine and Samba |
| 15:20.42 | [particle]- | we have folks from hawaii, slovakia, mainland china, australia, new york, austria, all meet at that time |
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| 15:22.16 | kblin | toad_: that said, I'd do my student/mentor matching by area of work proximity, not by physical location proximity |
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| 15:24.13 | toad_ | kblin: yes |
| 15:25.32 | getxsick | short question, at this moment, if there is a conflict, and one organisation will take a student, second organisation can take another student or it looses a slot? |
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| 15:27.04 | MatthewWilkes | getxsick: If they're at the meeting they can take another, if they miss the meeting anything could happen |
| 15:27.38 | getxsick | ah ok |
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| 15:30.38 | kblin | time to head home, see you later folks |
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| 15:30.56 | mdc_mobile | bye kblin |
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| 15:36.20 | vinod | were duplicates resolved? |
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| 15:36.43 | ojwb | vinod: some |
| 15:36.46 | osuosl_gchaix | vinod: meeting is happening in a few hours in #gsoc_resolve |
| 15:36.48 | ojwb | the meeting hasn't happened yet |
| 15:36.59 | vinod | ok |
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| 15:37.20 | vinod | few hours ? in how many hrs ? |
| 15:37.26 | holger | 1800 utc |
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| 15:38.16 | disismt | vinod, 3 hrs left |
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| 15:38.31 | vinod | k thanx |
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| 15:39.36 | Catfish_Man | g'day leslie |
| 15:39.50 | lhawthorn | Catfish_Man: and to thee |
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| 15:40.30 | OSGeo_Wolf | hey lh! |
| 15:40.32 | Catfish_Man | is there anything in particular I could be helpful with in managing chaos hour today? I can make sure to be around then if I'll be useful |
| 15:40.40 | lh | OSGeo_Wolf: hello dear, how are you? |
| 15:40.49 | BarryCarlyon | puts the kettle on |
| 15:40.50 | disismt | hi lh |
| 15:40.58 | lh | Catfish_Man: yes, actually, if you could log #gsoc-resolve and generally direct traffic, that'd be awesome |
| 15:41.01 | lh | disismt: hello |
| 15:41.01 | OSGeo_Wolf | lh: fine, and trying to figure out how to please everyone... |
| 15:41.04 | Catfish_Man | roger wilco |
| 15:41.05 | lh | BarryCarlyon: thank you |
| 15:41.16 | lh | OSGeo_Wolf: good luck. i have had epic fail in that regard. :) |
| 15:41.19 | lh | Catfish_Man: thank you dear |
| 15:41.35 | BarryCarlyon | Woo kettles boiled. |
| 15:41.41 | BarryCarlyon | Heres your Green Tea lh. |
| 15:41.46 | BarryCarlyon | hands lh a Green Tea |
| 15:41.49 | lh | BarryCarlyon: merci! |
| 15:41.51 | lh | enjoys |
| 15:41.54 | MatthewWilkes | tea++ |
| 15:41.55 | BarryCarlyon | :-) |
| 15:42.01 | relix | need cookies with that |
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| 15:42.11 | OSGeo_Wolf | tea++! :) |
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| 15:42.19 | BarryCarlyon | hands MatthewWilkes a cup of hot water and a box which has a selection of teas in to pick from |
| 15:42.20 | MatthewWilkes | relix: You mean rich tea biscuits |
| 15:42.23 | ajuonline | Catfish_Man: i can haz fish? |
| 15:42.23 | lh | <3's tea |
| 15:42.29 | ajuonline | lh: hola :) |
| 15:42.29 | MatthewWilkes | BarryCarlyon: Thanks, but I just made a cuppa |
| 15:42.34 | lh | ajuonline: hello dear |
| 15:42.40 | Catfish_Man | ajuonline: negatory |
| 15:42.42 | aghisla | coooookies |
| 15:42.43 | aghisla | coming |
| 15:42.50 | relix | MatthewWilkes sure |
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| 15:42.58 | OSGeo_Wolf | lh, so which kind do you prefer? green or black and what kind? |
| 15:42.59 | aghisla | nut cookies |
| 15:43.05 | OSGeo_Wolf | prefers sencha |
| 15:43.10 | BarryCarlyon | OSGeo_Wolf, lh likes green |
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| 15:43.28 | lh | OSGeo_Wolf: depends on my mood, usually green. black at times. favorite is peppermint, though technically this is a tissane |
| 15:43.38 | OSGeo_Wolf | :) |
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| 15:43.48 | Catfish_Man | likes green w/out milk, or black with |
| 15:44.09 | Garuma | !next |
| 15:44.10 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 15:44.46 | summatusmentis | meh, I drink green teas at night, for the non-caffeine |
| 15:44.55 | summatusmentis | otherwise I prefer variants of black |
| 15:44.58 | OSGeo_Wolf | does anyone know what open source is in Swedish? |
| 15:45.01 | aghisla | uhm I knew tea contained teine |
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| 15:45.34 | OSGeo_Wolf | earl gray black with cream is very nice when sailing during the night |
| 15:45.41 | OSGeo_Wolf | energy + caffeine :) |
| 15:45.50 | OSGeo_Wolf | plus its easy to make |
| 15:46.10 | aghisla | hmm I'll try it |
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| 15:46.37 | MatthewWilkes | It's all about Assam, unadulterated |
| 15:46.39 | emathias | !logs |
| 15:46.39 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 15:46.49 | summatusmentis | OSGeo_Wolf: I've been drinking http://teasource.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=3015&Category_Code=Blend&Product_Count=26 |
| 15:46.56 | summatusmentis | it's _awesome_ |
| 15:47.10 | vinod | lresende: hi |
| 15:47.39 | vinod | lresende: i was not selected it seems. |
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| 15:48.00 | OSGeo_Wolf | summatusmentis: that sounds wonderful! :) |
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| 15:48.27 | ajhais | hi all.. |
| 15:48.29 | OSGeo_Wolf | hi aghisla! :) |
| 15:48.39 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: That does sound good. |
| 15:48.40 | aghisla | hi OSGeo_Wolf! |
| 15:48.42 | summatusmentis | OSGeo_Wolf: :-D otherwise I tend towards earl grey or jasmine |
| 15:48.51 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: it really is :) |
| 15:48.59 | OSGeo_Wolf | jasmin is one of my usuals |
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| 15:51.25 | MatthewWilkes | ooh, Python 2.6.2 â coolio |
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| 15:53.26 | freenet_toad | +e |
| 15:53.33 | Catfish_Man | +/ |
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| 15:53.54 | ajuonline | the "watchers" dont need to do a nick change, right? ;) |
| 15:54.09 | rkatiyar | opps |
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| 15:54.16 | plone_mwilkes | Lennie! |
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| 15:54.25 | ajuonline | oyo Lennie ! |
| 15:54.35 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: are you watching? I won't be able to be there for all of it :( |
| 15:54.43 | Lennie | hi matthew and ajuonline :) |
| 15:54.59 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: lsat year i missed it, sounded fun. so this year, maybe yeh :P |
| 15:55.06 | Lennie | ajuonline, I can control the weather, ring a bell? |
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| 15:55.21 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: I missed it last year too, might be fun, could be boring |
| 15:55.31 | ajuonline | Lennie: nope :/ yet to see the new one. |
| 15:55.33 | ajuonline | i have it. |
| 15:55.38 | Lennie | ajuonline, okay have fun :) |
| 15:55.41 | ajuonline | both Heroes and TBBT |
| 15:55.50 | Lennie | last TBBT of the season :( |
| 15:55.58 | summatusmentis | STOP WATCHING HEROES |
| 15:56.03 | summatusmentis | >_> |
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| 15:56.09 | Lennie | and do what? write code :P? |
| 15:56.35 | summatusmentis | Lennie: anythinb but that. It's just so bad, we shouldn't be encouraging them :-P |
| 15:56.48 | summatusmentis | s/anythinb/anything/ |
| 15:57.04 | Lennie | :D |
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| 15:57.25 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: u suck :P |
| 15:57.29 | lh | ^5s lennie |
| 15:57.38 | Lennie | hi lh |
| 15:57.40 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: harsh :) |
| 15:57.52 | lh | summatusmentis: agreed. good. lord. took a great series and turned it into a big old pile o' poo. and that's being generous. |
| 15:58.04 | vladikof | Google summer of Heroes? |
| 15:58.21 | summatusmentis | lh: exactly. I was really happy with it first season. Second was ok |
| 15:58.26 | summatusmentis | after that, downhill |
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| 15:59.54 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: first was great. second sucked. third is still good :P |
| 15:59.54 | ajuonline | the latest ones |
| 15:59.54 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: it's... no |
| 15:59.54 | summatusmentis | so much angst |
| 15:59.54 | vladikof | you try making a show with a time traveler : P lol |
| 16:00.02 | summatusmentis | I started watching this season, and stopped after maybe the first 4 or 5 episodes |
| 16:00.17 | lut4rp | Lost++ :) |
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| 16:01.58 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: still. u suck :P |
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| 16:02.15 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: ;_; |
| 16:02.44 | ankitg | ajuonline: summatusmentis does not suck ... be nice to him. |
| 16:03.00 | Lennie | it's a good season of hereoes though :P |
| 16:03.01 | plone_mwilkes | hehe, people are copying my nickname thinking it's a fad |
| 16:03.09 | shikhar | kim should get killed |
| 16:03.16 | Lennie | anyhow, skipping to another subject |
| 16:03.17 | kblin | morning lh :) |
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| 16:03.23 | Lennie | movies |
| 16:03.26 | Lennie | Star Trek ! :) |
| 16:03.27 | NicDumZ | in a way, it's a good thing that gsoc is not increasing too much over the last year. It would have been terrible to solve all the dupes |
| 16:03.39 | summatusmentis | shikhar: no, claire should get killed |
| 16:03.49 | shikhar | summatusmentis: uhoh thats what i meant |
| 16:03.53 | shikhar | summatusmentis: been watching 24 lately |
| 16:04.07 | summatusmentis | Lennie: I've never watched any star trek, but I'm super excited for the new movie :) |
| 16:04.11 | shikhar | same thing, really... teenage bimbos |
| 16:04.22 | summatusmentis | well, yeah, whatever :) |
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| 16:04.56 | sanooj | never watched star trek? hand in your geek card, sir! |
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| 16:05.36 | summatusmentis | sanooj: too young :) |
| 16:05.58 | summatusmentis | I remember my dad watching star trek, and I've seen a couple of the older movies |
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| 16:06.20 | Lennie | The new movie has a dark theme |
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| 16:06.34 | Lennie | I like it :) |
| 16:06.42 | danderson | sshh |
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| 16:06.45 | danderson | no spoiling now |
| 16:06.58 | Lennie | I only have one problem though, there is a foreign actor in there who plays in comedy series |
| 16:07.05 | Lennie | I can't take him for a bad guy :p |
| 16:07.48 | Lennie | anyhow, ttyl |
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| 16:07.55 | Lennie | channel is getting busy :) |
| 16:08.11 | plone_mwilkes | but it's got Simon Pegg as Scotty! |
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| 16:09.23 | shirish_ | hi |
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| 16:32.36 | davidlt | !logs |
| 16:32.36 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 16:34.33 | pavelo | !next |
| 16:34.33 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 16:34.55 | pavelo | lol @last sentence |
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| 16:36.16 | lh | kblin: and to thee |
| 16:36.33 | lh | Lennie: ready for the #gsoc-resolve madness? |
| 16:36.47 | dberkholz | got all our dupes set, afaik. |
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| 16:37.23 | Lennie | hmm that's in 1.5h right? |
| 16:37.28 | Lennie | lh, I still have to eat :p |
| 16:37.45 | ThomasWaldmann | is very happy about the 4th slot, thanks to all orgs giving back slots :) |
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| 16:40.13 | ajuonline | Lennie: its Comic Book day - Wednesday |
| 16:40.17 | Lennie | no |
| 16:40.21 | Lennie | It's anything can happen thursday :p |
| 16:40.22 | ajuonline | then? |
| 16:40.26 | ajuonline | bah, its tomorrow! |
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| 16:40.37 | ajuonline | today is Comic Book day. |
| 16:40.41 | ankitg | ajuonline: it's Thursday where I am =) |
| 16:40.41 | ajuonline | you lesser mind! |
| 16:40.48 | ajuonline | :P |
| 16:41.03 | ankitg | tomorrow is, ride the fire eagle danger day! :D |
| 16:41.25 | ajuonline | when is the bring all chicks day? |
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| 16:41.27 | Venus_Mars | tomorrow is anything can happen Thrusday |
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| 16:41.41 | ajuonline | oops :P |
| 16:41.54 | JefferyM | next time you go to a farm |
| 16:42.04 | ankitg | ajuonline: you forgot this channel is logged, didn't you? ;) |
| 16:42.22 | ajuonline | ankitg: noone read that. shhhh! |
| 16:42.32 | JefferyM | riiiggghhhhttttt |
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| 16:42.43 | ankitg | read what? |
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| 16:45.56 | dberkholz | i don't recall what the rule was on giving students some idea of whether they are likely to make/miss the cut so they can carry on with job offers and such, and i'm doing a bad job of searching for it. |
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| 16:46.49 | Catfish_Man | dberkholz: I believe it's discouraged but not disallowed, but I could be misremembering |
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| 16:47.13 | dberkholz | i've got a student who is getting a lot of pressure from a company to reply asap |
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| 16:47.32 | ajuonline | dberkholz: and he has to make a choice between gsoc/job? |
| 16:47.36 | dberkholz | yes |
| 16:47.40 | JefferyM | I don't belive you should tell all your students "you are in" |
| 16:47.54 | ajuonline | exceptions can be made. for the good. |
| 16:47.58 | ajuonline | dberkholz: ^ |
| 16:48.04 | ajuonline | just a suggestion. |
| 16:48.06 | JefferyM | but if it's a critical issue, you can give them an 'idea' of what there chances are |
| 16:48.13 | lh | ajuonline: bring all chicks day? |
| 16:48.18 | ajuonline | ouch |
| 16:48.22 | NicDumZ | :) |
| 16:48.23 | lh | Lennie|Food: eat! |
| 16:48.24 | ajuonline | lh: you never read that. |
| 16:48.30 | ajuonline | hides |
| 16:48.31 | lh | ajuonline: i most certainly did. shame on you. |
| 16:48.47 | dqminh | ajuonline, and so you said noone would read that :) |
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| 16:48.48 | JefferyM | ajuonline, yu have to respect the ladies, and they will respect you. Unless you really like farms. |
| 16:48.51 | lh | JefferyM: correct. |
| 16:48.52 | ajuonline | lh: you should watch the latest episode of TBBT |
| 16:48.58 | lh | tbbt? |
| 16:49.03 | ajuonline | big bang theory. |
| 16:49.04 | ajhais | a doubt... do the mentors or admins get to know what are all the orgs that a student has applied for.. or just the orgs that they got duplication with... ? |
| 16:49.11 | JefferyM | that show SUCKED |
| 16:49.19 | ajuonline | ok not again! |
| 16:49.38 | PearlJam | its getting lame now. earlier it was good. as with most TV shows, there comes a saturation point. |
| 16:49.40 | ajuonline | this happened to me last year as well, with lh XD |
| 16:49.59 | JefferyM | ajhais, in the past we've only really talked to the ones with conficts |
| 16:50.06 | ajuonline | hands lh cookies |
| 16:50.08 | ajuonline | there there |
| 16:50.08 | JefferyM | some students apply for a LOT of orgs ;) |
| 16:50.13 | ajuonline | Lennie|Food: ^ |
| 16:50.30 | JefferyM | is happy for no conficts this time, and very strong apps |
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| 16:51.21 | ajhais | jefferyM: do the orgs get to see all the applications of a student or just the application that is made to their org? |
| 16:51.44 | JefferyM | just the one for there org |
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| 16:51.53 | JefferyM | if there is a confict it says "confict with ...." |
| 16:51.58 | JefferyM | and you go talk to that org, etc.. |
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| 16:52.06 | JefferyM | and then they fight |
| 16:52.13 | ajuonline | Cage Match |
| 16:52.13 | JefferyM | with these big woden sticks |
| 16:52.16 | ajhais | JefferyM: thanks... :) |
| 16:52.18 | JefferyM | over a vat of jello |
| 16:52.20 | Mek | actually, the web app can't show conflicts |
| 16:52.22 | JefferyM | it's rather fun |
| 16:52.28 | ajuonline | JefferyM: its a Cage Match. |
| 16:52.28 | JefferyM | it can't? |
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| 16:52.32 | JefferyM | the last one did |
| 16:52.38 | KillerX | Nope, the list is generated manually this time around |
| 16:52.39 | JefferyM | honestly they are just resolved in IRC by the orgs |
| 16:52.44 | JefferyM | ahh |
| 16:52.47 | JefferyM | well there is a list ;) |
| 16:52.51 | JefferyM | and it gets resolved |
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| 16:53.11 | JefferyM | USUSALY one org dosn't show to the resolution metting or they have worked it out before |
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| 16:56.06 | JefferyM | is still happy that he has no conflicts |
| 16:56.32 | dberkholz | we had 2, both are worked out now |
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| 16:57.05 | JefferyM | this year most of our good applicants submited more then one app to us, instead of spreading it out to other orgs :) |
| 16:57.37 | ajuonline | self-conflict :P |
| 16:58.02 | atulagrwl_ | JefferyM, which org? |
| 16:58.08 | JefferyM | bzflag |
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| 16:58.24 | ajuonline | although I have never played that game. it rocks! |
| 16:58.27 | ajuonline | JefferyM: ^ |
| 16:58.42 | JefferyM | naw self confict isn't the issue, we've always had problems where multiple good students apply for the same task, and we can't accept them all, so multiple apps is great cus we can put all the good students in |
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| 16:59.01 | JefferyM | last year we had to turn away some good smart people just because we had like 8 apps for the same task |
| 16:59.09 | tntcoda | its gonna be a long 5 days :( |
| 16:59.19 | vladikof | Five Days , dun dun dun |
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| 17:09.58 | kpreid | lh: may I as a gsoc student discuss a matter of project preference with you? one of my potential mentors suggested I should contact you. |
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| 17:14.19 | kpreid | ...? |
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| 17:16.02 | ankitg | zooko, kpreid ... try #gsoc-resolve =) |
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| 17:16.21 | summatusmentis | that's not happening for another 45 minutes right? |
| 17:16.21 | kpreid | I heard students-are-not-welcome-to-participate |
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| 17:16.33 | ajuonline | kpreid: wrong. they are welcome to observe. |
| 17:16.44 | kpreid | and I cannot be present for the designated time - I have a class in 44 minutes. |
| 17:16.46 | ajuonline | unless they have a conflict. but there still an hours time almost. |
| 17:16.56 | ajuonline | kpreid: so you can still talk there, with lh |
| 17:17.56 | shirish_ | !topic |
| 17:17.56 | socinfo | "topic" is Read it! /topic will show it again. |
| 17:18.06 | shirish_ | !next |
| 17:18.06 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 17:20.52 | lh | SRabbelier: ping - pawel is calling you it is important |
| 17:21.04 | lh | goes to talk to kpreid |
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| 17:24.41 | freenet_toad | typo3_IngoRenner: only if it's a good student - a good project does not make a good GSoC |
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| 17:39.45 | kblin | Corsix: I'd appreciate if people would keep the socializing here and the resolving in #gsoc-resolve :) |
| 17:40.04 | Corsix | kblin: I'll go back to being quiet then :) |
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| 17:40.08 | Landon | epic test curves ftw :) |
| 17:40.10 | Landon | 59 == high C |
| 17:40.26 | tcoppi | lol yeah I just had a test like that |
| 17:40.28 | tcoppi | 55 = b+ |
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| 17:41.04 | kblin | Corsix: not to pick on you, but #gsoc-resolve is hard enough to follow without idle chatter |
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| 17:41.53 | PrashantV | in a formal lang./logic course i took once the class average was below passing marks ;) |
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| 17:44.53 | Xano_ | !next |
| 17:44.53 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 17:48.44 | Onix | . H . E . L . L . O . #gsoc . H . E . L . L . O . |
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| 17:50.13 | aghisla | hi rf_prea |
| 17:50.15 | SRabbelier | lh: hey |
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| 17:50.42 | rf_prea | aghisla: karibu sana |
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| 17:51.13 | Landon | tcoppi: automaton test? |
| 17:51.33 | tcoppi | yes, formal languages & automata |
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| 17:52.52 | kblin | hm, drinks |
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| 17:56.25 | lh | SRabbelier: hello dear. |
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| 17:56.47 | SRabbelier | lh: how's you? |
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| 17:58.27 | lh | SRabbelier: good. go into #gsoc-resolve so i can give you ops |
| 17:58.30 | lh | :) |
| 17:58.54 | summatusmentis | lh: for clarification, students can watchin #gsoc-resolve, right? |
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| 17:59.15 | ankitg | summatusmentis: yes they can watch ... |
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| 17:59.21 | aghisla | there are plenty of them there |
| 17:59.29 | summatusmentis | just making sure |
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| 17:59.33 | ankitg | summatusmentis: it's almost over ... only 4 conflicts left |
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| 17:59.45 | summatusmentis | wait.. what? |
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| 17:59.56 | summatusmentis | I thought it was in like a minute |
| 18:00.01 | summatusmentis | crap :( |
| 18:00.06 | ankitg | summatusmentis: officially .. yes |
| 18:00.06 | Landon | summatusmentis missed all the gossip? :p |
| 18:00.21 | rf_prea | it IS almost in |
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| 18:00.32 | ankitg | summatusmentis: fret not ... catfishman is being kind enough to put up a log ... |
| 18:00.43 | summatusmentis | bum deal |
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| 18:00.52 | summatusmentis | I'll read the log then, I guess |
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| 18:01.35 | tmclaren | what conflicts still exist? |
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| 18:02.20 | joomla_tonimarie | summatusmentis don't feel bad, there were only 4 when we logged on this morning |
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| 18:02.44 | joomla_tonimarie | it seems orgs are resolving among themselves anyway |
| 18:02.50 | summatusmentis | joomla_tonimarie: I'm not worried about it, I was just hoping to see it |
| 18:02.58 | summatusmentis | I suppose that's reasonable, and warranted |
| 18:03.00 | GenMAPP_Alex | the meeting happened already? |
| 18:03.13 | aghisla | it is happening now |
| 18:03.14 | globus_borja | summatusmentis: the meeting is starting now |
| 18:03.23 | globus_borja | summatusmentis: but it turns out there's only 4 conflicts |
| 18:03.23 | joomla_tonimarie | I dunno leslie is getting to it now |
| 18:03.24 | aghisla | lh intro |
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| 18:03.39 | summatusmentis | globus_borja: cool |
| 18:04.08 | amol | meeting is on...to resolve 4 duplicates |
| 18:04.10 | rf_prea | my gosh, join #gsoc-resolve and *observe*! |
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| 18:05.59 | aghisla | claps hands |
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| 18:06.18 | kblin | yay :) |
| 18:06.33 | kr0y | party started :) |
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| 18:11.24 | brion | lh: It looks like we might end up giving up one spot from Wikimedia unless I get a confirmation from one of our mentors that they want to rehabilitate a project. :) |
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| 18:15.56 | Landon | :( I was expecting some more cage fights |
| 18:16.04 | relix | yeah |
| 18:16.06 | PrashantV | lol |
| 18:16.06 | relix | it's already done :( |
| 18:16.12 | Landon | feels let down, but will buy tickets for next years |
| 18:16.28 | relix | we need to bring chairs or something |
| 18:16.30 | relix | to throw in the ring |
| 18:16.46 | antarus | kblin: ok I have twiggled all the necessary bits |
| 18:16.50 | Landon | maybe lf/abi will throw in a surprise :P |
| 18:17.02 | plone-mwilkes | Landon: They'll send the whole house of cards tumbling down |
| 18:17.08 | antarus | oh, heh, I have ops now that my nat cloak is here, scary :x |
| 18:17.10 | *** mode/#gsoc [-o antarus] by antarus |
| 18:17.29 | *** mode/#gsoc [+o antarus] by ChanServ |
| 18:17.40 | kblin | hehe |
| 18:17.49 | relix | throws chair |
| 18:17.50 | kblin | persistent bugger :) |
| 18:18.00 | relix | come on abi, come oooon |
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| 18:18.05 | antarus | stabs scorche|sh |
| 18:18.09 | globus_borja | Murphy's Law dictates that lf/abi resolution will introduce about 10 new conflicts |
| 18:18.10 | scorche|sh | haha |
| 18:18.12 | antarus | scorche|sh: chanserv does tell me when you cheat... |
| 18:18.15 | scorche|sh | whistles innocently |
| 18:18.17 | aghisla | haha |
| 18:18.28 | PrashantV | place bets now :P |
| 18:18.36 | relix | need more chairs |
| 18:18.46 | relix | awww it's already over |
| 18:18.46 | antarus | runs off to lunch |
| 18:18.53 | maximumbob | That was Fast. |
| 18:19.11 | rajan | very quick,hardly any issues |
| 18:19.39 | relix | next year we need to bring midgets |
| 18:19.42 | aghisla | almost all conflicts have been resolved before |
| 18:19.54 | relix | maybe that'll spark the wrestle-reflex |
| 18:19.55 | PrashantV | blacks vs. midgets? |
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| 18:21.15 | meonkeys | does gsoc funding come from the ".org" side of Google? |
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| 18:21.25 | kblin | .org? |
| 18:21.39 | scorche|sh | eh? |
| 18:22.04 | plone-mwilkes | meonkeys: Nope |
| 18:22.22 | kblin | ajhais: whining in here please |
| 18:22.23 | relix | it's from the .edu side |
| 18:22.43 | plone-mwilkes | meonkeys: It's part of google proper, not the save-the-world project. (Not that its aims are very differentâ¦) |
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| 18:22.52 | ajhais | kblin: sorry... :) |
| 18:22.54 | meonkeys | plone-mwilkes: ok, thank you |
| 18:23.17 | relix | so, is there a chance students are notified before the 20th since everything is running so smoothly? |
| 18:23.30 | redhat_nman64 | relix: No. |
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| 18:23.43 | relix | aww |
| 18:23.58 | PrashantV | we need students enough time to chew fingernails so they can type/code more effectively after 20th |
| 18:25.40 | relix | apparently |
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| 18:27.41 | poona | kblin: i just can't recollect, but i have seen you in some irc channel! |
| 18:28.18 | kblin | poona: that happens, I tend to hang out in a few of them :) |
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| 18:28.25 | plone-mwilkes | whey! |
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| 18:28.28 | aghisla | party there!! |
| 18:28.28 | Lennie | turns on the music and opens a bottle of Scotch for all partygoers |
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| 18:28.32 | summatusmentis | where's the fun in that? |
| 18:28.34 | joomla_tonimarie | partayyyyyyy |
| 18:28.35 | joomla_tonimarie | hehe |
| 18:28.35 | etherboot_mdc | Slot resolution complete! |
| 18:28.37 | ninadsp | phew! done so soon! |
| 18:28.38 | aghisla | duplicated students resolved!! |
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| 18:28.48 | plone-mwilkes | Leave your prefixes by the door! |
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| 18:28.49 | joomla_tonimarie | hey lh quick bidness |
| 18:28.53 | amol | meeting concludes at #gs0c-resolve |
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| 18:28.58 | aghisla | beer everyone! |
| 18:29.02 | Lennie | welcome back MatthewWilkes ^^ |
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| 18:29.04 | summatusmentis | amol: you were in the wrong room :) |
| 18:29.06 | joomla_tonimarie | one of our newer mentors tried to get into the gsoc mentors group... and was declined |
| 18:29.08 | Stivo | so will we still have to wait until the 20th even if you are all done? |
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| 18:29.22 | etherboot_mdc | Prior Proper Preparation Promotes Peak Performance! |
| 18:29.23 | summatusmentis | Stivo: yep |
| 18:29.26 | borja | woo woo shortest.meeting.ever. |
| 18:29.32 | kblin | :D |
| 18:29.39 | Stivo | summatusmentis: Damn... |
| 18:29.40 | summatusmentis | s/shortest/most boring/ |
| 18:29.45 | borja | heh |
| 18:29.45 | summatusmentis | Stivo: yep :) |
| 18:29.54 | borja | summatusmentis: yeah, last year's was a lot more fun |
| 18:29.56 | summatusmentis | I was promised cage fighting! |
| 18:30.01 | maximumbob | So what's the point now of waiting five more days? :p |
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| 18:30.13 | borja | maximumbob: something about dogs eating monitors, apparently |
| 18:30.18 | lh | joomla_tonimarie: state your bidness |
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| 18:30.24 | maximumbob | (I'm assuming this meeting traditionally takes 3+ days :p) |
| 18:30.26 | MatthewWilkes | Lennie: Thanks. You weren't melange-lennie though. For shame. |
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| 18:30.33 | elb_ | maximumbob: patience is a virtue and we only want virtuous students in SoC |
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| 18:30.39 | Lennie | MatthewWilkes, I knew we didnt had duplicates :p |
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| 18:30.44 | elb_ | it's to weed out the impatients |
| 18:30.47 | toni_marie | LH: hehe gsoc mentors list |
| 18:30.47 | lh | ? |
| 18:30.53 | sid0 | boring :P |
| 18:30.53 | MatthewWilkes | elb_: Nonsense - a former SoC project with Plone was called "Vice" |
| 18:31.02 | toni_marie | one of our newer mentors tried to join and got DENIED |
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| 18:31.11 | lh | toni_marie: okey dokey, tell him or her to email me wiht address to sub, ccyouso you can bouch |
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| 18:31.14 | lh | crap |
| 18:31.16 | elb_ | MatthewWilkes: shhhhhhh don't tell the students |
| 18:31.20 | lh | i swear i haven't had the scotch yet |
| 18:31.27 | joomla_jennifer | hehe |
| 18:31.28 | toni_marie | hehe I'll email you the name and email and whatnot |
| 18:31.33 | lh | toni_marie: cc you on the email so you can vouch |
| 18:31.34 | toni_marie | I just wondered if there was another reason |
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| 18:31.37 | toni_marie | right |
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| 18:31.58 | kblin | lh: we all know you're just in a hurry to _get_ the scotch |
| 18:32.12 | avox | !beer lh |
| 18:32.12 | socinfo | Error: "beer" is not a valid command. |
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| 18:32.17 | mrscribe | avox buys a round for lh |
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| 18:32.20 | lh | i take data pulls from the gsoc 2009 site and do mass adds. then i usually deny all add requests because they are from randoms. like icanhazcodez@gmail.com |
| 18:32.20 | summatusmentis | are we giving out scotch to everyone? |
| 18:32.21 | lh | good lord |
| 18:32.24 | lh | mrscribe: thank you |
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| 18:32.29 | lh | summatusmentis: sure. |
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| 18:32.33 | lh | sets up the bar |
| 18:32.46 | avox | decides that scribus brings drinks for the party |
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| 18:32.54 | summatusmentis | notes the lack of black Xs on his hands |
| 18:32.57 | avox | !party |
| 18:32.57 | socinfo | Error: "party" is not a valid command. |
| 18:32.58 | mrscribe | avox hands out bottles of fresh beer and pretzels, sparklers and streamers to everyone. |
| 18:33.03 | joomla_ianmac | ian_mac |
| 18:33.04 | aghisla | brings glasses |
| 18:33.15 | avox | socinfo is a bore... |
| 18:33.15 | socinfo | Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
| 18:33.20 | kblin | joomla_ianmac: irc fail? |
| 18:33.22 | etherboot_mdc | reminds org admins to set up Home Pages :) |
| 18:33.28 | joomla_ianmac | doh |
| 18:33.30 | joomla_ianmac | yeah |
| 18:33.34 | toni_marie | I think ianmac forgot /nick |
| 18:33.36 | joomla_ianmac | blushes |
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| 18:33.46 | toni_marie | it's all about re-remembering IRC |
| 18:33.48 | ian_mac | there we go |
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| 18:34.04 | ian_mac | thanks kblin |
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| 18:34.24 | elb_ | there certainly is a fixation on alcohol within the FOSS community, given the number of teetotalers I've known |
| 18:34.50 | toni_marie | seriously the next Joomla Day is now known as JoomlaNight |
| 18:34.58 | lh | elb_: it's because one is consistently forced to deal with people equally pedantic and stubborn to oneself. |
| 18:35.00 | lh | puts on music |
| 18:35.05 | lea_w | Hm... How do I find out if I'm accepted? (Sorry about my serious confusion.) |
| 18:35.06 | aghisla | yeah |
| 18:35.10 | lh | "i am putting me a bar in the back of my car and driving myself to drink" |
| 18:35.11 | avox | !water elb |
| 18:35.11 | socinfo | Error: "water" is not a valid command. |
| 18:35.14 | mrscribe | avox sends elb a glass of refreshing mountain water from the Alps. |
| 18:35.24 | lh | lea_w: you don't find out until 20 April. You should know that. |
| 18:35.30 | MatthewWilkes | "Drinking problem? You're damn right I've got a drinking problem! I'm all out of Gin!" |
| 18:35.36 | lh | MatthewWilkes: awesome. |
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| 18:35.58 | lea_w | lh: So how do I know if I have to do duplicate resolution? Would my organizations tell me? |
| 18:36.02 | lh | mrscribe: thank you. |
| 18:36.13 | kblin | lea_w: it's all over already |
| 18:36.16 | lh | lea_w: yes and it didn't come up for you. so you're golden. |
| 18:36.21 | lea_w | Cool! :) |
| 18:36.30 | harrynguyen | hi, guys. have student allocations for every orgs been finalized ? |
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| 18:36.35 | ian_mac | jennifer_marriott |
| 18:36.38 | ian_mac | doh |
| 18:36.41 | OSGeo_Wolf | /nich Wolf_OSGeo |
| 18:36.50 | jennifermarriott | nice Ian |
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| 18:37.06 | kblin | kenny47: so all you need to do is to wait for next monday :) |
| 18:37.08 | kblin | er |
| 18:37.12 | prea | harrynguyen: yes |
| 18:37.16 | kblin | lea_w: so all you need to do is to wait for next monday :) |
| 18:37.19 | ian_mac | ignore me folks |
| 18:37.23 | mithro | yay for 4:00am fire drills :( |
| 18:37.27 | kblin | tab completion fail |
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| 18:37.30 | lea_w | kblin: Thanks a lot! |
| 18:37.31 | kblin | mithro: ouch |
| 18:37.34 | jennifermarriott | so we have scotch, gin, beer, music |
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| 18:37.44 | Wolf_OSGeo | mithro: I feel for you |
| 18:37.54 | MatthewWilkes | jennifermarriott: And Cider! |
| 18:37.55 | Lennie | SRabbelier, I think this party is missing Bitterballen :P |
| 18:37.55 | firesoul | guess its party time inside the channel :P |
| 18:37.57 | harrynguyen | prea, thanks. will there be any adjustments before 20 Apr ? |
| 18:38.00 | mithro | so duplicate resolution all done? |
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| 18:38.06 | mordante | yep |
| 18:38.09 | ian_mac | yes |
| 18:38.10 | ian_mac | apparently so |
| 18:38.14 | SRabbelier | Lennie: it is for sure! |
| 18:38.16 | prea | harrynguyen: no, AFAIK |
| 18:38.17 | lh | wanders off in search of food |
| 18:38.21 | aghisla | belgian wafflesfor all |
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| 18:38.31 | ian_mac | mmmmm waffles |
| 18:38.31 | aghisla | a belgian waffle for lh |
| 18:38.34 | borja | harrynguyen: there can still be changes; nothing is final until it's final |
| 18:38.45 | Lennie | lh, had a waffle during FOSDEM I think :D |
| 18:38.47 | elb | lh: seems plausible |
| 18:38.50 | makarov_wk | can someone comment gsoc-resolve? |
| 18:38.53 | *** part/#gsoc ramiro (n=ramiro@189.4.82.62) |
| 18:38.54 | summatusmentis | this is the most traffic #gsoc has seen in days |
| 18:38.56 | MatthewWilkes | I guess I better go and do my homework |
| 18:39.06 | Lennie | ::: User peak in #gsoc: 562 (15/04/09) |
| 18:39.08 | borja | summatusmentis: we have to make up for how anticlimactic the conflict resolution meeting was |
| 18:39.08 | elb | makarov_wk: all duplicates are resolved, there's nothing to talk about |
| 18:39.10 | kblin | mithro: that was the fastest resolution meeting ever |
| 18:39.12 | harrynguyen | !numapps |
| 18:39.12 | socinfo | "numapps" is This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam. There are 5900 proposals from 3500 students. |
| 18:39.12 | mrscribe | harrynguyen: Error: "numapps" is not a valid command. |
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| 18:39.18 | kblin | Lennie: bah |
| 18:39.19 | summatusmentis | borja: that's very true |
| 18:39.27 | mithro | kblin: well that is good to hear |
| 18:39.29 | Lennie | kblin ? |
| 18:39.36 | relix | does this mean there will be less students accepted |
| 18:39.36 | relix | ? |
| 18:39.39 | kblin | Lennie: wait for monday :) |
| 18:39.43 | Lennie | hehe |
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| 18:39.48 | relix | or is the amount accepted solely based on the quality of the proposals |
| 18:39.49 | makarov_wk | so there wasnot need to talk to all the visitors? |
| 18:39.49 | kblin | relix: why would it? |
| 18:39.51 | ajuonline | what is Monday? |
| 18:39.59 | ajuonline | Lennie: ^? |
| 18:40.01 | Lennie | The number of accepted students is 1000 |
| 18:40.01 | kblin | kicks ajuonline |
| 18:40.04 | prea | !timeline |
| 18:40.04 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 18:40.04 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: the tstart of the week |
| 18:40.05 | mrscribe | prea: Error: "timeline" is not a valid command. |
| 18:40.08 | mrscribe | Title: Google Summer of Code 2009 Program Timeline (at socghop.appspot.com) |
| 18:40.18 | Lennie | lh has stated that before |
| 18:40.24 | ian_mac | monday is the day after Sunday, and the day before Tuesday |
| 18:40.30 | relix | kblin I don't know if Google sets a limit on the amount of students it'll sponsor, or if it's solely based on the quality of the proposals/students |
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| 18:40.39 | kblin | relix: oh, that |
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| 18:40.44 | kblin | relix: what Lennie said |
| 18:40.49 | ajuonline | the lesser minds dont get a thing about tbtt :P |
| 18:40.52 | ajuonline | tbbt* |
| 18:40.56 | relix | 1000 |
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| 18:41.04 | Lennie | ajuonline, yeah they just laugh like they understand |
| 18:41.11 | ajuonline | :P |
| 18:41.14 | ajuonline | Lennie: ++ |
| 18:41.20 | avox | cyas |
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| 18:41.32 | Lennie | ajuonline, it's just awesome they have a real scientist on the writing team :D |
| 18:41.48 | ajuonline | Lennie: great, i never knew that :P |
| 18:42.07 | ajuonline | no wonder it all sounds so perfect :P |
| 18:42.07 | kblin | ajuonline: Texas Banana Boat Team? |
| 18:42.11 | aghisla | banana boat!! |
| 18:42.14 | ankitg | kblin: the big bang theory |
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| 18:42.22 | ajuonline | especially when Sheldon starts speaking with immense perfection and speed :P |
| 18:42.30 | ankitg | though banana boats are fun too |
| 18:42.31 | Lennie | haha |
| 18:42.31 | Lennie | yeah |
| 18:42.34 | Landon | !chanpeak |
| 18:42.35 | socinfo | Error: "chanpeak" is not a valid command. |
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| 18:42.36 | aghisla | reminds me someone... |
| 18:42.37 | Landon | :o |
| 18:42.40 | Landon | !peak |
| 18:42.40 | socinfo | "peak" is Peak for #gsoc@freenode: 874 (Mon Apr 21 14:44:36 2008) |
| 18:42.45 | Landon | still a bit to go :P |
| 18:42.49 | ajuonline | yeah |
| 18:42.50 | Lennie | hmm |
| 18:43.02 | ajuonline | that was last years results day mayhem |
| 18:43.11 | harrynguyen | wonders how actually Google assign allocations for each org |
| 18:43.17 | SRabbelier | Landon: fancy |
| 18:43.20 | ajuonline | !slots |
| 18:43.21 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 18:43.27 | ajuonline | harrynguyen: ^ |
| 18:43.37 | harrynguyen | ajuonline, it does not apply in my org anyway |
| 18:43.38 | ajuonline | i think that is the *how* part |
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| 18:43.51 | ajuonline | harrynguyen: that is an indication, not a guarantee. |
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| 18:44.18 | ajuonline | harrynguyen: afaik, google still reserves rights. |
| 18:44.34 | harrynguyen | ajuonline, based on the calculation, they may take at least 6, but in fact, there can take only a few. Sad. |
| 18:44.36 | ajuonline | but thats all my personal opinion. |
| 18:45.06 | Lennie | ajuonline, that's right there is room for adjustments in there |
| 18:45.10 | Lennie | since some orgs might want less slots |
| 18:45.21 | kblin | which really happens |
| 18:45.23 | Lennie | *thanks everyone who donated slots back to the pool* |
| 18:45.24 | Ophiuchi | it's a rather handsome gift horse all in all |
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| 18:45.37 | harrynguyen | agrees with Lennie :) |
| 18:45.39 | firesoul | l0nwlf_, i am leaving |
| 18:45.45 | firesoul | :) |
| 18:45.52 | borja | Lennie: +1, we benefited from one of the donated slots |
| 18:45.53 | Lennie | GSoC: It's about giving love, not taking it :P |
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| 18:46.07 | summatusmentis | gives love to everyone |
| 18:46.10 | ajuonline | adds some love to the pool, since he hasnt got any slots. |
| 18:46.20 | harrynguyen | also wonders who is the biggest org in this year |
| 18:46.25 | summatusmentis | wow, I just realized that was a lot grosser than I intended it |
| 18:46.28 | ajuonline | harrynguyen: wait till 20th. |
| 18:46.28 | Lennie | !guess |
| 18:46.29 | socinfo | "guess" is Theres no point guessing anything. Results will be out when they are out. But sure, guessing is fun! :D |
| 18:46.31 | ankitg | mavu! ... how goes it? ... long time no s[l]ee[p] ... |
| 18:46.40 | borja | summatusmentis: I was trying to point that out in a polite way |
| 18:46.47 | ajuonline | ankitg: rofl. |
| 18:46.52 | summatusmentis | borja: yeah... I apologize |
| 18:47.06 | ankitg | ajuonline: heh ... 2:45 am here ... =) |
| 18:47.07 | mavu | ankitg: heya! goes good.. whats up with you? |
| 18:47.25 | MatthewWilkes | !next |
| 18:47.25 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 18:47.29 | harrynguyen | thanks and says good luck! to everyone :) |
| 18:47.35 | ankitg | mavu: nm ... just hanging out with the bright minds at GSoC ... |
| 18:47.46 | borja | summatusmentis: it's all good :-) |
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| 18:48.05 | summatusmentis | runs around in circles |
| 18:48.19 | ajuonline | borja: you can tell me if summatusmentis doesnt behaves well, I can call her sis up, who can take care of it. |
| 18:48.29 | borja | heh |
| 18:48.42 | summatusmentis | ajuonline talks big |
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| 18:49.00 | ajuonline | hides |
| 18:49.00 | ajuonline | :P |
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| 18:49.14 | ankitg | summatusmentis: you can yell me ajuonline bullies you ... I'll take care of him ... |
| 18:49.23 | ankitg | glares at ajuonline ... |
| 18:49.32 | summatusmentis | I bully ajuonline enough, it's all good |
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| 18:49.49 | ankitg | yay |
| 18:49.49 | borja | Now I'm all giddy with excitement about the 20th |
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| 18:50.00 | borja | I'll be in Stockholm that day |
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| 18:50.33 | summatusmentis | Stockholm? cool! |
| 18:50.38 | etherboot_mdc | moin_ThomasW: All is well? :) |
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| 18:50.52 | borja | summatusmentis: and for this: http://icpc.baylor.edu/icpc |
| 18:50.55 | borja | so excited |
| 18:51.01 | ajuonline | etherboot_mdc: its over, now you can change nicks. really. :P |
| 18:51.17 | summatusmentis | borja: you made it :) |
| 18:51.28 | etherboot_mdc | ajuonline: you're kinda bored, aren't you? :) |
| 18:51.30 | summatusmentis | competed in that at the local level |
| 18:51.45 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: boredome? |
| 18:51.47 | borja | summatusmentis: cool... you're in the Mid-Central USA region too, right? |
| 18:51.51 | ajuonline | -e |
| 18:51.59 | ajuonline | etherboot_mdc: like everyone can tell :P |
| 18:52.10 | summatusmentis | borja: yep, we were at umn.edu for it |
| 18:52.11 | borja | summatusmentis: ah, no, North Central |
| 18:52.13 | ajuonline | etherboot_mdc: i do have to go make some tea, want some? |
| 18:52.19 | summatusmentis | oh, I don't know what region, honestly :) |
| 18:52.22 | etherboot_mdc | ajuonline: well, if you hack as much as you IRC, someone's gonna be really lucky to have you :) |
| 18:52.32 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: no... I didn't say bordom |
| 18:52.35 | summatusmentis | boredom* |
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| 18:52.50 | ankitg | is off to the land of Nod ... night folks. |
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| 18:52.57 | summatusmentis | 'night ankitg |
| 18:53.01 | etherboot_mdc | ajuonline: tea would be lovely, thanks. |
| 18:53.03 | ajuonline | etherboot_mdc: not right now. exams and submissions. you need some fun on irc :P |
| 18:53.16 | ankitg | nitez summatusmentis , ajuonline ... |
| 18:53.17 | etherboot_mdc | ajuonline: that we do :) |
| 18:53.37 | summatusmentis | borja: that's super cool that you made it to worlds |
| 18:53.37 | mithro | heads back to bed |
| 18:53.38 | mithro | gnight |
| 18:53.55 | borja | summatusmentis: I'm the team's coach, so 99% of the credit goes to the three undergrads on the team |
| 18:54.05 | IngoRenner | is off for lunch (finally) |
| 18:54.23 | borja | summatusmentis: we're really excited about it; it's the first time since 2001 that UChicago has made it to the finals |
| 18:54.27 | summatusmentis | borja: oh, that's less exciting, but still super cool |
| 18:54.45 | borja | reduces excitement level, ups the coolness |
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| 18:57.11 | borja | Actually, I wonder if there will be any SoC applicants at ICPC; one of our contestants applied this year. I would assume there's some overlap between "people interested in competitive programming" and "people interested in mad coding over the summer". |
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| 18:58.46 | kblin | borja: ICPC? |
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| 18:59.20 | borja | kblin: the ACM International Collegiate Programming Contest |
| 18:59.31 | borja | kblin: World Finals this Tuesday |
| 18:59.43 | Catfish_Man | lh: want the url for the logs file to look over? |
| 18:59.59 | Catfish_Man | (note: needs a recent browser to not look fugly) |
| 19:00.06 | prea | goes to wash dishes... time for housekeeping here! |
| 19:00.25 | kblin | borja: ah, I see, never dabbled in that |
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| 19:00.51 | kblin | borja: then again I prefer to work on stuff I care about |
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| 19:01.11 | lh | Catfish_Man: go ahead and publish it dear, i know we didn't discuss anything that we ought not. is it possible to obfuscate times where student last names were used? |
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| 19:01.23 | borja | kblin: we're in it mostly for the fun of it; some people get way too competitive about it (train an entire quarter for it, etc.) |
| 19:01.24 | lh | mithro: rest well |
| 19:01.27 | Catfish_Man | if you can point them out, yes. It'll need to be done manually |
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| 19:01.34 | borja | kblin: so making it to the finals is just icing on the cake every couple of years |
| 19:01.48 | kblin | borja: fair enough :) |
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| 19:02.45 | lh | Catfish_Man: no problem i know where they were - url please? |
| 19:02.46 | borja | is a big proponent of the "just for fun" philosophy, which gets him in trouble with his dissertation committee now and then... |
| 19:03.13 | lh | borja: no fun. never. learning should be dry, pointless, painful and humorless. |
| 19:03.26 | borja | lh: you should consider a career in academia |
| 19:03.55 | lh | borja: i did. i decided not to. figured my life was better spent helping more people than writing books 6 people would read. |
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| 19:04.27 | lh | "On Nationalism and the Parodied Eucharist: Cannibalism and Other Acts of Social Transgression in the 14th Century English Crusading Romance" |
| 19:04.33 | lh | See, no one wants to read that crap. |
| 19:04.44 | ajuonline | o_O |
| 19:04.53 | borja | lh: yeah, that is one of my frustrations with academia. When I told some colleagues that I felt my research should be open source, have an impact in the community, etc. their main critique is always "that won't get papers published" |
| 19:04.55 | ajuonline | thank god, we have lh here. |
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| 19:05.27 | borja | lh: Fortunately, there's still people who think science and teaching should be fun :-) |
| 19:05.31 | lh | borja: exactly what we're trying to fight at teachingopensource.org with the what publications are good for open source stuff |
| 19:05.41 | lh | advocates fun in science |
| 19:05.48 | borja | lh: teachingopensource.org +1 |
| 19:05.55 | lh | ajuonline: lol. you don't need me dear. you do all of this on your own. i facilitate. |
| 19:06.06 | borja | It annoys me to no end that the fact that my research is published as an open source project counts for nothing in academia |
| 19:06.11 | kblin | borja: well, fortunately the big journals are digging their own graves :) |
| 19:06.16 | ajuonline | lh: i mean, compared to *there* [writing books] |
| 19:06.32 | lh | the entire spam sending world is convinced that gsocers want nike shoes, handbags, and other clothes. wtf. |
| 19:06.39 | lh | borja: it should. |
| 19:06.46 | lh | ajuonline: i will write a book one day. |
| 19:06.53 | borja | kblin: yeah, although it will probably still be a long slow march towards their death |
| 19:07.04 | lh | "The Open Source Hackers in their Natural Environment: Coding from the Bar" |
| 19:07.11 | ajuonline | lh: I have been planning to do that since a couple of years now. |
| 19:07.22 | kblin | lh: "Teach yourself cat herding in 21 days" |
| 19:07.23 | MatthewWilkes | lh: I volunteer to be a subject ;) |
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| 19:07.27 | ankitg|ZZZzzz | lh: ofcourse gsocers want clothes ... we're all in it for the shirt ... well at least most of us =) |
| 19:07.27 | lh | ajuonline: better block out time in your diary or you will never get to it |
| 19:07.35 | lh | kblin: it takes 23 days actually. :) |
| 19:07.42 | lh | MatthewWilkes: excellent. i shall make note of this |
| 19:07.47 | ajuonline | i volunteer to be a subject as well :P |
| 19:07.51 | MatthewWilkes | I've actually been part of a sociology study before |
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| 19:07.54 | borja | wrote a book and, not surprisingly, was told by older professors that it was a waste of time and "doesn't get you closer to graduating" |
| 19:07.55 | lh | makes note: MatthewWilkes is an excellent case study for Coding from the Bar, ajuonline too |
| 19:07.57 | ajuonline | and yeah, I need tonote it down on my diary. |
| 19:08.04 | ajuonline | lol :P |
| 19:08.05 | borja | ok, I should stop ranting about academia |
| 19:08.06 | lh | borja: oh dear lord. i am offended on your behalf. |
| 19:08.13 | borja | chills |
| 19:08.18 | MatthewWilkes | On substance abuse in students, published in the oxford journal of alcohol and alcoholism |
| 19:08.21 | lh | ankitg|ZZZzzz: yes but do you want tommy hilfigger clothes? |
| 19:08.28 | lh | i can't even spell it properly |
| 19:08.33 | Catfish_Man | is a case study for coding from the bus, basement, friend's dorm room, jury waiting room, etc... |
| 19:08.35 | Catfish_Man | not bars though |
| 19:08.41 | MatthewWilkes | Was a group of 4 or 5 of my friends, quite amusing |
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| 19:08.51 | ankitg|ZZZzzz | heh, as long as it says GSoC, that's branding enough ... |
| 19:08.52 | vedlith | kblin: http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/Mastering-Cat/ |
| 19:08.54 | ajuonline | borja: publish it online, ona blog. so that some esensible folks can read and post genuine compliments :) |
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| 19:10.14 | borja | ajuonline: well, it's already published, and I had to sell into the programming book way of doing things. I did however talk the publisher into allowing me to publish a subset of the book with a free license. |
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| 19:10.35 | josegabriel | are you Leslie Hawthorn? |
| 19:10.56 | Ophiuchi | last years shirt was pretty nice, are there new designs for this year already? :) |
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| 19:10.59 | kblin | vedlith: hehe, cute |
| 19:11.03 | ajuonline | josegabriel: lh is sometimes known by that name, yes :) |
| 19:11.12 | borja | !lh |
| 19:11.12 | socinfo | "lh" is Leslie Hawthorn, Program Manager - Open Source; Geek Herder extraordinaire. This is who you turn to if you have very specific questions about GSoC whose answer applies only to you. |
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| 19:11.17 | ajuonline | for other times, we just refer to her as Trinity. |
| 19:11.41 | ajuonline | and that still remains an understatement :P |
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| 19:13.31 | lh | josegabriel: what you need? |
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| 19:15.04 | bugfux | lh: Hey, I just saw your comment on my (Ian Ownbey) proposal saying my birthday was wrong so I fixed it now |
| 19:15.14 | bugfux | sorry I didnt fix it by the 2 day deadline, i was away from my computer for easter and all that |
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| 19:15.27 | lh | bugfux: it's fine, thanks. |
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| 19:20.06 | joeyadams | Are students notified of their acceptance before April 20, or is that when we find out? |
| 19:20.17 | MatthewWilkes | That's when you find out. |
| 19:20.26 | joeyadams | okay |
| 19:20.35 | MatthewWilkes | !early |
| 19:20.35 | socinfo | Error: "early" is not a valid command. |
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| 19:20.53 | lh | joeyadams: patience. :) |
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| 19:21.11 | MatthewWilkes | socinfo: learn early as The announcement of accepted students happens on the 20th. Nothing's going to change that, so be patient. |
| 19:21.11 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 19:21.13 | MatthewWilkes | !early |
| 19:21.13 | socinfo | "early" is The announcement of accepted students happens on the 20th. Nothing's going to change that, so be patient. |
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| 19:25.38 | *** topic/#gsoc by lh -> Allocations Final, Duplicates Resolved - Accepted Students Announced Monday 20 April - Relax! - If You Can't Relax, Fix Melange Bugs: Easy Bugs: http://tinyurl.com/dax2j9, Minimal Effort Bugs: http://tinyurl.com/d97z24 - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - This channel is logged, see !logs |
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| 19:27.12 | mlundblad | !logs |
| 19:27.12 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 19:34.03 | scorche|sh | !timeline |
| 19:34.04 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 19:34.51 | MatthewWilkes | Now, that's a good /topic ! |
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| 20:00.25 | gcorvala | !logs |
| 20:00.25 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 20:03.49 | lh | MatthewWilkes: i tries. |
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| 20:06.04 | MatthewWilkes | Fixing melange bugs makes you more attractive to the opposite sex (or same, where appropriate). |
| 20:06.19 | romullo | i guess that soon someone will ask: "when the accepted students will be announced?" ;p |
| 20:06.26 | MatthewWilkes | !early |
| 20:06.26 | socinfo | "early" is The announcement of accepted students happens on the 20th. Nothing's going to change that, so be patient. |
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| 20:06.28 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
| 20:07.00 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: "Fixing melange bugs increases your sexual attractiveness" |
| 20:07.13 | kblin | there, preference-neutral |
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| 20:07.37 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: That works! |
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| 20:07.54 | lh | y'all can go ahead and change the topic to that and i will pretend i dont see it happening |
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| 20:08.44 | Fou_Fou | haha |
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| 20:10.10 | MatthewWilkes | I have the happy hardcore version of the flintstones stuck in my head |
| 20:12.33 | homunq | lh: btw do admins get shirts too? |
| 20:12.40 | lh | homunq: yes of course |
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| 20:12.44 | lh | wanders off for a bit |
| 20:12.53 | Ivanovic | nice to see that the resolution meeting went well |
| 20:13.06 | Ivanovic | homunq: i got a shirt, this is enough proof that admins get a shirt as well |
| 20:13.07 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 20:13.52 | josegabriel | Leslie I know my result in gsoc extra officially. |
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| 20:14.59 | romullo | good for you |
| 20:15.04 | kblin | sighs |
| 20:15.17 | kblin | bugs lurking at every corner |
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| 20:15.59 | josegabriel | lh |
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| 20:16.35 | kblin | josegabriel: good for you |
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| 20:17.12 | kblin | things calling this "results" is a bit premature anyway |
| 20:17.30 | kblin | I wouldn't start talking about results until early september |
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| 20:18.12 | vedlith | those not accepted, possibly could :) |
| 20:18.53 | Ophiuchi | loans kblin a flyswatter |
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| 20:20.27 | kblin | yay |
| 20:20.36 | Ophiuchi | and definitely yes on the results .. last year we got 6 committers out of our catch, but also 2 who just vanished before the midterm, and not all projects succeeded either |
| 20:21.03 | hypa7ia | important question |
| 20:21.08 | hypa7ia | do the shirts come in girly sizes |
| 20:21.34 | Catfish_Man | hypa7ia: I'd be shocked if they didn't, since it would mean lh and a few other rather key people couldn't have 'em |
| 20:21.44 | hypa7ia | i've been to 3 cons google represented at and google had no girl shirts |
| 20:21.50 | hypa7ia | which made me ;_; |
| 20:21.53 | Catfish_Man | that is lame :( |
| 20:22.00 | freebsd-brooks | hypa7ia: gender based styles seems to be in the signup form |
| 20:22.03 | kblin | hypa7ia: they do |
| 20:22.11 | hypa7ia | wewt |
| 20:22.19 | hypa7ia | ah yes, i do recall that now, freebsd-brooks |
| 20:22.40 | kblin | hypa7ia: I've seen them at the last mentor summit |
| 20:22.49 | hypa7ia | good stuff |
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| 20:23.13 | freebsd-brooks | kblin: also with infant shirts IIRC :) |
| 20:23.25 | hypa7ia | hehe, those are adorable |
| 20:23.33 | kblin | freebsd-brooks: just plain google shirts, not gsoc shirts, though |
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| 20:23.40 | kblin | freebsd-brooks: OSPO shirts, that is |
| 20:24.21 | kblin | freebsd-brooks: I'm all for unusual project-branded clothing, though |
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| 20:24.55 | freebsd-brooks | decides not to go there |
| 20:24.58 | kblin | freebsd-brooks: I've got a spiffy WorldForge shirt, and a Samba bike jersey |
| 20:25.10 | kblin | freebsd-brooks: not what you're thinking |
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| 20:26.08 | freebsd-brooks | notes the BSD beasty boxers are supprisingly popular when given away |
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| 20:26.38 | MatthewWilkes | freebsd-brooks: That's because beasty rules |
| 20:26.41 | kblin | freebsd-brooks: hehe, free clothing ++ |
| 20:27.05 | kblin | codes for cotton |
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| 20:27.41 | MatthewWilkes | had to use ubuntu yesterday/today |
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| 20:27.52 | MatthewWilkes | How apt has a reputation for being easy and ports doesn't is beyond me |
| 20:28.13 | antarus | ports? seriously? |
| 20:28.33 | MatthewWilkes | yeah, make, make install, done |
| 20:28.33 | antarus | /etc/make.conf is a nightmare |
| 20:28.37 | antarus | just like it is on Gentoo ;p |
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| 20:29.29 | kblin | antarus: it especially makes it a nightmare to support your own software on gentoo systems |
| 20:30.17 | kblin | because people always seem to think setting compiler flags they don't understand is a bright idea |
| 20:30.35 | MatthewWilkes | http://www.funroll-loops.info |
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| 20:31.16 | freebsd-brooks | kblin: shurly -O666 is way better than -O2 |
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| 20:31.32 | Catfish_Man | oh hooray, funroll-loops is back |
| 20:31.50 | hypa7ia | hehe |
| 20:31.53 | hypa7ia | that site is win |
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| 20:38.21 | kblin | hehe |
| 20:38.48 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: I should send them http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160867 |
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| 20:39.14 | llnz | yay, dups resolved |
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| 20:40.08 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: :) |
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| 20:40.52 | lh | hypa7ia: yes! |
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| 20:41.51 | Ophiuchi | all package systems are easy (mostly) while you just want to install new stuff. Fun happens when you want to update part of your system, without losing local config changes, even though the config format may have changed :) |
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| 20:42.20 | Ophiuchi | (and all is supposed to continue working like intended afterwards) |
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| 20:45.54 | Catfish_Man | lh: ping (pm) |
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| 20:58.25 | rolly1975 | !logs |
| 20:58.25 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 21:01.35 | kblin | wow, I really can't compete with bug 101619 though |
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| 21:02.16 | typ0 | at this time all the student picks are final, or can the organizations still change their mind ? |
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| 21:03.12 | lh | typ0: things can still change. nothing is final until 20 april |
| 21:03.27 | typ0 | cool thanks |
| 21:03.42 | kblin | yeah, monitors might be eaten by dogs |
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| 21:04.04 | Corsix | I would like to see that on youtube |
| 21:04.06 | ajuonline | or the server that saves the gsoc data might be eated by dogss. |
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| 21:04.31 | MatthewWilkes | Corsix: You'd like to see us eaten by dogs? :() |
| 21:04.32 | MatthewWilkes | :(* |
| 21:04.48 | Corsix | MatthewWilkes: I'd like to see a monitor eaten by a dog |
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| 21:05.01 | [particle]- | i'd like to see Corsix eat a dog |
| 21:05.09 | MatthewWilkes | Corsix: Ah, misread :) |
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| 21:05.20 | Corsix | Did you read monitors as mentors? |
| 21:05.23 | MatthewWilkes | yep! |
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| 21:11.24 | r0bby | Corsix: mentors must not be eaten! |
| 21:11.34 | Corsix | I never suggested eating mentors |
| 21:11.40 | Corsix | and nor do I want them eaten |
| 21:11.47 | r0bby | monitors, mentors |
| 21:11.53 | r0bby | same shit diff day :) |
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| 21:15.11 | johndbritton | lh: ping |
| 21:15.17 | lh | johndbritton: pong |
| 21:15.23 | lh | r0bby: family channel please |
| 21:15.24 | r0bby | lh: =) |
| 21:15.26 | johndbritton | just read http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/GoogleOpenSourceBlog/~3/QGwEN8npxx0/common-sense-at-open-everything-nyc.html |
| 21:15.44 | johndbritton | any chance you can get an update on that post to mention the event scheduled in Madison, WI for the same day |
| 21:15.48 | johndbritton | http://madison.openeverything.us |
| 21:15.49 | r0bby | lh: i'll bring you a starbucks on sat |
| 21:15.52 | lh | sorry, didn't have time to email you yet to let yo know it was happening |
| 21:16.02 | lh | johndbritton: sorry can't. not a google event so we can't pimp it. |
| 21:16.03 | lh | however! |
| 21:16.24 | lh | i do manage ye olde comments for the open source blog so feel free to pimp yourself in the comments and i will approve said comment. like right now. |
| 21:16.31 | lh | r0bby: you rock many thanks. |
| 21:16.34 | johndbritton | ok, will do |
| 21:16.41 | r0bby | lh: i figure i owe you |
| 21:16.59 | r0bby | I'll just have to find you when i get there |
| 21:17.00 | lh | r0bby: in that case, 17 coffees, ten scones, forty five ..... |
| 21:17.02 | lh | kidding. |
| 21:17.16 | lh | r0bby: i am hard to miss. i am the chubby loud blond chick with the glasses that are shiny. |
| 21:17.17 | r0bby | what you mentioned on your status msg? |
| 21:17.22 | lh | yes please. |
| 21:17.28 | r0bby | ah :) |
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| 21:19.07 | MatthewWilkes | remembers walking into the Tied House at the last mentor summit, wondering how he'd recognise the GSoC group, then seeing lh being loud and sociable and instantly recognising her :P |
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| 21:19.36 | lh | it's a strategy |
| 21:19.41 | lh | picture this |
| 21:19.52 | lh | you are in a room with a bunch of people. they are usually not good at socializing. |
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| 21:20.05 | lh | you secretly aren't comfortable with it either, but you want them to be happy. |
| 21:20.21 | lh | they won't be buzzed from the beer for another hour or so |
| 21:20.22 | lh | quick! |
| 21:20.24 | lh | be loud! |
| 21:20.35 | lh | they will be so overwhelmed by your antics that they will forget to be scared |
| 21:20.38 | lh | and hey, so will you. |
| 21:20.41 | lh | works beautifully. |
| 21:20.45 | lh | then the beer kicks in. |
| 21:20.47 | MatthewWilkes | Meh, I like socialising, just given 12 hours travelling I need a beer before I can even think about conversation |
| 21:20.49 | lh | awesome. |
| 21:21.02 | lh | MatthewWilkes: you my dear are a rare breed methinks. |
| 21:21.11 | r0bby | lh: I'm louder! |
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| 21:21.17 | lh | r0bby: i believe you. |
| 21:21.24 | hub | I have been told I was too loud |
| 21:21.27 | lh | r0bby: your job this saturday is to be calm and to *listed* |
| 21:21.28 | MatthewWilkes | lh: It says "arts" on my student card - it's our privilege ;) |
| 21:21.30 | lh | er |
| 21:21.32 | lh | *listen* |
| 21:21.36 | lh | MatthewWilkes: ah ha! |
| 21:21.37 | r0bby | calm? |
| 21:21.41 | Ivanovic | is able to easily be louder than r0bby and lh together... |
| 21:21.43 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 21:21.45 | lh | r0bby: listen. |
| 21:21.46 | r0bby | what's calm? |
| 21:21.52 | r0bby | what's that? :) |
| 21:22.02 | r0bby | should be fun :) |
| 21:22.07 | lh | r0bby: listen. when we are done for the day i am going to ask you the five most important things you learned. over beer. |
| 21:22.08 | r0bby | I wonder if any gsoc'ers will be there |
| 21:22.16 | r0bby | I dont drink :) |
| 21:22.17 | lh | Ivanovic: i dunno. you seem very placid my friend. |
| 21:22.22 | ajuonline | whats going ON? |
| 21:22.32 | lh | r0bby: ok, iced tea. ftw! |
| 21:22.33 | r0bby | ajuonline: http://nyc.openeverything.us |
| 21:22.36 | lh | ajuonline: we're all hyper i guess |
| 21:22.37 | r0bby | that works :) |
| 21:22.45 | Ivanovic | lh: uhm, at the mentor summit i have worked on organizing "okay, we need a gaming room now and some who want to go there" without a mike... |
| 21:22.46 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 21:22.59 | r0bby | OHH |
| 21:23.01 | r0bby | karaoke! |
| 21:23.04 | lh | Ivanovic: \o/ |
| 21:23.16 | r0bby | that can get disturbing :) |
| 21:23.16 | lh | oh now that would be teh awesome a the mentor summit |
| 21:23.18 | lh | hub: do you think you are loud? |
| 21:23.28 | Ivanovic | r0bby: *powerpoint*karaoke! |
| 21:23.28 | MatthewWilkes | Ivanovic: It's all about the python hacking room! |
| 21:23.42 | johndbritton | lh: comment posted |
| 21:23.42 | ajuonline | lh: r0bby ok i like that open everything, idea. and I am gonna help out with the Indian version I think. soon. |
| 21:24.05 | hub | lh: I tend to believe that. |
| 21:24.14 | hub | I just cna't control it |
| 21:24.21 | lh | johndbritton: will moderate through as soon as i see it |
| 21:24.25 | r0bby | I figure it'd be fun, I have a metrocard that expires soon :) |
| 21:24.26 | lh | ajuonline: talk to johndbritton |
| 21:24.33 | lh | hub: tis all well |
| 21:24.33 | hub | I'm sure you can find people in the 'plex that can confirm ;-) |
| 21:24.33 | Ivanovic | and yeah, some powerpoint karaoke would be *really* awesome at the next mentor summit |
| 21:24.34 | hypa7ia | but i don't have an inside voice! |
| 21:24.45 | lh | hypa7ia: not required. |
| 21:24.46 | hypa7ia | oh man, powerpoint karaeoke would be win |
| 21:24.46 | r0bby | sings 'i feel pretty' |
| 21:24.46 | ajuonline | johndbritton: yo! |
| 21:24.47 | lh | overrated! |
| 21:24.51 | hub | Ivanovic: openoffice |
| 21:24.52 | r0bby | i feel pretty...oh.. |
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| 21:25.13 | Ivanovic | hub: it is a general term and pdf presentations are prefered |
| 21:25.23 | johndbritton | ajuonline: hey |
| 21:25.26 | Ivanovic | though the really bad ones available on the net tend to be powerpoint |
| 21:25.27 | hub | Ivanovic: it is a (tm) |
| 21:25.33 | Ivanovic | and only the really bad ones are *real* fun... |
| 21:25.38 | johndbritton | r0bby has volunteered to help take notes |
| 21:25.40 | ajuonline | johndbritton: pm? |
| 21:25.52 | johndbritton | there's #openeverything too, but here is fine for me |
| 21:25.52 | hub | openoffice too anyway :-) |
| 21:26.03 | johndbritton | more people see we're talking the more will be interested |
| 21:26.17 | sandy|lurk | lh: is it too late to change our student lineup? |
| 21:26.17 | Ivanovic | remembers seeing the video from powerpoint at the 23rd CCC in berlin with someone having to hold a presenation with slides from the us army... |
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| 21:26.27 | Ivanovic | starting with "Hello Jackasses!" |
| 21:26.39 | johndbritton | lh: planning to stick around for a few drinks... we'll be screening RIP: A REMIX MANIFESTO .. details: http://www.johndbritton.com/post/2009/april/15/screening_rip_remix_manifesto_open_everything_nyc_afterparty |
| 21:26.42 | lh | sandy|lurk: what do you want to do? |
| 21:26.51 | lh | Ivanovic: i love it |
| 21:26.58 | lh | johndbritton: i'll be there |
| 21:26.58 | lh | :) |
| 21:27.01 | johndbritton | nice |
| 21:27.03 | r0bby | johndbritton: potentially, i'm not bringing my laptop |
| 21:27.08 | r0bby | I _SUCK_ listening :) |
| 21:27.10 | sandy|lurk | lh: we had two students for the same project idea, and picked one...now mentor says he wants the other instead |
| 21:27.13 | johndbritton | r0bby: ok, w/e |
| 21:27.16 | johndbritton | it'll be fine |
| 21:27.24 | Ivanovic | lh: though we would need a projector and *many* bad presentations, preferably in english |
| 21:27.26 | johndbritton | what is this about a "Indian version" |
| 21:27.31 | r0bby | I'll help set up as much as i can :) |
| 21:27.47 | r0bby | is hard of hearing and is afraid of missing things |
| 21:28.16 | Ivanovic | getting (bad) german slides should be no real problem for me, would just ask some of the people working on the "KIF" (conference of comper science student bodies), they always have powerpoint karaoke |
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| 21:29.21 | lh | sandy|lurk: you can change it, tell me when you are done and we will see if there's a duplicate introduced. if there is, you need to go with the original plan. |
| 21:29.35 | sandy|lurk | lh: okay, thanks, I'll let you know |
| 21:29.46 | lh | sandy|lurk: sounds good, thank you. |
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| 21:31.03 | kblin | eyes powerpoint karaoke and facepalms |
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| 21:31.15 | kblin | Ivanovic: please don't, it'll be too much like a real conference |
| 21:31.16 | r0bby | kblin: I know it can get bad |
| 21:31.21 | EnderMB | thinks Powerpoint Karaoke is the greatest thing ever. |
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| 21:31.44 | r0bby | will there be singing? |
| 21:31.44 | kblin | EnderMB: you've never been to an industry conference keynote session then |
| 21:31.49 | Ivanovic | kblin: hey, in the (late) evenings it can be nice (or as session over daytime, though then the vodka is missing...) |
| 21:32.19 | kblin | Ivanovic: ah, yeah, it might be bearable under the same conditions as normal karaoke |
| 21:32.20 | EnderMB | Only InfoSec Europe, and there was no singing... |
| 21:32.33 | Ivanovic | kblin: i am not talking about *anything* sane here |
| 21:32.36 | johndbritton | Open Everything going to India... woohoo! |
| 21:32.43 | Ivanovic | remember: *geeks* |
| 21:32.46 | EnderMB | Some of the guys in my class have been known to throw lyrics into presentations on occasion. |
| 21:33.04 | r0bby | My Fund. of Speech communication class was *PAINFUL* |
| 21:33.09 | hub | I still have to do a presentation with simpsons quotes |
| 21:33.18 | hub | but I'm not gonna do any anytime soon |
| 21:33.23 | r0bby | bad public speaking skills =/ |
| 21:33.23 | Ivanovic | hub: depends on the topic |
| 21:33.37 | kblin | Ivanovic: as a disclaimer, I usually can stand karaoke at a blood alcohol level of 0.15% or higher |
| 21:33.38 | hub | Ivanovic: the game is that the topic doesn't matter :-) |
| 21:33.43 | Ivanovic | though it should be rather easy for any "geek related" stuff (math, physics, cs, ...) |
| 21:33.57 | MatthewWilkes | 's final report as the membership development officer of Liberal Youth, the organisation responsible for all <26yo members of a large political party was "There is a house in new orleans, they call the rising sun, and it's been the ruin of many a poor boy, and god, I know, I'm one" |
| 21:33.58 | EnderMB | I have an extremely strong westcountry accent (i.e. farmer voice) so public speaking is painful for me. |
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| 21:34.08 | lh | johndbritton: published |
| 21:34.20 | johndbritton | woohoo! |
| 21:34.27 | johndbritton | I love when things happen |
| 21:34.41 | Ivanovic | EnderMB: i can easily offer a german accent when talking english ;) |
| 21:34.53 | johndbritton | might have to go visit ajuonline in Delhi |
| 21:34.54 | hub | I give the french one :-) |
| 21:34.59 | kblin | Ivanovic: oh, I can do sis as vell |
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| 21:35.16 | sandy|lurk | lh: okay, I'm done |
| 21:35.34 | lh | sandy|lurk: brb |
| 21:35.34 | Ivanovic | kblin: okay, you do the souther german variations, i take the western german ones, deal? |
| 21:35.34 | MatthewWilkes | EnderMB: Where would the wurzels have got to with that attitude? :) |
| 21:35.35 | qasimj | ooooooo @ topic |
| 21:35.35 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 21:36.11 | qasimj | you tell me the allocations are final and then tell me to relax! |
| 21:36.12 | qasimj | lol |
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| 21:36.23 | Ivanovic | loves the asterix episode that has swabian voiceovers... |
| 21:37.02 | lh | sandy|lurk: look like no harm done. |
| 21:37.03 | kblin | Ivanovic: I need to practice saying "schtone" then |
| 21:37.03 | Ivanovic | (some version of the dvds available in germany have dialect voice overs, the swabian is especially great... |
| 21:37.12 | sandy|lurk | lh: awesome, thanks for your help |
| 21:37.22 | lh | sandy|lurk: all good. :) |
| 21:37.24 | ajuonline | johndbritton: kool kool! :) |
| 21:37.46 | kblin | Ivanovic: incidently, I think I can speak fluent swabian when I'm drunk |
| 21:37.52 | Ivanovic | okay, i think it is time for me to read a little and then head off to bed |
| 21:37.55 | kblin | or at least something that sounds like it |
| 21:38.13 | Ivanovic | kblin: once upon the time i was able to understand "medium bad" swabian dialect |
| 21:38.14 | lh | sandy|lurk: you are most welcome |
| 21:38.28 | Ivanovic | (about 18 years ago when i still lived down there...) |
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| 21:39.10 | Ivanovic | now i am not sure if i am even able to completely understand a "light" accent... |
| 21:39.14 | MatthewWilkes | is jealous of people with dialects |
| 21:39.27 | ameyp | lh: sorry if i seem rude, but if the allocations are final and duplicates are resolved, what's google going to do till the 20th? |
| 21:39.44 | MatthewWilkes | I speak in a brummie twang with various black country and west country idioms finding their way in |
| 21:39.58 | Ivanovic | MatthewWilkes: enforcing some kind of dialect on your mother tongue is often rather easy |
| 21:40.06 | lh | ameyp: torture you. |
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| 21:40.12 | r0bby | lh: did you mean nonfat? |
| 21:40.19 | ameyp | lh: besides that :) |
| 21:40.21 | r0bby | or non-fast? |
| 21:40.28 | lh | ameyp: no seriously, we need to get some code written and a lot can change in the next couple of days |
| 21:40.38 | Ivanovic | but doing so (and changing the dialect!) on a foreign lang is *really* difficult |
| 21:40.38 | lh | r0bby: nonfat no whip venti mocha please |
| 21:40.39 | lh | :) |
| 21:40.43 | r0bby | ok |
| 21:40.44 | MatthewWilkes | ameyp: This is the correct way to meet deadlines. With a 5 day safety margin. |
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| 21:41.05 | ameyp | what all can change? |
| 21:41.05 | r0bby | okies |
| 21:41.12 | Ivanovic | ameyp: the following five days are for all the unexpected things that *will* pop up |
| 21:41.14 | r0bby | similar to what i get minus the whole non-fat bit =) |
| 21:41.32 | r0bby | lh: consider it a peace offering :) |
| 21:41.32 | vedlith | like world will end or antarctica will melt |
| 21:41.38 | Ivanovic | (when having done some projects you will learn that lots of stuff can go "in a strange way" and at least some will do so) |
| 21:41.40 | r0bby | :x |
| 21:41.46 | lh | r0bby: ok. |
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| 21:42.11 | ameyp | Ivanovic: ok |
| 21:42.17 | r0bby | this better be worth it :-) I hate getting up on normal days -- i'm coming down by train |
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| 21:42.22 | r0bby | thank god it's SUPER close to GCT |
| 21:42.42 | MatthewWilkes | Ivanovic: I find it hard to stay in a dialect, unfortunately. I keep drifting back to my normal patterns |
| 21:42.49 | Ivanovic | oaky, really time for me to leave my computer alone for some hours |
| 21:42.55 | johndbritton | later party people |
| 21:42.59 | Ivanovic | it really needs some serious resting ;) |
| 21:43.14 | vedlith | Ivanovic: nonsense, just better cooling system :P |
| 21:43.32 | Ivanovic | vedlith: nah, colling is not the problem |
| 21:43.47 | Ivanovic | vedlith: but after a while it makes my eyes see strange symbols and all this stuff |
| 21:44.00 | Ivanovic | you know, colored circles and all this stuff |
| 21:44.03 | Ivanovic | really bad |
| 21:44.04 | MatthewWilkes | EnderMB: I meant to ask, btw, what part of Brizzle are you? I'm hotwells |
| 21:44.12 | vedlith | hmm i know, strange, maybe mine is broken too :) |
| 21:44.18 | Ivanovic | (it can't be my eyes on their own, they would never do thi, so it has to be the computer!) |
| 21:45.08 | vedlith | yea, and when i try to screenshot it, it dissapears, memory corruption? damn this looks serious |
| 21:45.32 | Ivanovic | vedlith: might be some graphics memory corruption |
| 21:45.45 | vedlith | Ivanovic: sweet dreams then ;) |
| 21:45.47 | Corsix | Bah, you brizzle folk, 20 minutes south of here |
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| 21:45.52 | Ivanovic | right, and after some time my typing seems to get worse, too (as in missing chars, more typos, all this strange stuff) |
| 21:45.58 | Ivanovic | n8 everyone |
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| 21:46.45 | kblin | /kick Ivanovic get out of here already |
| 21:47.42 | MatthewWilkes | Corsix: Where are you? |
| 21:47.52 | ajuonline | here |
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| 21:48.04 | Corsix | MatthewWilkes: In Berkeley, half-way between Bristol and Gloucester |
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| 21:48.56 | MatthewWilkes | Corsix: hmm, near stroud? |
| 21:49.15 | Corsix | MatthewWilkes: relatively near |
| 21:50.09 | MatthewWilkes | Pretty damn near :) |
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| 21:50.30 | MatthewWilkes | I never knew there were people so close |
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| 21:52.59 | MatthewWilkes | Corsix: Did you put any apps in for SoC this year? I recognise your nick from GHOP |
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| 21:53.30 | Corsix | MatthewWilkes: Indeed, put in 3, and I'm 99% sure on which I'm doing |
| 21:54.34 | MatthewWilkes | :) Good luck to you! |
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| 21:55.30 | MatthewWilkes | is looking at the GHOP awards ceremony pictures now |
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| 21:55.50 | Corsix | you were meant to be attending, but couldn't make the date IIRC ? |
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| 21:57.30 | theplaz | hi; newbe; anyway to see the logs of #gsoc-resolve from today? |
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| 21:58.07 | disismt | theplaz, it was boooring, over in 18 minutes |
| 21:58.13 | ajuonline | theplaz: it will be posted soon, in due course. |
| 21:58.28 | theplaz | k thanks |
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| 21:59.38 | MatthewWilkes | also loves the polish video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoDP4ritFX0 - so cool that was made |
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| 22:02.39 | EnderMB | !logs |
| 22:02.40 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 22:02.52 | josegabriel | leslie |
| 22:03.56 | Fou_Fou | I'm getting something that looks like OddPar |
| 22:04.00 | Fou_Fou | oops, sorry |
| 22:04.03 | Fou_Fou | wrong thing |
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| 22:07.42 | EnderMB | MatthewWilkes: Sorry for late reply, I live in Brislington... |
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| 22:10.54 | lh | now you can kick people properly |
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| 22:11.18 | lh | MatthewWilkes: thanks. i liked our pr for ghop. |
| 22:12.09 | relix | lh do you mean ban-kick, |
| 22:12.29 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Indeed, bring on GHOP the second ;) |
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| 22:13.01 | lh | relix: either one |
| 22:13.04 | lh | MatthewWilkes: later this year |
| 22:13.17 | relix | kick: /kick Nickname-here |
| 22:13.28 | Corsix | lh: but only as long as melange is ready? |
| 22:13.30 | relix | for ban you need to create a filter |
| 22:13.32 | MatthewWilkes | Yeah, SoC and GHOP at the same time would be a silly idea :) |
| 22:13.36 | relix | best done using your irc client |
| 22:13.39 | lh | Corsix: that's a gsoc project :) |
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| 22:14.11 | Corsix | I did, mainly in jest, propose that |
| 22:14.21 | Corsix | but not knowing python is a bit of a problem |
| 22:14.46 | mmadia | GHOP being the Google Highly Open Participation Contest? |
| 22:15.19 | MatthewWilkes | yup |
| 22:15.20 | Corsix | mmadia: yes |
| 22:17.09 | MatthewWilkes | Corsix: How did you hear about GHOP? I'm guessing not through school? |
| 22:17.27 | Corsix | MatthewWilkes: slashdot |
| 22:17.31 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
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| 22:40.31 | brion-codereview | lh: ping... we can give up our 5th slot for wikimedia. i'll drop you a mail :) |
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| 22:41.41 | lh | brion-codereview: okay thank you |
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| 22:42.19 | brion-codereview | :D enjoy |
| 22:42.41 | mib_zwfs49 | !logs |
| 22:42.41 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 22:54.34 | esam | !logs |
| 22:54.35 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 23:07.19 | MatthewWilkes | hmm, oops. Should have eaten |
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| 23:45.06 | z4chh | !timeline |
| 23:45.06 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 23:49.28 | carldani | hm. the timeline does not say anything about the ranking deadline |
| 23:50.28 | WormBe | will all students learn if they get accepted on 20 april? Or is it already known by the matching-student-mentor meeting? |
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| 23:50.59 | ojwb | on the 20th |
| 23:51.17 | ojwb | we're pretty close to final, but things can still change until then |
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