| 00:00.34 | rolly1975 | i think previous mentors have a much better idea of the social dynamics of how these things pan out |
| 00:00.51 | MatthewWilkes | rolly1975: My advice is go for A, SoC isn't a 1 way street, if B isn't going to grow from this it's kind of a waste |
| 00:00.51 | rolly1975 | this is my first time, so im a little bit tentative! :-) |
| 00:00.53 | nuth | SRabbelier: seems you can get http://metalcards.com/ to make them for you |
| 00:01.11 | SRabbelier | nuth: cool :D |
| 00:01.11 | ArthurLiu | rolly1975, what MatthewWilkes said |
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| 00:01.28 | rolly1975 | k, thanks for the advice all, I think thats what i will do after all |
| 00:01.30 | ArthurLiu | think of the learning value |
| 00:01.35 | MatthewWilkes | was first time org-admin last year, has learnt :) |
| 00:01.39 | SRabbelier | time for bed here though :) |
| 00:01.46 | nuth | seems http://jenimattson.com/index.php?id=melvin#identity was the first to make them, so I guess you could try asking him ... says on flickr that's what mitnick did |
| 00:01.53 | WinterMute | MatthewWilkes, what's your org? |
| 00:01.55 | rolly1975 | sure, i would like to give A a chance |
| 00:01.58 | nuth | yeah, long time ago. it's 2am |
| 00:02.14 | WinterMute | ah, plone at a guess |
| 00:02.16 | MatthewWilkes | WinterMute: Plone Foundation |
| 00:02.35 | WinterMute | should've whois'd first :p |
| 00:02.56 | MatthewWilkes | WinterMute: I'm only on 6 plone channels! |
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| 00:03.40 | WinterMute | op on #plone & in #plone-soc is a bit of a giveaway though |
| 00:03.52 | WinterMute | declines to comment on #rubber :p |
| 00:04.09 | MatthewWilkes | WinterMute: Company channel â http://www.teamrubber.com |
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| 00:05.18 | MatthewWilkes | (And I only got ops on #plone 2 weeks ago - it's quite exclusive ;) |
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| 00:13.14 | shyam_k | just out of wierd curiosity and to make it sure around 40 hours minimum left to the deadline?! |
| 00:13.33 | Catfish_Man | that sounds roughly right to me |
| 00:13.41 | Catfish_Man | but I cbf to actually do the math ;) |
| 00:13.42 | shyam_k | cool.. thanks.. |
| 00:14.07 | shyam_k | disolves to bed @5:44 |
| 00:14.21 | shyam_k | time to rest and file it later:) |
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| 00:17.24 | MatthewWilkes | !next |
| 00:17.25 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 00:17.38 | MatthewWilkes | 42 hours |
| 00:19.13 | devilsadvocate | oh crap |
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| 00:37.22 | danderson | wheee |
| 00:37.41 | danderson | measures 44dB with the computer running |
| 00:37.51 | danderson | loves his shiny new multimeter with lots of useless options :D |
| 00:38.08 | MatthewWilkes | danderson: The same can be said about my phone |
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| 00:38.24 | MatthewWilkes | I LOVE that it has an API for getting the current ambient magnetic field strength |
| 00:38.33 | danderson | hehe |
| 00:38.50 | MatthewWilkes | (45µF) |
| 00:38.51 | danderson | yeah, same thing here. The multimeter has the works as far as electric stuff is concerned |
| 00:39.12 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: can it do direction or just strength? |
| 00:39.15 | danderson | but they also threw in a temperature probe, as well as ambient temperature/humidity/noise measurement |
| 00:39.17 | MatthewWilkes | yup |
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| 00:39.41 | MatthewWilkes | going on google street view and selecting compass mode is awesome |
| 00:39.49 | ojwb | cool, so it can orient and presumably has position from gps |
| 00:40.01 | MatthewWilkes | Lock on GPS and turn around and it shows you what you can see |
| 00:40.10 | ojwb | how ... useful |
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| 00:40.34 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: Yeah, hopefully some annotation will be possible soon⦠|
| 00:40.40 | ojwb | or for less money, just cut a rectangular window out of a cereal packet and hold it up at arm's length |
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| 00:42.24 | ojwb | actually, I guess it would be cool if there was a nuclear war (in the unlikely event that streetview was still working) - it would be like a window into the past |
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| 00:42.47 | victorclf | any SDL mentors online? |
| 00:42.56 | ojwb | !anyone |
| 00:42.56 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 00:43.01 | ojwb | victorclf: see above ^^ |
| 00:43.46 | victorclf | thanks |
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| 00:44.27 | allisterb_ | MatthewWilkes, what sort of phone do you have? |
| 00:44.33 | MatthewWilkes | G1 |
| 00:44.45 | allisterb_ | ah yes |
| 00:45.00 | allisterb_ | smirks at iPhone holders |
| 00:45.39 | Catfish_Man | rolls his eyes |
| 00:45.48 | Catfish_Man | android fans are getting to be worse than git fans :P |
| 00:46.36 | MatthewWilkes | Catfish_Man: I've got an excuse, I've only just got it. Anyway, it's not better than my N95, just different enough to be a novelty |
| 00:46.46 | danderson | ojwb: whadya mean "in the unlikely event" |
| 00:46.49 | MatthewWilkes | I do miss the excellent SIP integration, but I love the decent browser |
| 00:47.04 | danderson | google infrastructure is built to withstand the zombie apocalypse. It laughs in the face of your nuclear holocaust :P |
| 00:47.53 | ojwb | aha, so it's true - google *is* skynet, and will trigger the apocalypse |
| 00:48.18 | Catfish_Man | danderson: CADIE has infected the computers of everyone with google apps via google updater, so that's not surprising ;0 |
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| 00:48.20 | Catfish_Man | er, ;) |
| 00:48.40 | danderson | ojwb: nope. We're keeping it sane for now. |
| 00:48.54 | ojwb | sighs, why do the best applicants have to pick the same project? |
| 00:49.05 | danderson | Remember that gmail burp? That was CADIE that decided to cut off our communication networks in preparation for the first strike against humanity |
| 00:49.14 | danderson | but we distracted it by teaching it intercal |
| 00:49.24 | danderson | and now everything's fine again. |
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| 00:51.25 | omniter | anybody here applied for ogre? :D |
| 00:51.48 | pi31416 | what if someone gets accepted by 2 projects? does he select the one he wants to work with? or does google automatically assigns? |
| 00:52.08 | r0bby | pi31416: the two orgs battle it out |
| 00:52.29 | pi31416 | r0bby: what does that mean? |
| 00:52.36 | omniter | so the student gets no say in which one he/she prefers? |
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| 00:53.27 | ojwb | they may get a say |
| 00:53.44 | ojwb | but it is ultimately assumed that if you applied for a project, you're happy doing it |
| 00:54.20 | omniter | *sigh* i still haven't gotten any feedback on my application. i guess this means i won't get any news til the 20th |
| 00:54.21 | omniter | -_- |
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| 00:54.27 | pi31416 | thnx |
| 00:54.29 | omniter | i didn't even get a chance to do a revision :( |
| 00:54.35 | summatusmentis | omniter: ask your org? |
| 00:54.39 | ojwb | omniter: your application is mauve |
| 00:54.45 | omniter | ojwb, mauve? |
| 00:54.55 | ojwb | yes |
| 00:54.55 | pi31416 | omniter: you have to force them to read your application |
| 00:55.01 | Catfish_Man | omniter: a pale purple color |
| 00:55.01 | pi31416 | omniter: i did that. it works |
| 00:55.02 | omniter | isn't that a colour |
| 00:55.12 | ojwb | it is |
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| 00:55.19 | omniter | i don't get it... |
| 00:55.19 | ojwb | is unable to give more detailed comments |
| 00:55.24 | omniter | =\ |
| 00:55.27 | omniter | oh cmon lol |
| 00:55.32 | omniter | what's that supposed to mean |
| 00:55.53 | ojwb | well, it's the closest I can give to useful feedback on an application I haven't seen |
| 00:56.13 | omniter | oh. you're being funny. *sigh* |
| 00:56.16 | ojwb | perhaps it's time for coffee |
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| 00:56.28 | ojwb | omniter: that's debatable... |
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| 01:05.37 | ashishpaliwal | UTC time thats given in timeline is same as GMT right ?? |
| 01:07.38 | ojwb | pretty much |
| 01:07.53 | ojwb | the definitions are different, but they're with a second or so |
| 01:07.57 | ojwb | within |
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| 01:08.25 | ashishpaliwal | hmmm oks thnx |
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| 01:31.15 | omniter | mithro |
| 01:31.27 | mithro | omniter: said, not say :) |
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| 02:05.08 | zooko | Is it kosher to invent and Idea and add it to our Ideas page because that Idea would be especially good for a student who is interested? |
| 02:05.33 | zooko | Or should we sort of try to think of Ideas which are not "biased" towards specific students? |
| 02:05.55 | jmb | students don't have to suggest an idea from your ideas page |
| 02:06.07 | zooko | Thanks! |
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| 02:08.12 | Raim | zooko: most organizations even encourage to come up with blue-sky proposals, as long as they will be discussed with the mentors before |
| 02:08.20 | zooko | Thanks! |
| 02:09.28 | arma | zooko: often the best projects are ones that the students come up with. any ol' student can throw a dart at your ideas page and paste the text into a proposal. |
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| 02:10.12 | zooko | Hello there arma! |
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| 02:12.00 | arma | hey |
| 02:12.17 | keeesooo | where are the mentors? |
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| 02:19.58 | ojwb | !anyone |
| 02:19.58 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 02:20.05 | ojwb | keeesooo: see above ^^ |
| 02:20.48 | keeesooo | oooooooooooh thank |
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| 02:25.22 | andrecastelo | !next |
| 02:25.22 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 02:25.27 | andrecastelo | !extension |
| 02:25.27 | socinfo | "extension" is There is no deadline extension planned at this time. You should not assume that there will be one. |
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| 02:25.45 | keeesooo | Hawthorn Landings where are you ????????????????' |
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| 02:29.39 | scorche | right where it always is? |
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| 02:32.55 | andrecastelo | !timeline |
| 02:32.55 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 02:40.11 | keeesooo | What is the salary of a googler? |
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| 02:42.16 | alexstre^__ | 10^100 $ ? |
| 02:42.43 | gpolo | 1 cent |
| 02:42.45 | gpolo | plus bonuses :) |
| 02:44.17 | scorche | keeesooo: this isnt a general google channel.. |
| 02:44.49 | keeesooo | 250000 |
| 02:44.57 | apaliwal | was nebody hired last time from the people who succesfully completed soc |
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| 02:48.06 | alexstre^__ | I don't think that's something they'd shared, seeing how people would then assume a good gsoc project would lead to a a job at google :/ |
| 02:48.44 | Emmanuel | apaliwal: yep, get a look at this video http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/03/reminder-applications-for-google-summer.html |
| 02:48.48 | ojwb | it does seem that many employers see it as a positive thing though |
| 02:48.48 | apaliwal | thats true...but not in general by google but also by org for which u r working in summer... |
| 02:49.14 | ojwb | so even if it doesn't mean a job a google, a successful gsoc project will probably help employment prospects |
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| 02:50.11 | ojwb | would guess that if you applied to google, they'd look up your project; but if I was hiring and you applied to me, so would I |
| 02:51.06 | koryk | Hey, anyone have a few minutes to give me some feedback on my proposal? |
| 02:51.26 | allisterb_ | koryx, sure |
| 02:51.38 | allisterb_ | err koryk ^^ |
| 02:51.46 | koryk | allisterb_: yessss, http://korykirk.com/GSoC/tor_app.html |
| 02:51.55 | koryk | now everyone knows my name :-p |
| 02:53.17 | mithro | lh: poke? |
| 02:54.59 | keeesooo | alguien aqui q hable spañol? |
| 02:55.58 | allisterb_ | koryk just my opinion but I think it's pretty good |
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| 02:57.12 | jparishy | Why is GSOC limited to students 18 and older? :( |
| 02:57.35 | Fou_Fou | my guess it could easily be legal issues |
| 02:57.50 | Fou_Fou | maybe with child labor laws? |
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| 02:57.52 | caden | keeesooo: if you're looking for someone who speaks Spanish, i think that English is encouraged on IRC so everyone can participate. However there is a thread in the mailing list where there were some mentors who were open to Spanish speaking applicants |
| 02:57.57 | caden | like Sugar Labs |
| 02:58.01 | koryk | pidgin is a dick sometimes |
| 02:58.16 | caden | and Hugin |
| 02:58.23 | Fou_Fou | that, and a lot of time younger persons under the age of 18 need parent permission |
| 02:58.33 | koryk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:58.46 | jparishy | Fou_Fou: What's the issue with parental permission? |
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| 02:59.25 | disismt | Hi , if I submit a proposal, the organization's mentors can see it automatically or we have to provide them the link? |
| 02:59.32 | icez | it's mainly due to child labor laws I heard, but I can't say much more since I'm no lawyer |
| 02:59.43 | icez | you can be a mentor under 18 though |
| 02:59.43 | allisterb_ | koryk well it's definitely worth the effort to submit more than 1 |
| 02:59.48 | Fou_Fou | jparishy: Well, you figure this is an international thing. Add in with getting parental permission for everyone who wants to do it under 18? And the US has very strict child labor laws |
| 02:59.58 | jparishy | Child Labor Laws >_> |
| 03:00.14 | koryk | allisterb_: I don't really have interest any other ones. I have a backup plan too, but I really hope I get this one. |
| 03:00.18 | Fou_Fou | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.26 | scorche | people under 18 cannot legally enter into a contract |
| 03:00.42 | jparishy | sighs |
| 03:00.46 | jparishy | One day... |
| 03:00.50 | allisterb_ | koryk your 1 is pretty good. I can't imagine they would get a better student. Have you been in touch with the org / potential mentors? |
| 03:01.21 | allisterb_ | jparishy, last year Drupal had a mentor who was way younger than the student |
| 03:01.24 | scorche | disismt: it is available to see in the webapp once you submit it |
| 03:01.30 | icez | jparishy, nothing stops you from getting a headstart in opensource and try in a couple years :) |
| 03:01.50 | ojwb | disismt: they can see it, but may not be notified about new apps by email |
| 03:01.54 | ojwb | doesn't seem to be |
| 03:01.59 | jparishy | Hm |
| 03:02.26 | caden | i'd drop by their IRC and mention it |
| 03:02.54 | koryk | allisterb_: as much as I can, as far as I know from lurking the IRC channels almost constantly, I am the only candidate for this project. |
| 03:03.29 | Fou_Fou | jparishy: I agree with icez, get started on open source now. Even if you're not eligible for GSoC, it would still be a worthwhile experience and get your name out there. |
| 03:04.05 | allisterb_ | koryk, ok well find out who would be the mentor and get in direct contact with that person, do they have a mailing list? |
| 03:04.14 | jparishy | I've considered it, just haven't found a project, I've been all that interested. Was hoping GSoC would spark some of it :P |
| 03:04.28 | allisterb_ | jparishy, there's GHOP |
| 03:04.37 | allisterb_ | for they younger hackers |
| 03:04.54 | disismt | ghop is for undergrads? |
| 03:04.58 | caden | the gnu house of pancakes? |
| 03:05.05 | ojwb | koryk: the world does indeed need more back-flipping chilli cook-off judges |
| 03:05.26 | ojwb | would be happy to get more apps like that |
| 03:05.35 | jparishy | allisterb_: Cool stuff, thanks for the info |
| 03:05.41 | ojwb | except I'd have to point out they were sent to the wrong org... |
| 03:06.57 | koryk | allisterb_: yea, I haven't put it up on the mailing list yet, but I pmed the mentor on IRC. |
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| 03:08.03 | ojwb | as a general tip, it's probably better not to PM mentors unless asked to |
| 03:08.34 | koryk | ojwb: he pmed me first |
| 03:08.36 | ojwb | if they don't reply in-channel, that means they aren't available |
| 03:08.37 | caden | even if it's the mentor for the particular project you just applied for? |
| 03:08.40 | ojwb | ok, that's cool then |
| 03:08.43 | allisterb_ | koryk you should do it and make the project as visible as possible and get as much feedback. Sometimes even really good pps can fall by the wayside due to other org concerns |
| 03:09.00 | ojwb | caden: well, it probably depends on the mentor |
| 03:09.03 | koryk | allisterb_: will do, better not waste time, I really appreciate your feedback/advice |
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| 03:09.27 | ojwb | but for most open source orgs, the default is to communicate in public unless there's a good reason not to |
| 03:09.38 | caden | i would think the volume of "i just applied for your proj" pms would be pretty low (and the "sir would you help me read the faq" pms would be unhappily high) |
| 03:09.55 | caden | ojwb: ah, hence the "open" |
| 03:10.13 | icez | ohoh i wanna pm someone to help me read the FAQ :D |
| 03:10.32 | ojwb | lists have archives and many channels are logged, so it's often helpful to find out why something was done the way it was |
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| 03:10.48 | ojwb | and it's more inclusive if anyone can join in |
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| 03:23.57 | alexstre^__ | icez |
| 03:24.09 | icez | ? |
| 03:24.13 | alexstre^__ | you wouldn't be icez from undernet a few years ago would you |
| 03:25.09 | icez | well, I was on unet a few years ago yeah |
| 03:25.20 | alexstre^__ | holy molly |
| 03:25.28 | alexstre^__ | does mast` sound familiar ? |
| 03:25.32 | icez | :) |
| 03:25.34 | icez | hiiiii |
| 03:25.36 | alexstre^__ | :) |
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| 03:49.14 | johnnyk | Hello all |
| 03:49.18 | johnnyk | or |
| 03:49.22 | johnnyk | "Hello, World!" |
| 03:49.57 | johnnyk | I have a question about applying. How do I apply for a proposal that is already being offered (i.e., not my own proposal) |
| 03:50.11 | johnnyk | Should I do that on the "Create a Student Proposal" page? |
| 03:51.00 | homunq | johnnyk: you mean, something off of the ideas list? Or something where somehow you know that somebody else has already applied for the same? |
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| 03:51.52 | johnnyk | Thanks for the response. I guess something off the ideas list, e.g. http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2009/Ideas |
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| 03:53.57 | apaliwal | when you log in there will be link for submit your student proposel on left pane |
| 03:54.16 | apaliwal | click there and there you can select the org where you want to submit |
| 03:54.28 | apaliwal | and then you can fill up the application |
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| 03:54.56 | johnnyk | And I should just basically say "I would like to work on idea x..."? |
| 03:55.08 | sarguru | !mentors |
| 03:55.08 | socinfo | Error: "mentors" is not a valid command. |
| 03:55.24 | sarguru | !list |
| 03:55.25 | socinfo | Error: "list" is not a valid command. |
| 03:55.31 | johnnyk | haha |
| 03:55.33 | johnnyk | !sorry |
| 03:55.34 | socinfo | Error: "sorry" is not a valid command. |
| 03:55.39 | sarguru | hi,anyone from india |
| 03:55.41 | johnnyk | :) |
| 03:55.48 | apaliwal | there will be a place for title |
| 03:55.49 | Fou_Fou | johnnyk: basically |
| 03:55.51 | apaliwal | there you can enter |
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| 03:55.58 | apaliwal | sarguru: yeah |
| 03:56.05 | ojwb | johnnyk: but in a *lot* more detail than that... |
| 03:56.07 | apaliwal | from IITK |
| 03:56.08 | Fou_Fou | saraguru: sorry, nope |
| 03:56.34 | sarguru | which place and which organization r u applyin for |
| 03:56.48 | apaliwal | 2 places |
| 03:56.48 | apaliwal | apache |
| 03:56.48 | apaliwal | and codehaus |
| 03:56.48 | sarguru | then |
| 03:56.48 | sarguru | k |
| 03:57.26 | apaliwal | you |
| 03:57.26 | apaliwal | wowa....what is going on |
| 03:57.54 | Fou_Fou | ...it's like everyone is quitting at the same time? |
| 03:57.54 | sarguru | me from NIT Jaipur |
| 03:57.54 | apaliwal | oks |
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| 03:57.55 | apaliwal | some split is there |
| 03:57.55 | ojwb | Fou_Fou: it'll just be an irc "netsplit" |
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| 03:58.04 | Fou_Fou | ojwb: ok |
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| 03:58.29 | apaliwal | n now everyone joined bak |
| 03:58.29 | ojwb | to them it'll look like we fell off |
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| 03:58.29 | sarguru | yeah\ |
| 03:58.30 | apaliwal | exactly |
| 03:58.31 | lifeeth | apaliwal, also join ##gsoc-india :) |
| 03:58.42 | apaliwal | oks..can I join 2 channels at the same time |
| 03:58.42 | icez | yep |
| 03:58.53 | lifeeth | apaliwal, As many as you want :) |
| 03:58.59 | sarguru | i hav joined |
| 03:59.36 | apaliwal | oks |
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| 04:00.40 | sarguru | anybody applying for suse |
| 04:00.41 | apaliwal | guess name has to be different in all diff channels |
| 04:00.50 | sarguru | no dude |
| 04:01.16 | icez | you can join up to 20 channels with the same name on freenode |
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| 04:01.25 | Catfish_Man | durin42: heh, the bot got floodkicked |
| 04:01.37 | icez | unless you're using a not so good web-based IRC client |
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| 04:02.26 | apaliwal | hmmm |
| 04:02.44 | sarguru | mmm |
| 04:02.58 | sarguru | anybody applying for suse |
| 04:04.01 | johnnyk | sarguru: are you a mentor for suse? |
| 04:04.07 | sarguru | hehe |
| 04:04.09 | sarguru | lols |
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| 04:04.13 | apaliwal | hehe |
| 04:04.15 | sarguru | im an applicant |
| 04:04.16 | apaliwal | lolz |
| 04:04.21 | johnnyk | ahh I see I see |
| 04:04.41 | johnnyk | I have a random question, where should I attach my resume? |
| 04:04.47 | sarguru | jus wanted to find a fellow applicant |
| 04:04.50 | johnnyk | It doesn't seem theres a standard way of doing that |
| 04:04.55 | sarguru | post it on ur bnlog |
| 04:05.03 | sarguru | or some thing else |
| 04:05.16 | sarguru | give the link |
| 04:05.23 | sarguru | dats wat i did |
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| 04:05.35 | johnnyk | ahh ok, I figured that would work |
| 04:05.35 | sarguru | hav u submitted ur assignment |
| 04:05.40 | johnnyk | not yet, no |
| 04:05.48 | apaliwal | is it imp to give your resume |
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| 04:05.56 | johnnyk | Yes yes, I thought it wouold be |
| 04:06.02 | sarguru | not sooo much dude |
| 04:06.06 | sarguru | i think so |
| 04:06.15 | gpolo | I found out that this 500 characters limit may be too low for some kind of proposals |
| 04:06.17 | sarguru | cos i wrote half of t n ma app |
| 04:06.22 | johnnyk | oh "is it", I thought you said "it is" |
| 04:06.27 | johnnyk | so that was a question... :) |
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| 04:06.37 | apaliwal | yeah :) |
| 04:06.38 | sarguru | :)\ |
| 04:06.46 | johnnyk | couldn't hurt |
| 04:07.14 | apaliwal | yeah...but most of the details will already be there in the template... |
| 04:07.16 | allisterb_ | sarguru, in your app you can summarize your experience and then pput a link to your full resume |
| 04:07.31 | sarguru | dats a gud idea |
| 04:07.43 | sarguru | i mailed ma resume to my mentor |
| 04:07.52 | johnnyk | general question, how difficult is it to get a spot in this anyway |
| 04:08.07 | johnnyk | it would be a dream to participate in this, but I just hope I can get in |
| 04:08.28 | sarguru | true dude |
| 04:08.36 | icez | you can't win if you don't try |
| 04:08.37 | Catfish_Man | last year about 1200/7500 were accepted, iirc |
| 04:08.47 | johnnyk | thats a reasonable ratio |
| 04:08.53 | sarguru | yeah |
| 04:08.59 | johnnyk | better than the lotto :P |
| 04:09.08 | apaliwal | 7500 were applications |
| 04:09.11 | apaliwal | not applicants |
| 04:09.18 | Catfish_Man | ah ok |
| 04:09.18 | apaliwal | applicant were 3000 around |
| 04:09.22 | Catfish_Man | I always forget |
| 04:09.47 | sarguru | if your in good touch with your mentor ur chances go up right |
| 04:09.48 | johnnyk | Do you mean 4500 people signed up for the site and didn't contact any organizaitons? |
| 04:10.02 | Catfish_Man | johnnyk: no, people filed multiple proposals |
| 04:10.15 | johnnyk | ahh ahh I see |
| 04:10.24 | johnnyk | thats even better then |
| 04:10.26 | sarguru | ... |
| 04:10.30 | johnnyk | roughly half |
| 04:10.45 | sarguru | dats a gud ratio dude |
| 04:10.47 | rwcr | I submitted my application a few days ago. Today I went to revise it and it wouldn't let me use my unchanged abstract because it was too long. :-/ |
| 04:11.03 | johnnyk | alright I guess I'm off to work on this |
| 04:11.06 | johnnyk | good luck everybody |
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| 04:11.15 | apaliwal | same to you |
| 04:11.32 | sarguru | bye ppl |
| 04:11.42 | Leonox1 | is someone familiarized with var_SetInteger in include/vlc_variables.h? I want to add an action to a Qt4 button (subtitles button) in modules/gui/qt4/actions_manager.cpp I used gdb and I could step in the function... and I get the debugging messages... but it doesn't seem to work... I'm new to VLC any idea? |
| 04:11.53 | Leonox1 | http://paste.uni.cc/19830 |
| 04:12.06 | rwcr | Leonox1: I think you'd be best off asking that in a VLC channel. |
| 04:12.39 | Leonox1 | rwcr: ouch... wrong channel... :P |
| 04:12.46 | rwcr | No worries :-) |
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| 04:28.46 | the9a3eedi | question: what's good "brain food" ? when your brain is exhausted from a lot of work, but you're not done from work yet, and you NEED to get work done. is there something you can eat that will bring your brain to full power once again? |
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| 04:29.25 | Mkop2 | carbs |
| 04:29.59 | caden | liquified fish shakes |
| 04:30.03 | icez | some people would say caffeine :P |
| 04:30.10 | Ori_B | goes to sleep. |
| 04:30.14 | Landon | oh man |
| 04:30.14 | caden | i meant with caffeine |
| 04:30.16 | Landon | I have some sardines |
| 04:30.18 | Landon | WITH MY NAME ON THEM |
| 04:30.24 | Landon | no forks though |
| 04:30.25 | Landon | dang |
| 04:30.35 | the9a3eedi | I dunno about you, but caffiene makes me distracted :P |
| 04:30.53 | Ori_B | try tea -- it's slower acting and less intense than coffee. |
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| 04:31.32 | scorche | \o/ tea \o/ |
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| 04:32.04 | Landon | you know what I hate about weird sleep schedules |
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| 04:32.07 | Landon | eating during the night |
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| 04:32.25 | fakeer | 3rd April is last for what and 20th April is last date for...........? |
| 04:32.35 | Landon | 3rd is last for submitting proposals |
| 04:32.38 | the9a3eedi | Tea > coffee |
| 04:32.49 | ecin | Oh noes, two days left! |
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| 04:32.55 | icez | 20th is when the results are announced |
| 04:32.56 | the9a3eedi | personally, I mix tea with certain spices.. like saffron, cardamom, and cinnamon |
| 04:33.00 | the9a3eedi | with evaporated milk |
| 04:33.04 | caden | and salmon |
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| 04:33.09 | the9a3eedi | wut |
| 04:33.13 | Mkop2 | tea with salmon?!!?! |
| 04:33.15 | ecin | self.sleep # => NoMethodError |
| 04:33.17 | Mkop2 | lol |
| 04:33.27 | Ori_B | the9a3eedi: I just have it straight. |
| 04:33.46 | Ori_B | good quality tea with no additives :) |
| 04:33.51 | Ori_B | and.. I should go to bed. |
| 04:33.58 | caden | i need milk and sugar in my tea |
| 04:34.08 | caden | good coffee should be black though |
| 04:34.15 | the9a3eedi | Ori_B, straight tea is too bitter for my tastes :P .. I also need milk (evaporated milk, normal milk is bleh) .. and sugar |
| 04:35.01 | Ori_B | depends on the tea. |
| 04:35.14 | Ori_B | prods a little bit more at some code before going to bed. |
| 04:35.25 | Landon | I need to finish a programming assignment |
| 04:35.28 | Landon | yay for no class tomorrow though |
| 04:35.29 | Landon | :) |
| 04:35.48 | the9a3eedi | I'm doing a Theory of Computation assignment |
| 04:35.55 | the9a3eedi | darn turing machines :( |
| 04:36.20 | Landon | I'm implementing a dictionary |
| 04:36.24 | Landon | hates C# with a passion : |
| 04:36.32 | Landon | 50% of my time is spent fighting with it |
| 04:36.40 | the9a3eedi | What's wrong with C#? everywhere I go people praise it |
| 04:36.49 | the9a3eedi | I haven't really used it, so i dunno |
| 04:37.07 | Landon | the9a3eedi: I'm too used to python |
| 04:37.17 | Landon | :P |
| 04:37.21 | the9a3eedi | lol, k |
| 04:37.23 | Landon | thats probably a lot of my problem |
| 04:37.24 | Landon | but meh |
| 04:37.36 | caden | i'm not crazy about C# either, but mostly it's because it seems like when people learn it they are too dependent on the GUI |
| 04:37.41 | Landon | only languages I want to know now are assembly, C, and python |
| 04:38.00 | caden | and since I work in a tutoring center in the CS department it is REALLY irksome when people come in with these convoluted piles of **** that they don't understand the structure of |
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| 04:38.39 | Landon | what really irks me though is |
| 04:38.45 | Landon | I'm in data structures to learn about data structures |
| 04:38.51 | Landon | not building guis in C# |
| 04:38.59 | the9a3eedi | I'd like to learn modern assembly. I know x86 assembly, but with a horribly outdated assembler, and with DOS (using Borland's tasm assembler) |
| 04:39.05 | the9a3eedi | I';d like to learn nasm |
| 04:39.20 | icez | Landon, they're making you use C# in your data structures class? |
| 04:39.22 | pcmattman | nasm isn't a language |
| 04:39.26 | Landon | icez: yeah |
| 04:39.29 | icez | :[ |
| 04:39.56 | Landon | the9a3eedi: I think I'll just stick with assembly for microcontrollers :P its still so much fun though |
| 04:39.58 | the9a3eedi | pcmattman, well, afaik every assembler has its own syntax or "style".. so code that works in one assembler usually doesn't work without modification on another assembler, right? |
| 04:40.10 | the9a3eedi | what |
| 04:40.10 | pcmattman | that doesn't make nasm a language |
| 04:40.12 | Upthorn | nasm is a specific assembler for x86 (though maybe there's also x64 support now?) assembly language |
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| 04:40.36 | mots4u | hello all!! |
| 04:40.40 | Landon | hi! |
| 04:40.43 | the9a3eedi | pcmattman, well, that's what I meant when I said "I wanted to learn nasm" |
| 04:40.51 | the9a3eedi | what's wrong with using C# in data structures? lol .. In my data structures class we used java :P |
| 04:41.03 | Upthorn | however, nasm may have syntactical and pre-assembler differences from tasm which require learning |
| 04:41.10 | pcmattman | the9a3eedi: so you want to learn x86 assembly using intel syntax then |
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| 04:41.33 | icez | i think he doesn't like the making of GUIs half of the time in a course about data structures |
| 04:41.36 | caden | it's weird doing data structures in java. "your prof wants you to implement a linked list? um... it has that. no but you still have to learn it. i don't know why it's important you just do. just do it. just write it. stop asking me." |
| 04:41.42 | the9a3eedi | pcmattman, hmm? are you saying that tasm didn't use "intel syntax" ? :P |
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| 04:41.56 | pcmattman | i meant to add to that "with the nasm assembler" |
| 04:42.48 | mots4u | i am writing an application for a organization, they have many ideas .can my single application address to more than one ideas... |
| 04:42.48 | pcmattman | was distracted by another IRC channel |
| 04:42.48 | mots4u | ? |
| 04:42.48 | Landon | icez: exactly :P we should be learning about STDIN and STDOUT if we want any user input |
| 04:42.48 | pcmattman | mots4u: can you prove to them that you can pull it all off in the time provided? |
| 04:42.49 | Landon | not spending an hour figuring out how to make a open/save dialog work |
| 04:42.59 | icez | we used java too... |
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| 04:43.12 | Landon | C# is pretty useless to google for too :( |
| 04:43.15 | the9a3eedi | caden, the point of using java or C# as opposed to using C or C++ is to of concentrate your efforts on learning the essentials of data structures rather than making sure that your memory allocates right or that pointers work nice, |
| 04:43.31 | Landon | it seems you always get people asking for homework help |
| 04:43.42 | mots4u | ...if some ideas are related...i jst want that i can do any one of them.. |
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| 04:43.48 | mots4u | or more |
| 04:44.05 | caden | the9a3eedi: my point was that those data structures are already readily available in Java and C# so it's hard to motivate students to learn how to implement them |
| 04:44.05 | Landon | yes you can apply for more than one idea to an org |
| 04:44.22 | icez | mots4u, you can give your own ideas, so I presume combining some of them in the same application as long as it's doable within the timeframe is alright |
| 04:44.34 | the9a3eedi | caden, yeah, I found that funny too. but usually if you use the avaliable libraries in C# or Java in that course, you fail :P |
| 04:44.37 | hypa7ia | caden: they way my school gets around that is just saying "you won't get any marks if you use the built in $foo on this assignment" |
| 04:44.46 | hypa7ia | the9a3eedi: exactly ) |
| 04:45.04 | caden | the9a3eedi: i even had a student who was supposed to implement the linked list class, and had only written about half of it in a horribly broken way, but had, without understanding it, put an import LinkedList statement at the top, so all his code ran |
| 04:45.04 | the9a3eedi | caden, besides, I'm sure there are free libraries for C/C++ out there that implement data strucutures :P |
| 04:45.22 | hypa7ia | caden: see that student would just have failed |
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| 04:45.42 | caden | well i had to explain it to him as it is my job :( |
| 04:45.55 | Landon | wants a slanket |
| 04:46.04 | caden | the9a3eedi: yes there are. not sure what you're trying to say? |
| 04:47.05 | pcmattman | there would be free libraries for C# that do data structures too |
| 04:47.06 | the9a3eedi | caden, my point is, if it's avaliable on C/C++ anyway, why not use java? |
| 04:47.28 | caden | the9a3eedi: i didn't say not to... why not indeed? |
| 04:47.36 | the9a3eedi | oh |
| 04:47.38 | the9a3eedi | ..... |
| 04:47.55 | the9a3eedi | I'm sorry, my brain is tired. please excuse me :P |
| 04:48.05 | caden | i'm pretty language/technology agnostic, i don't really care what i program in much of the time |
| 04:48.21 | caden | although i see i don't like assembler as much as the people here! :) |
| 04:48.44 | caden | Landon: what is a slanket |
| 04:48.50 | pcmattman | caden: i'm not as much an assembly fan either, it's not portable across architectures |
| 04:48.53 | Landon | A BLANKET WITH SLEEVES |
| 04:48.56 | caden | HAHAHAHAH |
| 04:49.03 | Landon | www.slanket.com |
| 04:49.06 | Landon | oh man itd be amazing |
| 04:49.07 | scorche | ... |
| 04:49.15 | caden | i think they sell them here as snugggies or something |
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| 04:49.22 | the9a3eedi | Question: would you get a Sony Ericsson Xperia X1, or a T-Mobile G1 (HTC Dream) |
| 04:49.25 | Landon | caden: yeah, different brand |
| 04:49.26 | pcmattman | just stich up your blanket? |
| 04:49.29 | caden | slanket sounds like horrible insult |
| 04:49.38 | Landon | caden: you're such a slanket |
| 04:49.42 | Landon | now I just need to find a hammock stand |
| 04:49.47 | pcmattman | :/ |
| 04:49.50 | Landon | and I can lounge around outside at night over the summer |
| 04:49.52 | caden | well, with T-Mobile, you have to buy a more expensive data plan that is exclusive to the G1 |
| 04:50.13 | the9a3eedi | caden, I live in canada. No T-mobile here :P so I'm getting the unlocked versino |
| 04:50.16 | caden | i have T-Mobile and was all keen to upgrade until i realized my rates would also go way up |
| 04:50.31 | ilovecomputers | By how much? |
| 04:50.34 | the9a3eedi | I also have a dataplan.. 500MB for 25$ per month. not bad |
| 04:50.45 | caden | NICE. I have a Nokia E-70 unlocked. It was worth the extra money. |
| 04:50.46 | werdna | that's pretty impressive |
| 04:50.53 | pcmattman | is that data on top of normal call rates? |
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| 04:50.59 | caden | ilovecomputers: i don't remember :) too much! |
| 04:51.07 | pcmattman | or $25 for 500 MB and calls/text? |
| 04:51.13 | xiaohui | hi:-) |
| 04:51.19 | the9a3eedi | pcmattman, nah, it's on top |
| 04:51.29 | the9a3eedi | its something you add to your plan |
| 04:51.38 | ilovecomputers | I do know blackberry's data plan is $20 a month |
| 04:51.41 | pcmattman | ah right, i pay $45 montly for 250 MB of data and $300 worth of calls & text |
| 04:51.45 | pcmattman | $45 AUD that is |
| 04:51.47 | the9a3eedi | but my calling plan isn't much, as I dont call much |
| 04:52.02 | pcmattman | so $40 canadian dollars |
| 04:52.13 | the9a3eedi | blackberries get the most awesome offers for some reason. i never understood why blackberries |
| 04:52.23 | caden | that's probably like $400 US by now |
| 04:52.26 | pcmattman | they're practically sponsored by big business |
| 04:52.31 | the9a3eedi | hmmm |
| 04:52.36 | caden | i'm going to convert all of my money into canned tuna or something |
| 04:52.59 | pcmattman | caden: probably get you twice the real value |
| 04:53.22 | the9a3eedi | caden, you'll eat it all before you get the chance to sell them |
| 04:53.55 | the9a3eedi | so what about the X1? the people I know either love the heck out of it, or hate the guts out of it |
| 04:53.55 | pcmattman | the money melts down into the cans, which aren't edible, and the paper goes into beign the tuna |
| 04:54.32 | caden | the9a3eedi: ahh... but i don't actually like canned tuna. it's all part of my long term investment plan |
| 04:55.00 | pcmattman | my long term investment plan involves not living in the US ;) |
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| 04:55.06 | the9a3eedi | hmm.. what to eat.. instant noodles? or popcorn? |
| 04:55.10 | caden | the9a3eedi: i am ignorant, what is the X1? i have the feeling if i google it i'll get a bunch of weird stuff |
| 04:55.11 | Landon | I want to eat my sardines |
| 04:55.12 | Landon | :( |
| 04:55.16 | caden | why can't you? |
| 04:55.18 | Landon | no fork! |
| 04:55.23 | Landon | or any sort of utensils |
| 04:55.26 | the9a3eedi | caden: the X1 is a sony erricsson Windows Mobile 6.1 based phone |
| 04:55.29 | the9a3eedi | smartphone |
| 04:55.33 | pcmattman | Landon: that's what you get for running on Windows ;) |
| 04:55.34 | caden | ahh |
| 04:55.41 | the9a3eedi | rather expensive, at 810 canadian dollars, but has quite a lot of features |
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| 04:55.47 | Landon | pcmattman: I only rebooted to use visual studio, I swear! |
| 04:55.52 | pcmattman | hehe |
| 04:56.03 | caden | Landon: that doesn't make it right |
| 04:56.12 | Landon | (another reason I dislike using C#, I'd fail if I tried using GTK# or whatever to make the guis :() |
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| 04:56.48 | pcmattman | there's nothing wrong with windows, i do all my OS development on it without any difficulty at all |
| 04:56.52 | caden | well, how many free apps can you get for andoid now and how many free apps can you get for windows mobile? |
| 04:56.57 | ilovecomputers | Question: I just heard about GSoC opening up for applications because I spent last week learning JavaFX for Sun's competition. Is it already too late to apply? |
| 04:56.58 | the9a3eedi | Landon, but isn't that a problem with any language that isn't C/C++? :P I haven't had much experience with using external libraries so i dunno |
| 04:57.01 | Landon | pcmattman: I have a much better workflow set up on linux |
| 04:57.11 | Catfish_Man | ilovecomputers: you have until friday |
| 04:57.20 | ojwb | !next |
| 04:57.20 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 04:57.23 | Landon | the9a3eedi: probably, but I spend most of my time non-gui with python and assembly |
| 04:57.31 | ojwb | ilovecomputers: that's the deadline ^^ |
| 04:57.38 | pcmattman | Landon: ah, workflow... the only thing stopping me from running Linux is that i don't have any spare partitions or disk space to install it on |
| 04:57.48 | the9a3eedi | caden, windows mobile has been out for a while. my old phone was a windows mobile phone. I had some free apps, like a free vlc-ish video player, an IRC client, a multi-IM client, among others |
| 04:57.59 | the9a3eedi | but I think the android has a bigger opensource community |
| 04:58.20 | the9a3eedi | or its community is growing very fast.. seeing as how google did the initiative of stimulating the community |
| 04:58.22 | Landon | pcmattman: I know I can "upgrade" the windows shell, but it'd still feel like a second class citizen to me |
| 04:59.18 | the9a3eedi | i think ill make some noodles |
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| 04:59.32 | ilovecomputers | ojwb: I know about the deadline, but there seems too much to do and too little time. Has anyone ever applied 3 days before the due date and got selected? |
| 04:59.36 | pcmattman | Landon: i personally use Cygwin so i get a bash shell on windows, but it's still below par compared to native linux (especially in regards to speed). |
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| 05:00.20 | Fou_Fou | pcmattman: I agree. Cygwin is helpful when I'm on a windows machine, but the slower speed is sometimes annoying |
| 05:00.24 | ojwb | ilovecomputers: I suspect so, but I don't know for sure |
| 05:00.47 | ojwb | get researching and talking to orgs with interesting projects soon though! |
| 05:00.49 | nightlyhawk | ilovecomputers: yeh, that's possible. i did so 2 years go ;) |
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| 05:01.18 | pcmattman | i might see if i can convince Cygwin to enter into GSoC next year |
| 05:02.25 | ilovecomputers | Thanks for the reassurance. I'll start now... |
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| 05:23.41 | Wolf_OSGeo | lh, are you still up? |
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| 05:29.23 | homunq | !around |
| 05:29.23 | socinfo | "around" is If you have a question, ask it. If you have something that you need to tell our gracious channel master, email it. Please do not ping her until you've stated your question and the channel can't answer it. |
| 05:29.34 | homunq | Wolf_OSGeo: ^^^ |
| 05:30.11 | Wolf_OSGeo | stands corrected |
| 05:30.57 | Toba | gives Wolf_OSGeo a festive hat |
| 05:31.26 | Wolf_OSGeo | stands corrected with a festive hat :D |
| 05:31.45 | caden | Wolf_OSGeo: where did you get that spanking hat? |
| 05:32.29 | Wolf_OSGeo | points at Toba |
| 05:32.52 | Toba | I'm not spanking him. |
| 05:33.00 | Toba | it's like the guys going around spray painting 'dig safe' everywhere |
| 05:33.05 | Toba | I'm not gonna dig, but now someone else will |
| 05:33.06 | caden | maybe i should have said "smashing hat" |
| 05:33.30 | caden | what is "dig safe" |
| 05:33.40 | atulagrwl | I saw some comment on my project proposal page as Public review.. Is these comment from mentor/admin? |
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| 05:34.10 | Toba | it's a company in the northeast of the united states that keeps track of what pipes/utility corridors /etc are under streets |
| 05:34.52 | caden | oh, from the spray painting i thought it was a new tag that the kids were doing |
| 05:35.03 | icez | lol |
| 05:35.11 | Toba | haha |
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| 05:41.23 | Wolf_OSGeo | atulagrwl: yes |
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| 06:03.57 | pi31415926535 | everybody done with proposals? |
| 06:04.42 | icez | i am here |
| 06:05.07 | Landon | I'm done with one' |
| 06:05.13 | Landon | need t revise it though |
| 06:05.30 | caden | yes unless someone requests clarification |
| 06:05.32 | Landon | and hopefully work on another, although not sure how good it will be compared to the first |
| 06:06.28 | ecin | Done with one, one more for sure, a third one if time permits. |
| 06:07.10 | rwcr | Done with one and revised it following feedback. |
| 06:07.10 | pi31415926535 | theres 36 hours for the deadline |
| 06:07.23 | ecin | That's good to know. |
| 06:07.29 | summatusmentis | uh... you guys know there were 2 weeks right? |
| 06:07.36 | ojwb | boggles at a student sending 10 applications to the same org |
| 06:07.47 | caden | did someone do that? |
| 06:07.50 | Landon | summatusmentis: SHH |
| 06:07.51 | Landon | "[ |
| 06:07.52 | ecin | I was about to ask. |
| 06:07.58 | caden | was it Landon??? |
| 06:08.00 | caden | hehhheh |
| 06:08.06 | ojwb | caden: well, unless I'm misreading a mail to the mentors list |
| 06:08.11 | pi31415926535 | i proposed 3 ideas which is optimum i guess |
| 06:08.27 | caden | i thought you would propose 3.14 :P |
| 06:08.56 | pi31415926535 | :D i did but the told me that they are working with integers only |
| 06:09.04 | ecin | Well, also consider that some students take the template, and write a short paragraph to each question. |
| 06:09.06 | ecin | And that's it. |
| 06:09.11 | ecin | 10 applications in that manner seems plausible. |
| 06:09.12 | summatusmentis | oh, hrr |
| 06:09.13 | rwcr | There are 86 days in GSoC, so if you propose something that'd only take 12 days... that's 0.14 of a proposal :-) |
| 06:09.24 | ojwb | some write less than a paragraph |
| 06:09.29 | summatusmentis | I've been sitting here fore days wondering why you have a huge string of numbers at the end of your nick |
| 06:09.30 | ecin | 86 days... sounds so much shorter that way. |
| 06:10.09 | pi31415926535 | summatusmentis: lol =) |
| 06:10.10 | rwcr | ecin: It *is* a pretty short period. Goes by quicker than you expect, or so I've heard. |
| 06:10.20 | ecin | heads on to whiteboard to plan the remaining 36 hours. |
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| 06:10.26 | ojwb | it's interesting how the same span of time can sound so different in different units |
| 06:10.29 | pi31415926535 | i used to memorize about 200 digits but now i forgot all |
| 06:10.34 | pi31415926535 | just know about 20 |
| 06:10.56 | icez | i'm happy with knowing 6 :P |
| 06:11.05 | caden | i know.... well how many am i looking at in your nick right now... i could tell you that many |
| 06:11.15 | summatusmentis | ultimately, I'm happy w/ 3.14 |
| 06:11.25 | pi31415926535 | :D |
| 06:11.37 | pi31415926535 | import math |
| 06:11.41 | pi31415926535 | print math.pi |
| 06:11.42 | pi31415926535 | =) |
| 06:11.55 | ecin | Ah, Pi-thon. |
| 06:11.55 | summatusmentis | what obscure language is this? |
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| 06:12.06 | summatusmentis | you're missing all the *s and &s |
| 06:12.16 | Landon | what |
| 06:12.19 | Landon | where are all the parens |
| 06:12.25 | pi31415926535 | summatusmentis: python |
| 06:12.26 | summatusmentis | and don't even get me started on ; and printf() |
| 06:12.36 | icez | they vanished into the imaginary coordinates :] |
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| 06:13.01 | ecin | Gah! This channel is so good for procrastinating! I must escape its evil grasp! |
| 06:13.13 | ecin | leaves with a whooshing sound. |
| 06:13.18 | ajuonline | irc is addictive |
| 06:13.26 | summatusmentis | that's the deadline soon enough |
| 06:13.30 | summatusmentis | (the wooshing sound) |
| 06:13.40 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: it very much is |
| 06:13.48 | summatusmentis | and not conducive to spanish homework |
| 06:13.59 | ajuonline | or writing your proposal |
| 06:14.09 | pi31415926535 | It is 1 day, 12 hours, 46 minutes until Friday, April 3, 2009 at 7:00:00 |
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| 06:14.13 | summatusmentis | psh, some of us aren't slackers |
| 06:14.26 | pi31415926535 | :P |
| 06:14.31 | summatusmentis | at least not wrt GSoC |
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| 06:14.41 | icez | some folks like the rush of having 30 minutes left to do something |
| 06:14.46 | summatusmentis | my spanish homework is due tomorrow, and I haven't even started the reading |
| 06:14.57 | summatusmentis | icez: that rush makes me tweaky |
| 06:15.59 | pi31415926535 | icez: people around the mediterranean sea usualy do their work in last minute =) |
| 06:16.42 | icez | i'm guilty of doing that with my CS assignments :P |
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| 06:17.09 | summatusmentis | everyone is guilty of doing that with their CS assignments |
| 06:17.12 | icez | worked well so far |
| 06:17.44 | Ratty | All the instructor wants is for you to get her done. |
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| 06:18.05 | Ratty | He could careless if you wait to the last minuet |
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| 06:18.12 | caden | she'd also like you not to email her at 11:59 asking for an extension |
| 06:18.20 | icez | never had a female CS instructor yet |
| 06:18.21 | Ratty | Haha |
| 06:18.35 | caden | or attaching a "i'd have put in comments but i didn't have tiiimmme" note |
| 06:18.40 | caden | really? i've had some great ones |
| 06:19.01 | chunmun | !extension |
| 06:19.01 | socinfo | "extension" is There is no deadline extension planned at this time. You should not assume that there will be one. |
| 06:19.05 | chunmun | :P |
| 06:19.07 | caden | almost half of mine have been female at my current school |
| 06:19.11 | summatusmentis | we have two women CS profs, one is ridiculously hard w/ high expectations, and one is really easy, and almost afraid of her students |
| 06:19.24 | ojwb | if there was an extension, I suspect it wouldn't be announced this late |
| 06:19.27 | caden | summatusmentis: what school? |
| 06:19.32 | Ratty | lol |
| 06:19.35 | summatusmentis | caden: morris.umn.edu |
| 06:19.44 | caden | if you get stuff in on time it's kind of annoying when they give extensions |
| 06:19.48 | ojwb | unless the webapp goes down for hours just before the deadline, perhaps |
| 06:19.52 | summatusmentis | ojwb: the extension last year was really late announced |
| 06:20.01 | summatusmentis | +grammar to make that a sentence |
| 06:20.18 | caden | is that a big school summatusmentis? |
| 06:20.28 | summatusmentis | caden: nope, 1,700 students |
| 06:20.33 | ojwb | summatusmentis: I think in hindsight it was probably a mistake last year, but my memory is a bit hazy |
| 06:20.36 | summatusmentis | about 80 in the CS discipline |
| 06:20.43 | caden | wow |
| 06:20.56 | summatusmentis | 2/3 of our faculty are women |
| 06:21.03 | caden | i did my undergrad at UW-Madison and i think there were a few thousand in the computer and engineering schools |
| 06:21.08 | ecin | summatusmentis: talk about twilight zone-ish. |
| 06:21.10 | caden | studetns i mean, not female profs |
| 06:21.18 | caden | i dont' think he means the cs faculty |
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| 06:21.45 | summatusmentis | 'he' who? |
| 06:21.47 | summatusmentis | I'm confused |
| 06:21.50 | caden | you |
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| 06:21.56 | summatusmentis | I do mean the cs faculty |
| 06:21.57 | caden | 2/3 of your cs faculty are womeon or all faculty? |
| 06:22.01 | caden | coool |
| 06:22.04 | summatusmentis | our cs faculty |
| 06:22.05 | summatusmentis | yeah |
| 06:22.18 | caden | so you only have 3 profs in cs? |
| 06:22.24 | summatusmentis | yes |
| 06:22.29 | summatusmentis | like I said, 80 students |
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| 06:22.31 | summatusmentis | :-D |
| 06:22.41 | caden | ahh i assumed 2 profs would be a very low percentage |
| 06:22.43 | caden | my bad |
| 06:22.48 | summatusmentis | no worries :) |
| 06:23.04 | caden | i often wish i'd gone to a school where it was small enough that you'd actually know your professors and tehy'd know you |
| 06:23.08 | summatusmentis | we're a compus w/in the umn.edu system |
| 06:23.15 | caden | i totally got lost in the shuffle |
| 06:23.17 | caden | u-minn |
| 06:23.19 | caden | ? |
| 06:23.22 | summatusmentis | yep |
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| 06:23.33 | summatusmentis | main campus is in St. Paul/Minneapolis |
| 06:23.38 | summatusmentis | we're 3 hours west of there |
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| 06:24.01 | caden | they have a reciprocal tuition agreement with UW so we had a bunch o' Minnesotans on campus |
| 06:24.21 | summatusmentis | it's nice knowing your professors, but it means you can't skip class very easily :) |
| 06:24.27 | caden | heh heh |
| 06:24.32 | summatusmentis | yeh, wisconsonians get cheaper tuition than we do |
| 06:24.36 | caden | skip class ? <innocent look> |
| 06:24.37 | summatusmentis | because of reciprocity |
| 06:24.40 | Niks | devon@plan9 der ? |
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| 06:25.01 | asdlkf | waves |
| 06:25.08 | Niks | *@plan9 der ? |
| 06:25.09 | summatusmentis | caden: by skip class, I meant, get sick |
| 06:25.18 | caden | !anyone |
| 06:25.18 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 06:25.44 | caden | Niks if you're looking for plan9 members, maybe try their contact information? You will probably have more luck. |
| 06:25.55 | Niks | roger that |
| 06:25.57 | caden | summatusmentis: "get sick" |
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| 06:26.06 | summatusmentis | well, you know |
| 06:26.06 | caden | heh heh |
| 06:26.10 | summatusmentis | it happens |
| 06:26.23 | caden | i got sick a lot this year and i always feel guilty like they're not going to believe me |
| 06:26.47 | summatusmentis | I don't feel like professors care that much, ultimately |
| 06:26.51 | Niks | @caden actually irc is fastest way to get your query resolved |
| 06:27.13 | caden | i had a cold and snorted that Zicam stuff and took a bunch of vitamins and it wnet away in like 4 days and my professor was like "sick, huh?" when i came back so fast |
| 06:27.31 | caden | Niks: does plan9 have an irc channel? |
| 06:27.45 | Niks | :/ |
| 06:28.28 | Niks | yup |
| 06:28.38 | Niks | trying der |
| 06:28.53 | caden | i see on google "many of us are also on IRC: #plan9-gsoc and #plan9 on irc.freenode.net" |
| 06:29.11 | caden | you may have to give them a little time... not sure where they are but most people are in the states now |
| 06:29.17 | caden | i mean are now in bed |
| 06:29.31 | caden | like i should be! |
| 06:29.35 | summatusmentis | ugh, me too |
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| 06:29.59 | summatusmentis | goes to find food, tea, and spanish book |
| 06:30.20 | Niks | sure |
| 06:30.25 | asdlkf | is looking for projects which require more networking knowledge than other areas |
| 06:30.33 | rwcr | asdlkf: Etherboot? |
| 06:30.58 | asdlkf | wanders off towards etherboot... |
| 06:31.02 | icez | nmap? |
| 06:31.56 | derkaiser | can anyone here give some suggestions on my proposal? http://sites.google.com/site/derkaisersfunnygsoclife/Home/gsoc-proposal-for-maemo |
| 06:32.10 | rwcr | Nmap might be better from a pure networking POV, since most of Etherboot's ideas are of the driver- or netbooting-infrastructure variety. |
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| 06:33.02 | asdlkf | um, if a mentor can help me get started with driver writing, i'd love to do that, but I've never gone in that direction. |
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| 06:33.41 | caden | someone from X.org was in here yesterday, i bet they have driver writing |
| 06:33.50 | caden | ok now i'm really going to bed |
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| 06:47.25 | pi31415926535 | !timeline |
| 06:47.25 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 06:51.46 | devvrat | !next |
| 06:51.46 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 06:53.44 | llnz | just 130000 seconds to go students before the deadline |
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| 06:59.15 | thebolt | hi |
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| 07:00.11 | ecin | hello |
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| 07:03.50 | MaNI | am I the only one the melange is constantly really really slow for? |
| 07:04.32 | kblin | there's lots of round-trips to the server to load the JS stuff and all |
| 07:04.33 | Wolf_OSGeo | it is quite slow to me too |
| 07:04.43 | thebolt | ji kblin |
| 07:04.52 | thebolt | bah, hi kblin |
| 07:05.02 | Wolf_OSGeo | het thebolt :) |
| 07:05.12 | Wolf_OSGeo | argh... hey thebolt :) |
| 07:05.24 | evanB | hey, are any students still planning on applying for gsoc out there |
| 07:05.38 | thebolt | :P hi Wolf_OSGeo , what's up? |
| 07:05.54 | MaNI | evanB, i'm finalizing my proposals now and submitting them |
| 07:06.40 | evanB | MaNI, I just tried registering and it wouldn't let me. Did you register awhile ago or something? |
| 07:06.53 | MaNI | evanB, a week ago I think |
| 07:06.55 | Wolf_OSGeo | thebolt: nothing much, waiting to get my laptopfixed |
| 07:07.29 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: heh, okay :) |
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| 07:10.54 | z3r0 | hello everyone |
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| 07:11.47 | z3r0 | !next |
| 07:11.48 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 07:13.32 | [[ICE]] | hello |
| 07:13.48 | [[ICE]] | can someone help me ? :) |
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| 07:14.25 | ecin | [[ICE]]: feel free to ask whatever's on your mind. |
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| 07:15.23 | PearlJam | the best policy is to ask straight away and see if anyone can answer. |
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| 07:16.36 | [[ICE]] | i don't know an open project and how can i help one. I am a student in first year of study at Computer Science and I know a little object orientated prgramming, little xhtml+css, linux commands |
| 07:16.49 | [[ICE]] | BUT i want to join google summer of code :) |
| 07:17.29 | PearlJam | [[ICE]]: it is not expected from you to know how an open source project works. it is a learning experience. |
| 07:17.47 | PearlJam | you should choose the org you want to work with (based on your skill set) |
| 07:18.03 | [[ICE]] | can you suggest me an open project and how to contact them ? |
| 07:18.24 | skbohra | !orgsbylang |
| 07:18.24 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 07:18.35 | PearlJam | well that depends on what your interest is. and i have one serious advice, join only if you want, don't join just for the heck of it. |
| 07:19.01 | [[ICE]] | this is what i mean... can i help an organization with all that ai know ? |
| 07:19.27 | PearlJam | [[ICE]]: that depends on what you know. you need to prove to the org you are the best man for the project. |
| 07:19.29 | [[ICE]] | i just don't want to join and then to find out that i must make something very complicated |
| 07:19.39 | [[ICE]] | I understand.. |
| 07:20.05 | [[ICE]] | I know a little of C++ OOP |
| 07:20.14 | [[ICE]] | what organization should i contact ? |
| 07:20.20 | PearlJam | !orgsbylang |
| 07:20.21 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 07:20.23 | [[ICE]] | beacause i don't know any |
| 07:20.30 | PearlJam | see the list. |
| 07:20.42 | [[ICE]] | what list ? |
| 07:20.43 | skbohra | click on the link ;) |
| 07:20.51 | PearlJam | http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages << click :) |
| 07:20.59 | [[ICE]] | =)) |
| 07:21.03 | [[ICE]] | ok sorry ... ! |
| 07:21.10 | skbohra | just click don't hesitate :) |
| 07:21.28 | [[ICE]] | i am too focused on what answers i get rather thant folowing links |
| 07:21.29 | [[ICE]] | =)) |
| 07:21.34 | [[ICE]] | than* |
| 07:22.04 | PearlJam | you got to do some research on your part also. |
| 07:22.17 | ecin | Do we have a countdown bot, or countdown webpage somewhere? |
| 07:22.26 | PearlJam | !next |
| 07:22.26 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 07:22.30 | PearlJam | countdown: |
| 07:22.41 | ecin | Perfect. Thanks. :) |
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| 07:34.50 | vinc456 | !log |
| 07:34.50 | socinfo | Error: access denied (owner). |
| 07:34.52 | vinc456 | !logs |
| 07:34.52 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 07:36.10 | Landon | prays that this library works on the first go |
| 07:36.27 | summatusmentis | 'night all |
| 07:36.34 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: wait |
| 07:36.47 | summatusmentis | but... but... 2:30 am :( |
| 07:36.55 | summatusmentis | what's up ajuonline |
| 07:36.56 | ajuonline | i just wanted to tell you..... |
| 07:36.56 | [[ICE]] | whom do i send the letter ? |
| 07:37.07 | PearlJam | [[ICE]]: what letter> |
| 07:37.12 | ajuonline | ... that you should not be staying up so late! |
| 07:37.15 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: now go sleep : |
| 07:37.17 | ajuonline | :P |
| 07:37.31 | kblin | !faq |
| 07:37.32 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 07:37.38 | kblin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=ICE: ^^^ |
| 07:37.40 | kblin | er |
| 07:37.41 | [[ICE]] | email :))) |
| 07:37.50 | kblin | pokes his irc client |
| 07:37.50 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: remind me to kick you if we ever meet in person |
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| 07:37.58 | ajuonline | hahahaha |
| 07:38.11 | summatusmentis | 'night |
| 07:38.12 | ajuonline | done with the app? |
| 07:38.17 | ajuonline | night :D |
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| 07:38.28 | [[ICE]] | whom do i send the email ? :) |
| 07:38.38 | macduyhai | !faq |
| 07:38.38 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 07:38.39 | [[ICE]] | first i send a mail to organization that i choose ? |
| 07:38.44 | macduyhai | !faq |
| 07:38.44 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 07:38.47 | kblin | [[ICE]]: ^^^ |
| 07:38.48 | [[ICE]] | ok ok :) |
| 07:38.50 | [[ICE]] | ms ms |
| 07:38.53 | kblin | read that thing already :) |
| 07:38.54 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: I've been done for a week almost |
| 07:39.02 | summatusmentis | bed for real |
| 07:39.03 | PearlJam | [[ICE]]: you should *really* read the FAQ |
| 07:39.07 | ajuonline | ah, ok :) |
| 07:39.26 | PearlJam | u will spend more time asking questions here than you would reading the FAQ. |
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| 07:40.16 | ajuonline | pokes ankitg |
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| 07:41.00 | ankitg|school | ajuonline: in class man ... later |
| 07:42.04 | [[ICE]] | you're right PearlJam but i am a littler out of this job with gsoc :) |
| 07:42.23 | [[ICE]] | and i found out that tomorrow is the final date to send that email to orgs |
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| 07:43.13 | PearlJam | you can still try if you have some earth shattering idea. ;) |
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| 07:43.55 | PearlJam | like i said, give it your best shot, don't do it just cause you have to do it. |
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| 07:45.10 | kblin | [[ICE]]: you also need to sign up on the socghop website, not send an email. |
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| 07:45.51 | PearlJam | [[ICE]]: http://socghop.appspot.com/ |
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| 07:48.00 | [[ICE]] | 10x |
| 07:48.01 | [[ICE]] | :) |
| 07:48.53 | thebolt | kblin: gave you a counter-remark earlier.. but maybe melange already told you? (it didn't tell me i had a comment) |
| 07:49.39 | ojwb | you need to subscribe to comments |
| 07:49.42 | ojwb | at least as a mentor |
| 07:49.49 | ojwb | individually on every |
| 07:49.52 | ojwb | blergh |
| 07:49.58 | ojwb | every proposal it seems |
| 07:51.58 | [[ICE]] | aaa... i have a google account but where i subscribe to http://socghop.appspot.com/ ? |
| 07:52.16 | [[ICE]] | i sign in.. |
| 07:52.25 | [[ICE]] | and what now ? :)) |
| 07:53.26 | kblin | read the faq |
| 07:53.29 | kblin | it's all in there |
| 07:53.52 | PearlJam | [[ICE]]: you really need to read the FAQ. no one will help you here if you don't . |
| 07:54.04 | [[ICE]] | k |
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| 07:54.48 | PearlJam | if something is not clear AFTER you read it, then you are free to ask. |
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| 07:57.53 | locutus4 | Is it possible to edit your proposal after submition ? |
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| 07:58.04 | derkaiser | yes, it's ok~ |
| 07:58.23 | PearlJam | locutus4: not this time around. derkaiser, you sure? |
| 07:59.01 | derkaiser | I have submitted my proposal, and I can still edit it |
| 07:59.16 | disismt | After april 3 can we still edit? |
| 07:59.19 | PearlJam | aah sorry, after submission yes. |
| 07:59.25 | PearlJam | not after april 3rd. |
| 07:59.38 | derkaiser | : |
| 07:59.39 | disismt | Not even if Mentor allows us to? |
| 08:00.02 | derkaiser | you can use comment to reply~I guess |
| 08:00.13 | PearlJam | derkaiser: not this time around. |
| 08:00.18 | derkaiser | yes |
| 08:00.21 | PearlJam | there was some discussion in the channel regarding this. |
| 08:00.57 | arma | oh? we (eff/tor) have been figuring that people can submit a proposal draft by apr 3 and then refine it based on comments and discussion. |
| 08:01.04 | arma | we may be surprised, it looks like. :) |
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| 08:01.45 | PearlJam | arma, AFAIK, not possible this time. you should search the gsoc group just to be sure. |
| 08:01.46 | kblin | arma: lh said not on the new webapp |
| 08:01.57 | arma | poo |
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| 08:02.46 | arma | well, not a huge worry. other websites exist on the internet, that can be used to show newer text. |
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| 08:05.53 | kblin | hehe |
| 08:06.03 | anothy_x | huh. anyone know when *mentors* have to be signed up in the system by? |
| 08:06.25 | kblin | !timeline |
| 08:06.26 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 08:06.39 | kblin | anothy_x: ^^^ |
| 08:06.49 | kblin | pretty much when the org expects to get assigned slots |
| 08:07.04 | kblin | because you won't get slots for students who don't have mentors |
| 08:07.28 | anothy_x | ah, thanks. i'd read it too many times looking for student timelines, i think it pushed all the other info out of my head. |
| 08:07.48 | anothy_x | understood, just making sure there wasn't some deadline before then. |
| 08:07.59 | kblin | anothy_x: actually, it explicitly says "April 15: * All mentors must be signed up" |
| 08:08.15 | anothy_x | yup. re-reading it made it clear. |
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| 08:08.46 | kblin | :) |
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| 08:09.09 | anothy_x | clearly, i'm supposed to be in bed already. off there. |
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| 08:10.45 | alexmaru | hi, is it a possiblity that the application period could be extended (like last year)? |
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| 08:10.58 | kblin | !extension |
| 08:10.58 | socinfo | "extension" is There is no deadline extension planned at this time. You should not assume that there will be one. |
| 08:11.16 | kblin | just get moving |
| 08:11.21 | alexmaru | okay |
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| 08:44.21 | vinc456 | !next |
| 08:44.21 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 08:45.09 | skbohra | when click on subscribe for updates on socghop.appspot.com what happens? |
| 08:45.28 | skbohra | er..clicking* |
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| 08:50.15 | kblin | skbohra: you get an email when there's a comment on the proposal? |
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| 08:51.10 | skbohra | kblin: is it so? ok |
| 08:51.35 | skbohra | as it doesnt give any message after clicking on that button |
| 08:51.54 | kblin | the button text should change |
| 08:52.08 | skbohra | yeah it changes to unsubscribe |
| 08:52.29 | skbohra | but what to subscribe for? i thought its rss feed |
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| 08:54.21 | disismt | Hi can a mentor be mentoring two students ? |
| 08:55.06 | Nightrose | disismt: yes but it is not really recommended |
| 08:55.28 | kblin | actually depends on the time you havd |
| 08:55.34 | kblin | s/havd/have/ |
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| 08:58.08 | aghisla | !timeline |
| 08:58.08 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 08:58.12 | aghisla | !next |
| 08:58.12 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 08:59.41 | gsoc | is back |
| 09:00.49 | ajuonline | yeah right. |
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| 09:03.31 | scorche | looks at gsoc |
| 09:03.49 | gsoc | hmm |
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| 09:04.27 | scorche | you probably are going to want to change your nice unless you want to be highlighted many many many times a day whenever people say GSoC |
| 09:04.36 | scorche | s/nice/nick |
| 09:04.51 | aghisla | gsoc! |
| 09:05.09 | aghisla | (scorche: last slash!) |
| 09:05.22 | scorche | aghisla: too troublesome |
| 09:05.25 | ajuonline | ".Will you need to finish your project prior to the end of the GSOC?" |
| 09:05.30 | ajuonline | what does this exactly mean? |
| 09:05.39 | scorche | i never close my sed arguments on IRC! =P |
| 09:05.44 | gsoc | don't highlight me like that |
| 09:05.44 | aghisla | haha |
| 09:05.49 | ajuonline | if one finishes prior to deadlines, it should be good. right? |
| 09:06.11 | scorche | gsoc: with that nick, you dont have any room to say that... |
| 09:06.20 | gsoc | agreed |
| 09:06.28 | scorche | ajuonline: well, yeah, but i would ask the mentors what they might have meant just to be sure ;) |
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| 09:07.11 | schumaml | someone from google should register the nick gsoc |
| 09:07.18 | voldemort | how about this one...everybody fears his name :P |
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| 09:07.40 | scorche | schumaml: meh....not really.. |
| 09:07.56 | Ivanovic | ajuonline: uhm, i think it should be rather clear that you should finish the job before the "contract" runs out |
| 09:08.19 | Ivanovic | because in theory you do have a contract with google/the org to deliver what you promised in your proposal |
| 09:08.31 | ajuonline | yeah |
| 09:08.32 | Ivanovic | if you do so in the given time, you get the money, if you fail, you don't |
| 09:08.52 | ajuonline | that is well known |
| 09:09.03 | disismt | Hi , the checks, and the tshirts, they go to the shipping address. right? |
| 09:09.05 | ajuonline | but, the question asks something different |
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| 09:09.16 | ajuonline | do I *need* to finish it proor to gsoc deadline? |
| 09:09.19 | disismt | or, the contact address? |
| 09:09.19 | ajuonline | prior* |
| 09:09.27 | MaNI | does pasting formatted text into proposal box crash browser for anyone else? |
| 09:09.32 | aghisla | disismt: shipping address :) |
| 09:09.38 | disismt | \ok |
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| 09:10.02 | Ivanovic | !timeline |
| 09:10.02 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 09:10.22 | voldemort | !harry |
| 09:10.22 | socinfo | Error: "harry" is not a valid command. |
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| 09:10.35 | Ivanovic | ajuonline: the deadline you have to meed it august 17th |
| 09:10.44 | absabs | !help |
| 09:10.45 | socinfo | "help" is see !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 09:10.45 | Ivanovic | this is when your project *has* to be done |
| 09:11.03 | voldemort | the bot will not reveal anything about him :P |
| 09:11.17 | disismt | If I don't get any job this year, I will flunk my final year, and try for GSoC again next year :D |
| 09:11.18 | MaNI | also is there a way to get the proposal display to automatically wrap the lines, instead of making the browser really wide? |
| 09:11.22 | absabs | hello voldemort |
| 09:11.25 | absabs | hahaha |
| 09:11.28 | z3r0 | disismt: I guess contact info is alright. It takes your contact info as shipping info if you leave the shipping info blank and it says shipping info is optional |
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| 09:11.42 | voldemort | hi absabs |
| 09:11.47 | liquidmetal | umm.. how do i get to know if my proposal is currently being reviewed, or if it has been accepted/rejected?? |
| 09:12.05 | skbohra | wait until 20th |
| 09:12.13 | disismt | z3r0, problem is, I wnat contact adress to be my hostel, BUT I want my checks to go to my parents house (safe from my 'friends') :D |
| 09:12.19 | aghisla | liquidmetal: subscribe for updates to be informed on revisions |
| 09:12.21 | disismt | s/wnat/want/ |
| 09:12.28 | aghisla | there is a button on top of the page |
| 09:12.35 | z3r0 | liquidmetal: then put hostel info as contact and parents info as shipping, will get it done |
| 09:12.41 | disismt | ok |
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| 09:12.48 | scorche | liquidmetal: talk to the mentoring org and ask them if there is anything they might like to see changed on your app...however if you have submitted it, i am sure it is being reviewed |
| 09:13.49 | z3r0 | also, it might make it hard for mentoring orgs to track every single application at this point, towards the end, but rest assured, it will be received and reviewed |
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| 09:15.27 | scorche | liquidmetal: no need to PM...anything you would ask me in private would likely go better here |
| 09:16.19 | mots4u | any body can give me IRC channel for ASCEND |
| 09:16.24 | liquidmetal | scorche: ok.. i tried posting on their mailing lists.. didn't really work... |
| 09:16.30 | mots4u | ?? |
| 09:16.34 | liquidmetal | aghisla: how do i subscribe for the updates?? |
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| 09:16.58 | scorche | liquidmetal: and the mailing lists are the only form of communication they have?...no IRC?...no forums? |
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| 09:17.20 | scorche | mots4u: a google search should be able to take care of that if they have one... |
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| 09:17.31 | aghisla | liquidmetal: as you list your student proposals |
| 09:17.32 | liquidmetal | scorche: irc yes... dead |
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| 09:18.18 | aghisla | when you open a proposal, on top of the page there is a button "subscribe on updates" that emails you when a mentor posts a comment |
| 09:18.35 | nielsgl | !countdown |
| 09:18.36 | socinfo | Error: "countdown" is not a valid command. |
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| 09:18.58 | nielsgl | what was the page with the countdown app for proposal submit |
| 09:19.12 | aghisla | !next |
| 09:19.12 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 09:19.48 | nielsgl | thanks :) |
| 09:20.40 | z3r0 | disismt: I just realised, maybe if you put shipping info as your parents place, you might not get the t-shirt for bragging rights immediately :D |
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| 09:21.16 | disismt | z3r0, I don't need a t-shirt to brag :P |
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| 09:22.00 | disismt | Anyway, my parents can brag all they want, about their prodgious son :D |
| 09:22.17 | z3r0 | disismt: true that |
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| 09:22.33 | nielsgl | I assume only the accepted people get a tshirt? |
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| 09:22.47 | z3r0 | neilsgl: yes |
| 09:23.07 | schumaml | and all mentors. iirc |
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| 09:32.31 | aghisla | given 2009 soc logo, we could receive a nice 60's t-shirt |
| 09:33.18 | voldemort | :) |
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| 09:34.31 | casinaroyale | aghisla: we could go to Hawaii with the T-shirt :P |
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| 09:38.54 | aghisla | casinaroyale: yeees |
| 09:38.58 | spectie | mornin' all |
| 09:39.03 | spectie | sorry about my connection problems |
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| 09:41.21 | ankitg|school | nielsgl: only the students who successfully complete their projects receive the shirts ... |
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| 09:43.54 | tilmann | !next |
| 09:43.55 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 09:44.07 | nielsgl | ankitg: okay |
| 09:44.20 | nielsgl | well i guess the biggest problem is getting accepted |
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| 09:44.46 | djc | !timeline |
| 09:44.47 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 09:57.38 | hkpco | hello. :-) |
| 09:57.48 | icez | hi |
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| 10:03.03 | voldemort | !next |
| 10:03.04 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 10:04.55 | Garfeild | hi all |
| 10:04.58 | Garfeild | i have question |
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| 10:06.21 | Garfeild | i wrote proposal, but now i think that this proposal not actual. is it better to write new or rewrite current? |
| 10:06.41 | icez | modify the current one while you still can :P |
| 10:06.57 | voldemort | Garfeild: and inform the mentors |
| 10:07.00 | devilsadvocate | how much time left? |
| 10:07.04 | devilsadvocate | 24 hours? |
| 10:07.09 | icez | less |
| 10:07.26 | skbohr1 | 33hrs |
| 10:07.42 | devilsadvocate | 33 hours |
| 10:07.49 | devilsadvocate | enough. good. |
| 10:08.06 | voldemort | devilsadvocate: applying? |
| 10:08.19 | devilsadvocate | voldemort, yeah |
| 10:08.39 | voldemort | great |
| 10:08.43 | devilsadvocate | just send in one application |
| 10:08.47 | devilsadvocate | need to write one more |
| 10:08.56 | skbohr1 | great! |
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| 10:08.58 | voldemort | for which org? |
| 10:09.04 | devilsadvocate | moin |
| 10:09.21 | voldemort | nice :) |
| 10:09.26 | Garfeild | heh) |
| 10:09.27 | aghisla | good! |
| 10:09.41 | devilsadvocate | hm |
| 10:10.25 | Garfeild | how many peoople is applying to maemo? ) |
| 10:11.19 | liquidmetal | O.o |
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| 10:12.28 | Erant | Garfeild: Are you russian? |
| 10:12.39 | Garfeild | yes |
| 10:12.59 | Erant | Funny how I can tell that from the type of smilies you use. :P |
| 10:13.04 | nielsgl | devilsadvocate: how many proposals did you write? |
| 10:13.40 | Garfeild | Erant: hah) i'm using other types of smyles to (^_^) |
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| 10:14.18 | devilsadvocate | nielsgl, one so far, half of another is sort of in the works |
| 10:14.26 | nielsgl | oh okay |
| 10:14.37 | Erant | Garfield: Only seen russians do the ) smily. |
| 10:14.46 | nielsgl | it sounded like you wrote a lot already |
| 10:15.06 | Garfeild | Erant: heh, i'm lazy some time |
| 10:15.27 | devilsadvocate | nielsgl, no. had a pretty packed last few weeks |
| 10:15.39 | rapha_ | are any of the rhino or mozilla mentors here? |
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| 10:21.29 | macduyhai | Hello, I checked the faq and I would like to know why I am ineligible |
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| 10:21.46 | calebr_ | !orgbylang |
| 10:21.46 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
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| 10:24.21 | schumaml | macduyhai: I guess that the faq didn't answer this |
| 10:24.25 | schumaml | ? |
| 10:24.56 | macduyhai | schumaml: it's alright, it was marked as such by the mentors |
| 10:25.09 | schumaml | then ask them? |
| 10:26.31 | macduyhai | yep, asked. they just don't like that proposal :D |
| 10:26.48 | nielsgl | fail |
| 10:26.57 | nielsgl | write another one then? |
| 10:27.11 | pi31415926535 | It is 1 day, 8 hours, 33 minutes until Friday, April 3, 2009 at 7:00:00 (deadline of proposals) |
| 10:29.22 | macduyhai | nielsgl: guess so. But got another one and they seem to like it so is ok |
| 10:29.56 | schumaml | omg, the student application landslide has started at our org |
| 10:30.06 | ajuonline | ho ho ho! |
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| 10:33.01 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 10:47.16 | z3r0 | lol, when I first started reading HN, i thought all of you guys were like that, and I was 19 then :| |
| 10:47.32 | z3r0 | oops, wrong window |
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| 11:04.12 | BCarlyon|Server | I can't find the edit proposal button, where is it hiding? |
| 11:04.30 | BCarlyon|Server | Never mind found it |
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| 11:12.17 | Alexandru | hello |
| 11:12.49 | z3r0 | hello Alexandru |
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| 11:13.23 | Alexandru | can someone tell me why I am experiencing over and over again the 500 Server Error while submitting the "Become a Student" form? |
| 11:14.18 | WinterMute | !next |
| 11:14.18 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 11:15.14 | Nightrose | hmmm any good ideas where a student could upload a tarball of code he wrote a while ago to link to it from his proposal? |
| 11:15.17 | ojwb | Alexandru: you could ask in #melange - that's where the developers of the gsoc application hang out |
| 11:15.21 | Nightrose | he doesn't have any webspace himself |
| 11:15.26 | ojwb | google code? |
| 11:15.35 | ojwb | it's really easy to sign up for if the licence is suitable |
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| 11:15.58 | ojwb | or if he's willing and able to license it suitably |
| 11:16.02 | Alexandru | thank you |
| 11:16.14 | Nightrose | ojwb: i'll have to find out - thx |
| 11:16.20 | ojwb | isn't seeing 500 errors for it, but I'm not trying to sign up |
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| 11:16.30 | ojwb | I mean "from it" |
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| 11:20.20 | ojwb | Nightrose: otherwise there are free webspace sites, but I'm not up on what they are these days |
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| 11:20.44 | Nightrose | ojwb: hehe - exactly my problem |
| 11:20.53 | Nightrose | but it seems he can put it on code.google.com |
| 11:20.58 | Nightrose | so it should be fine |
| 11:21.06 | z3r0 | ojwb: github or google code |
| 11:21.41 | ojwb | z3r0: wasn't me who wanted to know really |
| 11:22.03 | z3r0 | oops... sorry |
| 11:22.27 | z3r0 | Nightrose: try anything that's free and fast. Worst case: email it to post@posterous, and it'll make a blogpost out of it |
| 11:22.47 | Nightrose | ;-) thanks for the offer |
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| 11:24.09 | disismt | hmm posterous, does it keep the files permanently or is there a time period? |
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| 11:24.36 | z3r0 | disismt: permanently, and you dont need to sign up, just email |
| 11:24.49 | disismt | z3r0, attachment limit? |
| 11:25.05 | ojwb | instant blog spam! |
| 11:25.29 | z3r0 | disismt: depending on your email provider |
| 11:25.50 | disismt | z3r0, Lets say I have my own email server. |
| 11:26.00 | disismt | z3r0, no limits :D |
| 11:26.22 | z3r0 | disusmt: I guess then they have no limits as well... |
| 11:26.29 | disismt | z3r0, I think there is a catch somewhere with this free-fro-all policy of prospetoerous |
| 11:26.47 | disismt | *what the heck |
| 11:27.31 | z3r0 | disismt: sorry about that, but i think they're geniune... |
| 11:28.20 | disismt | Hi all, I have a question. My organization (one I am applying to) has till now about 35 proposals. They have asked for 7 slots. Will they get all the 7? |
| 11:28.45 | disismt | Any guesses from last year's stats? |
| 11:29.28 | Chainsaw | disismt: No way to tell. |
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| 11:30.55 | MaNI | which org is it? |
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| 11:31.28 | ojwb | wow, that's oversubscribed! |
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| 11:32.18 | disismt | ojwb, oversubscribed? I know of orgs that received 10 slots only for a total of 70 proposals last year |
| 11:32.20 | z3r0 | ojwb: is it? I thought it was undersubscribed. But I guess there's no way to know. |
| 11:32.44 | spectie | disismt, we have a total of 14 mentors |
| 11:32.47 | spectie | so we might increase it |
| 11:32.47 | z3r0 | ok, i guess there is a way to know, i just dont know it |
| 11:32.50 | ojwb | well, there are a lot of factors |
| 11:32.58 | spectie | disismt, but we're going to wait until we know how many applications we get |
| 11:33.07 | spectie | and if they fit with the mentors we have |
| 11:33.07 | ojwb | and there's a page which describes the process |
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| 11:33.29 | spectie | <spectie> disismt, but we're going to wait until we know how many applications we get |
| 11:33.31 | spectie | <spectie> and if they fit with the mentors we have |
| 11:33.39 | ojwb | ? |
| 11:33.48 | spectie | we want to be careful not to "bite off more than we can chew" |
| 11:33.54 | z3r0 | spectie: isn't the number of students/organisation fixed? so that the total number of students taking part in GSoC is fixed? |
| 11:33.56 | disismt | spectie, great :) |
| 11:34.11 | ojwb | z3r0: it's "approximately 1000" |
| 11:34.16 | spectie | z3r0, it is decided after the student application deadline |
| 11:34.27 | spectie | z3r0, students slots are distributed to organisations |
| 11:34.31 | spectie | according to various criteria |
| 11:34.40 | ojwb | I think there's the possibility for the OSPO people to beg for a bit more funding for a few extra slots, or something |
| 11:34.43 | z3r0 | oh ok |
| 11:34.58 | ojwb | I don't really know, but the total seemed to drift up a little last year |
| 11:35.42 | ojwb | perhaps that'll happen less with the current state of the world |
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| 11:35.50 | z3r0 | ojwb: do they give priority to previous GSoCers or new students ? |
| 11:35.59 | ojwb | that's down to the orgs |
| 11:36.05 | disismt | depends on the orgs |
| 11:36.14 | z3r0 | interesting.. |
| 11:36.17 | ahuillet | z3r0 : google does not chose students, the organizations do |
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| 11:36.28 | ojwb | someone who has taken part before is perhaps more likely to be successful |
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| 11:36.36 | ojwb | but it doesn't help get more people involved so much |
| 11:37.07 | ojwb | so there's a lot of factors to consider, and I suspect most orgs will try to have a mixture too |
| 11:37.12 | z3r0 | ojwb: oh, I thought GSoC was primarily for getting new people involved to open source software.. |
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| 11:37.33 | spectie | z3r0, it has several objectives |
| 11:37.41 | ojwb | there are various aims, that's certainly one major one |
| 11:38.08 | ojwb | different orgs probably prioritise the aims differently too |
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| 11:39.09 | ojwb | last year we didn't have any previous participants |
| 11:39.34 | voldemort | ojwb: which org?? |
| 11:39.39 | ojwb | swig |
| 11:39.47 | voldemort | k |
| 11:39.48 | ojwb | but I don't think any applied |
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| 11:42.25 | straszheim | !timeline |
| 11:42.25 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 11:44.31 | schumaml | hates the delay for student application list display update after adding comments |
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| 11:45.15 | voldemort | tells schumaml to be patient |
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| 11:46.50 | schumaml | would be a lot easier if the application view itself did show the changes immediately |
| 11:47.53 | voldemort | that can be a enhancement in melange |
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| 11:49.20 | schumaml | we're now talking about minutes worth of a delay, btw |
| 11:49.36 | schumaml | -worth |
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| 11:50.38 | Alexandru | it would be great if people could submit the "Become a Student" form without getting 500 Server error |
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| 11:51.44 | Alexandru | for the last 30 minutes I've been click-ing Back and Submit buttons and still nothing |
| 11:51.58 | Alexandru | nobody on #melange responded |
| 11:52.00 | literal | Alexandru: hm, which "Become a student" form are you referring to? |
| 11:52.08 | vedlith | worked for me 20 minutes ago |
| 11:52.10 | literal | I don't think I filled out a form called that |
| 11:52.23 | literal | and I've already submitted an application |
| 11:52.24 | Alexandru | http://socghop.appspot.com/student/apply/google/gsoc2009 |
| 11:52.37 | schumaml | Alexandru: back&sumbit cycles won't help if this is caused by some of the data you've entered |
| 11:52.49 | Alexandru | it's not about that |
| 11:52.51 | literal | Alexandru: do you have a google account? |
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| 11:52.57 | Alexandru | yes |
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| 11:52.59 | Alexandru | I'm logged in |
| 11:53.00 | Alexandru | :) |
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| 11:53.24 | Alexandru | I tryed putting a bad birthdate |
| 11:53.33 | Alexandru | and it nottified me |
| 11:53.39 | Alexandru | but when all the required data |
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| 11:53.41 | Alexandru | si correct |
| 11:53.48 | Alexandru | I get that 500 Server Error |
| 11:54.10 | Alexandru | *is correct |
| 11:54.31 | rake_ | hi |
| 11:54.57 | Alexandru | I also tryed using proxy |
| 11:55.03 | Alexandru | but got the same result |
| 11:55.08 | ojwb | Alexandru: hmm, the melange people are in europe, so should be awake at least |
| 11:55.28 | ojwb | what's the browser? |
| 11:55.36 | Alexandru | tryed with firefox and IE |
| 11:55.40 | Alexandru | same thing |
| 11:55.42 | ojwb | hmm |
| 11:55.44 | PearlJam | u can try again later. chances are it might be a temporary problem. |
| 11:55.54 | ojwb | it's not ideal though |
| 11:56.07 | ojwb | but yes, that's all I can suggest |
| 11:56.37 | vedlith | Question: Is there some normal, formal way to invalidate an application, or resign from accepted one before the 15th of April? I dont know yet whether I'll be accepted on google's intern, I shuold know before 15th of April and if i will be, i will have to invalidate my applications somehow |
| 11:56.45 | ojwb | hopes it doesn't crash and burn as the deadline approaches |
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| 11:57.18 | Alexandru | hmm |
| 11:57.18 | ojwb | vedlith: I guess you can tell the org you're withdrawing it if nothing else |
| 11:57.32 | Alexandru | but if nobody is working on the problem,would it be solved? |
| 11:57.52 | ojwb | if you've reported in on #melange, someone will see it |
| 11:58.05 | vedlith | ojwb: I hope it is not a big problem for them since they have to deal with dupplicate accepted students anyway? |
| 11:58.28 | ojwb | I'd imagine if there are problems that prevent people submitting this long before the deadline, that allowances will be made, but I don't really know |
| 11:59.37 | Alexandru | so I should get back to back&submit cycles |
| 11:59.38 | Alexandru | :)) |
| 11:59.47 | ojwb | vedlith: do they know about this possibility? |
| 11:59.54 | Alexandru | ok |
| 11:59.59 | Alexandru | thanks for the support |
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| 12:00.06 | vedlith | ojwb: 'they' are not defined yet ^^ |
| 12:00.18 | vedlith | ojwb: but I wont forget to mention that ;) |
| 12:00.30 | ojwb | vedlith: the orgs you've submitted to - oh, or have you not yet? |
| 12:01.00 | ahuillet | vedlith : if you haven't already started discussing your proposals for potential orgs, you should hurry a bit |
| 12:01.38 | ojwb | can't speak for other orgs, but personally I'd not hold it against someone, and would rather know |
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| 12:02.01 | ahuillet | s/for/with/ in my last sentence |
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| 12:03.03 | disismt | to be |
| 12:03.08 | schumaml | ojwb: I'd guess that with most orgs, it's just the problem that many other applications already got some votes :) |
| 12:03.16 | disismt | s/to/asd/ s/be/sdf/ |
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| 12:03.27 | disismt | to be |
| 12:03.31 | disismt | s/to/mn/ |
| 12:03.36 | disismt | to be |
| 12:03.45 | disismt | s/{to,be}/aa |
| 12:04.00 | disismt | s/{to,be}/aa/ |
| 12:04.02 | schumaml | ah, this wasn't primarily about contacting, but duplicates |
| 12:04.04 | ojwb | schumaml: some orgs delay ranking until the deadline for that reason |
| 12:04.09 | schumaml | disregard my comment then |
| 12:05.02 | ojwb | disismt: that's not BRE syntax though... |
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| 12:05.18 | ojwb | but I think ibot doesn't do regexp s/// |
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| 12:13.35 | socinfo | "extension" is There is no deadline extension planned at this time. You should not assume that there will be one. |
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| 12:32.03 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 13:05.06 | ajuonline | no wonder |
| 13:05.21 | ajuonline | *the* voldemort is here |
| 13:06.01 | voldemort | ajuonline: tell me , where is harry :P |
| 13:06.48 | ajuonline | <------ |
| 13:06.54 | ajuonline | runs |
| 13:07.14 | voldemort | lolz |
| 13:07.25 | voldemort | !harry |
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| 13:09.34 | Potter | :D |
| 13:09.44 | DannyB | great guys |
| 13:10.02 | voldemort | :D |
| 13:10.04 | dho_plan9 | Yet another GSoC off-Broadway production. |
| 13:10.08 | Potter | oO? |
| 13:10.12 | Potter | lol |
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| 13:51.36 | casinaroyale | !timeline |
| 13:51.36 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 13:51.43 | casinaroyale | !next |
| 13:51.44 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 13:54.01 | andre|away | !extension |
| 13:54.02 | socinfo | "extension" is There is no deadline extension planned at this time. You should not assume that there will be one. |
| 13:54.03 | andre|away | ? :D |
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| 13:55.37 | ojwb | no, really! |
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| 13:58.59 | xiaohui | how many projects of an org can be accept by GSoC? or as many as possible |
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| 13:59.30 | Ivanovic | xiaohui: the amount that google is ready to pay for and the project is able to handle |
| 14:00.03 | ojwb | there are ~1000 slots split between 150 orgs |
| 14:00.10 | ojwb | but the number each can vary a lot |
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| 14:01.27 | Ivanovic | !next |
| 14:01.28 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 14:02.08 | xiaohui | oh, it means that it depends on goole |
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| 14:02.23 | Ivanovic | on google and the org |
| 14:02.34 | Ivanovic | a small org is simply not able to handle *many* proposals |
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| 14:03.30 | araujo | morning |
| 14:03.46 | Ivanovic | overall you can expect that only 10 to maybe up to 15% of the proposals really get a slot |
| 14:03.54 | xiaohui | oh, I see , thank you |
| 14:04.41 | ojwb | I don't think we'll have 10000 proposals this year |
| 14:05.14 | liquidmetal | can you get accepted for multiple projects? |
| 14:05.19 | ojwb | no |
| 14:05.31 | xiaohui | I just sumbit only one proposal |
| 14:05.40 | ojwb | then definitely no! |
| 14:05.49 | liquidmetal | ok... so is there some preference order that i canfill up or something? |
| 14:05.58 | j-b | hello |
| 14:06.04 | tilmann | well you can be selected by multiple organizations, but you can only do one project |
| 14:06.18 | ojwb | you can tell the orgs concerned, but it's ultimately assumed that if you applied for a project, you're happy to do it |
| 14:06.39 | liquidmetal | tilmann: can you tell me more about that? |
| 14:06.52 | macduyhai | ojwb: were there that many proposals last year? |
| 14:07.09 | ojwb | ~7000 proposals from ~3000 candidates |
| 14:07.22 | ojwb | in 2008 |
| 14:07.32 | ojwb | the figures for past years are on the website |
| 14:07.39 | tilmann | liquidmetal: if you write two proposals each to a different org and both are ranked high enough to be taken |
| 14:07.41 | macduyhai | which one? :) |
| 14:07.56 | ojwb | well, which do you think? |
| 14:08.14 | ojwb | http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/ProgramStatistics |
| 14:08.16 | macduyhai | did any candidate try to submit all 20 possible proposals? |
| 14:08.23 | tilmann | then a sign will show up in the google web app telling that there is a conflict |
| 14:08.34 | ojwb | heard someone sent 10 to the same org |
| 14:08.36 | tilmann | (the student won't see this) |
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| 14:09.03 | tilmann | and there is a duplicate resolution phase were those conflicts are resolved |
| 14:09.06 | chunmun | !timeline |
| 14:09.06 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 14:09.10 | chunmun | !next |
| 14:09.10 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 14:09.11 | ojwb | suspects at least one person will have sent 20 |
| 14:09.34 | tilmann | this happened to me last year and i was asked which project i would like to do |
| 14:09.52 | tilmann | but it is not guaranteed that you will be asked and can decide for yourself |
| 14:10.16 | liquidmetal | tilmann: oh |
| 14:10.20 | sfb | lh: ping |
| 14:10.22 | macduyhai | thanks ojwb for the link |
| 14:10.49 | tilmann | so in general is a good idea to apply for projects which you really want to do :) |
| 14:10.54 | tilmann | +it's |
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| 14:12.51 | macduyhai | !next |
| 14:12.51 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 14:14.21 | absabs | !confict |
| 14:14.21 | socinfo | Error: "confict" is not a valid command. |
| 14:14.38 | macduyhai | !conflict |
| 14:14.39 | socinfo | Error: "conflict" is not a valid command. |
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| 14:14.51 | macduyhai | !commands |
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| 14:14.51 | absabs | :-D |
| 14:15.00 | macduyhai | !listcommands |
| 14:15.01 | socinfo | Error: "listcommands" is not a valid command. |
| 14:15.03 | macduyhai | !help |
| 14:15.03 | socinfo | "help" is see !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 14:15.14 | absabs | !wiki |
| 14:15.14 | socinfo | "wiki" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/w/list |
| 14:15.16 | ojwb | there is no way to list all the factoids AFAIK |
| 14:15.27 | ojwb | if you want to play with the bot, you can PM it |
| 14:15.36 | macduyhai | sorry, of course |
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| 14:17.03 | macduyhai | is being ignored by the bot for the next 10 minutes |
| 14:17.19 | ojwb | wow, what did you do? |
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| 14:18.00 | danderson | command flood, probaby |
| 14:18.03 | macduyhai | gave it 5 invalid commands :'( |
| 14:18.07 | danderson | triggered its flood protection :) |
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| 14:19.14 | alexstre^ | !app |
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| 14:19.18 | alexstre^ | aw |
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| 14:19.23 | alexstre^ | !student |
| 14:19.24 | socinfo | Error: "student" is not a valid command. |
| 14:19.49 | ojwb | I'll say it again - if you want to play with the bot, you can PM it |
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| 14:20.16 | alexstre^ | I was looking for the student application website, but I guess I'll scroll up I remember seeing it |
| 14:20.31 | ojwb | !next |
| 14:20.31 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 14:20.39 | alexstre^ | thank you |
| 14:20.43 | ojwb | sure |
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| 14:55.01 | bergwolf | !timeline |
| 14:55.02 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 14:58.23 | omniter | application deadline's almost heeeere :D |
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| 14:59.04 | nopper | the deadline will be extended? |
| 14:59.16 | omniter | it will? :S |
| 14:59.19 | omniter | where did you hear that |
| 14:59.23 | p_l | >_< |
| 14:59.35 | nopper | I'm just asking |
| 14:59.40 | p_l | just got back his internet connection... 2 days lost from time before deadline |
| 14:59.49 | omniter | ah |
| 15:00.06 | omniter | p_l, at least you didn't lose your entire vista profile -_- |
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| 15:00.36 | p_l | omniter: teaches you to make backups, ne? :D |
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| 15:00.43 | ojwb | !extension |
| 15:00.43 | socinfo | "extension" is There is no deadline extension planned at this time. You should not assume that there will be one. |
| 15:00.56 | p_l | wonders if his 1T drive that houses most of his data will boot up again |
| 15:01.22 | tntcoda | waits for April 20th |
| 15:01.23 | omniter | p_l, backup my entire profile? |
| 15:01.32 | omniter | i'm talking about my settings and desktop and stuff |
| 15:01.37 | omniter | not my files. i have those :p |
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| 15:01.46 | p_l | omniter: yeah, backup profile and system config too |
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| 15:02.05 | omniter | p_l, well it was still there. vista just can't load it. =\ |
| 15:02.15 | omniter | it says it cant load my profile, and uses the default system one |
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| 15:02.25 | p_l | omniter: try overriding ACLs on your profile |
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| 15:02.38 | schumaml | the deadline could be shortened by five minutes for each and every question like "will there be a deadline extension?" |
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| 15:02.59 | p_l | schumaml: hey, think of those who don't ask for extension! |
| 15:03.07 | omniter | p_l, acl? |
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| 15:03.23 | p_l | omniter: Access Control Lists |
| 15:03.52 | ojwb | schumaml: if that was done, I think this year's deadline would be before last year's by now |
| 15:04.00 | summatusmentis | schumaml: it would've been done yesterday |
| 15:04.01 | schumaml | p_l: those get to fight the people who did ask. after the deadline. |
| 15:04.03 | omniter | p_l, and what would that do? =\ |
| 15:04.37 | summatusmentis | omniter: well, it'd make slackers like Landon step up their pace :-P |
| 15:04.42 | p_l | schumaml: would we get RoE codes for WMDs? |
| 15:04.47 | Landon | shshsh |
| 15:04.49 | omniter | summatusmentis, who's Landon? |
| 15:05.11 | summatusmentis | omniter: meet Landon, Landon, meet omniter |
| 15:05.21 | summatusmentis | he's just another student, I just give him crap |
| 15:05.43 | Landon | I think I'm only going to be doing one application this year too |
| 15:05.44 | Landon | :p |
| 15:05.51 | Landon | but I;m focusing on making it good ;) |
| 15:06.01 | Landon | check it out, I made a mockup for it |
| 15:06.03 | Landon | http://lfowles.org/images/battlemockup.png |
| 15:06.14 | Landon | it's called Fleet-emon |
| 15:06.20 | Landon | gotta catchemall |
| 15:06.31 | p_l | ... |
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| 15:06.55 | summatusmentis | Landon: uh... this looks like a game. Are you even writing an application? :-P |
| 15:06.57 | p_l | Landon: is the `n' silent? :P |
| 15:07.18 | Landon | summatusmentis: applying to make a 3d battle viewer for thousand parsec |
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| 15:07.31 | summatusmentis | Landon: (yes, I know you're applying to thousand parsec) |
| 15:07.33 | summatusmentis | oh, you beat me |
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| 15:07.49 | summatusmentis | goes and hones his joking skills some more |
| 15:07.49 | Landon | image is from freelancer btw |
| 15:07.55 | Landon | go buy it and pay your tribute to microsoft RIGHT NOW |
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| 15:08.16 | Wolf_OSGeo | !next |
| 15:08.17 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 15:10.50 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 15:13.18 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: how many proposals are you writing? |
| 15:14.24 | LV-426_ | Raim, i'm not sure it's causing this but thanks... any chance you try test connecting ? ( irc.fu-berlin.de #freifunk ) |
| 15:14.43 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: right now. just one! |
| 15:15.08 | Raim | LV-426_: yes, I am connected to IRCnet currently, even using irc.fu-berlin.de |
| 15:15.38 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: how many are you hoping to get done? :-P |
| 15:15.40 | LV-426_ | Raim, are you running identd ? |
| 15:15.42 | omniter | i only wrote one application too |
| 15:15.46 | Raim | LV-426_: yes |
| 15:15.52 | summatusmentis | omniter: me too :) |
| 15:16.16 | Raim | LV-426_: do you connect over a shared IP (e.g. NAT)? |
| 15:16.31 | LV-426_ | yup |
| 15:16.33 | Raim | LV-426_: IRCnet only allows 2 connections per IP, maybe you were hit by that |
| 15:16.49 | omniter | it's the only one i really really wanna do. even though i have a better chance of being accepted to other things. which is bad. because if i get accepted to both, i don't get a say in which one i do. so i'm just applying to one. |
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| 15:18.42 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: maybe 2. but doesnt matter. last year i hoped i'd do two as well. i ended up with only 1 :D |
| 15:19.00 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: man... write faster! I submitted 3 last year |
| 15:19.03 | summatusmentis | 1 was really bad |
| 15:19.10 | summatusmentis | in hindsight |
| 15:19.20 | ajuonline | eh :P |
| 15:20.03 | summatusmentis | >_> I'll stop harassing you so you can write |
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| 15:20.25 | ajuonline | yeh i need to get off internet :P |
| 15:20.29 | ajuonline | so i can write up ;) |
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| 15:20.46 | summatusmentis | hah, that never works for me |
| 15:21.05 | arunreddy1 | !time |
| 15:21.05 | socinfo | "time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
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| 15:22.22 | arunreddy1 | !timeline |
| 15:22.22 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 15:22.52 | omniter | i just switched from Opera to Firefox, and i made the interface look identical to Steam =\ |
| 15:23.06 | summatusmentis | urgh, Opera |
| 15:23.06 | SantiByron | !next |
| 15:23.06 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 15:23.45 | omniter | summatusmentis, i like the browser itself... it's just really incompatible with everything |
| 15:23.58 | summatusmentis | they would argue it's more compatible :) |
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| 15:24.07 | omniter | it crashes in Google Images, Gmail, forums... |
| 15:24.24 | omniter | consistently sometimes. i'd restart the browser, and it'd crash again when i click a lik |
| 15:24.26 | omniter | link* |
| 15:24.29 | summatusmentis | yeah, but it's standards compliant! |
| 15:24.40 | omniter | firefox doesn't seem to have any problems so far |
| 15:24.54 | summatusmentis | I rarely if ever have firefox crash |
| 15:25.03 | p_l | otoh, I have yet to see Opera crash a whole OS. With Firefox I learned it's the default option :P |
| 15:25.15 | summatusmentis | I wish firefox were smaller, or chrome ran on linux/os x |
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| 15:25.28 | omniter | i have noticed that firefox is a bit slow though =\ |
| 15:25.39 | omniter | slower than opera i mean |
| 15:25.44 | summatusmentis | I want webkit w/ firefox extensibility |
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| 15:26.00 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: What I'd really like is the moon on a stick |
| 15:26.05 | omniter | i want all my games and apps to work on linux so i can switch. -_- |
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| 15:26.23 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: me too, then you could carry it with you wherever you go |
| 15:26.32 | summatusmentis | you'd be like "hey guise, I haz a moon" |
| 15:26.45 | Ivanovic | omniter: regarding games this is easy: just switch to wesnoth and you need no other games anymore... |
| 15:27.00 | omniter | eh? |
| 15:27.01 | Corsix | if you had the moon on a stick, then you could climb the stick and use it as a space elevator |
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| 15:27.37 | summatusmentis | Corsix: yeah, but "hey guise, I haz a moon"! |
| 15:27.57 | omniter | i hate RPGs. and all other turn-based games. |
| 15:27.58 | Corsix | but getting things into space cheaply is much more fun |
| 15:28.47 | the9a3eedi | question. I'm assuming that you'd need to prove to GSoC that you're a student. is this during the application process? or after? |
| 15:28.57 | LV-426_ | Raim, sorry to bug you - 'LV-426_[LV-426_@77.127.128.203] (Unauthorized connection)' can't see how identd could be blamed now... are you connected to 130.133.8.2 ? |
| 15:28.59 | summatusmentis | after you get accepted |
| 15:29.01 | makmanalp | the9a3eedi: it's after i believe |
| 15:29.05 | the9a3eedi | ah, good lol |
| 15:29.08 | makmanalp | the9a3eedi: while you do the tax stuff and all |
| 15:29.11 | the9a3eedi | i haven't requested for a transcript :P |
| 15:29.15 | makmanalp | hehe |
| 15:29.49 | omniter | anybody else here applied to Ogre? |
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| 15:29.59 | Raim | LV-426_: ah, wait, you are not connecting from inside Germany, are you? |
| 15:29.59 | makmanalp | Catfish_Man: hello, sir? |
| 15:30.03 | Catfish_Man | hi |
| 15:30.12 | makmanalp | Catfish_Man: you're the same one on #qc? |
| 15:30.17 | LV-426_ | no - i suspected that..... |
| 15:30.21 | Raim | LV-426_: you probably need to use a local irc-server for IRCnet, not *.de |
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| 15:30.44 | Catfish_Man | makmanalp: I am, as well as a number of other channels |
| 15:30.57 | LV-426_ | Raim, great i'll go see if i can find one |
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| 15:31.26 | Erant | IRCNet is a bitch as far as bouncers go. |
| 15:31.38 | insane_ | am i supposed to create my application using 'create new document' link and then somehow connect it with the organisation? |
| 15:31.46 | LV-426_ | Raim, k thanks i'm in... |
| 15:31.54 | Corsix | insane_: login, register as a student |
| 15:31.59 | summatusmentis | insane_: no, see the link on the left that says "submit my student application"? |
| 15:32.00 | Corsix | then use the student application link |
| 15:32.24 | insane_ | ok i got it |
| 15:32.25 | insane_ | thanks |
| 15:32.26 | the9a3eedi | http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/e467dae77843e327?hl=en poor guy :( |
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| 15:32.53 | Raim | LV-426_: great. |
| 15:32.55 | danderson | yes. Nothing can be done. Sad. Can we move on? |
| 15:32.59 | tiagoserra_ | Hi, can more than one student apply to the same gsoc proposal? |
| 15:33.06 | danderson | (there was already a looooong winded discussion about this yesterday) |
| 15:33.08 | Ivanovic | tiagoserra_: apply: of course |
| 15:33.12 | [particle] | tiagoserra_: yes! |
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| 15:33.54 | tiagoserra_ | ok thanks ;) I just fell in love with another student idea that I would like to contribute :) |
| 15:34.19 | omniter | tiagoserra_, if you mean working together, then no |
| 15:34.36 | omniter | if you apply with his idea, you two will be competing for the same spot. |
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| 15:34.41 | omniter | either he gets accepted or you do |
| 15:34.41 | tiagoserra_ | oh I see.. |
| 15:34.46 | ojwb | the FAQ deals with this and related issues quite clearly |
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| 15:34.53 | tiagoserra_ | that wouldnt be very nice |
| 15:34.56 | sushil | hi all , i am bit confused with abstract and synopsis. How do they differ?. I googled a bit but couldn't clarify myself. Help please. |
| 15:35.00 | tiagoserra_ | since it's his idea :) |
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| 15:35.12 | summatusmentis | ojwb: you're being personable! usually it's just <ojwb> !faq |
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| 15:35.30 | ojwb | pah, sometimes I use other triggers |
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| 15:36.27 | omniter | sushil, synopsis is usually asked for by your organization as an introduction to your application. the abstract is a short passage to give people an idea as to what your application is about. you can use the synopsis as the abstract if you want. |
| 15:36.36 | truncs | sushil: abstract should summarize your whole proposal and what you intend to do |
| 15:37.39 | omniter | the abstract isn't too important. it just gets displayed on the students list if you get accepted. |
| 15:37.41 | sushil | thanks guys. |
| 15:37.51 | the9a3eedi | danderson, there was? lol kk I'll shutup |
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| 15:38.31 | summatusmentis | sushil: fwiw, my 'synopsis' was way way way too long to fit in the 'abstract' field |
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| 15:41.06 | mdc_mobile | !faq |
| 15:41.06 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 15:45.07 | atul15 | !next |
| 15:45.07 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 15:46.32 | haoyu | !countdown |
| 15:46.32 | socinfo | Error: "countdown" is not a valid command. |
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| 15:48.06 | MatthewWilkes | !extension |
| 15:48.07 | socinfo | "extension" is There is no deadline extension planned at this time. You should not assume that there will be one. |
| 15:48.10 | MatthewWilkes | !unlearn extension |
| 15:48.11 | socinfo | Error: "unlearn" is not a valid command. |
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| 15:48.18 | MatthewWilkes | unlearn extension |
| 15:48.20 | summatusmentis | try forget |
| 15:48.22 | MatthewWilkes | ah |
| 15:48.25 | MatthewWilkes | !forget extension |
| 15:48.26 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:48.32 | MatthewWilkes | !learn extension We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 15:48.33 | socinfo | (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value. |
| 15:48.35 | MatthewWilkes | !learn extension as We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 15:48.36 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:48.59 | MatthewWilkes | (From the mailing list, so official) |
| 15:49.16 | viggy_prabhu | hi friends |
| 15:50.09 | viggy_prabhu | i want to know if i can see the applications from other aspirants who have applied in the same project? |
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| 15:50.27 | tntcoda | do proposals get locked after the submission deadline? or can they still be edited |
| 15:50.31 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: fair enough |
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| 15:50.38 | Catfish_Man | viggy_prabhu: you can't |
| 15:50.57 | summatusmentis | tntcoda: according to SRabbelier, comments will currently be allowed, they're planning on adding functionality to give mentors the ability to allow edits |
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| 15:51.07 | tntcoda | ah i see, thanks |
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| 15:51.17 | viggy_prabhu | Catfish_Man: ok, thanks |
| 15:51.32 | borja | summatusmentis: the "allowing edits" functionality is not in Melange? It was part of last year's web app |
| 15:51.34 | mdc_mobile | !extension |
| 15:51.34 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 15:51.37 | SRabbelier | tntcoda: correct |
| 15:51.38 | summatusmentis | borja: not yet |
| 15:51.43 | SRabbelier | tntcoda: that is, what summatusmentis said |
| 15:51.49 | tntcoda | ok thanks guys |
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| 15:52.00 | borja | aha |
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| 15:52.47 | summatusmentis | borja: apparently some check box or something, ask SRabbelier :-D |
| 15:53.23 | SRabbelier | borja: it's not in Melange yet, no |
| 15:53.23 | pi31415926535 | !language |
| 15:53.23 | socinfo | Error: "language" is not a valid command. |
| 15:53.31 | summatusmentis | !orgsbylang |
| 15:53.31 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 15:53.35 | summatusmentis | that what you're looking for? |
| 15:54.12 | pi31415926535 | this is the list sorted by programming languages right? |
| 15:54.19 | pi31415926535 | ok it is |
| 15:54.21 | pi31415926535 | thanx |
| 15:54.24 | summatusmentis | sure thing |
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| 15:55.06 | summatusmentis | oh god recursion |
| 15:55.13 | gsoc | :D |
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| 15:56.06 | gsoc | mibbit always prompts ' Your name mentioned ' |
| 15:56.31 | hypa7ia | recursion fail: http://twitter.com/pycon |
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| 15:58.00 | gsoc | nerdy about pycon |
| 15:58.53 | sid0 | !orgsbylang |
| 15:58.53 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
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| 16:28.21 | chasedspeed | hello everyone |
| 16:28.27 | chasedspeed | howz everyone doing ? |
| 16:28.36 | LaurieJ | chasedspeed: hello |
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| 16:29.24 | chasedspeed | Hi laurieJ |
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| 16:29.46 | chasedspeed | applying for GSOC ? |
| 16:29.47 | Landon | do mentors get a diff of edits on the student proposal? |
| 16:29.51 | Landon | or should I bold this stuff |
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| 16:30.42 | lh | Landon: no diffs, bold it |
| 16:31.38 | LaurieJ | chasedspeed: no, I'm an org admin |
| 16:31.50 | Landon | ok |
| 16:31.50 | devvrat | :P |
| 16:31.59 | chasedspeed | ok :) |
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| 16:32.12 | homunq | (this is one of the reasons Sugar Labs has chosen to favor putting the "real copy" of proposals on the wiki). |
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| 16:32.27 | durin42 | Catfish_Man: which bot? |
| 16:32.31 | homunq | (wikis do diffs, more or less) |
| 16:32.31 | durin42 | Catfish_Man: mine? |
| 16:33.17 | Catfish_Man | durin42: yeah, after the netsplit rejoin |
| 16:33.26 | chasedspeed | sabotagel: are you from IIITH ? |
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| 16:33.44 | durin42 | Catfish_Man: ah, probably too many new people at once or something |
| 16:33.52 | durin42 | hm, should add some kind of rate limit. |
| 16:34.01 | sabotage1 | chasedspeed: yes. |
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| 16:35.33 | chasedspeed | sabotagel: applying for GSOC or mentoring ? |
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| 16:35.40 | sabotage1 | applying. |
| 16:35.55 | sabotage1 | chasedspeed: which college are you from? |
| 16:36.29 | chasedspeed | same college :) |
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| 16:37.45 | Landon | D: lost my changes |
| 16:38.01 | sabotage1 | chasedspeed: are you applying or mentoring? |
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| 16:38.33 | chasedspeed | sabotagel: applying |
| 16:38.48 | Gofishus | deadline for GSoC is 3:00 pm EST |
| 16:38.56 | ajuonline | !next |
| 16:38.56 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 16:39.01 | ajuonline | Gofishus: ^ |
| 16:39.03 | chasedspeed | sabotagel : I applied in python commuity for code coverage tools ... what abt you ? |
| 16:39.12 | koryk | I have a mustache |
| 16:39.14 | Gofishus | yeah that is 7:00 pm GMT |
| 16:39.42 | sabotage1 | chasedspeed: i applied in sakai .. for interface improvement. |
| 16:40.26 | chasedspeed | sabotagel: sounds like japanese community :). |
| 16:40.44 | devvrat | but it isn't really |
| 16:40.54 | sabotage1 | chasedspeed: :P |
| 16:41.30 | chasedspeed | sabotagel: how many applications you are targeting this year ? |
| 16:41.38 | sabotage1 | chasedspeed: which year are you in? |
| 16:41.43 | chasedspeed | sabotagel: my friend already reached 5-6 ! |
| 16:41.53 | sabotage1 | chasedspeed: 1 |
| 16:42.11 | sabotage1 | chasedspeed: wow! its tough to keep in touch and track so many! |
| 16:42.15 | chasedspeed | sabotagel: did you get any response from mentors on your app ? |
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| 16:43.18 | sabotage1 | chasedspeed: yes.. a thankyou response :D |
| 16:43.18 | chasedspeed | sabotagel : lol |
| 16:43.18 | sabotage1 | chasedspeed: which year are you in? |
| 16:43.18 | chasedspeed | sabotagel: M in 3rd year |
| 16:43.29 | chasedspeed | sabotagel: n u ? |
| 16:43.36 | sabotage1 | chasedspeed: 4th |
| 16:44.14 | sabotage1 | chasedspeed: how many applications you sent? |
| 16:44.43 | chasedspeed | sabotagel: 1 untill now, applying for 2nd one. |
| 16:45.06 | sabotage1 | chasedspeed: have you been in touch with all the organisations you are applying to? |
| 16:45.37 | chasedspeed | sabotagel: I tried, but mentors seem to be so busy that they forgot to reply after sometime ! |
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| 16:45.50 | sabotage1 | chasedspeed: :) |
| 16:46.04 | uzytkownik | !timeline |
| 16:46.04 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 16:46.52 | chasedspeed | sabotagel : everyone talking about deadline making me nervous now :( . |
| 16:47.13 | chasedspeed | sabotagel : I guess, I should review my application again before deadline |
| 16:48.33 | chasedspeed | sabotagel: ok then, it was nice talking to you :) |
| 16:48.38 | sabotage1 | chasedspeed: sure! |
| 16:48.43 | sabotage1 | chasedspeed: all the best! |
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| 16:48.53 | chasedspeed | sabotagel: best of luck for you too ! |
| 16:48.55 | rkirti | !next |
| 16:48.55 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 16:50.32 | vsh426 | how much time left for proposal submissions? |
| 16:50.52 | Mek | 26 hours |
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| 16:54.58 | vivia | Hi... in the FAQ it says that the deadline for student applications is April 7th, but the http://socghop.appspot.com/ homepage says it's April 3rd |
| 16:55.03 | vivia | Which one is valid? :) |
| 16:55.12 | codestasher | 3rd |
| 16:55.25 | codestasher | only around 24 hours left |
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| 16:55.35 | vivia | and i really needed an extension :'( oh well, thanks :) |
| 16:55.46 | codestasher | dont hope for that |
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| 16:56.15 | Erant | Where does it say the 7th? |
| 16:56.19 | vivia | in the FAQ |
| 16:56.29 | borja | vivia: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#timeline says it's the 3rd |
| 16:56.36 | Erant | Same here |
| 16:56.39 | borja | vivia: Are you sure you're not looking at last year's faq? |
| 16:56.48 | Erant | :P |
| 16:56.50 | devvrat | lol |
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| 16:56.52 | vivia | borja: sorry :S i had googled for the faq and that's where it got me |
| 16:56.56 | Erant | ... |
| 16:57.04 | vivia | thanks anyway :) |
| 16:58.13 | Ravipriya | Hi I submit my Proposal today.It was saved successfully.But one of my mentor said that my proposal is marked as ineligeble.Have you any idea on that.I want help |
| 16:58.40 | borja | Ravipriya: You should ask the mentor |
| 16:58.53 | smtms | borja, no known bug? |
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| 16:59.26 | honglianglv | If the application deadline arrives, can I make a comment on my proposal? |
| 16:59.40 | borja | smtms: with proposals flagged as ineligible? |
| 16:59.40 | Ravipriya | borja:mentor at the organization told he'll ask from google |
| 16:59.45 | hypa7ia | honglianglv: you can make comments but not changes to the main proposal |
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| 17:00.16 | honglianglv | oh, I see . Thanks |
| 17:00.23 | Ravipriya | Is there any person here work at google,who can help me |
| 17:00.27 | borja | Ravipriya: If the mentor flagged it as ineligible by mistake, he'll have to talk with Google to have it "unflagged" |
| 17:00.48 | hypa7ia | but that's assuming it was a mistake |
| 17:00.53 | borja | Ravipriya: If your mentor has already contacted them, you should wait until he hears back from Google |
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| 17:01.41 | borja | hypa7ia: yeah, but Ravipriya is implying that the application was marked as ineligible and the mentor wants to correct that |
| 17:01.51 | Ravipriya | borja: No.mentor haven't flagged that.Google have flagged that ineligeble.So.. |
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| 17:02.09 | Ravipriya | borja: I don't know why have google did that |
| 17:02.13 | borja | ? |
| 17:02.27 | hypa7ia | ohh, gotcha |
| 17:02.32 | hypa7ia | i misread :) |
| 17:02.32 | borja | I don't think Google flags applications as ineligible; that is left entirely up to the organizations, right? |
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| 17:03.13 | schumaml | borja: afaik yes |
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| 17:03.30 | schumaml | although they certainly do have the possibility to do so, if needed |
| 17:03.34 | borja | Ravipriya: bottom line is that if your mentor is already in touch with Google about this, you should wait until he hears back from them. If you ask one of the Google or Melange folks about it here, they will probably just tell you to talk with your mentor. |
| 17:04.00 | codestasher | hihypa7ia |
| 17:04.16 | schumaml | ... and if it is something else, then you should rephrase the question |
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| 17:04.42 | borja | lunch time for me |
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| 17:04.49 | hypa7ia | hey codestasher , wait for Letoto to answer your question, i didn't answer because I don't know it. |
| 17:04.56 | codestasher | ohk |
| 17:04.59 | hypa7ia | runs to class now |
| 17:05.04 | homunq | In Sugar Labs, we'd be happy to receive a re-submitted application if it fixed the ineligibility problems |
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| 17:05.49 | homunq | our only ineligible app was total spam (Sugar is not a CMS) but if that student came back with a serious app, we'd consider it. |
| 17:06.16 | homunq | ie, don't worry about the ineligible one, just make a new one. |
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| 17:06.32 | homunq | but talk to your org, of course. |
| 17:06.44 | zooko | There is a CMS with Sugar in its name. |
| 17:06.50 | zooko | So it was probably an honest mistake. |
| 17:06.52 | Ravipriya | Hi is there any one on Melange? |
| 17:06.55 | zooko | Combined with a lack of attention... |
| 17:07.16 | homunq | zooko: you're right, I knew that but hadn't thought of it. |
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| 17:08.28 | homunq | still, they ignored our whole application template. It may be honest but it's not very serious. |
| 17:09.36 | homunq | "me leet hacker, trust me will find and fix all security holes and exploits in your CMS." |
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| 17:09.51 | Catfish_Man | homunq: heh. awesome |
| 17:09.58 | tntcoda | ha thats brilliant |
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| 17:11.39 | homunq | "week 1: find. week 2: fix. Weeks 3-8: repeat." <--- almost direct quote. |
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| 17:12.36 | Erant | homunq: O_o |
| 17:12.40 | Corsix | how horrible |
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| 17:19.47 | Landon | homunq: proposal to fix all the bugs>? :P |
| 17:19.54 | Landon | ah I should read up |
| 17:19.55 | Landon | nice |
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| 17:27.19 | haoyu | it said ACCEPTED Students by *Country* but *Hong Kong* is there... |
| 17:27.42 | ahuillet | ? |
| 17:28.12 | Gamara | It is a 'region' field. |
| 17:28.22 | haoyu | oh, I mean this: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p6DuoA2lJToKmUzoSq6raZQ |
| 17:28.24 | Gamara | notice that usa outlying islands is there , too. |
| 17:28.54 | Gamara | as a seperate entity. |
| 17:29.53 | haoyu | okey.. I don't know that |
| 17:29.54 | schumaml | are there demo screenshots of the socghop app for the various use levels? |
| 17:30.28 | lh | schumaml: no there are not. would be good to create some, but we haven't had time to do so yet. |
| 17:30.30 | schumaml | i.e. I want to see what my mentors see |
| 17:30.45 | lh | schumaml: invite yourself as a mentor |
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| 17:31.53 | lh | schumaml: the only things that you see that they don't are the assigning mentors and assign application rank functions |
| 17:32.11 | lh | if you want to see exactly what they see, i recommend a test account on melange-demo.appspot.com for now |
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| 17:35.24 | ruturaj | when i (student) comment on my own proposal , does the org get informed? |
| 17:35.52 | ruturaj | the Qs asked on comments, what would be a better practice, answering it there, as a comment or on mailing list. |
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| 17:39.24 | Nightrose | ruturaj: answer in comments and notify org in case you fear they will miss it |
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| 17:39.54 | ruturaj | thanx :) |
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| 17:41.11 | casinaroyale | !next |
| 17:41.12 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 18:05.13 | robsonmwoc | hello people, how do I can submit a application? |
| 18:05.44 | robsonmwoc | I simply create a new document in my profile? |
| 18:06.24 | Voldemort_harry | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_studentapply |
| 18:06.57 | robsonmwoc | thanks |
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| 18:07.19 | omniter | you'd better hurry, robsonmwoc. :) one more day |
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| 18:08.22 | robsonmwoc | omniter: it's done, I just need submit it now :D |
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| 18:17.12 | truncs | !timeline |
| 18:17.12 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 18:26.31 | Nightrose | jenred: hey :) just saw your email - we at KDE already have a fair number of applicants but I'd be willing to work with any woman you send to me who wants to apply to KDE |
| 18:26.40 | Nightrose | (I am one of the backup admins for KDE) |
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| 18:27.24 | jenred | Nightrose thanks |
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| 18:29.53 | Ivanovic | !next |
| 18:29.53 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 18:40.44 | evanBowling | anybody know if Android has subversion on the developer site? |
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| 18:44.40 | desowin_ | evanBowling: android source code is tracked using git repository AFAIK |
| 18:45.07 | peter_dc | jenred: if you have applicants with interest in evolution/biology or experience in the R programming language the NEScent group might be interesting to your applicants http://tinyurl.com/c8bb5b |
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| 18:47.16 | jenred | peter_dc thanks |
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| 18:48.53 | evanBowling | thanks desowin_, thats the new version control Linus made right? |
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| 18:49.02 | vedlith | is bioperl any better than biopython? oO |
| 18:49.06 | ajuonline | desowin_: yo!! |
| 18:49.30 | ajuonline | desowin_: student/mentor this year? |
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| 18:49.54 | ajuonline | recalls desowin_ was someone who gave him app writing tips last year |
| 18:49.55 | ajuonline | ;) |
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| 18:51.30 | ArthurLiu | hi jenred, I'm contacting our debian-women people if they're interested in assisting to do something special, in the meantime, here's our ideas list : http://wiki.debian.org/gsoc |
| 18:51.36 | yigit | hey there |
| 18:51.47 | yigit | whats the ideal size of our abstract? |
| 18:51.48 | evanBowling | I'm a student |
| 18:52.01 | evanBowling | yigit, 500 characters |
| 18:52.03 | Landon | yigit: <500 characters |
| 18:52.04 | Landon | :p |
| 18:52.15 | yigit | ok, thanks |
| 18:52.38 | ii_py | where are the mentors? |
| 18:52.40 | evanBowling | its cool Landon, your response was more correct;) |
| 18:53.05 | Landon | evanBowling: 0 < length <= 500 |
| 18:53.26 | ecksun | !next |
| 18:53.27 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 18:53.28 | evanBowling | hehe |
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| 19:00.49 | sarguru | !next |
| 19:00.49 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 19:06.32 | agashish | hi |
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| 19:07.29 | agashish | I know only only java and C, can i participate in projects using php, ia can learn php |
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| 19:07.59 | Corsix | agashish: If mentors are happy with it, then yes |
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| 19:15.24 | n00b | what do i have to fill in document link id? |
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| 19:20.48 | bobbens | !timeline |
| 19:20.48 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 19:21.34 | literal | n00b: I think you're using the wrong form, use "Submit your Student Proposal", not "Create a New Document" |
| 19:22.25 | n00b | literal: where is it? |
| 19:22.43 | macduyhai | Ctrl+F |
| 19:23.07 | smtms | should I view my list of project proposals with 50 items per page or with 100 items per page? :-) |
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| 19:23.49 | macduyhai | smtms: :) |
| 19:24.04 | macduyhai | did you find a way to submit more than 20? :) |
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| 19:25.13 | sameer_a | Hi all, I was curious to know if Google will evaluate our proposal or will they trust the mentoring organizations regarding what to take and what not to take (and only impose a limit on total number)? referenced in http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#program_works ? |
| 19:25.36 | DannyB | GOogle leaves it up to the mentoring orgs |
| 19:25.36 | Catfish_Man | sameer_a: the latter |
| 19:25.54 | Catfish_Man | for reasons of feasibility, if nothing else ;) |
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| 19:26.33 | sameer_a | Catfish_Man: Thanks; guessed it but thought it safe to ask :) |
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| 19:35.33 | secureendpoints | hi jenred. |
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| 19:45.41 | kpreid | If I have found a project I'd really like to work on, is there a way to also apply to a 'second-choice' project without hurting my chances of getting the first one? |
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| 19:46.05 | literal | yes |
| 19:46.22 | zooko | kpreid's first choice is Tahoe, which may well get zero or few slots this year, so I'm encouraging him to apply for others. |
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| 19:46.31 | hypa7ia | just apply for both, kpreid |
| 19:47.37 | anothy_x | i believe the official word (as per the mailing list) is that every org will be offered at least one slot. |
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| 19:48.03 | homunq | kpreid: to clarify, if you are good enough for both, they will probably ask you your preferences. (probably, not definitely) |
| 19:48.08 | _dr | mh, this might be a little ot, but how can i specify issue type or priority using google code? |
| 19:48.14 | homunq | so you should just apply for both. |
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| 19:48.33 | asdlkf | i'm trying to submit a propsal for etherboot... but the etherboot page doesn't seem to have any way to submit anything |
| 19:48.35 | kpreid | homunq: is that documented anywhere? |
| 19:48.41 | zooko | kpreid: tahoe isn't an org. |
| 19:48.53 | zooko | It is under and umbrella org, which can choose to give it (Tahoe) zero slots. |
| 19:48.59 | kpreid | zooko: I think anothy_x needs to know that |
| 19:49.05 | zooko | There is much competition for slots. Nothing's guaranteed. Apply for more. :-) |
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| 19:49.28 | homunq | !slots |
| 19:49.28 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 19:49.32 | kpreid | asdlkf: you submit proposals on http://socghop.appspot.com/ |
| 19:50.00 | homunq | kpreid, I think it was mentioned in that doc. I'm sure I've read it somewhere, sorry I don't have time to look for you right now. |
| 19:50.01 | asdlkf | thats where i'm at |
| 19:50.19 | asdlkf | i logged in, clicked participating organizations, clicked etherboot |
| 19:50.23 | kpreid | asdlkf: make an account, your profile, click 'submit your student proposal' in the sidebar |
| 19:50.28 | asdlkf | I see the template, but... no actual 'submission' |
| 19:50.33 | zooko | The truth is there is some uncertainty about whether the umbrella organization -- Python Software Foundation -- wants to sponsor Tahoe at all. |
| 19:50.34 | kpreid | it's a different list from the public list of orgs |
| 19:50.41 | zooko | Sorry for that uncertainty. |
| 19:50.46 | kpreid | zooko: oh? why? |
| 19:50.53 | homunq | asdlkf: you don't do it from the org page. Do what kpreid said. |
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| 19:51.51 | asdlkf | ... sorry, I dont see this "submit your student proposal" thing |
| 19:51.59 | zooko | Nominally because the Tahoe ideas aren't not contributing much to the Python core or to code that is widely re-used by Python community. But it also seems to be a bit of a political issue. |
| 19:52.16 | kpreid | asdlkf: in the sidebar, while you are logged in |
| 19:52.27 | asdlkf | I see user (self), edit profile, roles, requests, notifications, create a new document, list documents... programs, GSOC 2009... and 12 things under there |
| 19:52.38 | anothy_x | zooko, kpreid: ah, i'd missed that. thanks for the clarification. |
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| 19:53.09 | kpreid | asdlkf: under GSoC 2009 it is the ninth item for me. Perhaps you didn't complete your student profile? |
| 19:53.13 | zooko | The reason I say it seems to be a bit political is that the organizer of PSF, who might prefer to exclude Tahoe, is also including a project of his own under PSF which is at least as "separate" and non-reusable as Tahoe is. |
| 19:53.21 | zooko | But you can't do anything about politics. So apply for more good projects. :-) |
| 19:53.24 | asdlkf | ahhhh; register as a student. ty. |
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| 19:53.46 | zooko | Hello vinc456. |
| 19:53.58 | vinc456 | zooko: hello |
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| 19:55.45 | lh | zooko: i understand that you have strong feelings on this, but this channel is not hte place for this discussion |
| 19:55.55 | lh | goes to have lunch. yay lunch. |
| 19:56.06 | Erant | goes to have a nightcap |
| 19:56.07 | zooko | lh: understood. |
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| 19:56.19 | zooko | lh: have a nice lunch. |
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| 19:58.09 | zooko | Anybody working on submitting applications for the tahoe project should say so on channel #tahoe. |
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| 19:58.45 | prakhar | can we submit more than one proposal to same organisation? |
| 19:58.45 | vini | hey hypa7ia |
| 19:58.52 | freebsd-brooks | prakhar: yes |
| 19:58.54 | vinc456 | prakhar: yes |
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| 19:59.02 | prakhar | thanks! |
| 19:59.27 | schumaml | prakhar: could be useful to specify the favorite ones, though |
| 20:00.04 | prakhar | schumaml: sorry? |
| 20:00.35 | schumaml | tell the org which one of them you would like to do most |
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| 20:01.19 | prakhar | oh, right! :) |
| 20:01.33 | ajuonline | or not do most |
| 20:01.36 | ajuonline | :P |
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| 20:01.48 | prakhar | ajuonline: :P |
| 20:01.51 | schumaml | yep, rank them from your own point of view |
| 20:02.02 | ajuonline | hugs lh |
| 20:02.03 | ajuonline | yo! |
| 20:03.16 | schumaml | I assume that all orgs have seen a significant increase in submitted aplications in the last 24 hours? |
| 20:03.25 | schumaml | +p |
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| 20:04.18 | zooko | I sure have. ;-) |
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| 20:04.38 | zooko | We only started asking for submissions 24 hours ago. :-) |
| 20:04.55 | schumaml | ah |
| 20:05.30 | bcarlyon|laptop | ajuonline, number 3 in the can, how goes yours? |
| 20:06.31 | ajuonline | bcarlyon|laptop: wtf! i am still on 1 sorry. :P |
| 20:06.40 | ajuonline | should stop helping others now. and get back to his own app. |
| 20:06.43 | bcarlyon|laptop | How far are you on it? |
| 20:06.49 | vinc456 | !logs |
| 20:06.49 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 20:07.54 | gangil | !timeline |
| 20:07.54 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 20:08.28 | ajuonline | bcarlyon|laptop: still the same as i was in the morning :P |
| 20:08.33 | ajuonline | gets off irc |
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| 20:08.54 | ajuonline | laters |
| 20:09.08 | n00b | if a submit a proposal now. can ii edit it afterwards? |
| 20:09.22 | n00b | in the melang web app |
| 20:09.23 | schumaml | is quite glad for having "quantity does not equal quality" as hint #1 in the org's application template |
| 20:09.26 | dhaun | n00b: only until the deadline |
| 20:09.27 | n00b | for gsoc2009 |
| 20:09.37 | n00b | k |
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| 20:09.54 | n00b | wat r the chances of the deadline extending? |
| 20:10.00 | schumaml | zero |
| 20:10.01 | Landon | !deadline |
| 20:10.01 | socinfo | Error: "deadline" is not a valid command. |
| 20:10.05 | Landon | !extension |
| 20:10.06 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
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| 20:10.08 | Landon | ^ |
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| 20:10.24 | bcarlyon|laptop | Rofl |
| 20:12.07 | schumaml | just think about it, for your own good: if you need an extension to get some text in, what should your mentor expect regarding your ability to get the code done before a deadline? |
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| 20:18.32 | [Nikola-93] | Hi |
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| 20:20.08 | [Nikola-93] | is there anyone ?! |
| 20:20.15 | dhaun | !ask |
| 20:20.15 | socinfo | "ask" is Don't ask to ask, just ask. Meta-questions lead to meta-answers and wasted time. |
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| 20:21.51 | drCox | juhuuuu alll!!! |
| 20:21.59 | drCox | spread some luuuuv for the summa! |
| 20:22.05 | bcarlyon|laptop | Rofl |
| 20:22.11 | drCox | there you are |
| 20:22.22 | harlan | Are any mentoring groups working on p2p VOD? |
| 20:22.25 | bcarlyon|laptop | inded |
| 20:22.31 | bcarlyon|laptop | indeed* |
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| 20:24.57 | drCox | bcarlyon|laptop: you try to re-invent the wheel |
| 20:25.01 | [Nikola-93] | how old students should be? |
| 20:25.07 | bcarlyon|laptop | How so drCox? |
| 20:25.17 | omniter | 18 |
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| 20:25.30 | [Nikola-93] | nothing below 18 ?! :( |
| 20:25.30 | omniter | 18 by the beginning of coding |
| 20:25.34 | drCox | [Nikola-93]: That is the maximum age |
| 20:25.38 | omniter | minimum |
| 20:25.42 | omniter | not maximum |
| 20:25.50 | [Nikola-93] | oh great |
| 20:25.52 | omniter | 18 or older by may 23 |
| 20:26.16 | omniter | !eligible |
| 20:26.16 | socinfo | "eligible" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#student_eligibility |
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| 20:26.43 | omniter | actually nvm |
| 20:26.48 | omniter | 18 or older by april 20 |
| 20:26.57 | drCox | bcarlyon|laptop: because of that: "From twitter to facebook, and images to film, wordpress needs to support everything and anything in a simple to use and understand way." |
| 20:27.14 | drCox | bcarlyon|laptop: there is a thing called internet and you try to re-invent that |
| 20:27.50 | bcarlyon|laptop | o |
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| 20:27.59 | drCox | bcarlyon|laptop: to be precise, it's www and the part of internet that is www is "simple to use and understand" |
| 20:28.25 | [Nikola-93] | hmm wait a moment, I'm 16.. can I take a part in it? |
| 20:28.32 | omniter | nope |
| 20:28.36 | schumaml | not as a student |
| 20:28.44 | omniter | you might wanna look into the google high school competition thingy though |
| 20:28.49 | Catfish_Man | 16 is in fact less than 18 |
| 20:28.57 | smtms | [Nikola-93], that doesn't mean you should stay away from open source development until you become 18 though |
| 20:29.32 | omniter | [Nikola-93], http://code.google.com/opensource/ghop/2007-8/ |
| 20:30.08 | p_l | or you might become a mentor... |
| 20:30.12 | rwatson | smtms: open source projects have to be very careful when interacting with minors |
| 20:30.22 | smtms | rwatson, are you serious? |
| 20:30.24 | rwatson | smtms: since contracts aren't binding for minors in many countries |
| 20:30.26 | bcarlyon|laptop | drupal 13 year old mentor...... |
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| 20:30.35 | rwatson | smtms: this means that copyright assignments, licenses, etc, may not be binding |
| 20:30.44 | bcarlyon|laptop | That is a point rwatson. |
| 20:30.50 | smtms | that's f*cking stupid |
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| 20:31.02 | bcarlyon|laptop | No smtms its not. |
| 20:31.15 | rwatson | smtms: when a minor signs a contract signing away their life to someone, the parents can say "no, that isn't the case" |
| 20:31.17 | omniter | have you guys heard... that the bird... is the word? |
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| 20:31.25 | rwatson | smtms: I'm not saying minors can't get involved in open source, I'm just saying caution is required. |
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| 20:31.49 | bcarlyon|laptop | Thanks for the feedback drCox, will have to rethink the entire proposal then. |
| 20:32.40 | rwatson | (open source as it currently exists depends on a blend of copyright law and license/contract law, so if someone can't legally sign contracts, enter into license agreements, and most specifically, bindingly license things, then that is tricky) |
| 20:32.51 | schumaml | rwatson: any problems besides the one that the parents might have the final say? |
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| 20:33.26 | bcarlyon|laptop | schumaml, I wounldn't want to pay $4500 to a minor. |
| 20:33.37 | rwatson | schumaml: well, for google summer of code, there would also be issues relating to employing minors |
| 20:33.41 | smtms | bcarlyon|laptop, what do you think a minor would do with $4500? :-) |
| 20:33.48 | omniter | yeah... students need money more than high-schoolers |
| 20:33.54 | schumaml | outside of the scope of soc |
| 20:33.56 | rwatson | schumaml: child labour laws both vary enourmously and can be strictly enforced |
| 20:33.58 | [Nikola-93] | I would buy a SLR camera... :P |
| 20:34.01 | bcarlyon|laptop | smtms spend it all on sweets |
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| 20:34.15 | omniter | probably because we actually have to pay for our education |
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| 20:34.30 | bcarlyon|laptop | omniter, amen |
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| 20:34.47 | smtms | is doing your hobby labour? |
| 20:35.03 | bcarlyon|laptop | smtms sometimes |
| 20:35.08 | omniter | wait, bcarlyon|laptop, are you serious? there's a 13 year old mentor? |
| 20:35.22 | omniter | ... that's not right. =\ |
| 20:35.30 | smtms | and he got paid? and spent his money on sweets!? |
| 20:35.35 | bcarlyon|laptop | Yes omniter I saw it on twitter its for drupal and te guy is a mentor and part of the dev team for drupal. |
| 20:35.39 | rwatson | smtms: if someone is being paid, then it might be construed as employment |
| 20:35.40 | bcarlyon|laptop | smtms no |
| 20:35.52 | schumaml | mentors don't get paid |
| 20:35.52 | rwatson | smtms: especially if there are deliverables, payment based on work performed, etc. |
| 20:35.54 | kblin | er |
| 20:35.55 | omniter | holy crap lol |
| 20:36.02 | Catfish_Man | omniter: he's been on #gsoc a number of times |
| 20:36.06 | kblin | right, what schumaml said |
| 20:36.07 | schumaml | the orgs do get paid |
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| 20:36.31 | schumaml | ... which might be proclematic if the org is actually a 13 year old |
| 20:36.35 | schumaml | -c +b |
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| 20:37.19 | rwatson | schumaml: I don't know if google requires orgs to have a legal identity other than the developers involved .. do they? |
| 20:37.29 | rwatson | schumaml: larger open source projects will have non-profit foundations or companies |
| 20:37.37 | schumaml | I guess free software is just still waiting for a lawyer who want to use his kid for some fun against it :/ |
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| 20:37.57 | burke_openmrs | does anyone know if, like previous years, students will be able to make edits to their applications after the deadline iff they receive a review comment from a mentor? not sure if this will be true in the new app. |
| 20:37.59 | Catfish_Man | schumaml: aren't people wonderful? :/ |
| 20:38.04 | schumaml | rwatson: I don't care, gnome handles the payments for us |
| 20:38.21 | mdc_mobile | burke_openmrs: I don't know the answer, but I would assume so. |
| 20:38.24 | rwatson | schumaml: fwiw, though, mentors also have to agree to a contract with google to participate |
| 20:38.33 | smtms | burke_openmrs, lh said no |
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| 20:38.38 | rwatson | schumaml: that contract would be non-binding for minors without parental consent in many places |
| 20:38.39 | drCox | schumaml: their right is not my right! |
| 20:38.43 | mdc_mobile | whoops |
| 20:38.44 | burke_openmrs | smtms: thx |
| 20:38.57 | schumaml | rwatson: point |
| 20:39.07 | spectie | when should one mark an application as ineligible |
| 20:39.21 | spectie | i don't see anything about it in the FAQ |
| 20:39.28 | smtms | spectie, when it has clearly nothing to do with a proper GSoC application |
| 20:39.30 | rwatson | schumaml: don't get me wrong, I think it's great when young people get involved in open source, one just has to be careful. |
| 20:39.32 | schumaml | rwatson: though in this case I'm hoping for social correction of what law cannot enforce :) |
| 20:39.34 | drCox | spectie: google does, this is a kind of corporal opinion, not a brief and well known property. |
| 20:39.54 | kblin | actually google requires admins to be 18+ years old |
| 20:39.58 | bcarlyon|laptop | wanders off to do app research |
| 20:40.06 | spectie | i figured it might be something to do with age limitations |
| 20:40.28 | drCox | actually google is a company running a corporate event / marketing event sothat it is bound to law |
| 20:40.39 | spectie | Applications that are clearly spam, meaning there is no substantive proposal in the application, should immediately be marked as ineligible by clicking the "Mark as Ineligible" button. |
| 20:40.40 | spectie | aha |
| 20:40.41 | spectie | great |
| 20:40.47 | drCox | law normally states that you can only do business with people of a certain age. |
| 20:40.56 | p_l | basically Google is in USA, and I doubt anyone is going to disagree with me that USA's law system is full of traps... |
| 20:40.57 | drCox | or at least you should do so |
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| 20:41.29 | drCox | p_I: every law system is full of traps. that is why there is coming a revolution from time to time that changes things more drastically, even laws. |
| 20:41.30 | Alexandru_Criste | does anyone know how many hours are till the applying stops? |
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| 20:41.50 | rwatson | p_l: if you run a multi-million dollar summer programme interacting with over a hundred different organizations, asking your lawyer whether or not you should involve minors isn't a bad idea. :-) |
| 20:41.53 | rszulgo | I've heard that 22h |
| 20:41.57 | schumaml | !next |
| 20:41.57 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 20:42.19 | schumaml | !utc |
| 20:43.25 | socinfo | Error: "utc" is not a valid command. |
| 20:43.25 | Alexandru_Criste | thank you |
| 20:43.25 | p_l | drCox: Some law systems seem less broken than USA (it's however partially a cultural thing, I guess. Outside of some countries people are less likely to sue companies in hope of money) |
| 20:43.25 | Alexandru_Criste | but does it depends on the time zone? |
| 20:43.25 | rwatson | drCox: law is a lot like computer software, it has rules, some written down, and people who don't have enough background in it shouldn't get in the pool without supervision. |
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| 20:43.26 | codestasher | no Alexandru_Criste |
| 20:43.33 | Alexandru_Criste | thx |
| 20:43.35 | drCox | p_I: what do you do, if the system _is_ the failure |
| 20:43.36 | schumaml | Alexandru_Criste: 19:00 UTC is defined |
| 20:44.08 | drCox | rwatson: you are somewhat right, at least law was one of the things the bourgeoise could agree on to handle their intermediations. |
| 20:44.19 | p_l | drCox: Depends whether I've got firepower or not |
| 20:44.40 | drCox | p_I: good point. in that law, US is best. you can't actually beat them. |
| 20:44.49 | [Nikola-93] | ok, I see that there would be nothing about me and gsoc, so... are there some similar programs for "kids" under 18? |
| 20:44.58 | [Nikola-93] | not competitions but... only programs |
| 20:45.03 | schumaml | drCox: depends on "beat" ;) |
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| 20:45.15 | rwatson | drCox: law exists, so we have to deal with it. but it's not just the bourgeoise -- one of the interesting properties of english-derived legal systems is that civil suits were accessible to all levels of society. |
| 20:45.35 | p_l | drCox: PATRIOT Act for me marks a date where USA lost |
| 20:45.42 | rwatson | drCox: the social historians have a field day as a result, as everyone goes to courts/magistrates/etc to resolve their petty differences. :-) |
| 20:45.44 | drCox | rwatson: jsut FYI, society currently is burgeoise. |
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| 20:45.52 | schumaml | but can we please keep politics down? |
| 20:45.56 | rwatson | drCox: I'm talking about several hundred years ago. :-) |
| 20:46.19 | drCox | rwatson: well, how many hundred years? |
| 20:46.31 | drCox | schumaml: you're right, not the right chan. |
| 20:46.37 | freebsd-brooks | [Nikola-93]: there may be internship type programs available to you locally, but I don't know of any for open source |
| 20:47.06 | rwatson | drCox: dunno, my wife's colleagues seem to quite enjoy digging in law records for 200-400 years ago to great effect. |
| 20:47.29 | p_l | [Nikola-93]: ghop, also try to get involved in IT in general, having open source credentials helps a lot. Depending on your local laws you might even get a real job |
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| 20:47.58 | freebsd-brooks | [Nikola-93]: AFACT google hasn't figured out how to safely pay minors so it's mosly going to be contests or more local things where the laws are less complex |
| 20:48.42 | mdc_mobile | Has anyone figured out what the sort order of the student proposals is? It must be based on some non-displayed value. |
| 20:48.42 | drCox | rwatson: the roots of bourgeoise society were laid around that time, a pretty interesting period anyway |
| 20:48.59 | kblin | mdc_mobile: link_id, maybe? |
| 20:49.22 | rwatson | drCox: they take particular interest in divorce records, since people trot out amazing things in the evidence... :-) |
| 20:49.25 | [Nikola-93] | i don't need payment, I only want to have additional tasks to code on summer holidays :) |
| 20:49.41 | freebsd-brooks | mdc_mobile: your admins my have set the rank manually as well |
| 20:49.56 | freebsd-brooks | s/my/may |
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| 20:49.58 | p_l | [Nikola-93]: Then take some of the projects and ask whether you might get mentoring anyway |
| 20:50.09 | kblin | freebsd-brooks: sounds silly, before the deadline |
| 20:50.28 | mdc_mobile | kblin: Thanks, that's plausible. I might see if there is a ticket for columnar sorting. |
| 20:50.29 | p_l | [Nikola-93]: I generally recommend just finding something you want to work and start coding... |
| 20:50.36 | freebsd-brooks | kblin: I'm not saying it isn't silly :) |
| 20:50.48 | freebsd-brooks | agrees with p_l |
| 20:50.51 | drCox | eh folks, nice chan here but I need to leave. |
| 20:50.51 | p_l | [Nikola-93]: Sometimes just playing with obscure systems can pay |
| 20:50.53 | rwatson | [Nikola-93]: the ideas lists from projects will be of interest regardless of whether you participate in gsoc |
| 20:51.01 | kblin | mdc_mobile: it's also going to arrange by score once you start ranking |
| 20:51.17 | drCox | [Nikola-93]: keep up the good work and posting questions, like your style. |
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| 20:51.29 | kblin | sighs |
| 20:51.50 | mdc_mobile | kblin: thanks! I'll experiment with some initial ranking. |
| 20:51.51 | kblin | damn, so many good proposals, we don't have enough mentors :/ |
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| 20:51.55 | [Nikola-93] | LoL he liked my stile until he went out :P |
| 20:52.04 | [Nikola-93] | style* |
| 20:52.16 | mdc_mobile | kblin: quality above quantity :) |
| 20:52.41 | kblin | yeah, there's still more good proposals than we can mentor |
| 20:53.07 | kblin | of course we'll see how this looks after the conflict resolution |
| 20:53.29 | freebsd-rwatson | impressed with the quality of proposals submitted so far this year -- fewer, but much higher average quality |
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| 20:53.56 | kblin | hm... so-so, I'd say |
| 20:54.21 | Raim | will organizations get their slot count before the evaluation process is finished? |
| 20:54.22 | mdc_mobile | We have quite a few interesting proposals, but it's the IRC interviews where we generally get the best data. |
| 20:55.14 | kblin | Raim: well, last year we got a preliminary count |
| 20:55.44 | mdc_mobile | Reviewing code samples, and programming exercises help us to determine whether people will be able to accomplish what they propose. |
| 20:55.57 | freebsd-rwatson | Raim: at some point towards the end of the process, the number is pretty much nailed down and you play the "oh, I got (x) {more,fewer} than I wanted, did I order it as well as I thought I did?"\ |
| 20:56.05 | mdc_mobile | (and if they can communicate well) |
| 20:57.32 | Raim | kblin: yeah, that was helpful |
| 20:58.05 | kblin | I guess that'll be the same this year |
| 20:58.21 | smtms | freebsd-rwatson, can you disclose the number of applications FreeBSD's got atm? |
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| 20:59.03 | freebsd-rwatson | smtms: ask me again in 24 hours |
| 20:59.46 | smtms | freebsd-rwatson, in 24 hours you'll have final information... I'm asking for current numbers |
| 21:00.00 | SRabbelier | smtms: does it matter? |
| 21:00.08 | Erant | mdc_mobile: 'programming exercises'? Like what? |
| 21:00.14 | smtms | SRabbelier, it matters, if I ask |
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| 21:00.31 | SRabbelier | smtms: why does it? |
| 21:00.37 | Erant | "Swap these two variables without using a helper variable" type of exercises? |
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| 21:00.50 | SRabbelier | Erant: -_-" |
| 21:00.58 | Erant | w0t. |
| 21:00.58 | Erant | :P |
| 21:01.07 | Erant | It's the one I didn't know. And was pissed by. |
| 21:01.32 | kblin | Erant: XOR, but I doubt that's much faster |
| 21:01.44 | kblin | and using a helper var is more readable |
| 21:01.45 | mdc_mobile | Erant: LIke "here is a URL with the description and prototype of a function. Please write the function in C that implements the specified functionality. Feel free to ask any questions you may have." |
| 21:01.49 | kblin | and readable++ |
| 21:02.17 | Catfish_Man | kblin: actually I have some vague memory that on modern systems the xor trick can be slower |
| 21:02.17 | Erant | kblin: It's the thought experiment that counts. Modern procs have like 30 registers, so. |
| 21:02.18 | SRabbelier | we should all shun Erant anyway, as he's refusing to apply this year! |
| 21:02.20 | Catfish_Man | I forget why though |
| 21:02.26 | freebsd-rwatson | smtms: last I checked, it was in the 20-30 range, but that was a day or so ago. I'm supposed to run through them all this evening to see which ones would benefit from follow-up information from submitters and solicit it. but our experience is that things change a lot as the deadline approaches. we're not sure how many outstanding proposals there are waiting to be submitted, but know of a fair number. |
| 21:02.34 | Erant | SRabbelier: Ah yes. |
| 21:02.45 | kblin | Catfish_Man: I really don't care. |
| 21:02.51 | smtms | freebsd-rwatson, thanks |
| 21:02.53 | Catfish_Man | k |
| 21:03.00 | mdc_mobile | Erant: it's part of our interview process. We also ask for code samples and review the code, and ask questions, but a programming exercise tends to be much more useful for understanding how people work. |
| 21:03.03 | SRabbelier | kblin: awr, be nice to Catfish_Man |
| 21:03.04 | freebsd-rwatson | smtms: however, my impression from previous years was that number of student slots scale with project size, for some definition |
| 21:03.20 | Erant | mdc_mobile: Mjeh. Some people don't perform all that well under pressure. |
| 21:03.24 | freebsd-rwatson | smtms: so applying to a project with many existing proposals might not decrease chances of being selected |
| 21:03.35 | mdc_mobile | Erant: Then it's best we know that now :) |
| 21:03.48 | kblin | Catfish_Man: Kerninghan once said "Debugging is twice as hard as programming, so if you program something as cleverly as possible, you're by definition not smart enought to debug it" |
| 21:03.48 | Erant | True enough |
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| 21:03.51 | smtms | freebsd-rwatson, slots are proportional to number of students applied, are you saying something different? |
| 21:03.57 | kblin | Catfish_Man: sorry, didn't meant to be rude |
| 21:03.57 | Catfish_Man | kblin: yeah, I love that quote :) |
| 21:04.02 | Catfish_Man | although I heard 10 times not twice |
| 21:04.10 | freebsd-rwatson | smtms: ~proportional |
| 21:04.11 | kblin | well, same difference, I guess |
| 21:04.21 | locutus4 | has java built in XML parser or in JDK we only have interfaces and impl comes from 3rd party ? |
| 21:04.25 | Erant | kblin: I'm going to politely disagree with that. |
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| 21:04.41 | Catfish_Man | 's one reason optimizing compilers are nice to have. Do things the simplest way and that's usually what they're expecting :) |
| 21:04.46 | smtms | locutus4, it ships with third-party implementation |
| 21:04.57 | smtms | locutus4, so, it's built-in |
| 21:04.59 | mdc_mobile | Erant: The quality of the questions they ask is also taken into account. We need to find out their level of expertise, since it is vital they be _very_ comfortable in C and with pointers, structures, and x86 architecture. |
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| 21:05.29 | freebsd-rwatson | smtms: ... and your org, if any? |
| 21:05.31 | Erant | mdc_mobile: Ah. What project are you from? |
| 21:05.42 | kblin | anyway, off for now, bbl |
| 21:05.43 | mdc_mobile | Erant: http://etherboot.org/ |
| 21:05.44 | SRabbelier | hehe, now Erant's interested :p |
| 21:06.05 | mdc_mobile | bye kblin |
| 21:06.14 | Erant | mdc_mobile: Ah. Yeah. Not many specifics to the x86 arch though. |
| 21:06.36 | Erant | SRabbelier: C coding challenges ftw. |
| 21:06.56 | SRabbelier | Erant: no-one would want you anyway, no-one would be able to read the code you write :P |
| 21:06.58 | smtms | freebsd-rwatson, I'm a student that submitted proposals to NetBSD and DragonFly; DragonFly has 10 proposals atm |
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| 21:07.26 | mdc_mobile | Erant: bare-metal cold-boot memory allocation is a lovely thing :) |
| 21:07.40 | p_l | smtms: what did you apply for in netbsd? |
| 21:07.45 | freebsd-rwatson | smtms: this year we appear to have less proposal spam than previous years |
| 21:07.50 | smtms | p_l, L2TP implementation |
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| 21:08.07 | freebsd-rwatson | smtms: i.e., proposals consisting solely of copy-and-paste from the ideas list |
| 21:08.14 | freebsd-rwatson | (in fact, none as far as I can tell) |
| 21:08.20 | freebsd-rwatson | which is quite a change from previous years. |
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| 21:08.36 | smtms | p_l, you a student or a mentor? |
| 21:08.47 | p_l | smtms: student, writing my proposal for AoE driver |
| 21:08.55 | p_l | had been cut off from net for some time |
| 21:08.55 | monsieurp | p_l: hey :) |
| 21:09.04 | Erant | mdc_mobile: Heh. Guess knowledge of MMUs and TLBs and just general malloc shit comes in handy, true. |
| 21:09.07 | p_l | monsieurp: hey :) |
| 21:09.16 | monsieurp | p_l: what's up ? proposal submitted ? |
| 21:09.17 | Erant | mdc_mobile: Not a beginners project by any means ;) |
| 21:09.33 | Erant | SRabbelier: Pfrt. Lemme look up some of my code |
| 21:09.48 | SRabbelier | Erant: please don't :P |
| 21:09.49 | p_l | monsieurp: not yet, I'm codifying all the stuff I read in kernel source today into my proposal :-) |
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| 21:10.05 | freebsd-rwatson | p_l: hmm. there was an AoE driver for freebsd floating around, not sure what happened to it. |
| 21:10.08 | SRabbelier | Erant: someone is liable to die from reading it |
| 21:10.33 | Erant | SRabbelier: http://devkitpro.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/devkitpro/trunk/libogc/libdi/di.c?revision=3327&view=markup |
| 21:10.50 | mdc_mobile | Erant: Network booting is fun :) |
| 21:11.15 | SRabbelier | Erant: dic[1] = (ioctl_nr == DVD_RESET)? 1 : 0;// For reset callback. Dirty, I know... |
| 21:11.21 | SRabbelier | Erant: it even sez so in the code! |
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| 21:11.37 | p_l | monsieurp: I'm going to hook it up to atabus and find a good way to access network from that :-) (good meaning MPSAFE) |
| 21:11.41 | Erant | mdc_mobile: It's something I've come to rely on. Yours was actually a project I was thinking of joining. |
| 21:12.04 | Erant | SRabbelier: Damn. This is probably in the callback chain (callbacks calling callbacks) |
| 21:12.29 | Erant | SRabbelier: But please note all the alignment checking and mutexes and whatnot. |
| 21:12.38 | SRabbelier | Erant: yes, it's horrible |
| 21:12.44 | SRabbelier | Erant: it made my eyes water |
| 21:12.47 | mdc_mobile | Erant: you're always welcome on #etherboot :) |
| 21:12.54 | qubee | what is 'subscribe to updates button' in List my Student Proposals page? |
| 21:12.56 | p_l | now if I only had a way to make VMS boot from AoE... |
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| 21:13.12 | monsieurp | p_l: sounds interesting :)), what's are typical uses of AoE ? |
| 21:13.15 | Erant | mdc_mobile: freenode? |
| 21:13.43 | SRabbelier | qubee: read the userguide please |
| 21:13.44 | SRabbelier | !userguide |
| 21:13.45 | socinfo | "userguide" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
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| 21:14.06 | p_l | monsieurp: SAN using ethernet that doesn't eat all resources and has much lower cost :) |
| 21:14.20 | lh | glaksmono: ping, mail sent to you, please respond asap |
| 21:14.21 | Erant | SRabbelier: Yeah, the callback chain isn't something I'm particularly proud of. But it's the only way of reliably doing this. Init-ing the DVD subsystems relies on several actions being performed one after the other. And if you don't do it in a callback, you need icky multi-threading. |
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| 21:14.33 | mdc_mobile | Erant: yes, freenode |
| 21:14.40 | Erant | k |
| 21:14.46 | locutus4 | what kind of impl java ships ? |
| 21:14.48 | locutus4 | xerces ? |
| 21:14.48 | SRabbelier | Erant: use a state machine for doing things one-after-another? |
| 21:15.17 | Erant | SRabbelier: The callback chain IS a statemachine. I didn't want threading, 's the problem. |
| 21:15.25 | monsieurp | p_l: you apply only for the NetBSD Foundation ? any other ideas around ? |
| 21:15.27 | p_l | monsieurp: Coraid is selling SAN/NAS hardware that talks AoE (and optionally has other frontends, but I never looked into those. they talk AoE anyway) |
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| 21:16.03 | SRabbelier | Erant: k |
| 21:16.07 | Erant | SRabbelier: Don't try to apply your regular coding to such an icky platform ;) |
| 21:16.09 | p_l | monsieurp: Plan9 port of LLVM, maybe porting ECL to Plan9 (and adding dynamic loading at the same time) |
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| 21:16.15 | SRabbelier | Erant: I guess not :P |
| 21:16.28 | Erant | Most of this init-ing happens off the main PPC processor. |
| 21:16.43 | Erant | And runs on the ARM proc. Don't wanna be waiting around for the ARM to finish. |
| 21:16.59 | Erant | </Wii talk> |
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| 21:17.03 | [Nikola-93] | Bye to all :) |
| 21:17.04 | monsieurp | p_l: I would like to apply for a miniaturize project of NetBSD, I have the main idea, I need to write the proposal this night :P |
| 21:17.32 | monsieurp | I have to hurry my ass! |
| 21:17.40 | p_l | yup, me too |
| 21:17.52 | Erant | SRabbelier: Still, as far as embedded C coding goes, this isn't halfbad. I realize my earlier code has been... not so nice ;) |
| 21:17.53 | t0ms | monsieurp: you are not the only one :)) |
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| 21:18.26 | monsieurp | that's what I thought :DD |
| 21:18.31 | SRabbelier | Erant: s/not so nice/horrible/ |
| 21:18.40 | t0ms | I'm almost finishd with mine... |
| 21:19.09 | Erant | SRabbelier: The more you do it, the better you get. And this is readable code that's actually being maintained by someone other than me :P |
| 21:19.32 | hkpco | good bye guys. :-) |
| 21:19.32 | SRabbelier | Erant: ah, so you admit that it's someone else that made it less horrible |
| 21:19.55 | Erant | SRabbelier: No, the code almost hasn't changed. |
| 21:20.15 | Erant | http://devkitpro.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/devkitpro/trunk/libogc/libdi/di.c?view=log#rev3327 |
| 21:20.23 | SRabbelier | Erant: pfffrt, like anyone would believe that |
| 21:20.46 | Erant | svn doesn't lie. Not much anyway ;) |
| 21:21.16 | SRabbelier | Erant: pffsh, it's not even got hashes to protect it's history |
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| 21:21.48 | Erant | SRabbelier: Ok, I admit it. I haxed sourceforge's SVN to hide my dark sekrit :( |
| 21:22.03 | SRabbelier | Erant: see, proof positive |
| 21:22.13 | Erant | :P |
| 21:23.00 | freebsd-rwatson | p_l: indeed, the freebsd aoe driver was from coraid; looks like it's a bit dated though (freebsd 6.x), not sure if that's a useful starting point for a new aoe project (they also have solaris, etc, drivers, which also might or might not be better starting points) |
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| 21:23.30 | p_l | freebsd-rwatson: I'm starting from their docs. Which is around 12 pages :-) |
| 21:23.56 | p_l | possibly crosscheck with Plan9 driver, as it's guaranteed to be current |
| 21:24.24 | locutus4 | Java comes with xerces as XML parser impl or smth else ? |
| 21:24.30 | freebsd-rwatson | p_l: are there many target implementations around to do interop testing with? |
| 21:25.22 | p_l | freebsd-rwatson: there's *nix target available as well as plan9. I'm planning to write a BSD-licensed one too if time allows, as well as some of my own testing code |
| 21:25.31 | locutus4 | Java comes with xerces as XML parser impl or smth else ? (sorry if repeated, I had some connections problems) |
| 21:25.51 | p_l | however, protocol is so dead simple it would be hard to broke interop |
| 21:26.16 | freebsd-rwatson | p_l: heh -- if only that were true. people screw up dhcp, and it's also pretty simple. :-) |
| 21:26.40 | freebsd-rwatson | (and tftp, entertainingly, which is also pretty simple) |
| 21:26.53 | p_l | freebsd-rwatson: well, both target implementations come from protocol creators who also bet their farm on the protocol :D |
| 21:28.07 | ii_py | i know to robert watson |
| 21:28.57 | p_l | freebsd-rwatson: also, it appears the guys responsible for coding up initial implementations took rather good care of the code. |
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| 21:29.25 | freebsd-rwatson | p_l: the usual ietf standard is "two independent implementations", which might make yours the second if the existing two were done in close coordination with each other |
| 21:29.50 | p_l | still, Plan9 driver is probably one of the most current, as Plan9 runs internally in some of the bigger AoE boxes :) |
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| 21:30.36 | p_l | freebsd-rwatson: If I get enough time, I'm building a general network protocol testing utility |
| 21:30.59 | p_l | and use it to stresstest implementation |
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| 21:34.43 | harlan | what is the url for the delicious site? |
| 21:35.20 | SRabbelier | !orgsbycat |
| 21:35.20 | socinfo | "orgsbycat" is 2009 orgs list by category: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Categories (note: work in progress) |
| 21:35.27 | harlan | thanks... |
| 21:35.46 | SRabbelier | np |
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| 22:07.44 | vedlith | or by difficulty of getting into |
| 22:07.55 | paxcoder | "getting into"? |
| 22:08.03 | vedlith | being accepted |
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| 22:09.02 | paxcoder | don't you think that'd make it harder for you to get accepted? |
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| 22:09.20 | schumaml | that would skew the application process |
| 22:09.24 | harlan | If I'm not seeing anything at delicious re either p2p/peer or video on demand, is that a good indication that there are no orgs interested in those things? |
| 22:09.42 | paxcoder | harlan: GNU has p2p |
| 22:09.43 | andrecastelo | !extension |
| 22:09.43 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 22:09.52 | andrecastelo | !next |
| 22:09.52 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 22:10.21 | harlan | thanks paxcoder = I'll look. I have a student app for a project in this and I'm not sure the my group is the right mentoring organization. |
| 22:11.29 | paxcoder | harlan: wouldn't know about that stuff. i'm just browsing for work. |
| 22:11.44 | harlan | understood - thanks and good luck! |
| 22:11.53 | paxcoder | thx. u2 |
| 22:12.18 | harlan | what sort of work paxcoder ? |
| 22:12.18 | ecin | 20 hour countdown. |
| 22:12.52 | mmadia | is there a deadline for mentors to register? |
| 22:13.01 | ecin | Wouldn't make sense. |
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| 22:13.13 | schumaml | !timeline |
| 22:13.13 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 22:13.21 | paxcoder | harlan: coding. unspecified. but they'll prolly look at experience, so I'd say C/C++/web(PHP)/perhaps BASIC |
| 22:14.19 | paxcoder | "Support for the Lua scripting language", but i doubt they'd take someone who never did Lua. |
| 22:14.22 | harlan | NTP is written in C - I'm not sure what our project status is right now, but there are a lot of things on our page that could use C and network experience. |
| 22:14.23 | freebsd-brooks | mmadia: mentors should probably try to be registered asap so google can use that to help decide how many slots to allocate |
| 22:14.32 | schumaml | mmadia: there is "April 15: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor;" |
| 22:15.18 | paxcoder | harlan: no net experience yet unfortunately |
| 22:15.29 | mmadia | good points, thanks freebsd-brooks , schumaml. |
| 22:15.33 | paxcoder | (web standards vs tcp) |
| 22:15.40 | harlan | that may not be a big deal, if you are good with C. |
| 22:15.49 | paxcoder | link? |
| 22:15.59 | schumaml | interesting. now I start to wonder how "all student proposals matched with a mentor" will be interpreted by the orgs :) |
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| 22:16.29 | Ivanovic | schumaml: the orgs will manage it somehow... |
| 22:16.32 | harlan | paxcoder: http://socghop.appspot.com/org/show/google/gsoc2009/ntp |
| 22:16.47 | Ivanovic | that is: all proposals that are in the area where a slot would be available need a mentor or the slot is lost |
| 22:17.02 | harlan | The link to the project ideas is at the bottom |
| 22:17.06 | Ivanovic | *exactly* the same as last year |
| 22:17.11 | paxcoder | will look into, thx |
| 22:17.24 | schumaml | Ivanovic: I am pretty sure that this is how this is supposed to be read |
| 22:17.38 | schumaml | but well, think "lower ascii" |
| 22:18.34 | lh | schumaml: simple, let's say you would be allocated 4 slots. but only 3 proposals have a mentor assigned. you only get 3 slots. |
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| 22:18.55 | Ivanovic | time for me to head off to bed, n8 |
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| 22:19.09 | schumaml | lh: thanks |
| 22:19.17 | lh | schumaml: yw |
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| 22:22.55 | nopper | !faq |
| 22:22.55 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 22:26.56 | dennda | Am I the first to notice that melange's graphical editor is somewhat... unpredictable? (And doesn't save all changes you make style-wise?) |
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| 22:27.50 | Landon | dennda: I've had my fair share of problems with it :p |
| 22:27.53 | Landon | (using Opera) |
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| 22:40.46 | ojwb | hmm, a 4 line application which just refers to "this project" - what are the odds that 19 other projects have exactly the same one? |
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| 22:43.08 | Raim | ojwb: just mark it as spam or ineligible |
| 22:43.55 | ojwb | actually replied in the hope it might at least put him off doing the same next year |
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| 22:44.08 | ojwb | but yeah, that's not going to get you a GSoC place |
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| 22:44.45 | ojwb | has noticed that the really poor applications just never get updated |
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| 22:46.36 | VDVsx | ojwb, same here |
| 22:47.57 | ojwb | VDVsx: that they never get updated, or you got the same 4 liner? |
| 22:48.27 | VDVsx | ojwb, never get updated |
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| 22:51.37 | VDVsx | ojwb, And our mentors made good comments and suggestions on that app's, in order to improve them |
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| 22:55.12 | kblin | night folks |
| 22:55.17 | hdworak | bye :) |
| 22:55.41 | lh | sleep well kblin |
| 22:56.04 | kblin | lh: thanks |
| 22:56.17 | summatusmentis | hi all |
| 22:56.22 | getxsick | hmm looks like this year is very calmy |
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| 22:56.51 | summatusmentis | so far |
| 22:57.05 | kblin | lh: looks like it'll be really hard to pick students this time, the "end of application time" rush brought some more good proposals |
| 22:57.31 | ajuonline | has caught cold |
| 22:57.33 | kblin | is looking forward to see what else turns up by tomorrow :) |
| 22:57.35 | lh | kblin: i am not surprised. :) |
| 22:57.52 | ojwb | lh: any idea of current number of applications? |
| 22:57.56 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: me too, it sucks |
| 22:57.59 | ojwb | or is that a secret? |
| 22:58.19 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: i am not done yet :/ i should sleep now. |
| 22:58.23 | Corsix | somewhere between many and very many? |
| 22:58.35 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: you should write now, sleep later |
| 22:58.36 | kblin | ojwb: she could tell you, but then she'd have to send one of the google ninja squads after you |
| 22:58.42 | kblin | er.. |
| 22:58.44 | kblin | forget I ever said that |
| 22:58.47 | ojwb | mmm ... ninjas |
| 22:58.57 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: unbearable now :/ |
| 22:59.03 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: fair enough |
| 22:59.17 | lh | ojwb: about 3500 more than 2 years ago |
| 22:59.26 | ajuonline | prays for an extension |
| 22:59.38 | kblin | ajuonline: you wish |
| 22:59.38 | ajuonline | :P |
| 22:59.40 | kblin | !extension |
| 22:59.41 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 23:00.09 | lh | what the hell did i just say |
| 23:00.13 | lh | stops using irc while talking |
| 23:00.18 | ojwb | lh: wow, that's loads |
| 23:00.24 | ojwb | ah, a typo |
| 23:00.25 | ojwb | ? |
| 23:00.27 | lh | 3500 was the count more than 2 hours ago |
| 23:00.29 | lh | sheesh |
| 23:00.31 | lh | sorry |
| 23:00.34 | ojwb | ok! |
| 23:00.35 | ajuonline | =)) |
| 23:00.42 | ajuonline | lat year 7125 |
| 23:00.42 | lh | ajuonline: sorry you are not well my friend |
| 23:00.44 | ajuonline | last* |
| 23:00.59 | ajuonline | the landslide is _yet_ to happen |
| 23:01.09 | kblin | yeah, but the overall quality is way up anyway |
| 23:01.10 | ojwb | eep |
| 23:01.27 | summatusmentis | goes to make tea |
| 23:01.33 | ojwb | it is - most of these recent ones are clearly late in because they've been worked on for a while |
| 23:01.35 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: i think i will try that as well |
| 23:01.50 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: dude, man. It's the way of the future |
| 23:01.52 | kblin | anyway |
| 23:01.55 | summatusmentis | </hippie> |
| 23:01.57 | ojwb | GO TO BED! |
| 23:02.05 | mdc | :) |
| 23:02.07 | lh | yay tea |
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| 23:02.24 | lh | i think we're going to see a landslide in the next 20 hours honestly, but we shall see |
| 23:02.26 | summatusmentis | lh: yay tea is right :) |
| 23:02.28 | rwcr | lh: Any word on the number of applicants? :-) (I asked yesterday but I think you were busy, and if it's classified info I understand) |
| 23:02.34 | Corsix | of course, with all these applications, students will be going "I hope I'm one of the lucky accepted ones" |
| 23:02.40 | Corsix | and by students, I mean me |
| 23:02.49 | ojwb | rwcr: she just said: 3500 apps more than 2 hours ago |
| 23:03.08 | rwcr | ojwb: Yeah, I was curious about the number of applicants, since some students submit multiple apps. |
| 23:03.15 | ojwb | oic |
| 23:03.37 | lh | rwcr: 5047 registered students, of these 2275 have submitted at least one proposal |
| 23:03.43 | lh | as i said these #s are stale |
| 23:03.44 | lh | a bit |
| 23:03.48 | rwcr | Cool, thanks. |
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| 23:04.01 | ojwb | so it seems that the apps/student may be down |
| 23:04.04 | lh | what i dont get is why we have 5K students and 1/2 that number of proposals, but there you go |
| 23:04.33 | ojwb | lh: do you know how many registered but didn't submit in the past? |
| 23:04.36 | lh | ojwb: yes, but i am universally hearing that apps are way better this year. haven't heard that they are poorer from a single org, and only two have said "about the same" |
| 23:04.40 | summatusmentis | people who wanted to play with melange? |
| 23:04.48 | lh | ojwb: never counted that actually, no. |
| 23:04.53 | rwcr | Maybe people signed up and decided not to participate because of stricter requirements from orgs (patches, etc). |
| 23:04.57 | lh | summatusmentis: maybe? seems strange, but fair enough. |
| 23:05.04 | lh | rwcr: sounds plausible. |
| 23:05.18 | ritz | hi, is there a word limit to the application |
| 23:05.34 | summatusmentis | lh: I didn't say it made sense (although, if all it takes to play w/ new technology is an account, I could see a lot of csci kids doing it) |
| 23:05.38 | rwcr | ritz: None to the application, but your abstract is limited to 500 chars (unless you submitted early on). |
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| 23:05.45 | lh | summatusmentis: fair enough |
| 23:05.53 | ritz | thanx rwcr |
| 23:05.58 | summatusmentis | meh, suppose we'll see |
| 23:06.00 | rwcr | But be gentle to your mentors. :-) Last year's 7500-char limit is a good guideline. |
| 23:06.04 | ojwb | lh: yeah, I was wondering if the two were connected - it's hard to write a lot of good proposals |
| 23:06.10 | summatusmentis | lh: there's not any way to make the numbers anonymous and public is there? |
| 23:06.55 | vinc456 | !logs |
| 23:06.56 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 23:07.09 | ritz | i have already posted my application on their wiki, so i think i can trim down here, i suppose ther won't be any issues with the evaluation |
| 23:07.31 | ritz | since they already have all the info |
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| 23:07.32 | lh | ojwb: exactly |
| 23:07.41 | lh | summatusmentis: what are you asking for jake? that didn't parse for me |
| 23:07.47 | anirudh | !next |
| 23:07.47 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 23:07.59 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: i just realised, i have been missing on my medicines, since the last 2 days!! |
| 23:08.07 | summatusmentis | lh: sorry. The total number of accounts vs applications vs students |
| 23:08.32 | summatusmentis | lh: can those numbers be made anonymous and public so you don't have to keep checking when people ask? |
| 23:08.39 | mdc | It's been an interesting day :) |
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| 23:08.41 | lh | summatusmentis: no there's no way to do that sorry |
| 23:08.42 | anirudh | How much more time according to Indian Time to submit the applications ? |
| 23:08.50 | lh | summatusmentis: awesome feature request tho. :) |
| 23:08.54 | freebsd-rwatson | summatusmentis: ... or wait 48 hours and then the numbers will all be fixed. |
| 23:08.59 | summatusmentis | lh: ok, that's kind of what I assumed, but thought I'd check |
| 23:09.05 | vsh426 | see countdown at http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj |
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| 23:09.38 | mdc | I think the realization that the deadline will not be extended has hit, and I've found myself in frantic privmsg IRC conversations with people who have waited until the last moment. |
| 23:09.47 | summatusmentis | freebsd-rwatson: but waiting 48 hours for the fixed numbers doesn't give anyone something to grasp onto in their time of needing as much info as possible about the app process, even if it doesn't affect the accepted outcome |
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| 23:10.08 | summatusmentis | freebsd-rwatson: that is, I'm anxxious and excited, and more information is better :) |
| 23:10.18 | ajuonline | mdc: altho I am not applying to etherboot, can I still fire pm to yoyu asnd ask silly questions? :P |
| 23:10.30 | summatusmentis | lh: hrr, oh right. Melange, OSS, got it |
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| 23:10.38 | mdc | ajuonline: thanks for your support! :) |
| 23:10.57 | lh | summatusmentis: yes. :) |
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| 23:11.16 | summatusmentis | mdc: I've never understood the 'wait as long as possible' mentality |
| 23:11.31 | lh | all you folks who spend all this time being nervous as a method of procrastinating never cease to amuse me. when i need to procrastinate, i read an awesome novel. |
| 23:12.32 | tilmann | !next |
| 23:12.32 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 23:12.34 | summatusmentis | lh: see, it's all about self-delusion. If you are nervous to procrastinate, you can blame it on nervousness. If you choose to do something else, it feels a lot more like procrastination, and you can't lie to yourself about it |
| 23:13.00 | mdc | summatusmentis: I understand the mentality but I explain that waiting until the last moment almost always limits the number of possible positive outcomes in a process :) |
| 23:13.21 | Corsix | perhaps people like running the risk? |
| 23:13.22 | summatusmentis | granted :) |
| 23:13.24 | lh | summatusmentis: ok that makes sense. sorta. |
| 23:14.08 | gpolo | extension ? no ? good :) |
| 23:14.15 | summatusmentis | lh: like, if I choose to go read a book, I'm making a conscious choice to not do homework for classes that I'm paying for. If I'm 'anxious' and obsessing, it's biological, and therefore, not my fault :-D |
| 23:14.29 | glaksmono | hi everyone! :D |
| 23:14.41 | lh | summatusmentis: my goodness. |
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| 23:14.50 | lh | gpolo: no. extension. ever. kthxbai. |
| 23:14.59 | lh | glaksmono: hi grady |
| 23:15.01 | summatusmentis | lh: heh |
| 23:15.03 | gpolo | lh: :) |
| 23:15.06 | glaksmono | lh: hi Leslie :) |
| 23:15.26 | glaksmono | google got tons of april fools stuff lol.. i just knew that!! |
| 23:15.38 | glaksmono | lol, i think it's funny 2008 GSoC license |
| 23:16.20 | ajuonline | did i hear lolspeak |
| 23:16.30 | gpolo | lolcat |
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| 23:16.50 | glaksmono | lol |
| 23:16.50 | Corsix | I can haz stdio.h ? |
| 23:16.52 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: wut? I haz mai app dun |
| 23:16.59 | ajuonline | high fives punchagan |
| 23:17.06 | punchagan | hi ajuonline |
| 23:17.12 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: i can haz sugar? |
| 23:17.17 | glaksmono | so what are you guys up to with the proposal? |
| 23:17.19 | punchagan | !next |
| 23:17.19 | glaksmono | everything are set? |
| 23:17.19 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 23:17.23 | ajuonline | i cant find where i kept sugar |
| 23:17.50 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: the US would probably get mad at me if I tried to send white powder to india |
| 23:18.26 | ajuonline | lol |
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| 23:18.52 | glaksmono | yay |
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| 23:19.59 | mdc | So when students say "I just found out about the GSoC deadline 24 hours ago, please help me! will you read my proposal before I submit it!" I calmly explain to them that the application process is part of the evaluation process. |
| 23:20.30 | mdc | If they're flailing now, how much more will they be flailing when they're deep in debugging and need to focus. |
| 23:21.05 | lh | if someone gets a gsoc related lolcat up on icanhazcheeseburger i will officially high five you and let you choose any one you like from my collection of awesome open source tshirts |
| 23:21.08 | lh | srsly |
| 23:21.26 | ajuonline | :O |
| 23:21.27 | mdc | hee hee |
| 23:21.39 | summatusmentis | goes to find a good one |
| 23:21.42 | ajuonline | tell me about it after deadline |
| 23:21.43 | lh | cmon, y'all wanted to procrastinate. what better way to procrastinate. :) |
| 23:21.56 | ritz | hey, does it look appropriate to include links in the application or we just put them in the additional info space? |
| 23:22.14 | mdc | Yeah, hell, there are what, 19 more hours? |
| 23:22.21 | ojwb | goes to find a cat to photograph |
| 23:22.22 | ajuonline | O: |
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| 23:22.30 | summatusmentis | ritz: I put links in the last paragraph of mine |
| 23:22.36 | lh | ritz: you can do either. |
| 23:22.38 | vedlith | 19 hours, plenty of time |
| 23:22.40 | mdc | Real procrastinators aren't even starting their proposals yet! |
| 23:22.46 | ritz | okie dokie boss |
| 23:22.47 | vedlith | to write 2-3 applications :D |
| 23:22.52 | ajuonline | mdc: shhhhhhh!! |
| 23:22.53 | mdc | Wimps would start them now! |
| 23:23.13 | ajuonline | has started long back its on paper though |
| 23:23.30 | vedlith | pro's will start after a sleep |
| 23:23.34 | Corsix | Real procrastinators would smash their keyboards up right now to make things harder |
| 23:23.53 | lh | ellenko suggests "flip bitz not cheezeburgerz" |
| 23:23.58 | dmb | no extensions this year right? |
| 23:24.03 | ajuonline | !extension |
| 23:24.03 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 23:24.06 | lh | and is too shy to say so herself so i am going to mock her slightly now |
| 23:24.09 | lh | mocks slightly |
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| 23:24.11 | dmb | ok good :P |
| 23:24.16 | lh | hugs ellenko |
| 23:24.23 | ajuonline | say hello to EllenKo |
| 23:24.27 | lh | ajuonline: will do. |
| 23:25.09 | ajuonline | ok i took the medicines, and now need to find where I put all the sugar last night |
| 23:25.17 | gpolo | is that cool boot still here ? |
| 23:25.19 | gpolo | s/boot/bot/ |
| 23:25.22 | gpolo | yes :) |
| 23:25.32 | dmb | lh, which campus are you in, NY or CA? |
| 23:25.54 | lh | dmb: i am located in the lovely federal republic of northern california |
| 23:26.04 | dmb | ah |
| 23:26.19 | dmb | was going to ask if you knew someone, but I only know people in the NY campus |
| 23:26.21 | summatusmentis | lh: for this challenge, what're the rules on owning the cat/picture? |
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| 23:26.29 | lh | dmb: eh try me |
| 23:26.46 | lh | summatusmentis: don't get sued. the end. be nice to the cat involved. |
| 23:26.56 | lh | </rules> |
| 23:27.15 | summatusmentis | lh: it's the internet, how many people get sued for stealing images? :-P |
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| 23:27.35 | lh | summatusmentis: you asked for rules. i made some up. |
| 23:28.46 | summatusmentis | lh: :-D |
| 23:29.26 | rwcr | I have a caption idea, but it'll have to wait until my cat wanders in here to take the picture. |
| 23:31.06 | Sairus101 | Ah. the "be nice to the cat involved" rule makes this conversation make a lot more sense now. |
| 23:33.17 | lh | Sairus101: that was just awesome. |
| 23:33.46 | harlan | lh: I wanted a research scientist at NIST to sign up as a mentor with us as he is a perfect fit for one of my projects. He said he could not, as he could not accept the terms of agreement. I asked him for specifics, and have not heard back yet. |
| 23:34.03 | harlan | Just wanted to give you a heads-up on that. |
| 23:34.13 | lh | if this has to do with assignment of IP, let me know. we've worked around this before. |
| 23:34.17 | lh | harlan: thanks for the heads up |
| 23:34.22 | harlan | will do - thanks/ |
| 23:35.03 | ajuonline | the box of sugar was right in front of me. and i was looking everywhere |
| 23:35.09 | ajuonline | tea is bliss* |
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| 23:36.48 | summatusmentis | \o/ lolcat submitted, we'll see? |
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| 23:37.17 | summatusmentis | how does icanhascheezburger work? |
| 23:37.30 | ajuonline | where did you submit it? |
| 23:37.36 | Sairus101 | They check every submition as far as I know. |
| 23:37.46 | summatusmentis | is it then upvoted? |
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| 23:38.45 | Sairus101 | No, they're purely on a linear track. Once the admins decide it's worthy of the site it'll be added to the top. |
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| 23:39.32 | Sairus101 | I think you can add favourites to them now or somesuch, and I assume that means you can sort them by preference... but I don'y know anything about all that fancy stuff. |
| 23:39.35 | summatusmentis | so we'll see? |
| 23:39.42 | rwcr | summatusmentis: Can you give us a link to see it? |
| 23:39.54 | summatusmentis | http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=3838609 |
| 23:40.23 | summatusmentis | I don't make any claims that it's good |
| 23:40.26 | Sairus101 | XD |
| 23:40.27 | lh | summatusmentis: awesome. |
| 23:40.30 | lh | hey i liked it |
| 23:40.31 | summatusmentis | nor that I own the cat or the computer |
| 23:41.23 | ajuonline | lol |
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| 23:42.50 | p_l | summatusmentis: AWSUM |
| 23:43.09 | summatusmentis | thx |
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| 23:43.59 | p_l | now, someone should post their proposal in LOLspeak mixed with LOLCODE... while keeping the content completely sensible |
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| 23:47.45 | summatusmentis | speaking of things written in LOLspeak.. http://www.universityregister.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=440&Itemid=36 |
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| 23:48.44 | jaguarandi | summatusmentis, nice cat ;) |
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| 23:49.02 | summatusmentis | thank you :) |
| 23:49.03 | jaguarandi | looks me last year xD |
| 23:49.23 | summatusmentis | I had an HD crash during GSoC last year :( |
| 23:49.24 | jaguarandi | this year I had my proposal 1 week before the deadline :D |
| 23:49.36 | jaguarandi | :O |
| 23:49.55 | jaguarandi | you still sucessfully applied? |
| 23:50.18 | summatusmentis | yeah, this was during the coding period |
| 23:50.23 | zounds_ | I go for sleep |
| 23:50.26 | Sairus101 | I just found out about this thing an hour ago and am desperately trying to figure out what the Hell is going on. Fun times for all. |
| 23:50.32 | zounds_ | hmm, wrong window |
| 23:50.39 | zounds_ | well, if anyone cares, now you know |
| 23:50.47 | Sairus101 | We did, zounds, we did |
| 23:50.58 | zounds_ | (the dangers of focus-follow-mouse) |
| 23:51.01 | jaguarandi | gnight zounds_ |
| 23:51.17 | jaguarandi | nice it wasnt your password :p |
| 23:51.59 | zounds_ | indeed, though by itself typing a password into a public channel wouldn't be so bad |
| 23:52.03 | p_l | still haven't send anything, now going for coffee... |
| 23:52.09 | p_l | zounds_: you sure? :D |
| 23:52.14 | zounds_ | now if you told them what it was and what it was for that'd be a problem |
| 23:52.22 | jaguarandi | summatusmentis, thats what svn/cvs/git/[name your favorite cv here] is for ;) |
| 23:52.24 | Sairus101 | still hasn't come up with a proposal~ XD |
| 23:52.45 | p_l | zounds_: best is when someone forgots the slash at the beginning of /msg NickServ identify ... |
| 23:52.46 | jaguarandi | i once lost some work.. by doing a svn revert -R on the wrong folder :p |
| 23:52.53 | zounds_ | p_l: hehe |
| 23:52.57 | summatusmentis | jaguarandi: I was running git, inside the VM on the HD that died :( |
| 23:53.01 | ojwb | Sairus101: well, it usually takes more than an hour... |
| 23:53.11 | zounds_ | is there a !command for the link that indicate how much time is left? |
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| 23:53.17 | jaguarandi | !next |
| 23:53.18 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 23:53.18 | ojwb | !next |
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| 23:53.19 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 23:53.19 | Sairus101 | ojwb: I'm starting to get that impression |
| 23:53.39 | zounds_ | nah, there was a countdown clock someone set up somewhere |
| 23:53.48 | ojwb | Sairus101: these two links may help you find an idea that interests toy: |
| 23:54.01 | jaguarandi | !clock |
| 23:54.01 | ojwb | zounds_: yes "countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj" |
| 23:54.01 | socinfo | Error: "clock" is not a valid command. |
| 23:54.08 | zounds_ | although, now that I'm once again sure it's 19:00 UTC I can work it out myself |
| 23:54.13 | ojwb | !orgbylang |
| 23:54.13 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 23:54.15 | ojwb | !orgbylang |
| 23:54.15 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 23:54.18 | ojwb | !orgbycat |
| 23:54.18 | socinfo | "orgbycat" is 2009 orgs list by category: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Categories (note: work in progress) |
| 23:54.19 | ojwb | (oops) |
| 23:54.34 | Sairus101 | Thanks man |
| 23:55.09 | zounds_ | right, so I just have to get my application finished between now and the doors opening to the games convention I'm running this weekend and it'll all be good >.< |
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| 23:58.13 | monsieurp | !next |
| 23:58.14 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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