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00:20.26allisterblul twitter virus
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00:25.01carldanigood night all!
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00:31.54allisterbI gotta go upstairs and kick my router in the balls
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00:46.32Ori_Bmakes a minty garlic balsamic reduction for his lamb :)
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00:48.06allisterbOri_B, is lamb traditional for you at Easter?
00:48.23Ori_Ballisterb: nah, I'm Jewish.
00:48.28Ori_BI'm just hungry :)
00:48.31Ori_Band it tastes good
00:48.44allisterbheck yea
00:49.08allisterbI always conflate passover and easter for some reason
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00:54.08anirudh!next
00:54.08socinfo"next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th!
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01:02.05Ori_Ballisterb: well, they are at the same time :)
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01:03.53skbohra!guess
01:03.54socinfo"guess" is Theres no point guessing anything. Results will be out when they are out. But sure, guessing is fun! :D
01:04.01skbohra:P
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01:07.02r0bby/jg/jg
01:07.05r0bbyUGH
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01:18.11anirudh!help
01:18.11socinfo"help" is see !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki
01:18.22anirudh!advice
01:18.22socinfo"advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors
01:18.42anirudhthanks socinfo, dude you've always been around :D
01:18.48skbohrahey anirudh what are you chances :D
01:18.56skbohra%?
01:19.43anirudhchance E [0,100]
01:20.07anirudhskbohra what about you ?
01:20.43skbohraanirudh:[0,1] :D
01:21.46anirudhlawlZ :D
01:21.53skiquelhowdy
01:23.03anirudhskiquel very fine Sunday morning
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01:27.08anirudh!kblin
01:27.08socinfoError: "kblin" is not a valid command.
01:27.14anirudh!lh
01:27.14socinfo"lh" is Leslie Hawthorn, Program Manager - Open Source; Geek Herder extraordinaire. This is who you turn to if you have very specific questions about GSoC whose answer applies only to you.
01:27.18anirudh!danderson
01:27.18socinfoError: "danderson" is not a valid command.
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01:29.41vinc456!search factoids *
01:29.41socinfo(search <word>) -- Searches for <word> in the current configuration variables.
01:29.47vinc456!search  *
01:29.47socinfoThere were no matching configuration variables.
01:29.54vinc456!version
01:29.57socinfoThe current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.1+darcs.  The newest version available online is 0.83.3.
01:30.40scorchevinc456: you can do all this in a PM with the bot...
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02:57.09travelleraaaaok
02:57.09travelleraaaathanks icez
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03:12.52milkipong!
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03:13.45Ryan52whatever. -.-
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04:10.04disismt!time
04:10.04socinfo"time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy
04:10.19disismtnooo
04:10.22disismt!timeline
04:10.23socinfo"timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline
04:11.16disismt( I don't like to be Lmgtfy'ied) :(
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04:16.56skiquel!next
04:16.57socinfo"next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th!
04:17.04skiquelgood luck...
04:17.06skiquel:)
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04:25.59DonPHappy Easter to all folks here !
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04:33.42mmadiaregarding students whose applications contained a typo for their date of birth, is it preferred for them to contact someone or simply to fix it and wait for someone to check?   note: at this point, the application has not yet been  marked ineligible.
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05:11.46disismt~apwetium
05:11.51disismt:(
05:11.55disismt~apertium
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05:12.03socinfoError: "apertium" is not a valid command.
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05:13.31allisterb!anyone
05:13.32socinfo"anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009
05:13.51NicDumZhe's already on #apertium ;)
05:14.23disismtlooking for slots no.s :)
05:14.34skbohrawait till 20th
05:14.35skbohra:D
05:15.51disismtI have trouble eating. I have trouble breathing. slotssss!!
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05:17.05disismthey snippyhollow
05:17.12snippyhollowhi ;)
05:17.47disismtdid you look at deadbeef's email @ spertium-stuff
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05:18.16disismthe's on fire :)
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05:18.57snippyhollowyes
05:19.01snippyhollowthat's cool :)
05:19.02linoliumsnippyhollow
05:19.06snippyhollowhi linolium
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06:22.53disismtwhat oops?
06:23.16omniteri typed a question to something that somebody said an hour ago before the flood came in.
06:23.19omniteri didn't scroll down.
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06:23.59omniterbtw, random question... when researchers try to determine the maximum number of moves required to solve a 3x3x3 rubik's cube, do they allow moving a center layer as a valid move? and do they allow 180 degree rotations as a valid move?
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06:40.18socinfo"next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th!
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07:33.56bablooany mentors here
07:33.58babloo?????
07:34.12skbohra!anyone
07:34.13socinfo"anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009
07:37.29babloohello?
07:37.41Abhinav1hi babloo
07:38.03bablooi hope you are one among the mentors
07:38.03mordantebabloo, "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009
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07:38.29Abhinav1sorry I am not
07:38.56babloohi where are u from?
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07:50.14shirish!mentors
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07:50.52skbohra!anyone
07:50.52socinfo"anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009
07:51.01skbohrathis may help you
07:51.14skbohra:)
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08:37.35optimus25nyone knws abt the slot allocations?
08:39.07theboltoptimus25: is it the 20th already? :)
08:39.32optimus25*Preliminary* Slot Allocations
08:39.51theboltwell, those are known to the people it matters to (org admins and mentors)
08:39.56Landon!preliminary
08:39.56socinfo"preliminary" is Like investments, slots can go down as well as up.
08:40.06thebolt(mail to the mentor mailing list)
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08:40.56mordanteoptimus25, and we're not supposed to discuss it with students since the numbers are not cast in stone yet
08:41.08optimus25rite
08:41.30optimus25bt a rough idea wont hurt....
08:41.32optimus25nywys
08:41.55mordantewould be really annoying if your orgs says your in and the number of slots for that org decreases and you don't get in
08:42.01dhaunhands optimus25 some vowels ... :P
08:42.03theboltit doesn't say anything about your position anyhow
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08:43.16optimus25lol
08:43.20optimus25vowels..
08:43.22optimus25:P
08:44.17dhaunlvng thm t mks yr mssgs rly hrd t rd
08:44.32optimus25:D
08:44.46skbohra:P
08:44.50theboltdhaun: but you can still read what it says ;)
08:45.05mordantewill get worse if you start to make typos ;-)
08:45.06optimus25btw...still any idea abt total no of slots.... 1000  ?
08:46.59dhaunI don't think the total number has changed
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09:15.50devvrat_!next
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09:23.46optimus25!next
09:23.47socinfo"next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th!
09:23.52optimus25!alloc
09:23.53socinfoError: "alloc" is not a valid command.
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09:32.35xorAxAxhow can an org admin assign the final mentors?
09:32.44xorAxAxcurrently we only see "potential mentors"
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09:33.10dhaunit's hidden in the comments section
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09:33.42dhauntry the dropdown there, switch to "Admin Comment"
09:33.48xorAxAxah, indeed
09:34.01xorAxAxenterprisey :)
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10:46.46NicDumZdreimark, ^
10:47.26dreimarkseen thanks
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11:26.04skbohr1why do we can't comment on any wikipedia article? I want to comment,  :(
11:26.18skbohr1I don't want to edit
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11:29.54thomastcskbohra: you can edit the discussion page
11:30.05thomastcand put comments there
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11:32.09skbohrathomastic: hmmm
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11:47.29MatthewWilkeshi all
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11:48.23ajuonlinehi MatthewWilkes
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14:04.59ArthurLiueveryone is busy praying for free slots :)
14:07.13thebolthehe
14:07.31ajuonlinei heard some organisations have no slots assigned yet?
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14:08.39mmadiaajuonline that was fixed during in the apr 10 slot allocation.
14:09.00mmadiaiirc, those organizations never listed their requested number of slots in their organization profile.
14:09.08ajuonlineok
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14:09.21ajuonlinefinal slot counts happen on monday?
14:09.33NicDumZit's the final countdownnnn
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14:10.52MatthewWilkesba ba ba baaaaa
14:10.56MatthewWilkesba da ba ba ba
14:11.14neo7black sheep
14:11.19neo7have you any wool
14:11.22neo7:P
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14:12.16MatthewWilkesNicDumZ: Damn you, I've got it stuck in my head now
14:12.21NicDumZ:p
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14:14.44[_SAMWISE_]is there a list as to how many slots are alloted to which org ?
14:14.48NicDumZnooo
14:14.51NicDumZit's private.
14:14.56[_SAMWISE_]:(
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14:15.28NicDumZask your mentor, who knows... :p
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14:19.20MatthewWilkesWhy anyone would choose to call themselves stupid to be named after a fictional character is beyond me
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14:20.26neo7!timeline
14:20.26socinfo"timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline
14:20.40neo7Leslie Hawthorn:
14:20.40Abhinav1!next
14:20.40socinfo"next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th!
14:21.01neo7lh: the socghop site is very slow.
14:21.22ArthurLiuneo7, be patient, there's no hurry at this point..
14:22.01neo7ArthurLiu: I designed a patch for it. I talked to Rabillier.
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14:27.54kblinneo7: I don't see why you would talk to lh about that, instead of to the melange devs
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14:28.55neo7SRabbelier: talked to me about that
14:29.07SRabbelierscuse me?
14:29.09SRabbelierI just logged on
14:29.16SRabbelierI didn't see your question
14:29.19neo7since lh is the project manager she might put the patch
14:29.29SRabbelierneo7: what's the problem?
14:29.30neo7or keep them to test
14:29.33neo7nothing
14:29.40ajuonlinespare the kid :P
14:29.41SRabbelierkblin: what'd I miss here?
14:29.44kblinneo7: firstly, #melange seems to be the place to discuss this
14:29.54neo7ok
14:30.01neo7I m discussing it over there
14:30.12ajuonlinethis isnt there, this is here :P
14:30.13kumarabhiajuonline:ur country?
14:30.20ajuonlinekumarabhi: ##gsoc-india
14:30.29kumarabhiajuonline:state?
14:30.44kblinneo7: thanks :)
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14:30.56ajuonline^5's kblin
14:30.59ajuonlinehow goes?
14:30.59neo7kblin: Most Welcome
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15:38.04arunmathew88!next
15:38.04socinfo"next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th!
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15:42.25codestr0mlh: thanks for the +1 on slots.. I thought about sending a request to the mentors list for anyone willing to donate another slot, but feels selfish doing so even if it would really help us
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15:44.22Xano_!timeline
15:44.22socinfo"timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline
15:44.57carldaniStill thinking about donating 1 slot back to the pool...
15:44.58Ophiuchicodestr0m: that's of the "all orgs that aren't bellyaching about having to choose raise their hands -now-" class :) I'd not call it selfish, besides getting out of having to choose :}
15:45.31hubdoes note even know how many slots his org has
15:45.40hubs/note/not/
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15:45.49codestr0mhub: ask a mentor and maybe they'll tell you in pm.. they should know
15:46.03hubcodestr0m: I'm the org admin
15:46.05Ophiuchicarldani: lack of mentor ressource?
15:46.17Ophiuchihub: go read your mail? :)
15:46.25hubOphiuchi: which mail?
15:46.29codestr0mcarldani: do you guys maybe have a slot do donate and I'm curious what project you're with..
15:46.50codestr0m*to donate
15:46.50devilsadvocate!slots
15:46.50socinfo"slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations
15:46.54devilsadvocatehub, ^
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15:47.59hubdevilsadvocate: this does not give a number
15:48.11devilsadvocateoh, sorry
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15:48.22devilsadvocatei thought it would
15:49.07MatthewWilkeshub: http://tinyurl.com/slots11April
15:49.40MatthewWilkesHmm, actually, http://tinyurl.com/slots10April is more useful
15:49.55hubwhy doesn't the app show them?
15:50.02hubI'm don't follow google group
15:50.33MatthewWilkeshub: Because they're not set yet.  These are preliminary numbers to give you a ballpark
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15:53.46sid0_MatthewWilkes: that's mentor list only
15:53.46MatthewWilkessid0_: Yes, that's right
15:53.46sid0_oh
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15:53.46sid0_thought we could see the allocations as well
15:53.46MatthewWilkesOnly mentors have the preliminary numbers
15:53.46MatthewWilkesStudents see the final numbers
15:53.57sid0_right
15:54.16sid0_MatthewWilkes: so are you mentoring this year? :)
15:54.54MatthewWilkesYup, org-admin for the 2nd year.  Looks like I'll get a student this year, last year mine was 6th and we had 5 slots
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15:55.03carldaniOphiuchi: no, we have more than enough mentor resources. But we feel that the topic distribution among qualified applicants is less than ideal
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15:55.28carldanicodestr0m: maybe. We're still arguing internally about it.
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15:56.18sid0_MatthewWilkes: ah, nice
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15:57.16codestr0mcarldani: oh.. arguing always sounds fun..  pm me though... I'm curious mentor-mentor what challenge you're facing
15:58.16sid0_fires off three builds, woo
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16:09.27Stepanhi there! nice to meet all ofr you again
16:12.12vikas_garghi, how can i update my application ?
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16:12.55PearlJamvikas_garg: you cant.
16:13.22PearlJamapril 3rd (4th 00:30 according to IST), was the deadline.
16:13.28PearlJamyou can however comment on the application.
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16:13.49vikas_gargthey earlier said , you can
16:13.54StepanWhich is equally good I think
16:14.01Xano_vikas_garg: You can refine it by posting comments.
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16:17.09LennieThe only thing the documentation said was that you could update your abstract, but you can't do that either this year
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16:17.42Abhinav1why I can't update my comment on socghop
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16:18.10thiago_homeyou can add new comments
16:18.29Abhinav1yah but can't edit
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16:18.34Abhinav1I want to edit it
16:18.36Lennieyou can't
16:18.57thiago_homeadd a new comment correcting yourself
16:19.03PearlJamyou can't. :) double check when you write.
16:19.34LennieEditing can give a false view of the conversation going on
16:19.36Abhinav1thats the way but should not I edit it instead of adding a new on
16:19.59Lenniemakes a note, allow edit for 10 minute after post creation
16:20.17Abhinav1may be this is @Lennie
16:20.19Abhinav1thanks
16:21.24Lenniethe problem is with comments is that when editing is allowed the conversation can lose it's structure
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16:21.46Lenniebut on the other hand you would want to correct your typos
16:22.02Abhinav1yah thats the right thing
16:22.03PearlJama small suggestion. you should mention it that comments cannot be edited later.
16:22.22PearlJami made a small typo, had i known, i would have been extra cautious. :)
16:22.27Lenniehehe
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16:22.36Lenniethere is a lot left to improve :D
16:22.42Lennieit's open source feel free to help ^_^
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16:22.54LennieUsability experts are most welcome!
16:22.58PearlJamha ha. sure.
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16:23.29gevaertsexcept that they tend to make apps unusable :)
16:24.48Lenniehehe
16:25.11Lenniedepends on the app
16:25.18LennieMelange can use it :)
16:25.37Abhinav1should it be part of socghop or melange
16:25.37skiquelhi
16:25.42skiquelnext?
16:25.50Abhinav1I would like to improve it.....
16:25.51Lenniebut atleast it beats the previous system by far on the LH-side of things
16:26.22LennieAbhinav1, what do you mean by socghop or melange?
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16:27.22Abhinav1I mean if I would like to add feature in it like editing comment then whom should I connect.
16:27.46LennieMelange
16:28.03Abhinav1thanks lennie ;)
16:28.14LennieThe ability to edit is hidden in there
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16:28.31OphiuchiLennie: btw, something that may already be there (then I'm blind, not unlikely :) is to put up a note that one needs Javascript to properly use it. I typically have it disabled, and didn't notice until I was desperately looking for a comment button what else I was missing :->
16:28.38skbohraAbhinav1: you can make a new comment
16:29.01LennieOphiuchi, was that on a proposal review page?
16:29.17LennieOphiuchi, that should work without JS
16:29.18Abhinav1yah but I can't edit my own comment
16:29.48skbohraAbhinav1: why you want to edit now
16:30.02skbohraAbhinav1: mentor may not look at that comment again
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16:30.19Abhinav1I did some mistakes like forgot something to mention
16:30.22skbohraAbhinav1: that's most unlikely :) imo
16:30.31gevaertsdislikes edits without a diff
16:30.42skbohraagrees
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16:31.11Lenniegevaerts, that's why I was thinking about a 10 min edit window jsut to correct typos
16:31.13OphiuchiLennie: no, somewhere else (comment submission to a problem report). But the application page sure looks nicer with it on.
16:31.53Lennieyou mean the issue tracker Ophiuchi?
16:32.01OphiuchiLennie: right
16:32.04LennieYou should talk to the google code team about that :D
16:32.45Lenniegevaerts, people make mistakes
16:32.53Lenniewould you find something like that a suitable solution?
16:33.04OphiuchiLennie: do I assume correctly that that is adjacent, but not melanged with your baby? :>
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16:33.21LennieOphiuchi, I dont get your point :)
16:33.25Lennie*see
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16:34.34gevaertsLennie: I'm looking at it from a mentor point of view, and especially for the application itself it's pretty annoying to know that the text has been changed but to have no idea if it's just some typos or somthing substantial. The same goes for comments, but since they tend to be shorter it's less important
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16:34.50gevaertsIt's certainly not a critical thing though
16:34.55Lenniehmm yes
16:35.05LennieThere is an issue in our tracker for diff's for proposals
16:35.35LennieI personally would not like to see that for comments
16:35.51Lennieyou want to read comments in a chronological order
16:35.59Lennieelse you might miss the story
16:36.18gevaertsFor comments I think having a short typo-correcting period should be enough, and I'm not sure even that is really needed
16:36.25Abhinav1i just want some time to edit
16:36.47Lenniehmm
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16:36.59Corsixlike 2 minutes 'edit time', or up until there is another comment (whichever is sooner)
16:37.13gevaertstends to re-read text two or three times even on irc, so he doesn't need comment-editing that much
16:37.21Ophiuchiideal solution for the editing question would be to block editing of something after the first person besides the author saw it
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16:37.50Lenniegevaerts, I'm more impulsive :P
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16:40.20Lennieanyhow, you should star the diff issue on our tracker :)
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16:41.45gevaertsdone :)
16:42.44ajuonline^5's Lennie
16:42.53Lenniehi ajuonline
16:43.00ajuonlinewhats up ? ;)
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16:43.16Lennienot much
16:43.20Lenniedoing some work on Melange
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16:44.01neo7is getting bored and has nothing to do except to reply for the application reviews.
16:44.02LenniePearlJam, I just committed a patch that adds a warning message next to the comment box telling you you can't edit it afterwards :)
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16:44.46LennieNow it's time for food
16:44.51Lenniettyl
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16:53.18PearlJamha ha, great. i was just looking at the FAQ. cool.
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16:55.34sameer_a!timeline
16:55.34socinfo"timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline
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17:41.38ScytheBlade1The comments on the proposals - written in HTML?
17:43.34kpreidScytheBlade1: at least as it shows up for me, it's a little wysiwyg editor with a toolbar for formatting, but if you click the 'html' button you can paste in your own html. I have no idea what happens in less capable browsers
17:43.55ScytheBlade1ah, that'd explain quite a bit
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17:44.00ScytheBlade1clicks noscript off
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17:45.00Woflhey, i subscribed to updates to my proposal, but i got a comment on it yesterday, but got no notification
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17:46.14vvvhi
17:46.38vvvcan i know how many slots have been assigned to ASF?
17:47.24dhaunWofl: checked your spam folder?
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17:50.51vikas_gargwhen will the selected students anounced :- 15 april or 20 april ?
17:51.01devvrat_20th april
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17:51.06dhaun!timeline
17:51.07socinfo"timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline
17:51.23vikas_gargi read that
17:51.33vikas_gargsome one told me 15 april
17:51.42vikas_gargso what is on 15 april
17:51.58dhaunpoint vikas_garg to the timeline again ...
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17:52.56arunreddy!timeline
17:52.56socinfo"timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline
17:54.20ajuonlinethere was a count down as well
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18:11.39nielsgl!next
18:11.40socinfo"next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th!
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18:14.33amerykaninHi all.
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20:39.15summatusmentishi all
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20:41.06Catfish_Manhi folks
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20:42.53summatusmentishi Catfish_Man
20:42.59Catfish_Manhi summatusmentis!
20:43.13summatusmentishow're you?
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20:43.27Catfish_Manhappy :)
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20:44.46summatusmentishow come?
20:45.15Catfish_Manspent the weekend with friends and gf, had lots of good food
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20:46.44summatusmentisyay!
20:46.51summatusmentisseeing the gf is always a good thing
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20:47.23Catfish_Manaye :)
20:48.01macduyseeing THE gf :)
20:48.16summatusmentisas compared to 'a' gf
20:48.28summatusmentisCatfish_Man: is it safe to say then that you don't live near her?
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20:49.13Catfish_Mansummatusmentis: hmm. Near enough
20:49.19Catfish_Mansee her a few times a week
20:49.29Catfish_Manstill always nice though :)
20:50.20summatusmentisCatfish_Man: oh, that's much better than me
20:50.42summatusmentishttp://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Morris+MN+to+Des+Moines+IA&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.214763,72.070313&ie=UTF8&z=6
20:50.46summatusmentisthat's me :-D
20:50.57summatusmentiss/:-D/:-\//
20:50.59Catfish_Mansummatusmentis: :(
20:51.06summatusmentisyeh
20:51.18summatusmentisbut I too spent the weekend with my gf, so win win
20:52.05omniterso did i.
20:52.11omniterspend the weekend with your gf, i mean
20:52.17omnitersorry
20:52.23omniter:D
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20:53.30summatusmentiskicks omniter
20:53.34omniterlol
20:53.37summatusmentisback off, buddy :-D
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20:54.07omnitermy gf leeches off me n my room, so naturally i spent the weekend with her too :p
20:56.04ajuonlinesnaps everyones gfs
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20:58.11ajuonlinesummatusmentis: ^
20:58.27summatusmentisajuonline: hey, go back to your 17 year old >_>
20:58.42summatusmentishides
20:58.44ajuonlinestabs summatusmentis
20:59.01summatusmentis:-P
20:59.25summatusmentishow're you ajay?
20:59.41ajuonlinebetter today, finally taking meds on time :D
21:00.03summatusmentismeds? :-/
21:00.12ajuonline10-12 days of class left.
21:00.16ajuonlinemeds = medicines*
21:00.35ajuonlinenot class* actually. submissions/exams etc
21:00.50ajuonlinehow are you doing?
21:01.00summatusmentisI know what meds are :-P it sucks to have to take them
21:01.09summatusmentisI'm mostly ok, still trying to fix this stupid patch
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21:02.08ajuonlinegood luck with that :)
21:02.19ajuonlinei should be sleeping now. need to wake up and work :/
21:02.22ajuonlinelaters*
21:02.33summatusmentispeace
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21:02.42ajuonline:D
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21:30.54anirudh!next
21:30.55socinfo"next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th!
21:31.22olegfinkbut it apparently did change.
21:31.43anirudhi guess not
21:32.14olegfinkthe last sentence was added because people were abusing !next.
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21:41.34broadhi any mentor here?
21:41.52JeffMmore then one I'd guess :)
21:42.10broadcan you please tell me how many slots have been allocated to ASF
21:42.27JeffMyou should ask that org
21:43.14lresendebroad: on the last e-mail from LH
21:43.21lresendebroad: Apache Software Foundation      38
21:43.28broadi'm very eager to know and they are not available right now. so if it is possible for all mentors to know this then any mentor can tell me
21:43.39broadok
21:43.43broadthank you
21:43.46mib_3m8cfxand to GNOME? :o
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21:43.57JeffMwe may know it, but it really is up to the org to decide to tell students
21:44.10JeffMif they wanted it to be public, they would have put it in the public list
21:44.22dhaunlresende: are you from ASF? otherwise, you shouldn't give out these numbers
21:44.27lresendeit' s public available on the link leslie published on this channel, right ?
21:44.40JeffMthe link is part of the mentor group
21:44.42dhaunonly to mentos
21:44.43JeffMonly mentors can see the link
21:44.48dhaun*mentors
21:44.51JeffMlet the orgs handle there own students
21:44.52lresendesorry, my bad then
21:44.54JeffMit is best that way
21:45.04lresendeand i'm from asf
21:45.12JeffMthen you handle your own student ;)
21:45.21JeffMwelld one :)
21:45.25JeffMwell done even :)
21:45.30broadIresende: i'm sry.
21:46.11lresendebut, the url on this channel is public available for anyone, right ? not only mentors...
21:46.12JeffMreally dosn't want to use all the slots he's been assigned
21:46.25JeffMlresende: yes, but the site dosn't let non mentors see it
21:46.29JeffMso the URL is useless to them
21:46.32broadno. its only for mentors
21:46.36broadi checked that out
21:46.46JeffMit's a link to the closed mentor group
21:47.00JeffMso it asks them to login first, if they are not in the group, they do not see it
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21:47.20sadrulJeffM: consider donating a slot to gnu screen! >:)
21:47.22lresendethen sorry,
21:47.53JeffMsadrul: we'll just give it back to google if we don't use it
21:47.53lresendebroad: you mentioned asf org was not available, how did you came to that conclusion ?
21:47.58JeffMwe have mentors that want to use them all
21:48.09JeffMnow we just get to fight, battle royal style!
21:48.17hypa7iaTHERE CAN BE ONLY N
21:48.25JeffMN-1 actualy
21:48.33broadi mean my mentor is not available now online
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21:49.22broadIresende: I'm very sry for this.
21:49.28lresendebroad: ok, i see... if you have any other questions related to asf organization, you might as well fire at me now that you have my attention
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21:50.06broadr u mentor from ASF?
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21:50.25broadIresende: r u mentor from ASF?
21:50.30lresendebroad: i'm the org admin for asf
21:50.43broadok.
21:51.32gevaertssuspects that broad uses a font that doesn't distinguish properly between I and l :)
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21:51.43broadlresende: can you tell me the top-ranked proposals ( can you email me  )
21:52.15lresendebroad: you will have that information when google announce the selected students
21:52.41lresendebroad: you think i'm going to give you confidential information twice in a row ... LOL
21:52.43broadofcourse, but i'm very eager to know whats my position
21:53.03ArthurLiubroad, and even so, you won't have rankings
21:53.22ArthurLiubroad, you're either over or under the cut-off line
21:53.41ArthurLiuwhat your *real* position is depends on what you achieve at the end of the summer
21:53.52ArthurLiuthat is, if you are selected
21:53.56jawnsyaccording to Wikipedia, "Nearly 7100 proposals were received for the 2008 Summer of Code, of which 1125 were selected." .. that's a lot of proposals! :o
21:53.57lresendebroad: you are among the 2xx student proposals
21:54.25ArthurLiulresende, what are the logistics of handling 200+ proposals ?
21:54.51ArthurLiuwe only have a puny number of proposals, like 40+ at Debian :D
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21:55.31lresendeArthurLiu: i can tell you that it's enough work to keep you very busy in a sunday afternoon, while your kind and wife are having fun at disney :)
21:55.40lresende(your kid)
21:56.15ArthurLiuI know I haven't slept much this week and so, wonder how you manage
21:56.17jawnsyArthurLiu: my count was 25 from the Debian wiki, unless of course there were other proposals not published on the wiki
21:56.38ArthurLiujawnsy, you haven't counted multiple proposals on the same idea
21:57.06jawnsyapparently KDE has a lot of proposals every year
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21:57.20jawnsyI was just perusing the old 2007 GSoC projects.. neat stuff
21:57.28ArthurLiuall umbrella organizations have
21:57.46Corsixexcept one umbrella only got 3 slots apparently
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22:04.59atulagrwlwonders which umbrella org it is?
22:05.20gevaertsthinks that this is confidential :)
22:06.06ArthurLiutis is sekrit :)
22:06.38atulagrwlknows he has to wait 7 more days to know it :)
22:08.46atulagrwlhow may umbrella orgs are there this year
22:08.48blast007points at the topic (prelimary slot allocations)
22:08.56thiago_homeatulagrwl: many
22:09.33olegfinka bit funny (but totally understandable) how something with 'open' in its definition is so cryptic. :-)
22:10.55atulagrwlolegfink, which definition?
22:11.25olegfink'google open source program'?
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22:11.51thiago_homeolegfink: office
22:12.30jawnsymm
22:12.42araujopoints out that sometimes open development needs to go through a closed phase
22:12.45jawnsyblast007: I can't view that, I think it might be mentor-only?
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22:12.54blast007hmm, might be
22:13.02gevaertsit is
22:13.16blast007ah, yeah, mentors list
22:13.22olegfinkwell, that was just a late-night pun
22:13.23thiago_homearaujo: as long as it ends up open eventually :-)
22:13.27olegfinkthiago_home: ?
22:13.35thiago_homeolegfink: google open source program *office*
22:13.38araujothiago_home, correct, it is just a 'phase'
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22:15.28olegfinkand as with development, gsoc will be wide open once all allocations/assignments are done.
22:16.20araujo:)
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22:17.56olegfinkby the way, I've probably gotten out of sync, what is with editable proposals and publicly viewable profiles?
22:18.51thiago_homethe proposals aren't editable
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23:06.56[Evan]So, what's the most work seen done for a single GSoC application? Has anybody heard of somebody creating a prototype before they're accepted?
23:07.54r0bby[Evan]: my friend did
23:08.04r0bbyyou could do prototypes, mock-ups etc
23:08.52[Evan]How good was the prototype?
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23:16.30allisterbI wrote working proof-of-concept code for my project application last year
23:18.19[Evan]allisterb, What project was your code for? How much code? Were you accepted?
23:19.44allisterb[Evan], It was Drupal and I was accepted - it wasn't a great deal but it showed I understood what my idea involved and that I had a good chance of pulling it off
23:20.10carldanididn't ffmpeg require students to submit patches for a few common issues before their app was even considered?
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23:20.53sanoojvlc and x264 are doing that this year as well.  I was surprised, but it's likely a good filter.
23:20.56MatthewWilkescarldani: That's quite common.  We didn't require patched, but we pointed our students in the direction of our bugfixing event
23:21.06jaguarandi!next
23:21.07socinfo"next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th!
23:21.17MatthewWilkesOne showed up.  Coincidentally his app is very highly rated ;)
23:21.45sanoojthe x264 qualification tasks seem pretty hard even. something along the lines of "speed up <component foo written in ARM assembler> by 10%" iirc.
23:22.13carldaniMatthewWilkes: heh. We had students apply, then ask how to compile our code because they didn't even bother to read through our web pages (wiki)
23:22.39MatthewWilkescarldani: I can beat that
23:22.51MatthewWilkescarldani: We got one whose midterm goal was installing the software
23:22.59MatthewWilkes(We're a CMS with a point-and-click installer)
23:23.13carldaniMatthewWilkes: you must be joking.
23:23.17MatthewWilkesnope
23:23.22allisterbMatthewWilkes, not very realistic for Zope/Plone amirite :p
23:23.55MatthewWilkesamirite?
23:24.18carldaniMatthewWilkes: that's not underachieving, that's so low it will show up on the other side of the globe
23:24.19gevaertswill remember that. It may be a good way to tell some orgs what he thinks about their installer :)
23:25.21carldanigevaerts: if you screw up installation of our software, you need a soldering iron in most cases
23:25.23allisterb:p what I mean is Plone is extrmely complex and can be intimidating for someone looking to dive in as a developer.
23:25.50MatthewWilkesallisterb: Ah, we're not that bad, are we?
23:26.06gevaertscarldani: you're not alone there (except that it's only in some cases here):)
23:26.17MatthewWilkesfound it quite friendly
23:26.57carldanigevaerts: yes. replacing the x86 BIOS with no software recovery is not for the faint of heart
23:27.34allisterbMatthewWilkes, I tried getting into Zope 3 but I find the barrier kinda high - and the documentation is atrocious. Ended up getting the world cookery book. Maybe Plone is better?
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23:28.36MatthewWilkesallisterb: Zope 3 is potentially being abandoned as a failed project ;)
23:28.41gevaertscarldani: but have any of your users ever flashed a patch?
23:29.24MatthewWilkesallisterb: I very much hope Plone is better, personally I first used it about 3.5 years ago, and am now a foundation member and on the framework team
23:29.51carldanigevaerts: only full image replacement. That limitation is dictated by hardware.
23:30.00allisterbMatthewWilkes, :0 really. I mean it's really good once you understand it - it just needs better docs. I always thought Zope 3 would provide increasing benefits as your project got larger
23:30.15gevaertscarldani: sure, but you can rename the .diff to .bin and use that!
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23:31.36carldanigevaerts: awesome. simply awesome.
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23:35.32carldanigevaerts: then again, our ROM flasher checks if the size of the image fits the chip. Renaming won't do. I guess we're not giving users enough rope :-P
23:36.06gevaertscarldani: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12937.msg99452#msg99452
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23:37.14carldani"I did the stuff that does the thing and it did the install thing. I did the compile thing"
23:37.19carldanibest. comment. ever.
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23:38.14carldanimust. stop. laughing. and. breathe.
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23:40.57gevaertshopes that he didn't inadvertently kill carldani :)
23:41.19Corsix"It makes a folder that I look in and there it is. I test it on rockbox but nothing happened. I put the player in manufacture mode and renamed rockboxpatch.c to BL_SDboardSupport.rom"
23:41.22Corsixclassic
23:42.07carldanigevaerts: still laughing, but I managed to breathe meanwhile
23:42.51carldanigevaerts: please never tell anybody with asthma about that link
23:42.59gevaertspromises to be careful
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23:43.23CorsixI'm always amazed by people who think that renaming a file extension changes the file
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23:43.31carldaniI need to get a t-shirt with that post
23:43.44carldaniCorsix: well, it works under windows
23:44.00carldanirename anything to .com and you can execute it
23:44.18Corsixyes, but it doesn't make the file contents an executable file
23:44.40Corsixlike renaming .diff to .c doesn't turn it into C source code
23:44.59carldaniCorsix: who cares? it _looks_ right.
23:45.18carldanilike people writing "do some cool animation" in word, then save it as greatdemo.exe
23:45.31gevaertsWell it did *something* to his player
23:46.37carldanigevaerts: is that forum backed up and is the post permanent?
23:46.59carldanigevaerts: I'd rather keep the link instead of having to archive the contents
23:48.01gevaertscarldani: it should be backed up. I don't know if we'll bother converting old posts if we ever switch forum software though
23:48.22carldanigevaerts: great, that's good enough for me
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23:48.37carldaniand once I have this on a t-shirt, the backup is rather permanent
23:48.53[Evan]That's what zazzle's for!
23:51.17[Evan]Evan sounds like he gets a kickback.
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23:57.54anothy_xis there an expectation for when the conflict detection gets turned on?

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